Intelligence Linked to Vegetarianism

Submitted by: natakalt 9 years ago in
http://www.livescience.com/healthday/600136.html

We might as well check both sides of the story...
There are 109 comments:
Male 319
ScytheofLuna, I suggest you go to any Vegan/Vegetarian forum and see what they really think of us meat-eaters. I bet you`ll find perhaps even more venom there than you do here.
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Male 432
I`m omnivorous, and always will be, but I`ve been thinking about pork lately... What pigs go through is actually really messed up. They`re more intelligent than cats and dogs and that kind of bugs me. Chickens get abused really badly, too, but how the hell am I supposed to give up KFC? I really just like meat too much. I`d never give up beef because from what I hear, they`re just shot in the head really quickly, and they live on the open range much of the time. Plus I love prime rib... *drools*
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Male 33
A man is characterized by his actions and not by his choices in diet. You seriously need a moment of self examination if you truly believe that eating bacon and steak makes you a man. Many ignorant destructive idiots have subsisted on meat, and we all know that certain historical figures of ill repute have been vegetarian as well. It`s a dietary choice, and sometimes an ethical choice but it shouldn`t be the single defining characteristic in any person. Get over yourself and go enjoy your bacon, but perhaps you should attempt to defend your behaviour with a little tact and common sense rather than personal attacks and bad grammar. Poorly framed pseudo-science and cursing just makes you look like a fool. When you behave defensively it means that you really do believe that you`re in the wrong, and that you`re compensating.
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Male 33
Wow, really? Eating meat combats global warming? Really? Surely you jest. Otherwise you`re forgetting the millions of acres of rain forests being leveled to make way for land to graze cattle to support the beef industry, or the huge quantities of methane being released into the atmosphere by said cattle. If you`re perspective on what it means to live is embodied in the act of eating pig carcass, I pity you. My manhood is in no way threatened by the fact that I subsist on salad and peanut butter. My genitalia doesn`t shrivel because I enjoy veggie burgers and food products that weren`t derived from animal carcasses. If that`s your justification for eating meat, it`s pretty flimsy, and I doubt that all carnivores are as shallow as you. As for the environmental impact of vegetarianism, we don`t eat trees, or subsist on anything that has a broader growing cycle than one year. Anything we eat is a renewable crop that grows again each year. Your logic is nonexistent.
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Female 134
You know, all I`m going to say in response to that is the following:
I find it hilarious, if disturbing, that vegetarians are all portrayed as these militant, totalitarian snobs who think that they are better than everyone else, and that everyone should follow them and do as they do. Yet, I`ve not seen one statement like that on this board from any of the people who consider themselves vegetarian. Rather, those who are NOT veggie are the ones saying that everyone else is wrong, that we should all conform to their standards, and anyone who does not is foolish at best.
Very interesting, indeed...
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Male 1,089
f_uck vegitarians i don`t care if u think i`m offensive but this is bs. meat is fine meat is good, meat is what makes a man a man. if u have never had bacon you have never truly lived is what i like to say. the general response is "ya but think how many animals are killed in cruel ways for you to have that bacon." to which i respond "ur eating the plants that produce oxygen and negate global warming so wth?"
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Male 342
When I saw at first thought it meant they go into comas.
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Female 62
I don`t get it. How can you be a vegetarian if you eat fish or chicken? That would be a pescetarian or a pollotarian.
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Female 134
Well, Backfat, I think it is natural for people to be offended when someone personally attacks them for a choice they`ve made in their lives that hurts no one. This is often the case with vegetarians - as I`m sure you`ve seen from the responses to the last 2 articles on the subject. There are some truly venomous responses to vegetarianism and a great deal of general mockery and stereotyping (both here and IRL). That, I think, is what people get so worked up about; and I think it is perfectly reasonable for them to feel that way.
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Female 288
hells yea! go veggies!!! :-D
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Male 1,894
I guess that is all I was trying to say yesterday, but apparently used the wrong words.
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Male 1,894
It seems wierd to me that so many people take this so seriously.
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Female 134
I do what I can, Alice. :)
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Male 151
I`m a veggie and all that, not a big deal. But the title of this link is misleading. The title insinuates that vegetarianism increases intelligence. The article however just states that people that were already smart have healthier diets. So the debate is not fair anymore. :-(

" and 33.6 percent said they were vegetarian but also ate fish or chicken." I still don`t understand why people think that eating these types of flesh don`t make you an omnivore.

