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Date: 11/13/08 02:38 AM

50 Responses to Alabama to Introduce “Fat Tax“

  1. Profile photo of Ani187
    Ani187 Female 30-39
    4448 posts
    November 12, 2008 at 9:59 pm
    Link: Alabama to Introduce ``Fat Tax`` - What, not Florida?
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    DuckBoy87 Male 18-29
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    November 13, 2008 at 2:46 am
    Cool, `bout time.

    Can it work like carbon emissions? As in because I`m underweight, and fully healthy, can I sell what I don`t have?... if that made any sense whatsoever.

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    drogue Male 40-49
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    November 13, 2008 at 3:06 am
    Wow, I grew up in Georgia, and I`m finding it unbelievable that Alabama is on the front lines of a social cause--oh wait...it`s about money and marginalizing people?

    Never mind.

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    TheGrag Male 13-17
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    November 13, 2008 at 3:35 am
    Good thing it isn`t in Virginia. *phew*
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    ariadnese Female 18-29
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    November 13, 2008 at 3:39 am
    Id say it was a good idea but im only 100lbs and havn`t eaten fast or fried food in 5 years and the doctors still say that my cholesterol is a little high. So yeah people really can people predisposed for that kinda stuff. But the people that eat 5 double cheeseburgers a day just because they can probably should have higher payments, its just like smoking for some people its an unhealthy choice they make.
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    malikymoo Female 18-29
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    November 13, 2008 at 4:10 am
    haha
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    cheapleis138 Male 30-39
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    November 13, 2008 at 4:22 am
    What? No stupid tax?
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    hehehenerd Male 13-17
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    November 13, 2008 at 4:53 am
    I like the tax on smokers, but some fat people just can`t help it!
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    Pabasa Male 18-29
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    November 13, 2008 at 5:23 am
    All Hail Alabama!
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    drogue Male 40-49
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    November 13, 2008 at 5:27 am
    ^ @hehehenerd:

    You could argue the point that once people are addicted to nicotine, they can`t help it, either.

    Nicotine`s a hell of a drug.

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    Rick_S Male 40-49
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    November 13, 2008 at 5:32 am
    When you say some fat people just can`t help it, you`re not telling the whole story. That makes it look like they can`t help stuffing their faces. Some people have genetic conditions, such as thyroid problems, that make it IMPOSSIBLE for them to not be morbidly obese. They can have all the self control in the world, exercise regularly, and still be morbidly obese.

    I, however, fall into the category of obese people who can`t help it because they can`t stop stuffing their face.

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    Blakcat71388 Female 18-29
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    November 13, 2008 at 6:12 am
    That makes sense. Obese people have a higher chance of dying or having a disease or something, so one would assume that their insurance would go up.

    If I were obese, I would expect that.

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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    November 13, 2008 at 6:14 am
    It`s not really a fat tax, it`s a higher health insurance premium, which is perfectly fair. All insurance companies charge more to cover higher-risk clients.

    If you`ve crashed your car before, would you think it `unfair` that you have to pay more insurance? No. Same logic applies here.

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    CheeseMan1 Male 18-29
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    November 13, 2008 at 6:16 am
    I think it makes perfect sense to increase the price of health insurance for someone who is less healthy and more likely to use the insurance than another person.
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    Kamarov Male 18-29
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    November 13, 2008 at 6:28 am
    That`s Alabama for you. You will be healthy, or we`ll tax you. Man, I love this state.
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    huck08 Male 18-29
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    November 13, 2008 at 6:49 am
    makes sense to me...about time.
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    Saragato Female 18-29
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    November 13, 2008 at 6:51 am
    Am I the only one who doesn`t think that`s fair? I`m overweight and I don`t have more health problems than my thin friends. In fact, the only time I ever really need to see the doctor is when I get a cold or have asthma problems. It`s not like I`m going there every week because suddenly my fat decided to start attacking me or anything.
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    woomanfoo Male 18-29
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    November 13, 2008 at 7:04 am
    vv While that may be true, overweight people have a statistically higher chance of developing health problems than "healthy" people.
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    Saragato Female 18-29
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    November 13, 2008 at 7:12 am
    So they`re going to charge people more on health insurance based on a generalized statistic? And what if they can`t afford the raise in insurance payments? They`ll be added to the millions of other Americans who can`t afford health insurance.
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    Philomath Male 18-29
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    November 13, 2008 at 7:38 am
    This is like charging more for smokers, or car insurance charging more when you have speeding tickets. In the long run, it is far more likely that obese individuals will have health problems. Unless Alabama is just some backwards state (insert laugh), they probably have a pretty good benefit package. $25/month probably won`t restrict any of the employees from having insurance, it`ll just encourage them to improve their health.
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    frenic Male 50-59
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    November 13, 2008 at 7:51 am
    If they are going to do that then they should introduce a Healthy Tax. People that are in good health and not overweight should get a discount of the same amount and a discount for being a non smoker.
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    AGit Male 30-39
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    November 13, 2008 at 7:56 am
    So anorexics will get paid?
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    frenic Male 50-59
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    November 13, 2008 at 7:59 am
    Are anorexics in good health?
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    dang007 Male 30-39
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    November 13, 2008 at 8:12 am
    To me this effort is a recognition that the pooling of risk, i.e. group health insurance, only works when those in the pool have carry relatively similar risks. When one group of people carry more risk than the others the low risk group is effectively subsidizing the higher risk group. Think of it like this should the person that lives at 1000 ft. elevation, pay the same rate for flood insurance as the person that lives in 20 ft from a river that floods every 5 years?

