Dear Mr. Obama

Submitted by: primetimekin 9 years ago in
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Iraqi veteran"s message for Obama (this was not sponsored by McCain).
There are 165 comments:
Male 180
a7xbass, the only reason why most of the world hates the US isn`t because of your economy or wealth or whatever. It is just because you can`t stop yourself walking with your army in other people`s country to dictate your views. And this is far from being always the right attitude. This isn`t something new that came up with Bush Jr.

If more people had proper education in the US, election results would probably be very different. You have no idea how the world laugh at your presidential campaign. Problem is that it is a short and sad laugh, because consequences never fails to follow.

Again, don`t get me wrong. The US is a great country, but most of its people did not receive a proper education that allow them to think by themself. When you can`t think, someone else do it for you at his advantage. And this has happened for decades... US talking about freedom is just like Saddam talking about human rights, pathetic.

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Male 6
Freshmint, you have a point with Saudi Arabia, and I`m not denying the oil factor in the Iraq war, but if the U.S. is out fighting the wrong region, and the rest of the world hates us so much, why hasn`t the U.S. been attacked in the last seven years. You can`t say no one wants to, because as long as Islam is a major religion, there will be the radical conservative Muslim muhajideen that believe their jihad is to sacrifice themselves to punish the U.S., and face it, it is much easier to get away with terrorism in Iraq, even if most radicals are in Saudi Arabia. It`s undisputed that Iraq has been one of the world`s largest terrorist havens, and thats where the threat was coming from after 2001, so thats where we are going after them. And I`m not saying we are arresting terrorists, but if they are in hiding they can`t hurt us and the second we leave Iraq will be the perfect place for radical groups. And they will not be coming after your country. It will be mine.
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Male 180
a7xbass, with all my respect what terrorist got jailed from invading Iraq? Afghanisthan fair enough, but Iraq... c`mon!

You invade their country, they defend themselves. Terrorist or resistant is just a matter of point of view, History will decide. But these guys aint threatening any American at home, they just want your troops out of theirs.

However, this is giving plenty of reasons (good or bad, I am not judging anything) to all extremist around to world to plot against the US.

So no, the war in Iraq doesnt make anybody safer in the US. And the bottom line is that most of intelligence around the world agree to say that the main nest of terrorist threats seats in Arabi Saudia. They are also the only one to be able to fund terrorist actions, do you really think Saddam had the money to raise Islamic armys? No, he couldn`t even afford firepower for his own official army.

But hey, you need Saudi Arabia`s oil don`t you... And your governement perfectly knows that.

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Male 6
Freshmint, this is not a war on the Iraqi people. This is a war on terrorism, and the whole world thought Osama was a ghost from the past until the World Trade Center was burning. That`s why both the Bush and Clinton administrations overlooked the evidence of the future attacks.

Iraq is the perfect terrorist haven. It had little to know border security, a weak national government, and geographically easy for radical terrorist organizations to hide in. There was little to know doubt these groups existed in Iraq. I agree with you that the U.S. federal government is hypocritical in saying they are there to defend the Iraqi people and give them a better life, but what we did was send the radical terrorists into hiding from us, which has prevented them from attacking us again. That is why as an an American I feel safer that we are in Iraq. America will be hated by some no matter what, we are over there making sure no one acts on that hatred.

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Male 180
a7xbass, Iraq did not assault the US for a simple reason - they just had no way to do it. Best proof is the ridiculously poor resistance your troops faced with Iraq`s army, completely outnumbered, and with no proper equipment or vehicules (couple of tanks and 1 copter...).
There is not much wonder why Bush`s governement entered country... And `free` Iraq is certainly not on the top of the list, most of the veterans agree with that.

I don`t mean Iraq was a `free` country, but certainly the people can`t justify your action. They did not ask for anything from the US or anybody else. And clearly, US troops are not ultimately there to help on rebuilding Iraq.

Again, US is policing the world. No wonder why those guys burn US flags... Not that I support that, in any way, but I can understand why. If you give someone all the reasons to hate you, you can`t be surprised he end hating you.

Not to mention that the US created Bin Laden, just a ghost from the past...

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Male 1,404
I don`t like to re-post on the same topic but, this one hit a nerve. There is a difference in "being ashamed of your country" and being ashamed of the actions of your nation. The first disrespects all that have died to allow you to continue on. You can disagree with your nation but, their is a way of doing so without condemning it.

