Man Denied Immigration Because of Disabled Son

Submitted by: domisgood 8 years ago
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27475920/

A German Doctor was denied immigration to Australia because his son has Downs Syndrome. Australians, whats your excuse?
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Female 1,653
that sucks.
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Female 58
It`s not like he has the plague or something O_O
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Male 2,553
just leave the kid behind...
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Female 1,231
If the kid was seriously disabled and could never do anything for himself, then it would be a little more justified. However, he can "attend a normal school and play sports including cricket and football." It sounds as if he`s only mildly retarded, and wouldn`t be as much of a drain on taxpayers as his father is a benefit to the country.
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Male 7,378
you make downs syndrome sound like a cold. a doctor bringing a downs child into the world is being selfish. he`s put his desire of having a child in front of the child itself. a life of dependency, perhaps loveless and shortened life to fulfill a personal need is obnoxious coming from a doctor no less. the world doesn`t need more stupid people. we`ve had enough.
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Female 447
Huh? What`s all this talk I see? The kid only has Down Syndrome. Gosh.

I reckon people who think it is `selfish` or `too hard` obviously aren`t close to anyone with serious disabilities.

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Female 553
Nico:

I agree. My mother has always told me the same thing, and it took me a long time to realize what she meant. It is cruel to bring someone into this world who will only suffer. That being said, not all debilitating diseases can be diagnosed while in the womb. If, though, I knew for certain that the child would not ever be able to live a happy, independent life, I don`t know if I could carry him/her to term.

Also, many people abort for the same reasons financially. They cannot afford to raise the child, but do not see adoption as a happy option either. It is really hard to adopt in America, and that is partially why so many American babies are from other countries. Our adoption system needs to be revamped a bit, I think.

All I know is I`m adopting 100% American babies. =] When I`m over 30 and can care for the child financially on my own...

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Female 444
Question: If someone is eligible for government pension, but proves they can work, are they still eligible to permanently move to a country with an immigration quota? I ask because I want to move to Europe when I`m able to, but I`m disabled enough to need social security until I have a degree. (I can`t work almost all normal jobs, and will probably have to freelance some of the time when I do have the degree.) It`s also relevant to this article, sort of.

Australia has the right to do this. The family should appeal it, though.

Since we`re on the subject, I personally believe that it is selfish to bring a child into the world if they will have a significant disability and will never be even remotely independent. It is ultimately up to the parents, but if the child is unable to speak, move, etc, then they seriously have to consider the child`s quality of life. This doesn`t apply to this kid, however, because he is able to at least some normal activities.

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Male 42
This article is old. almost a month old in fact. on the face of it, it is bad, yet there was such a public outcry when it was on the news that any appeal will go through right away, and if not there will be several people losing their jobs, Kevin Rudd (our PM) will make an apperence like he does in anything that can get his face on tv and they will be allowed to stay.
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Female 4,197
i dont think i could honestly care for someone who would be dependant on me my whole life. I`m talking about knowingly giving birth to someone who would be wheelchair dependant, hand fed, nappy changed their whole lives. I just couldnt do it. Kudos to the people who do, seriously, cause taking care of kids is bloody hard work... but i dont honestly have it in me.

*waits to be beaten up and flamed upon*

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Male 7,378
children are only legally dependent until the age of 18.
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Male 1,220
GET OUT AMAG WHILE YOU STILL CAN
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Male 1,220
actually no. not a nazi. but i ask you, is it selfish to bring a life into the world who is essentially dependent on their parents for life?

that article clearly stated that the child was capable of attending public school, playing on the sports teams with other children. that proves that he was not dependent on his parents.

oh yeah, and last time i checked, ALL children are dependent on their parents/guardians for life.

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Male 2,245
*running faster*
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Male 7,378
actually no. not a nazi. but i ask you, is it selfish to bring a life into the world who is essentially dependent on their parents for life?
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Male 2,245
holy sh*t, is this thread on the verge of an abortion debate?


*running away*

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Male 1,220
If the good doctor had taken his wife for amniocentesis then he would have known his baby was retarded could have forced his wife to get an abortion, he`d be a citizen of oz and we wouldn`t be discussing this

people with down syndrome deserve life just as much as you.

