Child Commits Suicide While In School `Seclusion`

Submitted by: mylostdog 8 years ago

Seclusion Room in the boy"s north Georgia special education school was something akin to a prison cell.
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Male 189
I would press charges on pandaXtreme
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Female 101
did anyone see those scratch marks on the wall of the eclusion room ....hrmmmm
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Female 101
i would press charges on the school
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Female 153
That just breaks my heart to see such a sweet face go through so much trouble. It`s hard to grow up and even more so for kids woth emotional problems. Whatever protocols that were set were either a. insufficient or b. not followed. Whoever put him in there that way was complacent about the extent of his problems or how far he`ll go. Heartbreaking for the parents... I wonder if this will shake anything up
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Male 118
sue the drating school, obviously.
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Male 123
Don`t worry jimbob. It is.

And thanks for the link, expl0it!

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Male 639
"You`re an idiot, you are just feeding the flame."

Does anyone else find this hypocritical?

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Male 600
*shakes head*

Nothing really to say about this... just... *sigh*

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Male 2,313
"I`m sorry but I cannot disagree with this enough. How can you defend yourself with a gun?"

You seem to be misunderstanding a very obvious function of a gun.

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Female 1,401
EVIL EVIL EVIL! if it`s a special education school you NEVER EVER leave a boy in a "seclusion room" that`s WRONG! poor boy. i`d sue the school if that was my son.
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Male 650
"Typical, I make a few negative comments about America and it`s now USA vs UK, as if it`s some sort battle. That attitude is seriously redundant."

You`re an idiot, you are just feeding the flame.

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Male 772
With the seclusion room, did anyone else get the image from Matilda?
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Female 475
sounds like a typical schooling situation to me when he said "all he said was idk i wasnt there" thats about all the information i ever got out of anyone when i was still in school. fkin idiots. O.o
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Male 639
"drat usa vs uk thats redundant. same as the gun debate"

Typical, I make a few negative comments about America and it`s now USA vs UK, as if it`s some sort battle. That attitude is seriously redundant.

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Male 24
this probably sounds sadistic, but i sort of look forward to society caving in so we can start over and people can stop being so evil.
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Male 254
all of you are jackasses.

A) drat usa vs uk thats redundant. same as the gun debate

B) Stop only blaming the school, everyones at fault. The parents should have listened to their kid, the school shouldnt have used that kind of punnishment and the kid shouldnt have killed himself.

BUT NONE OF THAT MATTERS. a child is dead. its not a time for blame, its time to make sure poo like this doesnt happen again. PERIOD.

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Male 8
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Male 778
screwzlooose
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
42 Posts Monday, December 22, 2008 6:21:20 AM
wow. just wow.
i think our so called "civilization" is very close to collapse.

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Lol... no... Civilization has been so much worse than it is now before.. you have nooo idea.

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Male 2,553
thats awful.
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Male 384
wow. just wow.
i think our so called "civilization" is very close to collapse.
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Female 2,509
My heart is just breaking.
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Male 123
sniugnep:
Classic. Do you have a source for that? An address would be nice.
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Female 330
from cnn:
A few weeks before 13-year-old Jonathan King killed himself, he told his parents that his teachers had put him in "time-out." ... But time-out in the boy`s north Georgia special education school was spent in something akin to a prison cell -- a concrete room latched from the outside, its tiny window obscured by a piece of paper. Called a seclusion room, it`s where in November 2004, Jonathan hanged himself with a cord a teacher gave him to hold up his pants.
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Male 639
"This happens because the Criminals knew that victims were incapable of defending themselves."

I`m sorry but I cannot disagree with this enough. How can you defend yourself with a gun? It just becomes a kill or be killed situation. That`s not self defence, that`s full blown violence.

"If our leaders were to ever to truly fly off the handle the American people are armed and capable of stopping it."

