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184 Responses to Newborn Baby Named Sarah McCain Palin

  1. Profile photo of fancylad
    fancylad Male 30-39
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    October 14, 2008 at 2:31 pm
    Link: Newborn Baby Named Sarah McCain Palin - A new dad secretly named his baby girl Sarah McCain Palin after the Republican ticket for president and vice president.
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    PinkAndGreen Female 13-17
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    October 14, 2008 at 2:51 pm
    I would hate to grow up and know that my dad used me as a contribution for politic..
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    Sillii Female 13-17
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    October 14, 2008 at 2:51 pm
    It`s like she`s apart of history in the making.

    ...That is, if McCain wins.
    If he doesn`t... that poor, poor girl.
    Even if nobody will know the name by the time the kids her age will understand the election.

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    sugarhyped Female 18-29
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    October 14, 2008 at 2:52 pm
    What an non-nice individual. I would hate to be his wife.
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    ilovetristan Female 18-29
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    October 14, 2008 at 2:54 pm
    That guy is a jerk.
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    sup_weenie Female 18-29
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    October 14, 2008 at 2:54 pm
    Why?

    Divorce him.

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    letsgopoping Male 18-29
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    October 14, 2008 at 2:54 pm
    great future ahead of her.. =)
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    Falcore Male 18-29
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    October 14, 2008 at 2:56 pm
    That man deserves to burn in hell
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    Mouichi Male 18-29
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    October 14, 2008 at 2:56 pm
    It`d be ironic if she becomes a hardcore Democrat...
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    d3xy Female 18-29
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    October 14, 2008 at 2:57 pm
    I would be so mad.
    What a jerk.
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    abcdxyz Male 18-29
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    October 14, 2008 at 2:58 pm
    great future ahead of her.. =)


    you said. right now i think mccain is the better choice(although i dont care for either) but i would never do that no matter how exited i was for someone. i do knokw a girl(in her 20`s) whose name is Sarah Palin, not a name change or anything

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    JAyZn Male 18-29
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    October 14, 2008 at 3:03 pm
    I support McCain and all... but this is a bit overboard.
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    hawkeye52 Male 13-17
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    October 14, 2008 at 3:04 pm
    Thanks Dad, did I ever tell you how much I love you. I love you so much, that when I`m of age, you`ll go straight in the nursing home so you can get the best treatment.
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    riley-morris Male 18-29
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    October 14, 2008 at 3:06 pm
    that man`s wife is going to destroy him... every time she goes to call her daughter she will be reminded of what an douchebag her husband is
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    MJisRAD Female 13-17
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    October 14, 2008 at 3:08 pm
    wow.

    what a poor kid.

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    Dr4k Male 18-29
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    October 14, 2008 at 3:08 pm
    What a flockhead that guy is. His wife is going to murder him. I`ll bet she becomes bisexual gets abortions and becomes a hardcore liberal democrat.
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    Philomath Male 18-29
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    October 14, 2008 at 3:11 pm
    My wife works on with postpartum women and their babies. A lot of people choose some pretty bat-poo-crazy names. This is rather douchebaggey, but far from the worst name to bestow on an innocent child ("Phuc" perhaps?). At least the name will eventually become normalized.
  18. Profile photo of davymid
    davymid Male 30-39
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    October 14, 2008 at 3:15 pm
    This only further confirms my belief that there should be some kind of basic test anyone should have to pass before they`re allowed to become a parent.

    You know, get asked some basic questions, see how you respond. Failure would mean no are not qualified to raise other human beings. I see it going down something like this:

    Interviewer: What would you name your child?
    Potential Parent: Ummm..... I know! Sarah McCain Palin!
    Interviewer: Sorry, your application has been rejected. NURSE! BRING THE WIRE CLIPPERS!

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    rdco49 Female 18-29
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    October 14, 2008 at 3:20 pm
    He took one for the cause??? Him???
    Looks like it was that poor child that took one for the team...
    A follow up NEEDS to be posted with the wife`s reaction, that has potential to be epic.
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    MarthFador Female 18-29
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    October 14, 2008 at 3:22 pm
    Palin is a horrible woman...She would be the one reason I wouldn`t vote for McCain. (If I could vote, of course. Damn, the election is only four months before my birthday!)
    Anyhow...Is Nader running again? Doesn`t he run every time?
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    passerby Female 18-29
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    October 14, 2008 at 3:26 pm
    You guys have something like deed poll in the US (where you can legally change your name), right?
  22. Profile photo of AahNold
    AahNold Male 30-39
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    October 14, 2008 at 3:30 pm
    "Palin is a horrible woman...She would be the one reason I wouldn`t vote for McCain."

    Do you personally know Palin? What exactly makes her "horrible"? You`ve been watching too much liberally biased tv.

    It`s a good thing uneducated children are not allowed to vote.

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    hehehenerd Male 13-17
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    October 14, 2008 at 3:32 pm
    Poor baby :/
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    bwahbwah Male 13-17
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    October 14, 2008 at 3:37 pm
    NADER 08!
  25. Profile photo of MarthFador
    MarthFador Female 18-29
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    October 14, 2008 at 3:42 pm
    "Do you personally know Palin? What exactly makes her "horrible"?"

    Besides the fact that she kills many animals and flaunts around her retarded child like a trophy? "Hey, look at me! Look at my kids! Pity me and vote for McCain because Obama obviously doesn`t know the problems I`ve delt with!"
    It`s a good thing condescending old farts will die before I do.

