Top 10 Arguments That Can’t Be Won

Submitted by: fancylad 8 years ago in Misc
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Even if this forum goes on to reach 1,000 pages, the following arguments will never be settled.
There are 371 comments:
Male 59
Can any arguments really be completely won? I mean, there is always going to be conspirators for any problem.
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Female 713
*runs*
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Male 516
"...the dinosaurs evolutioned into birds."

No, really... you didn`t just say that... did you?

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Female 67
I`ll take that as a challenge! No wait...I`m non-confrontational. /Runs away from the post
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Male 5
C`mon! Of course the chickens came first!

Take humans, as an example,
"What came first, the human or the womb?"

Chickens are also a part of evolution, the dinosaurs evolutioned into birds, not eggs.

No
All chickens come from eggs, but not all eggs come from chickens, therefore it is possible to have eggs without ever having chickens but it is not possible to chickens without first having eggs

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Male 499
C`mon! Of course the chickens came first!

Take humans, as an example,
"What came first, the human or the womb?"

Chickens are also a part of evolution, the dinosaurs evolutioned into birds, not eggs.

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Female 2,258
Ugh.. who eats ham on Christmas. It was always pot roast and yorkshire pudding for me. *drools* So good.
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Male 174
C`mon! There`s no way that turkey WITHOUT stuffing OR gravy is better than a well-cooked ham! That`s going to far, sir.
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Female 5,222
yep
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Male 2,245
thanks sixclaws, and philomath, i think i read your posts too and saw where you were coming from. other people brought it up though i think and its just ridiculous.

and definitely thanksgiving turkey, no matter what, but stuffing does give it that little something extra.

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Male 174
@sixclaws:

It all depends on the stuffing!

Good stuffing= Turkey>

Mediocre stuffing= Ham>

Mmmmm... Stuffing...

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Male 174
In my late defense, Flying Spaghetti Monster (FSM) was a god spoof written as an open letter in rebuttal to an angry parent wanting creationism taught in public schools. The point being that our Christian God can be scientifically proven just as easily as FSM.

As a Christian, I`m still able to appreciate the value of a secular education. I don`t want to live in a theocracy. If I want to go, or send my children to, a private school to ensure their biblical teaching beyond home, I will pay for that privilege.

My original comment should have been taken as support for lack of "proof" for an against most of those. i.e. Read, chuckle, move on.

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Male 2,313
"Ill start this.
Thanksgiving Turkey> Christmas Ham
Discuss."

True.
turkey>ham>poo>tofu

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Male 2,313
Very well put Amaq.
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Male 2,245
"The deal with the flying spaghetti monster is that this guy created this entire history for it and the fact that you think it makes no sense is the point. It makes just as much or as little sense as god or religion does. They are equally plausible... meaning they`re each equally ridiculous."

yeah i understand that but i could make up any ridiculous name i want for god. i believe in a benevolent entity that permeates throughout existence. if you think that sounds stupid then just say it sounds stupid don`t make up some absurd story. and as far as holy texts go i feel that this benevolent entity shines through the world, including people. and i`m a christian because i believe that it represents this benevolent entity, other religions have it close but they contain certain fundamentals that i feel were influenced outside of this entity. our free will, inherent only to humanity, exhibits itself in our path towards this entity or in a deviation away from it.

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Male 437
the first and the last 2 are really the same arguement
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Male 1,766
Ill start this.
Thanksgiving Turkey> Christmas Ham
Discuss.
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Male 2,245
i guess not :-(

it never hurts to put ideas out there though

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Male 12,138
No-one rising to the bait tonight, Amaq?
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Female 262
EVILDUCKY00... Ninja`s would so drating win... stealth...!
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Female 1,677
And... I don`t think I really made sense but I`ve got the biggest headache going on right now. Sorry maybe somebody else can explain it better.
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Female 1,677
The deal with the flying spaghetti monster is that this guy created this entire history for it and the fact that you think it makes no sense is the point. It makes just as much or as little sense as god or religion does. They are equally plausible... meaning they`re each equally ridiculous.
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Male 886
4. This one kind of confused me... Not exactly sure what the situation was...
5. The actually article proposed two questions to which I`ll respond. Accidental homicide? no. Mass murderer? yes, and I guess they would have to have killed more than once for the death penalty to apply.
6. Gonna have to go abortion, just because of rape.
7. I`ve come to believe in a combination of sorts of free will and fate. Basically it`s like a tree branching off: You are presented with choices at different parts of your life, and then fate will lead you to the next fork in the road, but if you make certain choices, you might be able to end up back on the other side. So it`s half&half, I don`t know if there is already a name for this.
8. You are not everyone else, so I feel that it has to be perspective and therefore relative.
9. I really want to be asked this at a restaurant or something lol. anyway, egg.
10. Yes, to me it makes no sense for God not to exist, butIHaveNoMoreRoom
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Male 886
"I can solve all of this bickering quite simply... Just let go. Let your neighbor believe what he wants to and be content with the fact that since he believes differently, he`s going to hell."

lol, I don`t know if you were serious or not, but that was funny to me. Speaking of funny, I liked the calvin and hobbes cartoon.

As for the arguments, I guess I`ll list my views as well (which are subject to change as I grow older and (hopefully) wiser and better informed)
1. Evolution (If people can change their lives, why not their bodies? Hmmm, maybe that`s not the best argument, I don`t think I put it the right way, but change is a natural part of life I think, it happens, so why can`t evolution?)
2. It can`t just be both? But I guess I lean SLIGHTLY more towards nurture...
3. I don`t like guns, but that isn`t a good enough reason to get rid of them all, yet I do think that there should be some pretty strong regulations, so I guess I lead towards high gun control.

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Male 430
What no Pirates vs Ninjas?
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Male 2,245
hell, i`ll just elaborate on my point and see if anyone has anything to say. the flying spaghetti monster makes no sense. what are you trying to prove? are you just giving god a new name, because you`re still talking about god. anyone i`ve ever spoken too about it makes it seem like somehow they`ve found this impossible to defeat argument against religion when they`ve just attached new imagery to the same thing. i just don`t get it. anyone wanna fill me in?
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Male 119
its unanymous ITS EGG DAMMIT EGG!
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Male 2,245
"i love it when people voice their opinions and then say don`t bother arguing with me because im not going to respond. lmao, it`s a hit and run. it`s the same thing as saying im right and running away before the other person has the chance to rebuttal."

i think i said that on this thread about the flying spaghetti monster. if you`ve got a rebuttal go ahead and shoot. i kind of feel like debating now.

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Female 390
Gods a big beardy sky fairy who doesnt exist -_- I contradicted myself in that sentence but if anyone corrects me i`ll stab them with my euthanasia chicken egg! I cant be bothered with religion because if everyone is wrong then its a waste of life.
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Male 231
i love it when people voice their opinions and then say don`t bother arguing with me because im not going to respond. lmao, it`s a hit and run. it`s the same thing as saying im right and running away before the other person has the chance to rebuttal.
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Female 262
Oh my GOD who invited ELKINGO to join the debate?

Babble babble babble...

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Female 15,763
Egg.

EGG.

F*CKING EGG.

DNA doesn`t change between egg and chicken, it`s the same freaking creature, the egg is just the first step in that one animal`s life.

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Male 12,138
Congrats Amaq, the big One Thou.
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Male 2,245
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*fireworks*

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Male 2,245
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Female 4,225
s0rd3dvis1on, I agree with the nature vs. nurture.

Also, even though I call myself a Muslim going atheist...I`ll be nice and neutrel like I used o.

I have no problm with catastrophism. An excuse? Maybe. But as long as you consider it I`m fine.

Also, some `prohets` are schizophrenics. But it doen`t mean everything `written` by god is done my a scizophrenic. Jesus certainly wasn`t one.

Could Moses...?

Mihhamad maybe...I dunno. You cam`t really say `all these men have some form of mental disorder."

Also, Zoarastorianism(sp?) invented the idea of heave/hell and demons plus good vs. evil with good winning and ressurection.

Yay being Iranian. (Ok...right now Iran`s been taken over my Big Brother...but still.)

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Male 152
i dont mind if people share their views or explian why they believe wat they believe but when the pro-gods start gettin all preachy thats when i get pissed off
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Female 2,258
vv That was an urban legend. It was discussed on IAB not too long ago actually.
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Male 701
Didn`t Darwin also denounce his beliefs of evolution? Or is that just an urban legend? :P
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Male 701
I`m with s0rd3dvis1on, but this is a good list to think about. o.o
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Male 354
i gotta say i almost 100% agree with lauraly
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Female 2,258
Ok so just because I am mercilessly bored I`ll post my views.
1.) Evolution
2.) Most definitely both. There is no arguement here, nature and nurture both play a role.
3.) I say there should be regulations, but in America it is a constitutional right. In other countries, whatever works.
4.)For it... if you`re that desperate but need help why does anyone have the right to deny it?
5.) Against it... though I would be ok with certain forms of torture for extreme cases... perhaps I`m sadistic.
6.) Pro-choice... I wouldn`t be able to have one myself, but I`d rather someone had the choice over more dumpster babies, back alley abortions, etc.
7.) Life is exactly what you make it.
8.) Relative
9.) The egg
10.) No (Though if I die and I`m wrong, I`ll be all "Sorry God, just exercising free will... please don`t punish me." And then I`ll smile all cute and innocent like.)

(IAB keeps cutting me off... CENSORSHIP.. or not, but it`s driving me nuts.)

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Male 2,388
almost all these arguments have a middle ground anyway.

evolution or creationism Well god could just have created mass and left it to its own devises.

Nurture vs nature well a little of both account for who you are.

gun control... We dont give guns to prisoners

Euthenasia only in cases where a person isn`t able to choose or voice their opinion.

The death penalty.. well i said most

Abortion just for rape victims and under 15`s mabey?

