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  1. Profile photo of LittleMissQT
    LittleMissQT Female 18-29
    1277 posts
    October 3, 2008 at 10:20 am
    Link: ``Dead Wrong`` - Karl Rove lists 10 ‘Factually Wrong’ Biden debate statements.
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    quibster Female 18-29
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    October 3, 2008 at 10:24 am
    not bad. nice post
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    jeffkodine Male 18-29
    58 posts
    October 3, 2008 at 10:30 am
    It`s no surprise that the morons who put Bush in office twice are going to put Obama in office.

    They`ll be sorry, that`s all I`ll say.

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    KingofFreaks Male 18-29
    123 posts
    October 3, 2008 at 10:35 am
    Whether Biden was wrong or not, I`d rather see him as VP than Palin. Palen seems to just be a cheap ploy to get women to vote for McCain. She goes out there and tries to be the `every American` figure, and as transparent as it is, it`s gonna fool some people out there into thinking, "She`s just like us". That doesn`t mean I`m particularly in favour of either Obama, it just means I hate Palin.

    So pray God you guys vote Obama.

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    dilldog123 Male 18-29
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    October 3, 2008 at 10:36 am
    V I hate you. First post.

    Three weeks in Iraq=/=7 years in Afghanistan.

    Then what is it, four weeks?

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    ajr2006 Male 18-29
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    October 3, 2008 at 10:36 am
    Rove and Faux news, who listens or believes anything theses idiots say
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    lemmingboy15 Male 18-29
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    October 3, 2008 at 10:39 am
    "Rove and Faux news, who listens or believes anything theses idiots say"
    durrrrrrrrrrrrr biden was factually wrong even if a screeching monkey said it.
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    fleafly Male 18-29
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    October 3, 2008 at 10:59 am
    I`ve seen dozens of stories on the net today about how horrible Palin was, and pointing out her mistakes. Nice to see the other side of the coin. Despite what many of you believe, Biden isn`t perfect either.

    Good post.

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    ZenGen Male 18-29
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    October 3, 2008 at 11:06 am
    Wow Karl Rove and Rudi Guilianni think Palin won the debate? That`s a shocker!

    Like the guy who conviently got cut off said, Palin used false facts too, and she completely walked around most of the questions and changed the subject to another issue where she would have the oppurtunity to take a jab.

    It`s drating hillarious to hear conservatives talk about the "Liberal Media" as if it is some kind of magical entity that brainwashes Americans into voting for liberals. If that were the case Al Gore would be finishing off his 8 years instead of George W. Bush.

    There is just as much "Conservative Media" out there. Faux News is case in point, they don`t do proper research, any one who played Mass Effect can tell you that. They report on hot-button issues that they know will fire up their conservative audience. Like lying about the amount of sexual material in a video game.

    I am not inclined to believe anything I see in campaign commercials or on Faux News.

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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    October 3, 2008 at 11:15 am
    I don`t understand the American fascination with being able to `relate` to our president. I don`t care about that. I want my president and VP to hold my views on how the government should work. Of course I`ll never see that, but I`d like to pick a candidate who is also close to my ideals as possible--I don`t care if they like the same stuff as me. I don`t care if they hate everything that I do and we could never really sit down and have a conversation.

    I just want someone competent.

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    starrstreet Female 18-29
    401 posts
    October 3, 2008 at 11:18 am
    Wahh, wahh I`m Carl Rove, I`m so excited to point out errors but can`t take it when the other side points out mine, wahhhhhhhhhhhh.

    Fair and balanced? Lets go make a lit of both of their factual mistakes then. I do not deny that Biden made errors but the all the negatives of the McCain/Palin ticket surely outweigh his mistakes.

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    pat125 Male 18-29
    756 posts
    October 3, 2008 at 11:37 am
    I love all you liberals dismissing Biden`s mistakes as irrelevant.

    If Palin did it it would be front page news and the following IAB post would be rated 3.8. Such a double standard.