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    MarthFador Female 18-29
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    October 14, 2008 at 3:44 pm
    That and I don`t agree with most of her views, that`s why I wouldn`t really want her to win with McCain.
    But she also just strikes me as a bad character, no matter what news I`m watching/reading/listening to.
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    patthebaker Male 18-29
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    October 14, 2008 at 3:45 pm
    FAIL!!!
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    silverfyre Female 18-29
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    October 14, 2008 at 3:45 pm
    HAHA. sucks to be that girl. Surely someone will take pity and change that kids name...right?

    What does the MOTHER have to say about this? oh right. shes in the kitchen. *facepalm*

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    grassclip Male 18-29
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    October 14, 2008 at 3:47 pm
    I like how the father needs to "convince" the mom that he named her that. the mom would need consoling not convincing..
  30. Profile photo of AahNold
    AahNold Male 30-39
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    October 14, 2008 at 3:49 pm
    marthfador,

    You sound like an idiot, she kills many animals, does she walk around with a machine gun in the forrest killing many animals? I`ve been paying pretty close attention and haven`t seen her flaunting her child like a trophy.

    Wait till you actually get a job and see how much money democrats want to take from you and give to other people who don`t work for it. Its called redistribution of wealth(communism), it is a cornerstone concept of the democratic party. You can give them all your money if you like but I would rather keep mine, I work hard for it.

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    ElDavo Male 18-29
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    October 14, 2008 at 3:51 pm
    What a douchebag... and how does it help gain support for the McCain/Palin campaign? I`m not more likely to vote for them now.
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    alice_x Female 18-29
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    October 14, 2008 at 4:03 pm
    oh...why :(
  33. Profile photo of Smashking
    Smashking Male 18-29
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    October 14, 2008 at 4:04 pm
    And watch Obama wins in a landslide victory. Mother`s not going to be much happier than she could possibly be now.
  34. Profile photo of Earlyman
    Earlyman Male 30-39
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    October 14, 2008 at 4:04 pm
    One word [email protected]!!! Ahh... I feel better now.
  35. Profile photo of Chibi_Ichigo
    Chibi_Ichigo Female 18-29
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    October 14, 2008 at 4:04 pm
    That`s an auto-divorce right there XD
  36. Profile photo of yellowsquare
    yellowsquare Female 18-29
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    October 14, 2008 at 4:12 pm
    "Wait till you actually get a job and see how much money democrats want to take from you and give to other people who don`t work for it. Its called redistribution of wealth(communism), it is a cornerstone concept of the democratic party. You can give them all your money if you like but I would rather keep mine, I work hard for it."

    No. It`s called taxing the rich to fund essential government programs such as Social Security, and education.

    Jesus, people complain about paying taxes, but when you see what good things come out of it, I can`t understand why you complain. Wanting to have your cake and eat it, too.

    ...And yes. I do pay taxes. A lot of them.

  37. Profile photo of primetimekin
    primetimekin Male 18-29
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    October 14, 2008 at 4:15 pm
    "No. It`s called taxing the rich to fund essential government programs such as Social Security, and education."

    Dont put essential alongside social security.

    And when the top 5% control 80% of the job market.... I`d rather we give them the tax cuts and they can use it to expand their business... thus hire more people

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    peloos12 Male 18-29
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    October 14, 2008 at 4:16 pm
    Robert Kemp Dole sends his condolences.
  39. Profile photo of AahNold
    AahNold Male 30-39
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    October 14, 2008 at 4:20 pm
    No, it is communism. I can appreciate certain taxes that fund schools and SS but there plenty of other taxes that are just BS. Key word MY CAKE, I don`t want to give a piece of it to people who have more children just to suck more money from our system or to people who are too lazy to go out and work for a living, but you can give them your money if you like.
  40. Profile photo of AahNold
    AahNold Male 30-39
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    October 14, 2008 at 4:21 pm
    I like primetimekin`s idea, make people work for it rather than handing it to them.
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    October 14, 2008 at 4:33 pm
    Aahnold, you`re taking the (moderate left) ideology of the Democrats, Democracy, and pushing it out to the extreme left wing of communism. That`s utter lies and bollocks.

    That`s no different from me taking your view (I presume) of moderate right-wing Republicanism and labelling you a ultra-right wing fascist/Nazi/KKK.

    Stop with the mudslinging, and putting words in other people`s mouths. Obamas obviously gonna win anyway (not my opinion, just following the polls), so why keep bitching? Just get used to it, and stop calling your future administration a Communist State... It doesn`t become a patriotic American like yourself.

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    Keegan31 Male 18-29
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    October 14, 2008 at 4:34 pm
    Regardless of political views, it is utterly tasteless to saddle a child with a name like that. To turn your child into a billboard is a dehumanizing thing. He could have named his dog Sarah McCain Palin, rather than treating his child like an object rather than a person. Is his child no more than yet another sign on his lawn?

    I`m horrified to think of how that poor girl will be raised by a man who obviously is not concerned with how she will one day feel about this name.

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    yellowsquare Female 18-29
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    October 14, 2008 at 4:43 pm
    "Obamas obviously gonna win anyway (not my opinion, just following the polls), "

    davymid, nothing`s certain. Lots of stuff can happen in three weeks.

    And prime, it`s a nice ideology, but how often does that actually work? Those 5% can take a bigger chunk out of their paycheck for all I care.

    Think of it this way. Bill Gates gives another $200,000 per year in taxes. Not Microsoft, just Bill Gates himself. Is he really going to be hurting that bad to cut jobs in Microsoft so that HIS paycheck will compensate for that $200,000? I don`t think so. Billy Boy probably won`t even notice the tax increase.