Free will or destiny. It doesnt matter anyway cos people will still blame you for what you do so meh.

Morals while killing is universaly considered bad (ussually) i revenge isn`t

the chicken or the egg. I think its the mutation but not sure

GOD Im not touching that one

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Male 394
I`m glad you agree with me.
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Male 2,245
here`s an interesting thought to all you who are still arguing over nothing in this thread. a lot of you are a suggesting that predestination is more inherently tied to god then to the absence of god. as i see it, if there is no god then all of existence is merely a series of reactions. everything you are and everything around you had to happen. however the theory goes, a certain protein combination along with some other chemical factors created life, so everything is merely a continuation of these reactions occurring. everything you do is merely a series of chemical reactions that began at the beginning of time, or whatever. so without a god everything is a series of reactions and you are incapable of changing their outcome. our free will is one of the most obvious testaments to the existence of a god, in my opinion.
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Male 2,034
Most worthless link ever. I`m more bored now than I was before I clicked.
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Male 394
Acts 22:14And he said, The God of our fathers hath chosen thee, that thou shouldest know his will, and see that Just One, and shouldest hear the voice of his mouth.

15For thou shalt be his witness unto all men of what thou hast seen and heard.

What you have done, is used the first verse to deny the second. God commands us to be a witness to others. God placed the tree in the garden to provide choice regardless of his knowledge of their actions

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Female 47
oh okay thanks elkingo! XD
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Male 5,620
"people enough about God and evolution, what about the chicken and the egg?!!"

God created the chicken, and gave it the ability to reproduce. =D

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Male 3
I can solve all of this bickering quite simply... Just let go. Let your neighbor believe what he wants to and be content with the fact that since he believes differently, he`s going to hell.
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Male 5,620
"God rejects them based on their decision to reject him, we are all inadequate, only by our choice to accept Christ are we saved."
Agreed, but God already knows what you will choose.
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Male 5,620
Granted, there isn`t many people who believe like me left, but it is a Christian Theology. It is why I have stopped witnessing to people, and merely defend my own faith. It made me a stronger Christian; and there is no sense wasting your time and effort pissing off the reprobate. They have already made their decision, and it is unlikely that they will change their mind. If they do have a change of heart later on, it is simply because they were of the "Elect" all along and didn`t realize it.
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Male 394
God rejects them based on their decision to reject him, we are all inadequate, only by our choice to accept Christ are we saved.
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Female 47
people enough about God and evolution, what about the chicken and the egg?!!
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Male 5,620
"He plans based on our decisions."

I humbly disagree, He has already planned everything out. He is the alpha and omega. He knows all; He already knows what our decision will be.

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Male 5,620
2 Corinthians 13:5
Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?

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Male 394
I don`t understand how his knowledge nullifies our decision, God is not a manipulator. Just because he knows, does not mean he makes the choice for us. He plans based on our decisions.
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Male 5,620
God does send people to Hell. He is the Judge of man.

Jemimah 6:30Reprobate silver shall men call them, because the LORD hath rejected them.

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Male 5,620
Choice doesn`t matter, because God already knows what you will choose. The decision to educated (reply) was made a long time ago.
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Male 394
That is along the thought that God sends people to Hell, that is ridiculous, it is your choice. If there is no choice then we are all just robots.
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Male 394
That is along the thought that God sends people to Hell, that is ridiculous, it is your choice. If there is no choice then we are all just animals.
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Male 394
If I know that you are going to reply do you still have the choice?
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Male 5,620
God already knows what that choice will be. Free will does not exist.
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Male 394
Elkingo, pre-destination does not nullify free will. Our entire purpose on earth is to choose to have a relationship with God making it pure and genuine. We always have the choice.
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Male 216
and oh ya. the past bit says

(P.S. if your athiest, do me a favor: dont reply)

not being mean, but i know the answer. save your fingers from all the typing

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Male 5,620
In Psychology no one argues Nature vrs Nurture any more. The belief is, after several separated twin studies, is that it is a combination of the both.
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Male 216
im sorry. my computer is posting parts and fulls over and over.
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Male 394
Chaitanya what the hell are you doing lol.
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Male 5,620
"On one hand, someone who believes in God should beleive in free-will, as directed in the bible."

I am a Christian, and I believe in Predestination..Reprobate and Elect. That btw is a Christian thought. Look up Jonathan Edwards sometime, or Jonathan Winthrop. I have met a lot of people in my life, and argued theology with a lot of people. Faith is a gift from God, and if you don`t believe in Him, He won`t bless you with it.

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Male 216
evolution.

both

ban them


if its their choice to die peacefully then yes. ( and only if their definately gonna die)

no. (mistakes happen. what if the guys innocent? but yes if they know he/she killed people. life for life makes sense)

ban abortions. if they were raped, they can have it.

free will

reletive

the egg. even if they evolve first, they are hatched from an egg.

god is real. how do you think these cycles work? its too much of a coincidence.
metamorphosis.
( when insects transform in cocoons)
photosynthesis.
when plants make energy from the sun. something millions of miles away.)


the water cycle.
( you know this one)


the carbon cycle.
( volcanoes throw out carbon dioxide into the air. plankton use it to make their shells. they die and go to the bottom of the ocean. plate tectonics drag the plate under another one melting the plankton shells and throwing them into the air. as carbon dioxide. repeat.)


(P.S if your athiest,

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Male 394
I could be off, that`s just how i perceive it.
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Male 216
evolution.

both

ban them


if its their choice to die peacefully then yes. ( and only if their definately gonna die)

no. (mistakes happen. what if the guys innocent? but yes if they know he/she killed people. life for life makes sense)

ban abortions. if they were raped, they can have it.

free will

reletive

the egg. even if they evolve first, they are hatched from an egg.

god is real. how do you think these cycles work? its too much of a coincidence.
metamorphosis.
( when insects transform in cocoons)
photosynthesis.
when plants make energy from the sun. something millions of miles away.)


the water cycle.
( you know this one)


the carbon cycle.
( volcanoes throw out carbon dioxide into the air. plankton use it to make their shells. they die and go to the bottom of the ocean. plate tectonics drag the plate under another one melting the plankton shells and throwing them into the air. as coarbon dioxide. repeat.)


ocean currents.
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Male 394
on the other hand an Atheist would most likely be the opposite.

If we are all just advanced animals, there is no free will. So God doesn`t exist, were a product of evolution, life is worthless and meaningless, chicken was evolved for something else so the egg was layed first, and morals are only and illusion created by society, relative.

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Male 55
The egg obviously came from a dinosaur not a chicken.
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Male 394
Well you know it really all comes down to your world view (except for gun control) i don`t think they are impossible to settle i think it is a dichotomy.

Creationism------Evolution
Nurture----------Nature
Anti-euthanasia--Pro-Euthanasia
Anti-Death Penalty-Pro-death Penalty
Pro-life---------Pro-Choice
Free Will--------Destiny
Universal--------Relative
Chicken----------Egg
Belief in God----Denial Of God

Not to say that this everyone will perfectly align along these paths but I think it basically correct.

On one hand, someone who believes in God should beleive in free-will, as directed in the bible. Therefore you should also beleive that your genetics cannot control who you become: Nurture. You beleive God created all the creatures of the earth who reproduced: Chicken. And that God placed the Law inside of us: Universal. Also you should beleive in the sanctity of life, Pro-Life, anti-euthanasia, anti-death penalty.

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Male 216
evolution.

both

ban them

if its their choice to die peacefully then yes. ( and only if their definately gonna die)

no. (mistakes happen. what if the guys innocent? but yes if they know he/she killed people. life for life makes sense)

ban abortions. if they were raped, they can have it.

free will

reletive

the egg. even if they evolve first, they are hatched from an egg.

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Male 342
7) Morals are simply ignored at times. What asshat is perfect in following all their set morals anyways?
8) Who the heck cares? we can make a good meal out of both.
9) Depends on who you ask, I personally believe in God.
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Male 342
1) Who is to say that it has to be black and white? Why not a gray area of God influencing evolution?
2) Again, both aspects contribute, its not always one thing or the other. I`m Latino, I listen to latin music, eat latin food, ect, but I also do things average Latinos don`t do.
3) You must be absolutely stupid to want to ban guns completely but like someone said here, have strict regulations. Absolute Gun control just keeps guns from good citizens when the black market supplies guns to criminals.
4) This one is a toughy, but why make people suffer? Unless they`re not conscious and are not willing then why not?
5) Choice, simply because raising rape children can harbor bad bad feelings for the child. That and not many people are ready for children though they screw around like bunnies. People are just stupid sometimes.
6) Some aspects are predestined, you grow up under the beliefs and ideals of your parents, some of them affect your judgment. But there is some free will
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Male 1,598
Refuse to comment on these, except:

The egg came first, since there were egg-laying creatures before chickens, and the question doesn`t specify that it`s a CHICKEN egg.

The others I won`t argue, since nobody can win.

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Male 2,313
"amaqdrinker

and if i`m going to say one actual opinionated thing in this thread it is that the flying spaghetti monster is the stupidest f*cking thing i have ever heard of. you are not smart. you are not clever. you are a jaded pompous ass."

Quoted for truth.

