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75 Responses to Artificial Intelligence

  1. Profile photo of davymid
    davymid Male 30-39
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    December 5, 2008 at 12:37 pm
    Link: Artificial Intelligence - The Rubiks Cube-solving robot post sparked an interesting debate on robots ``Learning``. Is it starting to happen?
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    redfusionD Male 18-29
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    December 5, 2008 at 12:49 pm
    Isn`t that one of the guys from Top Gear?
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    December 5, 2008 at 12:50 pm
    vv Indeed, that`s James May from Top Gear, in a show called "James May`s Big Ideas".
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    Zerocyde Male 18-29
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    December 5, 2008 at 1:01 pm
    GOD DAMNIT I dratING LOVE SCIENCE!!!
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    theHUSHSOUND Female 13-17
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    December 5, 2008 at 1:04 pm
    wow.. that`s brilliant. and I agree zerocyde, I absolutely adore science! I find it so fascinating in a variety of the branches of science, but I do like the more physics / technologically leaned science over, say, biology. Maybe I should major in science!
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    December 5, 2008 at 1:06 pm
    Incredible.


    I was also very impressed when Asimo guessed that the Mini Cooper was "maybe toy car", it knew enough to extrapolate from what it knew about other toy cars.

    Can`t wait for the robot apocalypse! :D

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    MrFibbles Male 18-29
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    December 5, 2008 at 1:13 pm
    reminds me of A.I
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    Normo Male 18-29
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    December 5, 2008 at 1:16 pm
    brilliant!
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    pick_me Male 18-29
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    December 5, 2008 at 1:21 pm
    lets see it breath
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    CaptainPat Male 18-29
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    December 5, 2008 at 1:25 pm
    MrFibbles, please tell me your not talking about that godawful movie with the talking teddybear.
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    krath Male 18-29
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    December 5, 2008 at 1:30 pm
    That`s awesome, I can only imagine what technological advancements will come in the next 10 years.
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    Overmann Male 18-29
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    December 5, 2008 at 1:43 pm
    The Rubiks Cube robot didn`t "learn" anything - it was just following presupplied programming. Make a robot with the ability to issue its own instructions - now that`s artificial intelligence.
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    amaqdrinker Male 18-29
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    December 5, 2008 at 1:52 pm
    this is just a camera with a database that can run comparative photo analysis, still just computation, still infinitely far from understanding.
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    mcrack50 Female 13-17
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    December 5, 2008 at 1:54 pm
    this is really, really neat.
    but it also scared the hell out of me.
    i don`t want to be run by robots :(
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    docwatson Male 18-29
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    December 5, 2008 at 1:58 pm
    "The Rubiks Cube robot didn`t "learn" anything - it was just following presupplied programming. Make a robot with the ability to issue its own instructions - now that`s artificial intelligence."

    Thank you! Though this video is definitely signs that maybe in a few years robots and artificial intelligence will make huge strides. Thanks to logical programming languages and the affordability of large storage today it`s way more doable than it ever has been before.

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    WhenIsLunch Male 18-29
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    December 5, 2008 at 2:06 pm
    that was pretty cool but ive seen like 10 movies of this going horribly wrong, but people in horror movies usually act like they`re complete idiots
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    RandyTheFool Male 18-29
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    December 5, 2008 at 2:11 pm
    CAPTAIN SLOW!
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    amaqdrinker Male 18-29
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    December 5, 2008 at 2:17 pm
    if you show me a robot that looks at that mini cooper, sees what it is, makes the connection that it is a smaller version of an actual car, realizes that people drive cars, and pretends that it is driving the car, then you might have a point. and it`s pretend driving better be kick ass.
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    i-am-horny Male 13-17
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    December 5, 2008 at 2:28 pm
    Robots learning have already started to happne, in vista, it has, the voice recognition system , learns your voice, your temo, volume, its a very complex system.
    but cool
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    audiosncracy Male 18-29
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    December 5, 2008 at 2:43 pm
    "host: So is this the beginnings of genuine intelligence rather than simply programming?
    engineer: We are targeting for this yes.
    host: How long until he takes over the world?
    engineer: Uh, I don`t think this will happen.
    host: I`m not so sure."

    Corny yes, but I thought it was kinda funny.

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    idontknow951 Male 18-29
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    December 5, 2008 at 2:44 pm
    "Thank you! Though this video is definitely signs that maybe in a few years robots and artificial intelligence will make huge strides. Thanks to logical programming languages and the affordability of large storage today it`s way more doable than it ever has been before. "

    I`m just going to say one word. Terminator.