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Female 5,139
Assimilate13 you just made me happy again :)
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Female 134
Just wanted to chime in for a sec: Alice, you`re absolutely right, imo. It is really strange that there are so many generalizations and stereotypes about vegetarians. I`ve been veggie for 16 years, I`ve never pushed it on anyone, never called someone a horrible person for consuming meat, I don`t act like an as$hole snob about it - it`s simply something that I do. My brain isn`t shrinking, my bad cholesterol level is incredibly low, good cholesterol level reasonably high, good blood pressure, etc, etc, etc. There is nothing unhealthy about a veg diet as long as you do it correctly - making sure you get all the nutrients you need. There is nothing inherently unhealthy about a diet that contains meat either, as long as you do it correctly as well - monitoring cholesterol and fat intake, etc. I`m sorry if people have had bad experiences with people who are vegetarian, but, please don`t generalize! I don`t try to make meat-eaters feel like poo, and all I ever ask is for the same!
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Male 41
I was called a douchebag for my post and the bastard didn`t even read it. :( He just saw that it was long and assumed I was self righteous. THat makes me sad. I`m not even a veetarian for the same reasons.
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Female 5,139
"Wednesday, September 17, 2008 4:07:25 AM
alice x.. i agree. there are alot of ignorant people out there. sad."

im glad you dont generlize people like everyone else seems to be doing around here.. its upsetting. and yeah, it is sad :(

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Male 72
well, what can you do right? its tough to try and fight ignorance with logic.. i say; its ignorance if they dont know, but its stupidity if the evidence is there and they ignore it.
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Female 5,139
"Wednesday, September 17, 2008 4:07:25 AM
alice x.. i agree. there are alot of ignorant people out there. sad."

im glad you dont generlize people like everyone else seems to be doing around here.. its upsetting. and yeah, it is sad :(

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Male 72
alice x.. i agree. there are alot of ignorant people out there. sad.
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Female 5,139
r...saying althis poo is just...cruel to them, and makes it harder for them to make the choice.
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Female 5,139
People are basically saying, all vegetareans are snobs, and all vegetareans try to force it on others.
I don`t know anyone who has ever done that, ever... all i know is, in the time i was vegetarean, nobody agreed with me, except my vegetarean friends, everyone else told me it was bad for me, that i shouldnt be doing it, that we are meant to eat animals...and so on. When i stopped being vegetarean, everyone else shut up and my veggie friends were supportive of it.
So naturally, it pisses me off that people are generalizing a whole group of people into snobbish arsehats, when my group of veggie friends were actually the only fully understanding ones i had back then...so...
and WHAT exactly IS everyone problem with people who care about animals, seriously... if someone doesnt want to eat an animal because THEY dont agree with it, it is their choice...wtf do you have to do with it, mmm?
leave them alone, its so frustrating trying to make that decision, and it isnt easy eithe
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Male 72
"I love how a lot of vegans are all about saving the planet when, in fact, they are eating the things (plants) that we need to survive and breathe.
But, I feel they were put on this earth for entertainment for the carnivores"

wow, way to be a foocking moron! most of the oxygen we have on this earth coming from plants comes from zooplankton in the ocean.. not the foocking veggies and fruit you stupid foock!

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Male 72
people with high IQ tend to become veggie heads.. not veggie heads have high IQ`s. just because you dont eat meant doesnt qualify you as an intelligent person.
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Female 5,139
-sigh-
theres no point nobody listens anyway.
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Male 778
All these two things prove is this;

You should restrict neither plenty of veggies/fruits NOR meats. As not enough mean causes your brain to shrink after extensive dieting and not enough veggies doesn`t help your brain deform.

