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If more people had proper education in the US, election results would probably be very different. You have no idea how the world laugh at your presidential campaign. Problem is that it is a short and sad laugh, because consequences never fails to follow.
Again, don`t get me wrong. The US is a great country, but most of its people did not receive a proper education that allow them to think by themself. When you can`t think, someone else do it for you at his advantage. And this has happened for decades... US talking about freedom is just like Saddam talking about human rights, pathetic.
You invade their country, they defend themselves. Terrorist or resistant is just a matter of point of view, History will decide. But these guys aint threatening any American at home, they just want your troops out of theirs.
However, this is giving plenty of reasons (good or bad, I am not judging anything) to all extremist around to world to plot against the US.
So no, the war in Iraq doesnt make anybody safer in the US. And the bottom line is that most of intelligence around the world agree to say that the main nest of terrorist threats seats in Arabi Saudia. They are also the only one to be able to fund terrorist actions, do you really think Saddam had the money to raise Islamic armys? No, he couldn`t even afford firepower for his own official army.
But hey, you need Saudi Arabia`s oil don`t you... And your governement perfectly knows that.
Iraq is the perfect terrorist haven. It had little to know border security, a weak national government, and geographically easy for radical terrorist organizations to hide in. There was little to know doubt these groups existed in Iraq. I agree with you that the U.S. federal government is hypocritical in saying they are there to defend the Iraqi people and give them a better life, but what we did was send the radical terrorists into hiding from us, which has prevented them from attacking us again. That is why as an an American I feel safer that we are in Iraq. America will be hated by some no matter what, we are over there making sure no one acts on that hatred.
I don`t mean Iraq was a `free` country, but certainly the people can`t justify your action. They did not ask for anything from the US or anybody else. And clearly, US troops are not ultimately there to help on rebuilding Iraq.
Again, US is policing the world. No wonder why those guys burn US flags... Not that I support that, in any way, but I can understand why. If you give someone all the reasons to hate you, you can`t be surprised he end hating you.
Not to mention that the US created Bin Laden, just a ghost from the past...
"buttersrules" I will not share to much information about myself on the web but, I have been around the world in some very unpleasant places. I will say I wish you the peace in your life because you have earned it and you don`t need anyone to say it.
But to say we don`t know about freedom is ignorance. We`re not trying to spread our viewpoints to the Iraqi people. We are keeping ourselves safe. And tell me, just because people to not live in this country, does that mean that it is wrong to look after them and free them from tyranny. Vietnam was a war where we tried to force our views onto others. In Iraq we are spreading freedom, regardless of what the rest of the world thinks.
These topics should be closed to teenagers wathcing Fox News for breakfast...
What do you think you gonna make them free from, extremist and fanatics? D#mb #ss, they never been so powerful since your country doomed Iraq.
Don`t get me wrong, I am not saying Iraq was perfect, or in anyway that I agree or support anything that Saddam Hussein`s goverment has done there.
But for f#ck sake, how can you possibly say that it is better now than it was before? Most of them lost security on the basics: food, water, electricity, security. Their economy is on neutral, not to say reverse -can you tell us who is holding on relaunch oil exploitation by the way?
Your country messed up Iraq much more than it ever has been before. How can you call for freedom?
Whatever if you are a veteran from Iraq, you are a f#cking idiot.
I`m surprised america isnt involved in the georgia vs russia conflict, y`know helping out, making sacrifices etc etc, not like they`re going to iraq for ANY other reason, right?
oh sure "it`s not sponsored by McCain" But it IS sponsored by the 527 groups (political groups that fund advertisement and are legally separate from a candidate.
Dumb asses, anyone that agrees with this should be shot too. I`m curious how many soldiers they had to comb through to find this one guy willing to do this. And best of all he didn`t even tell us his rank or operation. So for all we know he was a drating chef on a boat. Retarded people.
About the comment below me, What`s so wrong with being ashamed/embarassed by your country if it does something stupid? It doesn`t make you unpatriotic or anything... It`s like your dad getting drunk at a thankgiving dinner, you still love him, but it`s still effing embarasssing.