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Male 510
My turn:
1. Evolution. It seems pretty solid, but I`m always open to any new ideas.
2. Both
3. By all means, do not ban guns, but mercilessly regulate them.
4. No, if you want death, do it yourself dammit.
5. No on death penalty.
6. Personally, I`m against the whole idea of abortion. Practically, I`d rather have them not allow them as late as they do now.
7. Both again.
8. Everything is relative.
9. Egg by means of the easy way out-the question is too ambiguous.
10. It is impossible to say for sure, though I do believe so. I also think that to be able to say a god either does or doesn`t exist either requires a certain level of ignorance or a certain level of intellectual arrogance.
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Male 7,933
1. Not going to be settled
2. Not going to be settled
3. Seems pretty logical... Gun control doesn`t work.
4. Not going to be settled
5. Might be settled... might
6. I see this thing getting settled in a few years if someone brings a decent argument to trial
7. Not going to be settled
8. Never even thought about it.
9. Technically scientist have said its the egg. But by their reasons it leads me to believe its the chicken.
10. Not going to be settled
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Male 795
Oh man here we go. This was second on the front page and already had 264 comments.
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Male 1,406
First trimester, not third, whoops.
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Male 1,406
8. Morals exist for the good of many people. Society would be very hard to keep up without morals. Morals are relative but in the end they aren`t useful morals unless they`re good for society as a whole.
9. I don`t know, I never really looked that far into it.
10. No.
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Male 1,406
My "beliefs":
1. Evolution because it is the best solution we have made by the scientific method.
2. Both your upbringing and your DNA affect who you turn out to be, I believe upbringing is much more important.
3. No easy answer. Unfortunately I`m not very informed on the current state of gun control so I can`t say much. Guns should definitely not be totally banned or totally allowed, people must show competence to purchase them.
4. I don`t know, this is a difficult issue.
5. Death penalty... I`m not too sure on this either. Right now I feel that someone who has shown no signs of changing and done lots of horrible things should be the only person eligible.
6. Abortion is fine how it is, fetuses under the third trimester don`t have many distinctive human features.
7. Irritating question. Whatever will happen will definitely happen, but it only happens because of our choices. I don`t think you should really argue over this one, just live your life as if t
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Male 70
Rush Limbaugh has already won all these arguements.
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Male 12,138
vv sisi, no, it`s not an Open Forum. Post away as much as you like, as long as it`s on-topic. And seeing as this post covers just about every hot topic there is, you shouldn`t run out of things to be on-topic about. Right?
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Female 1,890
whoo
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Female 1,890
wait

is this an open forum?

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Male 3,296
yeah am not gonna bother with this one, but guns to everyone
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Male 4,290
SirKevin, I agree with everything you just said. Let`s meet up in Hell and piss off Hitler.
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Male 240
Ok, mofos, lets roll.
Gun laws, don`t sell guns to the public. Done. Sell guns to the public, and anyone can get one. Pro abortion, up to a certain point. When a foetus is still just a lump of cells, it can`t think, feel, sense or have an kind of intelligence, your saving the poor kid from a crappy life, it doesn`t know anything, it can`t miss it. I personally don`t and cannot believe in a God, and I can`t even be bothered to explain why. Free will, because I`m a nihilist. Evolution yes, there`s too much proof to say it doesn`t exist, plus, what do you think dog breeding is? It`s evolution, just you`re picking which dogs breed, not the environment. They`re all the ones I can be bothered to rant about.
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Male 4,290
Tankity - "No one knows who`s going to break a law, (any law) until they do- then they are punished. Gun control is like punishing someone IN CASE they MIGHT do something wrong."


I take it that you`re in favour of relaxing controls on the purchase of materials involved in the construction of nuclear weapons then? After all, they`re so strictly monitored right now IN CASE someone MIGHT do something wrong. And nukes are designed purely to kill other people, whereas handguns and rifles...

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Male 4,290
"And theyre is both free will and destiny destiny is what has to happen when you pick one thing or the other so its both."


Destiny means "what is going to happen". You can`t have two destinies. Destiny and free will are diametrically opposed (that means opposites).

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Female 497
abortion is murder because the baby is a live right when the baby gets inside you because the babys eats the same foods you eat that`s why your more hungry and its half hers also.
And theyre is both free will and destiny destiny is what has to happen when you pick one thing or the other so its both.
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Male 901
And also, the missing link is a stupid argument. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_hum... there, I found it.
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Female 751
Oh and P.S. the giant spaghettie monster was a very valid answer, so I retract my former comment.
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Female 751
Hmmm, very interesting post. There are no "right" or "wrong" answers to these questions though, that is why they will never be settled, it`s a matter of perspective and personal knowledge.... very thought provoking!
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Male 460
ithought abortion was murder b/c half of the baby isnt hers but im not gonna get into it so watever
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Male 1,244
I love how the topic is unsolvable arguments, yet people somehow manage to argue in the comment board. To the simple minded fellow like myself, it doesnt seem logical.
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Male 2,245
and if i`m going to say one actual opinionated thing in this thread it is that the flying spaghetti monster is the stupidest f*cking thing i have ever heard of. you are not smart. you are not clever. you are a jaded pompous ass. react to that if you want but i won`t respond.
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Male 2,121
oh and I wanna be immature for a second *cough* penis! *cough*
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Male 2,121
"Citizens of a Government that have NO way of protecting themselves from tyranny will lose in the end. Our country would be much, much different if good citizens all over did not own firearms."

Whilst I agree that America wouldn`t be the same if it wasn`t for the right to own a gun, I think this was only necessary in colonial times (right word? that bit where they were uniting). Americans now see owning a gun as a right like being able to own a house. This makes guns common and easier to obtain illegally.

Personally I feel that you should only own a gun if it is necessary - even here in England it is legal to own a gun if you have a need, many farmers have guns to shoot pests like rats. Guns that are specifically designed to kill people (like machine guns) aren`t very common.

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Male 1,357
They can`t be settled because at the moment most of them cannot be proved. No one agrees to an answer because there is no answer. Only rational and empirical knowledge and this gives our own perspective of what is actually real. And no i wont be re visiting this post so dont start an argument with me.
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Male 21
Thankfully, the argument over Oreo vs. Chips Ahoy was settled out of court 30 years ago.
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Male 174
All of these arguments can be easily surmised with three very important words:

Flying Spaghetti Monster.

You`re all welcome.

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Male 2,422
MrFibbles: mutation and evolution are the same thing because mutation is a change in the genetic code that gets passed on to future generations. Idiot.
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Male 2,245
i can`t believe people are still actually arguing in this thread. nothing happened there is simply a link with words in it.
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Male 311
Thats mutation. not evolution
idiots
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Male 2,796
My thoughts on Gun Control. I am a firm believer in the 2nd amendment btw:

I think the answer to this question is to mandate every single gun owner to attend comprehensive gun-safety as well as self-defense/ tactical courses to own all firearms. (Even hunting rifles) Perhaps even financial and/or psycological evaluation (but this "may" be pushing it)

I think this would be a huge step in making sure the right law abiding citizens can safely have their gun rights. I would say make it a private industry to keep it as far from the Government as possible. (because that is part of the purpose of the 2nd amendment after all)

Citizens of a Government that have NO way of protecting themselves from tyranny will lose in the end. Our country would be much, much different if good citizens all over did not own firearms.

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Male 2,422
If evolution was a bunch of crap how is it that that we have to get a flu shots every single year and that old diseases are becoming more resistant to antibiotics? Either natural selection works and the bacteria (or viruses) that survived the first time around pass that resistance on to the next generation which allows them to survive and create even more. Or God is such a monumental a$$hole that he feels the need to kill us in horribly amusing ways just when we think we have got things under control. Actually the latter has quite a bit of biblical support...
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Male 231
and if any of you disagree with me, im coming over to your house and shooting you with my gun that I legally own. :p
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Male 231
Bacteria flagella is not "irreducibly complex", that argument has been disproved. The only people who claim that evolution is not a fact are ones who are either completely ignorant of the subject, or vastly misinformed.

For proof that the flagella is not irreducibly complex:

http://rnaworld.bio.ku.edu/ribozone/reso...

http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg19...

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn13...

http://www.talkdesign.org/faqs/flagellum...

Female 1,984
xtremegamer: "he said that if there is something about an organism that cannot be broken down into smaller aprts and amde over time through many mutations, then the theory of evolution is no longer valid."
Charles Darwin: "To suppose that the eye [...] could have been formed by natural selection, seems, I freely confess, absurd in the highest degree."

Did you read what he said AFTER THAT?
"Yet reason tells me, that if numerous gradations from a perfect and complex eye to one very imperfect and simple, each grade being useful to its possessor, can be shown to exist; if further, the eye does vary ever so slightly, and the variations be inherited, which is certainly the case; and if any variation or modification in the organ be ever useful to an animal under changing conditions of life, then the difficulty of believing that a perfect and complex eye could be formed by natural selection, though insuperable by our imagination, can hardly be considered real.

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Female 262
There wasn`t meant to be an isn`t on my last post. Eep. Must edit better etc.
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Female 262
As for Darwin... There was de-evolution theory also... No-one ever mentions that.

Would someone please read something from the time of the enlightenment.

And also Darwin isn`t started a theory, doesn`t make it the bulk of the idea. Research.

It`s like thinking all psychology is Freudian.

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Male 4,012
Sorry if that sounded rude and insulting, Bekll. Just got caught in the moment, so to speak.

Intense enthusiasm makes people lose their manners.

Apologies once again.

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Female 262
Translation actually would cause problems in the basic meaning of the text!

For example language evolves with society, as society has and creates new needs it also creates new words, think how Japan had evolved Chinese into their own language.

Now words change meaning and over time words are also lost...

Nostradarmus... not as old as the bible... still major problems in translation due to historical context.

Freud is misunderstood sometimes due to translation difficulties.

English literature, Greek and roman plays... Latin... Always translated by scholars, not always properly.

Same with the bible. Some people dispute certain words as being mistranslations. E.G...Virgin...! some say the translation should really mean `young woman.`

If this is true it changes the WHOLE basis of the NEW testament! The whole miracle narrative would be under written and the powerful nature of God would come into question and so on.


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Male 358
Pabasa- Sorry, man.

It`s a fine line. No one knows who`s going to break a law, (any law) until they do- then they are punished. Gun control is like punishing someone IN CASE they MIGHT do something wrong. It`s a slippery slope. From there, "innocent until proven guilty" goes out the window.

