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    Pooptart19 Male 18-29
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    November 13, 2008 at 5:22 pm
    Link: Priest: No communion for Obama supporters - `Bless me, Father, for I have sinned.` `What was your sin?` `I voted for Obama?` `Get out!`
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    Lionhart2 Male 40-49
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    November 13, 2008 at 5:50 pm
    Guess who`s going to Hell for deciding his own opinion is more important than God`s laws?

    Mark 9:42 - If anyone causes someone who believes in Me to falter, it`d be better for him if a large millstone were hung around his neck and he were thrown into the sea.

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    robrobrob125 Male 13-17
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    November 13, 2008 at 5:53 pm
    Epic comment by Lionhart- pretty much sums it up. One of the problems is that the bible sort of contradicts itself sometimes. You sort of have to interpret it for yourself.
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    paynen6 Female 18-29
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    November 13, 2008 at 6:09 pm
    Okay, first Obama stated no one was FOR abortion...but is is the woman`s choice. Which if that was the case, and those religous freaks really cared about abortion they would look down on those who actully commited the sin, Obama himself has never gotten an abortion, I`m sure of it. Furthermore, what about all those people that Bush has killed with the wars that he has issued??? Body and Blood for him?
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    spongamabob Female 18-29
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    November 13, 2008 at 6:12 pm
    that`s crazy. i can`t vote. so i guess i can`t go to hell.
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    ilovetristan Female 18-29
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    November 13, 2008 at 6:17 pm
    I hate religion and that Priest. If a woman wants to have an abortion, it is her own choice, not anybody elses.
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    splurbyburbl Male 30-39
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    November 13, 2008 at 6:18 pm
    LOL, people and their silly god. Or, as Obama would say: people and their silly guns and religion.

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    spp Female 18-29
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    November 13, 2008 at 6:21 pm
    Why is it, that some sins are viewed so much highly important than others?

    I hate political churches, I`m English and so it`s not the same over here but it`s still the reason I left my church.

    I have this friend that`s homophobic. Used to drive me up the wall. I don`t mind people having their opinions if they have reasons to back it up and are open minded to other peoples views too. Otherwise people are never going to learn anything.

    Anyways, her `reasoning` behind believing that acting on gay thoughts are wrong is because it says so in the bible. O.K. Fine. BUT she thought it was ok to sleep with her boyfriend, before marriage. Apparently they are completely different.

    I don`t see how. If your reasoning behind not liking something is because the bible says it`s a sin then how can you just dismiss something else the bible says is a sin just because it suits you?

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    MoondustWolf Female 18-29
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    November 13, 2008 at 6:30 pm
    Yes, Obama is such a horrible person to be for the sin of putting a living, breathing woman`s health over cells that would have eventually become a fetus that would have eventually born into a baby. I don`t like abortion, nobody does (except a few far-left freaks, I suppose) but one of the main reasons I`m pro-choice is because of idiots like this. And he`s denying them forgiveness? God needs to come down here and smack him.
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    ChronicJ Male 18-29
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    November 13, 2008 at 6:30 pm
    I guess I have to go to the market now for cookies... Oh, well Oreos aren`t free, but they taste better than The Body of Christ anyway.
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    itsallfake Male 30-39
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    November 13, 2008 at 6:34 pm
    Let`s be clear, he doesn`t support abortion on a moral level, but he does intend to protect Roe-v-wade against a constitutional amendment. He AND McCain both agree that this should be a states right issue. Why should we as a nation and as citizens support this decision? Here`s why:

    By denying the federal government control and making it a states issue, state will be forced to put that kind of legislature on a ballot that can be voted on by the people. Now, this means putting the issue BACK in the hands of the people, and not in the hands of a couple of people who don`t want to upset one side or the other of the issue. In doing this, if YOU don`t agree to abortion and the issue comes up in your state, you can vote rather or not you would allow it. If for some reason the state votes to allow abortion, you were outnumbered. If you don`t like that, you are given the opportunity to move to another state where you can be around people who do share you POV.

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    ChronicJ Male 18-29
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    November 13, 2008 at 6:35 pm
    "Guess who`s going to Hell for deciding his own opinion is more important than God`s laws?"

    Guess who should be concerned about joining that priest in hell for assuming himeself to be worthy of acting as God`s judge? I will see you there Lionhart2. It will be great fun. Don`t bother bringing a sweater. It is warm there year-round.

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    Yaezakura Female 18-29
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    November 13, 2008 at 6:45 pm
    "You voted for the evil black baby-killing Muslim. No tasteless Jesus-cracker for you!"

    That`s not a punishment. That`s a blessing. If they want to make it so being denied communion is bad, they should get some Sour Cream & Onion Jesus, or Cheddar Cheese Jesus. The current stuff just doesn`t cut it.

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    pat125 Male 18-29
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    November 13, 2008 at 6:46 pm
    It`s his church, he can do what he wants. Go to another church if you don`t like it.

    Plus, if you`re a Catholic you shouldn`t be supporting pro-choice anyway. No one ever said you had to be a Catholic in the first place. That`s what America is all about, freedom of Religion.


    "LOL, people and their silly god. Or, as Obama would say: people and their silly guns and religion."

    You`re why people can`t stand Atheists. You`re not somehow better than me, so pull your head out of your a**. And plus, the way I see it, if someone believes in God and there turns out to be none, oh well. If you don`t believe in God and there IS a God, sucks for you.

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    theHUSHSOUND Female 13-17
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    November 13, 2008 at 6:48 pm
    Actually, Pat, it may be his church, but he can`t do whatever he wants. There`s rules, and you`re not allowed to bring politics into it. Obama is pro-CHOICE, not pro-abortion. Get it right.
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    Animecha Male 18-29
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    November 13, 2008 at 6:52 pm
    "It`s his church, he can do what he wants." Sure he can, and he can lose his tax exempt status for being divisive in favor of one political party over another.

    " And plus, the way I see it, if someone believes in God and there turns out to be none, oh well. If you don`t believe in God and there IS a God, sucks for you." People don`t realize there`s a third option, God turns out to be evil and you walked into a trap and get tortured for eternity because He`s sick like that. It may sound offensive but from a philosophical stand point its just as likely as God turning out to be good or not existing at all.