    As far as Rove, he may be one of the most hated men in America, but he IS correct. It doesn`t matter who says it, Biden once again proved he`s a gaffe machine, and the facts don`t lie.

    Finally a post on IAB that calls out the other side.

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    Vindicate Female 18-29
    511 posts
    October 3, 2008 at 11:38 am
    Palin can be as nice as she wants - she looks and sounds like a dippoo. That, combined with her anti-choice and creationism views and I could never, EVER vote for her on principle alone.

    Obama isn`t any better though. Maybe the only alternative is moving to Europe. Are things as f-ed up over there as they are here?

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    pat125 Male 18-29
    756 posts
    October 3, 2008 at 11:39 am
    "Wahh, wahh I`m Carl Rove, I`m so excited to point out errors but can`t take it when the other side points out mine, wahhhhhhhhhhhh. "

    Haha, that sounds like the kind of childish, copout answer a high school freshman would give a debate team meeting. FAIL

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    ZenGen Male 18-29
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    October 3, 2008 at 11:45 am
    Well said SPrinkZ!

    The drating President of the United States of America is the most prestigous posistion in the world.

    Joe six-pack as the conservatives love to talk about has no business running for President.

    Everyone is praising Palin for being a folksy hockey mom and just like an average American.

    Well I sure as hell don`t want some average American Idiot running the most powerful country in the world. I certainly don`t want a hockey mom, former beauty queen a heartbeat away from the presidency.

    The President should be well educated above all else, the cream of the intellectual crop.

    Barack Obama and Joe Biden each have two degrees Both have B.A.`s in Political Science and both jave J.D`s in Law!

    John McCain has a certificate from Annapolis where he was ranked in the bottom of his class. Sarah Palain has a B.S. in communications.

    Someone explain to me how the McCain/Palin ticket is more qualified.

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    yellowsquare Female 18-29
    1545 posts
    October 3, 2008 at 12:02 pm
    Karl Rove can suck my balls.
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    DaveyyBooy Male 18-29
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    October 3, 2008 at 12:07 pm
    Let`s discuss Palin stating that the McCain/ Palin ticket supports full hospital visitation and property ownership rights to same-sex couples. Perhaps the biggest mistake of the night. All the other mistakes (Palin`s AND Biden`s) may have been due to inaccurate fact-checking or anything of the sort.

    However, not knowing where your ticket stands on such a widely-publicized issue is inexcusable. Either that or she knew, but didn`t want to alienate gay voters.

    Either way here`s the deal. She`s either going to alienate gay voters when her party issues a retraction of that statement. Or she`s going to alienate Conservative Christian votes when the Republican party suddenly announces they support civil union rights.

    Good job, hockey mom.

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    starrstreet Female 18-29
    401 posts
    October 3, 2008 at 12:14 pm
    Oh poo I didn`t realize this was a debate course...

    Sorry if I seemed a little too dramatic for you to take! Sometimes over exaggeration is just an easy way for me to paint a picture.

    But totally ignore the rest of what I said agreeing that Joe Biden made factual errors and that I would like to see a list of both sides slip ups.

    Seems like Pat is sad because Biden clearly won the debate and it looks like his ticket isn`t wining in November... awwww.

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    Thetas Male 18-29
    1540 posts
    October 3, 2008 at 12:14 pm
    POLITICS DEBATE POLITICS DEBATE POLITICS DEBATE

    I`m already bored. I`m going to go watch 1930`s inventions again.

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    Whaley_girl Female 13-17
    73 posts
    October 3, 2008 at 12:33 pm
    I realized it was Fox News and stopped watching.
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    NOFX14 Male 18-29
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    October 3, 2008 at 12:52 pm
    1. Look what news station it is... a bit biased having one of the most conservative stations evaluate Joe Biden.
    2. Look who`s evaluating Biden, one of the biggest masterminds of the conservative Bush administration.
    3. Just because Carl Rove says he went on to his computer and said he found stuff saying Biden is wrong does not mean its true

    Not denying that both candidates lied, sure they both did. Palin was equally if not more guilty of the offense though.