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    Kaizer250 Male 18-29
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    October 14, 2008 at 4:45 pm
    This is going to be really awkward for her when, in ten years, John McCain`s dead, and Sarah Palin has slipped into the realm of obscurity which is Alaskan history.
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    yellowsquare Female 18-29
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    October 14, 2008 at 4:47 pm
    And about the actual post, what a violation of trust! Aside from the fact that the name is ridiculous, the man changed the name without even consulting his wife and gave their marital trust a big "f*ck you".

    I would be extremely hurt if I were his wife.

  46. Profile photo of almightybob1
    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    October 14, 2008 at 5:28 pm
    `he named his third child after John McCain and Sarah Palin to “to get the word out” about the campaign`

    In case people haven`t heard about the election?
    "Sarah McCain Palin? Who are they? What`s a President?"


    What a moron.

  47. Profile photo of AahNold
    AahNold Male 30-39
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    October 14, 2008 at 5:31 pm
    Davymid,

    I think it going a bit far calling me a nazi/fascist/KKK, just because I don`t want to spread my butt cheeks and let government steal from me.

    If you watched the debates, Obama specifically talked about redistribution of wealth. (communism)

    I would not expect someone from anywhere in Europe to be an expert on American politics so I will take everything you say with a grain of salt.

    You know nothing of my patriotism, I served my country in the millitary when I was younger.

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    geek_nimrod Female 18-29
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    October 14, 2008 at 5:35 pm
    Poor kid. I feel so, so sorry for her.
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    Jezuzfreak40 Male 13-17
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    October 14, 2008 at 5:36 pm
    100$ says she`ll be a democrat
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    YuliasAcups Female 18-29
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    October 14, 2008 at 5:47 pm
    Someone else changing their name the moment they turn 18.
  51. Profile photo of almightybob1
    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    October 14, 2008 at 5:51 pm
    "I think it going a bit far calling me a nazi/fascist/KKK"

    Exactly his point about your view that redistribution of wealth = communism. It`s a huge leap from one to the other. A government without taxes cannot function, wealth must always be redistributed.

    "I would not expect someone from anywhere in Europe to be an expert on American politics so I will take everything you say with a grain of salt."

    I suspect davymid knows a lot more about American politics than you do about European politics. It`s not exactly hard to grasp anyway, there`s only 2 parties to learn about. Simple, so that even most Americans can understand it ;)

  52. Profile photo of opiebreath
    opiebreath Female 18-29
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    October 14, 2008 at 5:55 pm
    Well it`s not very secret anymore, now is it?
  53. Profile photo of almightybob1
    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    October 14, 2008 at 6:02 pm
    Ssshhhhh opie!! You`ll give it away!
  54. Profile photo of elkingo
    elkingo Male 30-39
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    October 14, 2008 at 6:13 pm
    davymid, so it goes like this politically? Communists, Liberals, Socialists, Democrats, Independents, Republicans, Conservatives, Fascists, Nazis?... in that order huh?
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    urbanlegend Male 18-29
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    October 14, 2008 at 6:20 pm
    she`s going to grow up a loser
  56. Profile photo of AahNold
    AahNold Male 30-39
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    October 14, 2008 at 6:22 pm
    Almightyboob1,

    I don`t give a f*ck about european politics, I completely understand the need for taxes and don`t really disagree with them, its just how induviduals are taxed, for example if I got a raise that put me in the next tax bracket I would actually take home less than someone making less money than me. So why would I want to work harder to make less money?

    Saying I`m KKK or NAZI implies that I am a racist, it has nothing to do with politics. Communism is a form of government that redistributes wealth. You can shine, polish and change the name of a piece of poop but in the end it is still a piece of poop. Just like the democratic party.

    And by the way, there are more than 2 political parties in this country, we just make you think there are only 2 to make it easier for europeans to understand ;)

  57. Profile photo of elkingo
    elkingo Male 30-39
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    October 14, 2008 at 6:30 pm
    AahNold, it isn`t about paying taxes, its about how the government collects them. I agree with you, you are just wording it wrong. Everyone in America knows that we have to pay tax, its that we disagree with who should pay what % of tax. I think the less we tax big earners, the more jobs they will create, Reaganeconomics at its core. Democrats, want to spend it for us, and decide who pays for it. Lately, it has been compared to socialism, which is the polite way of saying communism. (Something by the way we have laws against, and have fought against since the cold war.) Socialistic health care like Obama is wanting will hurt our economy, in my opinion.
  58. Profile photo of AahNold
    AahNold Male 30-39
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    October 14, 2008 at 6:32 pm
    I agree elkingo, you just said it better than me.
  59. Profile photo of elkingo
    elkingo Male 30-39
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    October 14, 2008 at 6:35 pm
    oh, and someone said 200,000 to Bill Gates.. understand he pays 35% in taxes, which translates to quite a bit of money. 1% of that would be 3 dollars a secound.. roughly and depending on microsoft`s stocks, which is about 90,000,000 a year. So to say he wouldn`t do much with a tax break is silly.. (not sure how correct those numbers are, pulled them off the net, but they seem normal, considering his net worth is like 56 Billion.
  60. Profile photo of elkingo
    elkingo Male 30-39
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    October 14, 2008 at 6:37 pm
    Also note, AahNold may be correct in saying he will pay more, and thus earn less take home if he gets a raise.. example: at 32,000 a year you get taxed 15%, at 33,000 a year you get taxed 25%... bull poo isn`t it?
  61. Profile photo of elkingo
    elkingo Male 30-39
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    October 14, 2008 at 6:47 pm
    ah, another nice bit of info for you guys to chew on.. the highest tax bracket went from 32% in 1992, to 35% for 08, and you thought your taxes where "unfair." But, hey, in Bush`s reign that 35% has dropped 4.6%, also note, Clinton raised taxes on the rich 7.6% in his term. You guys who don`t know much about economics really need to think about how much money we are talking about here. Even if you are rich, that much of a hike, really isn`t fair. Imagine if YOUR taxes went up 7.6%
  62. Profile photo of AahNold
    AahNold Male 30-39
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    October 14, 2008 at 6:49 pm
    That`s what I`ve been trying to point out, democrats= more taxes(bend over and spread em), republican = less taxes.
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    Narikotsu Female 13-17
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    October 14, 2008 at 6:53 pm
    What a bastard.
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    tamitha Female 13-17
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    October 14, 2008 at 7:00 pm
    wow. this guy is such an idiot, to show his views in the name of his innocent child. what`s going to happen to that child if, by goodness, those two are in office and they screw up our nation?
    that poor kid is going to be tormented.

    i hate people like this.

