Sex Offenders Sue For Halloween Discrimination

Submitted by: yudontn0me 8 years ago

Here"s the question: Do convicted sex offenders have the right to pass out Halloween candy?
There are 93 comments:
Female 251
"Considering you`re talking here about someone who may have been 19 having sex with a 17 year old, I don`t think so. Maybe evaluate it on a case by case basis.

Some 19 year old just out of highschool doing the dirty with a girl just about to leave highschool is not a risk to some 8 year old wanting candy any more than a non-offender.

If it`s case by case, that`s another matter. Obviously a known child molester (some 30 year old guy abusing some 5 year old), then you have an entirely different story. "

I agree with Baalthazaq

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Male 4,547
Considering you`re talking here about someone who may have been 19 having sex with a 17 year old, I don`t think so. Maybe evaluate it on a case by case basis.

Some 19 year old just out of highschool doing the dirty with a girl just about to leave highschool is not a risk to some 8 year old wanting candy any more than a non-offender.

If it`s case by case, that`s another matter. Obviously a known child molester (some 30 year old guy abusing some 5 year old), then you have an entirely different story.

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Male 2,422
SilverThread: For a long time the majority was a-ok with little things like slavery and persecuting minority religions. I guess the abolitionists should have reevaluated their positions huh?
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Male 1
I`m going to play devil`s advocate here. honestly the law for this is stupid. People have to be posted as a sex offender on the web that is enough. tell them they can`t give out candy. where I am from, if you don`t give out candy you turn you porch light off. If you do give out candy you turn the porch light on. Just tell these people to leave the porch light off and follow those standards. At the rate things are going more and more restrictions are going to be placed on things that don`t need restrictions not just for sex offenders. Yes i believe we need to know who they are. Yes i believe they should have limited rights. Do convicted murderers who have gotten out of prison have to do this? no, but they are just as high a risk too.
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Male 2,553
i think its good that they are doing this.

tho i do think, some sex offenders banged 17 year olds.. i dunno..

its for the best i guess.

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Female 327
SilverThread: "Majority Rule in America Means JUST THAT! If MOST of us think a certain way then you need to reevaluate your priorities."

Eh. I agree with you that these people should not be able to hand out candy, but this country is not really majority rules, since the majority has proven so many times in the past to be dead wrong. The Bill of Rights were written specifically to protect the rights of minority.

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Male 8,302
Sure they have the right to pass out candy... just as I have the right to shoot them like the filthy subhuman deranged sociopaths they are if I see them getting their jollies while they`re doing it.

(Hint: Lion may not like sex offenders)

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Male 397
labels bad
agreed?
if we made you wear a "douchbag" sign, would you like it? because all those signs really say is "i`m a registered sex offender"
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Male 62
they have not paid their debt to society, and until the day that they are all dead they will never have paid their debt to society.

it`s just a sign. be glad it`s just that and not the f-u-c-king gallows.

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Male 3,431
Who the HELL is the ACLU Protecting?! They are Effing with my DAMN CIVIL LIBERTIES! FOUR FREAKING DUDES! FOUR!!! Majority Rule in America Means JUST THAT! If MOST of us think a certain way then you need to reevaluate your priorities. The sort of Crime in question here is a Social Cancer and Just like Cancer, you HAVE to treat it aggressively, you cannot allow any scrap of it to remain or it WILL GROW BACK.

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Male 3,431
Makes sense to me, if I have to hang a "Beware of Dog" Sign on my goddamn fence to warn people of a Dog on the property, why the hell shouldn`t a sex offender be required to do the same thing? Are we holding DOGS to a higher standard of Behavior?

For the same reason a recovering Alcoholic shouldn`t go into a Bar, a sex offender shouldn`t be put in a spot where his resolution not to re-offend might fail. Though in my opinion, the idea of recidivism should mean a hasty execution for such heinous crimes.

As for the argument that "Parents should do a better job Protecting their Kids" Well mother drater THAT is EXACTLY why parents want your sorry ass to have this RETARDED SIGN in your window. Because we *ARE* protecting our Kids. TRUST ME, if many of us had our way, you wouldn`t need a sign, you`d need a headstone.

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Male 2,510
If your a sex offender it doesn`t necessarily make you a pedophile.
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Female 15,763
Well that doesn`t make sense.

Sex offender is for someone who commits a sexual crime against a person of ANY age, not just children.