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    NOFX14 Male 18-29
    1141 posts
    October 3, 2008 at 12:54 pm
    former masterminds rather, my bad
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    Cash49 Female 50-59
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    October 3, 2008 at 12:56 pm
    Boring, Bullpoo from Fox and the V.P.s
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    nflfisherman Male 18-29
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    October 3, 2008 at 2:39 pm
    I absolutely love how left-wing dillusional morons are always stating how conservatively biased Fox News is. It`s a good thing you liberal whackos have CNN, MSNBC, and every other media.

    Palin ftw. Biden... great speaker, hollow man. I`d invite him over for dinner...I wouldn`t elect him Vice President.

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    GothicQueen Male 13-17
    4376 posts
    October 3, 2008 at 2:39 pm
    I don`t even need to watch this

    palin sucks. i don` care if biden lied through his teeth. Anyone is better than Palin

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    GothicQueen Male 13-17
    4376 posts
    October 3, 2008 at 2:40 pm
    anyone that`s against abortion i don`t want in the white house

    end of story. espically when they are as fanatical as her. And i have my reasons

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    mindcrome Male 18-29
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    October 3, 2008 at 3:01 pm
    I so going to trust the same guy who ran Bush`s campaign for the last 8 years, and who is now running McCain`s. And is talking on a right wing network. Thanks but I will check my own facts.

    Besides I can not vote for a guy who up untill the stock market dropped 700 points in one day said the economy was sound, then said we are in a time of economic trouble.

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    Zerocyde Male 18-29
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    October 3, 2008 at 3:04 pm
    Don`t post poo from fox. Its all lies and garbage. Even super right wing conservatives agree.
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    opiebreath Female 18-29
    15774 posts
    October 3, 2008 at 3:13 pm
    How i feel with the VPs, both of them, is I think how the whole country felt with Bush and Kerry.

    Really? Those two are the best choices?

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    chacha2000 Female 18-29
    16 posts
    October 3, 2008 at 3:21 pm
    I`m with Gothic...A liar is so much better than someone who believes the unborn have a right to live. *rolling eyes*
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    Scotchy Male 18-29
    592 posts
    October 3, 2008 at 4:01 pm
    The thing that bothers me most is that most of you are automatically against one side or the other, with such statements as "Anyone who does ~blah~ im against!" Without actually trying to figure out who is really good. Each of you complain about "lies" or "fakes" or other stuff because it isnt from your version of the news whether it be CNN or Fox, if its the one on the side your against people are then accused of "being spoonfed lies and propaganda" and then I read "Im going to look up my own fact, which by that meaning, your going to watch the new network that is the other side and accept that as fact without thinking about it.

    The true fact is your mindless drones believing what your told, by the first side that tells you. After you accept that as "truth" you dont want to hear the other side at all, and say its wrong.

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    ElDavo Male 18-29
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    October 3, 2008 at 4:12 pm
    Scotchy you are dumb. If you want to insult someone`s intelligence, don`t use about 20 grammatical mistakes while you do it. Besides, don`t assume something like that. The reason the facts are in the news on one side or the other is that they could be true and someone accepted them as true. People have seen both sides and decided one of them is right. After being "right" many times, a news station gains more credibility with the person. I think you just disagree with whoever you claim accepts these facts without thinking and decided to insult them.
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    GothicQueen Male 13-17
    4376 posts
    October 3, 2008 at 4:16 pm
    You know what chacha You can Shut your drating face. Palin is against abortion ALWAYS. A man rapes a 16 year old girl....oh well who cares. She`s a mommy now cause Palin is against abortion even in rape/incest cases. A young adult woman just got raped by her father...well who cares if it`s the same genetics...let the kid live.
    She is against it. period. The only time she says it is even remotely okay is if the womans life is at risk. So hey if you 11 and your uncle raped you and you are now pregnant hope you are ready to mom. Cause palin says abortion is a no-no
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    GothicQueen Male 13-17
    4376 posts
    October 3, 2008 at 4:18 pm
    I have had an abortion and you know what, it was the right decision for me. I wasn`t ready to be a mother let alone a teen mother. Especially since I was living on foodstamps and 0 income at the time. But hey....whatever. There` is always adoption right? because that ALWAYS turns out so wonderful.
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    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    October 3, 2008 at 4:28 pm
    Gothic "let the kid live"?