  65. Profile photo of almightybob1
    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    October 14, 2008 at 7:09 pm
    "in Bush`s reign that 35% has dropped 4.6%, also note, Clinton raised taxes on the rich 7.6% in his term"

    And Clinton presided over the largest peace-time financial growth in American history, whereas Bush has presided over the greatest deficit in recent history which has precipitated the current global economic depression. I can cite sources if you want.

  66. Profile photo of starrstreet
    starrstreet Female 18-29
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    October 14, 2008 at 7:18 pm
    The same way you guys are saying that if you give tax breaks to wealthier people to create jobs couldn`t you with similar reasoning say that if you gave more tax breaks to middle class and lower income families that they will spend all the money in the market? Which can create more wealth for big companies also creating new jobs?

    I mean if you give the tax breaks to the lower classes they have no where else to spend their extra money but things like relatively inexpensive luxury items.

    They`re not buying mansions, tennis courts, jets, ect. but cars, travel, electronics and services which probably make up a bigger part of the economy.

    Giving tax cuts to the wealthy doesn`t guarantee that they will be making new jobs because greed comes into play far more. I`m not saying every wealthy person is greedy, but maybe enough are to cause the economy to hurt.

    It isn`t good having a business that many people do not want to buy your product because they don`t have that extra money, rig

  67. Profile photo of Eichenkatze
    Eichenkatze Male 18-29
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    October 14, 2008 at 7:21 pm
    To be Honest and fair
    "Sarah McCain Palin" is actually a pretty good little name if ever I heard one. The syllables are right and they fit together. Unlike Kal-el Cage (Nicholas Cage`s Son) or Moxie CrimeFighter Jillette (Penn / Emily Jillette`s daughter)

    As for political reasons.. I understand the Chinese are big on this... naming their children after famous events and people (if you dig you`ll find a report somewhere that shows the statistics of how many Chinese children were named "Beijing Olympics 2008" I kid you not..)
    But here in the West? COME ON!
    Be original. Just because you like John McCain and Sarah Palin now.. if they get into office and screw the country.. you`ll be sorry when you hate them.. and 20 years down the road... you will look back and think "wow.. what compelled me to name my child after famous politicians I liked at the time? Why would I burden them with my interests by naming them after them, so forever they will be haunted..

  68. Profile photo of elkingo
    elkingo Male 30-39
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    October 14, 2008 at 7:23 pm
    No need bob, because the fact is, that economics are delayed by about 7 years, and also under Bush we faced 9-11.. you know, where our economy was gone for about 6 months. Hey, you know we (US citizens) are living in Clinton-economics right now. From about 09 to 2016 we will be living in Bush-economics. Just keep that in mind. Clinton rode the coat-tail of Reagan, although he only got to see about 4 years of it.
  69. Profile photo of starrstreet
    starrstreet Female 18-29
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    October 14, 2008 at 7:24 pm
    Taxes are a good thing by the way! When they`re not hurting your livelihood they`re an excellent thing!

    I live on Long Island, one of the places to live with the highest taxes but you guys wouldn`t believe the schools here! They`re incredible and I know because I haven`t always lived here. I went to a private school in the city that cost a fortune but it was nothing compared to what my senior year was like when I moved here.

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    starrstreet Female 18-29
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    October 14, 2008 at 7:31 pm
    What proof is there that we`re in the Clinton years now and the next 8 years it will be the effects of the Bush term?

    It sounds a little too convenient, if you know what I mean?

  71. Profile photo of elkingo
    elkingo Male 30-39
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    October 14, 2008 at 7:31 pm
    I suppose next you would like to dive back another generation of Presidents to point out that Reagan left office with a major recession? Well, Carter was behind him, who suffered through a oil crisis.. remember that? Carter`s economic plan was horrible.
    U.S. economics take time to come into effect. its not like a tax break or increase is going to make a change that year. It takes years of planning for these plans to do anything.

  72. Profile photo of elkingo
    elkingo Male 30-39
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    October 14, 2008 at 7:32 pm
    starrstreet, I don`t feel like educating you in economics; if you don`t know much about it, please refrain from flaming me on this one.. I know you don`t care for me much anyway.
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    risingflamez Female 13-17
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    October 14, 2008 at 7:33 pm
    well, that`s quite an unfortunate name...
  74. Profile photo of starrstreet
    starrstreet Female 18-29
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    October 14, 2008 at 7:36 pm
    Why would you assume that I don`t know much about economics? I was asking questions to specific things you are saying. I`m not starting a flame war and for you to just brush me off like that was out of line.
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    October 14, 2008 at 7:49 pm
    What-the-f*ck-ever. We`re all f*cked. Later, I`m off to have a good time while I still can...

    http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=etaS4ZUs1OY

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    orionsbelt Male 18-29
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    October 14, 2008 at 7:49 pm

