Jesus the Magician`s Bowl is Found

Submitted by: Pooptart19 8 years ago Funny
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Bowl dated between late 2nd century BC and the early 1st century AD is earliest reference of Christ. I-A-B: thoughts?
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Male 2,313
Vagrant86, yes.
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Male 30
Understand that there is a BIG difference between magic and illusion.
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Male 2,553
i don`t know much about this stuff but didn`t the bible talk about christ before he was born?
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Male 5,620
davy, just for you.. and just because you used to pray, and just because I do believe, and although it may not mean anything to you.. I am going to pray for God to convict you. Not to be harsh, not to be a douche, or not to be jealous. In the faith that something will occur, and you will notice it. If I am right, you stand to gain a lot, if I am wrong, you loose nothing.
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Male 12,138
At least i can email Blaine and ask "seriously man, that was pretty cool. But how did you do it?". I mean it`ll probably not get a response, but you know how that goes... I used to pray.

I bet Blaine could turn water to wine, or turn 5 loaves and fishes into thousands. And he`s a f*cking twat.

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Male 1,164
HAH PROOF "christ the magician" he was just a street magician like david blaine
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Male 264
Christ is the marvelous magician
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Female 68
I love how they just make sh*t up
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Male 338
Hmm....seems a bit too neat to have been sitting in the ocean for 2000 years....
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Male 637
"drogue
Male, 40-49, Western US
105 Posts Tuesday, October 14, 2008 7:05:42 AM
Sarah Silverman was right."

-Rofl... I love Sarah Silverman.

Anyways, I dislike media articles, because they post a title that implants an idea in your brain, then 3/4 of the way through the article, they say, "Oh, but this could entirely not be the case at all... it`s just speculation...". I get that it draws more people, I just think, subconsciously, people will refer to this as the Jesus Bowl, when it could actually have nothing to do with him at all...


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Male 28
From what I`ve heard, early Jewish historians claimed that Jesus did his miracles through sorcery. Note the lack of denying the miracles themselves.

One thing that historians have been looking for has been the burial place of Jesus. The Jewish leaders of the time argued that the deciples stole the body while the guards were asleep. The Muslims sometimes argue that Jesus lived through the crucifixion (not likely). But nobody seems to have found his body, even though they accept his existence. Something to think about I suppose.

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Male 5,620
There is greek letters in there, they simply neglect to translate.
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Male 5,620
the bowl does *not* say "DIA CHRISTOU O GOISTAIS". It doesn`t even say "DIA CHRSTOU O GOISTAIS" (note how the article conveniently omits the troublesome vowel entirely in its transcription). It says "DIA CHRESTOU O GOISTAIS". "Chrestou" not equal to `Christ,` folks
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Male 168
JEWS!!!!!!! I love jews
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Male 2,313
The earliest pictures of Jesus showed him holding a magic wand, since it was seen of a symbol of power.
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Male 528
P.S.-All people are entitled to their beliefs-im just sharing mine.
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Male 180
Maybe in 2000 years from now peoples will be dumb enough to believe that David Blaine was a messie sent by God and realized miracles.
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Male 528
Religion boils down to a comfort for the masses, and a means of gaining power for a minority. It`s difficult to accept that this life is the only one, that you will work and toil here and amount to nothing more than fertilizer. How much nicer to believe in a pretty afterlife, with all our family to care for you and love you, a reward for all the suffering here. "He who holds the keys to heaven controls the world." (Thats from the da vinci code..hehe)

Instead of existing here in a universe largely beyond our understanding, destroying ourselves through the nature of our species, isn`t it just nicer to believe that the man in the clouds has this thing all figured out? Coping mechanisms, and pretty damn popular ones too.

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Male 384
I thought he was a jew, not a magician.
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Male 237
Buttersrules-

There`s a significant difference between Harry Potter and the new testament. It doesn`t require faith to believe where the OT mentions Xerxes, Nebudchanezzar, or Soloman. It doesn`t require faith to read books written to actual people at actual places (Thessolonica, Corinth...) but this isn`t worth arguing anymore.