Yes, I am. By following and applying sound economic principals in my personal and professional life the economy may play a small factor in the way one goes about it but, it will not curb my personal success.
Where Iraq comes into play I don`t think we have been forceful enough. Each and every Iraqi citizen should be praying to their god that they are not dead and that they have a chance to pull there crappy lives into the twenty-first century.
Oh ya, I don`t particularly care If a bullet comes out of a place of religious warship of out from behind a rock at a coalition soldier the soldier should be allowed to fire back.
For all those who are ashamed of America you have a convoluted global view of our nation. I encourage you to travel more both inside and outside our nation to get a full perspective of your nat
And the war WAS a mistake, those people wouldnt have died without it.
And stop calling it "eye-rack" its IRAQ, "E-RACK"
that all soldiers are pissed when anybody says that iraq war is a mistake is just natural. they risked their lives, lost friends. nobody wants to hear he did that for a stupid mistake. even if its true.
You forget that those people getting the tax breaks in Obama`s plan are going to be putting that money into the economy right away. Lets just say its 80% who gets those tax breaks, that is 240 million people spending that money and giving it right to businesses.
His tax breaks aren`t going to hurt big businesses as much as you think that they`re going to have to lay off a whole bunch of people!! Or raise inflation that rapidly.
Also small businesses are going to be protected and not hurt by his economic plan.
Alternative - the way it is now, don`t forget that.
And Lee Greenwood? Please.
Too bad they were are all wrong, misleading, socialist, nutroot moonbattery.
Its truly sad that the left has been able to spin things around so much now, That anyone that`s a conservative christian is now considered insane.
So much for the left being tolerant and open-minded.
Well boohoo, in england, by your money, petrol (gas) is over Â£10 a gallon.
that`s why i`m not learning to drive. Too dmaned expensive
an "american" we ALL NEED TO GROW UP, AND STOP BEING SELFISH, GLUTTOUNUS, DESTRUCTIVE PEOPLE. REALIZE WHATS A TRUE THREAT NOT ONELY TO US, BUT THE WORLD AND DO SOMETHING POSITIVE, THAT MAKES A TRUE DIFFERENCE...this war, in 5 years, 10 years, 20 years, or more will NEVER have a positive effect, despite the iraquis who are happy by what we did. there is more than too many people in that country who believe ohter wise, raise family, friends and children to believe other wise and to fight us, and ultimitley attempt to destroy us. drat IT ALL, wether your for mccain or obama, realize the truth, open your eyes, wake up, whatever you wanna call it, just stop being so close minded. w/e it is you take from this message....do what you is right.... by you and other... and most importantley,.....promote peace for everyone
Oh ok, I get it... so that`s why gas was over 4 dollars a gallon then, lol
And Nerd, I agree, I am f*cking awesome.
Kodak moment on IAB.
THE END, now, everyone shut the hell up and get some sleep or go to work or something
History will decide the truth, It wasn`t revealed for a long time that the Nazi Reich was developing nuclear material, So we will see with time.
I don`t hate you Davy, Despite the disagreement.
You say flimsy reasons, I call it bloody good reasons. When I read about the WMDs that Bush promised, that have now been found, in my morning papers tomorrow, then I`ll bend over and clean your shoes Crakr. Until then, I`m calling propaganda bullsh*t.
Anyways, I enjoyed the intelligent debate (seriously, respect, difference of opinions doesn`t equate to mutual hatred, at least I hope). Let`s agree to disagree, and move on as buddies.
No, that is mine.
Thanks for the clarification.
Don`t mind me mate, I`m a little on edge (just like you are with Ike) as we`re trying to get a well back on stream which is costing us about $125,000 per hour for the downtime till we get it drilling again, while we try to figure out what the f*ck went wrong.
I`d like to say good times, but I`d be lying.
Either way, As you should know, Many websites have ads on their sites they may not agree with. You seem to be way to willing to discount news your not willing to hear, For (what i believe to be) flimsy reasons.
I don`t see devout Catholics discounting what they see on CNN, Just because of some possible contraception advertising.