I`m all for stricter enforcement of CURRENT laws and stiffer penalties for breaking them. If you are responsible with your firearms, you will have have nothing to fear.

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Male 4,012
This is getting ridiculous.

We`re arguing in a thread that clearly said that there`s not going to be any winners.

*sigh*

P.S. this is so childish and immature, but I just wanna point out that Bekll hasn`t responded to our claims that she was in error. ^^

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Male 439
It`s funny how people always use the tale of Darwin denouncing evolution on his death bed, or that he was crazy or whatever when that is completely irrelevant. No matter what he did evolution still stands firm today, what he said before he died doesn`t change anything. And the flagella motor is not irreducibly complex.

Every creationist should read the God Delusion so that they can stop coming with these BS arguments over and over again.

All theist argumentation builds on gaps in science...but then again, good luck in trying to come up with some factual evidence to support god ;)

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Female 1,984
5) "If God was using something simple to make us into something complex how does that NOT make sense to even you?" Because why would he have us come about through such a logical process of simplicity evolving into complexity when HE HIMSELF is not a product of it? That, and god does not exist so the situation automatically makes no sense.
6) "But who said I believed in the `primordial soup` anyway?"... uh, the "primordial soup" - i.e., abiogenesis, is a COMPLETELY different subject.
7) Mathematics have proofs via equations.

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Female 1,984
Liquidglass... wow... you really lack knowledge on the subject don`t you?
1) No such thing as an evolutionist. Are people who accept gravity gravitationists?
2) Scientists are looking for more answers on evolution about human ancestors mainly. But not for some "missing link". That was made up by Creationists.
3) Evolution is accepted by 99.8% of scientists in relevant field. It has more evidence for it than cellular theory, tectonic plate
theory and nuclear theory. Yet somehow I don`t think you have blatant doubts about those theories, do you?
4) "Or would you rather reference the fact that Darwin admitted he was wrong. Dumb ass, look up your facts before you write about them." *laughs* Pot... meet kettle. It`s an OLD DEBUNKED MISCONCEPTION that Darwin recanted the theory on his deathbed and `converted` to Christianity.
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Male 1,406
I`m confused as to the alternative of evolution - when does creationism say the earth was formed and humans populated it?
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Male 4,012
Tankity, no problem, it`s just that I feel slighed at how 3 different people can spell my nick in 3 different ways in one single day. Hehe.

And we are at an impasse :-) Personally I think that it`s better to sacrifice the desires of the innocent for the greater good, but your attachment to having firearms gives you a different perspective from my naivity, so you have every single right to hold your views. Yes? :-)

However, I am curious as to what you personally would suggest to prevent these kids grabbing a gun and shooting their bullies, apart from the obvious teach everyone the responsibilities of having a gun. It doesn`t have to be argumentative; I`m not going to fight.

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Male 358
Pabasa- Sorry, man.

It`s a fine line. No one knows who`s going to break a law, (any law) until they do- then they are punished. Gun control is like punishing someone IN CASE they MIGHT do something wrong. It`s a slippery slope. From there, "innocent until proven guilty" goes out the window.

I`m all for stricter enforcement of CURRENT laws and stiffer penalties for breaking them. If you are responsible with your firearms, you will have have nothing to fear.

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Male 1,111
Bekll: Lol so the "theory" explains the so called `fact` rigggght, you sure about that with the missing link? It`s not like evolutionists haven`t been searching for it forever. It was a lot bigger back in the 90`s but I guess they figured out it didn`t exist and gave up.

Or would you rather reference the fact that Darwin admitted he was wrong.

Dumb ass, look up your facts before you write about them.


How exactly does that not make sense? If God was using something simple to make us into something complex how does that NOT make sense to even you?

But who said I believed in the `primordial soup` anyway? That would be the most basic level of simple.

Bekll: one more thing you forget, Man made up math so how exactly are mathematics "fact"? Same thing with science. Ouch that`s gotta hurt.

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Male 1,111
notpluggedin: the only point I really get is that you have a bad cough, in fact it`s so bad you feel compelled to type it each time. I strongly recommend you see a doctor.

keep reading below ;)

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Male 1,111

Lol you`re talking about the old testament which I knew you would and which the Jewish people would still adhere to if it wasn`t illegal. Because in the Bible it also says obey the laws of man, or did you not read that much?

So if the laws of man make it illegal, then you`re following the Bible by following the laws.


and you`re still wrong. I said the BASICS the FOUNDATIONS but if you want to bring up trivial points to make yourself seem right then go right ahead, but read next time before you cough.

You are correct about the translation problems, however you missed two things.
a) That would mean it wasn`t the religions choice to change therefor they haven`t changed to their own knowledge (which contradicts your original point)

b)translation difficulties wouldn`t prevent the main points from being translated when most of them could/were done by word of mouth.

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Male 12,138
vv "But Darwin (if he were alive today) would admit evolution to be false. In one of his books (the one wit hthe really long name which I can`t rmeember) blahblahblah"

Wow, you`ve instantly converted me with your depth of wisdom and knowledge on the subject. Creationism FTW!

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Male 4,012
http://physics.suite101.com/article.cfm/...

Katharine M. J. Osborne defeats anonymous writer of www.notjustatheory.com.

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Male 4,012
"P.S. Man, I should really tone down the lengths of these posts. No one wants to read these. "

BZZZZT.

Arguments are fun to read.

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Male 1,254
Definitely AGit, its proof that internet arguments don`t have to be abrasive and incomprehensible.

But on the point you bring up, I just can`t ever see a world without guns that will be enforceable for every single citizen across the globe. And while there are many reasonable people, human nature shows that some will never abide by the rules under their own will.

So then I see the only way to enforce global gun control is to install a "Big Brother" government. It might be a bit of a stretch, but it helps to show the point.

So again, its a bit of a tradeoff depending on where you stand. And while neither of our views will ever change, its nice to see the pleasant exchange of ideals.

P.S. Man, I should really tone down the lengths of these posts. No one wants to read these. 8-)

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Male 80
poorly written story. My reason is that it is completely biased. You could tell the authors point of view
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Female 1,690
ahhh eeenteresting. gracias.
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Male 4,012
Right, just because it`s being told by a website that has no one to stand up to the claim, made on a single page that is clearly putting on the writer`s opinion (and not fact, although he or she might claim it as a fact).

It`s no better than me giving you this random link I picked saying that the theory of absolute evolution is false!

http://emporium.turnpike.net/C/cs/cartoo...

Really, one needs to have a more reliable source.

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Male 97
im only making one post about this. But Darwin (if he were alive today) would admit evolution to be false. In one of his books (the one wit hthe really long name which I can`t rmeember) he said that if there is something about an organism that cannot be broken down into smaller aprts and amde over time through many mutations, then the theory of evolution is no longer valid.

Such an organism as this are certain bacteria, to be specific the bacteria that have flagella. A flagella is a very small propeller like device that enables the bacteria to move. It is amde up of atleast 60 proteins. If one of those proteins were taken away the flagella would not work properlly which would make the bacteria unable to survive. In the end the flagella is not able to be made gradually with many mutations.

that`s all i will say on this topic so goodbye

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Male 995
Dakkar, even though we disagree in some things, it`s nice to be able to reason with you. Thumbs up
But I... can`t... resist...
"And I don`t know about you, but when a gunman comes into my building with every intention to kill indiscriminately and then willfully commit suicide, I feel a lot safer with a pistol to protect myself. "
I feel a lot safer if the gunman doesn`t have a gun :-P
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Male 1,254
With the toast, I had a friend who claimed the same thing happened with pizza for him, every time he dropped one it landed sauce face down.

Then one night I made pizza and dropped it, landed perfectly crust-side down with not a pepperoni misplaced. My friend was there and the look on his face resembled that of a kid being told Santa doesn`t exist. Heh, good times.

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Male 4,012
ReesesPieces:

The origins of the bread falling buttered side down is a Murphy`s Law.

However, there are conditions that help cause the bread to fall butter on the floor:

1) Butter makes the side of the bread heavier and tends to gravitate downwards
2) The height of the average table is too short allow the bread to make sufficient rotations to get the buttered side up.

Details:

http://everything2.com/title/Murphy%2527...

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Male 14,331
People looking for facts about gun control here`s some for ya showing it dosen`t work.
http://www.justfacts.com/guncontrol.asp
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Female 1,984
Pabasa, go to this: http://www.notjustatheory.com/

Take for instance the following:
Gravity is a fact - the Gravitational Theory describes how gravity works.
Electicity is a fact - the Electromagnetic Theory explains the details of how it operates.
Germs are a fact - the Germ Theory explains how germs cause diseases.
*and* Evolution is a fact - the Evolutionary Theory explains how it works

Also, scientific facts aren`t "100% foolproof". When talking about proofs we`re going into the realm of mathematics.

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Female 1,690
Pabasa:The cat spins indefinitely while hovering over the floor.

lmfao XD and does toast rly ALWAYS land butter side down??

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Male 4,012
That`s the 3rd time this thread someone`s mispelt my nick. Oh well.

Anyway, yes, Tankity, you are correct that guns should be given to the responsible, and taken away when they turn irresponsible. However, ensuring that people *stay* responsible (because people change), and guaranteeing the irresponsible gets their rights taken away, well that`s definitely no easy job. How?

And Bekll, I`m confused. How does theory support fact? Theories are theories because there are exceptions to the conditions set by the theory, and thus, they`re not 100% foolproof. So what do you mean by "theory explains the fact"?