Again, this is the same sort of view that I believe makes a mockery of the American nation. Any respectable nation shouldn`t be in fear of it`s government. And anyway, how will a owning a gun protect the American people from it`s government? Sounds to me like it`s just the making of some seriously dangerous riots.

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Female 25
controllable situation. It hurts me to think the child was hurting that much on the inside and the adults didn`t care. I love my students as if they were my own and it sickens me to think that, that teacher didn`t love theirs the same.
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Female 25
I work with ED(emotionally disturbed) children. Judging by a news story on Cnn.com the child had a history of suicidal behavior. I`m going to assume that the child, was in fact ED. If there was a seclusion room the child probably was in a program for his emotional issues. This being said,the situation was grossly mishandled. The teacher(a sub)should`ve taken away the cord. There should have been close monitoring of the child. I wonder if they used calm down techniques while the child was upset. It child shouldn`t reach that level of distraught, ever. The adults should`ve been trained properly to handle such situations. In our program we have 14 kids & 5 adults that are well trained. In our school district we don`t use s. rooms ,but "non-violent restraints" only if the child is an immediate threat to themselves or others.They don`t hurt the child and are used as a last resort. We are taught how to "Talk them down" and NEVER allow a situation to escalate beyond a
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Female 635
stopped watching. Just can`t finish it.

Lets people know what those with authority do with it, huh? I was basically locked in a hospital wing `for my safety` because I was upset when my father died, my mother didn`t speak up because `they had the right`, when they didn`t, and oddly enough, that was the only time in my life I ever considered suicide. People think their helping, but half the time their hurthing.

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Male 1,686
I want to punch my computer.
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Male 181
About 10 years ago when my younger brother was in Kindergarten we found out that the Teacher had put him outside in the snow by himself, without his coat, as a form of "punishment" for upwards of 15 minutes at a time. She said it was because he would act up and distract the rest of the class.

Well my family has lived in the area since what seems to be the Dawn of Time. With that comes the fact we are long time friends with the school Administration, the Teacher found herself out of her job and in the cold rather quickly!

So to see a school putting children in what is nothing less then Solitary Confinement doesn`t surprise me. It just is very sad to see the child hung himself.

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Female 1,963
This is just awful.
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Female 761
That`s so sad...I can`t even nor do I want to finish watching this.
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Female 458
A seclusion room would need to be padded if it were an issue regarding everyone`s safety. That was not a padded room and it /was/ strangely prison-like.

And, how old was that kid? Why would he commit suicide in that room? How long was he supposed to have been in there?

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Female 154
...Wait...so...they sent him to the room because he wasn`t wearing a belt or didn`t want to...? I`m guessing that`s why they gave him the rope in the first place...Ugh..people...That school -should- be sued for all that it`s worth. No innocent child should ever have to deal with something like a `seclusion room`. :|
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Female 58
If it weren`t for the fact that it would take education away from the rest of the kids in the school, I`d sue them for all they`re worth. Leaving a kid in a room alone with a rope? WTF?
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Female 340
I don`t care what the reasoning by the school is... Locking a kid in a prison-style cell for ANY length of time will traumatize him or her! That is mental and emotional abuse!
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Female 917
That`s horrible.

The seclusion room I think I have an answer to. If it was a special ed school, then the kids who are special ed are very run off of emotions. If they get mad, they throw absolute temper tantrums.

Our school has a special ed program, and last Friday, there had been one girl who is special ed and she threw a screaming tantrum in the hallways, throwing herself on the ground and kicking and punching at the teachers.

So the seclusion room might be for those type of situations- where the student is being violent and they put them in the seclusion room so they can`t hurt anyone.

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Female 27
BECOME AN HERO
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Male 17
"Bar hunting, why should somebody need a gun?"

Sadly due to that fact that they exist.

Outlawing Guns only takes them from the hands from lawful citizens. There have been multiple cases in recent history where a society has disarmed its populous only to see its violent crime rate climb. This happens because the Criminals knew that victims were incapable of defending themselves. Guns in the American tradition are also the peoples last resort to keeping the gov`t in check. If our leaders were to ever to truly fly off the handle the American people are armed and capable of stopping it.