  77. Profile photo of elkingo
    elkingo Male 30-39
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    October 14, 2008 at 7:49 pm
    If I have offended you I am sorry, but if you don`t understand that it takes years for economics to come into play, I don`t want to talk about it with you. I don`t want to prove that a tax break in 07 doesn`t really effect 08. The overall economic plan of any president taking place in his first term? I mean c`mon its not feasible. Maybe in his last 2 years if he serves an 8 year term, and you have to also factor in global events, like the "global econmic crisis of 08" the oil crisis in the 70`s and 80`s.. along with things like 9-11 were our economy was gone. I don`t mean to offend, but that comment about me proving these concepts is uninformed to say the least.
  78. Profile photo of starrstreet
    starrstreet Female 18-29
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    October 14, 2008 at 7:51 pm
    No, I never meant that I didn`t understand that economic effects don`t just happen over night, absolutely I understand that. The time frame you are talking about is what I was questioning, the 8 years.
  79. Profile photo of davymid
    davymid Male 30-39
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    October 14, 2008 at 7:53 pm
    vv "I don`t give a f*ck about european politics"

    Aahnold, you go, girl! America can go it alone right? Who gives a f*ck about all the others?

    USA!USA!USA!USA!

    Dick.

  80. Profile photo of draquoir
    draquoir Male 18-29
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    October 14, 2008 at 7:54 pm
    when obama wins, this kid will be one unhappy camper
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    orionsbelt Male 18-29
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    October 14, 2008 at 7:56 pm
    elkingo is living proof...


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    October 14, 2008 at 7:57 pm

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    October 14, 2008 at 7:58 pm
    Ok, without looking up anything, lets run through a scenario. If I was a large business man, who just got 1.5 million is a tax break, and I decide,"hey, I`d like to invest this, and make even more money, because I am rich and greedy." I build a factory/officebuilding/whatever. Construction on it takes around 2-3 years, and an extra .5 to 1 year to hire employees. Oh, I forgot, I am a rich greedy twat. I also wait another year before spending it.. because if I wait until Jan. to spend it, I don`t get taxed on my equity, or property tax. Which saves me quite a bit. so that is anywhere from 4 to 6 years. Also, tax plans don`t take effect for about 1 year.. that makes it around 5-6 years.
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    orionsbelt, you only prove what I say, in graph form.
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    October 14, 2008 at 8:00 pm
    davymid, American`s that say that embarrass me. Most here don`t know much about what is going on in other countries and don`t even CARE. That`s the saddest part, they think that we`re the only country that matters! HA, guess what everyone, it is called the GLOBAL economy and like it or not we have to work together far more than ever before.
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    October 14, 2008 at 8:01 pm
    you have sources for any of ur stuff elkingo?
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    October 14, 2008 at 8:03 pm
    Note, in orion`s graph the oil crisis in the 70`s under Carter, and how Carter`s economics come in to play under Reagan, who also had an oil crisis. (global oil crisis btw. Then note, how Clinton comes into power and rides in on the coat tail of Reagan economics, attribute the last 2 years on Clinton to Clinton economics, and then note how Bush rides Clinton Economics, and hits a global econimc crisis in his last two years.. can you also spot 9-11? Thanks a bunch Orion!
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    October 14, 2008 at 8:04 pm
    If it is about 5-6 years then why don`t we see a change starting in Bush`s term?
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    October 14, 2008 at 8:07 pm
    "Aahnold, you go, girl! America can go it alone right? Who gives a f*ck about all the others?

    USA!USA!USA!USA!"

    Dick.

    Aww... poor davymid, you gettin butt hurt? Poor baby, resorting to name calling. WAAAA WAAAA WAAAA

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    oh god... it`s my hometown...
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    October 14, 2008 at 8:08 pm
    links eh.. sure. one sec.

    Oil Crisis of 1973


    Need more?

    Oil Crisis in 19799-11economic crisis of 08econimic crisis of 08 again

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    October 14, 2008 at 8:09 pm
    I seriously don`t know what happened with those links.. lol

    Google this crap for yourself!

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    October 14, 2008 at 8:10 pm
    "If it is about 5-6 years then why don`t we see a change starting in Bush`s term?"

    Global Economic Crisis of 08

    Google it.

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    October 14, 2008 at 8:11 pm
    AahNold, he was right though and putting it any other way would`ve have given what he was trying to say justice. You were being extremely selfish, close minded, and what the general perception of America is. As an American, I am embarrassed that you said that.
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    October 14, 2008 at 8:11 pm
    I was talking about Bush Sr...
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    October 14, 2008 at 8:12 pm
    Bush Sr. served 4 years, putting the time when Clinton went into office the time that Reagan economics start to come into play.
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    October 14, 2008 at 8:14 pm
    *note that nice graph orion provided us.*
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    October 14, 2008 at 8:15 pm
    Starstreet,

    are you drunk typing? Quit sucking davymid`s penis

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    October 14, 2008 at 8:17 pm
    in particular, look at the last 2 years of Clinton`s term on orion`s graph.. do you note the dramatic fall?
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    October 14, 2008 at 8:18 pm
    Since Reagen got into office it took 12ish years to start seeing the effects of his policy? Didn`t congress which was controlled by democrats at the time try to pass tax policies which Bush Sr. signed which attributed to growth? Also, Bill Clinton did a lot to cut funding welfare which I think we saw the effects of in his years.

    Aren`t there too many factors to generalize like you are doing?