    So you agree it`s a kid and it`s alive, but just think it`s unfortunate that little things like that might make it morally murky to kill it?

    Quick note: If ANYONE was "anti-choice" there`d be protests outside Starbucks, not Abortion Clinics, obviously there`s another point at play here, and that point is that they believe there is a group of people without the most fundamental rights, who should have them.

    And I agree with them, rights should be based on what they are, not where they are or when they are, and right now that is not the case.

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    Scotchy Male 18-29
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    October 3, 2008 at 4:34 pm
    these are forums, I`m not bound by law to spell check or use grammar check every time I want to write something, I can say what I want because I can. The fact you took the time to try to insult me with my grammar mistakes is kinda funny. But ya, I do disagree with people that choose a side because of their affiliation, whether republican or democrat, because most of the time they choose to not listen to the other side believing they are wrong before making their minds up.

    I`m just curious, how long did you take to write that statement for me just so you could be sure your grammar and spelling mistakes were fixed. Hmm? Don`t say you didn`t, because you would be a liar. I choose not to because its a waste of time on a forum setting where you would still be able to understand exactly what I said. All your doing is trying to be sneaky in saying that your more intelligent then me. Unfortunately, I seen through your ploy. Unfortunately, your exactly like the guy on the "annoying"

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    GothicQueen Male 13-17
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    October 3, 2008 at 4:48 pm
    Actually no I don`t believe it`s a child. I used the wrong choice of words there though I admit that. But the point is is that no one has the right to tell me what I can`t or can`t do. Just because a woman gets pregnant it means she is obligated to have that child?

    So it`s okay to use that as a form of punishment? A mistake was made so now i have togo through 9 months of sufering and god knows how many hours of excruciating labor to have a baby I never wanted?

    yes that makes PERFECT sense. It`s all so clear

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    GothicQueen Male 13-17
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    October 3, 2008 at 4:53 pm
    And Cefka...as male ages 13-17 when you actually get pregnant I will be more inclined to listen to you.
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    patthebaker Male 18-29
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    October 3, 2008 at 5:19 pm
    Id watch this but his face angers me
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    aussieguy29 Male 18-29
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    October 3, 2008 at 5:28 pm
    fox is such a rubbish `news` channel
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    Adoras Male 18-29
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    October 3, 2008 at 5:55 pm
    haha all joe biden does is lie, and no one can dispute that, even dems at this point are praying joe biden stops being joe biden
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    GothicQueen Male 13-17
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    October 3, 2008 at 6:13 pm
    You obviously missed the point i was trying to make cefka....

    NEXT

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    xiquiripat Male 18-29
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    October 3, 2008 at 6:27 pm
    Lol. "Well Palin lied too" "No, shut your goddamn mouth!"
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    keith2 Male 30-39
    2589 posts
    October 3, 2008 at 7:29 pm
    f*ck mccain f*ck obama THEY HELPED STEAL OUR MONEY AND GAVE IT TO THE COMPANIES THAT SQUANDERED ALL OUR OTHER MONEY WE USED TO HAVE
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    chacha2000 Female 18-29
    16 posts
    October 3, 2008 at 7:55 pm
    wow. someone sounds so ladylike.

    the point i`m trying to make is that adoption solves the problem of not wanting a child that a woman has conceived.

    killing is killing. end of story.

    p.s. i HAD my child and i was also desperately poor.