"Your country also seems to allow for a lot of extremities (fundamental religious believers, everything has to be the biggest, ridiculously harsh drug laws"

I agree on our Drug laws being Draconian but those are swift on the change.

Of course everything has to be the biggest here. We`re American g`d Dammit.

And yeah, Freedom of religion was never the Brit`s strong suit

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Female 354
@duffytoler
so your telling me that you would give special ed and violent kids a long rope?
does that make sense?
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Female 30
this is sad. stupid teachers are gonna send some special ed kid to a room BY HIMSELF with a ROPE. WOW. THEY SURE SHOWED HIM. now he will start tying his pants with ropes. mmhmm. yep. >__<
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Female 354
This is a very sad story. I would like to know what the child did that was so unruly for him to be sent to the seclusion room. If he was causing too much trouble, why not a trip to the principles office? the whole thing might have been avoided
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Male 639
"Legal firearms are only the case to break from the tyranny of King George III."

Fair enough, but the English used to carry out practices that are now considered ridiculous (take witch killing for example). I`m not dismissing the historical reason for the public availability of guns, I`m simply dismissing the justification for the continued selling of firearms. Bar hunting, why should somebody need a gun?

But anyway this was never meant to be an attack on the American people. I was simply trying to share what I believe to be the reasons for people`s anger towards American values.

But you must agree, you do have a lot of religious loons, lol.

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Female 84
seclusion room!? wtf. isnt that something like a padded cell in an asylum!? yeah thatll totally show the kid whos boss. shoving them in a room with no shoes on. drating education system.
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Male 516
>>>Agreed. Special ed + seclusion room indicates >>>there`s more to the story. He could have been >>>violent and psychotic, and the school may have >>>been dealing with the situation as best it could.

Well, I`m an educator in NYC and I disagree. Most children who are placed in `seclusion rooms` and other such things are only placed there because the teachers/administrators are lazy and have no initiative to educate anyone who slightly deviates from the norm. `Seclusion rooms` are just excuses for people to be bad educators. It`s a shame, really.

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Male 5,194
>>one side of a story
>>schools don`t shove children into seclusion rooms without undue reasons

Agreed. Special ed + seclusion room indicates there`s more to the story. He could have been violent and psychotic, and the school may have been dealing with the situation as best it could.

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Male 2,313
How the f*ck did this get turned into a U.S. vs Europe debate? Have some respect people.
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Female 2,220
God it`s rare i tear up at a video like this.
That`s horribly sad.
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Male 7,933
"I think you read an exaggerated version of the history of the American revolution. I mean come on, tyranny? You were paying 1/20th of the tax the English were forking out."

And getting none of their rights

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Male 128
"Seclusion room"? Did you see that door in the picture of the rope? Looked more like a prison cell to me.
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Male 213
his name is don king lol .. .. seriously though that sucks.
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Male 734
I don`t know, I think ElDavo has a valid point. What we have here is one side of a story from someone with obvious bias. I think the broken English point is quite the ad hominem (albeit true), but the father either doesn`t have or isn`t giving all of the facts. Your average kid doesn`t go an hang himself for no reason whatsoever. The average kid doesn`t need to be given a rope because his parents won`t buy him pants that fit. And schools don`t shove children into seclusion rooms without undue reasons. There are a lot of unanswered questions from many angles, and I think that this story doesn`t really give the information needed to make any sort of real conclusion (neither does the article).
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Male 60
he hung himself because he got in trouble?
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Female 2,064
Seclusion room? Wtf?
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Female 174
the worst part is hearing the boy`s mother in the background.. just awful. I hope the school administration burn in hell
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Female 15,763
Why wasn`t someone watching him...? I mean why leave a child alone in the first place? He`s under the school`s custody. Most schools I know of don`t let kids alone ever because of that liability issue.
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Female 125
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Male 2,076
so horrible, that if I were in the dads place, I`d go through as much work as possible to ind who is responsible and press criminal charges to them and the school...
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Male 2,076
eldavo = iab douche of the day folks!

in other news, this is horribly depressing.