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Male 8,302
> madest
> could have forced his wife to get an abortion

So you`re a Nazi then madest? You believe anyone not measuring up to your definition of health and normality should be murdered!?

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Male 7,378
If the good doctor had taken his wife for amniocentesis then he would have known his baby was retarded could have forced his wife to get an abortion, he`d be a citizen of oz and we wouldn`t be discussing this
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Female 4,197
zerocyde - why should politicians make you lose respect for a country? all pollies are screwed up. I didn`t hear about this, but I`m sure (and like adrift angel noted) people would have been angry about it!

also sabrewolf... we are most toally not the worst country. I can think of worse (and im not thinking of america or europe)

Yes we have a doctor shortage... try going to Logan Hospital, its hell... but i don`t see why they can`t make an exception. I mean, we get a doctor and the doctor gets his family, whats wrong with that?

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Female 41
Let him stay!
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Female 553
I just thought of the guy with Down`s Syndrome who kicked the little boy.

To be frank, every country has a right to secure its borders and allow in whomever it wants . I don`t see a problem with this, out side of the emotional "Political Correctness" of the situation. Sorry, but laws aren`t always PC.

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Male 2,313
Maybe the Europeans will find a new country to hate on!
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Female 39
If they let the guy in there would be precedent for other disabled people wanting to get into australia, and when a disabled person is 18 he or she will most likely be taking government pension. So make your choice... one doctor, or a thousand disabled forigners getting our tax money?
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Female 339
And why should Australia feel ashamed?
When we all found out, everyone was outraged and complaining about it.
We`re one of the most easy-going places in the world.
The only people who should be ashamed are the ones that denied the family.
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Female 339
This happened quite a while ago, tho.
It was all massive and front-page news, and then it kind of just disappeared.
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Female 4,225
Wow, just wow. I had a feeling this wasn`t from North America. Australians, you should feel somehwat ashamed.
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Female 15,763
We can`t repdict who will and won`t be a drain on society. Where do we draw the line at disabled? Am I disabled? I`m changing the f*cking law in my community, I think I make a difference.

Oh, and something can be not a choice but also not have one specific gene. Just thought I`d put that out there,

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Female 4,376
>Gothicqueen: Did you read the article? There was a shortage of doctors, so the dad had the incentive to move to Australia. Now that they`re there, they are being told the son will be a drain on society, so they can not stay.


I skimmed through it fast because I had to go out that`s very nice you clarified that but it still doesn`t change my opinion. He shouldn`t be being asked to leave just because of his child`s condition.

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Male 8,302
Australia has nothing to answer for here, all it proves is that you get anally retentive brainless morons in any beauracracy that like to wield their own little powers to make themselves feel powerful. The overwhelming public and government outcry over the issue proves that Aussies don`t think this is right either, hardly surprising for a nation whose motto is "A fair go for everyone".

To those below who say "Why should we support a useless retard?" or variations thereof - (1) Few people with Downs these days are basket cases, most live fairly normal lives, get jobs, and contribute to society; and (2) whatever it costs is going to be far less than how much the Doc saves the country in healthcare costs for those he treats, so he`ll be more than paying his own way.

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Male 2,245
i don`t feel like getting into a debate on this thread but have you ever spent time with someone with down syndrome. how can you not feel bad that this child`s life is being treated like a liability. i`m sure its already a difficult situation for the parents. i think one of the most important roles of a society should be to help a child like this who can`t help themselves. it`s an incredibly selfish policy.
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Male 949
Is this supposed to be shocking? :bored:
He`s a drain on society, there`s no denying it.
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Female 15
This is a difficult case. However, I don`t see anything done wrong. Astralia doesn`t want to let people in who will stress the country`s economy. That seems fair enough. Also, there is an appeal`s process. I`m sure that the policy is only valid if it seems that it will be likely tat the child either can`t function (contribute to society) and/or will actually be a burden (need accomodations by the government). Since the child seems like they would not need any assistance, an appeal would probably go right through. I think people are making a bigger deal out of this than it really is.
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Male 2,245
boomstick, i was quoting someone from earlier about stephen hawking so you`re insulting davymid, not me.

and i`m glad to see some europeans showing a rarely noted (at least in america) underbelly of their political and social views.