I will certainly grant you that there are far worse atrocities occurring throughout the world than what occurred in Iraq, but you wish to claim our invasion of Iraq was for it`s oil? Let me ask you then, when we drive Saddam and his forces out of Kuwait as we did in the first Golf War, why did we not occupy the oil fields which we had recovered? We certainly could have, but we did not. Why? It has NOTHING to do with oil. Granted, I think GW had a hard-on for Saddam after what Saddam did to his dad, but you Euro-lefites who want to claim it was all because of oil have NOTHING upon which to base this. NOTHING. I find it comical that the same people who want us to have taken action in Rwanda and Darfur are the same people who claim the US acted unilaterally (despite 17 UN resolutions) when we invaded Iraq.
By the way, for reasons I can`t state, I have highly-placed friends in Iraq/Afghanistan/Pakistan who have told me countless ways we have improved Iraq immensely!
All of which I believe is untrue, and decided to refute.
If those above aren`t your opinion then please say so.
-PS the hurricane is hitting land as I type
To get onto the links you provided... I didn`t get past the first one, where the first thing on there was this banner ad:
Which kind of tells me all I need to know about the impartiality of all of your sources. Come back to me when you have something from Reuters, AP, the BBC; hell, any international news agency and we`ll talk.
And finally, Nerd, thanks for the advice, but I`m doing alright over here thanks... I don`t think I`m maing too much of an ass of myself.
I`ve read through the whole thread now and Yeah, I`d have to agree you were being a bit trollish.If stating that bans me, So be it.
I was calling nothing a fact.
I was not representing my opinion (you already got that part).
I was clarifying a misconception that you showed in your post about the other posters and their ideas, using my own observations.
I`m sorry if you took them as facts, but they were not presented as such.
I didn`t read the whole thread from the beginning, Was reacting to what was the last page of comments.
Even so I didn`t out right call her a "Troll", I asked if she was admitting to being one. To which she denied it.
Is it because I`ll stand here and call you on your bullsh*t, so safer to go for a softer target who`s not involved?
WMD`s Found - World News Daily
WMD`s Found - Richard Miniter`s Book "Disinformation"
And for the Coup de grâce..WMD`s Found - Dept. Of Defense
Could`ve cited dozens more... These should suffice.
Crakr, now you`re speculating. Again, in your own time. Credible, multipartite, sourced news of hidden WMDs in Iraq, please.
Waiting for that link. I`ll check in tomorrow, I`m off to bed now.
MIG`s Buried in Iraq
Wouldn`t be hard to bury several hundred barrels out there. They are still finding mines from WW2, Korea, and Vietnam. So lets let history decide.
Prime, please do man. I`ve been on the graveyard shift (Maddog, what`s your excuse?) but I`m going to crash now. It`s all yours mate.
This man, and John Mccain deserve respect, not Barack Obama.
OK, let me throw you another challenge then. If there really were WMDs found in Iraq after all, like your Fox News article claimed, then I would have expected to have heard about it all over the western media. Should have been big news, right? I mean, it would have taken the heat off Bush, Blair, and anyone else who supported the war.
Why didn`t I hear about this monumentous find which justified the invasion? Why wasn`t it plastered all over the BBC, Yahoo News, CBC, CNBC, the world friggin media?
Go and find me the same story, somewhere out there on the interwebz, about how Saddam actually WAS AFTER ALL stockpiling wmds.
I mean outside Faux News. Then I`ll listen.
In your own time.
besides, if we pull out it will be just like vietnam.
Is that what guys want? Where thousands of men died for no reason? I don`t
there`s a suprise
Unless you`re going by some other definition of troll that I`ve never heard of.
Dude, I won`t quote Michael Moore (ultra-headbanger left-wing liberal) and you don`t quote Fox (ultra-headbanger right-wing conservative) and then we`ll be on even ground.
Way to keep an open mind there Davy, NOT
The fact that you believe 100% that we should NOT be in Iraq, does NOT make it true or a fact. It`s merely your personal opinion. The same goes for anyone who believes we SHOULD be in Iraq. Somehow, someway, we need to ALL find a way to respect each other`s opinions.
