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And thanks for the link, expl0it!
Does anyone else find this hypocritical?
Nothing really to say about this... just... *sigh*
You seem to be misunderstanding a very obvious function of a gun.
You`re an idiot, you are just feeding the flame.
Typical, I make a few negative comments about America and it`s now USA vs UK, as if it`s some sort battle. That attitude is seriously redundant.
A) drat usa vs uk thats redundant. same as the gun debate
B) Stop only blaming the school, everyones at fault. The parents should have listened to their kid, the school shouldnt have used that kind of punnishment and the kid shouldnt have killed himself.
BUT NONE OF THAT MATTERS. a child is dead. its not a time for blame, its time to make sure poo like this doesnt happen again. PERIOD.
Lol... no... Civilization has been so much worse than it is now before.. you have nooo idea.
I`m sorry but I cannot disagree with this enough. How can you defend yourself with a gun? It just becomes a kill or be killed situation. That`s not self defence, that`s full blown violence.
"If our leaders were to ever to truly fly off the handle the American people are armed and capable of stopping it."
Again, this is the same sort of view that I believe makes a mockery of the American nation. Any respectable nation shouldn`t be in fear of it`s government. And anyway, how will a owning a gun protect the American people from it`s government? Sounds to me like it`s just the making of some seriously dangerous riots.
Lets people know what those with authority do with it, huh? I was basically locked in a hospital wing `for my safety` because I was upset when my father died, my mother didn`t speak up because `they had the right`, when they didn`t, and oddly enough, that was the only time in my life I ever considered suicide. People think their helping, but half the time their hurthing.
Well my family has lived in the area since what seems to be the Dawn of Time. With that comes the fact we are long time friends with the school Administration, the Teacher found herself out of her job and in the cold rather quickly!
So to see a school putting children in what is nothing less then Solitary Confinement doesn`t surprise me. It just is very sad to see the child hung himself.
And, how old was that kid? Why would he commit suicide in that room? How long was he supposed to have been in there?
The seclusion room I think I have an answer to. If it was a special ed school, then the kids who are special ed are very run off of emotions. If they get mad, they throw absolute temper tantrums.
Our school has a special ed program, and last Friday, there had been one girl who is special ed and she threw a screaming tantrum in the hallways, throwing herself on the ground and kicking and punching at the teachers.
So the seclusion room might be for those type of situations- where the student is being violent and they put them in the seclusion room so they can`t hurt anyone.
Sadly due to that fact that they exist.
Outlawing Guns only takes them from the hands from lawful citizens. There have been multiple cases in recent history where a society has disarmed its populous only to see its violent crime rate climb. This happens because the Criminals knew that victims were incapable of defending themselves. Guns in the American tradition are also the peoples last resort to keeping the gov`t in check. If our leaders were to ever to truly fly off the handle the American people are armed and capable of stopping it.
"Your country also seems to allow for a lot of extremities (fundamental religious believers, everything has to be the biggest, ridiculously harsh drug laws"
I agree on our Drug laws being Draconian but those are swift on the change.
Of course everything has to be the biggest here. We`re American g`d Dammit.
And yeah, Freedom of religion was never the Brit`s strong suit
Fair enough, but the English used to carry out practices that are now considered ridiculous (take witch killing for example). I`m not dismissing the historical reason for the public availability of guns, I`m simply dismissing the justification for the continued selling of firearms. Bar hunting, why should somebody need a gun?
But anyway this was never meant to be an attack on the American people. I was simply trying to share what I believe to be the reasons for people`s anger towards American values.
But you must agree, you do have a lot of religious loons, lol.
Well, I`m an educator in NYC and I disagree. Most children who are placed in `seclusion rooms` and other such things are only placed there because the teachers/administrators are lazy and have no initiative to educate anyone who slightly deviates from the norm. `Seclusion rooms` are just excuses for people to be bad educators. It`s a shame, really.
Agreed. Special ed + seclusion room indicates there`s more to the story. He could have been violent and psychotic, and the school may have been dealing with the situation as best it could.
And getting none of their rights
in other news, this is horribly depressing.
If you really don`t think that King George was a tyrant check the Declaration of Independence. It contains an entire list of the injustices he committed. Taxation was only a small part of the reason for revolution.
Here`s the real story.
"I think you read an exaggerated version of the history of the American revolution. I mean come on, tyranny? You were paying 1/20th of the tax the English were forking out."
This is kind of funny because it`s America vs Britain again. Shows how skewed curriculum is in different cultures, eh ?
Anyhow, to settle all this. The "Tyranny" set forward by the King, was only "Tyranny" in the philosophical teachings of John Locke. In an era of reason, these made the most sense so the Sons of Liberty followed them. Therefore, when George did things like taxation without representation, and also keeping a standing army and such, the Americans saw it as tyranny that had to be put down.