    Is this policy correct, I really do not know. But people need to start thinking about it.

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    dang007 Male 30-39
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    November 13, 2008 at 8:15 am
    >>>So they`re going to charge people more on health insurance based on a generalized statistic?<<<


    Yes just like every other type of insurance in the world. They are NOT raising health care cost only the health insurance. Insurance by its very nature is a shared risk system, where by general trends are used to determine risk and relative rates. In my opinion, employer sponsored health care has removed this mechanism from health insurance for too long.

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    cheeznipz Female 13-17
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    November 13, 2008 at 8:18 am
    lol thats hilarious! XD but still wrong..
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    sixclaws13 Male 18-29
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    November 13, 2008 at 8:46 am
    Good. It`s probably technically illegal, but something needs to happen.
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    ne028 Male 18-29
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    November 13, 2008 at 8:47 am
    just because youre not morbidly obese doesnt mean youre anorexic, lose some god damn weight
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    sixclaws13 Male 18-29
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    November 13, 2008 at 8:48 am
    "I`m overweight and I don`t have more health problems than my thin friends. In fact, the only time I ever really need to see the doctor is when I get a cold or have asthma problem"

    I bet your asthma would greatly improve with weight loss.

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    grandmasterz Male 18-29
    292 posts
    November 13, 2008 at 9:05 am
    "Those considered obese or who have high blood pressure, high cholesterol or high glucose will have to pay $25 a month more in health insurance beginning in January 2011, if they don`t take steps to address their health problems."

    It sounds like if they can prove they`ve taken steps to address health problems by 2011 they won`t be affected. I wonder what the language of the bill is. I`m with dang007 on his definition of health insurance as well.

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    Saragato Female 18-29
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    November 13, 2008 at 9:18 am
    "I bet your asthma would greatly improve with weight loss."

    I`ve had this condition since I was three. Ironically, it`s better than it used to be.

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    Kougaiji Male 18-29
    604 posts
    November 13, 2008 at 9:24 am
    Fat Tax? Thank God!

    Fattest country in the world.
    99% of fat people CAN help. 99% of the time it`s NOT glandular (when it is, it is usually apparent at very young ages).

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    jsatan Male 18-29
    256 posts
    November 13, 2008 at 10:15 am
    Blaming genetics is a joke, ha, ever seen a starving fat person??
    Ever seen a fat person running a matron?
    Doesn’t matter how bad your “genetics” are you don’t get obese from looking at food, you get obese from eating it.
    I agree totally that if you are out of shape over weight, at a higher risk of developing illness then yes you should pay, just the same as we all pay higher premiums if we live in a high crime area (yes people in low crime area are victims of crime too).
    Driving in a higher risk area, you pay higher premiums for that.

    It’s about time people who stay in shape and look their bodies get a financial reward.

    And for the comments regarding gaining weight no matter how little you eat, get your self over to a university and ask them to study you, you’re breaking the Laws of thermodynamics, you maybe the answer to our worlds energy issues.

    yeah

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    Rick_S Male 40-49
    3282 posts
    November 13, 2008 at 11:44 am
    You can`t charge more for health insurance for people who are at higher risk. If someone is in a wheelchair with MS, they are at higher risk for several things, and already cost insurance companies more. Charging them more, however, is illegal.

    What you can do is offer rebates for stuff. Everyone is charged the same amount, but those who exercise, belong to a gym, take dance...get a $25 rebate.