There is a reason we humans are OMNIVORES! we require the vitamins from ALL the things on our edible list. Fruits, meats, dairies, vegetables, cereals, and so forth.

People freak out "I`m a vegetarian because eating meat is wrong." Uh- No.. you`re just a stereotypical doltz jumping on the band wagon. Since the dawn of man we have eaten meat. Just as if given the chance animals would consume us. It is natural. In the same we need greens to survive just as much as we need reds

END. OF. STORY.

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Male 513
Most vegetarians that I`ve met are idiots. Sure, some of them can actually hold an intelligent conversation with me about why they don`t eat meat, which are the ones that give me the "healthy" excuse, but the ones that cry that it`s cruel to animals are the same ones that also eat fish and eggs. How can anyone expect to take these idiots seriously? Grow the f*ck up and eat some dam* meat, treehuggers!
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Male 94
i live in Santa Cruz, believe me when i say there are a pooe ton of different types of vegetarians. some are dippoos and some are intelligent, at my school they`re mostly dippoos though..
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Male 94
worst thing to do is just replace meat with cheese, a lot of my friends got fat for a month doing that.

i became vegetarian without any coaching when i was in high-school, so i probably don`t qualify for the high IQ bit.

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Male 319
Scientists have also discovered a direct link between people who are pretentious and annoying snobs and vegetarianism.

And yeah, like Lapin said: If you eat fish or chicken, you`re NOT a vegetarian.

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Male 48
Something that got to me was

`33.6 percent said they were vegetarian but also ate fish or chicken` -- you aren`t technically a vegetarian if you eat fish or chicken so I don`t know why it`s included with the vegetarian/vegan group.

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Male 48
keith2: You have no idea what you`re talking about, or maybe it`s just sarcasm. A proper vegetarian/vegan diet is much healthier if people balance it out carefully and vegetarians/vegans are most likely to live to an old age.

I`ve been vegetarian for around 4-5 years and am loving it, seeing meat makes me feel queasy and sick. Your post is interesting, landfritter. :-)

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Male 2,591
there is nothing healthy about cutting meat from your diet. its actually quite un-healthy.
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Male 43
i knew i was a genius!
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Male 882
we were given a big brain for a reason. we use it to kill stupid things and eat them. there is your nature.
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Male 7
"Nothing will benefit human health and increase chances for survival of life on Earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian diet." -Albert Einstein.

I usually don`t post at all, because I think a lot of people are morons, but do your research before you think vegetarianism is bad.

I myself have been a vegetarian for almost a year now, and I know that my diet is much better than my vegan friends` diets. They snack on junk food all day. I became a vegetarian for health, the environment, and because I don`t think that we have the right to take the lives of animals when there are plenty of other means of feeding ourselves. Animals are friends, not food.

If nature intended for us to eat meat, why are are we so slow, weak, and lack claws teeth or other means of killing things by ourselves? Why do we have more molar-like teeth than dagger-like teeth? We have capabilities to eat meat in harder times(harsh winters, drought, etc) but clearly, that wasn`t our intended purpose.

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Male 882
as a self-proclaimed genius, i am an omnivore. vegetables are cool, fruits are better, but meat is king!!!
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Male 332
Correlation != causality. There could be a third factor affecting both. Forgetting this mantra is why scientific discoveries are always blown way out of proportion by the media.
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Male 2,553
umm... im going to side with the one that says it shrinks the brain because, something like this is usually the rainbow unicorn researchers that make everything seem perfect.
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Male 136
"Another expert agreed that a vegetarian diet is healthy".

Lucky we have scientists to tell us the obvious. Could another one tell me if the earth is flat or round? I forgot.