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    sixclaws13 Male 18-29
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    October 3, 2008 at 7:55 pm
    Politicians lie!?! I had no idea

    Ron Paul `08

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    kittyloaf Male 18-29
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    October 3, 2008 at 7:55 pm
    I think Palin is patronizing and mocks the middle class. She thinks that by saying "Well, dog-on-it, I reckon we`re going to clean up Washington" she is connecting with average people. But in reality, most middle class people dont talk like they are hillbillies.
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    Vagrant86 Male 18-29
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    October 3, 2008 at 8:41 pm
    its fox news... NEXT
  49. Profile photo of GothicQueen
    GothicQueen Male 13-17
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    October 3, 2008 at 9:37 pm
    Well good for you. You had your child and I am sure you are happy. But the point I"M trying to make is I didn`t want one. Yes there is adoption but you need to birth a child before it can be adopted. And I wasn`t ready for childbirth, pregnancy, or childrearing.
    I don`t understand why people always think "oh you can just give the kid up for adoption". It isn`t always raising a child that is the problem. Maybe some people don`t feel like going through birth and labor. I don`t get why once you are pregnant that is supposed to be "it".
    I`m not saying it should be an answer for everything like women that go and have 5 or 6 abortions just because they want to. But that is only my personal belief. I still would never push that on someone else and tell them hat they can or can`t do.

    I`m glad you had your child and you felt you were capable enough to go through with it okay. I really am. But i wasn`t and I`m glad I had that choice instead of having the govern

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    keith2 Male 30-39
    2589 posts
    October 3, 2008 at 9:39 pm
    "Maybe some people don`t feel like going through birth and labor. I don`t get why once you are pregnant that is supposed to be "it"."

    GothicQueen you are a whore and a murderer. You want to whore it up but don`t want to pay the consequences. Those unborn babies are freakin humans. I think you need to be aborted.

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    GothicQueen Male 13-17
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    October 3, 2008 at 9:39 pm
    (continued) the government make it make it for me*

  52. Profile photo of GothicQueen
    GothicQueen Male 13-17
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    October 3, 2008 at 9:40 pm
    yes. i`m a whore. Since the man i was pregnant with i`m still with after almost 3 years and am now engaged to but yes i`m a whore :-) YAY
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    keith2 Male 30-39
    2589 posts
    October 3, 2008 at 10:05 pm
    Yes, whores have unprotected sex then kill the child. It doesn`t have to be with multiple partners. You make me sick to know theres more of you whorish baby killers out there. For f*cks sake woman, take birth control. Stop the killing. I hope all those dead babies haunt your dreams. And you don`t even feel bad about it is the worst part. You think this is ok. You`re sick.
  54. Profile photo of GothicQueen
    GothicQueen Male 13-17
    4376 posts
    October 3, 2008 at 10:16 pm
    keith you..have seriously made my night lol
  55. Profile photo of GothicQueen
    GothicQueen Male 13-17
    4376 posts
    October 3, 2008 at 10:18 pm
    and for your information...not like it`s really any of your business at all but I actually WAS on birth control but apparently the medication i`m on decreases its effect. I honestly didn`t know this and i didn`t even find out until the obstetrician told me. So now I don`t take the pill anymore. So condoms are basically my only protection.

    But yeah... you are entitled to your opinion but still...lmao you`re funny

  56. Profile photo of keith2
    keith2 Male 30-39
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    October 3, 2008 at 10:38 pm
    So use the damn condom. How else can I make this clear to you, you can`t just have sex and get rid of the baby. I`m just as liberal as the next guy but abortion is where I draw the line. You keep trying to go around the fact that you killed an unborn child. You keep making light of the situation with things like "keith you..have seriously made my night lol " You keep making excuses like "but I actually WAS on birth control but apparently the medication i`m on decreases its effect." You just won`t take responsibility for your actions. If there was a hell you`d be going to it for sure. My girl uses birth control but we`ve decided if it doesn`t happen to work, well looks like we`ll have a baby. Our fault. Killing an unborn child should be a crime punishible by death. Even in rape cases, its wrong. Wrong. You are wrong.
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    GothicQueen Male 13-17
    4376 posts
    October 3, 2008 at 10:54 pm
    Well I do`t think it`s wrong. You still haven`t told me why I should have a baby.

