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Yet every time a video pops up of a military person doing something because they`re bored, the comments section is always laced with little gems like, "That our tax dollars hard at work," or "(S)he should know better! This is why the world hates us!"
It`s ridiculous. When you`re at work, how much time do you spend actually working? Do you never goof off? Play games? Taunt a coworker behind their back?
I do understand that military personnel are held to a higher standard than most other occupations, but at the same time, how can you expect every single person in the military to be completely serious for 8-48 hours at a time?
It just irritates me that most people blindly chastise the military without once remembering, hey: These jagoffs are the same kind of jagoff as you.
They shouldn`t be cut any slack if and when they are punished, but they shouldn`t be condemned just because they`re goofing off.
You`re right, nobody can be sure if they`ll be able to cope with it...that`s what TRAINING is for.
Back up my story? What story? That mocking someone`s religion makes them less-inclined to be your friend? Do I really need to back that up?
Nobody is blaming the soldiers. You are right, they`re not Jesus. They are human. And like all humans, they are accountable for their actions if they act in an inappropriate manner. That is what is being said here.
If a soldier does something wrong, don`t you agree that they should be held responsible for it if the responsibility lies with them? You said yourself, they aren`t Jesus. Why should we excuse them doing bad things because they have a tough job?
If some soldiers got back home and murdered someone in a bar fight, would you be using the stress of their job as an excuse for their actions?
And if so, why not in this situation, with this video? Because it`s not as severe? Why does that matter?
Yes. Military service members volunteered for duty. That doesn`t automatically make them Jesus. They`re going to make mistakes. They`re going to drat off. They`re going to get stressed, vent, lash out, and do stupid poo, just to break up the monotony of life over there.
The thing that irks me, however, is most of you are so quick to blame your own countrymen, you don`t even bother to stop for half a second and try to reason with his situation. "OH! SOLDJURZ SHUD B ABL 2 B PURFEKT ALL HTE TIME! TEHY R R AMBADASDORS OVR TREHE!"
It`s useless to argue with people who blame our soldiers, because you`re too busy being self-righteous on behalf of another country to be open-minded about the kids from our own.
It`s easy to judge from the comfort of your own home.
It just sickens me when people do so.
Anyone can join the military assuming they will handle it just to get a shocking revelation that it is actually terribly difficult.
And also, take your own advice. Don`t insult religion especially when there are those who beleive in that religion around. Might cause some conflict.
Or, perhaps you do not care aboutr capturing our "hearts and minds" in this comment board. In which case, shut the drat up about it. Until you practice what you preach, no one here will want to hear the bullpoo you are spewing out. Back up your story mate. Until then, kindly keep quite so other, more open-minded commenters can make their posts.
I don`t contradict myself at all. I said it is fine to mock religion. I also said it`s not smart to do so if you`re trying to be friends with someone of that religion.
And if America wants moderate Islamic countries on her side, this kind of thing doesn`t help. THAT is what I said.
As for the stresses of battle; if someone goes into that kind of career without understanding the stresses they are going to endure, and without the mental toughness required to endure them without acting out in a way that harms their employer`s aims (winning "hearts and minds"), then they only have themselves to blame. They weren`t conscripted, were they?
Dealing with those stresses is part of their JOB. The job they signed up for. The job they chose. Why should I have any sympathy for someone who can`t do their job properly? I don`t care if it`s a tough job; nobody forced them to do it. They inflicted it upon themselves. So tell me again why this soldier`s actions are excusable
Here is a thought:
Enlist in the military. (if you already havn`t, but, from what it sounds like, you don`t even know which end of the gun is the "danger" end)
Take a year or two tour of Iraq. Meet the locals. Chill a bit in the desert. Abandon all your family and friends to go fight over there. Kill a man, look into his eyes, and watch him die. Do this repeatedly for a while, and THEN tell me how stressful that job is. Hell, why not tell us all how we are STILL wrong. At least then you`d have some bloody proof to back your claim.
Since you`ve gone and Godwin`d the thread, I`ll make this comparison; taunting the extremists by mocking Islam is like taunting the Nazis by mocking Christianity; it`ll succeed in taunting the extremists, but it`ll also offend any moderate member of that religion who might also be on your side.
Feel free to mock a religion. I do it. I find plenty to mock in religion. But it`s not smart to mock the religion of someone you`re trying to make your friend. And whatever you think about Islam, the American government is trying to be friends with other Islamic countries in the Middle East, so this video acts against that interest.
i hope that guy gets sniped then corpse humped
Ha, your a fag. I hope you get sniped, but you get anally corpse humped, while your still breathing.
Muslim Extremists, much like Christian Extremists and any other extremist groups that serve only to destroy or spread hate should be destroyed on sight. If we taunt them every now and again... I don`t give a damn.
Because if you`re taunting them by mocking their religion, then you`re taunting everyone else with that religion. I`m fine with religion being mocked. I`m not a fan of it myself. But it`s not exactly the best thing to do to win people of that religion over to your side...and if I`m not mistaken, isn`t that exactly what the US and her allies are trying to do in the middle east?