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    October 14, 2008 at 8:20 pm
    but according to you elkingo...the fall wasn`t clinton`s fault since it would be the president`s economic policy before him...
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    October 14, 2008 at 8:21 pm
    You`re reading the graph wrong, the fall started in 2000, not in 1998.
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    October 14, 2008 at 8:23 pm
    No.. look on the graph. Reagan economics take place from 1990, to 1998. War in Iraq, fall in deficit. Huge gains from 1993 to 2001. 1999 through 2000 Bush Sr`s plan. (remember less dramatic for a 4 year president) Then from 2001 to 2007 Clinton economics.. 2008 Major world economic crisis.. I mean you can actually follow that on Orion`s graph.
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    October 14, 2008 at 8:24 pm
    Anytime someone even mentions a politician the debates inevitably ensue.

    Just to be clear, anything that happens in the US is strictly the fault of the people that live here. Quit blaming the politicians, they only have as much influence as we let them have.

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    October 14, 2008 at 8:26 pm
    elkingo...the 1973 oil crisis...

    Nixon was president dude...yeah...

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    October 14, 2008 at 8:27 pm
    "elkingo...the 1973 oil crisis...

    Nixon was president dude...yeah..."

    apply 6 years to that for the economic policies to take effect. also there was one in 1979.

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    October 14, 2008 at 8:29 pm
    The fall in 1981 is the 1973 oil crisis, and the fall at 1973 occurred in 1979 respectively.. two falls on that graph in those years.
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    October 14, 2008 at 8:30 pm
    elkingo has a simple way to read the graph...

    any point when things are good are somehow because of a republican...and whenever it`s bad it`s somehow a democrat`s fault...

    it`s so simple...

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    October 14, 2008 at 8:31 pm
    no I mean.. if you look at the data it points to that.. you can plot crisis, oil shortages, wars, all of it.. if you add in the " it takes about 6 years for a president`s policies to take effect" rule in.
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    October 14, 2008 at 8:32 pm
    Its more educated than your approach.. which is the approach that democrats like for you to use.. "Dem in office = booming economy..... don`t bother explaining any of it!"
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    October 14, 2008 at 8:35 pm
    elkingo...please explain your arbitrary delay...6 years??? where did you get that???
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    October 14, 2008 at 8:35 pm
    back to not applying the data of 6 year effect I see.. this is why I didn`t want to talk about economics.
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    October 14, 2008 at 8:36 pm
    Here is a copy of my hypothetical argument.. in case you missed it.

    Tuesday, October 14, 2008 7:58:04 PM
    Ok, without looking up anything, lets run through a scenario. If I was a large business man, who just got 1.5 million is a tax break, and I decide,"hey, I`d like to invest this, and make even more money, because I am rich and greedy." I build a factory/officebuilding/whatever. Construction on it takes around 2-3 years, and an extra .5 to 1 year to hire employees. Oh, I forgot, I am a rich greedy twat. I also wait another year before spending it.. because if I wait until Jan. to spend it, I don`t get taxed on my equity, or property tax. Which saves me quite a bit. so that is anywhere from 4 to 6 years. Also, tax plans don`t take effect for about 1 year.. that makes it around 5-6 years.

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    October 14, 2008 at 8:37 pm
    you have no proof...where did you get that from???

    just tell us...

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    October 14, 2008 at 8:37 pm
    When Bush 41 raised taxes the economy started going up at the end of his term and then Clinton continued it. Bush 41 did the responsible thing even though his famous line was, "Read my lips, no new taxes"

    Clinton then cut walfare and other government spending which is yes, more unusual for a democrat, right? Well he worked with republicans. So yes, cutting spending is important but then reallocating that spending elsewhere. With higher taxes that are fair and less irresponsible spending we have good economic times.

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    October 14, 2008 at 8:38 pm
    elkingo...give us an actual source...not some fake scenario you made up...
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    October 14, 2008 at 8:39 pm
    I also got a nice back up of my argument when you posted that graph. I plotted the 1973 oil crisis, the 1979 oil crisis, the First war in Iraq, the start of Reagan economics, the start of Clinton economics, and then I added in the Global crisis of 08 that the graph didn`t cover. I surmise that I can also plot the second war in Iraq, if the graph went further.
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    October 14, 2008 at 8:41 pm
    Well, elkingo, your scenario isn`t really proof. I want to see an article, a chart, some data that suggest that it does take 6 years for a specific company to do what you are suggesting.
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    October 14, 2008 at 8:41 pm
    If I have plenty of data to support my claim, then I need not supply my source. What you need to do is to supply me with a source that counters my arguments. Persuade me, as I don`t really have a need to persuade you, as once again, I have plenty of factual data and an educated hypothesis to support my claim.
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    October 14, 2008 at 8:42 pm
    elkingo...right...but you have no proof...you make assumptions that fit your preconceived notions...with no proof...
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    October 14, 2008 at 8:42 pm
    if I supply my source, the only thing that is guaranteed to happen is you try to pick it apart, while I defend it. I am taking a different approach this time, and putting the ball in your court. Prove me wrong.
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    October 14, 2008 at 8:43 pm
    Once again, "I plotted the 1973 oil crisis, the 1979 oil crisis, the First war in Iraq, the start of Reagan economics, the start of Clinton economics, and then I added in the Global crisis of 08 that the graph didn`t cover. I surmise that I can also plot the second war in Iraq, if the graph went further."
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    October 14, 2008 at 8:44 pm
    Well, I would like to see your factual data that suggest that it take 6 years. Sorry but you can`t expect me to consider your argument until you provide me with something.
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    October 14, 2008 at 8:44 pm
    AHAHAHAHA holy crap dude...you`re using the intelligent design argument????

    putting the burden of proof on me for your warped views???

    prove me wrong...until you do ill say whatever crap i want!!!...wow...