"buttersrules" I will not share to much information about myself on the web but, I have been around the world in some very unpleasant places. I will say I wish you the peace in your life because you have earned it and you don`t need anyone to say it.

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Male 6
But to be fair, I enjoyed the video, I thought it spoke to me, but `the day we lose the will to fight is the day we give up our freedom` is crap.
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Male 6
freshmint, i respect your views because you have the right to those views. whether you think the Iraq war is the U.S. overstepping its boundaries or not is your opinion. i agree with you there is a great uneducated percentage of people in the U.S.

But to say we don`t know about freedom is ignorance. We`re not trying to spread our viewpoints to the Iraqi people. We are keeping ourselves safe. And tell me, just because people to not live in this country, does that mean that it is wrong to look after them and free them from tyranny. Vietnam was a war where we tried to force our views onto others. In Iraq we are spreading freedom, regardless of what the rest of the world thinks.

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Male 180
a7xbass, the only reason why most of the world hates the US isn`t because of your economy or wealth or whatever. It is just because you can`t stop yourself walking with your army in other people`s country to dictate your views. And this is far from being always the right attitude. This isn`t something new that came up with Bush Jr.

If more people had proper education in the US, election results would probably be very different. You have no idea how the world laugh at your presidential campaign. Problem is that it is a short and sad laugh, because consequences never fails to follow.

Again, don`t get me wrong. The US is a great country, but most of its people did not receive a proper education that allow them to think by themself. When you can`t think, someone else do it for you at his advantage. And this has happened for decades... US talking about freedom is just like Saddam talking about human rights, pathetic.

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Male 180
TonyBGoode, grow up and come back to talk. You just dropped off your toys, what do you think you know about the world, politic and war?

These topics should be closed to teenagers wathcing Fox News for breakfast...

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Male 1,882
"WHOISIT12345, maybe YOU were a mistake"

NO U

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Male 466
Tonybgoode=small penis
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Male 6
what im saying is we are in iraq and so the radical terrorists are in hiding. iraq has served as a terrorist haven for decades. if we leave, they will come out of hiding and their hatred of the U.S. will be itensified. If we pull out, they will come after us. Is Bush a good president? No. Has Bush made bad decisions? Yes. But since 9-11-01 Bushs primary mission has been to stop that from ever happening. Thats why, although I am not a Bush supporter, I have respect for the man.
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Male 114
if people werent so brainwashed by their religions then 9-11 probably wouldnt have happened. along with this war. but yea were in war and were probably not putting our all into it either. i say we step it up a few notches make iraq know that were not just dratin around and end this poo once and for all so our economys back to normal and were at peace again. but yea im probably missing a peice of the puzzle here so feel free to point it out to EVERYONE and make yourself feel like a big man.
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Male 6
hey, ever since we have entered iraq we have driven the terrorists into hiding and if we leave it will become the anarchial society the terrorists have thrived in. Last time I checeked it`s been seven years since America has fallen victim to an Islamic terrorist attack
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Male 54
WHOISIT12345, maybe YOU were a mistake
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Male 54
maybe you cant, but any normal person can
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Male 315
We cannot have peace at the point of a gun.
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Male 54
you know what freshmint? GO FU*CK YOURSELF *SS HOLE! STAY IN YOUR OWN GOD FORSAKEN COUNTRY! and youd better believe that if this didnt bleep stuff out id be unloading on ur ass
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Male 180
Yeah very smart video, not to mention that Iraquis had water, electricity, and somehow education before your country decided to send troops there... F#cking ignorant.

What do you think you gonna make them free from, extremist and fanatics? D#mb #ss, they never been so powerful since your country doomed Iraq.

Don`t get me wrong, I am not saying Iraq was perfect, or in anyway that I agree or support anything that Saddam Hussein`s goverment has done there.

But for f#ck sake, how can you possibly say that it is better now than it was before? Most of them lost security on the basics: food, water, electricity, security. Their economy is on neutral, not to say reverse -can you tell us who is holding on relaunch oil exploitation by the way?

Your country messed up Iraq much more than it ever has been before. How can you call for freedom?

Whatever if you are a veteran from Iraq, you are a f#cking idiot.

