Transsexual Gene Found

Submitted by: Pabasa 8 years ago
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7689007.stm

Amount of time before the fundies insist on finding a "cure" for this gene: 10...9...8...
There are 71 comments:
Female 149
Someone trying to be christian about it would have said something ridiculous like, "Oh, we all have flaws, but genetics are no excuse. You have to fight your human nature and overcome the burdens placed upon you in order to be like Christ!" Which is definitely not what I said, nor is it my opinion.

Sorry about the triple post, but I`m very long winded when my feelings are hurt by false accusations of bigotry.

I`m done now. Promise.

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Female 149
Whoa whoa whoa! Just noticed this part!

"But when someone comes out spouting crap on one of these threads (as they always do) in this case directly equating transexuality to a serious mental disease which should be "cured", you can pretty much bet your arse they`re gonna be Christian. "

Oh, davymid. It wasn`t "they need to be cured"

It was "that a gene exists doesn`t prove that something is not maladaptive because there are things which are also maladaptive which are genetic"

That`s psychology class and logic puzzles talking, not sunday school.

So: that a gene exists doesn`t say one way or the other about whether or not a trait is normal or maladaptive. THAT is the point. That there is no conclusion to be drawn from this discovery.

Religion has no bloody part in it to me. Fallacy it what bugs me.

So tell me why I`m wrong, you who believe so strongly in that which is not empirical. Or are you really just an agnostic and not an atheis

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Female 149
"*Checks user profile: Christian*

Wow, there`s a surprise. "

Oh, come now, davymid, I was only being a bit of a punk while bringing up a point that seems perfectly logical to me. At least explain why it isn`t logical without picking on my background. Don`t prejudge me.

I only call myself I christian cause it`s where I`m coming from and I don`t know what else to call myself. I`m still working on my worldview. Probably always will be. I`m really quite flexible.

I was looking at it from a fairly scientific perspective. Not from a religious one.
It wasn`t Christianity that told me nature and nuture are equally important. It was my atheistic psych professor.

Don`t go scouring my user profile for bits of things to try and blow me off with. That`s just hypocritical.

It`s not that anyone needs to be cured. It`s that there`s more to us than strict genetics. That`s why it`s called predisposed, not predecided.

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Male 236
Definately. Gay Christian is not an oxymoron. Heck, marriage wasn`t even sanctified by the Christian church until 1215 AD! To give civil unions instead of marriages is definately putting them into their own class and is very degrading. It totally makes gays and lesbians 2nd class citizens. The US Supreme Court will make it legal someday, I`m sure of it. The US Supreme Court is the one that had to legalize interracial marriage because so many were opposed to it. Just shows you can`t trust the legislators!
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Male 4,012
I agree with ya (marry me!)

But then again, civil unions are bounded by law, while marriages are under religion.

Which is ridiculous. Based on the gay western people I met on the internet (and those most vocal on insisting that civil partnership is not enough; need more marriage), most are atheist or agnostic. Stupid, ain`t it?

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Male 236
Terminologies are a b*tch. That`s for sure. People who are for civil unions but against gay marriage are fightin over a frickin word for cryin out loud!
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Male 4,012
Er well, you get what I mean.

Damn terminologies. Of course I meant transexuals.

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Male 236
To Pabasa: Transvestites are not the same as transsexuals. Transvestites are heterosexual men who like to wear women`s clothing...generally for sexual reasons. They have no hankering to get their peen wacked off.
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Female 1,984
"Sigh, another opportunity to lump all religious people into one group and bash them."

It said "fundies"... that`s not all religious people. It`s what it says, and they are the ones who WOULD deny the research.

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Female 1,984
And what about female to male?

Why are they left out?

Anyway, this was interesting.

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Male 4,012
kawawakaba: Yes, you are correct that I used the incorrect term - choromosomal disease is the correct term. And yes, it`s not really something that is inherited.

But I was answering sam111`s query on the violence gene, in that you *can* blame someone`s genetic makeup for being violent, just like you can blame a tranny`s gene for making him a tranny. And in the same stream of thought, it`s not really common for a transvestite to, ya know, bring her gene down a generation.