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    Djer Male 18-29
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    November 13, 2008 at 1:14 pm
    One question: Wouldn`t this be considered discrimination? I mean, sure, obese people are more likely to have health problems, but what would happen if insurance companies were to charge more for African Americans JUST BECAUSE they`re more likely to contract cancer or heart disease, even if that person had no history of health issues?
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    kribbe Male 18-29
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    November 13, 2008 at 1:19 pm
    i know that charging fat people for being fat is ridiculous but be optimistic for once and c that the "fat tax" actually is forcing people to loose weight, on the other hand i don`t know if it`s a good idea to force people into anorexia
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    gcghost Male 30-39
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    November 13, 2008 at 1:34 pm
    Hmmmm, but if you think about it, do fat people really cost the health insurance companies more? The way I see it the healthy people would end up living longer and by the end they`d be taking buckets of pills, getting joints replaced and racking up all kinds of costs for specialized care just to keep functioning for many more years. So, shouldn`t THEY be the ones paying more? }-)
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    Philomath Male 18-29
    174 posts
    November 13, 2008 at 2:19 pm
    @Rick_S: I don`t know where you get your insurance, but it is certainly different than where I have looked. People with certain health risks are almost always charged more if not denied. Rates can be and are determined by things like age, gender, marital status, job description, etc. Perhaps your provider is just better than mine, but I`m pretty sure it`s not illegal.

    @Djer: discrimination only counts for "protected classes." "Fat" and "ugly" are not protected classes and can be discriminated against by whatever unsavory individuals that choose to. :-(

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    madest Male 40-49
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    November 13, 2008 at 3:03 pm
    make the fat bastards pay more for airline tickets and clothes. put a surcharge on their snack foods too.
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    cryndigo Female 30-39
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    November 13, 2008 at 3:22 pm
    it`s about damn time
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    leesah Female 18-29
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    November 13, 2008 at 4:03 pm
    @gcg: If you`re healthy, you don`t need joints replaced. It`s not hard to drink milk throughout your life and a vitamin once a day to make sure you don`t need a joint replacement.

    Giant heart attacks from fatty food that require you to be hooked up to various expensive machines, receiving individualized care in a hospital for many days, however... that`ll cost you a bit more than vitamins and milk.

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    astridhaze Female 18-29
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    November 13, 2008 at 4:19 pm
    Women are already charged more for health insurance than men. Insurance companies try and pass it off as having to do with gynecological needs, but it`s really a scam to make more money.

    This is just another scam. What is the definition of obese?

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    Rick_S Male 40-49
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    November 13, 2008 at 4:24 pm
    @Philomath: I get mine through work in NY State. My Employer gives me a bunch of options, and I pick the company I want to go with. The rates are the same for every employee in the company that chooses that product. The Americans with Disabilities Act prevents insurance companies from denying people based on disability, or charging different rates for it. Life insurance, however, is different. I suppose if your employer doesn`t offer it, and you have to get it on your own, this might be different. But the article in question is about people getting it through work, so they should all pay the same.
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    RoyCassanova Male 18-29
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    November 13, 2008 at 7:38 pm
    drat fat people, taking up 2 or 3 seats on the bus. and it always smells like ass and cheetos around them
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    sixclaws13 Male 18-29
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    November 13, 2008 at 10:30 pm
    "Saragato

    "I bet your asthma would greatly improve with weight loss."

    I`ve had this condition since I was three. Ironically, it`s better than it used to be."

    And I bet it would improve even more with weight loss.

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    sixclaws13 Male 18-29
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    November 13, 2008 at 10:31 pm
    Saragato, you`re also 18. Your body can handle obesity now. Wait 10 or 15 years and it will have taken some serious damage.
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    simim23 Female 18-29
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    November 13, 2008 at 11:38 pm
    This makes perfect sense. You pay more in health insurance because you`re at a greater health risk.

    People with disabilities and diseases have to pay more. My dad has epilepsy and my sister`s autistic, and we have to pay more for our family health insurance in comparison to other families because of it.

    So why shouldn`t fat people pay more? Makes perfect sense, especially because they`re bringing it on themselves.

    (Oh, and I KNOW there are "exceptions" but, let`s face it, most of the obese out there are obese because they aren`t putting forth the effort to not be obese.)

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    GATzilla Male 13-17
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    November 14, 2008 at 2:01 am
    thats stupid... i hate living in alabama
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    opiebreath Female 18-29
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    November 14, 2008 at 4:06 pm
    It`s a lot harder to eat healthy on little to no money.
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    Vagrant86 Male 18-29
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    November 14, 2008 at 7:39 pm
    lmao

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