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    October 14, 2008 at 8:44 pm
    I also gave a scenario that showed how it takes 6 years for something to take effect.. can you create one where it takes less?
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    October 14, 2008 at 8:46 pm
    That isn`t a way of debating, you making a claim and then asking us to prove it is wrong. You are supposed to make a claim and then back it up to prove it is true.

    I am sitting here with 100,000 in cash in a safe next to me. Um, no I will not provide you the proof... you have to find a way to prove me wrong.

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    October 14, 2008 at 8:47 pm
    "you`re using the intelligent design argument????"

    No.. I do have facts.. jeeze. I plotted several world events.. I plot personal economics. Yet, you can`t provide anything that proves me wrong. You simply want me to provide it all, while you sip cola, and eat snacks. I say no thanks. I did my part. I argued a valid point, backed up with plotted data, and a hypothetical situation. You have done nothing to prove your point, except save a google image search.

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    October 14, 2008 at 8:48 pm
    elkingo...yes i can make a scenario where it takes less time...because i would be making it...i could make up whatever i want...just like you did...but that wouldn`t prove anything

    of course by your logic...you would have to prove it wrong...so if it was crazy enough you would have to except it as truth...which is stupid...

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    October 14, 2008 at 8:49 pm
    fine, then point out any error you notice in my hypothetical scenario, and lets talk about that.
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    October 14, 2008 at 8:49 pm
    you make no valid points...your only source is a story you made up...proving just how far you head is shoved up bush`s ass...
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    October 14, 2008 at 8:50 pm
    ah, so rather than debate anything, you simply resort to profain assumptions. I give you no kudos for that.
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    October 14, 2008 at 8:51 pm
    I mean, making that statement elkingo goes back to very elementary debating principles and murders then spits on their grave.

    How can you not understand that I can`t find your logic to be reasonable when you think like that? I guess we just think differently, that`s the end of that.

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    October 14, 2008 at 8:51 pm
    ok here`s a problem...i have a scenario where it takes only 3 months for all that stuff to happen...so now that we proved you scenario wrong with my scenario...ill go eat more stuff
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    October 14, 2008 at 8:53 pm
    Honestly elkingo, if I made a claim like that story you just made up, you`d ask me to back it up. We`re just being fair.
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    October 14, 2008 at 8:54 pm
    ok, lets hear your scenario. Play by play.. like the one I provided.
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    October 14, 2008 at 8:55 pm
    Starstreet,

    You are embarrassing yourself by not being able to put a coherent sentence together, you are the reason people think Americans are stupid.

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    October 14, 2008 at 8:55 pm
    it`s your scenario...but just shortened because the market was better...looks like you can`t prove it wrong...
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    October 14, 2008 at 8:56 pm
    ok, then. Here is one link, that talks about how Regan economics went past his legacy. I am sure you will notice that it doesn`t fully support my claim, but you have to read more than one article to get it. What I argued was a very condensed version, and I can`t provide it to you in one article.

    Here.

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    October 14, 2008 at 8:57 pm
    oh and b4 you say i eat chips and soda...kentucky is more obese than P.A.

    here`s a source fat boy

    http://calorielab.com/news/2008/07/02/fa...

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    October 14, 2008 at 8:58 pm
    Ok, without looking up anything, lets run through a scenario. If I was a large business man, who just got 1.5 million is a tax break, and I decide,"hey, I`d like to invest this, and make even more money, because I am rich and greedy." I start increasing my production by giving my employees overtime, hiring new ones and buying more raw materials. Should only take a couple of months to get into my full capacity of production. Oh, I forgot, I am a rich greedy twat. I also wait another couple of months before spending it.. because if I wait until Jan. to spend it, I don`t get taxed on my equity, or property tax. Which saves me quite a bit. so that is anywhere from 8 months to 1.5 years. Also, tax plans don`t take effect for about 1 year.. that makes it around 1.6-2.5 years.
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    October 14, 2008 at 8:58 pm
    Here is another one.

    Unsung Triumph

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    October 14, 2008 at 8:59 pm
    AahNold, if you did not understand what I said... wow.
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    October 14, 2008 at 9:00 pm
    I rest my case
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    October 14, 2008 at 9:00 pm
    I understand what you are trying to say, your ability to put sentences together is the problem.
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    October 14, 2008 at 9:02 pm
    starrstreet, problem in your scenario.

    Marketing the new amount of items I have. Waiting for the delivery, and inevitable storage of a surplus. Two possibilities:
    1. More of the same item makes the price go down (supply +demand)
    2. The more items on the market don`t sell quite as fast, and this hurts the over all economy because I slowed my own business by flooding the market.

    Add in another 4 years to recover from a drastic move.

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    October 14, 2008 at 9:03 pm
    elkingo is a fatty and touches children...

    i can give you a scenario where he does it...and since i have data i need no actual source

    you make me sick...how can you do that to kids???

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    October 14, 2008 at 9:03 pm
    Maybe an english composition class would help.
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    October 14, 2008 at 9:03 pm
    didn`t call you fat, and I know my state is fatter.. so what? I made an assumption about you being to lazy to look up anything to defend your cause. (if I hurt your feelings about a pack of chips or something I apologize) realize though, this doesn`t prove anything and is only a tangent.
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    October 14, 2008 at 9:04 pm
    Orion, you just lost your debate. You can`t do anything but try to point out flaws in my argument.
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    October 14, 2008 at 9:04 pm
    i bet elkingo has a fat wife...since kentucky is mostly full of fat people...an educated guess by elkingo`s standards
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    October 14, 2008 at 9:05 pm
    why do i have to prove myself to some guy who touches children?!?!?!?!?
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    October 14, 2008 at 9:06 pm
    I touch myself all the time
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    October 14, 2008 at 9:07 pm
    oh and b4 you say i eat chips and soda...kentucky is more obese than P.A.

    here`s a source fat boy

    http://calorielab.com/news/2008/07/02/fa...