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Female 6
"they shouldn`t be crying about not being able to hand out halloween candy.maybe they shouldn`t of done those crimes in the FIRST PLACE!"

they are not suing because they can`t pass out candy. they are suing because not only can they not pass out candy, but they have to hang one really ugly sign on their door saying that they don`t have candy. labeling them as a sex offender.

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Male 7,378
they weren`t "pro-pedo" comments they were comments that reaffirm everyones right to liberty. just because the state labels someone a sex offender doesn`t mean they are.
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Female 204

they shouldn`t be crying about not being able to hand out halloween candy.maybe they shouldn`t of done those crimes in the FIRST PLACE!
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Female 51
I`m a mother with a 1 year old, while it is nice to know who is a sex offender, this is wrong.

They guy defending the sex-offenders is right, Halloween is safe, A. there are adults everywhere, so I doubt anyone`s stupid enough to do some poo B. No one is dumb enough to allow their child to go out on their own(either you go with friends or you go with a trusted adult) C. Everyday life is more hazardous than Halloween.. its not like parents watch their kids all the time, hell I had thousands of times when I was little to run off without my parents noticing.

Hell I`d rather send my child(when she`s older) to some pedo`s house on Halloween than give her gasoline and matches and tell her to run off and play

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Male 1,766
sexoffendor dosnt mean pedo all the time sheesh
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Female 164
P.S. I knew a guy who was friends with this pedophile who had only served 9 years for molesting two 8 year old boys. What did he do when he got out? Turns out he "sexually serviced" a 15 year old boy on multiple occasions. Keep in mind this guy was 38!!

These people do NOT learn their lessons! They`re disgusting. Passing out candy to little kids? No way in hell, thank you very much.

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Female 164
those annoying pro-pedo comments on the bottom of the video are stupid.
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Male 340
"..but I challenge you to point to a single case in which some kid went to a house on halloween got candy and a crime followed"

Of course, so we should wait until one does.

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Female 6
so, lets say a murderer gets out of jail, where is his sign? oh yeah, he doesn`t have to have one.

fair?

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Male 777
That news-guy pisses me off. He epitomizes the word `douchebag.`
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Female 297
As a mom of 3 and the sister of someone who was sexually abused I say this with my whole heart: HELL NO THEY DONT GET TO PASS OUT ANY FRIGGIN CANDY!!
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Male 776
... Its like having a sign saying "Black people" on a persons lawn or something.

so you equate black people with sex offenders?


either way, why the drat is this such a big deal, some people need to understand that certain people just dont deserve certain rights

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Female 635
@Radic393- We don`t kill them because it`s going completely overboard. It isn`t like they took someone`s life. It`s horrible thing, but it doesn`t merit the death penalty

I think that they have a good point. Everything in moderation, and to the extent it needs to go to. I think if a sex offender can prove that he or she is to a point reformed, then they should be able to hand out candy. Little kids have their parents, at at my age (Around thirteen) we`re smart enough not to just go along with whatever.
I think at least they should be able to fight for the right to not be humiliated an alienated.

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Male 375
"I`m tired of hearing about the sex offenders and everything they did wrong, how can they prove they learned their lesson if they can`t talk to a kid?"

Why don`t we try it with your kid?

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Male 380
I would understand if they are not allowed to hand out candy (if they did child molesting or something). But i dont think they should have signs labeling them... Its like having a sign saying "Black people" on a persons lawn or something.
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Male 136
why don`t we just execute child molesters when they are caught the first time
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Male 1,204
also, the person forget the clause, that there are other rights yada yada not mentioned in the constitution. that`s wat our government is for, to fill in the gaps. the colonials didn`t have a problem with "sex offenders giving out candy during Halloween," so clearly they didn`t mention it.

i`m sure there is paranoia in the people, but saying it`s completely wrong to bar offenders can also bring about problems.

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Male 7,378
the problem with the label "sex offender" is it used on such a broad basis that it has diluted the crime. a guy that rapes a kid is much more suspect than a 18yo who gets a BJ from a 16yo. they`ve turned a crime into a cry wolf situation and i`m embarrassed for MD
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Male 1,204
I think the commentator of the video was bigotted, stupid, and just asinine all around. The lawyer fighting for the sex-offenders however, brought many good points, and i agree with him on most parts.