But, the thing is, Britain never agreed to follow said philosophies. It wasn`t their creed, so to them, everything was howdy doody. The Americans didn`t have a good reason NOT to pay
Also, it turns out that he`s 13- Not as young as that one picture they showed of him in the video. It`s alsoStated Herethat Jonathan had ADHD and Depression.
Also, it wasn`t a noose. Look at the rope. It`s just a knot. Most seven-year-olds can tie knots.
good statement, i agree with that except for the legal fire arms. i live in rural tennessee and if the government tried to take away the people`s guns in this area, there would literally be another civil war. people around here get really defensive about their guns.i have a gun, muzzle loader, im a decent shot, use it for hunting/entertainment, and i actually agree...
I don`t think he would need to know how to make a noose to hang himself. Obviously that would be the ideal knot to hang yourself with, but I imagine it can be done with other, more well known, and less sinister knots.
2. Suicidal seven year old? He had to have some serious problems.
Yeah that is really disturbing. Although, since he was ony seven, and in special ed(mentally slow?), maybe he didn`t fully understand what he was doing. He probably was pissed to be in the room, and thought `Well I`ll show them`. He probably wasn`t so sad to be in there that he just had to kill himself. The dad sounded pretty nice, so I don`t think it was a problem at home that made him want to do that.
3. Why do they even have a time out room in a special ed school?
Yeah, this is just dumb. They probably shouldn`t have a room like that, and if they do, someone needs to know what the kid is up to in there. In any event, I hope they got rid of it.
Legal firearms are only the case to break from the tyranny of King George III. They did not want an absolutist government, something very commonplace at the time, but rather they felt they were part of the "enlightened" areas of society, and salutary neglect also played largely in this. Pretty much, they wanted some autonomy, and things like militia are necessary to create a balance in powers.
Religious extremism? only reason why it happens is because of religious tolerance.
also, having stronger gun control laws only means more OC. Look at what happens in korea, you have gangs beating people to death with clubs and chains. Would you rather get shot in the head and die, or get beaten to a pulp and left to bleed to death?
I was going to ask that.
"What bothers me, is just because it was USA everyone begins to jump on the bandwagon "OMFG (bad comment) American society""
In just another link (the father humiliates son) I found 2 incredibly...how do I phrase this... not the sharpest crayon in the box posters and they were both european. I didnt take their views as a representation of Europe itself.
" I thought we were innocent until proven guilty."
Dont send in your W-2 to the IRS and see if that still applies
"Your country also seems to allow for a lot of extremities (fundamental religious believers, everything has to be the biggest, ridiculously harsh drug laws, legal fire arms) which also makes it an easy target for ridicule."
You had me until legal fire arms
"I`m sure you`d understand better if you`ve ever been to school before."PWNED!!!11
1. How did he even know how to make a noose?
3. Why do they even have a time out room in a special ed school?
I`m sure you`d understand better if you`ve ever been to school before.
but a lot of this still doesn`t make sense
hey makkaal, you have now made my favorite quote ever, mind if i use it?
i don`t really care about what country anything happens in. i do intend to travel the world, but until then all i have the right to criticize is america,
I can only comment from the perspective of a British person but America does seem to be pretty irresponsible at times. It`s not as if other countries aren`t just as bad but at the same time most other countries don`t seem to share the "America f*** yeah" view of themselves.
Your country and it`s people (of course not everyone) seems to constantly boast about how America is better then everywhere else and so it`s bound to receive criticism when something goes wrong.
Your country also seems to allow for a lot of extremities (fundamental religious believers, everything has to be the biggest, ridiculously harsh drug laws, legal fire arms) which also makes it an easy target for ridicule.
but 1) i imagine that the "seclusion" room is like ISS in schools near where i live, of course, there is a teacher with the person.
2) as to the reason they gave him a rope, i doubt that anyone would think that a CHILD would kill himself, for the simple reason children always seem so happy.
3) remember something, the teacher probably just lost his/her job. and he/she will have to live with the fact that she gave that boy rope.
4) go Scotchy, you get to continuea thumbs
"If you would like, I can start listing all your faults as well, just to show how little difference between us there is."I hate that as well. I tend to get irate when I find out that the ones criticizing have never actually spent time to at least fake interest in the other continent. Many Americans claim bullcrap about Europe without ever having left the US borders, same the other way around - Europeans like to think they know everything about the US from TV and movies.I`ve lived on both sides of the world for a while and I can tell you with certainty:We`re all equally imbeciles.
"Greek police have again clashed with demonstrators in Athens, two weeks after the fatal shooting of a teenager by police sparked nationwide unrest."
I can keep going maybe? :)
What bothers me, is just because it was USA everyone begins to jump on the bandwagon "OMFG (bad comment) American society" but these are the same people that criticize us for being stereotypical people as well. Bunch of hypocrites. The funny thing is if anything bad ever happened to Europe or wherever else, you all are strangely silent. If you would like, I can start listing all your faults as well, just to show how little difference between us there is.
American society is sick. Really sick.
Why exactly would a special ed school need a "seclusion room" in the first place?