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    Yaezakura Female 18-29
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    November 13, 2008 at 6:56 pm
    "And plus, the way I see it, if someone believes in God and there turns out to be none, oh well. If you don`t believe in God and there IS a God, sucks for you."

    Ah, Pascal`s wager, the single most-used and most-debunked argument ever. Have you stopped to consider than even if there IS a God, it`s not the one you worship? What if you die and come face-to-face with Zeus, or Odin? I`m willing to bet they`d be easier on an atheist than on someone who worshiped the WRONG God.

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    imaduck Male 18-29
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    November 13, 2008 at 6:57 pm
    And look how much has changed, regarding abortion, in these last 8 years of a "pro-life" president.
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    YOUREWINNER Male 18-29
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    November 13, 2008 at 6:58 pm
    this priest better get a clue obama is the greatest holy deity this world has ever seen since the son of god himself praise be to barak
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    dilldog123 Male 18-29
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    November 13, 2008 at 7:04 pm
    Joy. YOUREWINNER is back. Can`t we just make the ban permanent? I liked it better without him. The lack of `MCCAIN IS A MAVERICK AND WILL SAVE THE COUNTRY. OBAMA KILLS BABIES.` comments was enjoyable.
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    YOUREWINNER Male 18-29
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    November 13, 2008 at 7:05 pm
    well good day to you too
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    Razamire Female 18-29
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    November 13, 2008 at 7:07 pm
    save the babies and as soon as that sucker grows up and have an own opinion, to hell with him and his "salvation...
    why stop with that,all you people with your baby killing pills and condoms,damnation is upon you..
    *roll eyes*
    whatever happened to mutual respect and love,they stop preaching that?
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    imaduck Male 18-29
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    November 13, 2008 at 7:11 pm
    And look how much has changed, regarding abortion, in these last 8 years of a "pro-life" president.
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    mrwnt Male 18-29
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    November 13, 2008 at 7:11 pm
    A basic tenet of Christianity is the sacredness of life. Religion means living out your faith. True Christians do not sit in church listening to lessons of love and compassion, and then go out and vote for the complete opposite of that.

    Really ilovetristan? So if I want to go kill a 1 month old baby, that`d be fine with you? I mean, it`s my choice, right? You shouldn`t be able to stop me from taking another person`s life, right?

    The 40% of Christians who voted for Obama are not real Christians. They are not living out their faith, and Obama`s other issues cannot outweigh his acceptance of the 40 million babies who have died since roe vs. wade. And don`t give me crap about the safety of the mother. 95% of abortions are done because an irresponsible couple have sex and don`t want to accept the responsiblity. So a kid gets killed

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    mrwnt Male 18-29
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    November 13, 2008 at 7:13 pm
    I just pray that those old liberal supreme court justices can stay alive for 4 more years. 3 court appointments by Obama could take 30 years to reverse.

    We don`t need judges that legislate from the bench. We need judges to interpret the constitution, which gives all human beings (which includes unborn babies, if you`ve ever taken biology or spoken to a doctor) the right to life

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    Razamire Female 18-29
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    November 13, 2008 at 7:21 pm
    if someone was a "true" christian as you put it mrwnt,wouldn`t it be okay to kill cheaters or sell your daughter..look the book is full of contradictions.
    While I can imagine you growing up happy with a woman,(I dont know you) I doubt that you`ll tell her no sex unless I ask your dad...
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    itsallfake Male 30-39
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    November 13, 2008 at 7:23 pm
    40 million?
    You know i hate to be an "internet Lawyer" but:

    [citation needed">

    Let`s be clear on this subject, it`s christian of you to NOT vote for obama because he thinks this should be a states right issue and not a federal issue in which YOU would get to vote on it. Yet you also believe it IS christian to vote for the party that is FOR the death penalty, FOR going into other countries and slaughtering the people of that nation because they don`t agree with their "you with us, or against us" foreign policy. Nearly 100,000 civilians murdered by "conservative republicans"Citation in 6 years in 1 country. This does not include the iraq military count. Obama speaks of peace, unity, and doing right for your fellow citizens, and THAT is not christian values? While republicans go to WAR, Torture, and put to death as many people who don`

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    sixclaws13 Male 18-29
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    November 13, 2008 at 7:24 pm
    Razamire, taking things out of context and using them to make a point is a fruitless endeavour.
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    Razamire Female 18-29
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    November 13, 2008 at 7:26 pm
    didn`t think it was way out of context..but you may go on and point out my flaw...
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    itsallfake Male 30-39
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    November 13, 2008 at 7:28 pm
    seriously, the character count thing is broken...

    Here`s my point, people like you are so indoctrinated that NOTHING is more important than trying to overturn roe-v-wade that you completely overlook that fact that WAR and the death penalty is NOT sanctity of life... Seems to me that there was this jewish guy who once said "Let those of you without sin, cast the first stone" when the DEATH PENALTY was presented before him. Yet it seems to me the democrats are more focused on preserving the sanctity of life according to christ than republicans...

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    sixclaws13 Male 18-29
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    November 13, 2008 at 7:30 pm
    itsallfake

    A- The death penalty is biblically justified, even under the teachings of Christ.

    B- The vast majority of conservatives are not "FOR going into other countries and slaughtering the people". Our current government went into Iraq. They didn`t ask the peoples permission. That doesn`t make all who are in that party war mongers.

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    amaqdrinker Male 18-29
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    November 13, 2008 at 7:30 pm
    just want to throw it out there that even though we all know that obama said that no one is pro abortion he`s about as close to it as you can get.
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    amaqdrinker Male 18-29
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    November 13, 2008 at 7:36 pm
    and itsallfake, war and the death penalty are things that are derived from government. they are different then an individual`s decision because on such a large scale certain things are inevitable. they are last resorts taken when absolutely necessary, or at least should be.
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    itsallfake Male 30-39
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    November 13, 2008 at 7:36 pm
    1) Obama is NOT the closest thing you can get to pro-abortion, you might want to check your facts on that subject bucko. He stated in an interview he thinks abortion is morally wrong, and he thinks that a mojority of women also feel that way, and the reason he want`s to protect roe-vwade is because he doesn`t think a small group of men in washington should be deciding the issue

    2) give me quotes from JESUS not his followers later in the books, that he is OK with the death penalty... I want scriptures from either mathew, mark, luke or john...