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    ninjabot Male 13-17
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    December 5, 2008 at 2:55 pm
    dont worry it gunna go crazy now we can hit robots that talk back to us
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    deltaumarcus Male 18-29
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    December 5, 2008 at 3:01 pm
    Great. That`s just what we need. Robots that learn. Not only do I have to prepare for the zombie uprising, I have to prepare for frigging robots too? Those draters don`t get tired
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    Sorax3 Male 13-17
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    December 5, 2008 at 3:05 pm
    definately the better bro.
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    December 5, 2008 at 3:07 pm
    vv "if you show me a robot that looks at that mini cooper, sees what it is, makes the connection that it is a smaller version of an actual car, realizes that people drive cars, and pretends that it is driving the car, then you might have a point."

    Baby steps, Amaq. Baby steps.

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    Tacos4Brkfst Male 18-29
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    December 5, 2008 at 3:11 pm
    "maybe toy car"
    Wow.

    Cant wait for a few more years.

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    jsatan Male 18-29
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    December 5, 2008 at 3:17 pm
    Even tho it is pretty good, its not that good, this is still clever static coding. Can it teach its self new things? No, when something truly has AI it will learn to re-write its own coding. This is true AI.
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    amaqdrinker Male 18-29
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    December 5, 2008 at 3:22 pm
    "Even tho it is pretty good, its not that good, this is still clever static coding. Can it teach its self new things? No, when something truly has AI it will learn to re-write its own coding. This is true AI."

    i think that`s spot on jsatan, and davymid, i don`t think that a robot can be programmed to "pretend" or imagine.

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    thesimpsons Male 18-29
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    December 5, 2008 at 3:40 pm
    wow this is both breathtaking and scary. Though it seems far off, how long until this little guy becomes companions for old people. How long until it starts thinking and creating. How long...........until judgment day (terminator soundtrack plays)
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    Quackor Male 18-29
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    December 5, 2008 at 4:06 pm
    its obvious intelligence comes from the soul
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    amaqdrinker Male 18-29
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    December 5, 2008 at 4:11 pm
    i think that artificial intelligence is definitely going to get much more complex and probably much more intelligent than humans in the future, but i do agree with quackor that intelligence is not equivalent to consciousness.
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    suprise123 Female 13-17
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    December 5, 2008 at 4:19 pm
    Call me in 20 years and tell me how this turns out!

    :)

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    Tanfoo Male 18-29
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    December 5, 2008 at 4:20 pm
    When a computer can see a dozen pictures of different cats in different poses and identify them all as cats, that will be a starting point. Even toddlers can do that.
    The program in this video needs motion to differentiate the objects in the room. This would not work the same if the robot were looking at pictures of these objects. This is just exciting looking programming. No intelligence.
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    moefreak Female 18-29
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    December 5, 2008 at 4:29 pm
    Oh my god I am terrified. That`s so cool and fascinating and yet genuinely scary.
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    moefreak Female 18-29
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    December 5, 2008 at 4:30 pm
    Oh and I want that thing. As a pet.
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    __carebear__ Female 13-17
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    December 5, 2008 at 4:44 pm
    OH MY GOD ITS ADORABLE!
    :D


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    yes_finn Male 18-29
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    December 5, 2008 at 4:47 pm
    i have never heard anything that has convinced me that my brain is more than a computer made of meat. to believe in a soul requires a leap of spiritual faith that i am not able to make.
    consciousness is nothing beyond seeing and recognizing. two things that the robot demonstrated quite remarkably.
    now, the shape of an object and it`s use or meaning are two entirely different concepts. so far, the robot only understands shapes but not the purposes of these things because it is not a human. that doesn`t mean our minds are anything special that are outside the laws of science.

    @jsatan:

    @tanfoo: the robot builds a three dimensional image in it`s brain the same way we do. the only way we recognize and compare two dimensional images with each other is by imagining them with more than two dimensions. you see the picture of a cat and you can understand it because you know the cat`s shape, and because you know that usually a picture is of something that was originally three dimens

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    janus_games Male 18-29
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    December 5, 2008 at 5:02 pm
    When artificial intelligence arrives, it will not be able to "rewrite its own code" as so many people have stated previously, no more than we can rewrite our own DNA.

    What it will be able to do, much as we are able to do, is rewrite and reorganize relationships in data.

    The ability to abstract into ideas, which was what this robot has shown on a very, very basic level is similar to what we do.

    When we see a mini-cooper, we actually do a bit of generalization and think on our ideal "car". This gets modified a little later down the path with more information and by the time it gets to our conciousness, comes out as "mini-cooper".

    This is like when you can`t remember the right word for a thing, you often remember something close to it, maybe a sound it makes, maybe what it does, or some other classification.

    Don`t believe me? Look at the second post by redfusionD, he`s associated the host with a show.