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Male 208
ElDavo, if your kid had just killed himself, and should have been and could have been stopped, im sure you wouldnt be able to talk perfectly either
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Male 1,404
The schools administration is lucky the father is level headed enough to sue rather than seek vengeance.
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Male 14
Hey ElDavo, next time you talk about someone having broken English, make sure you spell "garbage" correctly...his kid died you insensitive douchebag. This is the United States, the news doesn`t give you the facts...get used to it.
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Female 237
ElDavo- His english was fine, what are you talking about? Have you never heard a regional accent before? And his kid DIED, good reason to be a little upset with the school I think. Plus he never said it was entirely the schools fault. Why are you so angry about this post, anyway?
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Female 237
That`s really messed up. Poor kid. So many things wrong with that entire scenario.
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Male 1,556
That`s pretty poopy.
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Male 2
"I think you read an exaggerated version of the history of the American revolution. I mean come on, tyranny? You were paying 1/20th of the tax the English were forking out."

If you really don`t think that King George was a tyrant check the Declaration of Independence. It contains an entire list of the injustices he committed. Taxation was only a small part of the reason for revolution.

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Male 907
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Male 596
It is not the job of a father to bury his son, it is the child`s job to bury his father when the time is right.
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Male 9,306
Guys, this isn`t about the 2nd amendment. Go argue that elsewhere. A kid has died. Please show an ounce of respect.
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Male 868
We had a seclusion room at my old school.
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Male 516
"Legal firearms are only the case to break from the tyranny of King George III."


"I think you read an exaggerated version of the history of the American revolution. I mean come on, tyranny? You were paying 1/20th of the tax the English were forking out."

This is kind of funny because it`s America vs Britain again. Shows how skewed curriculum is in different cultures, eh ?

Anyhow, to settle all this. The "Tyranny" set forward by the King, was only "Tyranny" in the philosophical teachings of John Locke. In an era of reason, these made the most sense so the Sons of Liberty followed them. Therefore, when George did things like taxation without representation, and also keeping a standing army and such, the Americans saw it as tyranny that had to be put down.

But, the thing is, Britain never agreed to follow said philosophies. It wasn`t their creed, so to them, everything was howdy doody. The Americans didn`t have a good reason NOT to pay

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Male 2,148
Why was this posted here? I have an idea: maybe we should post a real story, not a father speaking in broken english about something that he believes was entirely the school`s fault. I want to know what actually happened, with as many facts as are available, not this grabage of a news coverage.
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Male 1,263
Jeez...poor father...

Also, it turns out that he`s 13- Not as young as that one picture they showed of him in the video.
It`s alsoStated Herethat Jonathan had ADHD and Depression.

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Male 4,680
"Legal firearms are only the case to break from the tyranny of King George III."
I think you read an exaggerated version of the history of the American revolution. I mean come on, tyranny? You were paying 1/20th of the tax the English were forking out.
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Male 4,680
This case is a good argument on why we shouldn`t expose things like suicide to children too early.
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Male 360
Poor father i would be so mad at that school if i were him.
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Female 1,134
its schools like that makes me lose all hope for society and want to home school my future children or send them to a boarding school in a different country.
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Male 35
School should be charged with some kind of criminal negligence causing death.
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Female 69
"I smell something fishy. a 7-year-old committing suicide with a belt-rope? Nice story.... I think something else happened. Don`t know what, but something else"


agreed....

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Female 541
I smell something fishy. a 7-year-old committing suicide with a belt-rope? Nice story.... I think something else happened. Don`t know what, but something else.
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Female 362
That school should be closed for allowing something like that to happen, and fo raising children in such an enviroment.
I`m disgusted.