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Female 1,264
TheBLB, go to an EbaumsWorld forum - the only forum to succesfully kill and dance on the grave of my innocence
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Female 5,139
vvv thats why its the internet, and not a coffee shop
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Male 237
I think that if every person here met in a coffee shop, half of us wouldn`t have the balls to say the ridiuuclous and callous things that are said on here. This place is brutal. No actual conversation takes place here, and I remember why I left.

<3 BLB

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Male 237
i`m really offended by the term fundie, regardless of my political views (which aren`t fundamentalist)
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Male 55
: /
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Male 2,313
QueenZira, yes, there are homosexuals in rural areas, but the percentage is much higher in urban ones. Did Elkingo ever say there was not? Mo.
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Male 672
"Don`t mess around with that gene!

Do you want to create a old greg army?!!"

Have you ever drank Bailys out of a shoe?

I`M OLD GREGG!

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Male 5,620
Zira, I never really understand you.. I didn`t say that there was no homosexuals in rural areas, just the the percentage was higher in higher populated areas. I am not sure what you mean about the conservative rule I broke?

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Female 2,228
As for the violence thing, FRACTURED ANALOGY FALLACY.

Airport security guy: "Let`s ban assault rifles in airplanes. Good?"
Majority: "YES!"
Dumb guy in background: "But what if passengers want to bring books and bologna sandwiches as carry on luggage?"
Majority: *collective snake eye*

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Female 2,228
Just b/c gay people are more visible in urban areas does not mean there are no gay people in rural areas. You might as well say there are no gays living in Iran. (as amadinejhad has) You know they kill them there, negative reinforcement can obscure anything.
Kindly remember that B.F. Skinner is not the pope of psychology.
Elkingo has broken conservative taboo numero uno: Do not agree w/ faschist dictators...
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Male 2,553
flame war... GO
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Female 1,496
WOW. Who knew there was 112 transexuals around.
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Male 4,012
sam111: Actually there is, technically a `violence` gene. Men with trisomy XYY has a high predisposition to be more violent, and they tend to end up in prison for violence.

Of course, this does not mean that people without the gene are not going to be violent, ever, nor does people with the gene will end up in jail. There is simply a correlation between the two.

Almost like this one.

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Male 2,313
elkingo, you make an excellent point.
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Male 5,620
You know, and coming in on this one rather late, homosexuality occurs more frequently in densely populated areas. Large cities, large countries, ect. as opposed to rural areas. It goes back to a theory I have adopted that homosexuality is developed, and that it is more probable that it occurs in an area where sexual difference is more accepted. You could also argue that it is instinct, but as a psychology student, I argue that it has to do with finding acceptance, as positive reinforcement goes on to aide in any behavior. I think that after puberty it is a developed thing, and that it will stay inherent in the person after that said development. Note how in this study they fail to mention any sort of human development, and attribute something solely to genes. Genetic makeup only accounts for about 50% of the psychological make up of an individual, and homosexuality is definitely a psychological trait as much as a physiological trait.
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Female 728
They forgot to test non-transexual people to see what percentage of that population has the gene they have identified.
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Male 1,766
/sarcasm
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Male 1,766
Genes were put here to test our faith in god
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Male 12,138
vv "Oh fine, so everything is the world is the fault of us androgenous people then is it!?!?!?!?"

No, it`s actually the sole fault of Androgenous himself. The IABer. Bastard.

And hey LH, we`re all loving the medals, anigifs etc round these parts... Bravo, sir!

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Male 8,302
> alice_x
> before someone flames me for my last comment i just wanna make sure y`all know i have no problem whatsoever with gay, straight or bisexual people

Oh fine, so everything is the world is the fault of us androgenous people then is it!?!?!?!? :-(

;-)

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Male 77
if in fact there is a gay or transexual gene. surely there must be a violence gene.wonder what would be said of that?lots of implications.
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Female 15,763
That`s actually... pretty interesting.

Won`t believe it until a few more studies come out with the same conclusion, though. Science takes a while to establish theories

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Female 275
That study is totally unsubstantiated. 112 volunteers?