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Female 1,984
auburnjunky, atheists believe in a lot of things - JUST NOT GODS.
And most of us aren`t gnostic in that if there WERE a sufficient amount of evidence for god, we`d accept it... not insist we`re always right no matter what. That`s what the theists do... you`ve got it backwards.
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Male 2,855
evolution leads to think the unicellular chicken came before the dinoegg
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Male 358
DAVY: Put a white blouse on the cat, (with the toast) and dip it`s tail in tomato sauce... The sauce is attracted to the blouse, so the already-spinning cat will now spin random-orbit on two axis, depending the direction of it`s tail.
Mindjob!
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Female 1,984
"you`re being narrow minded and closing yourself to the fact that evolution may be a tool of God"

It doesn`t make sense.

Evolution: Complexity from simplicity
God: Complexity from complexity

I say you are being close minded in denying the Flying Spaghetti Monster of being lord of all pasta! Begone to noodly hell!

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Female 1,984
"Bekll: remember your so called "scientific fact" is really only a theory as the missing pieces have never been filled in, remember the missing link?
- plus, they change all the time, how`s that for a fact?"

*laughs* Evolution is both a scientific theory and fact. The theory explains the fact. And there is no missing link.

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Male 358
Pabasta- You have a point. I support RESPONSIBLE gun-ownership. If your kids get into your guns, you should no longer be allowed to have them.

My kids have no idea how many guns I have, or where I keep them. They have trigger locks on at all times. My Ammo is double-locked in a different part of the house and the keys are hidden in a third part of the house. If someone breaks in, well, that`s what the BAT is for.

I take my older kids to the range to teach them responsible gun-handling and use. It`s fun, it gives them a sense of accomplishment and it teaches them skills on a variety of levels. When we get home, as per routine, they go to their rooms while I put the guns away.

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Female 262
LIQUIDGLASS:

I am talking about how religion is acted upon as reference to the bible... Not how people distort the words of the bible for their own good... Say Westbro Baptist Church.

*Coughs* Different denominations *coughs*

Also there are things we no longer adhere to... Let me know when your slave has been in your care for a certain duration because after her serving you she has the right to marry you or someone she chooses.

And also in the bible... Getting engaged has similar ground to marriage, so if you got enaged you could also get divorced or have the engagement annulled.

No religion is the same after it`s creation, same with ANY textual information.

*coughs* Translation problems *coughs*

I *could* go on... but you get my point.


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Male 358
Armed man = Citizen.
Unarmed man = Subject.
Gun-free Zone = Easy picking.

Gun control laws only keep law-abiding citizens from getting guns. The criminals will get them, regardless of what the law says. Gun control laws only make it EASIER for the criminals to go about their business by removing guns from the homes and stores they want to rob from and the people they want to mug...rape...kill.

My 62-year old mother packs a pistol, (and can out-shoot most men at the gun club) because she`s an easy would-be mugging victim.

Example: College shootings on "gun-free" campuses. If ONE student or teacher had been packing, LESS people would have died.

A gun in hand is better than 100 on the phone.

MOLAN LABE!

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Male 4,012
WRT gun control, I wish there was a statistic on how many lives were saved from them having guns, because I just watched a documentary about the amount of kids going on murdering rampages in schools, using guns they filched from their parents, and it`s effing depressing.
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Female 2,258
Negative_One
"And if you are sitting around debating any of these topics in a public place, you are a douchebubble, and so is the artard you are talking to."
Dude... then everyone on this site is a douche.. also the term douchebubble brings up really disturbing imagery. It`s all in good fun, and I see no harm in that. Hell, there have been people here who I have decided based on flamewars were reprehensible human beings who couldn`t possibly have move than a single functioning braincell only to decide in a less controversial thread were actually pretty cool.

QueenZira... you totally forgot canvas (reusable) bags. Screw all of you with your paper and plastic.

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Male 1,254
Let me code up a recursive function to calculate that Pabasa. I`ll get back to you when the infinite loop exits. :-D
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Male 4,012
Does refuting something that is refutable make it totally irrefutable, or merely irrefutable to those who want to beleive that they are irrefutable?
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Male 1,254
AGit, you`re right, I thought about that and I concede that firearm violence will increase with gun ownership.

What has been shown that other violent crimes, with knives, fisticuffs, forceful muggings and what not do increase with gun control. I believe this in large part due to the fact that these "petty" criminals feel less threatened because superior weapons are not available.

So what it comes down to is whether you feel more threatened by gun violence or `lesser` violent crimes. I see myself in more of the latter situations, hence why I support loose gun control.


Oh, my bad Lazy. Wonderful argument from you. Don`t know what I was thinking, lol.

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Male 4,012
VV Davy:

The cat spins indefinitely while hovering over the floor.

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Male 10,440
My points cannot be refuted because it is impossible to refute them. Obviously some of you didn`t get that part, especially Dakkar.

Anyway, I`m glad at least a few of you agree.

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Male 995
davy`s been reading Alan Moore`s Tomorrow Stories, respect increased
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Male 358
NO-U! {The ultimate argument winner.}
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Female 85
Come on, nobody said anything about Coke vs. Pepsi? I`m disappointed in you people.
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Male 356
When does life begin? When you`re in my fricken phone book.
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Male 1,226
Most of these are actually facts, not arguments...
Lame. Waste of time.
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Male 2,553
and davy you just blew my mind... lol
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Male 2,553
but these arguments still and will always continute
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Male 12,138
#11. If cats always land on their feet, and toast always lands buttered side down, what would happen if you dropped a cat with a piece of toast stapled to its back?
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Female 416
I love how this clearly states that these are arguments that really can`t be won and yet the comments are filled with them.

Yay for arguing for the hell of it!

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Male 995
Dakkar, I must admit that I haven`t got the data either, but I`m sure that if you were to compare murders by fire weapons in places where guns are available (i.e USA) to places where they aren`t (i.e Germany, Spain, France, Portugal, wherever) I`m sure there will be a difference.
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Male 995
davy - "vv Yup, what Lazyme said, 10/10, full marks, I concur 100%."

Lazy me, lazy you... :P

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Male 1,254
"8.- Gun control - No guns, statistically way safer." Haha, just got done with one of these, might as well do another.

The problem with this argument is that it is a vast oversimplification. The fact is, there are no guns, and as such there are no lawful outlets to purchase weapons. This indeed makes it more difficult to obtain them illegally, but with enough money, anyone could purchase enough arms to support a small army over black markets. And if people really want to kill, they will spend that money.

And the police cannot be counted on to quickly respond to every disturbance. I don`t have the exact facts handy but I`m pretty sure DC and Chicago, despite very restrictive gun laws, are up on the list of violent crime cities.

And Texas towns provide good evidence that loose gun laws will not create "Wild West Shootouts".

The problem, especially with gun control, is everyone wants to see it black and white, but there are far too many variables to justify t

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Male 1,765
1. Evolution.
2. Both have a great deal of importance, but I think nurture influences the most.
3. Ban guns.
4. Yes for euthanasia. People have the right to live, not the duty to do so. Besides, if one wants to die, let it be in a dignifying, desirable way.
5. Death penalty? No. Are you going to punish death with death? That`s hypocritical.
6. Pro-life. As far as I`m concerned, life begins and conception. Abortion is, in a way, murder.
7. I dunno. I don`t think anyone does.
8. Relative. (I love the Calvin & Hobbes cartoon)
9. Evolution leads to think the egg came first.
10. A question no one can answer. There is, of course, no evidence he does exist. The only thing that leads one to believe he does exist is Faith... To me, he does exist, tangible evidence or not. Can science prove everything? I don`t think so. Does science contradict religion, or vie-versa? I don`t think so either.
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Male 12,138
vv Yup, what Lazyme said, 10/10, full marks, I concur 100%.
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Male 1,254
"3. Americans nor any other civilian should have a gun, at all. A persons safety is superior to anther`s `right to hunt`."

Right, because the Constitutional Right of bearing of arms is really meant for hunting and not for the protection of people against despotic governments.

And I don`t know about you, but when a gunman comes into my building with every intention to kill indiscriminately and then willfully commit suicide, I feel a lot safer with a pistol to protect myself. The police aren`t going to respond that quickly, VA Tech is a tragic example of that fact.

Of course, I`m not saying that I`m correct. I am just citing a fact and an example to refute your obviously ill-conceived argument.

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Male 995
10 .- Evolution seems the most likely (I really like the "When people starting postulating that the Earth was not the center of the universe, it gave way to the rise in questioning the idea of a seven-day creation and God’s role in creating the Earth" thing, people started postulating that more than 2 millennia ago...
9.- Nature give the glass, but you have to fill it
8.- Gun control - No guns, statistically way safer
7.- Euthanasia - all for it, if somebody wants to die, it`s his/her choice
6.- Two wrongs don`t make a right (3 lefts do)
5.- Pro choice, it`s not your body dammit! She always has first call
4.- Free will, hopefully. Alternative strips of any kind of personal responsability.
3.- Ethics are relative, you just have to pop around here to see that, or watch any 80`s action film
2.- Egg, duh.
1.- God exists as a concept
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Male 439
LazyMe: Your points can be refuted since you don`t support them with any facts. Like #3, do you have any numbers that the total amount of guns in a country has any bearing on the number of deaths related to guns? Do you know of any studies proving that #2 is undeniably so? For #10 we cannot say that a god does not exist, we can however say that it is very unlikely. And so forth.
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Male 21
#10 we have no reason to exist iether other than the fact we do
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Male 1,765
"9. The chicken. This is a rehash of #1"

What? No. Evolution proves hard eggs came first.

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Male 10,440
Lets get to it.

1. Evolution. Creation is for morons.
2. The way you were raised obviously determines what your views as an adult are.
3. Americans nor any other civilian should have a gun, at all. A persons safety is superior to anther`s `right to hunt`
4. Euthanasia is an acceptable means of suicide. To think otherwise is downright masochistic.
5. The Death Penalty is acceptable for mass murder cases in a society that cannot economically support life in prison.
6. Life technically begins at conception, but human rights begin at birth. That is the point of sentience, so abortion is acceptable
7. Free will. Destiny is for morons.
8. The good of the many outweighs the good of the few. Differences in the values of societies are those societies` faults.
9. The chicken. This is a rehash of #1.
10. God does not exist merely because there is no reason for it to exist.