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Male 1,361
Wow! you americans are totally screwed, i dont see how sending troops to iraq helps iraqi people aquire freedom by making sacrifices,(pretty damn unspecified sacrifices)

I`m surprised america isnt involved in the georgia vs russia conflict, y`know helping out, making sacrifices etc etc, not like they`re going to iraq for ANY other reason, right?

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Male 1,049
Neagle
Have you even been to Iraq, to make the comment that the coalition hasn`t been forcefull enough? Cos I have. I was there the first time round. And the second. And I am ashamed. I am a veteren and I AM ashamed. Ashamed of the illegal war that my country has entered into at the instigation of the united states. Ashameed at the atrocities commited both in Iraq and Afghanistan in the name of "freedom". Ashamed at the blatant abuses of basic human rights in both countries, by soldiers of all the coalition nations. Ashamed that I joined the services to defend my country, only to have my oath of service corrupted for political and economic greed.
I am one ashamed ex-serviceman.
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Male 367
Woo go Nader!
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Male 1,284
Lets hang those who seek peace
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Male 4,393
the war WAS a mistake!!!!
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Male 22
i meant to say £ukk [email protected]!t!
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Male 22
drat that guy. and his leg. haha!
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Male 1,835
i have nothing against the us as a whole. i quite like it here. proud to be `mericans who go and drat it all up for `freedom` i do not like.
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Female 2,289
Well how about that? LOL at what Jethro said
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Male 42
He was doing right good until that goddamn stupid ass Lee GreenWood took a elephant crap on it.
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Female 134
My mom showed me this yesterday. I liked it.
Say what you want, I`m not insulting you, I am just sharing my personal opinion.
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Male 1,111
this guy should have been shot while he was over there.

oh sure "it`s not sponsored by McCain" But it IS sponsored by the 527 groups (political groups that fund advertisement and are legally separate from a candidate.


Dumb asses, anyone that agrees with this should be shot too. I`m curious how many soldiers they had to comb through to find this one guy willing to do this. And best of all he didn`t even tell us his rank or operation. So for all we know he was a drating chef on a boat. Retarded people.

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Female 101
I know I`m late getting in on this but...

About the comment below me, What`s so wrong with being ashamed/embarassed by your country if it does something stupid? It doesn`t make you unpatriotic or anything... It`s like your dad getting drunk at a thankgiving dinner, you still love him, but it`s still effing embarasssing.

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Male 1,404
ericdee "Is anyone better off today than they were in 2002? Think about the economy, oil prices, and how we weren`t so deeply involved in this convoluted war."

Yes, I am. By following and applying sound economic principals in my personal and professional life the economy may play a small factor in the way one goes about it but, it will not curb my personal success.

Where Iraq comes into play I don`t think we have been forceful enough. Each and every Iraqi citizen should be praying to their god that they are not dead and that they have a chance to pull there crappy lives into the twenty-first century.

Oh ya, I don`t particularly care If a bullet comes out of a place of religious warship of out from behind a rock at a coalition soldier the soldier should be allowed to fire back.

For all those who are ashamed of America you have a convoluted global view of our nation. I encourage you to travel more both inside and outside our nation to get a full perspective of your nat

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Female 78
This "war" is about our country being greedy. We basically used Afganistan and Sept. 11th as a stepping stone to get to Iraqi soil, so that we could occupie their resources. And by the by we are NOT by any means better off from 2002...if anything it`ll just get worse no matter who`s president.
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Male 1,557
"Are they better off than in 2002?" No, they`re dead.

And the war WAS a mistake, those people wouldnt have died without it.

And stop calling it "eye-rack" its IRAQ, "E-RACK"

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Female 1,397
give me a break.
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Male 182
...Is anyone better off today than they were in 2002? Think about the economy, oil prices, and how we weren`t so deeply involved in this convoluted war.
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Male 176
`Mission Accomplished`.
The mission was to direct fantastic amounts of money from governerment funds to the Military Industrial complex. It`s no coincidence that this administration had a nonstop hardon for invading Iraq from the git go, and that is why.
Cheney, recent ex CEO of Halliburton was dying to put his boys and cronies to work. That was the mission. At the point Bush landed on the aircraft carrier with that banner flying, the mission was rock solid accomplished, and for far into the foreseeable future. That`s why Bush was smiling.
Haliburton stock has more than tripled since then. All these guys are bedfellows. Check out their CEOs wages on the internet. It will blow your mind. Last I checked David Lasser made $26,000,000.00 in one year. The Lockheed Ceo made 400 million. The redneck christian right guy in N.C. that owns Blackwater private security firm in Iraq is positively swimming in money. They all know one another and the Bush Cabinet and Washington
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Male 8
maybe its because i am german and we have a different view on wars by now, but i just dont get the connection between the words war, freedom and peace....

that all soldiers are pissed when anybody says that iraq war is a mistake is just natural. they risked their lives, lost friends. nobody wants to hear he did that for a stupid mistake. even if its true.