I suggest you check the history records yourself. The only reason America went to war in Iraq was oil and Daddy issues! Everything else is just a smokescreen. America ran in to save Iraq, but let far worse human atrocities go ignored or un-punished. Iraq isnt a mistake...its the rape of a country.
As for your remark about "the defence of freedom"...well, thats a joke isnt it? If someone attacks my country, I`ll stand up and defend it...but I dont recall Iraq attacking America or the UK.
And Crackr, who`s loving Saddam? Saddam was a first-class c*nt and dictator, just like Robert Mugabe, Castro, Colonel Ghaddafi, Kim-Jong Il, and hundreds of others. Woot Woot!
Here comes the Clue Train, last stop, you. What has Iraq got that Zimbabwe, Cuba, Darfur, and North Korea don`t?
We didn`t go there to take out Saddam because he`s a "Bad Man". We went there to find the WMDs he was stockpiling.
I`m not explaining anything about my opinion, just my observations on other people`s opinions on here. Nowhere have I seen someone say that Iraqis deserved Saddam, just that they (not necessarily I) think that Saddam leading the country then was better for the people than our occupancy and influences.
Again, just explaining. Don`t want an argument over it, not necessarily my opinion.
It`s saying that, given the risk involved and what we`ve lost while being over there (lives), he doesn`t think we ever should have gone.
I don`t think we ever should have gone either.
But, now that we`re there, we have to stay there until it`s through (whenever that will be -.-)
Because you`re probably reading from the same newspapers that forget to mention the surge is working and are really really biased.
There are many countries under "tyranny" and worse off than Iraq was in 2002.
Why is it when I read news stories from other countries, the basic message is that Iraqis want us out of Iraq?
Saddam was evil, No debate about this. His Son`s were even more evil and one of them would`ve succeeded him in tyranny.
I guess you Iraqi war naysayers believe that the Iraqi`s didn`t deserve freedom, democracy, non-UN supplied food, or jobs. How condescending of you idiots !
The Iraq War was not a mistake !, Maybe the execution of raising a democracy was being botched, but "The Surge" has solved that now and peace is finally thriving there.
The Iraq War was definitely worth it, Saddam is gone, There is stability there now, Iraq is now an ally not an enemy, The Iraqi`s are better off, and it has proven that democracy can work in the middle east.
America is not an occupier, colonizer, or conqueror. The history of Germany, Japan, and Italy after WW2 has proven this.
Wikipedia saying he has killed tens of thousands in different occasions
And how come you haven`t been joining in any flamewars (like this one) recently? Are you going soft in your old age, like your hair?
And well said, Orionsbelt. It`s good to see that there are people out there still capable of intelligence.
maybe they are better off...but there are a lot of places where overthrowing government would help the ppl
but bush is for the war...so he loves the troops
just not enough to create an exit strategy, or pay for their college, or get actual evidence about WMD`s in Iraq
so thank you for your service sir...but its is your blind nationalism which put a moron in the white house and...led us into Iraq under false pretenses
Saddam was convicted of killing 148 Kurds, that what he was hung for. Granted it was probably many more than that, but "tens of thousands" I`m gonna call you out on and ask for sources there mate, cause it smells like bullsh*t.
On the other hand, there have been confirmed somewhere between 80,000 and 95,000 Iraqi civilian deaths since the invasion (acc to Iraq Body Count)
And as for Darfur? Well, there`s a valuable resource that Iraq has lots of that Sudan doesn`t...
... Didnt McCain expect it (not saying you said it, it twas Obama)
And a lot of new members today
Cowards abound and, wouldn`t you know it, they always seem to be the ones shouting loudest about why the bravery and honor of others is for bad reasons.
Even the supposed Messiah, Senator Obama himself, now says the Iraq war surge worked "beyond anyone`s wildest expectations". Why is it the people so adamant that we must do something in Darfur in defense of human rights care so little about the tens of thousands of of Kurds that Saddam Hussein killed in his own ethnic cleansing? Maybe it doesn`t fit the liberal ideology? Check the history records, folks. It`s true. Mass weapons or not, Saddam was ge
In all due respect, this guy might be doing the right thing in a bad situation, but that doesn`t mean he should be promoting the situation as a whole. Schindler may have saved a lot of lives, but I don`t think he would defend the holocaust.