These points cannot be refuted because its impossible to refute them.

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Male 21
oh and the argument about free will is flawed because christianity states that god gave us free will so in that case the argument is based on incorrect facts, i pelieve it is science that questions free will, if all we are is chemical reactions when you break us down how can we choose? also if time is maped out, like a dimension then there could be choice but what you choos is inevitable
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Male 1,766
New Debate: Turkey or Ham?
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Male 21
the egg obviosly came first, as to say at some point two almost chickens had an egg and in that egg was the "real" chicken, there has to be some point where one species becomes another, and this is it
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Male 245
god bless america...
that we fight just for the hell of it.
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Male 14,331
vv Then why stop there ban tobacco, Booze, sharp objects.
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Female 43
"Why should one group’s rights to bear arms be stripped away because another group feels unsafe?"

Maybe to save lives?
Makes all of you NRA members sound pretty selfish, huh?

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Male 295
I lost interest after looking at the first one.
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Male 4,012
Ya know, as someone with convictions, I`m just waiting (and I`m sure a hellota other people here do to) for the day that I can say:

"Told you so!"

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Male 439
"Better question is, prove to me there ISN`T a big man in the sky."

Will get right on that after you disprove the celestial tea pot and the flying spaghetti monster. The whole "you can`t disprove god" argument is incredibly invalid.

The creationism question is also interesting, but not because of the pointless debate. Why is a god the default when we don`t know something? "I don`t know how this came to be, so it must be like this because god made it so! How obvious!".

Euthanasia and death penalty are hard though, as it is hard to present facts in regards to these topics.

And evolution...anyone denying evolution is unfit to be in a debate anyways. Denying evolution is equal to closing your eyes, putting your hands over your ears and screaming as fast as someone says something you don`t agree with.

As for abortion, It`s up to the individual. The real question here is how much say should the dad have, not god.

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Female 767
I win God debates.
(:
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Male 10,338
Yes it is possible amber.

God created everything, and it evolved into what it is today.

What`s so wrong with having a creator? Is it pride?

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Female 308
Ha...I pretty much have given up on the Creation vs. Evolution argument. I see no point in arguing with people who will never change their minds.
PS. I believe in both...and it is possible
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Male 732
Evolution vs. Creation never was an issue.
Evolution is a proven fact, period.
Also, Evolution and Creation are not mutually exclusive.
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Male 5,970
The only argument I would want to get into (which, I am still not going to) would be the chicken or the egg argument :D
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Male 10,338
Evolution has been proved shorts. Problem is, who set it in motion.

Better question is, prove to me there ISN`T a big man in the sky.

Dolt.

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Male 10,338
I could forgive him, but I wouldn`t mind seeing him fry.
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Female 675
pahaha
evolution WILL be proved eventually.
Now proving that theres a giant man in the sky who is perfect and created everyone... slightly harder to prove lol
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Male 10,338
I`m not Athiest ty, but the problem is Athiests can`t debate.

"I`m right! You`re wrong! I`m better than you because I believe in nothing!"

Like a bunch of kids arguing over who`s turn is it is to pull the cat`s tail.

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Male 69
"death penalty should be banned!"
Yeah its easy to say that when I bet none of your family members have been murdered. And you cannot say that you would be able to forgive a man that kills your family, because then you would be lying....
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Male 69
ugg how come everyone on these forums is always an athiest? its so hard to get backed up....
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Male 2,313
"gigglygiggle

They forgot #11:

Which came first, the chicken or the egg?"

Someone didn`t read the article.

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Male 69
"death penalty should be banned!"
Yeah its easy to say that when I bet none of your family members have been murdered. And you cannot say that you would be able to forgive a man that kills your family, because then you would be lying....
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Male 10,338
Opinions, every one.
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Male 1,266
Evolution.
A mix of both.
Too many guns already in the market to change now.
Good if for the right reasons.
Same as above.
Abortion.
Free will.
Relative.
Egg (dinosaurs laid them before chickens did).
Probably not.

See simple :P

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Male 162
death penalty should be banned!
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Male 1,111
Bekll: remember your so called "scientific fact" is really only a theory as the missing pieces have never been filled in, remember the missing link?
- plus, they change all the time, how`s that for a fact?

It would be impossible for something/someone to evolve without a member of the species dying that was half way evolved.

Also you`re being narrow minded and closing yourself to the fact that evolution may be a tool of God if in fact creationism is true. Just like the big bang may also be.

-most people would say it`s the egg, and most people are also dumb asses, look up stats for average iqs and the public choices made.

megann_exoh: you`re forgetting something with the death penalty, keeping people in prison, rightly or wrongly accused without exception wastes money, a lot more than no euthanasia.

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Male 1,111
notpluggedin: while I agree with your view that scientific "facts" change constantly. I`m curious what you`re basing your religion comment on. Major religions haven`t changed their foundations since their inception. Given there are `rouge` people in every religion who modify it to their own beliefs and claim it as original. But the basics of major religions have never changed.

for example: the crusades (in case you decided to bring it up) it was a bunch of dumb asses who decided they would go to war and put the Lord into it to make it seem justifiable to them. They would also kill other people who didn`t agree with them, why? because they perverted the Bible and it`s teachings, but one "small" event (in the broader spectrum of history it is small) doesn`t change the basics.

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Male 1,111

Even jihads have perverted the Koran/Quran (whichever spelling you prefer) it is a beautiful book with teachings throughout (if you chose to follow them) otherwise it`s still a good read. But do they change the basis of the religion and it`s teachings? No.

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Female 262
F*ck messing time up with a time machine... I don`t care about that... I want to see dinosaurs!
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Female 710
Any arguments that can`t be won are usually either right on both sides or because there simply is no answer. Like to find out how everything was created, you`d have to go back to the beginning in a time machine, and we don`t even know if time machines can possibly be made without messing everything up. And if it turns out that a time machine can`t be made, then we`ll never have absolute proof how things began.
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Female 262
That makes no sense how is "a scientific fact" more plausible?

EASY! Scientific fact as we chose to call it is open to change and evolution of ideas, and with new research and new evidence it can provide us with new thought, new knowledge and things we never thought possible. Religion does change, but it refuses to admit so and keeps harping on about there being one true answer. Science gives you more than one perspective and doesn`t whine when you question it, in fact science would prefer it if you did. Does that answer your question?

NODAR:"oh, and all these arguments can be won....with my fist" THIS COMMENT IS WIN!

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Female 1,264
"which is more plausible? A scientific fact or delusional nonsense?"

That makes no sense how is "a scientific fact" more plausible?

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Female 688
lmfao fatex
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Male 1,129
the chicken or the egg one is easy. The answer is neither. Everyone knows the rooster came first. ;)
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Female 688
1) both evolution and creation.
Someone created litthe things, and knew they were gonna evolve to us.
2) nuture.
3) to hell with guns.
your asking for trouble if you allow them to be legal.
4) euthanasia ftw.
if you wanna die, go ahead. its saving money for everyone else in the long run too, so everyone wins.
5) fluck the death penalty.
you can relese a wrongly imprisoned person, you cant revive a wrongly executed one.
6) pro choice
7) everything is pre-determined except your choice of becoming christian/muslim/buddhist etc.
8) morals are relative.
9) the chicken. (if they existed) adam and eve wern`t born, they were simply there.
10) i dont even know. its just one of those things lol

all above are obviously my own opinions, dont be hating if you dont agree LOL. i`d like to have a good discussion with someone about this actually. any takers?

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Male 231
oh, and all these arguments can be won....with my fist
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Male 222
They forgot #11:

Which came first, the chicken or the egg?

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Male 231
the person who wrote that is an idiot
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Male 97
Luckily all these questions can be answered by the Quran...just look it up.
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Female 1,984
notpluggedin, most would say it`s the egg.
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Female 262
Bekll... That is just their view point... Other websites may claim different evidence...! It`s all just views people... nothing set, always changing, always with new ideas and new arguments. Even though you are `trying` to find the asnwers the post is clearly stated that you can`t...
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Female 262
Great... Now this forum is going to have interwebz peoples viewpoints on it more than normal... Because thats what the webz needs... More people cramming their views at us.

I opt out...!

drat... I didn`t did I...

Keeping on the topic... Arguments that can`t be answered... yet.

Because I am hoping science will cure of us God and all his moral implications.

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Female 1,984
"The chicken or the egg?"
This has been answered actually. It`s the egg.
http://science.howstuffworks.com/genetic...

"That debate can then be transferred to our own existence, which leads into the argument of Evolution or Creation."
What idiot listed this on there? Oh yeah... which is more plausible? A scientific fact or delusional nonsense? What a doozy.

And look at Switzerland. We have the most guns and yet the murder and robber rates/etc. are incredibly low.

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Male 1,111
Lawviz

Oh yeah I understand where you`re coming from but I was just using a different point of view. That a being the created us would be considered out `god` even if he/she/it didn`t fit our normal definitions.

interesting point though.

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Male 845
1.Created design, then we evolved from there
2.Nurture
3.Bad
4.Good
5.Good
6.Abortion
7.Free will
8.Relative
9.Egg
10.No


Problems solved.


Ps. the creative design was not by a god, it was by a more advanced being.

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Male 213
As far as the gun control goes: we are terribly efficient creatures. If true gun control was imposed and all guns were removed or culled to insignificance then we would just find another way to maim each other. I vote two-by-fours.
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Male 69
Evolution not Creation, Nurture not Nature, Gun Control is good, Euthanasia is good, the Death Penalty is good, Abortion is good, Free Will not Destiny, Morals I have no idea, the Egg and finally No.