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Male 1,002
You know, landfritter, that giant, steaming pile of self-righteous douchebaggery you just dropped almost makes me want to start eating meat again. Go circle-jerk with PETA all you want, but just don`t go bragging about it on the internet. That`s what makes people hate vegetarians.
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Male 41
Haha. That was more than anything a joke. Here, I`ll change it to the one where I met Jeffery Donovan from Burn Notice.
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Male 375
Landfritter, if you are so smart, why are you unable to use a camera to take your own picture?
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Male 1,835
score 1 katman!
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Male 41
I am a vegetarian, but an interesting one at that. I am 14 years of age, and in my life, I have eaten four meals containing meat. I can list them: meatloaf, at my aunt Lynnie`s house; chicken nuggets, twice, from McDonald`s; and bacon at the Peabody hotel in Memphis. Before I ate meat those times, my temperature rose, and I became violently nauseous. To add to that, my parents both eat meat, and wish I would. I was actually diagnosed with acute carnephobia (irrational fear of meat) by a professional psychologist. I actually get dizzy while my blood pressure drops if I am even near meat. I don`t eat food that touched meat. I also go to Pine View School for the Gifted, which has an IQ requirement of 130. So I am, from a legal perspective, smart. So it seems that, at least in my case, it is ridiculous to say it is unnatural to be a vegetarian. I was born with a certain mind, one that is both efficient, and wary of meat. Thanks for reading.
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Female 5,139
Ghost. you need to stop commenting on what other people have decided in their own lives... aswel as everyone else.
being vegetarean isnt a sin. its a choice.. thats all...why does everyeone seem to hate it so much
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Male 1,853
holy poo she is TRASHED.
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Male 12,138
Ghost... are you... drunk?
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Male 2,076
this study was done over 20 years...exclusively in england? well..that says something right there. lol
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Female 386
Stupid vegies...
Most of them are terrorists anyway...
and because of the low level of intelligence caused by smaller brains I will explain:
Terrorists are people who scare or terrorize others as a way to share their own views...

now that we got that out of the way:

Humans are drating mammals, who are animals.
just like dogs are canines, who are mammals who are animals.

Im sick of the inhumane poo
if human=mammal=animal
then
INANIMAL
OR INANIMANE
MAKES NO SENSE?
BECAUSE THERE ISNT SUCH THING.

Humans are not herbivores.
Deer and Elephants are
Humans are omnivors, we eat both.
If we didnt NEED TO eat meat then our system would HERBIVORE.
And we woundnt WANT to eat meat... ALL OF US.. not 1% of us...

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Female 472
I love how a lot of vegans are all about saving the planet when, in fact, they are eating the things (plants) that we need to survive and breathe.

But, I feel they were put on this earth for entertainment for the carnivores.

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Male 375
mmmmmmm.....
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Female 5,139
chicka woooow.....chicka...chicka....bow chicka wow wooow
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Male 1,182
chica chica wow wow
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Male 1,182
lol i just think its funny that people say "killing animals inhumanly" or use any form of the word human when referring to the slaughter of animals
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Male 776
actually, some girls love bein eatin..

bow chicka wow wow

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Male 1,182
okay end of argument vegetarians are dumb and Snivellus nobody would want to be eaten no matter what way there killed maybe you should come up with a way to kill millions of animals effectively and humanly then you can talk
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Female 5,139
"Tuesday, September 16, 2008 6:51:12 PM
Let`s listen to Alice.
* shuts up and skips out of forum *"

thats so funny i almost didnt laugh.

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Male 776
whatever is the result of this study (i think its total bullpoo n e way but w/e)

i DO know that

DELICIOUSNESS is linked to MEAT! esp a good old culvers butterburger, those rock!

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Female 602
Let`s listen to Alice.
* shuts up and skips out of forum *
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Male 1,182
i think there`s more of a correlation between smart people thinking there better then other people therefor the natural thing for them to do is become a vegetarian...
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Female 5,139
AahNold i think i just fell in wuv.. o.O
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Male 375
Peanuts and soy are good sources of protein, soy makes some people gassy tho. there is no such thing as a complete plant protein, a little fish can take care of that plus you get omega-3 EPA and DHA that are VERY good for your heart.
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Female 5,139
"Tuesday, September 16, 2008 6:44:48 PM
where the hell do you people get your protien? penuts? soy? i guess its okay as long as your not doing "for those poor animals""

hey! its ok guys.. supersai20 aproves of your life choice!! ....you can come out now!!..