People who yell CONSTITUTION, CONSTITUTION, without enough knowledge of the constitution are just annoying. Once you`ve infringed upon the rights of others, you`ve lost some of your own rights. Look at prisoners, oh no, where are their rights! we should let them out and have freedom, pursue their happiness!

they do this just as a safegaurd. the huge pumpkin is superfluous, but they still should take a bit of precaution. i think the lawyer was sensible and a compromise would work out fine.

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Male 204
Oh my God, are you serious?


a) not all sex offenders are child molesters
b) if you`re walking with your kid, WHAT DOES IT MATTER?
is the resident going to molest both of you??
c) not all sex offenders are caught. which means that at some point in your life you may have taken candy from a sex offender.
d) like i said, WHY DOES IT MATTER?


Just let the people have some damn fun on a holiday.

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Female 2,258
Lunar, that`s why the laws need to be fixed regarding who is considered a sex offender. In some places a guy can get slapped with that title if he pees outside.
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Male 2,796
Hmm, I`m torn really. On one hand there is a good point that not all sex ofenders really did much to rate being labeled as a sex offender. On the other, it is true that, much like alcoholics... these people will always have the urge if the opportunity arises.

Perhaps there should be ratings on what type of sexual offense they did. Maybe like offenses to ones below 15 should only be made to have the signs. (Some people are stuck on child sex)

Also, I think parents should be with their children if they choose to celebrate Halloween.

I hate the ACLU though. They always seem to want to fight for scum. Molesters, terrorists, etc.

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Female 217
This law makes no sense. Statutory rape is a sex offense, too? So suddenly some 18 year old has sex with his 17 year old girlfriend who`s a month younger than him because he just had a birthday, and he`s not allowed to pass out candy anymore?

Jeez, just tell them to turn off thier porch light and be done with it. I`m 16 and I still trick or treat, and I have known since I was 4 not to go to a house with thier porch light off. >_<

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Female 308
"If a criminal is a dangerous offender, their address (at least in canada) is public knowledge. If I go to the registry, I could even find out where Karla Homolka lives. All sex offenders are on there as well."

Is that so Raccoon? I believe this site says otherwise, at least for sex offenders, correct me if I`m wrong:
Sex Offenders Registry

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Female 6
As someone who hates sex offenders, I also hate the rights the sex offenders lose. sex offenders have barely anywhere to live and then they still have to let themselves be known to the neighborhood when they move in. I honestly its outrageous that these sign s are forced to be placed on a door of a sex offender. If I was a sex offender I would be suing too. Tell then they aren`t allowed to pass out candy, don`t make them put up a sign saying they have no candy with a pumpkin on it?!?! I`m tired of hearing about the sex offenders and everything they did wrong, how can they prove they learned their lesson if they can`t talk to a kid?
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Male 228
It`s not about the right to pass out candy, that`s a just a titular statement made soley for Ratings. It`s about the right to privacy. It`s about whether it`s right to continue to punish people 10, 20, 30, 40 years after they`ve paid they`re debt to society.
None of the laws put in place actually protect children, period. That goes for the Megan`s Law registration requirements, restrictions on where a sex offender may go, and any other restrictions that may be made. Why? Simply put, the only people who will obey these laws, are those who don`t plan to break it.
Go ahead and check out the Megan`s Law Website. Every single person on that website is a law-abiding citizen doing there best to get by. The cops know who they are, where they are, and if something happens in their neighborhood they know what will happen to them.
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Male 228
The Sex Offenders you need to fear are the ones not on that list at all. Worse, there are quite a few Sex Offenders on that list whose location is currently Unknown. Those are the men intent on breaking the law.
And that`s why these laws don`t work: Lawbreakers don`t follow the law.
All these law`s do is punish the men who actual want to change their lives and become better people.
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Male 1,365
Sex offenders should lose the right to interact with children, it`s common sense and prevention. Freedom also means my childrens` right to safety and happiness. Parents probably feel stronger about this than teens.
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Female 86
i think theres a potential risk of letting sex offenders hand out sweets at christmas but if you advertise the fact that they once did something wrong, even if they served their time for it they can`t possibly get over it. if you once regrettably committed a crime and were branded as a ruthless criminal for the rest of your life, how would that make you feel?

though of course some of those sex offenders would inevitably mess around with those sweets.

