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Ron Paul `08
Hey, don`t knock me. Saying that my nipples are itchy is probably one of the fairest, most well thought out posts on this thread.
.. But, of course it`s Obama. He can do no wrong.
(Flashback Nazi Germany)
These kids barely know anything about politics, all this is doing is brainwashing them to abandon all else and think that politics is everything life is worth. I`m usually for bringing children to knowledge early, but this took it a bit too far.
Way to exaggerate.
Child abuse is a serious crime. Teaching kids to sing about a politician is not, and comparing the two is ignorant and irresponsible.
For example, many of the songs kids sing in elementary school choirs have lyrics and subjects that go over their heads.
With their parents supporting them? Unless they understand Keynesian Economics its their parents forcing them.
I doubt they understand the ins and outs of Obamas policy.
And no prime, not everybody agrees that it`s disgusting. Enough with this "I bet we can all agree with this" nonsence.
What IS disgusting is kids of conservative republican families being forced to hold up signs and wear shirts that say words of hate and disgusting thoughts like: "god hates fags" and "Obama = Osama"
Honestly! Know the difference between hatred spewing brainwashing, and kids singing for change and peace with their families supporting them.
We can all agree that little girl had a kick ass voice.
I`ve gotta agree with Laura on this one. If your kid can understand the intricacies of the economy, foreign relations, environmental issues, and state regulations enough to understand why they want one president over the other, then they should be doing something other than singing with their time.
But no, nowhere near abuse. Just... parenting, I suppose.
OH! Thats why people like Obama. ^^^
God bless the two party system!
Obama is probably beating on some poor defenseless mexican child in another room and the children are drowning out the screams!!!
I`m fine with this if the kids know the issues of both repubs and dems, but you know they don`t.-------------------------------------------------
I`ve got to agree with Fancy on this one. Obviously it is the parents job to guide their children into being respectable upstanding human beings, but you shouldn`t force your politics onto them. You need to present all sides so that your children can learn to make informed decisions. It`s ok to let them know your positions, but you have to also assure them that it is ok for them to challenge your views and to think for themselves. These kids are a bit young to have any strong opinions on the issues, but it doesn`t hurt to introduce them to it. I remember my parents talking to me about things like equality and war when I was that young. However, it is wrong to brainwash your children into following you, no questions asked.
Because he hasn`t stated how he`ll bring about this change giving me no hope is he gonna solve the energy crisis by shooting electricity from his a55 and just leave Iraq with the theory that they wont decend into anarcy.
But its a different world and somethings may be different. I think classically like Patton, the weapons, the politics, the reasons for War change, but War doesn`t, there are only those left alive and those left dead. So, needless to say, I don`t see this the entirety of this war all too differently from other wars.
But some do and they want something different. And as I just said, we`ll see what comes of it around November.
And with that, I need to get back to work. Its amazing how much time I can easily waste on this dang forum.
McCain has recently been doing the same thing too. But Obama has centered his ENTIRE campaign around it. People complain about the same old politicians and their lies. Most people don`t think Obama is that same old politician.
I think he is that same old politician. Only he masks it well with a silver tongue and the words Hope and Change to comfort people at night. Again, just my opinion. Don`t take it any farther than that.
Parents are Christians, kindergarten Christmas concerts = abuse
It`s the same idea really.
And its the beauty of opinions and this country. I don`t think Obama has the right plans for Iraq and you do. At least both of us have clearly made informed decisions, something I cannot say for many people I know.
Should be an interesting run to November. We`ll wait and see what happens in this area of the world after someone is voted new President come Super Tuesday.
Well look at me now with egg on my face. I was wrong and Bush refused to change strategy, something I didn`t account for. Would Kerry have done better, I don`t think so but that`s beside the point.
I can say I would have been mistaken in voting for him in 2004 because he refused to change military policy and his incompetence in economic policy. If I could have voted I would have voted 3rd party, because I did not like Kerry`s stances on many issues.
Was Bush the worst President in history? No. But he has been pretty bad. And I can freely admit that despite how I "may" have voted in the past.
I like that he looks into the future and not just shorterm what will work because bottom line... we are still in Iraq. Do you understand how I look at this as well? I definitely understand your point of view I just disagree that it ultimately shows he will always have bad judgment on our current situation.
The political and economic worries are a virtual labyrinth, bogged down in politics and lobbyists on both sides of the political spectrum. Waiting for that solution will take much much longer than a well-thought our military solution. It was true in post-war Germany and Japan and Iraq is nearing the same kind of level as those two countries.
I have no faith in Obama or McCain being able to clean up the muck that is bogging down political and economic routes to cleaning Iraq, because neither of the mention any solutions. So I then pick who can do the best job via the military, and McCain is the clear-cut choice.