    Really. Why should I have a kid I don`t want?

    It isn`t up to you. It isn`t up to the government. It`s up to me and me only. If you and your girlfriend want to keep a baby if she gets pregnant then fine. Keep the baby. Don`t get an abortion.

    But why should I or any other woman have to? What gives you the right? Until you know what pregnancy feels like or giving birth feels like then you can preach to me about abortion.

    And for the women that are pro-life they should really just stop getting in to other peoples business. I don`t regret my decision at all and I made the right choice for me. And no amount of name calling is going to fix that. I already got enough of that just getting into the clinic in the first place. I don`t care what some guy on the internetz calls me.

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    keith2 Male 30-39
    2589 posts
    October 3, 2008 at 11:05 pm
    Are you missing the point or are you just that dumb? Is this just going over your head? "Why should I have a kid I don`t want?" Simple answer, YOU HAD SEX. You have all the choice in the world to do it all day and all night. But once sperm meets egg, that makes a human. You can`t kill people, so why should you be able to kill and unborn one? It matters not that you "don`t want" to have it. The fact is, you knew what happens when you have sex, and the risks that are involved. What gives you the right to kill the kid? Its just the same as your mom saying, oh I`m tired of having a daughter, so I`m going to go to her and blow her brains out. ITS THE SAME THING. I think the government has every right to make sure irresponsible women, like you, can`t murder their unborn children. Conversation over. I`m going to bed, so go ahead get your last pathetic words in. They don`t matter. I won`t read them.
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    GothicQueen Male 13-17
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    October 3, 2008 at 11:16 pm
    Alright then...so instead of words

    good night darling :-)

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    Dragonlord Male 18-29
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    October 4, 2008 at 12:35 am
    "They both, on the surface, did good..."
    Grammar fail in the first five seconds. Nice.

    Has anyone else seen pictures of aborted fetuses? They sorta look like gummy bears. Which brings up the question: Do you bite the head off first, or eat it whole?

  61. Profile photo of GothicQueen
    GothicQueen Male 13-17
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    October 4, 2008 at 1:12 am
    V....I think it`s the head first
  62. Profile photo of yellowsquare
    yellowsquare Female 18-29
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    October 4, 2008 at 1:52 am
    "GothicQueen you are a whore and a murderer."

    I`m a couple hours late on this, but I have to say something.

    keith2, that was so uncalled for. I`m glad you`ve become the Piety Police and are so clear of conscience and sin that YOU can call out the wrong-doers and even condemn them. We need more people like you...

    As GothicQueen explained, she was in a committed relationship and was using protection. How dare you accuse her of being a whore when she was being just as careful as the next woman not to become pregnant? Retroactively calling her out on her "failure" to use a condom does not solve anything.

    I can`t believe the arrogance some of you people display, assuming that GothicQueen and other women like her made the decision recklessly and without a second thought. It is without a question one of the most difficult decisions a woman could ever make in her lifetime.

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    yellowsquare Female 18-29
    1545 posts
    October 4, 2008 at 1:54 am
    And about the adoption issue:

    Pregnancy is expensive (prenatal care is astronomical) and can be physically dangerous to the woman`s body. It`s not a walk in the park, nor is it easily afforded.

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    yellowsquare Female 18-29
    1545 posts
    October 4, 2008 at 2:04 am
    GothicQueen, those simple-minded and arrogant pricks can suck it. I commend you for exercising your right to choose.
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    GothicQueen Male 13-17
    4376 posts
    October 4, 2008 at 2:05 am
    thank you :-)
  66. Profile photo of starrstreet
    starrstreet Female 18-29
    401 posts
    October 4, 2008 at 7:05 am
    If you are against abortion, don`t get one. Listen to what Joe Biden said about it in his interview with Katie Couric, pretty interesting if you think about it. As the trimesters progress they become more and more of governments concern.