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    Philomath Male 18-29
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    November 13, 2008 at 7:36 pm
    Christ teaches us to live a life glorifying to God. To be respectful of the laws of the land that do not instruct us directly to go against God. If the law permits others to do something "unChristian" we aren`t instructed to interfere.

    I don`t believe that many (most?) of the Republicans` policies are inherently Christian insomuch as following Christ`s teachings. e.g. A "good Christian" wouldn`t get an abortion, but that doesn`t mean we should attack and demean those who do. My Bible has teachings of love not condemnation.

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    Ghostofme16 Female 18-29
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    November 13, 2008 at 7:39 pm
    Oh no, taking the life of innocent beings is wrong!!! OH THOSE POOR BABIES...

    Taking the life of innocent people who`s country is at war? SURE! WHO CARES?

    hypocrits, ignorant scraps of nothing

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    amaqdrinker Male 18-29
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    November 13, 2008 at 7:45 pm
    http://www.ontheissues.org/Social/Barack...

    a few key bullets
    -Voted against banning partial birth abortion
    -Rated 100% by NARAL on pro-choice votes in 2005, 2006 & 2007
    -Voted NO on prohibiting minors crossing state lines for abortion.
    -Voted NO on notifying parents of minors who get out-of-state abortions.

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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    November 13, 2008 at 7:46 pm
    "You`re talking about the murder of innocent beings."


    Wait, aren`t they all guilty of original sin? Dropped the ball there, Ted.

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    itsallfake Male 30-39
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    November 13, 2008 at 7:47 pm
    Now, i`ve said my peace, and i am exiting this conversation on this note. I am not for abortion, but i voted for Obama. In the 30 years that roe-v-wade has been on the books, all the politicians including the far right-wing messiah george bush (who i voted for in 2000) have done NOTHING to over turn it, because no one wants to upset the nation by doing one thing or another.

    Now, i have to go clean my aquarium, i bid you good evening.

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    Adrift_Angel Female 18-29
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    November 13, 2008 at 7:51 pm
    It makes sense tho..
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    amaqdrinker Male 18-29
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    November 13, 2008 at 7:51 pm
    "Oh no, taking the life of innocent beings is wrong!!! OH THOSE POOR BABIES...

    Taking the life of innocent people who`s country is at war? SURE! WHO CARES?"

    ideally war would only be fought when absolutely necessary and only between soldiers, so in a conceptual sense, war is justifiable. abortions are looked on by many as a way to avoid inconvenience.

    oh and itsallfake, PWNED

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    amaqdrinker Male 18-29
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    November 13, 2008 at 7:58 pm
    i can begin to understand if you look at abortion conceptually too. in certain situations (mother`s life is in danger, rape, severe drug abuse(crack babies)) it is as justifiable as a necessary war, but the fact of the matter is that`s not even what many pro-choice people are advocating. they wish to debate the very life of the child and suggest that if this may put the family in a financial hole or interfere with future plans then an abortion is justified.
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    Yaezakura Female 18-29
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    November 13, 2008 at 8:01 pm
    "a few key bullets
    -Voted against banning partial birth abortion
    -Rated 100% by NARAL on pro-choice votes in 2005, 2006 & 2007
    -Voted NO on prohibiting minors crossing state lines for abortion.
    -Voted NO on notifying parents of minors who get out-of-state abortions."

    In the all of them, he feels it`s not the federal government`s responsibility to impose limits on a woman`s choices regarding abortion. And he`s correct in that assertion. Just because you`re Christian, doesn`t mean everyone is, and your religious values have no place in law. Obama understands this even when he personally disagrees with abortion.

    And especially on the last count, it`s no business of the parents what their teenage daughter does. Just because she`s not 18 doesn`t mean she doesn`t have a right to privacy. No girl should have to face the wrath of potentially bigoted parents for what is a very personal decision.

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    Ghostofme16 Female 18-29
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    November 13, 2008 at 8:02 pm
    absolutely necessary?
    You really think it was absolutelly necessary for us to stick our noses in their business?

    Do you really think its necessary to blow up a building full of civilians to kill 2 bad guys?

    Its like, when two friends are fighting, and America is that thrid friend going "Stop fighting guys" then beats both of them up for fighting.
    It doesnt really do any good.
    Let them blow each other up for all I care.

    Seriously, people dont even seem to care about these babies after they are born...
    After they are born no one could care less.. all these pro lofe people. The vote against welfare benefits that would help feed this child. Or they vote for capital punishment or crappy gun laws that could end up being that this kid they fought so hard for to be born could get killed in a gun accident
    They dont give a damn.
    Its just about getting the kid out of the wounb.
    After that if that kid is in a apartment building they have to blow up cuz of terro

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    amaqdrinker Male 18-29
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    November 13, 2008 at 8:04 pm
    "In the all of them, he feels it`s not the federal government`s responsibility to impose limits on a woman`s choices regarding abortion."

    which means he supports roe v wade and is pro choice, very pro choice as that link illustrates. and you`re second paragraph is exactly the mentality that i just described.

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    amaqdrinker Male 18-29
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    November 13, 2008 at 8:06 pm
    whoa ghost of me. i`m not talking about the war in iraq, definitely not an ideal war. i agree with you about the killing of innocent civilians in Iraq. to be honest the whole situation was probably inevitable and i have mixed feelings on the war as a whole but i was not trying to say that the iraq war was an idealized war. not even f*cking close
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    Nidonemo Male 18-29
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    November 13, 2008 at 8:07 pm
    Oh PLEASE! Does this human crap EVER stop!?
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    amaqdrinker Male 18-29
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    November 13, 2008 at 8:08 pm
    and i also agree with you about conservative`s indifference about the poor, it`s distgusting. i`m not sure if more welfare will fix it but a lot of conservatives could not care less about poor people and it makes my head spin.
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    Neagle Male 30-39
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    November 13, 2008 at 8:08 pm
    Yea, post #666 seems appropriate. It`s starting to get ugly and it`s just going to get worse before it gets better. Smores anyone?