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Male 77
fantastic video.great message.wish i knew if it was youtube i would favorite it.
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Female 400
Oh crap I put this in the wrong link, that was for the number 2 one.
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Female 400
excuse me, real world*
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Female 400
Oh yes giving tax breaks to businesses that outsource is even better. Taxing only a small percentage of very rich peoples income is awesome too, whereas we get taxed on 100% of it. Also, keeping greedy people with all the money HOPING they will give it back down to us poorer folk is just being ignorant. We`re in the read world.

You forget that those people getting the tax breaks in Obama`s plan are going to be putting that money into the economy right away. Lets just say its 80% who gets those tax breaks, that is 240 million people spending that money and giving it right to businesses.

His tax breaks aren`t going to hurt big businesses as much as you think that they`re going to have to lay off a whole bunch of people!! Or raise inflation that rapidly.

Also small businesses are going to be protected and not hurt by his economic plan.

Alternative - the way it is now, don`t forget that.

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Male 12,138
Aaaaaand we have yet another new member. Welcome to IAB, jared1600.
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Male 591
~if you see the picture with the family photo, and president bush in it, my parents are the ones on the right side~
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Male 591
People get different reactions depending on where they are, the people that supported saddam (and got benefits) of course hate us, the people that were oppressed support us. My uncle (Jerry Majetich, look him up on google, he is everywhere almost) was burned after his escort was blown up. He only talked about how people respected them and that he wanted to go back if he could. At the military hospital during my basic training in 2004, met a guy who wanted to go back, even though his leg was gone and he was blind in one eye. But of course, your not really going to see that anywhere on the new are you?
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Male 1,049
I got to the `promoting freedom` part, and almost choked on my own vomit.
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Male 196
I have friends in Iraq and they came home and said the complete opposite. They told me how much they are hated there and how it was a complete mistake. I guess different parts of the country have different beliefs. This guy was probably in the north part of the country. I guess if he was in Baghdad he would think differently.
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Male 231
Who`s saying Obama doesn`t care about the sacrifices of the troops? Just an emotional brickbat that never needed to get made. Sorry about your leg, dude, but what happened to you over there has no relevance to your authority on world politics. You just got dealt a bad hand.

And Lee Greenwood? Please.

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Male 227
Many man, many many many many man...
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Female 744
The was eye-opening, very well done, nothing short of amazing, gets the point across much better than a senseless rant. It`s amazing what good video can do.

/AV nerd

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Female 929
I watched this with the gen-pets music in the other window.. :D It worked. And wow. (:
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Female 7
my father has served in afganistan and been deployed over seas many other times. we now live in south korea defending it from possible northern attacks. i know what im saying when i say this man is completely and utterly right.
vote for john mccain!
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Male 17,511
Jared: That was a concise, complete, and utterly verbatim post, Straight off the Liberal Democratic Talking Points.

Too bad they were are all wrong, misleading, socialist, nutroot moonbattery.

Its truly sad that the left has been able to spin things around so much now, That anyone that`s a conservative christian is now considered insane.

So much for the left being tolerant and open-minded.

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Male 55
uofmsports said: "Oh ok, I get it... so that`s why gas was over 4 dollars a gallon then, lol"

Well boohoo, in england, by your money, petrol (gas) is over £10 a gallon.