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Male 4,867
yh darth jays got it spot on.

Jesus did exist, i just can`t quite beleive if he did some of things it was claimed he did

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Female 455
`Christ` does not automatically equal Jesus. It`s a title, not a name.
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Female 400
I always used to say when I was younger, "Jesus was a con-man" then I would get in trouble because I went to a Catholic school. =[
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Male 339
These are some non-gospel sources which refer to Jesus:

Flavius Josephus - c90CE
Suetonius - c120CE
Tactitus - 110CE
Pliny - c110CE
Thallus - cited in c300CE
Talmud - 200-500CE
`Acts of Pilate`

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Male 339
There are just too many EXTRA-Biblical references out there to back up events that happened in the Bible AND to back up that there was a man named Jesus who performed miracles around the same time period that the Bible says Jesus lived.

Was Jesus the son of God? That`s faith.
Did Jesus exist? That`s a fact.

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Male 42
And to pre-empt people jumping on the "Wikipedia sucks" bandwagon (because it`s happened before)...

"Today, scholars generally agree that Jesus was a historical figure whose existence is authenticated both by Christian writers and by several Roman and Jewish historians."
http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_7615...

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Male 339
"There is actually no historical evidence that anything in the bible ever realy happened..."

Since we`re "debating", look these up...

-- An inscription at a Roman theater in Caesarea Martima reading, "Pontius Pilate, prefect of Judea".

-- An inscription found in Northern Israel mentioning King David`s dynasty. The inscription is the oldest reference to any Biblical figure outside the Bible.

-- The discovery of an ossuary, a stone box used for retaining bones of the deceased, inscribed with the name of Caiaphas, the high priest who presided over the trial of Jesus shortly before his crucifixion.

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Male 339
OMG! A religious debate on I-A-B?! There`s something new....

***rolls eyes***

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Male 99
There is actually no historical evidence that anything in the bible ever realy happened. The bible is just a big book of stories and Jesus is one of it`s characters.
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Male 410
"The BLB, saying that the bible itself is proof of christ is no different to saying that L Ron`s books prove scientology.
"it must be true, because it`s in the bible" makes as much sense as "it must be true, because its in Steven King`s `Christine`". If the existence of ancient texts is `proof`, then any religion with ancient texts is the true religion. But how can this be? It can`t, because it is contradictory. How can there be so many `true` faiths, when so many of these faiths claim that they, and they alone, are the only true faith.
Belief in the bible involves faith, not fact. If you have faith, you believe that the bible is fact. If you do not have faith, then you do not believe the bible is fact. Simple. If you want to believe that the bible is divinely inspired, and is true, fine. But understand, that for a non believer, (or even for a believer) it is not proof."

buttersrules: You took the words right out of my mouth. I want them back now,

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Male 42
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity...
Go ahead and check the source if you want.

Even watching The History Channel, this fact is evident. I have not seen anyone reputable express doubt that Jesus did in fact exist. Rather, they have all stated that he did like it wasn`t even something up for debate at this point.

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Male 42
""Well his existence isn`t really under speculation, his "miracles" are, right? I mean historically he probably, yeah, was there and was a leader.

Am I mistaken?"

This is the first historical evidence of Jesus that I am aware of. I am rather skeptical, as if there was some bearded guy rising from the dead healing people and turning water into bud light, there would be at least some documentation that old."
Then do your research. It is generally agreed upon academically that Jesus did in fact exist in history.