(and btw the little argumantal pop-ups throughout the clip were insanely annoying. how many times can you say `period` in 4.29 minutes???)

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Female 237
They ought to be in jail forever for violating a kid... I can`t believe they`re whining about a sign on the door. They don`t deserve to live within 100 miles of any kids, much less in their neighborhoods! We are way too easy on sex offenders as it is. This is ridiculous!
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Male 285
its like the right to vote .. u lose it wen u screw up .. end of story
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Female 4,376
Eh. It`s a slippery slope. Some people get registered as sex offenders that never really did anything wrong. But then you have the people that went and had sex with their 3 year old daughter. I mean I belive that they are human beings and if I had the patience to get a masters degree in psychology and law I always wanted to work with people like that. Only because I really believe that just talking to someone like they are human beings with feelings and faults and problems instead of an animal it can really help them, but I digress.

I think they should be allowed to give out Candy or at least not have to have a sign on their front lawn that singles them out but at the same time many they did get themselves in this mess and should`ve thought about the consequences.

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Female 960
"but I do think that the sign might be a bit over-doing it."

Why? I`d gladly take one if I had a house just to keep the brats from banging on my door...that is, if it didn`t make my neighbors think I rape kids in my spare time.

" but you can`t punish the children who have irresponsible parents by not making them aware of the sex offenders in their neighborhood. "

Uh, yeah you can. Its called not having a stupid, dense kid. Street smarts goes a long way.

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Male 369
i think it should only apply to dirty child molesters and violent crime offenders. like iroj said "if they wanted to hand out candy so badly they should have thought twice before putting their hand down little Timmy`s pants". statutory rape is stupid. i think that once you violently rape someone or if you rape a baby you lose your rights as a human being a deserve to be treated like poo because that`s all you are. I wouldn`t want my kids getting any lollies from either of them as the lollies will probably be a lolliepop in his pants... fugging sex offendrs
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Female 1,545
The vast majority of sex offenders have committed felonies. And when these people become felons, they lose their rights to a lot of things.

And while I`m all for parents stepping up and being responsible for their children, but you can`t punish the children who have irresponsible parents by not making them aware of the sex offenders in their neighborhood. It isn`t the children`s fault, but they will be the ones who feel the repercussions.

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Male 1,228
I have to agree with both of them.
I do think that Sex Offenders shouldn`t be anywhere near children, let alone having lots go walk up to their doorstep, but I do think that the sign might be a bit over-doing it.
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Male 712
Here`s the question: Do convicted sex offenders have the right to pass out Halloween candy? Fu%k. No. It`s like Michael Jackson opening a babysitting service.
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Female 960
Well, if they wanted to hand out candy so badly they should have thought twice before putting their hand down little Timmy`s pants and instead just whacked off to the Lolicon section in 4chan.
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Male 460
well ya they shud have signs, for saftey reasons duh thats like saying road slippery then wet, but oh if ur a carefull driver then u wont die.
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Male 1,788
Anwarnova--Very much agreed.

As stated earlier about the scarlet letter and whatnot, also agreed.
Most sex offenders aren`t child molesters. They could be just normal rapists, or lets say an 18 year old who had sex with his 15 about to turn 16 year old girlfriend.
And why not murderers? Ex gangbangers? Convicted drug dealers? Are these people not as dangerous? What is that, basically all ex-cons? I completely agree with suing. It`s horsepoo. It`s a fine balance between discrimination between protecting children and going on a witch hunt, and they crossed it.

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Female 340
4) They should not need the "no candy" signs. Instead, especially if they have an order to NOT be within X feet of children, then they should turn out their porch light and not make any indication that their house is inviting during halloween night.
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Male 81
This is the same argument as censorship on TV, except with candy corn instead of TV shows.

One group is going to say that they have to protect the children from such and such and that if they don`t, then they`re being negligent.

The other says that it is the parents` responsibility to keep an eye on their child.

I think that we need to find a nice balance. Sure, parents have to be responsible but let`s face it, they can`t be everywhere all the time. They need some help. I think that simply telling the sex offenders not to hand out candy / turn off the lights is a good idea. It doesn`t humiliate them any further, and everyone is still safe.

Incidentally, I`m from Maryland, and with our government, I don`t see this sticking. At least not for very long...

