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81 Responses to Penn and Teller BS on Gun Control

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    grassclip Male 18-29
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    October 28, 2008 at 9:54 pm
    Link: Penn and Teller BS on Gun Control - Penn and Teller and explain the problem of gun control.
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    YourName Male 13-17
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    October 28, 2008 at 10:45 pm
    Guns dont kill people, the manic behind the trigger kills people.
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    deathbringer Male 18-29
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    October 28, 2008 at 10:48 pm
    it cut off the conclusion?
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    Scotchy Male 18-29
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    October 28, 2008 at 10:49 pm
    Its like 20-30 minutes long.. should post the whole thing not part of it =/
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    Gamey91 Male 13-17
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    October 28, 2008 at 10:54 pm
    I think everyone should have the right to have a gun. IMO, guns prevent crime because, who would rob a house of a gun owner? It is almost suicide. If someone really wanted to kill someone, they would do it, with or without a fire arm. Also, even if you banned a firearm, people would still find a way to get them. On the topic of a child finding a gun, it is the parent`s fault. The parent needs to inform their child or at least find a sure way to hid them. I grew up knowing where my dad`s guns are and he disciplines me. Even my little sister knows not to touch it.
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    Lionhart2 Male 40-49
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    October 28, 2008 at 10:56 pm
    I love Penn & Teller`s BS, even when they`re Wrong According To Me. Check out their shows on Religion and PETA sometime!
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    dragonshadoz Female 18-29
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    October 28, 2008 at 10:58 pm
    "We`re like Penn and Teller. Bring the tiger out! Oh, no, that`s um... those gay dudes."
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    opiebreath Female 18-29
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    October 28, 2008 at 11:01 pm
    My favorite episode of bullsh*t is their bottled water one.

    I honestly think expensive bottled water is one of the most pretentious things you can buy.

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    LoofahBoy Male 18-29
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    October 28, 2008 at 11:06 pm
    Whoever said "Guns dont kill people, people kill people" obviously never met the Foster-Miller TALON.

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    mcflylives Male 30-39
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    October 28, 2008 at 11:15 pm
    this should prolly be marked as nsfw due to language......
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    geek_nimrod Female 18-29
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    October 28, 2008 at 11:17 pm
    lol @ LoofahBoy.

    I`m not too into Penn and Teller, though. They strike me as... dicks.

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    seankerr001 Male 18-29
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    October 28, 2008 at 11:19 pm
    Yeah. I watched it all.
    I don`t think gun control laws do anything to stop a revolution. If a revolution is illegal, the use of guns to achieve the revolution would be illegal as well.
    I sure hope the smug guy in the beginning doesn`t depend on his stupid dog for security.
    I`d take a magnum .45 over a stupid little dog any day.
    I bet Penn an Teller really confuse people politically. First they attempt to debunk religion then they support the 2nd amendment. They must live on their own little wing of politics.
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    YourName Male 13-17
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    October 28, 2008 at 11:21 pm
    LoofahBoy

    Why doesnt the government just hire a buncha gamers to kill people in the middle east?

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    autographed Male 18-29
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    October 28, 2008 at 11:23 pm
    I think that P&T should stick to magic. They`re REALLY good at that, but when it comes to politics and religious, they piss a lot of people off...
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    earthshone Male 18-29
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    October 28, 2008 at 11:28 pm
    "tit-sling"...nice. that was actually quite a waste of time. And I love Penn & Teller. I made their `bleeding heart` Haloween cake when I was 15.(from one of their books)
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    StefanM Male 18-29
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    October 28, 2008 at 11:33 pm
    "First they attempt to debunk religion then they support the 2nd amendment. They must live on their own little wing of politics."

    How do religion and the right to bear arms have anything to do with one another?

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    LoofahBoy Male 18-29
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    October 28, 2008 at 11:39 pm
    "Why doesnt the government just hire a buncha gamers to kill people in the middle east?"

    They ARE, man.

    Who do you think they have remote piloting all those Predator drones over the middle east right now?

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    Giligadi Male 40-49
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    October 28, 2008 at 11:41 pm
    i love penn and teller. i don`t always agree with them, but i love them nonetheless.
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    AnwarNova Male 18-29
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    October 28, 2008 at 11:42 pm
    wow. didn`t expect this from penn and teller. especially since their so douche bag like all the time.
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    Pabasa Male 18-29
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    October 28, 2008 at 11:48 pm
    P&T are great in that they give the other side of the coin clearly and directly (and truthfully too). Nevertheless, the way they convey the message, well, they end up no better than their opposite.