Also, it wasn`t a noose. Look at the rope. It`s just a knot. Most seven-year-olds can tie knots.

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Male 557
"Your country also seems to allow for a lot of extremities (fundamental religious believers, everything has to be the biggest, ridiculously harsh drug laws, legal fire arms) which also makes it an easy target for ridicule."

good statement, i agree with that except for the legal fire arms. i live in rural tennessee and if the government tried to take away the people`s guns in this area, there would literally be another civil war. people around here get really defensive about their guns.
i have a gun, muzzle loader, im a decent shot, use it for hunting/entertainment, and i actually agree...

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Male 78
1. How did he even know how to make a noose?

I don`t think he would need to know how to make a noose to hang himself. Obviously that would be the ideal knot to hang yourself with, but I imagine it can be done with other, more well known, and less sinister knots.

2. Suicidal seven year old? He had to have some serious problems.

Yeah that is really disturbing. Although, since he was ony seven, and in special ed(mentally slow?), maybe he didn`t fully understand what he was doing. He probably was pissed to be in the room, and thought `Well I`ll show them`. He probably wasn`t so sad to be in there that he just had to kill himself. The dad sounded pretty nice, so I don`t think it was a problem at home that made him want to do that.

3. Why do they even have a time out room in a special ed school?

Yeah, this is just dumb. They probably shouldn`t have a room like that, and if they do, someone needs to know what the kid is up to in there. In any event, I hope they got rid of it.

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Male 1,204
"Your country also seems to allow for a lot of extremities (fundamental religious believers, everything has to be the biggest, ridiculously harsh drug laws, legal fire arms) which also makes it an easy target for ridicule."

Legal firearms are only the case to break from the tyranny of King George III. They did not want an absolutist government, something very commonplace at the time, but rather they felt they were part of the "enlightened" areas of society, and salutary neglect also played largely in this. Pretty much, they wanted some autonomy, and things like militia are necessary to create a balance in powers.

Religious extremism? only reason why it happens is because of religious tolerance.

also, having stronger gun control laws only means more OC. Look at what happens in korea, you have gangs beating people to death with clubs and chains. Would you rather get shot in the head and die, or get beaten to a pulp and left to bleed to death?

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Male 650
So they ban beatings but still allow jail cells?
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Female 134
well see it IS north georgia and since i live right on the ga/tn line, i could see something like this happening. by the way, the south breeds suicidal seven year olds.
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Male 7,933
"1. How did he even know how to make a noose?"

I was going to ask that.

"What bothers me, is just because it was USA everyone begins to jump on the bandwagon "OMFG (bad comment) American society""

In just another link (the father humiliates son) I found 2 incredibly...how do I phrase this... not the sharpest crayon in the box posters and they were both european. I didnt take their views as a representation of Europe itself.

" I thought we were innocent until proven guilty."

Dont send in your W-2 to the IRS and see if that still applies

"Your country also seems to allow for a lot of extremities (fundamental religious believers, everything has to be the biggest, ridiculously harsh drug laws, legal fire arms) which also makes it an easy target for ridicule."

You had me until legal fire arms

"I`m sure you`d understand better if you`ve ever been to school before."
PWNED!!!11

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Female 267
Lots of questions about this one.

1. How did he even know how to make a noose?

2. Suicidal seven year old? He had to have some serious problems.

3. Why do they even have a time out room in a special ed school?

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Male 614
"damm that suck!!! but i understand kid cause school
and high school think the kids are slaves or something and they tacher think they do what they to those kids!"

I`m sure you`d understand better if you`ve ever been to school before.