    Common... a little ball of cells you can hardly see with your own eye counts as a person? Yeah it has potential to be a person but so do all the eggs in my body, which is the reason some people are against contraception.

    To me a person has to have feelings, emotions, thoughts, motives etc. or their just a shell. Which is why I am not against pulling a plug when a human is past the point of recovering from brain damage if they can`t think, or be able to do basic involuntary functions such as breathing without help.

    My family had to do it with my baby sister and it was very sad but my dad realized that it would be a very selfish and painful thing on the family to keep her on life support for the rest of her "life."

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    starrstreet Female 18-29
    401 posts
    October 4, 2008 at 7:11 am
    Everyone in here try to understand that people have reasons that are as valid as yours for not wanting to have a baby. I respect that you do perceive it as a person and of course you would never have an abortion. If I saw a fetus early in its development as a person I would probably agree with you, but I don`t. There is nothing we can do to change each others mind and I am not trying to change yours. I am just asking for people to understand why there has to be a choice since there is such a broad spectrum on what defines a person that everyone in this country could ever come to an agreement on.

    Just because you believe that it is a person in the way we are doesn`t mean I do. Please try to respect that I believe this through much thinking and evaluation of the topic as do many others.

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    starrstreet Female 18-29
    401 posts
    October 4, 2008 at 7:20 am
    GothicQueen, you did nothing wrong at all according to my person morals and definition of what constitutes a person. Doesn`t mean that others wouldn`t see this as such but I wish they would respect and understand that we don`t all think the same way.

    It was definitely not the same as shooting your daughter after feeling like you don`t want to take care of her anymore. Important difference? The daughter that person described had developed a sense of self, had morals, thoughts, feelings, aspirations, goals, conscious will to live... do you see where I`m going with this?

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    chacha2000 Female 18-29
    16 posts
    October 4, 2008 at 8:45 am
    I must chime in again.

    To those who support pro-choice:

    Remember that your mother could`ve taken the abortion route, BUT SHE DIDN`T.

    Do you think your mother thought of you as less than a person once she knew she was carrying you???

    Turn the tables on yourselves and realize that if YOUR MOTHER chose ABORTION then you wouldn`t be around.

    Do you think God (or whatever higher being you subscribe to) will take the line, "But it is MY body" as a good argument for denying an unborn child his/her life?

    Yes...it`s "your" body, your choice. We humans have free will. We can choose RIGHT or choose WRONG.

    Now ask yourselves is it right or wrong to choose death/suppression of life????

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    starrstreet Female 18-29
    401 posts
    October 4, 2008 at 9:53 am
    chacha, you missed the entire point of my posts...

    Everyone has different definitions of right and wrong. So you cannot answer that question that simply. Everyone has a definition definition of when human life has begun. I believe human life begins after a conscious will to live. Sense of self is a huge factor I put into whether something is a person or not.

    Have an open mind and try to understand that your opinion is yours and try not to push it on others or judge them. They came to different conclusions with the same in depth thinking that you did. That is why there must be a choice.

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    starrstreet Female 18-29
    401 posts
    October 4, 2008 at 10:12 am
    Also you`re assuming everyone believes in some sort of god which is a terrible assumption to make because there are still many of those who do not.

    If "god" gave us free will then he has never taken any choice we could make off the table. You taking this choice away, does that make you better than god? You think you know more than god did when he gave us that choice? Are you saying he is wrong for doing so? You think you are really in the position of passing judgment on others? You want to take away a choice from others that god didn`t even do?

    Protest it all you want, go outside Planned Parenthood until the day you die, but try to impose and mandate your belief through the government? What would god think about that? Doesn`t the bible say something along the lines that the government is of man and not of him.

