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422 Responses to The Atheist Delusion

  1. Profile photo of patchouly
    patchouly Male 40-49
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    November 7, 2008 at 8:06 pm
    Link: The Atheist Delusion - This guy`s indisputable Biblical proof that atheists are deluded and stupid. Take that Atheists!
  2. Profile photo of Bekll
    Bekll Female 18-29
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    November 7, 2008 at 10:37 pm
    This is an old satire made by EdwardCurrent. He`s an atheist himself... genius.

    But, again... old. *yawns*

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    WhenIsLunch Male 18-29
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    November 7, 2008 at 10:42 pm
    wow dueshiness, does he hate all religions then?
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    chimpman93 Male 13-17
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    November 7, 2008 at 10:43 pm
    ah at first i thought it was serious, i was about to die lol. i love how being faithful is so good nowadays, even when faith is the highest form of ignorance. faith=blind,unlogical
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    Narninian Male 18-29
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    November 7, 2008 at 10:46 pm
    Whats with this sight constantly posting and reposting atheist propoganda.
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    lemmingboy15 Male 18-29
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    November 7, 2008 at 10:54 pm
    why does this site constantly post flamebait?
    maybe they could post some videos talking about the works of behe, anselm, aquinas, and other christian theologists? doubt it will happen....

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    GothicQueen Male 13-17
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    November 7, 2008 at 11:07 pm
    O.o....

    I believe in Higher Powers and I still found this to be f*cking hilarious because I know it`s goan piss off the hardcore religious folk

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    Lionhart2 Male 40-49
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    November 7, 2008 at 11:20 pm
    Sorry Gothic, I`m a Reformed Calvinist Christian which is about as hardcore as you can get, and I found it hilarious too. The guy`s ignorance of the subject he was piss-taking was evident from first point, where he misquotes scripture (God made the heaven*S*, ie the sky, not the Heaven place) to the last point (there are 3 aspects of God, not 2 - Father, Son and Holy Spirit - that`s why "they" are called The Holy Trinity). I wasn`t the least bit offended, because statements like "science and reason have no place in religion" are so laughable they jsut prove what a douchebag he is. No Christian was EVER afraid of science and reason, our Faith cannot fail any test science produces, so bring it on!
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    Saragato Female 18-29
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    November 7, 2008 at 11:24 pm
    "why does this site constantly post flamebait?"

    Because we can`t always have cute animals and crotch shots. :)

  10. Profile photo of Lionhart2
    Lionhart2 Male 40-49
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    November 7, 2008 at 11:27 pm
    > Saragato
    > Because we can`t always have cute animals and crotch shots

    And balls. Never forget the IAB balls.

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    jessie789 Female 13-17
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    November 7, 2008 at 11:28 pm
    i would love to show a few ppl this video...
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    NerdBurger Female 13-17
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    November 7, 2008 at 11:36 pm
    I dont really know what to say, im christian and i love God. even though this has some innacuracies, i found it funny, poeple should stop being so grumpy and lighten up. have fun, yeah?


    *SMILES*

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    LazyMe484 Male 18-29
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    November 7, 2008 at 11:40 pm
    Observe the dull incompetence of the religious mind. It tries helplessly to justify its existence with its unique self-destructing logic.

    Someone like this reminds me of a sewer pipe constantly regurgitating waste into an already defiled society.

    Christians have been afraid of science and reason for centuries, simply because its so efficient at disproving everything they hold dear. Faith has failed every test science has ever bothered to try.

    Oh, on the plus side, I liked the video.

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    pariahnola Male 18-29
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    November 7, 2008 at 11:40 pm
    you know the more he kept talking the more i thought that this was support for athiest instead of christians cause everything that he said was nothing that would make a solid argument
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    Agentk120 Male 18-29
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    November 7, 2008 at 11:50 pm
    LazyMe484-Hey, look, another atheist dick. Organized religion and atheism alike are currently rich in douchebaggery.

    Agnosticism bitches-Because it makes a hell of a lot more sense to acknowledge that you can`t possibly have the insight or perspective to definitively say a god does or does not exist.

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    Lionhart2 Male 40-49
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    November 7, 2008 at 11:51 pm
    > LazyMe484
    > Observe the dull incompetence of the religious mind
    > on the plus side, I liked the video.

    Assuming of course that you even watched it, which your first statement sort of rules out, since if you HAD watched it you would have known it was a parody and NOT a religious person trying to prove anything.

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    Anyalazagna Female 18-29
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    November 7, 2008 at 11:54 pm
    This has probably already been said but:

    The Bible is a book that says that God wrote it. That is not proof that God wrote it. That`s like pointing at anything already in existence and saying it proves the existence of it`s creator. Maybe that isn`t the best example.

    Using the Bible as definitive proof that God exists is the same as using "The God Delusion" as proof that God does not exist. Or better yet, a book about Tom Sawyer must prove that Tom Sawyer existed. Yeah, I think that makes it a little clearer...

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    Agentk120 Male 18-29
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    November 7, 2008 at 11:58 pm
    Btw, faith should fail every test science gives to it because science is based in rationality. That`s what faith is, BELIEF in something.
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    Red5TheFinn Male 13-17
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    November 8, 2008 at 12:03 am
    It`s hilarious that you people think,
    "Well the bible says it, so it must be true"
    So really that means, if I go and write a book THEORETICALLY if another lets say I dunno tenthousand years passes. My book says that if you don`t eat Kraft Dinner every night I will beat you with a salomi, does that really seem any different then water parting or a prego-virgin who hasn`t been semenated but she still had a kid?
    Honestly, Christians need to grow up.
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    Red5TheFinn Male 13-17
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    November 8, 2008 at 12:04 am
    And this guy is clearly making fun of Christianity, FIVE INTERENTS!
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    ByOwlPost Female 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 12:06 am
    And he hears voices..
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    yes_finn Male 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 12:09 am
    lulz at everyone who took this seriously, this was obviously satire.
  23. Profile photo of Lionhart2
    Lionhart2 Male 40-49
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    November 8, 2008 at 12:25 am
    Where`s Davymid, we can`t have a Religious Debate without someone to throw us Christians to the Lions and burn our bloodied corpses at the stake afterward! C`mon Davy, if you`re around... if not I declare this debate on pause until he gets here in nomeni patri, et fili, et spiritus sancti.
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    RedDot Male 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 12:29 am
    Even if this video is a joke...

    I really really hate it.

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    Negatively Male 13-17
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    November 8, 2008 at 12:54 am
    Great video =D I`m a atheist also.

    And the God delusion by richard dawkin is a great book and I highly recomend it to any christian or agnostic. Or even atheist for an amusing read =)

    peace.

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    AnwarNova Male 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 1:16 am
    lol @ lionhart the calvinist. *snicker* calvinist :-P
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    hiddenid958 Male 30-39
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    November 8, 2008 at 1:19 am
    I find this debate about as old as the galaxy

    Atheist you are no better than Christians.

    And Christians you are no better than Atheist.

    Atheist you believe you are right because of a bunch of books written by old white men who create theory`s that are constantly changing..

    Christians you believe you are right because of a bunch of books written by old white men who wrote the book thousands of years ago in a world that was barely getting started!

    Athiest you are no better than the West Boro Baptist Church in that you attack people who do not share your point of view and call them stupid and poo like that.

    Christans you are Hippocrates. "vengeance is mine said the lord" and "He who is without sin cast the first stone" The bible said spread the word, not castrate people who don`t agree with it...

    The sooner these two groups can get their head out of their own asses and work together the closer we will get to a peaceful resolution to this drating debate.

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    ceruchaoman Male 13-17
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    November 8, 2008 at 1:30 am
    Hilarious. I`m a reluctant atheist, as great as it would be for there to be a God, it`s very unlikely... People should get over it, it may be nice to believe in God, but it`s also nice to believe in Santa. Both make as much sense as eachother.
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    snoopdawgg Male 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 1:40 am
    pwnt those noobs
  30. Profile photo of Lionhart2
    Lionhart2 Male 40-49
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    November 8, 2008 at 1:50 am
    > hiddenid958

    Stop bringing common sense and logic into it! This is a Religious debate!

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    LazyMe484 Male 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 1:57 am
    Agnostics are pussies. And Lionhart, I did watch the video, I was referring to you, dumbass.
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    opiebreath Female 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 1:57 am
    Blah blah blah, my opinion is fact, you`re wrong because I have infinite knowledge, I can use sarcasm, you`re stupid because you don`t agree with me...

    Is that a sufficient summary of the video/comments?

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    musicalphil Male 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 1:57 am
    yet another example of this website`s ignorant atheist leadings. you know the problem with atheism is they don`t look at the facts - pretty much all their arguments stem from the interpretation that the world was created in 7 days. this isn`t necessarily the case. the bible also says that a day to the lord is "as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day" 2 Peter 3 : 8. take that into account and that whole video you watched proves nothing against Christians or the Bible. duh.
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    jimbobsthebe Male 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 2:08 am
    Musicalphil, so if I wrote a book that basically claimed to be the truth and claimed that the universe doesn`t exist because I used sentences that are so vague they can be interpreted any way shape or form, then it would be true?
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    Liquidglass Male 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 2:12 am
    while there are tons of things I`d like to bring up valid points about. Evolution is one of the ones I felt like doing right now.

    Even the creator behind the ideal of evolution said he was wrong before he died. Plus there has never been any proof of the "missing link" that HAS to exist, it doesn`t, get over it. I personally believe that evolution does occur to a degree allowing people and animals to adapt to environments, however the whole primordial soup and a monkey evolving into a human? BS.

    But if you think it actually happened well then go tell you great great grandmother to the nth power that you`re sorry she wasn`t one of the lucky ones (monkey) next time you visit the zoo.

  36. Profile photo of Lionhart2
    Lionhart2 Male 40-49
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    November 8, 2008 at 2:12 am
    > musicalphil
    > all their arguments stem from the interpretation that the world was created in 7 days

    You are WAY off-base as a Christian if you don`t accept the Bible as truth from its very first words. If it says 7 days, it means 7 literal 24 hour days. not thousands of years. If you can`t accept that, you aren`t a Believer whether you think you are or not. The logic of this position is very clear - God created plants on the 3rd day, sunlight on the 4th, birds on the 5th. How did the plants survive without sunlight for 1,000 years, or plants without birds to cross-pollinate them for 1,000. Those 7 days are literal, ordinary days as we know them.

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    Narikotsu Female 13-17
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    November 8, 2008 at 2:13 am
    I`m an Atheist, and I don`t know why everyone is upset about this.
    If you`re a Christian or Jewish or an Atheist or anything else, why would I care?
    If you`re a good person, you`re a good person.
    As long as we`re not shoving our beliefs down eachothers throats, we should stop fighting over beliefs and religions.
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    Narikotsu Female 13-17
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    November 8, 2008 at 2:15 am
    Another thing, those of us who believe in evolution do not believe humans are evolved from monkeys.
    We do not.
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    Lionhart2 Male 40-49
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    November 8, 2008 at 2:24 am
    > Liquidglass
    > Even the creator behind the ideal of evolution said he was wrong before he died

    That`s completely wrong, its a myth. Darwin NEVER recanted anything of his theory, on his deathbed or any other time (see AnswersInGenesis or many other references.

    I`m not doing well tonight for a fellow Christian am I? Sorry I`d rather see the facts straight even when they don`t support me; crucify me for it if you must, but Truth is Truth, it doesn`t need to be supported by lies.

  40. Profile photo of musicalphil
    musicalphil Male 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 2:30 am
    lionhart - how wrong you are. you`re actually trying to question my belief? that`s absurd. the question as to whether the world was created in 7 periods of 24 hours isn`t what Christianity is all about. what i`m telling you is that the Bible has to be interpreted, if some chose to interpret scripture differently, who are you to question it?
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    opiebreath Female 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 2:30 am
    Liquid, I don`t even know where to start with you.

    How about we do the basics first:

    -They were NOT monkeys.
    -None of them are alive today, that`s what the hell evolution is (they evolved, get it?).
    -Like Lion said, he never took back anything.
    -Micro-evolution (the small changes you mention) happen over short periods of time and they lead to macro-evolution (the so called "monkey evolving into a man BS").
    -The beginnings of life (primordial soup) are an entirely different theory than evolution is.

    You might want to learn a bit about evolution before to passionately denouncing it. I did that with religion. It helps to be open-minded, eh?

  42. Profile photo of Lionhart2
    Lionhart2 Male 40-49
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    November 8, 2008 at 2:33 am
    > jimbobsthebe
    > so if I wrote a book that basically claimed to be the truth etc etc

    Well if you went around making blind people see again, curing incurable diseases and feeding thousands of people with one sandwich, then we killed you and you came back to life 3 days later... yeah, we`d be respecting your book a lot in that case. Obviously.

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    musicalphil Male 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 2:35 am
    i didn`t even say that the universe wasn`t created in 7 days anyway, read what i wrote. `necessarily` being the key word.

    my question to you - explain dinosaurs.

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    musicalphil Male 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 2:44 am
    that`s the stupidist thing i`ve ever heard. where is your scientific back up for that? i`ve studied paleontology - you don`t really have a foot to stand on with that argument.

    what happened to the dinosaurs then? where are they now? (by the way Loch Ness is empty - just a myth)

  45. Profile photo of Lionhart2
    Lionhart2 Male 40-49
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    November 8, 2008 at 2:44 am
    Dinosaurs? Same as any other animal, created by God, placed on earth alongside man. Where do all the "dragon" stories come from in every culture? How come dino footprints and men`s footprints exist side by side in some fossils if they were millions of years apart, with some dino prints ON TOP of the men`s footprints? How come there are STILL dinosaur stories like Loch Ness today? By Occam`s Razor, the most likely explanation - they were contemporary with man throughout history.

    As for your "interpretation" theory - Deuteronomy 4:2 - "Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish from it" And many more references.

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    Lionhart2 Male 40-49
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    November 8, 2008 at 2:48 am
    Where is my backup? Numerous examples of dino footprints and men`s footprints co-existing.
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    musicalphil Male 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 2:53 am
    Deut 4 : 2 is in reference to the commands, in the same chapter, given by God to Moses. Funny how you just demonstrated that you just interpreted and used scripture to justify your argument.

    I`m not continuing this debate as it shines a bad light on Christianity. Frankly I think it`s pretty obvious that scripture has to be interpreted... But it`s worth noting to people on here that not ALL Christians are ignorant of science or anything else for that matter. Some are though.

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    FIRST_poster Male 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 3:12 am
    doesent it seem unfair
    to create people while already knowing they will go to hell?
    wouldnt it be better for them to never be born?
    and why give humans so many disapprovals of god?
    just to make them go to hell?
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    Lionhart2 Male 40-49
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    November 8, 2008 at 3:14 am
    > musicalphil

    Nice sparring with you, look forward to the next time :-) Peace dude.

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    daniellee_x Female 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 3:15 am
    LMAO he`s just making references to the bible. What the hell does that prove?! The bible isn`t real.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    November 8, 2008 at 3:21 am
    God is All Powerful, All seeing, All Knowing.

    So what if a measly human brain "theorizes" (guesses) some cosmic or quantum question ?
    Do they ever get definitive answers with to those epic questions ? No, They get more questions. It never ends. The edges of scientific theory has become a religion in and of itself.

    On the other side, The bible has answers. Maybe not scientific answers to the cosmic or quantum ends of the universal scale, But it does has the answers to relationships, emotions, and faith.

    There is amazing wisdom in the Bible, To mock it like this video did is showing ones own ignorance of it`s true contents.

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    Bekll Female 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 3:41 am
    "are so laughable they jsut prove what a douchebag he is"

    You obviously don`t understand EdwardCurrent...

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    Bekll Female 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 3:43 am
    "Atheist you believe you are right because of a bunch of books written by old white men who create theory`s that are constantly changing.."

    *laughs* Ignoramus...