...seriously get off at this stop.

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Female 602
Supersai...
Doing it for the poor animals is one of the main reasons people go vegetarian. Other reasons are that people don`t like the taste of meat or health concerns...

And what`s wrong with doing it for animals? Would you like to be hung upside down and break both of your legs, thrown in a paralyzing bath (but miss) and have your throat slit?

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Male 1,182
and I stand for eating and killing animals its as simple as that
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Male 105
where the hell do you people get your protien? penuts? soy? i guess its okay as long as your not doing "for those poor animals"
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Male 375
good for you nads13, when I was 12 I was writing code for hi-res graphics on my apple 2E and I was not a vegetarian.
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Male 2,313
Jellyfish would be so nasty.
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Female 5,139
it really bugs me when people say being veggie is unhealthy...
if anything, its more healthy having limitations to certain foods...it stopped me from eating junk, because almost everything had meat product in it.
and parents dont go "ooooh thats unhealthy" everytime you eat something like chips.. or bacon... people just dont like it when you stand for something like, not eating animals...for some reason it irritates them, i have no idea why...but its so true. my dad made a funny joke cos i said i cant eat anything with a face, and he said.. "what about jellyfish" and then i was like..why would i wanna eat a jellyfish lmao
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Female 151
I`m 15, a strict vegetarian, and taking college math classes. I fit right into the stats! :)
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Female 602
AahNold,
Ohh sorry... I only slept four hours yesterday...
I`m feeling fuzzy...

Alice, you had some good friends then...
My friend was bothered by me becoming vegetarian because she thought I was trying to copy her...

My mom doesn`t want me to be veggie because she says it`s unhealthy...

I still try to eat as little meat as possible.

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Male 375
Thats calles neurotic
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Female 5,139
"thats why I said vegans and strict vegetarians"

...yeah one of them wont even get a veggie pastie from a bakers because its been prepared near meat... thats not strict?

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Male 375
thats why I said vegans and strict vegetarians
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Female 602
AahNold,
Well, some vegetarians aren`t as strict as others. Some eat fish, but no other animal, while others choose not to eat fish either...

Some are ok with eating gelatin, while other aren`t.

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Female 5,139
infact...that proves it...well for my friends at least, i have 4 vegetarean friends..and none of them were angry, or even bothered at all about me giving up being veggie... they were supportive when i became veggie, and they were fine with me stopping. and im gonna do it again when i buy my own food. i try not to eat too much meat...whatever is given to me..i eat, but when i make my own food i try to have very little to no meat
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Male 2,313
Not liking someone because they don`t eat meat is pretty close minded in itself.
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Male 375
I don`t mean pushy, just that some of them that I have met think that they are moralty superior because of their beliefs. I know vegetables are good for you but adding a little bit of chicken and fish are very beneficial to your diet.
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Male 12,138
vv "well one of my friends is a vegitarian and her lowest grade is a 96"

Well, my grandfather was a chain-smoking alcoholic and he lived till 89. One anecdote don`t maketh the stat, Tommy.

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Female 5,139
AahNold thats just your experience, most of my friends are veggies, and they arnt close minded at all...i was vegetarean for quite a while, but i stopped because i dont live at home anymore, and my parents dont buy my food...guilt..thing, but all i got was hassle and nasty comments from other people about why i would want to, and it doesnt make a difference, and so on... all of the vegetareans ive ever met, are never pushy about it... its the people who eat meat who constantly ask pointless questions, because they dont agree. It should be the persons choice, and thats final...
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Male 375
I wouldn`t worry about it to much alice, he`s just a boy anyway
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Female 15,763
Alice, not necessarily. That`s for vegetarians that are healthy. A surprising amount think they can replace plain lettuce with the meat in their diet.