    THe wise would understand and learn both sides of the coin and pick which one would benefit them better.

    Unfortunately not everyone is wise.

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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    October 29, 2008 at 12:01 am
    This is just riddled with stupid. Oh well.
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    aussieguy29 Male 18-29
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    October 29, 2008 at 12:10 am
    terrible attempt at a british accent
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    Zerocyde Male 18-29
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    October 29, 2008 at 12:34 am
    @opiebreath

    Don`t be so quick to judge. I buy it all the time because it`s cold as drat and there are more vending machines than super cold water fountains when I`m driving around.

    I could give a crap if its tap or not, I just want quick cold water. (though if I`m gonna pay that damn much for it it better at least be filtered lol)

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    Zerocyde Male 18-29
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    October 29, 2008 at 12:35 am
    Just click on the video, it takes you to the youtube page and you can watch parts 2 and 3 there.

    lol, if that comment helped you then I would like to welcome you to your first day on the internet. :P

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    steve2071 Male 18-29
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    October 29, 2008 at 12:35 am
    Truer words could not be spoken. Bravo, Penn and Teller. Molon Labe
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    Lionhart2 Male 40-49
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    October 29, 2008 at 12:48 am
    > StefanM
    > How do religion and the right to bear arms have anything to do with one another?

    Um... because Christianity forbids violence, tells one to turn the other cheek and accept more attack rather than fighting back? "He who lives by the sword, dies by the sword". Pleeease don`t quote Old Testament genocide commandments at me, I`m just answering the question.

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    Pabasa Male 18-29
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    October 29, 2008 at 12:57 am
    I`d just like to add:

    People who swallow what P&T said whole without processing the information and thinking about it, is no better off than the people who swallow what the government/media/etc said whole without processing the information and thinking about it.

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    Zerocyde Male 18-29
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    October 29, 2008 at 12:58 am
    @Lionhart2

    That`s not at all what he meant. To answer your question StefanM, seankerr001 meant that Anti Religion and Pro Gun are generally on two COMPLETELY opposite sides of politics.

    The right loves jesus and guns, the left usually hates guns and the majority of anti-religion people do usually polarize towards the left.

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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    October 29, 2008 at 1:14 am
    Criminals will always be able to get guns, The only thing gun control does is disarm the law abiding public. Why ? Because elitists want to take away your rights (Because you can`t be trusted with them) and that`s easier to do with a disarmed public.
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    jdjd5883 Male 18-29
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    October 29, 2008 at 1:28 am
    zombies. what then.
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    LoofahBoy Male 18-29
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    October 29, 2008 at 1:40 am
    "People who swallow what P&T said whole without processing the information and thinking about it, is no better off than the people who swallow what the government/media/etc said whole without processing the information and thinking about it."

    Sorry Pabasa, but the LAST thing I want you talking to me about is "swallowing".

    No offense though. :-D

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    LoofahBoy Male 18-29
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    October 29, 2008 at 1:43 am
    I wonder what kind of guns Jesus had?
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    The_Frogg Male 18-29
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    October 29, 2008 at 2:06 am
    i`m lefty and i hate jesus but i love guns.
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    Musuko42 Male 18-29
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    October 29, 2008 at 2:29 am
    Why do we keep having to hear the "criminals will always get guns" argument from gun supporters?

    Yes, it`s true, criminals will always get guns if they want them; but the number of criminals who succeed in getting guns will always be lower when they aren`t readily available and easily stolen.

    In a country like Britain, the only way to get a gun is through incredibly illegal means, involving smuggling and dealings usually far beyond the reach of your average petty thug.

    We simply don`t need guns because our criminals have a hard time getting them. And we don`t need guns to preserve our freedom because, shock horror, we have a functioning democracy.

    We have a murder rate that`s 1/3 of America`s per capita (which means it is adjusted for population difference between the countries, before some idiot tries that argument), so we must be doing something right, don`t you think?

    Source:

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    Musuko42 Male 18-29
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    October 29, 2008 at 2:31 am
    PS: Source for last post was Nationmaster. IAB edited out the link.
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    Musuko42 Male 18-29
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    October 29, 2008 at 2:41 am
    @Gamey91.

    "IMO, guns prevent crime because, who would rob a house of a gun owner?"

    Then why is there still crime in your country?

    How about you find me some figures that show that households with guns are less often victims of crime than households without guns?