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    davymid Male 30-39
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    November 8, 2008 at 4:02 am
    vv "Where`s Davymid, we can`t have a Religious Debate without someone to throw us Christians to the Lions and burn our bloodied corpses at the stake afterward!"

    Hey Lion. Sorry for coming late to the party. Thing is (this is true, not crafted to make a point) I`m working today. As many of you know, I`m a geologist working in oil & gas exploration. My colleagues and I are pretty good at it too- last year we found about 1 BBOE (Billion Barrels of Oil Equivalent) of new reserves.

    The reason we`re good at finding these reserves is that we base our search on oil source rocks composed of decayed organic matter, mostly laid down in the time of the dinosaurs, at least 64 million years before man walked the earth. (Also, after 100 years of x-raying the earth with seismic surveys, no-one`s yet found evidence of a big global flood...

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    davymid Male 30-39
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    November 8, 2008 at 4:03 am
    So forgive me if I don`t weigh in, like I said I`m working. Just be thankful next time you fill your gas tank, or flick on a light switch, that there are people like me out there that base their search for new natural resources on science and reason, rather than a neolithic text of fables.

    Lionhart, I really like you man. Religious Christian I can respect wholeheartedly, but man please don`t start off on dinosaur-human footprint coexistence, for it`s all complete and utter bullwank. That smacks of Young-Earth Creationism, and even our resident conservative Christian Primetimekin doesn`t go THAT far...

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    austin808 Male 13-17
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    November 8, 2008 at 4:06 am
    lol this is great satire. its a fresh perspective on a played out theme.
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    sixclaws13 Male 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 4:15 am
    Well damn. Are we ASKING for a 500 post flame war here?
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    Fartacus Female 50-59
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    November 8, 2008 at 4:26 am
    "So what if a measly human brain "theorizes" (guesses) some cosmic or quantum question ?
    Do they ever get definitive answers with to those epic questions ? No, They get more questions. It never ends. The edges of scientific theory has become a religion in and of itself. "

    This is the beauty of science. We realize that science is an approximation of the real world and that our knowledge is not complete and subject to change as more evidence comes in. It is a self-correcting mechanism, and our knowledge is continually updated. That is the fundamental nature of science.

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    s0rd3dvis1on Male 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 4:27 am
    i find it funny that virgin giving birth will have no way to compare what it would be like
    ^did that sentence just make me a woman?
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    Razamire Female 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 4:32 am
    lol it does sounds pretty much like a satire.I have my own personal beliefs in something and someone else have theirs. And as long as their not shoving it down my throat,I have no problem with it uhmkay
    The end.
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    Lyannovitch Female 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 4:43 am
    Ok! Allright...this has done it! I`ve come round!
    There is a God people!

    `cause the bible says so...;)

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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    November 8, 2008 at 5:03 am
    Funny how atheists always are inflammatory and make videos full of sarcasm and hate;

    but yet christians, when asked how they feel about athiests, just simply say "I love you."

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    Lionhart2 Male 40-49
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    November 8, 2008 at 5:11 am
    Hey Davy made it, just in time for me to sign off for the night. Cest la vie. Hi Davy, better late than never, as Noah said to the unicorns... oh wait no he didn`t. Gratz on finding those 1 billion barrels of oil (equiv) dude, I`ll just call it 6,050 barrels and keep on reading my Good Book ;-) Night all.
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    Overglock Male 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 5:22 am
    Funny how atheists always are inflammatory and make videos full of sarcasm and hate;

    but yet christians, when asked how they feel about athiests, just simply say "I love you."


    Two very broad generalizations. You will find just as many atheists who respect others` rights to believe in any religion they wish as you will find Christians who believe their God is the only God, and that atheism, along with Judaism, Islam, Hinduism, et al., are destroying our society.

    I`ve actually yet to see or hear a single Christian say they loved an atheist. Does that mean they don`t exist? Of course not. It just means I haven`t met the right kind of Christian. I still have some faith in a small percentage of humanity that can live together and respect the differences of others without feeling superior to anybody else.

    Radicals ruin everything. There`s a generalization I can get behind.

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    19940321 Male 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 5:36 am
    I believe in God, I`m a Christian, but I also believe in evolution, and the bible can`t be right about every single thing.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    November 8, 2008 at 5:43 am
    True overglock. I was generalizing.

    I may not be the best christian, but I do love all people until they make me not love them.

    So you`ve met one. ;)

    What do I believe?

    God created the heavens and the earth, and for billions of years everything has been going through cycles, evolving as God sees fit. We came from primordial ooze. All things evolved to what they are today.

    "But auburn, God`s book says 7 days". What`s 7 days to God? 7 months? 7 eons? 7 million years? Who knows, but that would tie in creationism and evolution quite nicely wouldn`t it?

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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    November 8, 2008 at 5:45 am
    "and the bible can`t be right about every single thing."

    EEK! Go back to church. This is wrong.

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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 5:47 am
    Lionhart - "How did the plants survive without sunlight for 1,000 years, or plants without birds to cross-pollinate them for 1,000."


    Silly, you can just use the catch-all excuse for anything - `God did it!`. He could easily have made the plants survive 1000 years without sunlight!

    Just like he made all the animals on the ark sit quietly next to each other and not eat each other for months and months.

    Yep, the Bible is 100% facts all right.

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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 5:50 am
    OK auburnjunky, at a stretch I suppose the writers of the Bible could have for some unknown reason wrote 7 days as a metaphor instead of just writing 7 million years, but OK it`s possible.


    Now how would you like to interpret `global flood that covered every mountain`? Maybe that really means `it rained for a few days, there were puddles outside`?

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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 5:54 am
    Actually auburnjunky, I think you`re on to something here. Watch:

    1) we swap `7 days` with `7 million years`
    2) we swap `I will answer your prayers, whatever they are` with `I will not answer your prayers any more than the standard statistical amount that happens even to non-believers`
    3) we swap `in the beginning, God created the heaven and earth` with `in the beginning, the Big Bang began the universe`

    And, hey presto! Science and religion CAN co-exist!

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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    November 8, 2008 at 5:56 am
    The great flood was a parable. It actually happened, but I believe it was really a complete flood of the KNOWN WORLD which at the time was just a small part between modern day Egypt and Saudi Arabia. Where the Suez is today.

    Is it possible for a hurricane or tsunami to have hit that region and just obliterated everything, and a farmer who traded exotic animals just had a huge boat and loaded his stock up to avoid it?

    Remember the people that lived during this time had lower level mental capabilities than we do, so it is possible that their interpretations of events are different than 100% actuality, but the stories they told had morals that still ring true today.

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    zhontonjane Female 50-59
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    November 8, 2008 at 5:56 am
    The Bible IS the word of God and IS 100% true! I am a Christian.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    November 8, 2008 at 5:58 am
    I know this is farking cheesy, but how about...

    God wanted to create the heavens and the earth. BANG! It happened.

    Also, Have you ever wished for something? Then you have prayed a non-believers prayer.

    I don`t want to debate, I`m just trying to illustrate how it all ties together.

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    maggierose78 Female 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 6:03 am
    I believe that God did create everything, from the creepy crawlies to man. How he did it is where science comes into play. Science is a great scope for man trying to measure God`s Creativity in making the world, humans, and everything inbetween.

    I am a Christian and I believe the Bible is 100% factual. The orignal translations of the bible has been lost throughout the year. After all it was translated from a dead language, which no one has used in a long, long, time. So the translation could be wrong. After all MANKIND IS NOT PERFECT DESPITE POPULAR BELIEF.

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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    November 8, 2008 at 6:05 am
    So when is someone going to start making fun of us because most of the people defending christianity and the bible come from the southern US? LOL.
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 6:06 am
    You`re right, I`ve wished for stuff plenty of times, and one of 2 things happen:

    1) If what I wish for is impossible, my wish is never granted.
    2) If what I wish for is possible, my wish is granted at the exact statistical rate you would expect, just as if I`d never wished in the first place.

    You`re right, it`s EXACTLY like prayer.

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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 6:07 am
    "After all it was translated from a dead language, which no one has used in a long, long, time."

    People speak Hebrew all the time, just pop into a synagogue.

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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 6:12 am
    I`m running short of time, gotta go watch Scotland get their ass kicked by New Zealand at rugby, so I`ll sum up with 2 images of the world:

    World run by scientists:

    "Hm, this person is dying. Why?"
    "I don`t know. Let`s investigate and try to discover a cure."

    World run by religion:

    "Hm, this person is dying. Why?"
    "GOD IS PUNISHING THEM! LET THE HEATHEN BURN IN THE FIRES OF HELL!"


    Religion holds society back from progress.

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    maggierose78 Female 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 6:14 am
    It`s not hebrew, or it`s not just hebrew, it was another language, I think Hebrew was the closet to that language, but it wasn`t hebrew.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    November 8, 2008 at 6:19 am
    Actually the first books of the bible are translated from a language that predates aramaic and even sandskrit. The old testament (Jewish Bible) is made up of facts, and the New Testament (Christian Bible) is made up of parables meant to teach someone how to live a christian life. The New Testament was pretty much translated correctly, since it was written only about 2500 years ago.

    The Old Testament, while right, could be mistranslated in some spots, but the morals of what is written there still apply because it`s translated well enough to understand, albeit not completely.

    To your other point. Death is not a punishment. Death is a gateway and a part of earthly life.

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    SyXxlunatic Male 13-17
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    November 8, 2008 at 6:26 am
    And it is dratting stuff like this that keeps the world from uniting under one religion/government/and leader,(or more, who knows?)
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    November 8, 2008 at 6:28 am
    I should clarify that. The first few books of the Old Testament are facts. More of a historical document. Then it starts with the parables and stories meant to teach morality in that time. It could still have been mistranslated to a degree.

    Christians, while we accept and believe the old testament, use the new testament as our guideline. We go by the ten commandments (old testament), but Jesus said (in the new testament)
    all we must do is love one another and accept him to be fulfilled.

    Okay I`m rambling. I gotta go to work.

    Love you guys.

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    Lauraly Female 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 6:29 am
    vv I hope the world never unites under one belief system... talk about a stagnant society. Differing opinions are vastly important, which is why even if I might completely disagree with someone I don`t begrudge them for their outlook. I might think they`re foolish, but it doesn`t make me angry or dislike them.
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    bungled Male 30-39
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    November 8, 2008 at 6:32 am
    God is comfort food.
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    frumgf Female 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 6:49 am
    My mother is Jewish, and was raised to believe the old testament. The rest of her family is orthodox, while she`s reformed but practices the major holidays.

    Anyway, she`s 52 and has just actually started reading the Old Testament and hates it, and thinks it`s bull. After decades of thinking it was true without actually knowing what the hell it said.

    Maybe christians could learn a thing or two from her. Because I know that they`re ignoring or don`t even know what 90 percent of the bible says.

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    frumgf Female 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 6:52 am
    "Even the creator behind the ideal of evolution said he was wrong before he died"

    No he didnt. That`s bullpoo propoganda created by creationists in an attempt to make it seem like ID is scientific.

    No. No. No. Creating LIES to fuel your agenda is wrong.

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    jdjd5883 Male 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 6:52 am
    ha ha
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    jdjd5883 Male 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 6:54 am
    religion, whats the point. it only seems to make people fight.
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    kribbe Male 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 7:06 am
    bwahahahaha
    he tried to make atheists look stupid but ended up making himself look stupid,

    still i have no problem with other people believing in stuff that doesnt exist just as long they stick to themselves

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    screwzlooose Male 30-39
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    November 8, 2008 at 7:15 am
    mmmmmmmmmmmm thats good satire!
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    November 8, 2008 at 7:17 am
    vv "The old testament (Jewish Bible) is made up of facts"

    Auburnjunky, are you high?

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    amaqdrinker Male 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 7:20 am
    hated this


    nothing pisses me off faster then this nihilist bullsh*t

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    amaqdrinker Male 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 7:23 am
    if any atheists on this thread can tell me why they aren`t compelled to live their life in a way that is reflective of their ideology i would greatly appreciate it.
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    mangamonkey Male 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 7:25 am
    Gah just stop it, everytime theres a aetheist/christian vid on this site it always scores the highest posts, just stop, beleive what you want to beleive, christianity ultimatly doesnt hurt anyone in the day to day

    I am an atheist, more than that i am a scientist, i beleive what can be proven or at least supposed with reasonable degrees of likelyhood.

    And to anyone who thinks this vid is actually pro christianity, its not, he`s clearly being sarcastic, how many times did he use visual cue about circular logic?

    a lot of atheists hurt the cause more than christians when they say htings without thinking, and surely at the core of atheist beleifs is the idea that everything should be thought out so that it makes sense,

    so please i implore you, if your going to post just to say how dumb christians are or how dumb atheists are, just stop and think about it, see if you can say somethinga little more productive than just increasing your post count

  95. Profile photo of eggsnham
    eggsnham Male 13-17
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    November 8, 2008 at 7:30 am
    ima try not to get caught up cuz noone understands what i say but here goes

    if atheists call themselves open-minded then why do completely disregard anything that doesn`t comply with scientific theories, the definition of open-mindedness is to actually think about things that dont comply with your beliefs not to just go "ha religion is stupid because they believe in a higher entity" also can you honestly look at this earth and say that there was no creator when obviously there is one, the earth is fine tuned for our comfortable living so that we don`t just die of lack of something. if the earth didn`t have oxygen or water, life as we know it would crumble. the athiests answer, we were a bunch of chemicals and acid bunched together at just the right time when lightning struck and made life, then we started evolving steadily into more complex organisms. i dont know but religion seems more likely to me

  96. Profile photo of amaqdrinker
    amaqdrinker Male 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 7:34 am
    damnit eggsnham!

    why do you have to make me look stupid?

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    eggsnham Male 13-17
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    November 8, 2008 at 7:37 am
    and prayer is not wishing prayer is the act communicating with a higher entity and asking him for basic things like protection. but i gotta ask why do almost all atheists mock Christians for praying for things like protection, but if they see a Hindu person praying to the god vishnu for protection they go "look at that. isnt that cool" and yes i have witnessed something like that before
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    amaqdrinker Male 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 7:39 am
    and hungry
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    eggsnham Male 13-17
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    November 8, 2008 at 7:40 am
    sorry amagdrinker
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    eggsnham Male 13-17
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    November 8, 2008 at 7:40 am
    lol
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    November 8, 2008 at 7:42 am
    vv "the earth is fine tuned for our comfortable living so that we don`t just die of lack of something."

    No. If the earth appears to be fine tuned for our existence, that`s precisely because we have evolved over millions of years to optimally fit into our environment. Classical Darwinian evolution.

    For example, if earth`s atmospeheric pressure happened to be five times higher than what it is, we`d all be sitting here with much thicker skin, shorter stature, more dense bone structure, and much higher blood pressure. And then we`d still say "look! the world is finely tuned to our existence. Ergo: Almighty Creator.

    Cart before the horse, eggsnham.

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    Cheese84o6 Male 13-17
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    November 8, 2008 at 7:43 am
    Watch the movie "Expelled"
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    November 8, 2008 at 7:44 am
    Anyways, flame away guys, I`m off to do some work.
  104. Profile photo of amaqdrinker
    amaqdrinker Male 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 7:44 am
    no i was just being an ass,
    but i want to restate my question for this thread. if life is meaningless, merely a series of random occurrences, then why do you not reflect that in your life.
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    eggsnham Male 13-17
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    November 8, 2008 at 7:49 am
    damn good point davymid. but all the marks of craftsmanship are in the earths structure look at the earth, suppose that there is no god (this is for christian poeple) and say gee im open-minded. then say there is absolutely positively not even a fraction of a chance that there is a god because a HUMAN who worked and lived in a church decided that we evolved because a bunch of pea plants turned different colors over generations of breeding. then he continued living and died a christian
  106. Profile photo of amaqdrinker
    amaqdrinker Male 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 7:50 am
    i`m just saying that i would actually be able to respect an atheist who applies their ideology to their life. doesn`t give a sh*t about anyone else, no love, no compassion, primarily focused on pleasure, etc.. they`d be interesting as hell.
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    lololeela Female 30-39
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    November 8, 2008 at 7:52 am
    I love Edward Current. He does great parodies.