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    Yaezakura Female 18-29
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    November 13, 2008 at 8:12 pm
    amagdrinker, you`re male, so you really can`t understand this. And you will never truly be able to. To the male in the situation, pregnancy is "hump the girl, deal with potential consequences 9 months later". The girl, meanwhile, has to live with the consequences every moment of every day. During those months and for weeks after birth, she is not physically able to lead the life she`s used to. Pregnancy essentially disables most women.

    I can almost guarantee there are no women who get abortions without serious thought. It`s not a pleasant process, and there are emotional hazards everywhere (which is why most abortion clinics offer counseling).

    People make mistakes. And a girl shouldn`t be punished for the rest of her life for a mistake made in the heat of the moment, or because contraceptive methods failed. She has a right to live her life. A living, feeling human being is worth far more to the world than a undeveloped mass of cells.

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    Shellie84 Female 18-29
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    November 13, 2008 at 8:12 pm
    im not gonna debate, i have a headache. but i do think the priest is in the wrong on this one. He is a servant of god and should welcome, love and teach the people the word of the lord... not turn them away for voting for someone.

    and as for abortions. I will get one if by chance i fall pregnant again. I am taking every avenue NOT to, but due to my last pregnancy my daughter had some difficulties and so, if i were to fall preggers again i will die. I know a lot of anti abortionists scream "thats ok, its a medical reason" but no matter how you look at it, its still an abortion - something you are supposed to be dead against

    peace out x x x

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    amaqdrinker Male 18-29
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    November 13, 2008 at 8:12 pm
    i got into the habit of making smores on a gas oven range for a while. it was f*cking awesome. think about it, smores all the time, i didnt even have to hike into the woods and build a fire, just right in my kitchen. those were good times.
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    NYC2010 Female 18-29
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    November 13, 2008 at 8:12 pm
    I`m sure that priest has molested kids.
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    mrwnt Male 18-29
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    November 13, 2008 at 8:13 pm
    Here`s your citations:
    40 million dead babies since 1973: http://www.nrlc.org/news/2000/NRL02/how....
    It was actually 93% of abortions that take place because of irresponsible parents: http://www.nrlc.org/news/2000/NRL02/how....


    I am not trying to impose my Christian faith on anyone. We have separation of church and state for a reason. But this is not a matter of religion, this is a matter of morality. Atheists are still opposed to murder, rape, etc., and not because of religion, but because of morality

    Abortion is morally wrong for people of all faiths. It should not be a woman`s choice to play God and decide if a baby lives or dies.

    With abortion, the pile paradox comes into play. It goes like this: You give me a number of rocks that you think makes a pile. I ask you if one rock is subtracted from

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    mrwnt Male 18-29
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    November 13, 2008 at 8:16 pm
    *from that pile, is it still a pile, and you of course say yes. By that logic even 2 pebbles is a pile of pebbles.

    That is how we must look at the life of unborn children. If you can say a fetus 8 months into pregnancy is alive, how can you say that a fetus 7 months and 30 days isn`t alive? How can you cutoff a baby`s life with a certain day? You can`t

    There can be no fair cutoff for life except conception.

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    amaqdrinker Male 18-29
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    November 13, 2008 at 8:18 pm
    "I can almost guarantee there are no women who get abortions without serious thought. It`s not a pleasant process, and there are emotional hazards everywhere (which is why most abortion clinics offer counseling)."

    i agree, the girls who just flush em out as soon as they get knocked up are as rare as a pregnant rape victim. and you said later in your post how she has a right to live her life but no one`s life works out as planned, hell put them up for adoption. even if they live a crappy life in a foster home i believe that it is not our place to decide whether or not they get to live at all.

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    mrwnt Male 18-29
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    November 13, 2008 at 8:18 pm
    And what exactly do you all think the first Christians did? Paul went all over preaching against the Roman occupation. He didn`t stop being a christian when he left church!

    It is a religious person`s duty to effect change for the better in their world. Supporting morally acceptable candidates is part of that duty. It is in no way out of line for a priest to ask his congregation to live out their faith.

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    mrwnt Male 18-29
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    November 13, 2008 at 8:20 pm
    "i agree, the girls who just flush em out as soon as they get knocked up are as rare as a pregnant rape victim"

    Actually 1% of abortions are because of rape or incest. 93% are because of people who have sex and don`t want to accept the consequences.

    Citation: http://www.abortionno.org/Resources/fast...

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    mrwnt Male 18-29
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    November 13, 2008 at 8:21 pm
    Same to you amaqdrinker
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    osirisascend Male 40-49
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    November 13, 2008 at 8:22 pm
    Wow.

    This one caused quite a bit of conversation. Some of it rational, and some of it nothing more than parroting empty rhetoric... on BOTH sides of the issue.

    At the end of the day, it really should boil down to a States Rights issue. Let the people decide for themselves.

    Me personally? I don`t like the idea of abortion being used strictly as birth control, but I will ALWAYS support a Woman`s right to make that choice for herself. I am seriously uncomfortable with the fact that the leaders of the pro-life movement are all MEN, and will never be in a position to have to make such a difficult choice. I am originally from Buffalo, NY and had to live through Randall Terry`s "Spring Of Life" circus in my city in 1992. It`s a woman`s body. Let HER decide what`s best for her.

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    amaqdrinker Male 18-29
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    November 13, 2008 at 8:23 pm
    "Actually 1% of abortions are because of rape or incest. 93% are because of people who have sex and don`t want to accept the consequences."


    alright mrwnt, but almost all of those girls still spend weeks or months making their decision. having a child completely changes your life.it`s not frivolous but i still agree with you that it`s wrong.