that`s why i`m not learning to drive. Too dmaned expensive

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Female 511
I`m sorry. I totally respect the people that have the balls to go into the military and risk their lives, but I cannot, in good conscience, vote for McCain. I cannot vote for a man who uses his being tortured in Vietnam as a fallback whenever someone criticizes him. I cannot vote for someone who has selected a running mate who believes AGAINST everything I do. So he may want to vote for McCain and encourage a country with America invading a sovereign nation, removing social programs, and enforcing even more of a christian/dogmatic regime, but I sure a fcuk don`t.
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Male 3
~*PLEASE READ MY PREVIOUS 2 POSTS, FROM THE BOTTOM UP TO FULLY GRASP MY USLESS RANT*~

an "american" we ALL NEED TO GROW UP, AND STOP BEING SELFISH, GLUTTOUNUS, DESTRUCTIVE PEOPLE. REALIZE WHATS A TRUE THREAT NOT ONELY TO US, BUT THE WORLD AND DO SOMETHING POSITIVE, THAT MAKES A TRUE DIFFERENCE...this war, in 5 years, 10 years, 20 years, or more will NEVER have a positive effect, despite the iraquis who are happy by what we did. there is more than too many people in that country who believe ohter wise, raise family, friends and children to believe other wise and to fight us, and ultimitley attempt to destroy us. drat IT ALL, wether your for mccain or obama, realize the truth, open your eyes, wake up, whatever you wanna call it, just stop being so close minded. w/e it is you take from this message....do what you is right.... by you and other... and most importantley,.....promote peace for everyone

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Male 3
(again false info!), and it is documented that we were lied too about wmd`s, but people seem to forget that. we set out after sept. 11th to prove that we werent like other countries thought us to be, but by starting and continuing this bullpoo war, we did nothing BUT prove that we are just like terroist groups and fully realized what every other country says of us. we are nothing but bullies, and do what we want because we can. stuff like this will drat us over in the future and show us that not only we, but no other country should provoke violence. as the "americans" we call ourselves we should promote peace, and put it into full effect. im not at all saying we should dissolve our service. countries start poo, and sometimes you need to defend yourself. but as far as this war goes, nothing was provoked, we overlook darfur, and the russian insurgance of georgia, but when it comes to blowing up iraquis everyone is for it. as an american im ashamed of what we have become and as
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Male 3
drat the service currently. i dont believe for one second that this is in no way paid for by maccain. or in some online "non-affiliated, but actually affiliated with maccain" political b/s . we should have never gone to iraq. it was just a diversion from the fact that we couldnt find osama. everyone was still pissed about sept. 11th, and when bush said drat it to obama, and said drat iraq; everyone was down. this war is nothing but lies and bullpoo. im not dissing the people that died over there. some died fighting for a false freedom that they naivley believed in, and others didnt know why they were fighting for, and thought it was stupid, but died any way.by leaving now... after doing what we have done to help and/or deter that country from becoming anything prosperous in the future is nothing but a mistake. believing this war as a postive in american history is schovanistic, and naive. we attacked a country that had no intentions of hurting us for the time being. (again fa
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Male 1
vv"The only reason America went to war in Iraq was oil and Daddy issues!"

Oh ok, I get it... so that`s why gas was over 4 dollars a gallon then, lol

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Male 151
while you ppl are holding up this guy as a symbol...why don`t you check this out too...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6j8Iyu3or...

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Male 8
Regardless of whether or not the war was a mistake, anyone who says we should cut and run, as mr obama has promised, is in denial of the facts. The surge is working. Iraq is a safer place because of the hard fought battles of the coalition. Denying that is asenine.
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Male 12,138
Mutually respectful handshake it is Crakr.

And Nerd, I agree, I am f*cking awesome.

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Female 2,228
Davy, check this out Nation Article
Also read Ron Susskind`s "The Way of the World" Former intellegience officials have already come forward claiming the administration used doctored "facts" to support the war.
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Female 15,763
Awww!

Kodak moment on IAB.

:D

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Male 5,970
DAVY IS AWESOME!

THE END, now, everyone shut the hell up and get some sleep or go to work or something

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Male 17,511
I used to sell newspapers by phone, We got samples from all over. Not all are so willing to report on things, Favorably, That their editors disagree with.

History will decide the truth, It wasn`t revealed for a long time that the Nazi Reich was developing nuclear material, So we will see with time.

I don`t hate you Davy, Despite the disagreement.

:Handshake:

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Male 12,138
vvv "You seem to be way to willing to discount news your not willing to hear, For (what i believe to be) flimsy reasons."

You say flimsy reasons, I call it bloody good reasons. When I read about the WMDs that Bush promised, that have now been found, in my morning papers tomorrow, then I`ll bend over and clean your shoes Crakr. Until then, I`m calling propaganda bullsh*t.