    And amagdrinker: "if any atheists on this thread can tell me why they aren`t compelled to live their life in a way that is reflective of their ideology i would greatly appreciate it."

    Just what type of behavior do you consider "reflective of their ideology"? Atheism has no ideology. It`s only a position on the existence of a god. Atheists have differing views on ethics, politics, and philosophy. I try to live morally because it behooves me to. My life will be good if I treat others fairly and with compassion. The golden rule did not originate with religion and especially not with Christianity. Humans cannot survive without cooperation (a.k.a. morality), because we are social beings and depend on eachother for survival. We are biologically programmed to empathize, so it`s not as if I have to fight back to urge to go out and steal, cheat or kill.

  108. Profile photo of schecter5
    schecter5 Male 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 7:52 am
    oy, the old christian vs. atheist video.
    though the creator of the video was being sarcastic (circular logic)
    still, it doesn`t change peoples actual beliefs, of that i`m sure.
    i`m an atheist who has grown up and pretty much lived in a church for my entire life. do i agree with the nitty gritty subjects (you know that jesus dude?) no, not really. i DO how ever believe and value the morals taught and practiced by religions at large. Think about it. It doesn`t matter what you do or don`t believe, but rather how you act. For some people, christianity, hinduism, islam, toaiism, or in my case humanism might work. for others, they don`t need something, or something totally different. I just hope that people will mature to see past the details to get the larger picture: give every man his right and proper due. seriously. can some one please find me one non-cult religion that revolves around personal actions completely different from what i`ve just said? i`ve looked and i couldn`t...
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    daniellee_x Female 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 7:53 am
    haha almighty bob i love you.
  110. Profile photo of amaqdrinker
    amaqdrinker Male 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 7:54 am
    eggsnham the fact of the matter with creationism vs evolution is that it doesn`t matter. the creationism story could just be metaphorical. even if the entire theory of the beginnings of the universe is completely true, the particle which expanded after the big bang into the universe still existed from nothing.
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    xiquiripat Male 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 7:57 am
    This link makes baby Jesus cry :(
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    DiePSPolice Male 30-39
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    November 8, 2008 at 7:57 am
    @amaqdrinker: "i`m just saying that i would actually be able to respect an atheist who applies their ideology to their life. doesn`t give a sh*t about anyone else, no love, no compassion, primarily focused on pleasure, etc.. they`d be interesting as hell."

    I don`t understand why love, compassion, or empathy has anything to do with belief in God. What you are describing "don`t care about others, etc." is called a sociopath.

    To throw it on its head: if the only reason you care about other people, love other people, and show compassion for people, is because the bible tells you so and/or you are afraid to go to hell if you don`t, that says very bad things about you.

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    WhenIsLunch Male 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 7:58 am
    well if u think about it the universe had to be created sometime, it couldnt have just existed forever....could it ?

    ouch my brain hurts

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    angrytick Male 13-17
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    November 8, 2008 at 7:58 am
    drat that... the bible was written by people... not god..... it sounds like a load a bs.
  115. Profile photo of amaqdrinker
    amaqdrinker Male 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 7:59 am
    "Humans cannot survive without cooperation (a.k.a. morality), because we are social beings and depend on eachother for survival. We are biologically programmed to empathize, so it`s not as if I have to fight back to urge to go out and steal, cheat or kill."

    lets actually promote our species then, go hitler style on this sh*t. remove unsatisfactory traits, perfect the race. oh and i know the last time i fell in love i thought, hey i think a mixing of our genetic characteristics would create suitable offspring. as a human you are so far from being perfectly rational but atheists claim that they are even though they blatantly are not.

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    eggsnham Male 13-17
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    November 8, 2008 at 7:59 am
    ehh im done now just think of what i said in detail because that`s most likely the only way you`ll ever get it
  117. Profile photo of davymid
    davymid Male 30-39
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    November 8, 2008 at 8:02 am
    vv "all the marks of craftsmanship are in the earths structure look at the earth"

    I`m a PhD Geologist (seriously). I`ve spent a lifetime looking at the earth`s structure; it`s my profession. Fail to see where God somes into it. And stop with the Darwin deathbed conversion myth, it makes it harder to take Christians seriously when they keep regurgitating long-debunked myths.

  118. Profile photo of amaqdrinker
    amaqdrinker Male 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 8:03 am
    "I don`t understand why love, compassion, or empathy has anything to do with belief in God. What you are describing "don`t care about others, etc." is called a sociopath.

    To throw it on its head: if the only reason you care about other people, love other people, and show compassion for people, is because the bible tells you so and/or you are afraid to go to hell if you don`t, that says very bad things about you."


    love and compassion are irrational, tolstoy said that. and your logic on your second comment is flawed. i believe god exists because i believe god exists not because the bible told me so. the bible guides a believer, but god is in the world.

  119. Profile photo of davymid
    davymid Male 30-39
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    November 8, 2008 at 8:03 am
    @Amaq, I hear what you`re saying. I`m an atheist (to me, that means I don`t believe in the existence of any gods- Not I don`t know, I don`t believe). And that`s all atheism is. It`s not an "ideology". It is lack of belief in a god, nothing more, nothing less.

    To pull out an old adage which you`ve probably heard before. I`m going to presume that you don`t believe in Apollo, Zeus, Thor, Odin, Allah, Vishnu, the Buddha, Cthulhu, Jupiter etc etc etc. Therefore we are both atheists, I just believe in one less god than you do. And when you understand why you don`t believe in all the other potential gods, then you`ll understand why I don`t believe in yours.

  120. Profile photo of schecter5
    schecter5 Male 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 8:03 am
    "lets actually promote our species then, go hitler style on this sh*t. remove unsatisfactory traits, perfect the race. oh and i know the last time i fell in love i thought, hey i think a mixing of our genetic characteristics would create suitable offspring. as a human you are so far from being perfectly rational but atheists claim that they are even though they blatantly are not."

    wow amaqdrinker. please, if you will, paint a picture of your "absolute" atheist that you seem to grasp onto. describe your archetype of godlessness and put it out in the open. because so far, your discussion hasn`t been much of a discussion but rather talking at a wall. there is no point in peoples postings if the refuse to behave and respond in a reasonable, fashionable manner and are open to new ideas. i mean hell, we could even LEARN something O_O. blasphemy.
    after all this is the internet. all its good for is porn and conspiracy theories.

  121. Profile photo of amaqdrinker
    amaqdrinker Male 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 8:06 am
    "To pull out an old adage which you`ve probably heard before. I`m going to presume that you don`t believe in Apollo, Zeus, Thor, Odin, Allah, Vishnu, the Buddha, Cthulhu, Jupiter etc etc etc. Therefore we are both atheists, I just believe in one less god than you do. And when you understand why you don`t believe in all the other potential gods, then you`ll understand why I don`t believe in yours."

    i think that all religions are talking about the same thing actually. theres just one god and its been interpreted a lot of different ways.

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    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 8:07 am
    A repost, except now there`s a different video over the same sound.
  123. Profile photo of amaqdrinker
    amaqdrinker Male 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 8:07 am
    "wow amaqdrinker. please, if you will, paint a picture of your "absolute" atheist that you seem to grasp onto. describe your archetype of godlessness and put it out in the open. because so far, your discussion hasn`t been much of a discussion but rather talking at a wall. there is no point in peoples postings if the refuse to behave and respond in a reasonable, fashionable manner and are open to new ideas. i mean hell, we could even LEARN something O_O. blasphemy.
    after all this is the internet. all its good for is porn and conspiracy theories."

    what the hell are you talking about? hitler was a direct reaction to neitzche and darwin. thats completely logical. without god you are left with pure reason which is a scary f*cking thing

  124. Profile photo of amaqdrinker
    amaqdrinker Male 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 8:10 am
    and we could learn something? what does that mean, i stated my opinion and you`ve stated you`re opinion, are you expecting me to concede so "we learned something"?
  125. Profile photo of schecter5
    schecter5 Male 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 8:12 am
    hitler wasn`t the spawn of darwinian theories mate. his ideals of looks (blond hair, blue eyes, pale skin, ext.) were his own personal preference. there was nothing darwinian about how his doctors would experiment with fetuses, trying to make them stronger or faster, as it was done through chemicals and not an evolutionary process taking thousands or generations and millions of years. as for the pure reason thing, its not scary, because you still have morals. sheer logic tempered with a steady set of morals is what every religion aims for, no?
  126. Profile photo of davymid
    davymid Male 30-39
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    November 8, 2008 at 8:13 am
    Way to bring out Godwin there Amaq. Are you seriously saying that Hitler did what he did because of Neitzche and Darwin? Bit of a stretch there buddy, dontcha think?
  127. Profile photo of amaqdrinker
    amaqdrinker Male 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 8:14 am
    "well if u think about it the universe had to be created sometime, it couldnt have just existed forever....could it ?"

    that`s an interesting concept too, if the big bang was just a series of pulsations that is existence, expanding into the universe, contracting to a particle, expanding... etc. still think that this has nothing to do with whether or not god exists though

  128. Profile photo of amaqdrinker
    amaqdrinker Male 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 8:16 am
    why do you still have morals?
  129. Profile photo of schecter5
    schecter5 Male 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 8:16 am
    as for learning something, no i`m not expecting you to concede, merely to be open in your beliefs so as to be able to intake new information and format your pre-existing beliefs to be able to cope with it i.e. thats atheists aren`t lawless and without morals, but are able to think rationally and with morals in mind to balance out and temper their logic and decisions.
  130. Profile photo of amaqdrinker
    amaqdrinker Male 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 8:16 am
    and i really don`t need to debate the fact that neitzche especially had a direct influence on hitler, that`s a fact
  131. Profile photo of amaqdrinker
    amaqdrinker Male 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 8:19 am
    you`re talking about morals like they have to exist, which they do, but the only reason they exist is because you have a conscious, pure reason does not create morality.
  132. Profile photo of amaqdrinker
    amaqdrinker Male 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 8:20 am
    "thats atheists aren`t lawless and without morals,"

    i`m not saying you are, but if you lived according to your ideology, and yes atheism has inherent ideology, then you would be.

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    Smashking Male 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 8:21 am
    The one thing I can`t wait to see is the religious reaction to when life is found on another planet. God created the universe, and God created life on Earth, but where does that leave them?

    "Oh yeah, if you look heeeeeeeeeere *writes in pencil in the book* it says He also made that life as well..."

    (I kid, I kid =))

  134. Profile photo of schecter5
    schecter5 Male 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 8:23 am
    yes it does mate. pure reason and logic spawn morals. the ability for forethought and learning (both of which i will also attribute to logic and reason) will help me think in a totally lawless and godless world "if i kill this man, those attached to him will seek revenge. if i befriend this man we may be able to act in a mutually beneficial manner and thus survive longer." this idea is then LEARNED and becomes a integral, all be it subconscious rule that we learn to live with. it is simply LOGICAL to maintain morals, as it raises life expectancy and mating chances in the long run if you want to argue it in such a manner.
  135. Profile photo of amaqdrinker
    amaqdrinker Male 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 8:25 am
    then why don`t we properly (because you stated that hitler was not darwinian, that bastard) improve our race in that manner.
  136. Profile photo of davymid
    davymid Male 30-39
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    November 8, 2008 at 8:26 am
    Amaq, I`m not going to insult you by throwing links at you (you seem like a smart guy, it`s good to have a debate like this without resorting to flaming), but it`ll save from from a long post... Here`s one take on the development of "morality" or altruism in evolutionary terms.

    http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CB/CB411.html

  137. Profile photo of amaqdrinker
    amaqdrinker Male 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 8:28 am
    someone else on this website has shown that to me actually and it just doesn`t work completely. it`s not how things actually work, it`s like it almost makes sense kind of, but in reality it`s just not like that.
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    amaqdrinker Male 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 8:28 am
    wow that came out really repetitively
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    amaqdrinker Male 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 8:30 am
    i mean seriously what are we doing letting retarded children live? they aren`t going to do anything except drat with our gene pool.
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    November 8, 2008 at 8:31 am
    amaqdrinker
    i`m just saying that i would actually be able to respect an atheist who applies their ideology to their life. doesn`t give a sh*t about anyone else, no love, no compassion, primarily focused on pleasure, etc.. they`d be interesting as hell.
    ____________________________________________________
    amaqdrinker... I`m not sure if he`s an atheist, but look up Tucker Max. The guy lives exactly the way you described.
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    vv "then why don`t we properly (because you stated that hitler was not darwinian, that bastard) improve our race in that manner."

    Dude, what Hitler embarked on was a campaign of Ethnic Cleansing. I don`t believe he read The Origin of Species and suddenly decided to kill 6 million Jews.

    Anyways, ethnic cleansing has been going on for millenia, long before Darwin`s time. A pretty good place to start for some particularly horrific examples is in the Good Book, usually sanctioned by God, but I won`t go there.

    Thin ice, Amaq. Very thin ice.

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    November 8, 2008 at 8:34 am
    no what i`m saying is, i know hitler was not darwinian, but if we are only using pure reason then lets promote our species by removing undesirable traits.
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    lauraly, i`ve always had a certain respect for people like that, i`ve met a few. the fact that they are so committed to not giving a f*ck interests the hell out of me.
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    November 8, 2008 at 8:36 am
    um.. we do improve our race over time man. those you find attractive you to are those that have a different genetic make up from yours, a more varied in a respect. those that have the very varied genetic make ups tend to be more attractive to us, as a result of the "averaging" of their features. this is where i wish i had the ling to one of those programs that lets you take multiple facial pictures of people of all different races, then it averages them, and the result is much more asthetically attractive.
  145. Profile photo of amaqdrinker
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    and anyway hitler did not just kill jews and everyone knows that. he was trying to create a superior race, it may have been personal opinion i guess but he was still trying to improve the species.
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    November 8, 2008 at 8:37 am
    "um.. we do improve our race over time man. those you find attractive you to are those that have a different genetic make up from yours"

    you mean like opposites attract. your at the oldest a seventeen year old kid whos never been in love.

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    November 8, 2008 at 8:38 am
    amaqdrinker: "oh and i know the last time i fell in love i thought, hey i think a mixing of our genetic characteristics would create suitable offspring."


    I know you were being sardonic, but actually.. I do that.

  148. Profile photo of amaqdrinker
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    November 8, 2008 at 8:39 am
    "um.. we do improve our race over time man."

    alright but why wait man, lets just make our species perfect right now? i`m a little scared about how you guys are tip toeing around this subject. is this idea appealing to you? i really hope not.

  149. Profile photo of amaqdrinker
    amaqdrinker Male 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 8:40 am
    "I know you were being sardonic, but actually.. I do that."

    weird

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    no offense, just weird

    and actually that`s kind of a way of actually living an atheist`s ideology so i respect that. wait you are an atheist right, it seems like everyone else is right now.

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    November 8, 2008 at 8:43 am
    i don`t think a race of "perfect" people would survive long lol. genetic mutations through sun exposure would kinda make a genetically perfect and same civilization impossible anyways.

    oh and as for the the face averaging thing i found a link. its pretty cool and a fun way to waste some time.
    http://www.faceresearch.org/demos/averag...

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    November 8, 2008 at 8:44 am
    please let this be satirical, PLEASE!!!
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    November 8, 2008 at 8:45 am
    vv "i`m a little scared about how you guys are tip toeing around this subject. is this idea appealing to you? i really hope not."

    Oh hush Amaq. What you`re describing is genocide. Social altruism (which can be explained in evolutionary terms, if you read my previous linky) will not allow it.