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    Yaezakura Female 18-29
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    November 13, 2008 at 8:25 pm
    mrwnt, I don`t think any rational person is going to accept statistics posted on a biased website without links to credible sources for the information. The only link on the website links to the mainpage of a sexual health website, but not to any study statistics.
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    amaqdrinker Male 18-29
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    November 13, 2008 at 8:26 pm
    sorry about deleting that post mrwnt but i don`t agree with you about this priest, he`s in the wrong i think. but i liked your analogy with the stones. the whole deal with time always didn`t make sense to me. the fact that a difference of months changes something from a legal act to murder just seems illogical.
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    amaqdrinker Male 18-29
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    November 13, 2008 at 8:28 pm
    "mrwnt, I don`t think any rational person is going to accept statistics posted on a biased website without links to credible sources for the information. The only link on the website links to the mainpage of a sexual health website, but not to any study statistics."

    you still have to admit that an overwhelming majority of abortions are done for the sake of the mother`s future plans.

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    patridiot Male 30-39
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    November 13, 2008 at 8:33 pm
    Wait a minute here, the bible says men who claim bankruptcy or who are drunkards should be killed (sermon from Moses. It also states slavery is okay (as long as it is no longer than six years). How can we pick and choose what we want from the bible and still be credible?
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    LazyMe484 Male 18-29
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    November 13, 2008 at 8:34 pm
    ZOMFG! I thought it was a joke! WOW! well, I`ve already insulted pretty much everyone, so I guess I`ll refer you to any of my previous criticisms of religion.
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    Yaezakura Female 18-29
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    November 13, 2008 at 8:34 pm
    "you still have to admit that an overwhelming majority of abortions are done for the sake of the mother`s future plans."

    I have not denied this. In fact, I will say it`s likely true. But there are a lot of factors. An unprepared for child can wreck someone`s life. It can split the parents apart. It can put unmanageable financial burden on them to the point where the child would be raised in poverty. It can completely rob the woman of her future by denying her the ability to go to college or to work for a living.

    I am not saying people should be totally unaccountable for their actions. But frankly, issues of pregnancy fall pretty much entirely on the woman. It`s a burden no man can comprehend, and therefore is an issue no man should ever have say in. The day a man is faced with even the possibility of one day having to make that decision, maybe. But until then, men should simply stay out of it.

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    Shellie84 Female 18-29
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    November 13, 2008 at 8:37 pm
    Yaezakura, I agree with what you said:

    "But frankly, issues of pregnancy fall pretty much entirely on the woman. It`s a burden no man can comprehend"

    A man can walk away any time he wants. He will have to pay child support, but thats all. He`s not really obligated to spend time with the child, and there are ways of getting out of paying the support too. Women have no out of a situation that involves two people :(

    its kinda sad

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    amaqdrinker Male 18-29
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    November 13, 2008 at 8:37 pm
    "I am not saying people should be totally unaccountable for their actions. But frankly, issues of pregnancy fall pretty much entirely on the woman. It`s a burden no man can comprehend, and therefore is an issue no man should ever have say in. The day a man is faced with even the possibility of one day having to make that decision, maybe. But until then, men should simply stay out of it."

    i can honestly say that no matter the situation, if i knocked up a girl, i would be at her side for everything and completely support her and the child. i think the fact that a father has no say on whether or not his child has the right to life is absolutely horrifying.

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    mrwnt Male 18-29
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    November 13, 2008 at 8:39 pm
    Yaezakura, you have to click on the fact sheet of the website, as the cited website directs you to do

    I do not like the stereotyping of conservatives going on here. Just because I am against abortion does not mean I am for the death penalty. I make my own mind up about issues, and most just happen to be conservative, but not all.

    So to answer: I say NO to abortions
    I say NO to the death penalty

    I have difficulty with the collateral casualties in war, especially in the middle east. It is horrible that middle easterners have died in such numbers. Absolutely horrible. But I also have to consider what would happen if the wars had not taken place. Would extremist countries have thrown off the balance of the middle east, creating new havens for terrorists to launch attacks on America from? Would it cause steps towards dictatorships and totalitarianism? I don`t know. It`s a difficult issue

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    Yaezakura Female 18-29
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    November 13, 2008 at 8:41 pm
    "i think the fact that a father has no say on whether or not his child has the right to life is absolutely horrifying."

    The day it`s the father who has to carry the child in his stomach, who has to endure constant nausea and back pain, and then go through an unimaginably painful birthing process, he can have a say. But so long as the father`s only contribution to the childbirthing process is getting lucky one night, he doesn`t DESERVE a say in what goes on in the woman`s body afterwards.

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    amaqdrinker Male 18-29
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    November 13, 2008 at 8:41 pm
    "Women have no out of a situation that involves two people :("

    adoption, and your never going to fix the fact that there are douche bags in the world. i guess try and not sleep with douche bags.

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    mrwnt Male 18-29
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    November 13, 2008 at 8:42 pm
    "An unprepared for child can wreck someone`s life. It can split the parents apart. It can put unmanageable financial burden on them to the point where the child would be raised in poverty. It can completely rob the woman of her future by denying her the ability to go to college or to work for a living."

    Women should not have gotten pregnant in the first place then. God knows we have enough contraceptives. People who don`t want kids and don`t use them are just being stupid or lazy. They should not create life, decide they don`t want it, and kill the innocent human being. It is the epitome of selfishness.

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    amaqdrinker Male 18-29
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    November 13, 2008 at 8:43 pm
    "The day it`s the father who has to carry the child in his stomach, who has to endure constant nausea and back pain, and then go through an unimaginably painful birthing process, he can have a say. But so long as the father`s only contribution to the childbirthing process is getting lucky one night, he doesn`t DESERVE a say in what goes on in the woman`s body afterwards."

    what? that`s nature, you can`t change that. even if you had the most supportive man in the world he couldn`t help with that physical aspect of it. you`re complaining about something that is impossible to change.

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    Shellie84 Female 18-29
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    November 13, 2008 at 8:45 pm
    true the world is full of douchebags...

    thats all ive got lol i cant think right now

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    Razamire Female 18-29
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    November 13, 2008 at 8:47 pm
    mrwnt,you dislike sterotyping contersevatives,but you just stereotyped women.."oh she probaly lazy or stupid for getting pregnant in the first place,let`s make sure not women ever termanate pregnancy"

    it doesn`t work that way,not always.