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Male 9,306
I had a feeling this would be "news".
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Female 340
dreadqueen, that boils down to exactly what I`ve said.
However, as our neighbourhood does have monthly newsletters, it has been made a public request that any and all dogs be put in the backyards where they won`t be able to get to the kids, in order to minimize the potential for attacks. (A couple months ago, a pit bull attacked a young child after breaking his leash near here... So it was necessary.)
But yes. Parents should be out there WITH their kids, or keep a walkie talkie or something with the "tweens" and teenagers. I know my parents did that with me and my sister... And I know I`ll be doing it with my kids.
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Female 913
I wonder if the dude who is against the signs is a pedo?
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Female 331
I very much agree with you, Alice X. Not all sex offenders are child molesters...statutory rape gets a Sexual Offender label as well. Some sexual offenders have never touched a child.

Also...why is it ONLY sex offenders that have to do this? Do these people understand that sexual predators are NOT the only dangerous people in the world?? Stay away from that sexual offender`s house kids, but go right up to the house where the violent drug dealer lives, or the one whose unpredictable doberman gets to the door before the owner does.

What it comes down to is parental responsibility. Accompany your children trick or treating and if you don`t want to go to a house, then don`t. Halloween crimes are usually along the lines of vandalism and fights rather than sex crimes.

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Female 340
yes, nanderson. Like I said, here in Canada, dangerous offenders are required by law to release their address to the public. If parents were smart, they`d get the list of local offenders and make a point to avoid any that may be close to them.
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Female 69
Don`t sex offenders already have to share to the neighborhood where they`re living, and are on maps and such? I totally think its the parents job to watch their children on halloween. Its just like a modern version of The Scarlet Letter.
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Female 340
BTW, darkercheese, it stems from seasonal and harvest celebrations. From a pagan viewpoint, you`d actually be about to celebrate the southern hemisphere`s Beltainne, while Samhain (which is the origin of Halloween) would be around late april/early may.
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Female 340
1) If a criminal is a dangerous offender, their address (at least in canada) is public knowledge. If I go to the registry, I could even find out where Karla Homolka lives. All sex offenders are on there as well. Parents should look it up and avoid those people if they are so concerned.
2) Parents should be going with the kids to Trick-or-Treat. I know I`ll be out there, dressed up of course.
3) It`s a frivolous lawsuit, started by people who, in my opinion, have forfeited all rights to normal society when they first committed and then were convicted of their crimes.
4) They should not need the "no candy" signs. Instead, especially if they have an order to NOT be within X feet of children, then they should turn out their porch light and not make any indication that their house is inviting during halloween night.
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Male 136
There is so much irrational fear these days. People should supervise their kids if they are young, and more importantly, teach them to take care of themselves when they get older. If you can`t trust your kids to make good decisions, then you are doing something wrong as a parent. I`m sorry if that sounds harsh but it just seems like parents are way too paranoid.
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Female 5,139
What if its a sex offender that had sex with an underage person who lied about their age?
...but still got time for it
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Male 41
i would have thought that handing out candy 2 children is a right in the same way that visiting schools and parks is a right. have 2 agree that the holiday seems a little odd. we dont really celebrate it here
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Male 648
I was really expecting the onion, but wow.

handing out candy on halloween is not a right.
this "holiday" is so stupid

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Male 41
clever-chan : i think its more a case of people wondering where we should draw the line in warning people about things, so really every ones opinion has no way of being proven right or wrong!
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Female 5,139
I agree that parents should be more responsible anyway, if i knew a sex offender lived in a certain house, or if they had the sign, i wouldnt take my kids there anyway...and theres no way they would be going halloweening without me, not just cos id be responsible, but its the perfect excuse to dress up as something scary and act 13 again xD
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Female 80
I think they should have there houses labeled. How are parents who do take their kids trick or treating supposed to know what houses to stay away from? They can`t protect their children with out knowing what places to keep them away from.

davymid: They sell those near my home too. Gotta love the Bay Area. :)

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Female 345
darkercheese: I don`t have a problem with them losing their rights so much as I have a problem with the government further removing responsibility from parents. I do see where you`re coming from though.
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Female 1,063
These guys are stupid. It`s just an excuse to get close to children and that whats turns them on. Jeez how obvious can they be, gimme a break.
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Male 41
clever-chan : i still think, that even if there is a website, that sex offenders do, in my opinion (and it is only an opinion i do accept) lose many rights that they may have origionally had. how can they fight for such a small right, when they have acted out MUCH greater rights abuses themselves....its only a sign...get over it people

p.s. go pedo bear

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Male 807
Castrate them, then let them hand out candy.