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Male 55
why should australia have to feel obliged to pay this kids medical expenses? i`m sick of liberals who are holier than thou. tell you what, go form your own liberal state and we`ll send this family over to you, so YOU can pay for all his expensive medical care he`ll need.
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Male 122
"Is Stephen Hawking a drain on society?"

No, but you are. I have dandruff that`s smarter than you. Stephen Hawking doesn`t have Down`s Syndrome retard.

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Male 1,803
Why on earth should the Australians pay for his son`s care if they don`t want to?

It`s one thing to be obliged to take in refugees who if they go home will face death but his son only has downs syndrome.

If someone knocked on your door and demanded that you give them 10,000 euros, dollars or whatever because their mother had alzheimers and that you didn`t have a choice about it, what would you do? You`d tell them to get off your doorstep and rightly so.

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Female 242
wow. that`s just wrong. that actually makes me REALLY angry.
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Male 2,245
"America`s immigration policies aren`t really much better, so lets maybe not get all holier then thou."

really? we try and remove people who have illegally entered our country and that`s a flaw in our immigration policy? (by the way i think that illegal immigration was an effective de facto fix to our need for cheap labor that got complicated after 9/11)

"Besides, who knows what the kid could potentially go on to achieve and contribute? Is Stephen Hawking a drain on society?"

i think what is happening to this family is disgusting but at the same time Stephen Hawking doesnt have Down Syndrome, and most likely this child will not be beneficial to the society.

and on the article as whole, it`s much easier to keep you`re country running smoothly when you make sure only "the right people" are allowed in. there`s oddities like this in a lot of small prosperous countries.

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Male 59
Australia is the worst place in the world.
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Male 3,255
Yesterday I find out that Australians have a decently sized rap fan base and now this??

Boy, sorry Dundee, but I`m starting to lose respect for your whole country. :(

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Female 2,258
Davy... I`m in no way defending this ruling or Norris` comment (because it isn`t definite that the son would be a drain on society... a person can have DS and still function "normally" in society without assistance) but there was an incredibly disabled DS student who attended my "normal" high school. He didn`t actually graduate, and he couldn`t care for himself much at all, but he went to a normal school, so that arguement doesn`t hold much weight.
The fact that he plays sports however, does make an impact.
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Male 86
Boy this sure makes us doctors in training look bad...... *snaps bunny`s neck*
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Male 1,225
Gothicqueen: Did you read the article? There was a shortage of doctors, so the dad had the incentive to move to Australia. Now that they`re there, they are being told the son will be a drain on society, so they can not stay.
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Female 4,376
AuburnJunky...may ask just what the F*cking hell you are talking about?

Anyways, about the actual article I think that is ridiculous! The kid has down syndrome so he can`t live in Australia because of some kind of shortage of doctors? Was that the excuse they were trying to use with that taxpayer bullcrap.

People seriously make me sick sometimes.

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Male 12,138
vv "The son would definitively just be a drain on society."

Hold on Norris- the son seems prefectly capable to function in society with minimal special needs (it says he attends "regular" school for example). Besides, who knows what the kid could potentially go on to achieve and contribute? Is Stephen Hawking a drain on society?
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Male 1,225
butters:

Just a general question, not meant as an attack... but why not just label the application "Under Advisement" and go on from there rather than refusing them permanent status outright and asking that they appeal?

It may be a matter of political correctness (which I`m usually against), but that would hurt less than being told "You can`t stay here because your son will be a burden, now go away!"

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Male 1,011
I don`t see a problem with it.

The son would definitively just be a drain on society.

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Male 1,803
Hmm, my bad, they`ve changed it since I last looked.

I`m not HIV+, honest!

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Male 7,378
Fwoggie2, you are wrong. You can come and immigrate to the USA even if you`re HIV+ (sorry about your status btw)
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Male 1,803
I think it`s perfectly reasonable of Australia to deny the guy entry. It`s harsh and I feel sorry for him but you have to see Australia`s point.

I can`t get into the US if I`m HIV + (I`m not). It`s a similar thing. No point letting in people who run the risk of costing you more money than you get out of them in taxes.

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Female 1,984
"LOL. Well the difference is being homosexual is a choice, but we won`t get into that one."