I support the man who realizes we got ourselves into this war, and the policy was wrong. So instead of claiming we outright failed, we changed our strategy and policy and right the ship. That is something a Commander in Chief MUST be willing and able to do. And I just don`t think Obama can.
We should somehow be encouraging trade and capitalism there to give people a reason to want democracy. We`re going about this the wrong way and most likely anything that involves more of what we`ve been doing is something he is against and that is how I`ve understood it.
I believe he did not support the Surge because it would hurt his political aspirations. He knew his original non-support of the War was a HUGE ace in his hand and he couldn`t give it up. A lot of the public might see supporting the Surge a backtrack for Obama, and they might lose faith something he could absolutely not afford.
McCain on the other hand did support this War from the beginning, a relatively bad call. But upon seeing the progress he demanded a reform in military operations, something neither side wanted to hear. That was an unpopular decision, but turned out to be the right one, and our military policy still needs reform in Iraq, something McCain is better suited to do.
So looking into this deeper, we see good judgment and lapses in judgment on the same topic but at different times.
Bottem line, is it harming anyone? No.
I credit Obama for taking the unpopular decision to vote against the War. But I severely discredit him in his actions after we were in the War. Regardless of whether we should be there or not, we fell into a war. And Congress has a big say in what goes on.
Judgment goes against Obama because he was not making good militaristic decisions once we were in and committed to Iraq. He voted against the surge and said it would fail. The Surge, to any student of the military, was the correct decision to better our position in the war and has been a pleasant success. The Surge has helped the Iraqi citizens and our troops immensely.
So why did Obama vote against it? On the surface it shows his judgment is not so keen. But I think there is something a bit more sinister down deep. And I`ll continue in a second post.
Either way, children singing a song about a political candidate is disturbing. The extent to which this guy has brainwashed this country is downright frightening. There`s a version of this on you tube intercut with footage of children singing about Kim Jong Ill. The similarities are striking.
Abuse? No, they just force the kids to do this. Like when you had to do a school play, and you would fail if you didn`t, or you got lucky because your parents got you out of it by playing the religion card.
Pep rallies that are like looking into a world of over-prozacked teenagers on a constant sugar high, the kindergarten sing-a-longs where one girl is always crying BECAUSE SHE DOESN`T WANT TO BE THERE BUT THE PARENTS THINK IT`S CUTE...
No one`s taking it seriously anymore, really. All I need is a ballot and an informed person who has no bias to explain the whole procedure and inform me on what props do what.
But there isn`t one, is there? No, there`s only all of this runaround and mudslinging and media crap.
And people wonder why I don`t want to involve myself in politics.
Getting everyone involved in what is going on in the government is wonderful because it puts pressure on Washington. To get people this excited about politics and our country means so much.
1. Zachary Taylor, 1849-18502. Abraham Lincoln, 1861-18653. Ulysses S. Grant, 1869-18774. Chester A. Arthur, 1881-18855. Grover Cleveland, 1885-1889; 1893-18976. Theodore Roosevelt, 1901-19097. William Howard Taft, 1909-19138. Woodrow Wilson, 1913-19219. Calvin Coolidge, 1923-192910. Herbert Hoover, 1929-193311. Dwight D. Eisenhower, 1953-196112. Jimmy Carter, 1977-198113. Ronald Reagan, 1981-198914. Bill Clinton, 1993-200115. George W. Bush, 2001-present
The previous presidents are the only people that have "experience" running the US. Everyone else is classified as inexperienced.
What does correlate to what makes a good president? Judgment. I absolutely have confidence in Obama`s judgment because time and time again he has proven himself to me that he has taken the right stance on issues that matter. One of the only people in the Senate who was strongly against the war in Iraq? That just says so much in that one example alone.
Hell, Joe Biden explained policies more than Obama ever has in one debate. I think that is showing a serious problem from the Obama camp that some people may not want to see. Obama very well may be just a puppet for the Democrats if he gets into office. But hey, as long as it isn`t Bush, who the hell cares. Ugh...
I`m fine with this if the kids know the issues of both repubs and dems, but you know they don`t.
that said, this seems to have taken place in venice, ca so this doesn`t shock me at all.
Oh man this is a little creepy but I mean kids singing songs about our country at some pageant have the same kind of feel. They`re not singing anything controversial, its just about loving your country and having hope that someone is going to bring about a change.
I know they couldn`t come to these conclusions on their own but at least what they`re singing about is a really positive message. I agree though, its kind of creepy lol.
The `Yes We Can` song is much better.
Obama uses kids in commericals, and Mccain uses lies.