    I had my motorcycle stolen from right outside my house in the middle of the night last year (annoyingly, one of the few times I didn`t have it safely locked away). I heard nothing and didn`t even wake up. Even if that bike were alarmed (my current one is, of course) and they`d set it off, by the time I`ve woken and leant out the window, they`d have had plenty of time to run/drive around the corner and out of sight.

    Tell me how a gun would have helped in this situation.

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    steve2071 Male 18-29
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    October 29, 2008 at 3:20 am
    A firearm probably wouldn`t have benefited you in that situation because there was no immediate threat to yourself or your family. Engaging a fleeing burglar over property would be condemning yourself to lots of wasted money on lawyers and possible time in the pokey.
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    B3N0C1D3 Male 18-29
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    October 29, 2008 at 3:38 am
    Yes, let us ban guns so people revert to the classic shanking to get the job done. Like a gun is some kind of demon that possesses the owner and eventually drives them to a manic state where they MUST shoot someone. But hey, I rather get stabbed thirty times or have my guts spilled on the floor before being shot.

    "None of us are as dumb as all of us."

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    Musuko42 Male 18-29
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    October 29, 2008 at 3:44 am
    @Steve2071.

    Exactly. So let`s break down the reasons why someone would want to own a gun:

    Preserve liberty; well, if you`ve been crap enough at maintaining your democracy that it`s got to that point, you deserve to lose it. Besides, if the evil powers have got the military on side, your gun won`t do squat anyway; they have machine guns and tanks. Best save your liberty with education and proper voting well before that point.

    Defend your property; As you`ve said, useless here.

    Defend your life; How often does a madman threaten your life? It`s never happened to me, or anyone I know. What about you? Is it worth keeping a dangerous tool around to defend against a very rare and unlikely occurance?

    For sport/hunting; That`s fine, I support gun use for sporting purposes. So why can`t the guns stay secured at the shooting range and sporting guns be carefully regulated to stop them being used for other purposes?

    To feel macho; Ah, well there it is; a safety blanket. A penis.

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    Musuko42 Male 18-29
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    October 29, 2008 at 3:46 am
    "Yes, let us ban guns so people revert to the classic shanking to get the job done."

    You can`t "shank" someone from ten metres away.

    You can outrun a man with a blade. You can`t outrun a bullet.

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    Lionhart2 Male 40-49
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    October 29, 2008 at 3:55 am
    > Musuko42
    > You can`t outrun a bullet

    Speak for yourself, slowpoke.

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    Musuko42 Male 18-29
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    October 29, 2008 at 4:00 am
    "Speak for yourself, slowpoke."

    XD

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    antagonizer Male 18-29
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    October 29, 2008 at 4:27 am
    Ban handguns = yes
    Ban Automatic rifles = yes
    Ban Shotguns = yes
    Ban Hunting rifles = no freaking way!!!

    The first three are only good for one thing, taking human life. A handgun is garbage for hunting, and you don`t need a rapid succession of bullets to take down a deer, considering you can get the job done with a bow and arrow.

    Now ask yourself...How many drive-by`s would there be if all the gangbangers could get were winchester rifles?

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    Painter13 Male 40-49
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    October 29, 2008 at 4:41 am
    Wow, love the gun owners who talk about invading armies. You mean like MS-13, (500,000 last count) the largest invasion by a foreign occupation in the history of the U.S. A drug dealing gun trafficking army of drug dealers destroying small towns all across the country, and what are the gun owners that are supposed to protect the U.S. from invaders doing? Hiding out and p#ssing their pants at the idea that they may be speaking spanish in ten years, and that their neighbor will turned into a haven for slavery and drugs. Gun owners are such scared puss#es.
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    Lauraly Female 18-29
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    October 29, 2008 at 4:46 am
    Antagonizer... a major point illustrated in the video is that gangbangers would still be able to get a hold of those "banned" weapons. All banning anything does is prevent law abiding citizens from being able to similarly outfit themselves. A gangbanger isn`t going to give a drat what the law says.. they already do whatever the hell they please.

    I think that it is important to have background checks for people interested in buying guns and a waiting period between when you decide to purchase and when you can actually take the weapon home. As far as the rest of it goes, I`m not sure. Before this video I`d have said that there needs to be relatively strict gun control laws, but this made a lot of good points (I watched parts 2 and 3 as well). Plus, the US is one of the most violent countries, but we don`t have the most guns so you can`t equate more guns to more violence.

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    Musuko42 Male 18-29
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    October 29, 2008 at 5:09 am
    "Speak for yourself, slowpoke."