Of course we support our troops (I`m British, our boys are getting killed too), and we all want them to come home safely. But it`s really really OK to support the troops and at the same time oppose the war and the lies we were all fed going into it.
I`m constantly amazed that there are millions of people out there who cannot (or will not) make the distiction between those two compatible views.
Be that as it may, this guy was probably talking about something a little more personal. Whatever can be said about the war itself, there are soldiers over there teaching leadership, military tactics and the laws of armed conflict, medicine and technical skills, as well as providing humanitarian aid and medical care. When they say we`re helping the Iraqi people, well, they`ve been too close to the issue to be talking politics.
That`s why he said "we`re helping the Iraqis" and not "we`re helping Iraq"
I`m glad there`s good being done but for the record, I don`t think we should go to war without real and immediate danger to us or our allies. The end never justifies the means, and trying to control the world isn`t my idea of freedom.
Also, his using his military status in a p
No need for such harsh words.
Just because you wear a uniform it doesn`t mean you`re a spokesperson for all servicemen.
WE ARE SENDING TROOPS BACK TO AFGHANISTAN, 7 years later. WHY?
BECAUSE WE DIDN`T FINISH THE JOB BEFORE WE GOT CAUGHT UP IN IRAQ.
We invaded Afghanistan, overthrew the Taliban, and defeated their militias.
High on rightous victory, what did we do? Did we invest in Afghanistan, ensure local government stability? Ensure that the boarder regions with Pakistan were cleared? NO.
Instead, we invaded IRAQ, a country we had on LOCKDOWN since `92, a country with NO active airforce because we maintained active, armed enforcement of no-fly zones. A COUNTRY THAT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH ISLAMIC TERRORISM.
Here is a fact most of you young ones may not appreciate - SADDAM HATED ISLAMIC MILITANTS - THERE WERE NONE IN HIS COUNTRY. Why? Because he killed them.
History is harsh and blunt - the U.S. was complicit in Saddam`s power (we sold him weapons to fight Iran), but he had NOTHING to do with the WAR ON TERROR.
I believe we need to put at least some sort of government in that can hold power, but then once we manage to leave Iraq try and modify/substain it.
I knew someone was going to say that.
(TYPICALLY) Someone who buys their own car appreciates the value a lot more than someone who gets it as a gift.
Props to you for understanding the value of your car :)
I have a new car, I didnt pay for it, I appreciate it.
It`s like a kid getting a new car. He only appreciates it and takes care of it if he bought it himself.
This "we`re helping the Iraqis out" is a bunch of bullpoo. In the end, we`re not helping them. We`ll set up a democracy, sure, but we all know it`ll fall in 2 years because the Iraqis didn`t fight for it themselves and won`t fight for it when another fascist regime challenges the power of the new democracy.
I can not speak about the war experiences better or even anywhere near to how this man can. He has the upper hand.
...So all respect to him.
In fact, statistics (No, I won`t go look for them, this isn`t a formal debate) are saying that the people are getting more and more upset with American occupation.
I understand that their situation is unfair. It`s more than unfair, it`s unjust and inhumane. However, I don`t think there is a country big enough to go in and fix the situation without using up all of it`s resources and being in occupation for a ridiculous amount of time. That`s no help to anyone involved.
Getting in the middle of tensions that have been raging for literally hundreds of years was not a good idea. We weren`t big enough and we still aren`t to have a good fix, and it appears to me that it`s either fix it or don`t touch it.
The guy who made it. I think I browsed through another one where he talks about economic policies.
And for yellowsquare, if it makes you feel any better that video is sort of like the HP commercials. No prosthetic leg.
This was almost respectable until the end when they cue the pooty Lee Greenwood calamity of a song.
And the limping away on a prosthetic leg was a little too much "corny". I almost suffocated from the fake patriotism.
not making sense, or did you just want the first post....