NOT healthy.

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Female 5,139
"Tuesday, September 16, 2008 6:13:33 PM
Uh oh, Alice is mad! -hides-"

hahaha im not mad xD... much...
just bugs me when people make such close-minded comment, you cant not like someone JUST because they have made a choice not to eat meat...thats ridiculous..

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Male 375
Most vegan and strict vegetarians I know are the closed minded ones, thinking that they are some how more noble for not eating meat. Actually believing that it is more ethical to be a vegetarian, I guess up until the last century everyone was just a bunch of asses for eating meat.
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Male 2,313
Uh oh, Alice is mad! -hides-
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Male 375
you promise?
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Female 5,139
its just a shame that some people have a bad reaction to not having meat in their diet. and they want to be vegetarian.. that sucks, and if anyone says such a close-minded comment as "Can`t stand vegetarians" ill personally give you a good drating slap. you twit.
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Male 253
If a smart person wrote the article they`d know that correlation does not imply causation, and thus this argument isn`t an argument at all.

Plus, there seem to be a LOT of missing factors (as it always happens with experiments), including societal impacts (kids who are 30 now would have gone through the 90s and been adults during all the new health fads, implying that they could easily have been swept into vegetarianism as a fad). I don`t buy it, especially since you can probably gather up the brightest minds in the world and find that a majority probably are not vegetarian, in the sense that they take part in eating meat.

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Female 5,139
its obviously gonna be good for you, naturally you eat more vegetables, and fruit..because there is less choice of food... beans and rice, pasta and so on.
food with high nutrition value and low calorie count, high in iron and all the vitamins...so it makes sense really.
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Male 223
Well this makes perfect sense. I had an extremely high IQ as a child. I became a vegetarian. That obviously shrunk my brain, `cause now I eat meat again.

See? There is a perfectly reasonable explanation for everything.

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Female 667
I`m really smart (if I do say so myself) and half my family are vegitarians
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Male 2,313
"KX250F

Can`t stand vegetarians"

Obviously intimidated by their superior intelligence.

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Male 489
i`d be a vegetarian if i could afford it.

I`m not shedding out £1.80 for 2 sausage rolls when i go to the shop, when i could get 8 for £0.75

just cannot afford as a student.

oh wells, soon they`ll be growing meat in labs so all will be good.

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Female 602
techgeek, one of them was taught by her parents... the other decided to copy her (she didn`t even last two weeks)...
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Female 5,139
"Tuesday, September 16, 2008 5:58:01 PM
Can`t stand vegetarians"

way to be an asshat.

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Male 2,592
people don`t normally buy the food for the family in middle school
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Male 264
Can`t stand vegetarians
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Male 2,592
Sniv, If they were vegy in middle school, it was most likely taught to them by their parents. It wasn`t a conscious choice, it was the way it had been for them
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Female 4,039
Ugh! I was just reading some of the comments from the veggie brain-shrinking debate. Not helping my boredom. :(
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Male 475
well one of my friends is a vegitarian and her lowest grade is a 96
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Female 15,763
THANK you for bringing both sides.

Though I`m very very not vegetarian. xD

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Male 2,313
You can make random correlations between anything, it doesn`t mean one leads to the other.
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Female 602
But what about the stupid vegetarians? * points out stupid "friends" *

This information is pretty cool...
I have noticed that there were a lot more vegetarians when I went to a middle school program meant for intelligent kids.

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Female 134
I`m a carnivor, and I am smart too.
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Male 2,592
Yea, but, they`re all gay.... j/k everyone...
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Female 675
or as a very intelegent shirt i once saw says vegans and vegitarians were the village idiots because they didnt know how to hunt or fish.

haha but naw im not THAT mean

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Female 1,697
Link: Intelligence Linked to Vegetarianism [Rate Link] - We might as well check both sides of the story...
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