    Historically, the vast majority of instances of genocide/ethnic cleansing have been in the name of religion, or at least had a religious component.

    Stop putting words in the mouths of atheists that atheism is somehow advocational of racial supremacy. I say again: Atheism is lack of belief in a god, nothing more, nothing less.

  154. Profile photo of amaqdrinker
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    November 8, 2008 at 8:46 am
    so what you`re saying, is the only reason that you would not murder countless people with "unsatisfactory traits" is only because the species may not survive long afterwards? really? i mean sh*t your theory on why it wouldn`t work out in the long run seems a little weak anyway.
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    November 8, 2008 at 8:49 am
    I`m not offended. And I`m a person who doesn`t believe god exists though I admit I could possibly be wrong... simply because there`s just no way of proving either side without a doubt. But, i wouldn`t consider myself agnostic. (I`m not really sure that makes sense.) And I appreciate your respect.
    Well.. I mean part of it has to do with attraction... we are biologically attracted to certain people for a reason. But I actually consciously think about what attributes of my partner would be beneficial (or detrimental) if we did have children someday. I`ve always sort of done it, but more so now that I`m an adult and would actually like to have children in the not-to-distant future (though not exactly anytime soon).
  156. Profile photo of amaqdrinker
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    November 8, 2008 at 8:50 am
    "Stop putting words in the mouths of atheists that atheism is somehow advocational of racial supremacy. I say again: Atheism is lack of belief in a god, nothing more, nothing less. "

    you can`t just believe something about the very nature of existence without it affecting how you live you`re life, and i`m not talking about historic genocide, i`m asking you if there is any reason why we should not remove undesirable traits if we are relying on pure reason.

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    November 8, 2008 at 8:51 am
    and about the evils committed by religion, i believe that something that is pure is easily tainted.
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    November 8, 2008 at 8:51 am
    woah, did i say anything about killing people? no i didn`t. you seem rather hostile mate. i think you need a hug. wait i`m atheist, i shan`t let my dirty, godlessness in your presence. besides, empathy is part of religion right? so how i feel must be the offspring of some sort of subconscious god in me! ha! check mate atheists.
    -_-
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    November 8, 2008 at 8:54 am
    "i`m asking you if there is any reason why we should not remove undesirable traits if we are relying on pure reason."

    I alreasy answered you Amaq, it`s called social atruism, it`s genetic, and can be explained in evolutionary terms. Again, that link:

    http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CB/CB411.html

  160. Profile photo of amaqdrinker
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    November 8, 2008 at 8:56 am
    "woah, did i say anything about killing people? no i didn`t. you seem rather hostile mate. i think you need a hug. wait i`m atheist, i shan`t let my dirty, godlessness in your presence. besides, empathy is part of religion right? so how i feel must be the offspring of some sort of subconscious god in me! ha! check mate atheists.
    -_-"


    first of all schecter i think you are saved just like me and are as deserving of god`s grace as anyone. and secondly i brought up killing people because that would be how you got rid of undesirable traits. and thirdly yeah actually i think our conscious is one of the most compelling testaments to the existence of a higher power.

  161. Profile photo of amaqdrinker
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    November 8, 2008 at 9:01 am
    "I alreasy answered you Amaq, it`s called social atruism, it`s genetic, and can be explained in evolutionary terms. Again, that link:"

    i dont like that website, it`s very poorly written. but who cares about that, what i`m saying is that without a god the ultimate goal is to promote the species right. so therefore it doesn`t matter what traits we adopted in the past, using pure reason lets remove undesirable traits and promote the species. i think we`re having a bit of a backwards debate on free will here too.

  162. Profile photo of amaqdrinker
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    November 8, 2008 at 9:02 am
    Lauraly, i think for the most part what is naturally attractive to us generally works out pretty well for our kid`s sakes anyway.
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    November 8, 2008 at 9:02 am
    i would think along the lines of offspring limitation i.e. some couples have on child and some 2 or 3. the more desirable the traits, the more children are aloud to be produced. think of the possible alternatives before you say a definite man. general rule of thumb.
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    November 8, 2008 at 9:04 am
    Look Amaq, you`ve been needling and chipping away for the last 3 pages now that Atheism is an ideology tantamount to fascism, racial supremacy, ethnic cleansing and genocide. As an atheist, I`m starting to find it very offensive. How about we change the record?
  165. Profile photo of amaqdrinker
    amaqdrinker Male 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 9:04 am
    then i would have to say that i find your position on that matter absolutely appalling and disgusting you freaking nazi, no offense of course.
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    theHUSHSOUND Female 13-17
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    November 8, 2008 at 9:05 am
    I`m like... agnostic/atheist.

    but you know what? there are not only two beliefs in this world! there isn`t christians v. atheist. perhaps in america there is, but what about the rest of the world? what about buddhism? like really, how can we even be debating this. the bible doesn`t apply to every single religion. a religion is a BELIEF, not a FACT.

  167. Profile photo of amaqdrinker
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    November 8, 2008 at 9:06 am
    davymid i`m not trying to insult anyone i am attacking an institution.
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    November 8, 2008 at 9:06 am
    vv "without a god the ultimate goal is to promote the species right"

    OK last word on the matter. Wrong. The ultimate goal is happiness, nothing at all about species or racial promotion.

  169. Profile photo of amaqdrinker
    amaqdrinker Male 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 9:08 am
    your opening up a whole new can of worms with that davymid because what you call happiness i call joy which is a divine goal.
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    November 8, 2008 at 9:09 am
    my view on religion?

    im agnostic.. im not so bold as to say there is or isnt a god... i have no proof either way.

    I think if there IS a god that as long as you are generaly a good person and you dont lie or cheat or kill then you will go to heaven.

    i ALSO think that while the bible may not have been written by god its a good way to live... the ten comandments tell you how to be a good person...

    and my other big thing is gay marridge.

    If you live in america you have the right to persuit happyness... it says so right in the consitutuion..
    give me one good reason why the american government shouldnt let gays get married...

    and no that DOESNT mean the bible says so... its called seperation of church and state.

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    November 8, 2008 at 9:09 am
    OK, new can of worms is good! Let`s debate that topic and stay away from the genocide stuff.
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    November 8, 2008 at 9:09 am
    It`s sad that I wasn`t sure if this was a joke or not.
  173. Profile photo of schecter5
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    November 8, 2008 at 9:10 am
    why attack the institution amaq? what has an atheist done that some one of organized religion hasn`t? how do you explain the theistic murders, warmonger, drug users, and actions it seems you would wet your panties over while saying they are properties of the atheist population?
    oh, sorry i wasn`t attacking you, just your religion. just like christianity has cause the most violent/war-related deaths out of any religion. ever. but hey, it must be because god said so, so its ok right?
  174. Profile photo of amaqdrinker
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    November 8, 2008 at 9:11 am
    allright, then why would happiness be the ultimate goal of an atheist, what is happiness to an atheist, is it purely pleasure?
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    November 8, 2008 at 9:11 am
    Aaaaand we have a new member! Happy First Post LordBored, welcome to I-A-B.

    I`m afraid you join us at a bad time, there`s a bit of a flame-war going on... Or maybe it`s a good time, I dunno.

  176. Profile photo of amaqdrinker
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    November 8, 2008 at 9:13 am
    "That`s not entirely true... just because they are attractive doesn`t mean they are without undesirable traits. For example, I have an incredible immune system, it takes a lot for me to get sick, and I always fight off colds quickly. My ex had a horrible immune system. He`d catch colds quickly and hold onto them forever. We got sick at the same time once (I gave it to him) and I was over it in a week while it took him 3 for the same throat infection. His weak immune system is an undesirable trait. "

    oh sh*t i wasn`t even thinking that deep into it. to be honest thought that wouldnt even cross my mind. if i loved someone and they got cancer every time someone sneezed near them id still have kids with them.

  177. Profile photo of Agentk120
    Agentk120 Male 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 9:13 am
    "Agnostics are pussies."
    Funny. Recently, a friend of mine said that she used to think agnostics were taking the easy way out, but as she thought more about the whole thing she realized they had thought through it more than anyone else.
  178. Profile photo of amaqdrinker
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    November 8, 2008 at 9:14 am
    i already said schecter that something that is pure is easily tainted.
  179. Profile photo of davymid
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    November 8, 2008 at 9:14 am
    vv "allright, then why would happiness be the ultimate goal of an atheist, what is happiness to an atheist, is it purely pleasure?"

    Trying to set-up for the old tired "Why don`t you just go and rape and pillage then" headshot Amaq?

    I can talk about social altruism all day, but it`s not going to sink in, is it?

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    November 8, 2008 at 9:15 am
    vv I didn`t say that was why I left him... but it certainly didn`t help with the whole "let`s have babies" thing. Though I was pretty convinced that mine was strong enough to counteract his weakness. Plus, he was otherwise pretty physically fit.
  181. Profile photo of amaqdrinker
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    November 8, 2008 at 9:16 am
    actually now that im thinking about it more youre kind of right lauraly, that immune system thing makes a lot of sense. i was obviously just being dramatic in that last post, but i think i would still want to have kids, but it would definitely be a consideration.
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    November 8, 2008 at 9:16 am
    so you people who say someone who isnt perfect shouldnt be alive (im pretty sure thats what i got from all this)

    are you saying i should be dead and not have to have kids?

    i have neurofibromatosis which has caused pseudoarthrosis in my arm and scoliosis...

    thats right im deformed.... are you saying that because my genes are not perfect i shouldnt have kids? that because there is a 50% chance of me passing it onto my childern i shouldnt have the right to even HAVE kids?

  183. Profile photo of amaqdrinker
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    November 8, 2008 at 9:16 am
    allright but then what is happiness?
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    November 8, 2008 at 9:17 am
    vv "so you people who say someone who isnt perfect shouldnt be alive (im pretty sure thats what i got from all this)"

    Not in the slightest for even a second shortsagitar. That`s just the words that Amaq has been trying to ram into our mouths for the last 3 pages.

  185. Profile photo of amaqdrinker
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    November 8, 2008 at 9:18 am
    short sagitar i think you might be referring to my posts and i was taking a godless view in an extreme direction to attack atheism.
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    November 8, 2008 at 9:20 am
    Amaq, happiness to me is having a loving wife, a beautiful baby girl, a nice home, enough money to be comfortable, my health and the health of my family. All set against the bcakground of a nice stable society where everyone can get along with one another, and anyone who breaks the rules is going to jail. That`s my happiness.
  187. Profile photo of amaqdrinker
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    November 8, 2008 at 9:20 am
    and i wasnt putting words in your mouths i was just asking you to defend your ideals. i was taking a foundation of your ideals and interpreting it in a certain way and asking why it was not so.
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    November 8, 2008 at 9:21 am
    See Amaq? Told you what you were spouting was pretty f*cking offensive. Well done on upsetting shortsagitar, perhaps deeply.
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    November 8, 2008 at 9:23 am
    heehee
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    November 8, 2008 at 9:23 am
    Shorts... you have every right to be alive and to have children someday. I really hope nothing said here has made you feel like anyone truly believes otherwise.


    However, to be completely honest, I would choose to adopt over having children myself if I had a major affliction depending on what it was and what the chances are of passing it on. I`d actually like to be tested for any recessive genes that could produce sickly children to avoid it. Not because I don`t think they have the right to be born, but because in my eyes it would be selfish to bring a child into the world if you knew they weren`t going to be well. For example those children who were born with the disease that their skin could kill them... the parents knew after the first child that if they were to have another there was something like an 80% chance and they had a second anyway. I just think that`s unbelievably selfish.

  191. Profile photo of amaqdrinker
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    November 8, 2008 at 9:27 am
    so a poor person who is alone can`t know happiness. i mean i guess part of the reason i believe in god is that in god there is equality. i believe that everyone can find the joy of god no matter what and that provides an equality to the world and a connection between my fellow man beyond just wanting him to promote the society so i gain something from him. do you have compassion for criminals?
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    November 8, 2008 at 9:28 am
    are you suggesting that humans cannot possess morality without the existance of god amaq?

    lets redirect this more precisely.

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    November 8, 2008 at 9:29 am
    vv "are you suggesting that humans cannot possess morality without the existance of god amaq?"

    Yup. For the last 4 pages now.

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    November 8, 2008 at 9:30 am
    vv "do you have compassion for criminals?"

    Definitely. I think capital punishment is abhorrent in the extreme.

  195. Profile photo of amaqdrinker
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    November 8, 2008 at 9:32 am
    "See Amaq? Told you what you were spouting was pretty f*cking offensive. Well done on upsetting shortsagitar, perhaps deeply."

    that doesn`t even make sense, this was a philosophical conversation where i was making conjectures based off of assumptions, and i was clearly using absurdist arguments

  196. Profile photo of amaqdrinker
    amaqdrinker Male 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 9:34 am
    "are you suggesting that humans cannot possess morality without the existance of god amaq?

    lets redirect this more precisely."

    youre logic is so flawed right now, i dont think anything exists without god, do you know what i mean when i say i believe in god? its not just something that i think is in my head to make me be nice.

  197. Profile photo of amaqdrinker
    amaqdrinker Male 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 9:35 am
    "Definitely. I think capital punishment is abhorrent in the extreme."

    why, these criminals have a negative effect on society and lower your happiness.

  198. Profile photo of davymid
    davymid Male 30-39
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    November 8, 2008 at 9:35 am
    And please stop banging on about my "ideology". As I`ve said before, I`m atheist. It`s not an ideology. All it means is I don`t believe in the existence of a god or gods. It has absolutley no bearing on anything else, so stop trying to make atheism out to be more than it is.

    I`m an atheist, and I`m totally against anarchy, nihilism, racial engineering, and everything else you`ve tried to accuse me of.

    Note by the way that I havn`t attacked Christianity in all your ranting (as easy as it is to do), but have sat here and taken misguided strawman argument attack after attack?

    Please stop attacking ideals that have nothing to do with atheism.

  199. Profile photo of davymid
    davymid Male 30-39
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    November 8, 2008 at 9:37 am
    vv "why, these criminals have a negative effect on society and lower your happiness."

    Then they serve time in jail and hopefully reform, and rejoin society to make a contribution. How about most countries/states that have capital punishment for criminals are deeply religious, such as the Islamic theocracies of teh Middle East or the Southern US states? Where`s the compassion there?

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    Slade8 Male 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 9:38 am
    Heh heh heh... about 2 minutes in you realize it`s a parody poking fun at Christians. That, or the guy is incredibly, unbelievably stupid.
  201. Profile photo of amaqdrinker
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    November 8, 2008 at 9:38 am
    and according to you happiness is the ultimate goal


    and by the way how can you have an ultimate goal for life that is completely unattainable for some. when i talk about joy that is a very different thing, it`s an inner peace. but happiness i`m sure is almost nonexistent to starving children in a third world country.

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    November 8, 2008 at 9:41 am
    pure easily tainted
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    fillemorte Female 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 9:43 am
    This person who made this is stupid, god didn`t write the bible, man wrote the bible, and scientists test the earth, and it says it`s been around for longer then 6,000 years, they even find artifacts..so if anything if there WAS a god, he`s proving to the scientists that they are right. I`m no atheist, I used to think of myself as one, but I only believe in the universe, no religion whatsoever, I just don`t enjoy labels, they make problems. I don`t believe in God, because I don`t believe in words as something they lasts forever or this mind or this time , a idol can be your god, and someone who believes in the christian god can slip up and pray to an idol to something other then god, like materialism and not even realize it, they`re hypocrites.

    Were like ants believing humans are god, when it`s just the next level, just keeps going.

    No god!

  204. Profile photo of amaqdrinker
    amaqdrinker Male 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 9:44 am
    davymid without a god there is only logic and reason, but obviously there is more than that, so you exist with these divine aspects, which are there whether you believe in them or not, and claim that they arent.
  205. Profile photo of davymid
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    November 8, 2008 at 9:45 am
    vv "but happiness i`m sure is almost nonexistent to starving children in a third world country."