    XD

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    Painter13 Male 40-49
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    October 29, 2008 at 5:10 am
    My point was satirical, not meant to be taken seriously, I was showing the hypocrisy of gun owners and their excuses. No one ever says I have guns because I like them. They always have some lame excuse like invading armies or government take-over, or drug dealers taking over their neighborhoods. It really doesn`t bother me if someone owns one, just stop with the stupid reasons why, and just tell the real reason gun owners own guns, they are afraid.
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    Lionhart2 Male 40-49
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    October 29, 2008 at 5:10 am
    Trigger Happy
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    Musuko42 Male 18-29
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    October 29, 2008 at 5:21 am
    "All banning anything does is prevent law abiding citizens from being able to similarly outfit themselves."

    That argument is old, and nobody who states it ever questions it. If the ban is properly implemented, criminals will start finding it near impossible to get guns too.

    Britain has strict gun laws, and it`s illegal to own a gun for personal defence. And yes, some of our criminals have guns...but here`s the kicker; only SOME. Our average criminals, the ones you`ll meet throughout your life, are not carrying guns. Only the hardcore criminals with money and means will get them, and then usually only to fight with other criminals.

    Only the scum resort to carrying lethal force for personal protection. Anyone with intelligence should be spending their time and money supporting a functioning police force and system of law.

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    Musuko42 Male 18-29
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    October 29, 2008 at 5:23 am
    My own thoughts? If you own guns for fun, great! They ARE fun. Just treat them like any other dangerous sport; keep it safe, keep it restricted, and don`t allow it to harm others.

    I mean, if my idea of fun and sport was to detonate explosives, you`d want me to do it under controlled conditions and not be carrying the explosives around with me or keeping it in my home next door to you, right?

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    Lauraly Female 18-29
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    October 29, 2008 at 5:39 am
    Musuko, I agree with you as far as it being more difficult for criminals to get guns if there are strict bans, however there will never be that strict of a ban in the US. It *is* a right written into our constitution. And, like you said, it isn`t impossible for criminals to get their hands on weapons.. it just won`t be as likely for your average street rat to have one. Plus, while guns don`t help the problem, they are not the sole reason for it`s existence. Canada has more guns than the US but far fewer violent crimes. That says something.
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    VikingGuy Male 18-29
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    October 29, 2008 at 5:42 am
    criminals get weapons off the black market that are illegally imported, go do some research and you´ll find that out rather quickly, legally purchased firearms are used in less than 1% of firearms related crimes.
    I´m not for gun control at all, it wouldnt do poo, period.
    Better education on guns in general would probably do a hell of alot more, make it more similar to germany where you need to prove you know what the hell your doing before they let you own one. Guns arent evil, people are, and banning guns wont stop people with the intent of violence from commiting that violence. To ban violence you have to ban humans, end of story.
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    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    October 29, 2008 at 6:18 am
    Replace the word guns with nukes.

    After all if you`re protecting yourself from Tyranny, as Crakrjak suggests, you`d need alot more than a Glock when the government has tanks.

    Every argument made in this thread still applies, the only difference is, nobody is stupid enough to suggest they`re still right when the damage goes up a notch.

    The difference is, with nukes you`re fairly sure it`d affect you. Guns are something you expect to happen to "somebody else", so it`s fine.

    Except, of course, it`s not.

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    jimspade Male 18-29
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    October 29, 2008 at 6:57 am
    "Gun violence is an epidemic that has a cure. With almost half of the guns illegally possessed or used in crimes in Connecticut traced to legal state purchases, part of that cure must be preventing guns that are bought legally from getting into the hands of criminals and other prohibited users."

    -taken from http://www.hartfordinfo.org/issues/docum...

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    jimspade Male 18-29
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    October 29, 2008 at 7:02 am
    http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/abstract/guic.htm

    ...give up you gun loving redneck fks. Its about time you evolve to enjoy things that don`t go `BOOM`.

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    jimspade Male 18-29
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    October 29, 2008 at 7:06 am
    `Gun enthusiasts often claim that there is no link between legal ownership of guns and gun crime - legal guns are legal, illegal guns are illegal and, according to them, never the twain shall meet.`

    - taken from http://www.gun-control-network.org/CO15....


    - taken from

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    jimspade Male 18-29
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    October 29, 2008 at 7:10 am
    `In 2005, 24% of the incidents of violent crime, a weapon was present.

    Offenders had or used a weapon in 48% of all robberies, compared with 22% of all aggravated assaults and 7% of all rapes/sexual assaults in 2005.