Win/Win for both sides.

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Male 2,076
I think all criminals, sex offenders should have to go around wearing badges saying "I`m a bad person". If they refuse, kill them.
Afterall, no one deserves a second chance, a criminal will always be a criminal after they`ve committed a crime.
Actually, scratch that. I think we should catch criminals before they commit the crime. Don`t even let them have a first chance.
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Male 817
The point of the restrictions that are already applied is to not allow sex offenders where there are more children than adults (i.e. parks, schools et cetera), that`s why his analogy of "They may run into a kid at the grocery store" is asinine. With Halloween, there is a majority of children and a minority of adults. Yes, parents should be mindful and protect their children, I agree, but what about the "tweens" and teenagers who go out by themselves?

I say no, sex offenders shouldn`t be allowed to pass out candy. They lost their right to interact with kids in an environment where a majority of them are below 18. The whole "trick or treating" aspect is a "kid" thing and 1 out of 20 people walking up to the door asking for candy are going to be considered an "adult" legally. If they want to join in on the festivities so badly, they can go to an adult Halloween party or something.

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Female 345
darkercheese: http://www.familywatchdog.us/ is a site where you can see them on a map. Plus, what kind of parent doesn`t go with their children or have a trusted friend or family member go with them when they`re trick-or-treating? And, as stated in the news clip, when has there ever been an incident of a trick-or-treater being assaulted/molested on Halloween with proper adult supervision?
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Female 70
why arent the sex offenders in prison? if i had a child, i woulnt let them out in the streets at any time of the year if i knew that sex offenders could be anyone, anywhere. :\
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Male 41
it seems to me that the sign should not be Halloween orientated. maybe not say that candy is not available at the house, and leave it more open to people deciding for themselves if they want to have them/their kids visiting. if their children can not be trusted to make the decision for themselves, should they really be allowed to go out around the neighborhood on their owns in the first place?
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Female 5,139
The writing that kept popping up was doing my head in D:
i didn`t lnow whether to read that or listen arghh
but im kinda tied on this one...
Do they deserve the right to still have kids come to their house?
... im not sure, if they have done their time id usually say yes but... children.
Its one of those that needs alot of debate, and discussion before a decision is made. and it depends on the circumstances too...
but for now id say no, they shouldnt have kids come to their house.
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Male 5,620
It all boils down to parents wanting to just send their kids into the world unsupervised, and then blame the world for bad things that happens.
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Male 41
as someone who lives nowhere near a fireworks factory and has nothing to do with a fireworks factory, i think i would support an arsonist working there........wait......maybe my point doesnt carry onto the topic as well as i thought it might
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Male 2,050
I think sex offenders should be executed. If someone was arrested and convicted for touching my child inappropriately I would commit a crime just so that I can stab him in the neck with a sharpened bed spring.
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Male 311
what the hell kind of retardedness is this?
ofcourse they dont deserve the right to give out poo on halloween.

You wont let an arsonist work in a fireworks factory would you?

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Male 41
clever-chan : but how will u prevent your kids from being around them without knowing which houses 2 avoid? isnt that the point of the sign..so that people will know where they are?
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Male 410
Simple Answer: No. They have already proven they cant help themselves.
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Female 345
I happen to agree with them suing. This just further removes responsibility from the parent. It`s their job to watch their kids and furthermore this is discrimination. Not to say that I would want my kids around a sex offender but it`s MY job as a parent to prevent that.
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Male 1,297
Wow, that was the most unintelligent conversation I`ve heard in a while
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Male 41
wait...what? really....do sex offenders really deserve many rights? really i have to say i believe we should be keeping kids away from their houses... ahaha "that doesnt need to be prevented" wow he managed 2 say something that is easy 2 be taken out of context....or even in context it seems 2 me :/
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Male 12,138
Sure, why not? They can give out some of these chocolates, which they sell round the corner from my place. Gotta love Amsterdam.

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Female 471
everyones so touchy. ha. ha. *ba dum cha*
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Link: Sex Offenders Sue For Halloween Discrimination [Rate Link] - Here`s the question: Do convicted sex offenders have the right to pass out Halloween candy?
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