    Very sad and very true. That`s why I contribute charitably whenever I can to thrid world relief. In fact, my wife and I are currently "sponsoring" a young orphan girl in Haiti (in a Catholic convent school) all the way through her education, so that she might have a better chance at happiness in the future.

    And I know anyone can say any old thing over the internet, but I promise that`s 100% true. Is your phantom of the big bad immoral atheist starting to break down any Amaq, now that you`re actually talking to one?

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    Radic393 Male 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 9:46 am
    amaq, why dont you see what the arguements really are?

    So even if mankind abandoned the thought of god completely, we would likely still have morality, because god created everything and instilled morality into us at creation.

    On the athiests side god never existed in the first place. Mankind lives morally through their own will to do so without having been givin this sense.

    Clearly this is a stalemate.

  207. Profile photo of amaqdrinker
    amaqdrinker Male 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 9:47 am
    davymid i never attacked you personally. i`m sure you are a great guy. but like i said in my last post you are great guy for reasons beyond pure reason and deny it. that`s my argument.
  208. Profile photo of davymid
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    November 8, 2008 at 9:54 am
    Amaq, I`ve never said anything about "pure reason", that`s you you you. I try to be a good member of society and try to so the right thing whenever I can. Like I`ve said a hundred times, I`m socially altruistic. THAT is my ideology.

    On a completely separate and unrelated note, I happen to be an atheist. Once again, all that means is I don`t believe that god exists. One has nothing to do with the other.

    For context by the way (not that it has anything to do with the discussion at hand, but may be of interest), I was once a hardcore born-again Christian for many years. I`m talking Bible camps, weekend retreats, Christian music concerts, the works. Then many different things happened in my life as I grew older (don`t ask, cause I`m not going to talk about it) that made me come to the conclusion that god probably doesn`t exist.

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    November 8, 2008 at 9:55 am
    God didn`t write the bible. And the humans who did actually took the egyptian stories and wrote them as variation in the bible. There are many similarities between the two religions except christianity is actually relativly a new religion. Look up zeitgeist the movie.
  210. Profile photo of amaqdrinker
    amaqdrinker Male 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 9:55 am
    "amaq, why dont you see what the arguements really are?

    So even if mankind abandoned the thought of god completely, we would likely still have morality, because god created everything and instilled morality into us at creation.

    On the athiests side god never existed in the first place. Mankind lives morally through their own will to do so without having been givin this sense.

    Clearly this is a stalemate."

    we are instilled with a potential to go either way. a true belief in god will lead you to morality. people who do good are believing in god in some way even if they deny it. god is goodness so to do good is to worship god. but to not acknowledge goodness as god and instead praise ourselves is where we get into trouble and often lose our way.

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    Radic393 Male 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 9:57 am
    amaq, i believe thats what i said. I`m surprised you dont ask how athiests can believe they manifested morality.
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    amaqdrinker Male 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 9:58 am
    "Amaq, I`ve never said anything about "pure reason", that`s you you you. I try to be a good member of society and try to so the right thing whenever I can. Like I`ve said a hundred times, I`m socially altruistic. THAT is my ideology. "

    pure reason is all that exists without god thats just a factual statement.

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    November 8, 2008 at 10:00 am
    Anyways, I`m going to have to duck out. Amaq, I notice some posters are starting to attack the Bible, how about you go play defence instead of offence for a while and go defend The Good Book.

    Laters.

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    November 8, 2008 at 10:02 am
    "On the athiests side god never existed in the first place. Mankind lives morally through their own will to do so without having been givin this sense."

    Moral ethics are beneficial to our survival, so they are passed on to future generations as favorable characteristics. The simple fact that we have a civilization requires that we have these shared moral behaviors - otherwise we`d go live alone in caves where nobody would kill us, steal our food or our women. These moral characteristics are exhibited by animals as well. Once again, the answer is evolution and Natural Selection- not "magic man done it".

  215. Profile photo of amaqdrinker
    amaqdrinker Male 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 10:05 am
    "amaq, i believe thats what i said. I`m surprised you dont ask how athiests can believe they manifested morality."

    wrong stop trying to act more intelligent then everyone. we can only define pure reason, there are things beyond that which are divine such as our conscious, its a spiritual thing. our morality comes from this spiritual side that is not attainable through reason, this spirit is god.

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    duffytoler Male 40-49
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    November 8, 2008 at 10:06 am
    Morality? The most atheist countries (Sweden, Norway and Japan) have the LOWEST crime rates. The more religious a country is, the more the crime goes up.
  217. Profile photo of amaqdrinker
    amaqdrinker Male 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 10:08 am
    everyone whos posted that god didnt write the bible a million times now please stop, that does not matter because god is not only in the bible but in the world. god is in everything. if man wrote the bible, obviously, then the truth was inspired through them, god spoke through them. because god was in them, as he is in everyone and everything.
  218. Profile photo of amaqdrinker
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    November 8, 2008 at 10:09 am
    "Morality? The most atheist countries (Sweden, Norway and Japan) have the LOWEST crime rates. The more religious a country is, the more the crime goes up."

    when religion is just a staple of a society and people just go through the motions that is not religion and god is not in it. ive said this a million times now this thread, something pure is easily tainted.

  219. Profile photo of Benjaphar
    Benjaphar Male 30-39
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    November 8, 2008 at 10:11 am
    "god is in everything. if man wrote the bible, obviously, then the truth was inspired through them, god spoke through them. because god was in them, as he is in everyone and everything."

    Well since God is in me, he inspired me to tell you that he doesn exist. Case closed.

  220. Profile photo of amaqdrinker
    amaqdrinker Male 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 10:12 am
    "Moral ethics are beneficial to our survival, so they are passed on to future generations as favorable characteristics. The simple fact that we have a civilization requires that we have these shared moral behaviors - otherwise we`d go live alone in caves where nobody would kill us, steal our food or our women. These moral characteristics are exhibited by animals as well. Once again, the answer is evolution and Natural Selection- not "magic man done it"."


    if you think what is socially expected from people is morality then i don`t know what to say. social expectations are a bane on true morality.

  221. Profile photo of amaqdrinker
    amaqdrinker Male 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 10:12 am
    "Well since God is in me, he inspired me to tell you that he doesn exist. Case closed."

    brilliant

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    amaqdrinker Male 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 10:17 am
    i guess ill come back and defend the existence of god later if i have to but i need to sleep now, peace everyone, and god bless :-)
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    Thetas Male 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 11:05 am
    I thought for once Christians would get the bat and start bashing atheists... But they didn`t.

    I thought this was hilarious.

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    Deadman3215 Male 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 11:06 am
    Lol.
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    lytesend Female 13-17
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    November 8, 2008 at 11:26 am
    Please let this be a parody, PLEASE let this be a parody!
  226. Profile photo of supersai20
    supersai20 Male 13-17
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    November 8, 2008 at 11:27 am
    why do people continue to believe christians are idiots?? we have just as valid opinions a you do
    its like saying african americans are idiots (which of course isnt true)
  227. Profile photo of Lauraly
    Lauraly Female 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 11:38 am
    vv Wow... that`s not even close to being a valid arguement.
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    MacCanuck Male 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 11:56 am
    GAH! Once again it is confirmed that it is impossible to create something so rediculous that people will realize it`s a joke. He was being satyrical. Also, supersai20, African american is not a belief sytem
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    samidoll Female 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 12:03 pm
    this is awesome
  230. Profile photo of Pallal
    Pallal Male 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 12:26 pm
    Either this guy is an idiot that believes everything hes read, or hes an atheist trying to make Christians stupid.
  231. Profile photo of SPrinkZ
    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 12:30 pm
    "Funny. Recently, a friend of mine said that she used to think agnostics were taking the easy way out, but as she thought more about the whole thing she realized they had thought through it more than anyone else."

    No they haven`t. They actually thought less about it.

  232. Profile photo of TheSharpest
    TheSharpest Male 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 12:36 pm
    Oh God... not another one of these videos... no more religious debates...

    I hate atheists who believe all Christians are foundamentalist morons who think to Earth is 6000 years old and do not believe in evolution. I also hate it when this atheists try to sell your believes to you. You`re not doing anybody a favor pal, you might as well shut up.
    I hate foundamentalist Christians who take the Bible way too literally, and think God literally did create us in 6 days.
    I don`t understand why some people think it has to be either Science or Religion.

  233. Profile photo of Agentk120
    Agentk120 Male 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 12:40 pm
    "No they haven`t. They actually thought less about it."
    Care to explain?
  234. Profile photo of catbarf
    catbarf Male 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 1:14 pm
    "I don`t understand why some people think it has to be either Science or Religion."

    Because historically, every time science has contradicted religion the fanatics have dismissed, opposed, or attacked the new findings that dare contradict their faith.

  235. Profile photo of lUnderground
    lUnderground Female 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 1:21 pm
    "Either this guy is an idiot that believes everything hes read, or hes an atheist trying to make Christians stupid."

    Since you`re not smart enough to figure it out yourself, he`s obviously just trying to send the message that the christians arguements against fundamental sciences are actually pretty ridiculous. For example, the part where he sais "Obviously God created the light from those Galaxies so that when he gave us telescopes we would have more stuff to look at". Obvious enough for you?

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    DuckBoy87 Male 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 1:25 pm
    I`m borderline Atheist.
    I believe something is out there, but as to what?

    I would like to rule in the notion of many gods for many worlds. Yes that would mean that there is life outside this earth as well, but limited to one per world.
    These gods are having contests with each other, manipulating worlds to make the inhabitants better. And in the end we shall invade another`s homeworld, or another shall invade ours. And whoever wins, our manipulator wins.

  237. Profile photo of lUnderground
    lUnderground Female 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 1:28 pm
    "Well since God is in me, he inspired me to tell you that he doesn exist. Case closed."
    brilliant

    Lol, amaq I find it funny how you have nothing else to say to that because you know he made you look like a complete idiot. And while I`m at it, since "God" is in me and everyone else, how come the majority of people here realize that you`re a pile of bullpoo. Actually most people have something called "Reason", most people have it but too bad you dont. cya

  238. Profile photo of lUnderground
    lUnderground Female 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 1:29 pm
    And Duckboy, life isnt some Videogame or movie, get your head out of the sand.
  239. Profile photo of felena
    felena Female 13-17
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    November 8, 2008 at 1:32 pm
    Oh joy..... another one of these.....

    1) God did not write the bible, or say he did.
    2) If you ignore the bible, you have NO PROOF.
    3) I don`t believe in `God`, but I respect everyone`s personal choice. I don`t believe that religion will EVER be squashed, and I`m fine with that.... As long as people don`t try to shove THEIR religion down MY throat, I don`t give a damn what you believe or not.

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    felena Female 13-17
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    November 8, 2008 at 1:37 pm
    and also, using Stephen Hawking as a "scientist freak" because he has ALS, is a cheap shot.
  241. Profile photo of -Spi-
    -Spi- Male 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 1:45 pm
    guys ... check the youtube page..its states

    "My indisputable Biblical proof that atheists are deluded and stupid. (Yes, this is a SATIRE.)"

    thus take it lightly! :D

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    yudontn0me Male 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 1:48 pm
    felena

    but god did say he wrote the bible...and anyone who has views that difer from mine (or pat robertsons) is obviously wrong. Go McCain. we can still win this thing.

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    Ivar2112 Male 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 1:50 pm
    yeeeey, God! <3 †
  244. Profile photo of sixclaws13
    sixclaws13 Male 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 1:51 pm
    "Lionhart2

    Sorry Gothic, I`m a Reformed Calvinist Christian which is about as hardcore as you can get, and I found it hilarious too. The guy`s ignorance of the subject he was piss-taking was evident from first point, where he misquotes scripture (God made the heaven*S*, ie the sky, not the Heaven place) to the last point (there are 3 aspects of God, not 2 - Father, Son and Holy Spirit - that`s why "they" are called The Holy Trinity). I wasn`t the least bit offended, because statements like "science and reason have no place in religion" are so laughable they jsut prove what a douchebag he is. No Christian was EVER afraid of science and reason, our Faith cannot fail any test science produces, so bring it on!"

    Amen.

  245. Profile photo of Vindicate
    Vindicate Female 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 2:05 pm
    That was friggin` awesome. Almost thought he was serious for the first 30 seconds or so... but that was hilarious.
  246. Profile photo of ChronicJ
    ChronicJ Male 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 2:27 pm
    There is no such thing as God. Grow up aleady.
  247. Profile photo of sixclaws13
    sixclaws13 Male 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 2:29 pm
    Wow, amaq was kind of alone there. I`m just going to copy and paste something from a previous post, because I think it is still relevant. There are admittedly strong arguments against faith being valid. I myself have experienced both ends of the argument, having been strongly agnostic leaning towards atheism for most of my thinking life. An extraordinary claim requires extraordinary evidence, and we, as a collective group of faithful, have none to offer the secular world. The evidence comes not to the whole, but to the individual. No doubt there are those who blindly accept both side of the argument, and there always will be. But for those of us who truly believe in something more, who really, truly believe, not just accept, it becomes so much more than something that can be proven through debate. And when the secular world accuses us of blindly accepting, of being unintelligent or believing fairy tales, it becomes offensive on a personal level. There will likely never be cohesive unde
  248. Profile photo of sixclaws13
    sixclaws13 Male 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 2:30 pm
    rstanding between the two; the best we can hope for is a peaceful coexistence, which will never come about unless both sides begin to realize that the other isn`t stupid, ignorant or stubborn, but that they truly hold what they believe as the truth.
  249. Profile photo of Lionhart2
    Lionhart2 Male 40-49
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    November 8, 2008 at 2:39 pm
    My God (or Deity, Theorum, or Subtitute of Your Choice), this thread sure took off overnight! I would say "Good morning" but since it means "God be with you this morning" that`s maybe not the best thing to say right now. So... did we prove that God exists or doesn`t exist while I was selfishly sleeping?
  250. Profile photo of ChronicJ
    ChronicJ Male 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 2:41 pm
    No.. And Santa Claus has been debunked too....
  251. Profile photo of sixclaws13
    sixclaws13 Male 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 2:42 pm
    Proved beyond a shadow of a doubt. Case closed. Now we can move on to Big Foot.
  252. Profile photo of ChronicJ
    ChronicJ Male 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 2:43 pm
    Easter Bunny... They made that one up as well...
  253. Profile photo of Lionhart2
    Lionhart2 Male 40-49
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    November 8, 2008 at 2:46 pm
    > felena
    > using Stephen Hawking as a "scientist freak" because he has ALS, is a cheap shot

    Yeah but he`s a TIMMY!!! midget in a wheelchair who can calculate how many neutrino quark warp strings are in your farts, but hasn`t discovered that speech synthesisers have got a lot better since Macintalk back in the 80`s?? C`mon, that poo is funny. Doesn`t Steven Hawking just strike you as a bit "unlikely", like he was scripted as a character on "Cheers" or something?

  254. Profile photo of sixclaws13
    sixclaws13 Male 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 2:51 pm
    Lionhart, I have a question, if you don`t mind me asking. How did you get into Calvinism? Were you raised into it or did you discover it on your own?
  255. Profile photo of moefreak
    moefreak Female 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 2:52 pm
    I think "Biblical proof" is a bit of an oxymoron.
  256. Profile photo of Joolin
    Joolin Male 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 2:56 pm
    oh man.. I am not putting my fingerprints on that trainwreck!
  257. Profile photo of Defqon
    Defqon Male 13-17
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    November 8, 2008 at 2:57 pm
    I stopped watching after I heard him talk.
    He just sounds annoying and it doesn`t help that he is saying annoying things.
    I wrote on a piece of paper "I am God."
    It says on this paper that I am God, therefor I am God because I wrote and I am God.
  258. Profile photo of ChronicJ
    ChronicJ Male 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 3:00 pm
    I believe in Calvin and Hobbes
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    ChronicJ Male 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 3:02 pm

  260. Profile photo of Turnshroud
    Turnshroud Female 18-29
    4230 posts
    November 8, 2008 at 3:06 pm
    If I draw the Natzi symbol and compare it to the Ameroicn eagle carrying the flag,..and say they`re the same, does it make it true?