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"Most scholars in the fields of biblical studies and history agree that Jesus was a Jewish teacher from Galilee who was regarded as a healer, was baptized by John the Baptist, was accused of sedition against the Roman Empire, and on the orders of Roman Governor Pontius Pilate was sentenced to death by crucifixion."
http://en.wikipedi

Male 231
Sarah Silverman was right.
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Male 292
this sounds like a bad Harry Potter book title: Harry Potter and the Magicians Bowl XD
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Male 254
no where on there did it say it was used by Jesus...therefore it can`t be the "grail"....it`s probably one of the earliest forms of badmouthing or bad publicity advertising at the time....???
Or just a hoax!!!
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Male 5,970
I think its just another bowl from that time....nothing really proves anything here, other than they used bowls back then
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Female 182
Devi3000, you just made my day.
:P
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Male 1,365
You know what Jesus said to his fellow carpenters that were in the union before he died? "Don`t do anything till` I get back"
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Male 395
Lol! Sorry to burst your bubbles but the most realistic translation of: "DIA CHRSTOU O GOISTAIS" is "Healing Oil." I don`t know about you guys but that just makes more sense to me!
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Female 331
Jesus the Magician?
Okay, that`s a new name to me (I`m not religious).
So, how come Jesus can perform all these miracles and can be a called a magician, but if someone else claimed they could do things like that (at least a hundred years or more ago) is immediately called a "WITCH!!!"?
One of the things I could never fully understand. :/
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Male 945
The BLB, saying that the bible itself is proof of christ is no different to saying that L Ron`s books prove scientology.
"it must be true, because it`s in the bible" makes as much sense as "it must be true, because its in Steven King`s `Christine`". If the existence of ancient texts is `proof`, then any religion with ancient texts is the true religion. But how can this be? It can`t, because it is contradictory. How can there be so many `true` faiths, when so many of these faiths claim that they, and they alone, are the only true faith.

Belief in the bible involves faith, not fact. If you have faith, you believe that the bible is fact. If you do not have faith, then you do not believe the bible is fact. Simple. If you want to believe that the bible is divinely inspired, and is true, fine. But understand, that for a non believer, (or even for a believer) it is not proof.

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Female 1,496
Hey there`s my coffee cup. I was looking for that.
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Male 3,301
Yep, still a broken link.
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Male 129
One other possibility-since Jesus was known for His miracles, His name is invoked often by witches and wiccans as a `power word", a name or word which, in itself, is supposed to have power for spells. It`s possible, just as they do today, so magicians did, then. The book of Acts speaks of certain vagabond Jews who tried to envoke Jesus` name while exorcizing a devil-but instead of casting out the devil, they, themselves, were set upon by it, as they recognized Jesus` name and authority, but not their authoprity to use His name. This may be something similar.
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Male 237
"They say dinosaurs are not real, i say this isnt real."

I`ve never met a single Christian, let alone human, who claims dinosaurs weren`t real. Have you ever actually met one of us?

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Male 129
Remember the burial box of "Judas, brother of Jesus"? Fake. This even looks like a fake-being that old, the handle is in remarkable shape, the lettering is immaculate, almost new-looking, whereas, after 2,000 years under water, a clay bowl should be anything but new-looking.
Besides, "Christ" is a term which means `annoined one`, a term used for any king or priest who was annointed to that position. Jesus was THE Christ, recognized as the Hebrew Messiah, or Christ, in the Greek. And why would it use Greek words in Alexandria, Egypt, on an Egyptian artifact, during the time of Roman rule?
No, this smells afully of fakery at worst, or nothing special, at best.
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Male 650
that pretty much sums it all up for me.
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Male 2,076
people`s knowledge of history sometimes astounds me. it really blows me away.
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Male 2,076
lol at Zerocyde!
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Male 190
They say dinosaurs are not real, i say this isnt real.
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Female 818
Zerocyde, Christ is a title, not a name.

Tweekthief, they probably cleaned it.


And the first thing I thought of was Harry Potter.

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Male 3,255
Also, how do we know that the cup is talking about the Christianity Christ? Was that Jesus really the first to be named Christ?
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Male 3,255
Well, if Jesus did really exist, then of course he was a magician, like David Copperfield or something. If he can make the statue of liberty disappear, then I`m sure jesus had no problem making some water look like it turned into wine, lol.
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Male 26
I dont know, that bowl is in reall good shape for being so old. Where exactly did they find it? the engravings look almost fresh, no dirt or anything in the grooves.
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Male 928
Maybe it this guy was a Jesus Christ "cover band," so to speak. Someone who toured the empire performing Jesus` material after he died.
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Male 9
Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you, Jesus the Magician!
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Male 237
...themselves is something that I would hope people find interesting, at least.
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Male 237
"Am I mistaken?"