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    Shellie84 Female 18-29
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    November 13, 2008 at 8:48 pm
    actually... speaking on the males behalf of childbirth. My partner said to me when i had my twins he never wants to put me through it again. he said its the most horrifying pain hes ever seen me go through :)

    i guess thats the best us chicks are going to get when it comes men dealing with the pain! lol

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    Razamire Female 18-29
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    November 13, 2008 at 8:51 pm
    sometimes contraceptives doesn`t work,not all of them,in the entire World,for a 100%. Best way is just to aviod sex altogether.heh
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    Lionhart2 Male 40-49
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    November 13, 2008 at 8:53 pm
    Wow, this turned into a loud long-winded Religious Debate, I didn`t see that coming this morning!
  80. Profile photo of mrwnt
    mrwnt Male 18-29
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    November 13, 2008 at 8:53 pm
    "mrwnt,you dislike sterotyping contersevatives,but you just stereotyped women.."oh she probaly lazy or stupid for getting pregnant in the first place,let`s make sure not women ever termanate pregnancy"

    it doesn`t work that way,not always."

    What reason is there, then, for creating a life that you will only destroy, when there is every opportunity to avoid that?

    If you cannot use contraceptives, do not have sex and doom the lives of the unborn that you will kill within their first few days of living.

  81. Profile photo of amaqdrinker
    amaqdrinker Male 18-29
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    November 13, 2008 at 8:53 pm
    my brother accidentally got his girlfriend pregnant last year. fortunately they had been dating for a few years and they worked things out. they got married this summer and had the baby a few weeks ago. i cannot describe the joy that i see in my brother when he is holding his son. to assume that a man is just going to knock you up and run is unfair and sexist, and then to take that assumption and make it legally impossible for a father to have a say in whether or not his child will be born is disgusting.
  82. Profile photo of madest
    madest Male 40-49
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    November 13, 2008 at 8:56 pm
    sarah palin taught her kids abstinence only and must have simply underestimated the boredom that an alaskan winter brings.

    isn`t it time to tax churches for gods sake?

  83. Profile photo of amaqdrinker
    amaqdrinker Male 18-29
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    November 13, 2008 at 8:56 pm
    and really, we should all just try and only sleep with people that we really care about. i feel that the way abortion is treated, more than anything, accepts that everyone has to sleep around a little bit at some point in their life.
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    Razamire Female 18-29
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    November 13, 2008 at 8:57 pm
    women on the pill can still get pregnant,a condom can break.IUS or IUS can sometimes not work when she get`s a cold or a flu.Even if she`s a babykiller or not,she`s NOT A LAZY STUPID PERSON in the first place.You are not a woman or a docter...
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    Shellie84 Female 18-29
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    November 13, 2008 at 9:01 pm
    wow just saw on the news a cure for aids now :D awesome!

    on topic; most certainly we should sleep with the ones we love. Less sleeping around would be ideal, but we live in such a sex driven society. look at paris hilton and angelina jolie - glorified for stealing husbands.

    wait, so even if we sleep with the ones we love it still may not work out...

  86. Profile photo of sixclaws13
    sixclaws13 Male 18-29
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    November 13, 2008 at 9:02 pm
    My view on abortion comes more from my Libertarian viewpoints than from my religious ones. I believe that you should be allowed to do anything you please so long as it does not harm another person. I wear my seatbelt, I don`t think I should be forced to. I don`t smoke, I think I should be allowed to if I choose, etc. The problem with abortion is that you are harming someone else, you are killing a child. You can call it a womans choice, say it`s only a clump of cells or tell me the baby would be better off not being born, it doesn`t change the simple fact that having an abortion is killing a baby. You can label it how you wish, it won`t change what it is.
  87. Profile photo of amaqdrinker
    amaqdrinker Male 18-29
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    November 13, 2008 at 9:05 pm
    and by the way, i haven`t really said definitively how i feel about abortion, but i think sixclaws just about summed it up.
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    Razamire Female 18-29
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    November 13, 2008 at 9:05 pm
    *IUD`s and IUS`s

    mrwnt,you went from pro-life to anti-woman and you can`t even see it.

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    mrwnt Male 18-29
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    November 13, 2008 at 9:06 pm
    "women on the pill can still get pregnant,a condom can break.IUS or IUS can sometimes not work when she get`s a cold or a flu.Even if she`s a babykiller or not,she`s NOT A LAZY STUPID PERSON in the first place.You are not a woman or a docter..."

    Then all I can say is don`t have sex if you aren`t ready to accept the consequences, and that INCLUDES being responsible for any life created by you.

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    StefanM Male 18-29
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    November 13, 2008 at 9:06 pm
    Ah abortion debates... I have very strong feelings on this issue, but who cares about those, right? I was going to go on about them; instead, I`ll agree amaqdrinker: Cooking smores over a gas stove is so much more convenient than going out and building a fire. Mmmm... smores.
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    amaqdrinker Male 18-29
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    November 13, 2008 at 9:07 pm
    "wait, so even if we sleep with the ones we love it still may not work out..."

    of course not, probably nothing is going to work out like you expect it. people need to look at a child as the ultimate blessing rather than a financial burden. don`t you just love how capitalism has a way of manipulating your view of the world?

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    mrwnt Male 18-29
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    November 13, 2008 at 9:08 pm
    "mrwnt,you went from pro-life to anti-woman and you can`t even see it. "

    Now you are just insulting women. I am anti-women who have sex who aren`t willing to accept the consequences. I am not anti-women. Your logic implies that you think all women don`t care about killing the fruit of their own union.

    Believe it or not, there are women who believe in the sanctity of life.

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    madest Male 40-49
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    November 13, 2008 at 9:09 pm
    screw you amaqdrinker. you wanna sleep with one person your whole life fine. not your place or anyones place to force values on the less than monogamous. some believe variety is the spice. the problem with religion is it`s not enough for them to live exemplary lives they need everyone to live by their rule or else you don`t get to eat some crappy cracker you hated anyway. please keep that germ infested chalice away as well.
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    Shellie84 Female 18-29
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    November 13, 2008 at 9:11 pm
    "don`t you just love how capitalism has a way of manipulating your view of the world?"

    i dont know what that means! lmao

    my kids arent a financial drain, god no! i loves them xD so does my partner.