Anyways, I enjoyed the intelligent debate (seriously, respect, difference of opinions doesn`t equate to mutual hatred, at least I hope). Let`s agree to disagree, and move on as buddies.

Handshake?

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Male 425
What? No flag blowing in the wind?

Amateur.

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Female 15,763
Ah, I had assumed you were still talking about my post much later where I wasn`t expressing my own opinion.

No, that is mine.

Thanks for the clarification.

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Male 12,138
vvv "Srry Davy, Im just saying, maybe not to you, but to the rest of us, all these large post of arguments are a little annoying; I still love you though"

Don`t mind me mate, I`m a little on edge (just like you are with Ike) as we`re trying to get a well back on stream which is costing us about $125,000 per hour for the downtime till we get it drilling again, while we try to figure out what the f*ck went wrong.

I`d like to say good times, but I`d be lying.

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Male 17,511
Davy: I have adblock plus on with Firefox, Didn`t see that ad.

Either way, As you should know, Many websites have ads on their sites they may not agree with.
You seem to be way to willing to discount news your not willing to hear, For (what i believe to be) flimsy reasons.

I don`t see devout Catholics discounting what they see on CNN, Just because of some possible contraception advertising.

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Male 1,825
Have any of you guys seen the manchurian canidate?
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Male 2
To Maddog,

I will certainly grant you that there are far worse atrocities occurring throughout the world than what occurred in Iraq, but you wish to claim our invasion of Iraq was for it`s oil? Let me ask you then, when we drive Saddam and his forces out of Kuwait as we did in the first Golf War, why did we not occupy the oil fields which we had recovered? We certainly could have, but we did not. Why? It has NOTHING to do with oil. Granted, I think GW had a hard-on for Saddam after what Saddam did to his dad, but you Euro-lefites who want to claim it was all because of oil have NOTHING upon which to base this. NOTHING. I find it comical that the same people who want us to have taken action in Rwanda and Darfur are the same people who claim the US acted unilaterally (despite 17 UN resolutions) when we invaded Iraq.

By the way, for reasons I can`t state, I have highly-placed friends in Iraq/Afghanistan/Pakistan who have told me countless ways we have improved Iraq immensely!

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Male 17,511
opie: you did say that soldiers aren`t "demeaned" by questioning the war in Iraq, Also "statistics" basically saying they don`t want us there, And that you believe that Iraq can`t be fixed.

All of which I believe is untrue, and decided to refute.

If those above aren`t your opinion then please say so.

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Male 5,970
Srry Davy, Im just saying, maybe not to you, but to the rest of us, all these large post of arguments are a little annoying; I still love you though

-PS the hurricane is hitting land as I type

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Male 12,138
Crakr, no one`s getting banned, that would be me being a dick. What we have here is a difference of opinion, and that`s very different from trolling, either on your or my part.

To get onto the links you provided... I didn`t get past the first one, where the first thing on there was this banner ad:

Which kind of tells me all I need to know about the impartiality of all of your sources. Come back to me when you have something from Reuters, AP, the BBC; hell, any international news agency and we`ll talk.

And finally, Nerd, thanks for the advice, but I`m doing alright over here thanks... I don`t think I`m maing too much of an ass of myself.

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Male 17,511
And no, Davy, I wasn`t going after a "softer target".

I`ve read through the whole thread now and Yeah, I`d have to agree you were being a bit trollish.
If stating that bans me, So be it.

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Male 134
Oh and good post prime.... you sure know how to flare iab up! :D
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Female 15,763
Crak, I don`t know how many times I have to say it.

I was calling nothing a fact.

I was not representing my opinion (you already got that part).

I was clarifying a misconception that you showed in your post about the other posters and their ideas, using my own observations.

I`m sorry if you took them as facts, but they were not presented as such.

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Male 134
Oh and good post prime.... you sure know how to flare iab up! :D
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Male 134
hmm well my solution to this is to just sit in my little corner here and sort of stay there rocking myself back and forth in a schizofrentic manner until all the political bullpoo is over and cry myself to sleep thinking that by voting, we change the state of affairs so drastically it determines the fate of the world.... thats bullpoo, you only change some things and leave some other important issues in the dust as you do so.... what we need now is a way to satisfy both parties.... i say communism ftw
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Male 17,511
Citing so called "Facts" that aren`t representative of your opinion is Trollage, So I believe.