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    GothicQueen Male 13-17
    4376 posts
    October 4, 2008 at 11:42 am
    Well chacha..if my mother had aborted me...guess what? I WOULDN`T CARE because I wouldn`t be here. In my belief in reincarnation and that the soul can choose who it wants it parents to be on the other side I most likely would`ve found a different parent or I would`ve waited until my mother was ready to have me.
    But if you believe that there is nothing before birth or after death then I guess I wouldn`t have existed and as I said before wouldn`t care.
    Saying "well would if your mom had aborted you?" is pretty much almost the same thing as saying "would if your parents hadn`t bumped uglies and accidentally created you".
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    chica3233 Female 18-29
    5 posts
    October 4, 2008 at 12:54 pm
    you anti abortion people are so obnoxious. As far as my body goes, if i choose to have sex with someone it is my choice and my right. Obviously that sex will be protected, but as gothicgirl has said, protection is not foolproof. If i ever got pregnant, i would not hesitate to get an abortion, because i am not in a position to raise a child. The kid would have a miserable life. Im twenty, i cant be a parent. If you dont want an abortion, THAN DONT GET ONE. Raise your baby. Do whatever the drat YOU want. But let me do whatever I want too. There are enough unwanted children in the world, imagine how that number will go up if abortion is illegal. No doubt getting an abortion isnt easy, no one is saying that it is a means of birth control, or that its something you can do casually and feel no emotional repercussions from. But respect other peoples decisions. And for all you creepy christians out there, if abortions are so bad, than why did god create them?
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    GothicQueen Male 13-17
    4376 posts
    October 4, 2008 at 2:11 pm
    Also I know this topic is dying down a bit now but I just think I Should mention why do people think if abortion is suddenly illegal it will miraculously "make me do the right thing".

    Cause the actuality of it, is that all it is going to do is cause more women having children that are not fit to be parents. Moire people living on welfare, more children being put up for adoption, more children being put into foster care because not every unwanted child is adopted.

    You can guarentee the ones who are adopted or put into foster care will be put in loving caring families. My own father was in foster care his whole life, he never even learned to read or write and he is in his 40`s because no one bothered to help him. My little brother on the other hand is lucky. Yes my little brother I will most likely NEVER meet was put up for adoption when he was born but thank god my mother actually picked out the parents and everything ahead of time so he didn`t rot in an orphanage.

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    GothicQueen Male 13-17
    4376 posts
    October 4, 2008 at 2:15 pm
    (continued from bottom)

    And as for health wise for women, If abortions ar illegal not only would it hurt the unwanted children and god only knows if the rate of post partum depression and psycosis would go up and cause more breakdowns and women murdering their children after birth.

    Then there are the women that will STILL try to abort anyway. They will do whateverthey can to be rid of the pregnancy whther they punch themselves in the stomach, order abortion pills offline, swallow poison, or insert objects inside of them to break apart the pregnancy OR seek out illegal abortionists that have no idea what they are doing most likely and have the woman die of infection.


    But yes by all means making abortion illegal with solve all of our problems and make women "realize their mistakes in the eyes of God".


    please.

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    Cashcleaner Male 18-29
    319 posts
    October 4, 2008 at 2:49 pm
    Good thing we have a morally-upstanding individual like Karl Rove who can set the record straight for the American electorate free of any political bias. I mean, if you can`t trust Karl, who can you trust?


    Can you guys believe I was able to type all that out without laughing?

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    crackemonium Male 18-29
    21 posts
    October 4, 2008 at 6:48 pm
    ok, so let`s see how you pro- choice people take this: a set of say, 16 cells. you call it human life? what part of it makes it human? what part of it makes it ALIVE? sure, potential, but the virtual boy had bleeping potential. if you call terminating 16 cells murder than why don`t you go right ahead and make killing paramecia illegal while you`re at it.
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    crackemonium Male 18-29
    21 posts
    October 5, 2008 at 8:07 am
    oops, i meant to say anti-choice
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    KingofFreaks Male 18-29
    123 posts
    October 5, 2008 at 9:13 am
    It all comes down to one thing.
    Palin is mental.
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    skyblue_15 Female 18-29
    193 posts
    October 8, 2008 at 8:42 pm
    IAB actually put something up from fox news?

    Fail.

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