This conclusion does not have enough evidence. I am getting angry with these "Australian researchers" engaging in lame unscientific experiments regarding controversial issues and then jumping to some conclusion.

This kind of stuff needs broad longitudinal studies before it`s taken seriously.

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Female 5,139
before someone flames me for my last comment.
i just wanna make sure y`all know i have no problem whatsoever with gay, straight or bisexual people.
At all.. all im saying, is that by their being a transesual gene, maybe its evolutions defence against the human race.
Its not like evolution can figure out that we have other means of making babies, other than sex...

again, not that i have a problem with their being other ways (i have to pretty much explain everything i say to people who may find this offensive).

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Female 5,139
"I`m no conservative or anything, but I always thought that since homosexuality serves no evolutionary purpose that people were never born gay. Hell, maybe it is as simple as a malfunction that causes an imbalance in male and female hormones in people...

Maybe. I`ll have to dig into this some more."

i think its mother natures way of cutting down the human race...if its true, if there is a "transexual gene" ...maybe evolution is trying to tell us something..
the planet is pretty overpopulated by us.

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Female 2,228
Lots of examples of hangups in evolution: Sightless eyes, flightless wings, the human appendix. However I don`t define people as "Evolutionarily defective" or "useless."

Difference = Difference, it has nothing to do with superiority/inferiority.

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Female 4,028
What do you mean by "no evolutionary purposes," Zerocyde? )-|

This is interesting, by the way. You guys should check out the book Trans-Sister Radio. It`s really good.

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Male 12,138
vv epgkngt "there are also genes that predispose people to illnesses like schizophrenia, bipolar disorder and other such things that we deem worthy of being cured... Just cause a gene predisposes you doesn`t mean it defines you..."

*Checks user profile: Christian*

Wow, there`s a surprise.

Codmily, Freddy, I hear you guys, I really do. Blanket-bashing one particular group isn`t really fair, I don`t like it either. But when someone comes out spouting crap on one of these threads (as they always do), in this case directly equating transexuality to a serious mental disease which should be "cured", you can pretty much bet your arse they`re gonna be Christian.

Not saying anything against all Christians, just pointing out that there is a significant proportion of Christians who get away with minority-bashing, and yet it`s somehow taboo to call them out on their bigotry because it`s their "faith". Sickens me.

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Male 3,255
I`m no conservative or anything, but I always thought that since homosexuality serves no evolutionary purpose that people were never born gay. Hell, maybe it is as simple as a malfunction that causes an imbalance in male and female hormones in people...

Maybe. I`ll have to dig into this some more.

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Female 149
wellllll.... I mean... there are also genes that predispose people to illnesses like schizophrenia, bipolar disorder and other such things that we deem worthy of being cured...

Just cause a gene predisposes you doesn`t mean it defines you...

It`s more often than not a question of nature AND nurture, really, as you know if you`ve taken a basic psychology course that so much as glosses over development and disorders and whatnot...

Just saying...

<ducks>

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Male 11,740
"What we REALLY need to be doing is finding a cure for that dreaded "Christian" gene!"

Codmily said it pretty well. I`d say that we really need a cure for the dreaded "morons who stereotype" gene. It`s doesn`t matter if you`re talking about Christians, Muslims, Italians, women, or trout. To say that everyone in ANY particular group is the same is closed minded and moronic.

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Male 1,297
any news on the "straight" gene yet?
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Male 626
Don`t mess around with that gene!

Do you want to create a old greg army?!!

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Male 610
i don`t get it. how it part of someones genes?
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Male 5,194
>>"Well it may or may not have an effect on the person" rather then something substantial,
I guess it`s an advancement?

Screw it. Get on HRT anyway - Premarin (the purple ones, yellow isn`t strong enough) and an androgen blocker like aldactone. Save your money for electrolysis, that`s the single most expensive part of it. Get a corset and wear it 24/7. Plug a microphone into your computer, download a spectrum analyzer and practice talking.

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Female 360

LoofahBoy
Male, 18-29, Western US
2439 Posts Tuesday, October 28, 2008 10:34:16 AM
What we REALLY need to be doing is finding a cure for that dreaded "Christian" gene!