    In that last post i did have a point to make and ended up rambling instead unfortunatly. I`m afraid im a pathetic debater lol

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    amaqdrinker Male 18-29
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    November 13, 2008 at 9:11 pm
    @madest


    rock on brother, just be prepared to reap what you sow. i believe in love because i`m a fool i guess.

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    mrwnt Male 18-29
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    November 13, 2008 at 9:11 pm
    Madest it is a matter of morality, not religion.
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    amaqdrinker Male 18-29
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    November 13, 2008 at 9:13 pm
    "i dont know what that means! lmao"

    i just find it interesting how our economic system makes us look at human life in such mathematical terms.

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    madest Male 40-49
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    November 13, 2008 at 9:14 pm
    morality is religion based. how many adopted children do you have oh righteous one?
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    sixclaws13 Male 18-29
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    November 13, 2008 at 9:14 pm
    How much do you guys want to bet that madest has herpes?
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    Shellie84 Female 18-29
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    November 13, 2008 at 9:15 pm
    ahh like when they say stuff like; be financially prepared before you have children..?

    mmmm. In a way i can understand. My first sons father was a douche and i wasnt financially prepared. But I still wouldnt change a thing, and we had the most awesome times. Now with my current partner and extra 2 bubbas we are more stable - finance wise - but still the love hasn`t changed.

    I do wish i didn`t rush things with my firstborn, but oh well, i stood up to what my situation was and am doing fine to this very day - almost 8 years on :D

  101. Profile photo of amaqdrinker
    amaqdrinker Male 18-29
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    November 13, 2008 at 9:15 pm
    madest, are you an atheist? do you have no morality?
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    madest Male 40-49
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    November 13, 2008 at 9:16 pm
    ahh i learned sex education. i know all about the dangers and how to protect myself. how much you wanna bet i`ve never had an STD or unwanted child?
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    Razamire Female 18-29
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    November 13, 2008 at 9:16 pm
    in a perfect world we all dont have sex untill we`re married,men respect women.But reality is women have sex and they`re all not stupid or lazy or dooming life,ok.
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    amaqdrinker Male 18-29
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    November 13, 2008 at 9:17 pm
    i`m very happy to here that shellie, and i`m not some crazy commie i just find it interesting how the society we grow up in shapes us.
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    mrwnt Male 18-29
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    November 13, 2008 at 9:17 pm
    @madest: So you believe all atheists are satan`s spawn? They cannot be moral because they don`t believe in God? Morality is universal to all people.

    I don`t know what you`re trying to get at with the adoption question. I believe in everyone`s right to life, including the unborn.

  106. Profile photo of mrwnt
    mrwnt Male 18-29
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    November 13, 2008 at 9:18 pm
    "in a perfect world we all dont have sex untill we`re married,men respect women.But reality is women have sex and they`re all not stupid or lazy or dooming life,ok."

    Tell me how you are not dooming life by having sex, with full intention to destroy any life that comes from that action?

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    amaqdrinker Male 18-29
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    November 13, 2008 at 9:20 pm
    mrwnt, have sex. it`s not just baby makin, it can be a very beautiful and passionate expression of love whether or not a child is intended from it.
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    madest Male 40-49
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    November 13, 2008 at 9:20 pm
    atheism is just another arm of god club. the anti-arm. i`m too logical to be either. i know there is no scientific proof of god and i know science can disprove every story in the bible. what i don`t know is why were here but i`m as certain it`s not because of an omnipotent one.
  109. Profile photo of amaqdrinker
    amaqdrinker Male 18-29
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    November 13, 2008 at 9:21 pm
    but madest would you mind answering my question as to whether or not you have morality?
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    sixclaws13 Male 18-29
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    November 13, 2008 at 9:22 pm
    "madest

    atheism is just another arm of god club. the anti-arm. i`m too logical to be either. "

    Someone is a little full of himself.

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    Razamire Female 18-29
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    November 13, 2008 at 9:25 pm
    I never said I intend to doom life,but okay.
    In your perfect world,how would it look? Curious to know which perfect senerio would be played out. Because in the real world,MEN AND WOMEN are "dooming" life by having sex and well,nothing we say can change their minds.
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    madest Male 40-49
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    November 13, 2008 at 9:26 pm
    do i have morals? hmmm. i`ve never stolen anything, never murdered anybody. i`ve broken several laws but never hurt anyone in the process. oh yeah and i`ve had lots of sex with many people some of whom were moral and some of whom were not. i`m fine with how that reflects on me but should i care if you`re not?
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    November 13, 2008 at 9:27 pm
    amaqdrinker: I don`t want to condemn sex in general here. I completely agree with you on that. I just am frustrated with people who think that their having sex is more important than a baby`s right to life.

    I`m off to bed. Amaq thanks for the intelligent conversation.

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    amaqdrinker Male 18-29
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    November 13, 2008 at 9:28 pm
    morality is not what you`ve done. murderers have been reformed. do you have morality?
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    amaqdrinker Male 18-29
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    November 13, 2008 at 9:28 pm
    peace mrwnt. you too.
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    mrwnt Male 18-29
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    November 13, 2008 at 9:29 pm
    Razamire: There is nothing wrong with having sex. I won`t get into premarital sex because that`s a whole nother can of worms. There is something wrong with having sex without being willing to accept the consequences.
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    November 13, 2008 at 9:32 pm
    i`m probably heading off to bed soon too actually, you don`t need to answer my last question madest, i see where you are coming from. and i just want to say, that these debates, as pointless and circular as they are, are the reason this sight lives up to its name and cures my boredom. peace folks.
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    November 13, 2008 at 9:33 pm
    how can one argue with stefanM... it`s kirby, with a goatee
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    sixclaws13 Male 18-29
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    November 13, 2008 at 9:33 pm
    Adios Amaq and mrwnt. I agree Amaq, having a place to have intelligent discussions with people both like minded and differing is nice.
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    madest Male 40-49
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    November 13, 2008 at 9:34 pm
    ..and therein lies the flaw. if a murderer can be forgiven (i expect you meant) yet say an athiest who has never murdered be damned, then you belong to a club where some very exclusive people who have helped society tremendously are excluded. a club that you were brainwashed into believing in.
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    Razamire Female 18-29
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    November 13, 2008 at 9:34 pm
    night amaq,night mrwnt. It was interesting to say the least
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    itsallfake Male 30-39
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    November 13, 2008 at 9:37 pm
    Just popped bck in while i let my fishtank fill...