    OF COURSE NOT!

    I was waiting fo this guy to announce he was joking.

    But I beleive he may have been?

    PLESAE tell me he was joking

  261. Profile photo of ChronicJ
    ChronicJ Male 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 3:11 pm
    It is called satire, Turnshroud
  262. Profile photo of davymid
    davymid Male 30-39
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    November 8, 2008 at 3:11 pm
    vv "So... did we prove that God exists or doesn`t exist while I was selfishly sleeping?"

    Welcome back Lion! Nah, no further along on that one... most of the thread to date was spent between me and Amaq, specifically on whether or not my personal disbelief in any gods equated me to a genocidal ethnic-cleansing racial supremacist. I`ll give you the highlights reel:

    1. Davymid didn`t attack Christianity one single bloody time (cookie?) but spent most of the time defending atheism (still trying to figure out why it needs defending being the default position and all that, but anyway...)

    2. Amaq managed to make at least one disabled person cry.

    3. Jury`s still out as to the origins of morality.

    4. Benjaphar won the internet by responding to Amaq`s comment "god is in everything" with the following zinger "Well since God is in me, he inspired me to tell you that he doesn`t exist."

    I think that about covers it so far...

  263. Profile photo of gandhi172
    gandhi172 Male 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 3:12 pm
    I want in in this debate! If... if it`s still going on...?
  264. Profile photo of Turnshroud
    Turnshroud Female 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 3:12 pm
    Yes.

    I is very happy now.

    I suspected it...just didn`t truel know.

    I wondered for a moment if he were stupider than venomfangx

  265. Profile photo of TheSharpest
    TheSharpest Male 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 3:13 pm
    "Because historically, every time science has contradicted religion the fanatics have dismissed, opposed, or attacked the new findings that dare contradict their faith."

    But science does not contradict religion, or viceversa! Seriously, if you dismiss science due to your religion, you`re failing to understand the Bible. As Pope John Paul II once said: the Bible is not a science paper, it`s a book about religion and morals.

  266. Profile photo of sixclaws13
    sixclaws13 Male 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 3:13 pm
    Little late ghandi, but it may start back up in a little while when people get off work.
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    Lionhart2 Male 40-49
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    November 8, 2008 at 3:14 pm
    1 of these things is not like the others, 3 of these things are kind of the same, can you tell me which is not like the others, before we finish our game?

    > sixclaws13
    > Lionhart How did you get into Calvinism?

    I was raised in a Christian family but pretty much rejected all of it. As I aged I discovered for myself examples of what I saw as proof of God`s existence; logically since I now believed He existed, the Bible must be read as truth, every word of it. I saw corruption of that message in almost every Christian I met, to some extent or other - people who said they were saved because "Jesus loves them" but still lived lives of unrepented sin, taking their "salvation" as a license to live however they wanted. I discovered all Baptist doctrine is a watered-down version of the original, which is labelled these days as "Calvinism", to get bums on seats.

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    Turnshroud Female 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 3:16 pm
    I liked how the guyt made the vid though.

    Lion- nyou`re religious? then better get off mate, we`re all going to hell. jkjk

    But in religious terms, I`m probab;ly going 2 all hells.


    Drug resistance is evolution.
    So is sticking a needle in yourself. The skin gets resistent after a while.

    Oh and, that `training` they did in Russi where they punch you constantly...ould you use this as an example?

  269. Profile photo of Lionhart2
    Lionhart2 Male 40-49
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    November 8, 2008 at 3:20 pm
    > davymid
    > Amaq managed to make at least one disabled person cry

    Oh that`s easy, all you do is go up to a disabled person, tell them you`re a famous doctor/scientist and that you`ve finally come up with a permanent cure for what they have which only takes 5 minutes and can be done right here, now... then look at your watch and say "Oh, is that the time??" and hurry away.

  270. Profile photo of Turnshroud
    Turnshroud Female 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 3:22 pm
    Hey Lion, are you a catastrophist?

    You know, the one where the fossils resulted from numerous creations?

    But it`s good to see people that say "Love Jesus or go to hell,"but are not hypothetical. No offense

  271. Profile photo of sixclaws13
    sixclaws13 Male 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 3:23 pm
    Turnshroud, are you ok? You seem to type... erratically.
  272. Profile photo of davymid
    davymid Male 30-39
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    November 8, 2008 at 3:24 pm
    vv Six, I`ve been pleading with Turnshroud to take the mitts off for many many long months...
  273. Profile photo of Lionhart2
    Lionhart2 Male 40-49
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    November 8, 2008 at 3:25 pm
    > Turnshroud
    > You know, the one where the fossils resulted from numerous creations?

    What fossils????

    (Puts blindfold back on and returns to chanting stoopid Catholic mantras)

  274. Profile photo of gandhi172
    gandhi172 Male 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 3:25 pm
    sixclaws... you have only just begun to know...
  275. Profile photo of Turnshroud
    Turnshroud Female 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 3:25 pm
    BAH! Where`s my microsoft word?

    There it is

  276. Profile photo of sixclaws13
    sixclaws13 Male 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 3:26 pm
    Thanks Lionhart, I`ve found that a lot of people who take their religion old school come into it themselves, while most who put it on a back burner but still claim to be believers were raised that way.
  277. Profile photo of ChronicJ
    ChronicJ Male 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 3:26 pm
    So Lionhart.. you are Calvinist? You are obviously not one of God`s "Elect," right? You are one of his creations that is predesintined to go to Hell?
  278. Profile photo of primetimekin
    primetimekin Male 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 3:27 pm
    "(Puts blindfold back on and returns to chanting stoopid Catholic mantras)"

    Silly lion, we don`t have mantras, we have Hymms

  279. Profile photo of sixclaws13
    sixclaws13 Male 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 3:30 pm
    ChronicJ is cruisin` for a verbal brusin`!
  280. Profile photo of Turnshroud
    Turnshroud Female 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 3:30 pm
    Ok, if you believe in God, and take what He says for true, then you have to realie the following. This is something that was actually at one point realized when we discovered North America.

    What was it? That there are no blacks in the Bible of any other ethnicity other than those of the Old World.

    Therefore, since man was created in God’s image, then all deformed people and people who are not white are spawns of the devil.

    This was realized when I was reminiscing about some book I partly read. I forget the name and all that, but basically they killed deformed people and animals.

    Oh and, since you don’t believe in science, then you don’t believe in genetic mutation and all that.

  281. Profile photo of sixclaws13
    sixclaws13 Male 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 3:31 pm
    Turnshroud, that is hands down the worst point anyone has ever made about anything, ever.
  282. Profile photo of ChronicJ
    ChronicJ Male 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 3:32 pm
    "ChronicJ is cruisin` for a verbal brusin`!"

    Just trying to understand a guy who calls himself a hardcore Christian who makes fun the the disabled, that is all.

  283. Profile photo of Turnshroud
    Turnshroud Female 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 3:33 pm
    It probably is...explain?
  284. Profile photo of sixclaws13
    sixclaws13 Male 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 3:33 pm
    BAM!! Suck it Trunshroud!
  285. Profile photo of Lionhart2
    Lionhart2 Male 40-49
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    November 8, 2008 at 3:33 pm
    > ChronicJ
    > You are one of his creations that is predesintined to go to Hell?

    Silly Chronic, don`t you know no-one religious thinks that THEY are the sinner going to hell, its everyone else! :-) For me its simple, if there IS a God (which I am convinced there is), then by definition, God is all-powerful. Since He is all-powerful, only He can decide who goes to Heaven or Hell - if it were not so, then He would have limits on His power, and therefore NOT be God. Modern religions fail at the point where they say "Just let Jesus into your heart and you`ll be saved, He can make the offer but YOU have to accept Him in" - so what they are really saying is "Jesus is not all-powerful, in fact, YOU are more powerful than Him because YOU can do something He can`t". To me that is total blasphemy.

  286. Profile photo of Turnshroud
    Turnshroud Female 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 3:34 pm
    *looks at Lion*

    ...yay...

  287. Profile photo of sixclaws13
    sixclaws13 Male 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 3:35 pm
    As far as the "made in Gods image" part, how does being deformed make you a spawn of the devil again? And as for the not believing in science, just plain wrong. It is possible to believe in both science and God. I`m proof.
  288. Profile photo of gandhi172
    gandhi172 Male 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 3:36 pm
    I have nothing wrong with people believing in God, I just don`t like it when those who do try to force others to accept their beliefs and change their lifestyles, and try to force their opinions upon those who disagree with them. Theists and atheists alike. Fortunately I don`t see this here. :-)
    This WAS a little off-topic though, so sorry for that.
  289. Profile photo of Lionhart2
    Lionhart2 Male 40-49
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    November 8, 2008 at 3:36 pm
    > Turnshroud
    > there are no blacks in the Bible of any other ethnicity

    Where the heck do you get that? The OT is full of people of different skin colours, heights, builds, and languages - from the Tower of Babel on especially, but even before that.

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    Overmann Male 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 3:36 pm
    I`m growing rather tired of Edward Current`s stuff. Maybe it`s his voice. Yeah, part of it`s definitely his voice. The other bit is it`s nothing new.
  291. Profile photo of Turnshroud
    Turnshroud Female 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 3:36 pm
    Yes.

    I`m just saying that if you don`t beleive in science, then you might not beleive in mutations

    Oh and, there`s still no North Americans in it

  292. Profile photo of sixclaws13
    sixclaws13 Male 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 3:37 pm
    The Bible chronicles the going ons of the land where God was working with his people, which was not in North America.
  293. Profile photo of gandhi172
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    November 8, 2008 at 3:38 pm
    While I don`t think there`s a "god," if a god is defined as a human-like being with thoughts, feelings, etc., I DO believe in a sort of higher power that created everything by means of the Big Bang and evolution, etc.
    There`s not enough evidence to clearly support either side though, but I find it unlikely that there`s a human-like god that so many people seem to believe in.
  294. Profile photo of sixclaws13
    sixclaws13 Male 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 3:38 pm
    Ok Turnshroud, one last time. We believe in science! We do, really,
  295. Profile photo of Turnshroud
    Turnshroud Female 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 3:38 pm
    But who says YOU`RE right?

    There have been thousands of religions since man asked `why?`

  296. Profile photo of Lionhart2
    Lionhart2 Male 40-49
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    November 8, 2008 at 3:39 pm
    > Overmann
    > I`m growing rather tired of Edward Current`s stuff. Maybe it`s his voice. Yeah, part of it`s definitely his voice. The other bit is it`s nothing new

    Out of left-field, a GOAL for being 100% on-topic! I never saw it coming!

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    Turnshroud Female 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 3:40 pm
    Okok. Just as long as you consider that they cn co-exist.


    But catastrophism COULD work. Think aboyt it, we don`;t TRULY know how other species` died

  298. Profile photo of ChronicJ
    ChronicJ Male 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 3:41 pm
    So ridiculing the disbaled is part of God`s path for salvation for you Lionhart? I seem to remember a guy named Jesus who once said something like, "That which you do to the least of these, you do unto me." You set a great Christian example...
  299. Profile photo of Turnshroud
    Turnshroud Female 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 3:42 pm
    Oh and one last note, it is possible that some who `hear god` are schiophrenics.

    However, if this is true...it propbably is, but Jesus was DEFINETLY not one of them. Just putting it in the field.

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    davymid Male 30-39
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    November 8, 2008 at 3:43 pm
    I would just like to drop the A-bomb on everyone in this thread, by making a profound and earth-shattering statement which is guaranteed to shake every soul on this board to the very foundations of their belief in the existence or non-existence of an almighty creator. Y`all ready for this? Here goes...

    "This is my 3000th post, bitches!"

    Now all of you, go and gibber in the corner while your puny mind futiley attempts to digest the enormity of that statement.

  301. Profile photo of sixclaws13
    sixclaws13 Male 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 3:43 pm
    ChronicJ, I fail to see how Lion "ridiculed the disabled". Thou shalt not joke is not a commandment, by the way.
  302. Profile photo of sixclaws13
    sixclaws13 Male 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 3:44 pm
    Davy, I would like to offer you a massive "Grats" from me and a "Well done" from my God.
  303. Profile photo of gandhi172
    gandhi172 Male 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 3:45 pm
    sixclaws, that theory is MUCH more likely than the human-esque theory that is most prevalent. So it`s more like, a thinking spirit-like thing, right? Though I still don`t think that`s the case, it is interesting and more likely than the conventional idea of God.
  304. Profile photo of Lionhart2
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    November 8, 2008 at 3:45 pm
    I profess my Faith openly to all, not unashamed of it, but I do not claim that every Believer has to believe what I personally do - Faith is a personal thing. I do not claim to be perfect, and my sense of humour is quirky, outlandish and sometimes offensive. Jesus certainly said that, and it was in reference to opening your door and letting the disadvantaged have a loaf of bread, a glass of water or shelter; which if you knew me in real life, you would know I have never refused anyone who came to my door. If my comments offended you I apologise profusely, and now go to flail myself.
  305. Profile photo of sixclaws13
    sixclaws13 Male 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 3:45 pm
    gandhi, as far as a "human-like God" or the "we were made in his image" part, there are several really interesting theories on what that means. There are those who think it means we look like him, but I also read a thought provoking essay about how that means that we were given thought, free will, etc, which separates us from the animals and makes us closer to His image.

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    gandhi172 Male 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 3:47 pm
    OH MY GOD DAVY
    The time is here. It has arrived. I proclaim that the day has come, the day that the Great Mod has posted... his 3000th comment.
    *bows down*
    We are not worthy, we are not worthy.
    I proclaim a new religion--Davymidism.
  307. Profile photo of Lionhart2
    Lionhart2 Male 40-49
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    November 8, 2008 at 3:48 pm
    > davymid
    > This is my 3000th post, bitches!

    Silly Davy, Creationist-Me can only see 3 posts! You must be mistaken. Get a lot of work done today, Davy? :-)

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    davymid Male 30-39
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    November 8, 2008 at 3:54 pm
    vv "Get a lot of work done today, Davy?"

    You darned Christians, always with the laying down the Guilt. Thanks Lionhart. Thanks a bunch.

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    November 8, 2008 at 3:54 pm
    "ChronicJ, I fail to see how Lion "ridiculed the disabled". Thou shalt not joke is not a commandment, by the way."

    "Oh that`s easy, all you do is go up to a disabled person, tell them you`re a famous doctor/scientist and that you`ve finally come up with a permanent cure for what they have which only takes 5 minutes and can be done right here, now... then look at your watch and say "Oh, is that the time??" and hurry away."

    Good way to spread the Gospel.I guess he could said "Dump them out of their wheel chair."

    The Pharosees didn`t fool Jesus.

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    Turnshroud Female 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 3:55 pm
    Congrats Davy!

    Also, is it just me or have the not-so good creationists gone bye-bye?

  311. Profile photo of davymid
    davymid Male 30-39
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    November 8, 2008 at 3:55 pm
    vv "I proclaim a new religion--Davymidism."

    Tis true Gandhi. Tis true.

    "For I am the Lord thy Mod, and thou shalt have no other Mods before me"

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    November 8, 2008 at 3:56 pm
    Edward current is really, really annoying, regardless of his viewpoint. I would probably strike him.
  313. Profile photo of sixclaws13
    sixclaws13 Male 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 3:57 pm
    Mr. Chronic, I`m not quite sure what you`re trying to prove here.
  314. Profile photo of Turnshroud
    Turnshroud Female 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 4:06 pm
    There is also IABoredeum.
    The difference?