No... what we need to find is a cure for the 20 year old who lives on the computer gene. Get a life and quit ripping on others.

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Male 2,855
its just a matter of time before they find the emo gene
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Male 3,301
What we REALLY need to be doing is finding a cure for that dreaded "Christian" gene!
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Male 756
Hmmm.
Although it was basically saying "Well it may or may not have an effect on the person" rather then something substantial,
I guess it`s an advancement?
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Male 807
Thailand ladyboys.

Science fiction came to life.

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Male 1,686
all this gene manipulation poo cares me. we`re doomed! turn back Gulliver!
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Male 11,740
So it may or may not make a difference, along with other genes that may or may not make a difference.

Wow, that was enlightening. Maybe the next story will be about how drinking bottled water may or may not contribute to global warming.

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Male 762
On a night out once i stopped by a pub to pick up some smokes from once of those fantastic over priced machines and there was a transvestite comedian and good god it started rippin on me becuase i had a lady friends sun glasses on and the fact my mates all waited outside made it oh so much worse , i will admit funny stuff though ! True story :-)
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Female 5,139
lol davy, that made me want to throw up and laugh all at once D: :D
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Male 12,138
Awww, it`s a true kodak moment. You guys are making me fill up. Sniffle

*grabs tissue*

*realises it`s the one from the coffee-boobie thread last night*

*Throws it away, grabs clean tissue*

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Female 5,139
You shouldn`t, i got the same rant at me a while ago, about posting too much and saying alot about one subject. If thats your personality, you should be who you are no matter what anybody else says.
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Female 4,376
V it`s alright Alice You did make kind of a point. I know I tend to go off on a lot of things and I wil try my best to keep my opinions short and simple unless things start to turn into an actual debate. lol
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Female 5,139
Completly off the topic of transexuals. I want to apologise to GothicQueen for being snappy and a bitch towards you the other night. Im sorry about that, i had a bad day and it wasn`t your fault at all..
It wont be happening again and it was completly unlike me to act like that. So im sorry Gothic, you seem like a nice girl, and you didn`t deserve that, everything i said was way harsh, and i feel like an arse for it. Sorry, again.
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Male 1,164
i have lots of transexual friends my gay uncle works as a blue coat in a holiday camp almost a quarter of his mates are either transvestites or transexual its like the rocky horror picture show there it really is :)
not one of em is a nasty person either
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Female 4,376
About The actual article though I find it interestingto say the least but I don`t really care. So what if they find a "transsexual" gene? What are they gonne try to "cure" it? While I do believe that everything has some scientific basis to it I have a different belief about how and why people are transsexual.

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Female 4,376
I feel so bad for transsexuals. They have to live with so much ridicule from people. My aunt knew a guy who was tran and he was so freakin awesome! Did awesome make-up too. :-) Not trying to sterotype here but I have noticed that gay guys and transsexuals really do seem to be better at hair and make-up then most girls. I`d love to get a make-over by one XD
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Male 2,388
still though it is a good topic on whether we really have accepted who we are.People who change their gender are probably more familiar with themselves "courage" than most other people.
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Male 2,388
yeah and theirs probably a gene that makes you want to have sex and one that makes you feel like you need to eat, sleep, laugh at certain humour and so on. wheres the long life span one damnit!!>-(
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Male 123
vv Me. I like my manhood very much, thank you.
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Male 12,138
vv Well, I for one don`t want periods. Period.
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Female 5,139
"One study has shown that certain brain structures in male-to-female transsexual people are more "female like"."

....well, who wants to be male anyway? :-P

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Male 2,313
Sigh, another opportunity to lump all religious people into one group and bash them.
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Male 7,378
so does this mean you can`t "pray the gay away"? damn, what will sarah palin do now?
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Male 602
Well, soon enough the whole plot of Xmen 3 is gonna happen, minus cars being thrown around.
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Male 4,012
Link: Transsexual Gene Found [Rate Link] - Amount of time before the fundies insist on finding a `cure` for this gene: 10...9...8...
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