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Male 19
You see,WHOISIT12345, the key to being taken seriously, is you at least make an effort to spell right, and not drat syntax to hell.
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Male 4,393
damm that suck!!! but i understand kid cause school
and high school think the kids are slaves or something and they tacher think they do what they to those kids!
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Male 123
MORNAF1, go ahead. I`m actually flattered somebody likes that mental diarrhea I excrete sometimes.
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Male 210
thats crazy did they pay a janitor to chip the paint on the door like that? and MORN, they said he was a really small kid, he could have just sat down and let it choke him
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Male 1,086
I`ve never heard of a suicidal 7 year old, but then what do I know?
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Female 1,299
This is sad, but I really don`t think it could have been expected, you can`t think that a seemingly happy child would commit suicide.
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Male 271
I don`t actually understand why he commited suicide, sorry, maybe I`m stupid.
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Male 557
also... um... why did the teachers put him in the room, also, (im re watching it to find out) it really didn`t look like that long of a rope that they gave him... depends on the size of that door.

but a lot of this still doesn`t make sense

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Male 557
"I`ve lived on both sides of the world for a while and I can tell you with certainty:
We`re all equally imbeciles."

hey makkaal, you have now made my favorite quote ever, mind if i use it?

i don`t really care about what country anything happens in. i do intend to travel the world, but until then all i have the right to criticize is america,

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Male 639
Scotchy,

I can only comment from the perspective of a British person but America does seem to be pretty irresponsible at times. It`s not as if other countries aren`t just as bad but at the same time most other countries don`t seem to share the "America f*** yeah" view of themselves.

Your country and it`s people (of course not everyone) seems to constantly boast about how America is better then everywhere else and so it`s bound to receive criticism when something goes wrong.

Your country also seems to allow for a lot of extremities (fundamental religious believers, everything has to be the biggest, ridiculously harsh drug laws, legal fire arms) which also makes it an easy target for ridicule.

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Male 557
terrible that the kid died, truly terrible.

but
1) i imagine that the "seclusion" room is like ISS in schools near where i live, of course, there is a teacher with the person.

2) as to the reason they gave him a rope, i doubt that anyone would think that a CHILD would kill himself, for the simple reason children always seem so happy.

3) remember something, the teacher probably just lost his/her job. and he/she will have to live with the fact that she gave that boy rope.

4) go Scotchy, you get to continuea thumbs

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Male 123

"If you would like, I can start listing all your faults as well, just to show how little difference between us there is."
I hate that as well. I tend to get irate when I find out that the ones criticizing have never actually spent time to at least fake interest in the other continent. Many Americans claim bullcrap about Europe without ever having left the US borders, same the other way around - Europeans like to think they know everything about the US from TV and movies.
I`ve lived on both sides of the world for a while and I can tell you with certainty:
We`re all equally imbeciles.

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Female 311
Those poor parents, that poor child. Absolutely tragic, society isn`t to blame, those bloody moronic teachers are.
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Male 438
I just looked in to this and what`s worse is that the school he went to is a special ed school. Why would anybody put anyone else let alone a little kid with special needs inside a "prison cell" on his own?
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Female 285
since when did schools start becoming akin to prisons? Its so sick. They lock up my school at like 1:30, 15 mins. after school gets out so that not even the teachers can go anywhere. I thought we were innocent until proven guilty.
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Male 591
3 seconds of looking and I already got this:

"Greek police have again clashed with demonstrators in Athens, two weeks after the fatal shooting of a teenager by police sparked nationwide unrest."

I can keep going maybe? :)

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Male 591
Before I start on my little rant, I do understand how bad the situation is, and stupid negligence caused this child to die.

What bothers me, is just because it was USA everyone begins to jump on the bandwagon "OMFG (bad comment) American society" but these are the same people that criticize us for being stereotypical people as well. Bunch of hypocrites. The funny thing is if anything bad ever happened to Europe or wherever else, you all are strangely silent. If you would like, I can start listing all your faults as well, just to show how little difference between us there is.

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Male 1,347
depressing.
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Male 214

American society is sick. Really sick.

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Female 493
How sad.

Why exactly would a special ed school need a "seclusion room" in the first place?

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Female 471
Link: Child Commits Suicide While In School `Seclusion` [Rate Link] - Seclusion Room in the boy`s north Georgia special education school was something akin to a prison cell.
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