Whew.

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Male 901
Gun control is the easiest argument to win, because of the statistics.
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Male 429
Liquidglass, I`m just saying God could be a mortal/living organism/same class as we are, just intelligent enough to create a living cell. All it takes is that one cell to mutate, self replicate, and evolve to the creatures we see today...and us...maybe a few more cells since most of em die from environmental crud, lol.
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Male 1,111
Lawviz, well wouldn`t that be "God" even if didn`t fit out definitions?

Although a huge mouse cursor would be interesting lol

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Male 1,111
While I`m sure there are those that would love to disagree with me I have a few of the points that I believe I could clarify.

Free will. It is an absolute. For arguements sake if you don`t believe then assume God exists and knows the choices we will make. The best way to explain this is. God has read the book, but He didn`t write it. For example in more relative terms. If you could see the future, just a minute or two into it. You would know the choices someone would make, but let`s assume you wouldn`t attempt to influence these choices. Then even though you know what is going to happen it is still their choice that ultimately leads up to the outcome. It is also your choice to influence these choices or not by taking one away or persuading the person. Then they have to chose based on this new development. It`s all choice. Otherwise, what`s the point?

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Euthanasia, Abortion, Gun control: All of these come down to one thing: Choice. You chose euthanasia, you chose abortion, and you chose to get and use a gun. To assist in any of these is also choice. But if people believe in destiny then you really don`t have a part in the arguement. Because according to that doctrine no matter what the person does it will happen.

Lastly the chicken or the egg. The chicken ALWAYS has to come first, creationism or evolution. An egg couldn`t just appear and hatch without proper care. Also it`s more likely an animal (if you`re an evolutionist) that would qualify as a modern day chicken and rooster would have been before the egg rather than a solitary chicken.


So let`s see, that`s 5 of the 10 arguments that can`t be won, just well, won.

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Female 1,264
I`m surprised the whole article was unbiased. You could learn a thing or two from this I-A-B. For shame.
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Male 429
Maybe in the distant past some super intelligent species created real living cells, and kept them alive when they were on `earth`. Maybe its like a Spore game to them (without a huge mouse cursor over our heads every now and then)...and they are the `Gods` of the living organisms that are on Earth.
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Male 429
Wait..question...is "god" something that created us? And what makes us think there`s such thing as heaven/hell? Hell if I stop playing Sims, they don`t go to Sim hell or heaven, they go to `deletion`. Besides, maybe god only created single cells. Its those cells that evolved and gotten out of control and eventually evolved into us and we starting thinking someone created us. its like some dude posted a video of himself and it evolved into a fad and went on to a viral video and got out of hand. Did that guy create the fad? Yes. Can the guy who created the video control the popularity he receives? No. What makes him feel the need to accommodate the fans he gets from his video? Or some hellish place for those who hate it?
I`m just saying...`god` really does exist if you mean "creator".
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Male 4,012
*brain hurts*

Right, I gotta go. Thanks for sharing, everyone. And thanks to Medi and Boadicea for expanding my knowledge and views of people.

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Female 1,436
Mmmm. . . boring . . . after I stated my opinions. . . I heart you guys!
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Female 1,677
Pabasa: Ah ok. I see what you`re saying. I don`t think your point got mangled so much as I tend to read too much into things (I am sometimes a bit defensive.. haha). But I think we`re mostly on the same page now.

Alright everybody, good talk!

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Male 2,076
Really? People are arguing on here? Wow.
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Male 4,012
amaqdrinker:

Right. Afterlife rewards/punishment is just the bonus.

And really, there`s a very thin line between atheism and theism from the bigger perspective. It`s when we get down to nitpicking that we find the arguments about God vs No God.

I mean we all aim for the same greater good.

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Boadicea:

Nope, as any sane person would beleive, I know people are all different. Not saying theists would automatically jump into the river to save a life, nor would all atheist think about the expected rewards before saving another`s life.

And my point must have gotten mangled up somewhere: I did say that everyone is selfish. In fact, religious people are probably more selfish, because they (we?) are more strongly driven by the rewards and punishment of the afterlife. I`d think a 1000x before drinking any alcohol, not only because alcohol has plenty of drawbacks, but it`s reinforced by the fact that my religion says getting drunk is punishable.

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Male 341
Wtf? What happened to Ninja vs Pirate?
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Female 1,436
I thought it was a gay shotgun. . . damn, am I lost again?
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Male 2,245
medi, no religion actually advocates doing good simply for a reward. that`s just a common misconception of people who are unfamiliar with a religions actual teachings.
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Male 54
Oh Geez! LooOOOK at that time?! Man, totally got away from me... What?! What`s this?! A busload of preschoolers? What`s that doing here? Fancy that. Yeah... so... the time... I... Hey... I think I hear a gay chicken hatching...
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Male 54
Pabasa,

Sometimes, I think people do good just for the sake of doing good.

Some one once said "If we only do good to reap a benefit after death then we are a sorry lot indeed" - (can`t remember who said that... and that`s not verbatim).

While I am religious I don`t think we should only do good for a reward. I figure if you always intend to do good then God will sort it out.

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Female 1,677
Pabasa: I think it comes down to each individual person, but for the most part I think people are compassionate and caring and can see themselves in others. Like I recognize that as a human being, I enjoy being happy and as such assume other people would like to be happy as well. So I should help where I can. Of course selfishness is a part of everybody, but if I came upon somebody drowning, I wouldn`t immediately think "Hmm, what would I get if I deigned to help this guy" I would think "Holy crap what can I do" because I would want somebody to do something if I was drowning.

Also, are you implying that theists would save a drowning person without thinking about the benefit to themselves? Because in MY opinion, people who believe in god and who are moral according to the bible and whatever aren`t exactly selfless. They`re acting in their own self-interest but with a goal of achieving eternal life (heaven or whatever), so does that make them any less selfish?

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Female 1,436
Oh, it was a joke guys!!!! Killing a bunch of kids is wrrrrrrrrroooooong.

*squints around at everyone. . . and whispers - are you ready Medi, Six and Amaqdrinker. . . we have to tiptoe outta this SOB. . . people are on to us. . . here`s a beer. . .*

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Male 4,012
Boadicea:

Oh no, I didn`t mean morality is a religious concept. It is a human concept.

I just wanted to know what rewards or punishment you expect for doing good or evil, because really, if there`s no reward for doing good, you won`t do good, and if there`s no punishment for doing evil, people (in theory anyway) wouldn`t be doing evil.

In your case, you do good because you expect people to do good to you in return. Excellent. Understood.

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Male 54
Boadicea,
I think many people wonder if it was human nature that injection those concepts of morality into religion... or if it is because you were raised in a country with strong religious influences that you form that concept of morality.

Pabasa,
I think it was C.S. Lewis who mentioned the argument of risking or losing your own life to help another. Because, it is likely that I might lose my life there is no evolutionary purpose for me to risk it. His assumption is that there was a high level of morality that went beyond just the physical morality of wants and desires.

USFEmoGirl,
*chug, chug, chug* ...and we...*chug*...wait...*chug, chug*... and... *chug*...we wait...*chug*

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Male 2,245
no but seriously guys murdering preschoolers is wrong, you shouldn`t do that
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Female 1,677
Also I just want to say that having an abortion and killing a busload of children is very much NOT comparable. A busload of children would feel fear and pain and would generally just not appreciate being hacked to death by a bunch of IABers. Meanwhile, a fetus, essentially a clump of cells, has no measurable interest in surviving. Sure it would appreciate it if it grew into something that WOULD have an interest in living, but it`s up to the woman whether that point will be reached. To force a woman to remain pregnant when she doesn`t want to (and her reasons are no one`s business but her own) in the interests of a clump of cells is insane. You would be forfeiting a living, thinking beings rights in favor of the rights of a POTENTIAL living thinking being. To me, that`s sick.
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Medi:

Oh no, there`s definitely no correct answer. In fact I am anticipating personal views on the matter, just as any theist would also give differing views.

Thanks for your view. I think I see where you`re coming from. Nevertheless, I think that we as humans are extremely selfish creatures, and if the risk to self is big enough, we won`t do it. Expanding your example, if I was drowning in a river, you wouldn`t save me unless you had a personal reward for doing so, because at the same time you are risking your own life as well.

I am curious as to what drives people to do good and stop people from doing bad, apart from laws set by the society itself.

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Female 1,677
Pabasa,

As an atheist, I have to say that I think it`s ridiculous for people to think morality is non-existent without a god. What`s the point in being good/nice to people or in general? Well, I personally like to be treated nicely and with respect, so why should I not show the same courtesy to others? I`m not nice out of fear of being damned, I`m nice to others because I want them to be nice to me. The Golden Rule. I don`t see why god has to come into play at all.

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Female 1,436
*hand Medi a weapon and a beer* . . . now we wait. . . now we wait. . .
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Male 54
USFEmoGirl,

I wasn`t going to get in on the bus-slaughtering because I find it immoral. But, then everyone starting doing it and I felt the peer pressure. Quick, someone get me a weapon!

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Female 1,436
Amaqdrinker and Six:

WTF - I thought we had a job to do?! That bus isn`t going to wait forever. We NEED to save humanity - and prove a point. Geez - men.

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Male 54
ESFEmoGirl,

Haha... you pretty much have the gist of it. I don`t think I could`ve explained it any clearer than that.

Really, this conversation should include alcohol... but I have to work tomorrow. :-(

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Male 54
Razamire, not necessarily because most contraceptives prevent the sperm from contacting the egg (i.e. condom) or from ovulation from occurring (most birth control, IUS). Because no fertilization is occurring no abortion is occurring.

And... I`m staying out of the fray between Baalthazag and blueguy543... but I`m supporting Baalthazag on this issue. Sorry blueguy543... it was good while it lasted. :-(

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Baalthazaq

if it counts for something, I believe the fetus is alive only after a certan point. if you have somehting growing inside you, then yes its alive

but if you take the morning after pill, I dont really see that as aborting a living being.