    Homicides are most often committed with guns, especially handguns. In 2005, 55% of homicides were committed with handguns, 16% with other guns, 14% with knives, 5% with blunt objects, and 11% with other weapons.`


    Taken from the U.S bureau of justice statistics.
    http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/cvict_c.htm

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    amaqdrinker Male 18-29
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    October 29, 2008 at 7:45 am
    first of all, i don`t think i would ever own a gun, but gun control is a silly concept. what we want is violence control and with or without guns there is going to be violence, not to mention the idea that gun control redistributes guns into the hands of criminals is completely true. that lady was out of her f*cking mind by the way.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    October 29, 2008 at 8:52 am
    I have guns because I like them.
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    madest Male 40-49
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    October 29, 2008 at 8:53 am
    i doubt gun control is realistic here in the USA but I know in european countries with gun control there`s no fear of walking the dangerous neighborhoods solo at night. it works elsewhere.
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    antagonizer Male 18-29
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    October 29, 2008 at 10:28 am
    Where do you think 99% these `blackmarket` guns come from?

    Try the closets and drawers of law abiding citizens.

    The old theory that only the criminals will have the guns doesn`t hold water.

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    Vanwa Female 13-17
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    October 29, 2008 at 10:37 am
    I don`t like guns at all. But I wouldn`t ban them outright. Frankly I`m too scared of the US gov.

    My roommate has a bipolar boyfriend who has tried to buy a gun a couple times now and can`t because he`s bipolar.

    Thank god for regulations >_>

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    iceman22 Male 18-29
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    October 29, 2008 at 10:50 am
    The day they come to take our guns is the day we have to make the most important choice of not just our live but the lives of every single person born after us. Are we citizens or subjects?
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    October 29, 2008 at 10:51 am
    "Where do you think 99% these `blackmarket` guns come from?
    Try the closets and drawers of law abiding citizens.
    The old theory that only the criminals will have the guns doesn`t hold water."

    And how does banning guns take illegal black market weapons out of circulation?

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    Vagrant86 Male 18-29
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    October 29, 2008 at 11:13 am
    sweetness
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    October 29, 2008 at 11:19 am
    Guns don`t kill people. Bullets kill people.
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    steve2071 Male 18-29
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    October 29, 2008 at 11:39 am
    @Musuko42

    Preserve liberty. As a citizen of the United States, the Constitution grants me the right to self-preservation. I`m not sure how it`s done in other countries, but here in America, we are allowed to defend ourselves against any hostile threats to our person or property. Whether it be our own .gov or another one.

    Defend property. It is absolutely fine to defend ones property with deadly force. However, once the threat to your property or person has gone (i.e. - he is running away) it is NOT okay to engage the aggressor with force. Which was the case with your motorcycle, I`m sorry to hear. Though I`m glad you`ve taken measures to avoid a repeat. If I had caught the perp on the way in, I would have ventilated him, no doubt.

    Defend your life. As you said, the firearm is a tool and if used properly, can save lives. If a madman confronts me with the intent to do harm, I can feel safer knowing I have this particular tool in my possession to help me end the threat to my life.

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    antagonizer Male 18-29
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    October 29, 2008 at 12:18 pm
    "And how does banning guns take illegal black market weapons out of circulation?"

    Well...if 99% of these black market guns are being appropriated from honest citizens by theft, sale, etc. , then making guns illegal will remove 99% of the guns from the streets. It only makes sense that the 1% of guns being imported will literally jump 1000X in price making them unattainable to the average criminal.

    What small time crook is going to be able to pay upwards of $10,000 for a .38? As for the big timers that can afford it...well that`s why we have cops.

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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    October 29, 2008 at 12:20 pm
    VV That would only make what people own legaly right now illegal and does nothing to get whats out there off the streets.
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    tomahawkjam Male 18-29
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    October 29, 2008 at 12:38 pm
    dont like guns, come to the uk just knives and sh*t over here, and the occasional meat cleaver blade attach to a baseball bat...
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    Tonyjet Male 18-29
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    October 29, 2008 at 12:55 pm
    am sorry but am all for guns... you cant sell to me that criminals are not going to be able to have access to weapons, its not possible, and youre fooling yourself if you think criminals are not going to get stuff, that it is forbidden to them, cuz thats the nature of a criminal

    i cant wait to buy my dessert eagle

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    StefanM Male 18-29
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    October 29, 2008 at 1:14 pm
    Whether you agree with it or not, the point of the 2nd amendment was to ensure that citizens had a means by which to protect themselves if and when the government became oppressive. Musuko42 commented:

    "if the evil powers have got the military on side, your gun won`t do squat anyway; they have machine guns and tanks."