    The IABoredians believe in only the Bored Face tht had an orgy with the first man and thus populated the Earth.

    Davymidens however, disagree. They claim that Dav Yeh Mid is the king of the gods. Dav fathered many other gods.

    Two of these gods were Gun Dhi the god of strength, facial hair and splendid nudity and Red One the god of envy.

    Dav Yeh Mid ordered them to have sex to create the First Man. This man would be stronng and filled with desire.

    It is in their belief that the Bored Face is the face of all the gods combined in one image. Which is why it as asexual an was enable to create a child.

  315. Profile photo of primetimekin
    primetimekin Male 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 4:06 pm
    "There is also IABoredeum.
    The difference?
    The IABoredians believe in only the Bored Face tht had an orgy with the first man and thus populated the Earth.

    Davymidens however, disagree. They claim that Dav Yeh Mid is the king of the gods. Dav fathered many other gods.

    Two of these gods were Gun Dhi the god of strength, facial hair and splendid nudity and Red One the god of envy.

    Dav Yeh Mid ordered them to have sex to create the First Man. This man would be stronng and filled with desire.

    It is in their belief that the Bored Face is the face of all the gods combined in one image. Which is why it as asexual an was enable to create a child."

    ... strong stuff, eh?

  316. Profile photo of ChronicJ
    ChronicJ Male 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 4:08 pm
    "Mr. Chronic, I`m not quite sure what you`re trying to prove here."

    I find it funny, tabbing through 13 pages or so of comments on doctrine, and theory and all... But someone calling themselves a Christian, fails to meet the admontion of "The Greatest Commandment" (not my words BTW). The Pharosees of Jesus` time knew the Law (like a lot of Christians who can quote Scripture, Chapter and Verse). It was (and is) written in their mind, but not in their hearts...

  317. Profile photo of Turnshroud
    Turnshroud Female 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 4:11 pm
    It would still be difficult to fully clense the mind, soul, body and spirit
  318. Profile photo of Lionhart2
    Lionhart2 Male 40-49
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    November 8, 2008 at 4:16 pm
    1. In the beginning Mod created the forums and the mirth.
    2. Now the forum was formless and empty, banality was over the surface of the page, and the spirit of Mod was hovering around my daughters.
    3. And Mod said, "Let there be a fight," and there was a fight.
    4. Mod saw that the fight was good, and He separated the fight from the blandness.
    5. Mod called the fight "flame," and the blandness he called "sigh." And there was evening, and there was morning of the first day.
    6. And Mod said, "Let there be a new post between the threads to separate thread from thread."
    7. So Mod made the post and separated the thread under the smile from the thread after it. And it was so.

    Could work... meh, I think I`ll stick to Christianity, at least until Mod can fry a sausage at 1,000 paces with his little finger.

  319. Profile photo of darqnss
    darqnss Female 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 4:20 pm
    christians are silly buggers.

    HAIL SATAN!!

  320. Profile photo of davymid
    davymid Male 30-39
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    November 8, 2008 at 4:20 pm
    vv Lionhart, I have 3 pages favourited from my entire history at I-A-B. You just single-handedly made this one number 4.
  321. Profile photo of sixclaws13
    sixclaws13 Male 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 4:21 pm
    Pretty good interpretation there Lion. Not quite enough to warrant a conversion, but good.
  322. Profile photo of sixclaws13
    sixclaws13 Male 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 4:21 pm
    Ooo darqnss, what a unique and well thought out point. You made me change my mind completely!
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    willem199 Male 13-17
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    November 8, 2008 at 4:23 pm
    Older tan John McCain
  324. Profile photo of davymid
    davymid Male 30-39
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    November 8, 2008 at 4:25 pm
    vv "Could work... meh, I think I`ll stick to Christianity, at least until Mod can fry a sausage at 1,000 paces with his little finger."

    OK, lemme try:

    "And Mod looked upon his creation, and he saw that it was Food."

  325. Profile photo of Lionhart2
    Lionhart2 Male 40-49
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    November 8, 2008 at 4:26 pm
    > darqnss

    Yeah here we`ve been debating it for thousands of pages and all this time i didn`t realise I was a silly bugger. You`ve convinced me! You like arguing in a crowd do you? Like a huge crowd? You really sound like you like mass debating in public. I think you mass debate whenever you can. Keep up that mass debating sir!

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    krembill Male 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 4:27 pm
    Did I smell irony?
  327. Profile photo of Lionhart2
    Lionhart2 Male 40-49
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    November 8, 2008 at 4:28 pm
    Ptooey, food we can make in the dirt in our own back gardens. It`s Apple shares we need, False One!!

    (leads mob off to gather stones)

  328. Profile photo of darqnss
    darqnss Female 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 4:29 pm
    Im not lookin to change anyones mind. converting people is dumb. let them find their own way. I dont believe in god. I dont believe theres a difference between good and evil. but Im not gonna shove beliefs on anyone, nor will I be mad if someone tells me their beliefs. Its just pointless.
  329. Profile photo of davymid
    davymid Male 30-39
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    November 8, 2008 at 4:31 pm
    Lionhart, darqnss is truly a first-class example of a mass debater at work.
  330. Profile photo of darqnss
    darqnss Female 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 4:31 pm
    hahaha arguing about religion is for noob-asses.

    ps Im a chick. lol

    hail satan.

  331. Profile photo of sixclaws13
    sixclaws13 Male 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 4:32 pm
    You remind me of a friend I had you said he didn`t believe in God, but worshipped Satan. I asked him if he meant evil in general, but he meant the actual fallen angel Lucifer. I asked how that was possible without God, and he stared blankly. He went on to get expelled from three schools before becoming a heroin addict.
  332. Profile photo of davymid
    davymid Male 30-39
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    November 8, 2008 at 4:32 pm
    darqnss, are you really a Satanist? Or just a troll?
  333. Profile photo of Lionhart2
    Lionhart2 Male 40-49
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    November 8, 2008 at 4:33 pm
    I think I might have to insert a "Boom Boom" in here Davy, I think you`re the only one that got it so far... :-)
  334. Profile photo of sixclaws13
    sixclaws13 Male 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 4:33 pm
    And on that note, I`m off! I thoroughly enjoyed this discussion, it`s nice to have a place where the minds are at least semi open to talk. Adios all.
  335. Profile photo of NowPleaseRea
    NowPleaseRea Male 70 & Over
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    November 8, 2008 at 4:35 pm
    What do you call it when an opposing camp poses as their opposite and presents their views for them in an effort to make them look bad? Did those `527` political ad makers try that tactic this past campaign?
  336. Profile photo of davymid
    davymid Male 30-39
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    November 8, 2008 at 4:36 pm
    Lionhart, only the top quartile of IQ has any chance of understanding your wit. Unfortuntely I-A-B isn`t exactly Mensa. You might`ve noticed.
  337. Profile photo of darqnss
    darqnss Female 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 4:36 pm
    No im not actually satanic at all. I dont worship any being. But I dont think theres any distinction between good and evil. most satanists are weird. lol. however, i do listen to black metal haha.
  338. Profile photo of ChronicJ
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    November 8, 2008 at 4:37 pm
    "Jesus certainly said that, and it was in reference to opening your door and letting the disadvantaged have a loaf of bread, a glass of water or shelter; which if you knew me in real life, you would know I have never refused anyone who came to my door."

    Lionheart, Jesus said to go OUT and make Disiples of all nations. He did not say you should stay at home and open the door if someone rang....

  339. Profile photo of Lionhart2
    Lionhart2 Male 40-49
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    November 8, 2008 at 4:37 pm
    Good point NowPleaseRea, and completely on-topic. Well done, you`ve shamed all of us into remembering why we`re here. It`s called "deception", a "wolf in sheep`s clothing", or more generally, "normal politics".
  340. Profile photo of Turnshroud
    Turnshroud Female 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 4:39 pm
    As for myself, I must call it a night as well.

    God speed

    (Was that right? I am forgetful. If I beleive in God, it`s only as some form of confidence booster or the finger that put the dominos in motion)

  341. Profile photo of davymid
    davymid Male 30-39
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    November 8, 2008 at 4:47 pm
    I`m off too, to indulge in the gentle art of Gears of War 2. Peace out, one and all.
  342. Profile photo of primetimekin
    primetimekin Male 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 4:48 pm
    "HAIL SATAN!!"

    So you`ve met my boss?

  343. Profile photo of Lionhart2
    Lionhart2 Male 40-49
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    November 8, 2008 at 4:49 pm
    > ChronicJ
    > Jesus said to go OUT and make Disiples of all nations

    "And he ordained TWELVE, that they should be with him, and that he might send THEM forth to preach, And to have power to heal sicknesses, and to cast out devils. And he said unto THEM, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved"

    Your "Great Commission" is a modern feelgood lie. By all means Christians should spread their faith and belief, but to pretend you do it by Royal Command is egotistical self-deception on a grand scale.

  344. Profile photo of ChronicJ
    ChronicJ Male 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 4:49 pm
    I am off to read my Holy Bible to figure out what faith Lionhart has been boasting about.
  345. Profile photo of ChronicJ
    ChronicJ Male 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 4:55 pm
    "Your "Great Commission" is a modern feelgood lie. By all means Christians should spread their faith and belief, but to pretend you do it by Royal Command is egotistical self-deception on a grand scale."


    OMG.. we are all gonna wake up some day and read a news story about some cult in Australia that committed mass-suicide.. LOL. Holy poo!! Anyone who further engaes this guy could push his whole cult over the edge.. He as converted me from being Agnostic to "I am gonna go to Mass tomorrow."

  346. Profile photo of Lionhart2
    Lionhart2 Male 40-49
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    November 8, 2008 at 5:01 pm
    I do not mean to derail anyone`s faith. Believe and act as God moves you, because faith, above all else, is a PERSONAL obedience to God, as the Holy Spirit moves each individual person. Just don`t be deceived by those whom Christ described, who will stand before Him and say "Didn`t we say blah-blah? And do this and that and the other in Your name?" and He will say "Depart from Me, workers on INIQUITY, I never even knew you." Note that He doesn`t describe them as nobodies who did nothing, but that through all the years they claim to have been doing His work, they were actually doing BAD. Watch those people, is all I`m saying.
  347. Profile photo of ChronicJ
    ChronicJ Male 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 5:01 pm
    "I do not mean to derail your faith, Chronic. Believe and act as God moves you..."

    ^^ he is serious, I mean really serious...

  348. Profile photo of Lionhart2
    Lionhart2 Male 40-49
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    November 8, 2008 at 5:04 pm
    Of course I`m serious, It`s Sunday morning, this is church. At least it is here! LOL
  349. Profile photo of ChronicJ
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    November 8, 2008 at 5:06 pm
    Let us bow our heads and pass the collection basket! LOL
  350. Profile photo of Lionhart2
    Lionhart2 Male 40-49
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    November 8, 2008 at 5:10 pm
    > ChronicJ
    > Let us bow our heads and pass the collection basket

    You can do that by clicking on the sponsored links and other adverts on any IAB page. Go on, do it now.

  351. Profile photo of ChronicJ
    ChronicJ Male 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 5:12 pm
    OOH the ne LG Glimmer!!! *Clicks*
  352. Profile photo of ChronicJ
    ChronicJ Male 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 5:13 pm
    Wow! Who needs iPhone?
  353. Profile photo of Turnshroud
    Turnshroud Female 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 5:16 pm
    Hey, back for now.

    I also don`t think watching church on tv should count.

  354. Profile photo of ChronicJ
    ChronicJ Male 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 5:20 pm
    Shhhh!!! flames have subsided.. LOL
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    November 8, 2008 at 5:29 pm
    Hello everyone, I have arrived. Let the celebrations commence and begin the feast.
  356. Profile photo of ChronicJ
    ChronicJ Male 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 5:44 pm
    Kill the fatted calf!!!
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    November 8, 2008 at 5:50 pm
    yay Sam Harris!
  358. Profile photo of gandhi172
    gandhi172 Male 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 5:50 pm
    Sound the feasting horn!
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    britt566 Female 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 6:24 pm
    AHH. I hate these. This guy is a douche bag (didn`t watch the whole thing). I would say soo much... but I`m in the middle of moving and I don`t want to piss myself off. :/
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    deadskull35 Male 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 6:26 pm
    yes yes im deluded. atleast i do not talk to myself at night and have conversations with things that dont EXIST! HAH! schizo.
  361. Profile photo of Turnshroud
    Turnshroud Female 18-29
    4230 posts
    November 8, 2008 at 6:53 pm
    V-lolz

    *Drinks wine* What? It`s the internet! What happened to VikingGuy?

    Where`s Maddog?

    Let`s make sure Fancy can pay his rent

  362. Profile photo of davymid
    davymid Male 30-39
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    November 8, 2008 at 6:55 pm
    Turnshroud, Maddog has left Middle Earth for the Grey Havens beyond the White Tower, I fear never to return...
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    twinkletits Male 13-17
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    November 8, 2008 at 6:59 pm
    I`m pretty sure that was an atheist making fun of christians because that was funny sh*t. If he was trying to prove atheists wrong he just made himself look like an ass. I believe in god, but i most certainly do not believe in the bible. It is an old,outdated peice of literature that serves as nothing more than a guideline to live your life. most of that sh*t is common sense anyways... don`t steal, don`t murder, don`t lie, don`t cheat on your lover..theres a little thing we all have in our heads called a conscience that tells us what is right and what is wrong. I don`t need a book full of fairy tales to tell me what is or is not right. besides heres a fun fact.. the bible wasn`t written by Jesus or God.. the old testiment was written by the jews and the new testiment was written 200 years after jesus died, the catholic church has records telling about it to prove it(saw it on the history channel)how can a book written 200 years after some one died be the authentic word of that person?
  364. Profile photo of Turnshroud
    Turnshroud Female 18-29
    4230 posts
    November 8, 2008 at 7:02 pm
    Ha.

    I still must put 6$ in the saddageh(sp? Charity…?)

    It was hot, two times and I was walking the streets of Tehran. Basically I was hot and said a silent prayer that I’d put 3 dollars there if I became cooler and was able to make it to the mall or whatever…without getting hotter.

    Could it just be a coincidence? Maybe

    God? Maybe

    Self-fulfilling prophecy? Maybe

    But either way I owe six bucks

  365. Profile photo of amaqdrinker
    amaqdrinker Male 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 7:13 pm
    not going to get back into this thread but just want to say that this post:

    "Well since God is in me, he inspired me to tell you that he doesn exist. Case closed."

    is absolutely retarded. people seem to have been acting as if i was debunked by it or some bullsh*t like that. it doesn`t even make any sense. heres what i posted to warrant this response as well:

    "everyone whos posted that god didnt write the bible a million times now please stop, that does not matter because god is not only in the bible but in the world. god is in everything. if man wrote the bible, obviously, then the truth was inspired through them, god spoke through them. because god was in them, as he is in everyone and everything."

    not the most articulate thing i`ve ever said, but the concept is something that i believe everyone is familiar with and if i didn`t voice it perfectly because i was half asleep then at least you know what i`m talking about.

  366. Profile photo of davymid
    davymid Male 30-39
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    November 8, 2008 at 7:17 pm
    Turnshroud, try as I might to attempt to approach your posts from every conceivable religious, intellectual, or logical direction that I can think of in order to understand you, I still find everything you say deeply impenetrable.
  367. Profile photo of davymid
    davymid Male 30-39
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    November 8, 2008 at 7:17 pm
    And hey Amaq, welcome back.
  368. Profile photo of Turnshroud
    Turnshroud Female 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 7:21 pm
    Well, right now that`s not my worry.

    Just go to Kubrick. In religious terms...that guy may be doing somtghing sinful(hmm...)