Yeah, so is being heterosexual. :p

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Male 212
sorry?
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Female 308
huh...I think the opposite situation exists here in Canada. You can become a permanent resident here, but if you`re an immigrant you probably won`t be allowed to practice medicine.
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Male 946
vv"Australia`a excuse dom is that if they shut their borders completly they could be totaly sufficient, they don`t need anymore immigrants, and they only want ones which won`t cause hassle. Bit out of order, but hey s`all bout the money"

You obviously know jack about Australian immigration policy....

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Female 2,672
Australia`a excuse dom is that if they shut their borders completly they could be totaly sufficient, they don`t need anymore immigrants, and they only want ones which won`t cause hassle. Bit out of order, but hey s`all bout the money
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Male 12,138
vv No, let`s not.
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Male 10,339
LOL. Well the difference is being homosexual is a choice, but we won`t get into that one.
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Male 7,378
Sarah Palin can "pray the gay away" maybe it would work on retards as well. Worth a try.
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Male 946
...have the ability to look at cases in much more detail, taking all relevant information into account. This applies not only to immigration decisions, but also to many other beuracratic fuctions. This is done with the intention of stramlining the initial stages of the petition. Basically, easy cases are approved, more complex ones are automatically denied, and then it is dealt with at a higher level in the appeals process. It sounds harsh when taken out of context; however it`s basically the way our beurocracy here passes things along to a higher level for a more considered determination.
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Male 1,766
Does he really need to go thought? I dont know much about german life but it seems rather calm.
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Male 946
Got to say, this is the first I heard of this...Anyone applying for a work visa in Australia is advised of the conditions of permanant residence. One of those conditions is that you need to prove that there will be no economic burden to the taxpayers. So, you need to be able to show that you are capable of working (or will have other means of financial support), and that there will be no medical conditions that will put a disproportiate strain on the system. All cases where petition for permanant residence is declined are able to go through an appeals process. Given the fact that this guy is a doctor, and the son is (apparantly) high function DS, it would be likely that the determination was made as a matter of course, and would be overturned on appeal. A lot of the beuracratic decisions in this country are done in this fashion...the initial application process doesn`t have any facility to look at a case in depth, wheras the apeals and redress procedures....
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Male 12,138
vv "Can`t we do this to Sarah Palin?"

madest, it is grossly unfair to deny anyone`s right to citizenship just because they have a child who happens to be handicapped.

Now on the other hand, if you propose to deport her because she called two of her kids "Track" and "Trig", then dammit you might have a case.

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Male 1,225
I never said anything about the U.S. doing well in that department. God forbid that I can say that something is wrong with another country when the country I happen to live in isn`t perfect either. I understand how hypocritical that sounds, but at least I`ve campaigned for immigration reform.
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Male 7,378
Can`t we do this to Sarah Palin?
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Female 1,984
"Wow thats harsh"
I agree.

I like that the wife`s name is Isabella.

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Male 474
Does there need to be an excuse?

A simple: We don`t want anymore retarded kids in our country says it all

Now, before you go and get all upset, im not excusing them. If this is what they say, and this is what they want, so be it. It`s rediculous, horrific and cruel, but since im an american citizen and this in no way affects me im not going to pick up the flag of this cause. I am condemning this behavior and i find it repulsive, but to demand some sort of excuse is like asking an explanation as to why a rock doesn`t bleed. There isn`t one....

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Male 10,339
Or maybe during the immagration test he said that a Didgeridoo was another word for soft lumpy kangaroo poop.
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Male 410
Wow thats harsh
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Female 13
America`s immigration policies aren`t really much better, so lets maybe not get all holier then thou.
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Male 2,422
Man that`s super pedo...
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Male 12,138
Dammit, we`re not going to hear from the Aussies for a while I fear... Australia`s asleep right now.
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Male 1,225
Being deported because he will become a strain on your "taxpayer funding." Really? He`s too young to be able to tell if he can`t work for himself. Not to mention his parents will probably support him.

He was asked to go to Austrailia because there is a shortage of doctors. Now we know why there`s a shortage, Austrailia deports those who are sick and in need of care. Good Job! ::thumbs up::

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Male 4,867
Link: Man Denied Immigration Because of Disabled Son [Rate Link] - A German Doctor was denied immigration to Australia because his son has Downs Syndrome. Australians, whats your excuse?
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