Get a fricking grip kiddies.
If they were doing this to non combatants then yes, they were wrong. But the enemy is fair game. If you don`t agree with that, then you simply do not now, nor will you ever have what it takes to fight and keep your morale over there.
The moment it got on the internet, it became no-longer isolated.
Eh- I can`t really blame them. I`ve also seen videos of Iraqi`s poking fun at, impersonating (jokingly), and fooling around at the expense of our US soldiers.
We`re human. We aren`t perfect.
How is that an acceptable excuse? That was the same excuse used for what went on at Abu Ghraib.
How can you suggest that the stress of a JOB that someone FREELY CHOSE to do is an excuse for acting in a grossly offensive and counterproductive way?
Even if there were no civilians around to hear that soldier, you can bet there are plenty who will get to hear him through this video and the internet. Even if you put aside the moral issue here, you still have the relations problem this is adding to. Many people already think poorly of the American occupation of Iraq. Don`t you think this video is going to add to that perception? If this soldier is working for a military and a government that is trying to get support for its actions in the middle east, and convince the people there to give them their support, don`t you think maybe this is harming that, that this soldier is doing his job badly?
But hey, he`s just letting off steam, right?
Yes, it is offensive what he did, but it probaby also let of some steam for him.
Yes, it is funny to us, but how funny will it be when the next film we see with him in it is his flag draped coffin coming home?
We don`t even know the situation here. For all we know, they could be in the middle of a city, screaming into that thing, offending hundreds. OR, they could be out in some trench, miles away from population faced off with a group of insurgents equally pinned down.
The fact that there is no telling what this situation truly is should give us all a hint that not everything here is as it seems.
Don`t judge this to quickly, and don`t judge it to lightly.
Don`t get self-rightous with me. You have no idea what they think we are. You think you do because you watch BBC News every night and feel good about yourself because you and your "enlightened" buddies sit around the pub and tell each other how right you are. Your problem with you and people of your ilk is you don`t have the stones to stand up for people who can`t stand up for themselves. Where were you when Saddam was murdering hundreds of thousands because of their religious beliefs? Have you ever walked a street in Baghdad or Tikrit and asked an ordinary Iraqi what they thought? Didn`t think so. I have. Are there some there who don`t want us there? Sure. But for the most part they want the changes that we are facilitating, and know that if we leave now that the power vacuum created will throw their country into chaos. But you`re right...we should have left a brutal dictator in place so he could celebrate himself more while his people starved and lived in s
And it`s not like he shot a dog or something.
when you go there then you can say its uncalled for until then stfu
Let me paint a picture, so that any supporters of this idiot might get a better idea of how stupid this is; the police surrounding some black, catholic criminals holding hostages in a house in a mostly black, catholic area, somewhere in one of your American cities...and one of them gets a smart idea to taunt them over loudhailer, mocking the mannerisms of a priest performing Mass, and calling them I am a racist!s...then turning to the crowd of residents watching, saying "Don`t worry, we`re here to protect you..."
No offence Sora, but I strongly suspect your friend is all talk, no bollocks.
i hope that guy gets sniped then corpse humped
McDuff73 - "winning hearts and minds is as valuable a tool in limiting the enemys ability to function as overwhelming firepower?" Hate to break it to you, but you`re not going to win the hearts and minds of the people we are fighting over there. I know, I`ve been there. We are fighting insurgents, not the typical Iraqi. And they don`t respond to high-fives and dinner invitations.
RickyGTO - "They are gonna get pwned if they don`t stop, think of a flanking maneuver in counter strike." The only thing I`m thinking is the word "Retard". Come out of your parents basement and join the real world. Wars aren`t like video games. I know, you have your wireless headset and all...but don`t think for a second you know anything ab
yes davymind and when insurgents strap bombs onto women and children and hide among the citizens and use that as an advantage so we don`t know who the enemy is until being fired upon, its extremely easy to know who and where the enemy is. we should direct the soundwaves straight to the insurgents ears next times.
P.S. about my last post, i got a fairly good mexican friend, i just hate the sterotypical mexicans wehre theres like 12 of em living in a house wit no running water...oh and i drating hate spanish. spanish should die. forever.
Sure Pi, they`re just doing their job. How dare anyone suggest that the troops sometimes make fun of the locals by taking advantage of their ignorance of our language? I mean, that would be a cheap shot, no way our troops would stoop that low...
and if they want to keep the enemy awake, why not fire loud poo at them every now and then?
[quote]He`s been told to do this, the less sleep the enemy gets, the less agility they have. To all of you who think its racism and ignorant, keep in mind that they are just doing their jobs and working to defeat the enemy...[/quote]
I understand that he`s doing his "job". But what makes him racist and/or ignorant is the fact that he and his friend seem to be enjoying it. Of course, for all i know, he could have been ordered to enjoy being racist and ignorant, in which case i commend him for a job well done.
I respect our soldiers, and i respect what they do and have done for us in the past. But that doesn`t mean i have to condone ignorance.
ahh screw it, i dont know.
they were american soldiers.....
hehehe, funny stuff.