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    October 14, 2008 at 9:07 pm
    Not to sound presumptuous, but did anyone question philosophers over something as trivial as what you are proposing? I can`t have a thought on my own? I can`t be a free thinker? I need someone to say something for me, and site that?

    I have my sources, but I don`t have to give away years of thought to save your dignity. Just so that you can pick apart what I think. Instead, I ask you for your thoughts, and it seems you don`t have any.

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    October 14, 2008 at 9:07 pm
    why do i have to prove myself to some guy who touches children?!?!?!?!?
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    October 14, 2008 at 9:09 pm
    no longer responding to you. Say what you will, flame me all night if you must. You only prove your own ignorance.
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    October 14, 2008 at 9:10 pm

    "I agree with elkingo"
    - P.B.

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    October 14, 2008 at 9:11 pm
    starrstreet, it was actually nice debating with you, If I have offended you I apologize once again. It is only politics, and you, like me are entitled to your own beliefs. I just merely want to debate with someone, who is intelligent enough. At first I didn`t want to talk with you about it, but I actually did enjoy talking with you.
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    October 14, 2008 at 9:14 pm
    "don`t ignore me!!!"


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    October 14, 2008 at 9:18 pm
    no more political talk ...everybody get FUNKY!!!!


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    October 14, 2008 at 9:25 pm
    Yeah same here. Next time, please, don`t assume I am ignorant on a matter before I have a chance to discuss it.
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    October 14, 2008 at 9:26 pm
    orionsbelt, this is NOT 4chan!! Why do I always have to tell people that here??
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    orionsbelt Male 18-29
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    October 14, 2008 at 9:31 pm
    lol 4chan...not a chance

    and you really softened you post to elkingo...i saw the original...

    did you know he touches kids...i have a source...but ill never tell...you might dispute it...

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    October 14, 2008 at 9:35 pm
    I am sorry for that, starrstreet, I didn`t really mean anything by it. =)
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    October 14, 2008 at 9:39 pm
    Its inevitable to disagree star, considering you are a liberal atheist, and I am a Conservative Christian.. haha.
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    October 14, 2008 at 9:48 pm
    Ah true, but I have to change that to Agnostic because I think saying that there is definitely nothing is just as silly as knowing there is definitely something. No one can know for sure without a doubt something outside of life as we know it.
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    October 14, 2008 at 9:49 pm
    hey, thats cool =)
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    October 14, 2008 at 9:51 pm
    That is actually some good thinking.. as a Christian it would be foolish to say that I don`t have doubts. I recently started to lean towards predestination. Maybe not as acceptable.. but I question society.
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    October 14, 2008 at 9:54 pm
    Oh my goodness... If I was the wife I would be seriously pissed. I would also petition the courts to change it after I had divorced his stupid ass.
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    October 14, 2008 at 11:16 pm
    I know this isn`t the first time we`ve seen people use children as a political tool, but this time it`s just gone too far.
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    October 15, 2008 at 12:00 am
    Noveber 16, 2021

    Dear Diary,

    I just learned in history class today that my name happens to be the same as the most destructive presidential ticket in history. I asked my Dad " Yo what up wit dat?" He then sat me down and told me that he decided to "take one for the cause" and give me what will now haunt me as the worst name ever. Also, I bought a gun today. I`m going to kill my dad. F#*k my life!

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    October 15, 2008 at 2:20 am
    That poor poor child.
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    October 15, 2008 at 2:49 am
    I smell divorce.
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    October 15, 2008 at 3:36 am
    vv "You are embarrassing yourself by not being able to put a coherent sentence together, you are the reason people think Americans are stupid."

    Nah, it`s pretty much you Aahnold. I can confirm that, as being a "people", specifically one of those Europeans that you couldn`t give a sh*t about.

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    October 15, 2008 at 7:55 am
    That is SERIOUSLY f$cked up. Stupid in the first place, but to do it and not tell your wife? She should divorce his ass, take the kid, change her name, and tell him to go take a flying leap. What a moron.
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    Desumien Female 18-29
    374 posts
    October 15, 2008 at 9:18 am
    O_O bloodydrat the poor child

    the bastard obviously didnt think of the child...

    THINK OF THE CHILD FOR PETE`S SAKE

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    orionsbelt Male 18-29
    151 posts
    October 15, 2008 at 10:06 am
    elkingo`s wet dream...


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    Vagrant86 Male 18-29
    2556 posts
    October 15, 2008 at 10:29 am
    omg....
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    dragonshadoz Female 18-29
    4031 posts
    October 15, 2008 at 12:20 pm
    "Get the word out about the campaign"?! The campaign that`s almost over, and you`re having your kid as some sort of campaign poster? F-cking idiot.
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    AahNold Male 30-39
    375 posts
    October 15, 2008 at 3:57 pm
    Poor davymid,

    he`s got sand in his vagina, one of my friends said that summer`s eve can take care of that.

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    Chaos7 Male 18-29
    849 posts
    October 15, 2008 at 4:23 pm
    Well, at least it wasn`t Blanket.
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    robrobrob125 Male 13-17
    118 posts
    October 16, 2008 at 12:56 pm
    Well it is their baby...
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    nicholelibra Female 18-29
    663 posts
    October 23, 2008 at 10:18 am
    THEIR baby being the operative word. If my husband decided to at the last minute decided to put a name different from the one that we picked out on the birth certificate I`d have to kick his ass.
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    Thepwnsher Male 13-17
    283 posts
    November 24, 2008 at 3:23 pm
    Epic Fail
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