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Male 2,245
you know, cause that`s just how i am, i help people out. i`d help someone slaughter a busload a preschoolers, none of my business to tell him whats wrong and what`s right, i`m just here to lend a helping hand. and after a nice long day of killing toddlers, i`d probably go have me a sit on the back porch, crack open some brews light up the pipe and just strum away on my banjo, right next to that old bayou... yut.
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Male 54
Pabasa,

There is an evolutionary theory to being "good". For example, if your life is in danger I have two choices (1)leave you and keep walking (2)help you out and save your life.

Although the one requiring the least work is to just leave you, I am more likely to reap greater longer term benefits (adding in my survival) from assisting you. For example, I may get some of that gay from helping you. But, if I didn`t I would be gayless :-(.

So, behaviors typically perceived as "good" as ones that are likely to produce a better chance of long-term positive benefits in a primitive society. Of course, our society has developed beyond that original evolutionary sandbox so the effects of "good" and "bad" have changed.

I`m not saying it`s the correct answer. I`m definitely theist. But, it`s good to consider both sides of the argument.

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Male 28
sixclaws13

*sigh* maybe the way I put what I said wasnt the best way to say what I was trying to say.

while I understand both sides of the arguement, slaughtering a bus load of kids isnt the same as aborting a kid. it is a diffrent circumstance for every person who goes through this controversial ordeal.

on one hand, what if its some dumb 16 yo girl that did it out of stupidity? its her choice.

on the other hand, what if its a drug addict who has sex for coke? should the baby be born addicted to drugs and crap like that? no

while there are hundreds of different circumstances for abortion and the reasons people do it, it just cant be lumped into one big "DONT DO IT" or "LEAVE THEM ALONE"(now I feel like a hypocrite =/)

I leave people alone in the hopes that they will return the favor when I desire to be left alone

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Female 660
see sixclaw would compare pre-schooler to a fertalised egg,just as some of my old classmate.But they see prevention in the same light,which bothers me more.
Every time I don`t get pregnant,wouldn`t it be the same? (I have a IUS btw,look it up if you don`t know what it is)
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Male 4,546
Blueguy: Again, restricting the rights of slave owners to own slaves is bad. It`s not "pro-choice" to allow them the "choice" of keeping them. Furthermore, the argument against keeping slaves doesn`t revolve around restricting the rights of the owners.

The basis is that your rights cannot infringe upon the rights of others. In the case of slave ownership, the argument was "Blacks are people too, and therefore deserve rights". In the case of abortion, the argument, at it`s core, is the same for the unborn.

Pro lifers believe the fetus is alive/human.
Pro choicers generally do not.

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Female 1,436
Medi:

Ok, so the gay shotgun came first, then the man had an egg from the store that he lost and then found again and aborted it again??? RIGHT???

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sixclaws13
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
1434 Posts Tuesday, November 18, 2008 10:23:15 PM
"blueguy543
on the abortion debate.

PRO CHOICE!!!!!

if its not your business then why get involved? right?"

Yup, so if you walk by and I`m slaughtering a busload of pre-schoolers, don`t worry about it, it`s none of your business.

Ahahaha! Can I join you?

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Male 4,012
blueguy543: Well, at it`s core, if you beleive in God(s), you`re definitely not an atheist. And AFAIK agnosticism is simply rejection of organized religion, so I guess you still count?

I have a question to atheists. Disclaimer: I do not intend to ask this question as an argument, nor as an insult, or similar concepts. It is merely something that is answered by in religion but is (as far as I know) unanswered by those who have no faith in Judgements:

Why do people do good and do evil, even though there is no reward (in many religions, heaven) for being nice and good, like saving the life of other people, nor punishment (hell) for doing bad stuff like rape and stealing?

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Male 2,245
sixclaws if you were slaughtering a busload of preschoolers i would definitely help you out. that`s a lot of preschoolers for one guy to kill, you`d probably get tired.
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Male 28
Baalthazaq

if you want to lose you sanity go to 4chans /b/ board. it will make you lose your mind O_o

medi

I thought it was the gay egg that came from the shotgun which aborted the chicken.
im so confused -_-

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Male 54
Me and sixclaws13 agree on pretty much everything. We`re buddies.
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Male 2,313
"blueguy543

on the abortion debate.

PRO CHOICE!!!!!

if its not your business then why get involved? right?"

Yup, so if you walk by and I`m slaughtering a busload of pre-schoolers, don`t worry about it, it`s none of your business.

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Male 2,313
Hey guys, I actually have the answers. Here they are:

Evolution or Creation? - both
Nature vs. Nurture - nurture in most cases, nature in some, such as a mental illness, etc.
Gun control - criminals shouldn`t have guns, others should if they want
Euthanasia - if you want to die, go for it
The Death Penalty - only in extreme cases
Abortion or Pro-life? - pro-life
Free will or Destiny? - a little of both
Morals – Relative or Universal? - relative
The chicken or the egg? - the platypus
Does God Exist? - yes

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Male 54
bluyguy543,

I agree that we should stay out of people`s business. The question is "when does apathy create a danger to life?"... I don`t want to talk about it.

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Male 4,546
Tacos... the gay argument isn`t one of the 10.

So at best, 4 out of 11 solved.


... I`m going to go now... I`m going to assume most of you are joking... but mainly I`m backing away just to protect my sanity from the possibility that a couple of you aren`t.... wow that`s a scary thought.

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Male 54
Tacos4Brkfst,

I`m all for gay marriage... but I saw it when he first did it. I thought it was a little extreme. I thought he was going to cry at any moment.

Razamire,
Yeah, I`ve been trying to avoid the whole pregnant thing. Luckily, I was born with a `Y` chromosome instead of that pesky `X` one. Definitely helpful. ;-)

USFEmoGirl,

Yeah, pretty much... it was the gay shotgun that came from the egg which aborted the chicken.

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Male 2,245
WOW


Kieth Olbermann is PISSED!

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Male 28
argenteus

you are absolutely right. but we werent on the subject of chauvinistic people. I hate anyone that gets in others personal bubbles.

Baalthazaq

I will stand up for someone whos rights are being abused. but I dont see an issue. I see it as you are limiting their freedom. if you tell them they cant do something thats not right.

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Male 54
blueguy543,

I suppose that reflects the argument all along. Honest citizens who legally purchase guns do not commit crimes. One thing which I strongly support (as does the NRA) are better background checks and stiffer penalties for gun crimes and violating gun laws.

And about the agnostic question. Because you believe in God you are a theist. You`re just not a Christian theist. Hope that helps. :-)

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Female 1,436
Medi: OOOOOOOOOOOOO - I knew I got lost somewhere! Now, I am all caught up. So the egg came first right? Or was it the gays??
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Female 660
yeah it`s very vague. Oh and the school was very old school roman catholics. The type with nuns with rulers and uniforms and students sneaking off and getting pregnant , very very vague
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Female 1,436
Tacos4Brkfst: you are killing the debate! We can`t use that much logic!!!!
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Male 54
USFEmoGirl,

Well, it all started with this guy and a gun who remarkable was born with the gay (or so he claims) who then bought an egg that hatched into a chicken which was concerned about being aborted and suddenly realized gay is right. Obviously. Keep up!

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Male 28
Medi

the only flaw I can find with you interesting factoid is that is the LEGAL ownership of guns is highest in rural areas. we all know there are hundreds if not thousands of un-registered guns in gang related cities(eg. DC, LA, ect.)

just a random question

am I agnostic if I believe in heaven and hell?(I believe in god, but not biblical peoples. like Jesus lol)

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Female 1,436
Medi: there`s nothing like having a little wet spot and some kind of snotty liquid on your shirt.

Ah, too much, too much?

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Male 620
oh, and as far as gay stuff is concerened...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JalfEfZVk...

4 of 10 solved, im on a roll.

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Male 54
ESFEmoGirl,

Haha, I`ve been told I needed to add a little fashion flair. I think that`ll do the trick, haha.

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Female 1,436
Hey - when did we get on the "is gay right" debate?? Me confused. . .
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Male 54
Razamire,

I completely understand. I`m Catholic (and very happy to be one), but birth control is one of those things I kinda question. If there`s no actually life being taken I don`t see the problem. I understand abortion... but birth control as bad is a bit of a sin. I`m surprised you`ve run into that situation so much. Most Catholics agree with contraceptives.

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Male 265
Um, blueguy, I could apply your argument just as easily to straight people.

"Ugh, I just hate those people who are excessively straight. I mean, what`s up with them trying to feel you up in public?"

Maybe it`s not so much homosexuality as it is just certain people.

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Female 1,436
Medi: you`re not a jerk. you are just becoming an IABer - that`s all. Ah, the snot added a little color to the shirt. . . right?
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Male 4,546
Ugh. "PROCHOICE. If it`s not your business why get involved? Right?"

Because they believe it`s a person who is being deprived of rights.

Hence:
Hey, I don`t own any slaves, I guess I`ll just stay out of the debate on if that`s ok, let the slave owners choose. Right?

Hey, I don`t beat *MY* kids, I guess I`ll just stay out of the whole child abuse thing. It`s their choice right?

Etc etc etc etc for a trillion other scenarios.

If you believe someone`s rights are being abused, you should step in and prevent that abuse. You should not rely on the abuser to do so.

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Male 54
Baalthazag,

Now, if you threw in a gay chicken with a shotgun... would that change anything?

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Male 620
Baalthazaq, that makes no sense. Sounds like the blaberings of a madman....

genetic material does not change during an animal`s life. Problem solved, its all that needs to be said. Spend all day trying to define the moment a non chicken laid a chicken egg, I wont be losing sleep on the subject =p

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