This is the first historical evidence of Jesus that I am aware of. I am rather skeptical, as if there was some bearded guy rising from the dead healing people and turning water into bud light, there would be at least some documentation that old."

I know I sound like an old republican (I`m a Canadian Liberal though, cute huh?) but hear me out. I don`t usually debate on the internet because it becomes 14 year old kids swearing and trolling.

Anyhow, the Bible itself is evidence. I probably wouldn`t buy the book myself if it was a group of stories that went like this "Once there was a man named Jesus, he was nice... he lived on a mountain made of candy."

That would be me burning it. However, it`s NT author`s willingness to include dates, seasons, details about specific roman (and otherwise) officials, and especially Paul`s willingness to record it at a period of time when people reading it could go down the road and investigate it themse

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Male 2,372
In this case, the translation of "Magus" refers to one who understands the nature of reality and creation to its very core...NOT a fortune teller or an illusionist.

It is a reference to someone who not only is one with the Macrocosm and the Microcosm, but one who has control over the elements of creation within himself.

That`s the gist, anyway.

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Male 123
Sorry for double post, but extra note:
While it is around the time that the bible`s Jesus was around, this could obviously be a different Jesus.

Note:
Oh crap, water to bud light was Obama:

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Male 123
"Well his existence isn`t really under speculation, his "miracles" are, right? I mean historically he probably, yeah, was there and was a leader.

Am I mistaken?"

This is the first historical evidence of Jesus that I am aware of. I am rather skeptical, as if there was some bearded guy rising from the dead healing people and turning water into bud light, there would be at least some documentation that old.

It would be ironic and to me funny if, we found out that Jesus did indeed exist, but he was a traveling magician trying to make money, faking his own death for fame.

Note: I`m as religious as a door mat. Science is my buddy.

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Male 418
Well poo if that means he became a god in the eyes of millions because he could do magic tricks then i might as well start working on my david blaine bible.
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Male 237
I think that this really isn`t a big deal. An incredibly small percent of historians argue the man never existed. If I saw or heard of someone doing what the bible says he did I would call it "Magic"... I can`t really think of another word besides "miracle"... and they both seem to hold the same weight.

Jojojobisme- don`t give up, just realize that the internet isn`t an even grounds for argument. People are a lot less rude and ignorant in person.

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Male 3,301
So, basically Jesus will come back in the form of a broken link on IAB?

Fix it, Fancy!

Opie, as far as I know, even the Muslims accept his existence. Only as a mere prophet, but they still believed he existed in some way...

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Male 4
please tell me the houdini thing is not really a case... much less one being rested already
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Male 909
Jesus came back a third time, people...
You may have heard of him. They called him HOUDINI. I rest my case.

And Giligadi?
That bowl strikes me as more of a bowl for something like Coco Puffs.
Or popcorn, if you have some friends over.

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Male 4
well a bowl that says jesus was a magician doesnt really mean anything. if he were alive today im sure people would jump at the chance to diminish what he was really doing by refering to it as mere magic
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Female 15,763
Well his existence isn`t really under speculation, his "miracles" are, right? I mean historically he probably, yeah, was there and was a leader.

Am I mistaken?

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Male 4
dont give up defending what you believe in!!
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Male 356
I`d eat me some froot loops out of that magic bowl.
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Male 392
Yep, always happens. I`ve given up on defending my views... Even though I do believe in Jesus and God and am a Christian.
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Male 274
Thoughts? A certain mod will come here and promote a flame war.
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Male 392
Alert Indiana Jones! He can call of his search for the grail.
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Male 2,440
Link: Jesus the Magician`s Bowl is Found [Rate Link] - Bowl dated between late 2nd century BC and the early 1st century AD is earliest reference of Christ. I-A-B: thoughts?
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