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    Turnshroud Female 18-29
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    November 8, 2008 at 7:22 pm
    Oh and davy, please explain. Am I not clear enough? Not as fired up as I used to be I suppose.
  370. Profile photo of Pindragon
    Pindragon Male 18-29
    601 posts
    November 8, 2008 at 7:25 pm
    This is an insult to all Christians.

    Whoever did this is either one idiotic christian, or one overly sarcastic athiest.

    Eitherway... VERY insulting.

  371. Profile photo of FireEmerald
    FireEmerald Male 13-17
    174 posts
    November 8, 2008 at 7:30 pm
    That wasn`t funny. that was idiotic and stupid. Why is this considered funny?
  372. Profile photo of Deviros
    Deviros Male 18-29
    535 posts
    November 8, 2008 at 7:34 pm
    insulting
  373. Profile photo of taitai
    taitai Female 13-17
    63 posts
    November 8, 2008 at 7:51 pm
    alrite people obviously that was sarcasm. but i dont think that he was insulting the religion..okay maybe just a little bit but i think he is right. some people take religion too far, but that`s their belief and we shouldnt put them down for it. their belief becomes a problem when they try to push their faith and beliefs onto other people. everyone has their own individual thought and we should respect that and try not to force them to think a certain way. so this guy is just trying to put his thoughts out there and saying that you can be religious but dont live like people did in the 14th century because thats not where you are righte now.
    by all means i`m not an athiest i do have a religion and i somewhat belive in god, but once again i dont think people should devote so much of their life to god and religon that they dont see anything else.
    sorry if i offended anyone :-/ juss saying what i felt was right.
    peace
  374. Profile photo of Gerbear
    Gerbear Female 18-29
    1186 posts
    November 8, 2008 at 8:26 pm
    Why do I feel like he sounds just a lil sarcastic?

    "The Bible is a book that says that God wrote it. That is not proof that God wrote it."

    "You are WAY off-base as a Christian if you don`t accept the Bible as truth from its very first words. If it says 7 days, it means 7 literal 24 hour days. not thousands of years. If you can`t accept that, you aren`t a Believer whether you think you are or not."

    Correction, Christians believe that God INSPIRED writers to write the Bible. He didn`t actually sit down and write it himself.
    Maybe it`s because I`m Catholic and believe firmly in my faith, but that`s what we believe. Get it straight. It`s just straight down ignorance. Atheists are right in saying that yes there is science, proof, rationality. But Christians have something they won`t ever have, and that`s faith. And, contrary to popular belief, there are some Christians out there that do NOT take the Bible literally. We know enough to understand that it is IMPOSS

  375. Profile photo of Gerbear
    Gerbear Female 18-29
    1186 posts
    November 8, 2008 at 8:28 pm
    IBLE that God made the world in SEVEN days. We take into the account the huge amount of evidence that has been discovered, the fossils for example. To completely disregard that fact is utter ignorance.
    Quoting South Park, "Isn`t evolution the how and creation the why?" Gosh, you can learn sooo many things from that show.

    Sorry, didn`t finish.

  376. Profile photo of ChickenVomit
    ChickenVomit Male 18-29
    29 posts
    November 8, 2008 at 8:36 pm
    I think it dosn`t matter if there is a God(or Gods)or if there isn`t.As a human, whether you belive god created the heavens and earth in 7 days or the universe was created out of a giant explosion, it is always our responsibility to be the best we can to help people in need and progress as one.Not only excepting others differences but embracing and appreciating them. I mean if ever in life you find yourself doing somthing out of the fear of being punished in the next life or finding solace in that you will never be punished for what you do then i feel what ever your doing it`s being done for the wrong reason or is the wrong thing to do. I say live your life as you feel you should and i think for everyone that includes being a good person.B-l Crap it sounds preachy don`t it, thats what i tried to avoid but oh well i stand by it and if anyone has any beef with it thats fine I just don`t want to hear any thing about my grammer or spelling if i do im ganna be pissed (Yea 1000 chars. Woo!!)
  377. Profile photo of emzrok
    emzrok Female 13-17
    1306 posts
    November 8, 2008 at 8:43 pm
    *screams*

    FLAAAMEE WARRRR!

  378. Profile photo of powpowking
    powpowking Male 13-17
    551 posts
    November 8, 2008 at 9:34 pm
    .....wtf mate?!?
  379. Profile photo of cheeznipz
    cheeznipz Female 13-17
    47 posts
    November 8, 2008 at 9:41 pm
    sarcasm never wins an argument.
    it pushes people away :/
    christians will just get pissed

    and i agree with ChickenVomit

  380. Profile photo of headbanger80
    headbanger80 Male 13-17
    438 posts
    November 8, 2008 at 9:49 pm
    BELIEF WAR!!!!
  381. Profile photo of xxmiranda
    xxmiranda Female 13-17
    235 posts
    November 8, 2008 at 10:15 pm
    haha

    That is a genius way to present WHY god doesn`t exist! :)

  382. Profile photo of supersai20
    supersai20 Male 13-17
    105 posts
    November 8, 2008 at 10:18 pm
    those who comment a friggin lot "like lion" call this a "debate" others just call it a flame war
  383. Profile photo of dawntodusk
    dawntodusk Female 18-29
    1 post
    November 8, 2008 at 10:34 pm
    This is drating BULLpoo.
    Think, this thing presents BIBLICAl evidence. Do you really thing atheists believe in the drating BIBLE?
    Religion is pseudo-science, pure and simple. It cannot be proven or disproven. Thus, it cannot be trusted as an absolute truth.
    I sincerely hope that this video was made in jest. If not, things are even worse than I thought.
  384. Profile photo of JokeWolf
    JokeWolf Male 18-29
    108 posts
    November 8, 2008 at 10:36 pm
    Oh, I understand. It`s true because the bible says it is. Awesome. I`m gonna go stone a prostitute and then kill myself because I disobeyed my parents. Bye, yall!
  385. Profile photo of vitaliy
    vitaliy Male 18-29
    1669 posts
    November 8, 2008 at 11:11 pm
    Lol
    God never said he wrote the bible....
  386. Profile photo of MGUESTY
    MGUESTY Male 30-39
    75 posts
    November 8, 2008 at 11:16 pm
    Well IM convinced!...Take THAT Richard Dawkins!...
  387. Profile photo of bigmaac
    bigmaac Male 18-29
    97 posts
    November 8, 2008 at 11:49 pm
    This video isn`t sarcastic at all
  388. Profile photo of Lionhart2
    Lionhart2 Male 40-49
    8309 posts
    November 9, 2008 at 2:37 am
    My last word on the religious debate (for now anyway): I`m a Christian, but I can take the piss out of myself for it. The idea that an intelligent rational and logical person can believe in an invisible, unknowable and unprovable God IS funny, whether it be myself or someone else. That doesn`t diminish my faith one iota. And I can say without fear of hypocrisy that WHICHEVER side of the debate you are on, two movies that EVERYONE should see in relation to Religion are (1) Monty Python`s Life of Brian; and (2) Dogma. Though separated by years and years, BOTh movies do two things: take the piss out of Religion, and at the same time, make you think VERY deeply about it. And that`s exactly what any Religious debate SHOULD do.
  389. Profile photo of wtffail
    wtffail Male 13-17
    162 posts
    November 9, 2008 at 3:53 am
    answer to your last question- YOU!
  390. Profile photo of chimmeychang
    chimmeychang Male 30-39
    685 posts
    November 9, 2008 at 5:17 am
    kill god....
    free man!
  391. Profile photo of Coodude26
    Coodude26 Male 13-17
    340 posts
    November 9, 2008 at 7:49 am
    Youtube description:
    "My indisputable Biblical proof that atheists are deluded and stupid. (Yes, this is a SATIRE.) "
  392. Profile photo of boredfjord
    boredfjord Male 13-17
    928 posts
    November 9, 2008 at 9:39 am
    hahaha God is unbelievable. Absolutely unbelievable.
  393. Profile photo of dude1234
    dude1234 Male 13-17
    66 posts
    November 9, 2008 at 10:34 am
    IT`S RELIGIOUS BELIEF!!!!
    WHO THE F*** CARES ABOUT THIS!!!!
    Keep to yourself and the world will be a better place.
  394. Profile photo of runroy
    runroy Male 18-29
    103 posts
    November 9, 2008 at 11:31 am
    The bible was written by man, not god. and man can be corrupted.
  395. Profile photo of keith2
    keith2 Male 18-29
    2587 posts
    November 9, 2008 at 12:04 pm
    oooohh burn.. how you like them apples, atheists.
  396. Profile photo of robbery525
    robbery525 Male 13-17
    329 posts
    November 9, 2008 at 12:12 pm
    wow. im not atheist, but hes pretty retardeed.
  397. Profile photo of moefreak
    moefreak Female 18-29
    1963 posts
    November 9, 2008 at 12:52 pm
    :D Classic circularity in that argument. It`s funny, peeps. But I agree that there`s nothing like a good theological argument, as long as it`s not along the lines of "God exists!" "No he doesn`t!" "Does too!" "You`re stupid.".
  398. Profile photo of roxaroni
    roxaroni Female 18-29
    18 posts
    November 9, 2008 at 12:59 pm
    lmao for the first few seconds I was just like "wtf? is this kid serious?" but after a while it was pretty obvious this was all sarcasm.

    Nope, I`m good as an atheist, thank you. :)

  399. Profile photo of Aintudied
    Aintudied Male 18-29
    14 posts
    November 9, 2008 at 1:43 pm
    Numpty
  400. Profile photo of biblebasher
    biblebasher Male 18-29
    194 posts
    November 9, 2008 at 2:40 pm
    It`s funny cause the bible is just a book :)
  401. Profile photo of Vagrant86
    Vagrant86 Male 18-29
    2557 posts
    November 9, 2008 at 3:07 pm
    Fake, Just someone who wants to start a bible fight.
  402. Profile photo of HedlesChkn
    HedlesChkn Male 18-29
    113 posts
    November 9, 2008 at 4:36 pm
    Damn! I was expecting an eloquently put argument that would 100% convert me and put me back on the path to "righteousness"..
    ah well, my ignosticism lasts another day..
  403. Profile photo of DavioMagnifi
    DavioMagnifi Male 13-17
    600 posts
    November 9, 2008 at 5:03 pm
    F*ck this guy hes just trying to make christians look bad
  404. Profile photo of kati
    kati Female 13-17
    2 posts
    November 9, 2008 at 5:06 pm
    im not an atheist im Christian catholic and i do believe in god but this video is total bull not all scientists have to be atheist you are just to ignorant to see that while your reading your "oh so holy" bible and wow god did not put galaxy`s out beyond the earth so he could give us pretty things to look at ignorant people like this make me not want to be Christian catholic!
  405. Profile photo of Gerbear
    Gerbear Female 18-29
    1186 posts
    November 9, 2008 at 5:17 pm
    "And I can say without fear of hypocrisy that WHICHEVER side of the debate you are on, two movies that EVERYONE should see in relation to Religion are (1) Monty Python`s Life of Brian; and (2) Dogma."

    I agree with you there. Dogma is one of my all time favorite movies. (:

  406. Profile photo of FatCam
    FatCam Male 18-29
    45 posts
    November 9, 2008 at 6:37 pm
    oh that was brilliant. i know this is just a crap video but i dont understand how people believe something written in a random book. i mean i could say im jesus and people would believe me
  407. Profile photo of Braber01
    Braber01 Male 18-29
    153 posts
    November 9, 2008 at 7:26 pm
    FatCam I Challange you To That I Want An Unedited video you you turning water into wine YOU CANOT USE ANY EDITING TECHNEIQUES AT ALL JUST THE CAMRA RECORDING YOU TURNING WATER INTO WINE
  408. Profile photo of Toxicityrckr
    Toxicityrckr Male 18-29
    138 posts
    November 9, 2008 at 7:43 pm
    This video is why I hate America and Christians. America is full of Christians. I wrote the above statment. bow to me
  409. Profile photo of Chiburashka
    Chiburashka Male 18-29
    292 posts
    November 9, 2008 at 8:40 pm
    LMAO! I never fail to underestimate how many people take satire seriously. It`s like reading comments on YouTube.

    But seriously, pretty funny.

  410. Profile photo of redlamp
    redlamp Female 18-29
    2 posts
    November 9, 2008 at 10:56 pm
    I`m pretty sure Stephen Hawking believes in God...
  411. Profile photo of Bekll
    Bekll Female 18-29
    1984 posts
    November 10, 2008 at 12:50 am
    "also can you honestly look at this earth and say that there was no creator when obviously there is one, the earth is fine tuned for our comfortable living so that we don`t just die of lack of something."

    We evolved to the planet`s conditions to survive... not the other way around. I can honestly look around and say THERE IS NO GOD. See?

  412. Profile photo of Bekll
    Bekll Female 18-29
    1984 posts
    November 10, 2008 at 1:10 am
    fillemorte: "This person who made this is stupid, god didn`t write the bible, man wrote the bible..."
    It`s satire.

    "I`m no atheist...I don`t believe in God..."
    You are an atheist.

  413. Profile photo of Benjaphar
    Benjaphar Male 30-39
    108 posts
    November 10, 2008 at 8:25 am
    "there would be no singularities at which the laws of science broke down and no edge of space-time at which one would have to appeal to God or some new law to set the boundary conditions for space-time . . . The universe would be completely self-contained and not affected by anything outside itself. It would neither be created nor destroyed. It would just BE . . . What place, then, for a creator?" -Stephen Hawking
  414. Profile photo of Backfat
    Backfat Male 30-39
    1897 posts
    November 10, 2008 at 11:25 am
    I can`t tell if this was sarcasm or not.
  415. Profile photo of ThatWasFunny
    ThatWasFunny Male 18-29
    702 posts
    November 10, 2008 at 1:11 pm
    It`s sarcasm, it`s the same retard who did that thing asking 10 questions using the same answer for each one a few months ago.
  416. Profile photo of eaglep1603
    eaglep1603 Male 18-29
    2 posts
    November 10, 2008 at 6:06 pm
    What if the god that man has created is not the god that actually existed. Atheists are just as guilty as christians in trying to spread the word of their completely ignorant religion because in truth, NO ONE KNOWS! Look up something called the god particle. Science is just as confused on how we got to where we are as anyone else. I am of the religion called none. I choose to not believe because of what I have learned but calling people who choose to believe ignorant, deluded or stupid? Well that is more ignorant than anything anyone chooses to believe
  417. Profile photo of Bekll
    Bekll Female 18-29
    1984 posts
    November 12, 2008 at 6:30 am
    eagle, atheism is not a religion. Some atheists are in a religion though like Buddhism.
  418. Profile photo of Bekll
    Bekll Female 18-29
    1984 posts
    November 12, 2008 at 6:31 am
    If people *are* ignorant and *are* deluded then it`s not wrong to say they are.
  419. Profile photo of Areku-chan
    Areku-chan Female 13-17
    11 posts
    November 15, 2008 at 2:53 pm
    nice. He does have a point, though. ALOT of things in the bible don`t add up to things we`ve found true by science. Personally, I could throw them both out the window because they`re both a bunch of confusing crap.
  420. Profile photo of delete_radio
    delete_radio Female 13-17
    150 posts
    November 18, 2008 at 2:53 pm
    Sooo apparently christianity is plagarized by one or two more religions from Italy I think, something like that.(I`ve heard)
    I`m not saying whether I believe it but I`m soooo not christian
    Wicca is my way,and yes,I believe in science too-I want to be an astronomer when I grow up :D
  421. Profile photo of Skibi
    Skibi Female 18-29
    103 posts
    November 20, 2008 at 8:30 pm
    My favorite part, before I figured out he wasn`t being serious, is "Margin of Error: About 2,000 years."

    It made me chuckle.

  422. Profile photo of Pelso
    Pelso Female 18-29
    25 posts
    March 30, 2009 at 7:37 am
    haha he is so not serios. XD

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