    Not really PWNED. If anything the site you gave just proves my point that he wants the people to decide not the government. Like i said, in interviews he would not condone abortions for his own family, but he feels strongly that it should not be up to the "all powerful government" to decide (i am paraphrasing here of course). So thanks for referencing a cite that it doesn`t look like you fully read... That in mind, im not disagreeing with you that abortions are bad. I am actualy on the same page, but i feel strongly that this should be voted on by the people and the only way to accomplish that is by dropping the issue to a state level.
    NOW...
    As far as this priest is concerned. I think he is completely in the wrong here. In fact he should be doing the exact opposite. He should be offering salvation for those who voted for obama if he feels that passionate about it.

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    amaqdrinker Male 18-29
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    November 13, 2008 at 9:40 pm
    dammit madest, why`d you go and have to say something like that? no, i mean that a murderer can actually change his ways, consequentially he would then be forgiven. and i make it a personal rule to never say who is or who isn`t going to heaven. as far as i know a man who claims to be an atheist could be right with god in his heart.
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    itsallfake Male 30-39
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    November 13, 2008 at 9:44 pm
    Im actually glad to see this thread turn inelligent with the exception of madest who is an obvious troll and you all fed him. My comments are directed mainly towards MS conservatives. If you don`t fall in line, then you dont need to strike up an arguement. That simple. I don`t agree with obama on a lot of issues. I voted for him based on the benefits his change in government will give me as a middle class american with household income of 75K and have 2 kids. I also agree with him on his stance abut the war in iraq which is something i feel more strongly about than any wedge issue. Fact is, no politicians touch the abortion issues on the federal level because thats something they dont want to soil their hands with... though this is my opinion and not based on hard facts, just observation.
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    amaqdrinker Male 18-29
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    November 13, 2008 at 9:46 pm
    if you have something to say back madest make it quick. otherwise i`m actually going to bed this time. and itsallfake i completely agree with you about politicians not touching abortion. our politics are way to concerned with polls and voter satisfaction to make any real change.
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    whtevr Female 40-49
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    November 13, 2008 at 9:52 pm
    I used to be pro-choice but then I saw a website with pictures of aborted babies and changed my mind.
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    pat125 Male 18-29
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    November 13, 2008 at 10:03 pm
    Why don`t we just take this to the next level and make IAB one big debate forum. We can call it flame-war.com
  128. Profile photo of ChronicJ
    ChronicJ Male 18-29
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    November 13, 2008 at 10:12 pm
    "madest, are you an atheist? do you have no morality?"

    What a stupid drat.. someone who confuses morality with a bunch of made-up bullpoo "laws" full of poo from some made-up invisible dude who no one can see or talk to unless they are insane... drat you!... are you that drated up? Seriousy? Are you? No you are not.. You`re "God" just has a lot of time on his hands and needs to drat with the lives of a bunch of losera who live on a drating losing planet.. one of billions and trillions he governs...

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    Benjaphar Male 30-39
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    November 13, 2008 at 11:29 pm
    Amaqdrinker, if morals come from religion, then why are our prisons full of religious people instead of atheists? Clearly it sould be mostly atheists if they have no morality.
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    i-am-emo Female 70 & Over
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    November 14, 2008 at 3:13 am
    Because they supposedly "find christ" in prison. Something about the intense suffering and guilt I dont know.
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    Benjaphar Male 30-39
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    November 14, 2008 at 5:27 am
    No, you`re just talking about Christians who never went to church. Adversity doesn`t change what you know to be true; it just amplifies what you already believe.
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    BoomStick Male 30-39
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    November 14, 2008 at 6:30 am
    Presumably this priest voted for GWB - a staunch opponent of abortion - and would consider those of his congregation who did so as well to be "devout."

    Of course abortion is still legally practiced in the US dispite 8 years of GWB`s reign.

    So you tell me which is worse... someone with real integrity who believes something different than you, or someone who says they agree with you but then demonstrates through his actions that he is a hypocrite?

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    Overmann Male 18-29
    2600 posts
    November 14, 2008 at 6:34 am
    More made-up bullsh*t, I see.

    "...and those Catholics who do so place themselves outside of the full communion of Christ`s Church and under the judgment of divine law."

    If God really gave as much a sh*t as you claim he does, padre, he would descend from the sky (which is just as likely as him ascending from the ground, in my opinion; given the grander context of the whole friggin` universe, our `up` means nothing at all) and make a statement about it. Why doesn`t it *feel* as if I`m under divine law, padre? Because I don`t believe in fairy tales.

    The whole faith story has only as much merit as one ascribes to it, and no amount of fear or guilt you have to instill in it to make people believe it will make it any more true, which is fortunate. Now stop wasting time and the people`s money and go do something tangible for a change.

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    BoomStick Male 30-39
    122 posts
    November 14, 2008 at 6:37 am
    Also I can confirm that Madest does, in fact, have herpes.
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    mrwnt Male 18-29
    334 posts
    November 14, 2008 at 7:44 am
    "Of course abortion is still legally practiced in the US dispite 8 years of GWB`s reign.

    So you tell me which is worse... someone with real integrity who believes something different than you, or someone who says they agree with you but then demonstrates through his actions that he is a hypocrite?"

    The president is not a dictator. He is only 1 branch of the government. He cannot do whatever he likes to, unless he has the support of the other branches. Bush appointed multiple pro-life judges to the court which is all he really can do.


    And once again, morality does not have to come from religion. And by the way, the Christian church doesn`t say that everyone who doesn`t believe in Christ goes to hell. If you are a moral person, you go to heaven.

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    NowPleaseRea Male 70 & Over
    176 posts
    November 14, 2008 at 5:31 pm
    My idea of hell is to spend eternity with people who spout religion.
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    Vagrant86 Male 18-29
    2557 posts
    November 14, 2008 at 9:24 pm
    im not catholic but that`s retarded.

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