    When America fought for its independence, they faced an overwhelming force especially in the naval department. But a bunch of farmers (you might call them rednecks nowadays) banded together and managed to fight them off (with some help from the French Navy), so your case is weak.

    "Best save your liberty with education and proper voting well before that point."

    I absolutely agree with you there. It should never have to come to a revolution, and I hope America never faces anything like that again. But suppose somewhere down the line, it comes to that. If the lawmakers have taken away regular folks` access to weapons, they`re screwed!

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    vegascartman Male 30-39
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    October 29, 2008 at 2:26 pm
    >>The old theory that only the criminals will have the guns doesn`t hold water.<<

    ABSOLUTELY NOT TRUE. In every single case where personal ownership of handguns was banned, crime skyrocketed because the black market continued to pump guns into the hands of criminals who knew that they faced little defence from law abiding citizens who couldn`t own them. England and Australia are perfect examples. They made guns illegal and violent crime statistics went through the roof. Australia is pondering lifting the ban now as a result because they have realized how bad of a decision it was. Just within 2 years of that ban, armed robberies alone went up over 70%. Banning guns is just idiotic on so many levels.

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    LazyMe484 Male 18-29
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    October 29, 2008 at 2:31 pm
    The entire concept is bogus, Penn and Teller are wrong - for once, and for the second time today I`m calling most of you fu`cking morons.
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    steve2071 Male 18-29
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    October 29, 2008 at 2:57 pm
    If people disagree with firearms, then don`t own them. That is their personal decision and choice. I have absolutely no problem with that. It is a free country here in America. But they have NO RIGHT to take away or limit mine. MYOB.
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    Musuko42 Male 18-29
    2850 posts
    October 30, 2008 at 7:18 am
    @steve2071

    We have a culture difference then. Britain`s law does not support you defending your property with lethal force.

    @Lauraly

    I agree; it`ll be very hard to have a successful ban in the US as things stand, as you already have too many guns out there.

    @VikingGuy

    Provide a source. Saying "do your research" is not a good enough reason to not show that you have done yours.

    And you`re right, the source of the violence is humanity, not the guns. But the guns make it easier for that violence to occur. How about we all carry nuclear bombs?

    @StefanM

    The gap between farmers with rifles and rifle-armed troops was not as great as Joe Public with a handgun against jets and bombs. If you want to keep your government`s military from oppressing you, make sure your soldiers are educated, standup citizens, and not high-school dropouts trained to mindlessly obey any order, no matter how unlawful or unconstitutional that order may be. Are you doing that, America?

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    Weiss Male 18-29
    42 posts
    October 31, 2008 at 7:13 pm
    These guys are totally biased...
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    MGUESTY Male 30-39
    75 posts
    November 1, 2008 at 9:11 pm
    Hey it isnt guns that are the problem.
    It`s people. I disarmed a drunk who threatened me with a knife in a public street one night ,but I was the one who got arrested and charged for assaulting him!
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    last_ninja Male 18-29
    610 posts
    November 1, 2008 at 11:32 pm
    damn communists! you can take my gun when i die defending the right to have it!

    don`t cars kill and hurt more people than guns? don`t stupid people hurt people regardless of whey use to do it? what`s next? are they going to take cars, knives, baseball bats, sticks, chairs, computers, laptops, or any of the other hundreds of everyday things that can hurt someone? on i-a-b a few days ago, there was a post about teens using a snowball to rob someplace. are we going to make SNOW illegal? when will these idiots realize that we need MORE guns rather than less?

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    Musuko42 Male 18-29
    2850 posts
    November 3, 2008 at 7:13 am
    @last_ninja

    America`s murder rate is three times that of Britain`s murder rate. Sure, I agree then; people kill, not guns.

    So let`s conclude from your murder rate that America`s population are too violent to be trusted with lethal weapons. Sure, we can`t ban snow, but it`s probably a good idea to make restrictions where we can.

    Otherwise, why don`t you just let everyone have atomic bombs in their garages and depleted-uranium munitions in SUV-mounted machine guns? I mean, if people are the cause of murders, you might as well shrug your shoulders, say you can`t do anything about it, and sell them some weapons, eh?

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    Musuko42 Male 18-29
    2850 posts
    November 3, 2008 at 7:15 am
    PS: It`s fewer guns, not less. At your age you should know the difference.
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