    @theHUSHSOUND biology gets INCREDIBLY inte

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    Tanfoo Male 18-29
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    December 5, 2008 at 5:07 pm
    @ yes_finn
    I see what you`re saying, but the point I`m trying to make is that we as humans have the capacity to understand the idea of the illusion of multiple dimensions in a 2 dimensional picture. The robot in the video had to move around slightly to figure out where certain objects were in the space in front of it. It needed to use multiple perspectives to identify the chair. If then, they showed it a picture of that same chair, without those stored files involving the overall 3d concept of a chair, it cannot identify the chair in the picture.
    To it, the picture is a 4 inch by 6 inch piece of paper. It takes a higher level of understanding and mental imaging to understand the concept of a 2d image representing a 3d object, this level of understanding will never be attained by increasing the sophistication of the the codes involved. Some new technique must be used to simulate the incredible power of human thought.
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    Tanfoo Male 18-29
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    December 5, 2008 at 5:11 pm
    Cont`d:

    You`re absolutely right about the brain and its similarities to a computer. There is no "magic liquid" that gives the mind consciousness. Consciousness is just the representation of the mind processing the 5 senses.
    Currrently, scientists compare the most powerful supercomputers in the world having maybe the thinking capacity of a roosterroach. Memory does not denote intelligence. Library databases know the name and location of every book in the entire library, but you don`t see it going off and solving every problem in mankind. Someday, we will be able to recreate the mind, whether by hardware are a very sophisticated a.i. program. Either way, the time will come when the complete layout of a human brain`s nueral connections can be copied into a machine or program. Then we`ll see if this soul thing really exists.

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    Tanfoo Male 18-29
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    December 5, 2008 at 5:12 pm
    Roosterroach?! Really?!
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    skine Male 18-29
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    December 5, 2008 at 5:18 pm
    @jsatan: I think you`re describing intelligence, not artificial intelligence. The creation may be artificial, but the intelligence is genuine, though probably not completely human.

    @yes_finn: I agree with most of what you said, but I`ll still recommend Godel, Escher, Bach, which compares a brain to an anthill.

    However, consciousness exceeds "seeing and recognizing." It involves the ability to take an alien concept and relating it to familiar concepts. Think of it like the one part of Whose Line is it Anyway where they would find as many (humerous) uses for a random object as possible.

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    zanga254 Male 13-17
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    December 5, 2008 at 6:30 pm
    whoa...james may
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    AnwarNova Male 18-29
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    December 5, 2008 at 6:32 pm
    "that has convinced me that my brain is more than a computer made of meat"

    ...then what`s art?

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    AnwarNova Male 18-29
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    December 5, 2008 at 6:34 pm
    creepy music to this video
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    culberto Male 18-29
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    December 5, 2008 at 6:56 pm
    Complete bullsh t. The chair versus table experiment? What about the check table cloth for f*cks sake?! Utter wangk.
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    deathxtra Male 13-17
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    December 5, 2008 at 6:57 pm
    robots WILL take over the world


    soon...

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    alfietoon Male 18-29
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    December 5, 2008 at 7:02 pm
    i feel really sorry for asimo he was reaching out for the toys and they wudnt let him have it :(
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    skine Male 18-29
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    December 5, 2008 at 7:07 pm
    From Wikipedia: "Art is the process or product of deliberately and creatively arranging elements in a way that appeals to the senses or emotions."

    From Everything Will Be Okay by Don Hertzfeldt: " began to think of people in a new light; how everyone`s just little more than that frightened, fragile brain stem, surrounded by meat and physics, too terrified to recognize the sum of their parts, insulated in the shells of their skulls and lower-middle-class houses, afraid of change, afraid of decisions, afraid of pain, stuck in traffic, listening to terrible music."

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    amaqdrinker Male 18-29
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    December 5, 2008 at 7:19 pm
    to be honest, if they create a robot that has consciousness, it will make me seriously question the existence of God. i don`t believe it is possible, but i`ve heard interesting theories. there is an illogical aspect to man which is contrary to the nature of programming though. one idea is to take small pieces of someone`s brain and replace them each individually with a component that does the same thing, eventually turning the brain into multiple artificial programmed components.
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    Masticore Male 18-29
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    December 5, 2008 at 7:21 pm
    there is a huge difference between an algorithm and true "Artificial Intelligence", and you can do a lot with sufficiently complex algorithms, a Turing machine, and appropriate inputs and outputs. Solving a rubik`s cube is one such thing that is somewhat straightforward to do with an algorithm.
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    December 5, 2008 at 7:30 pm
    What`s more amazing is that IAB suddenly seems to be populated by the world`s leading experts on AI and related technology. That or you lot are all just copy-pasting BS you don`t understand. I wonder which is more likely...
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    December 5, 2008 at 7:39 pm
    vv Bob, it`s the former, surely. This is I-A-B after all.
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    Spartano3 Male 13-17
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    December 5, 2008 at 7:47 pm
    mini pooper
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    December 5, 2008 at 7:52 pm
    You`re right Davy, let`s wait for the next gem of intellectualism from Prof Tanfoo MEng PhD MPhil MIET and his colleagues at the University of Wikipedia.
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    teph2112 Male 13-17
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    December 5, 2008 at 8:10 pm
    Abuse of (any) intelligence:

    Ok, this is a poopee (shows a toy)
    and this is a car (shows a slug)

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    PhuxPro Male 13-17
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    December 5, 2008 at 9:02 pm
    They started to debate now? They should`ve noticed when Gary Kasparov was playing the computer Deep Blue in a chess game.
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    earthshone Male 18-29
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    December 5, 2008 at 10:15 pm
    uh oh. I don`t wanna be a pet!
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    superdud3 Male 18-29
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    December 5, 2008 at 10:26 pm
    ahhhh its the begining of the end AHHHHHHHHH
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    amaqdrinker Male 18-29
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    December 5, 2008 at 11:31 pm
    "What`s more amazing is that IAB suddenly seems to be populated by the world`s leading experts on AI and related technology. That or you lot are all just copy-pasting BS you don`t understand. I wonder which is more likely..."

    i just want to say that i wasn`t quoting anybody, i was high and referencing a conversation i had about three years ago, but i wasn`t quoting anybody.

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    amaqdrinker Male 18-29
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    December 5, 2008 at 11:32 pm
    and phux pro, deep blue played chess so its just purely logical, any computer can easily understand the game and deep blue had higher processing power so it could play the game perfectly.
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    hrlhrl2000 Male 30-39
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    December 6, 2008 at 5:23 am
    Wow! A machine that can store data which can be retrieved at a later date! Incredible! The chair thing was reasonably impressive but none of this technology is new; it`s just been put into a humanoid robot for shock value. It`s certainly not AI. That`s quite a long way off...
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    danthew Male 18-29
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    December 6, 2008 at 6:25 am
    GAH! Doesn`t any1 pay attention at the movies?? Intelligant robots = bad, cloning dinosaurs/woolly mammoths = bad.
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    Ruswut Male 18-29
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    December 6, 2008 at 6:33 am
    I love the way it reaches out and says "Grandpa!" It seems quite sad and creepy.
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    Sean162 Male 13-17
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    December 6, 2008 at 6:55 am
    It defeinitely has the face of an evil overlord.

    I LOVE JAMES MAY!

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    crashgirl88 Female 18-29
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    December 6, 2008 at 7:35 am
    Locked on target? Did that sound somewhat unsettling to anyone else?
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    BlueJack Female 18-29
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    December 6, 2008 at 1:31 pm
    that man had ugly hair...
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    schecter5 Male 18-29
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    December 6, 2008 at 2:37 pm
    so a robot able to make judgments, eh?
    sooo... how long before asimo gets racist?
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    Pilanus Male 18-29
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    December 7, 2008 at 1:04 am
    All humans have to program into robots is how to learn. Then we can treat it like a child, and given a few years of constant learning, as it can learn in seconds what it can take hours to comprehend for small children. and what`s more, it can simply transfer all that knowledge to all others just like transfers now. meaning as one learns, all learn. Which is both amazing and terrifying.

    However, I fell that them being our overlords is quite far off, if it happens at all. If we give it the ability to have abstract thought, then we must worry. Abstract thought give humans the ability to distinguish friend from foe, it also has given us mathematics, art, religion and more. As robots become mainstream, we will likely instill the 3 Asimov laws, and hope that they view themselves as our slaves, or our children, and us as their masters or their parents. Simply, they will come to hold immense power one day, hopefully they will feel that humans (an perhaps only some humans) are worthy of livin

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    KMRocky Female 18-29
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    December 8, 2008 at 1:31 am
    Asimo + AWESOMEO? from southpark lol
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    Vagrant86 Male 18-29
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    December 8, 2008 at 11:03 am
    finally a robot i havnt seen.. wow.
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    Imz Female 18-29
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    December 8, 2008 at 11:31 am
    I`m actually doing a degree in CS with a planned major in theory like this... training neural networks (a network that works like a brain, with nodes that "fire" under certain stimuli) is something I actually did a bit of first year.

    We`re already using neural networks to shorten otherwise intractable algorithms that would need to be brute-forced, like path-finding. The notion that a computer could truly "think" is a little ridiculous, in my opinion.

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    slipkfighter Male 13-17
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    December 8, 2008 at 7:39 pm
    who`s seen terminator?

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    gatorade777 Male 18-29
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    December 9, 2008 at 3:05 am
    he didnt have a sense of humor when he asked when it would take over the world...
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    wikiwow10 Male 13-17
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    January 31, 2010 at 4:51 pm
    The difference between biological brains and software is that brains morph after the intake of information. Software can to this but it would take thousands of years to program the human mind; Not to mention the hardware needed to run such software is probably impossible to create. Though the possiblity that it "Just might" be possible will change what it means to be human, or for that matter biological.

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