I didn`t read the whole thread from the beginning, Was reacting to what was the last page of comments.

Even so I didn`t out right call her a "Troll", I asked if she was admitting to being one. To which she denied it.

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Male 5,970
Davy, go to bed, you dont need to start a brawl with other users, I know its educated, but trust me....you get to into it, you look like an ass even if your winning
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Male 12,138
And one more thing, crakr. Why pick on Opie and insult her by calling her a Troll? She was only on the fringe of the discussion and was being very reasonable I thought... Why not call me a troll, I was the one who admitted to potential trollage early on.

Is it because I`ll stand here and call you on your bullsh*t, so safer to go for a softer target who`s not involved?

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Male 17,511
Challenge accepted Davy:

WMD`s Found - World News Daily

WMD`s Found - Richard Miniter`s Book "Disinformation"

And for the Coup de grâce..
WMD`s Found - Dept. Of Defense

Could`ve cited dozens more... These should suffice.

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Male 12,138
vv "Wouldn`t be hard to bury several hundred barrels out there. They are still finding mines from WW2, Korea, and Vietnam. So lets let history decide."

Crakr, now you`re speculating. Again, in your own time. Credible, multipartite, sourced news of hidden WMDs in Iraq, please.

Waiting for that link. I`ll check in tomorrow, I`m off to bed now.

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Female 280
Wow! That gave me goosebumps....
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Male 5,970
Aw this is sad, im not going to get into because I dont want to spend my whole night arguing about it, Ive already got Ike on my mind
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Male 17,511
Btw, It took years to find these...

MIG`s Buried in Iraq

Wouldn`t be hard to bury several hundred barrels out there. They are still finding mines from WW2, Korea, and Vietnam. So lets let history decide.

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Male 12,138
vv "Davy, I am currently entertained by the roster update on Madden 09 so there is no way im going to concentrate on this thing right now... i`ll refresh the page occasionally to see if someone violates something or stuff"

Prime, please do man. I`ve been on the graveyard shift (Maddog, what`s your excuse?) but I`m going to crash now. It`s all yours mate.

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Male 791
Canada didn`t even bother with the Iraq war, we knew that nothing was up.. Dubya was pretty pissed at us, I guess he thought that if Canada came, it somehow seemed more believable?
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Male 63
Dear God, this video makes me proud to be American.

This man, and John Mccain deserve respect, not Barack Obama.

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Male 7,933
Davy, I am currently entertained by the roster update on Madden 09 so there is no way im going to concentrate on this thing right now... i`ll refresh the page occasionally to see if someone violates something or stuff
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Male 12,138
p.s. vv Kasu-Chan, your avatar pic, was that taken in the zoo or what? Please say yes.
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Male 12,138
Crakr, I am fully awake and conscient thanks (don`t start with the personal insults, please).

OK, let me throw you another challenge then. If there really were WMDs found in Iraq after all, like your Fox News article claimed, then I would have expected to have heard about it all over the western media. Should have been big news, right? I mean, it would have taken the heat off Bush, Blair, and anyone else who supported the war.

Why didn`t I hear about this monumentous find which justified the invasion? Why wasn`t it plastered all over the BBC, Yahoo News, CBC, CNBC, the world friggin media?

Go and find me the same story, somewhere out there on the interwebz, about how Saddam actually WAS AFTER ALL stockpiling wmds.

I mean outside Faux News. Then I`ll listen.

In your own time.

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Male 17,511
Maddog: That article was dated 2005, the Fox article was dated 2006... Try again, next time look at the dates first.
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Male 180
Mccain will win, I am almost positive, unless its rigged.

besides, if we pull out it will be just like vietnam.

Is that what guys want? Where thousands of men died for no reason? I don`t

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Male 17,511
That wouldn`t be even no matter how you cut it Davy, Its either all or nothing. No media is unbiased, Wake up and realize that please.
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Female 15,763
No...

Unless you`re going by some other definition of troll that I`ve never heard of.

o_O

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Male 12,138
vvv "Oh that`s right, Just because it was a Fox News link its automatically wrong then ?
Way to keep an open mind there Davy, NOT"

Dude, I won`t quote Michael Moore (ultra-headbanger left-wing liberal) and you don`t quote Fox (ultra-headbanger right-wing conservative) and then we`ll be on even ground.

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Male 17,511
Oh that`s right, Just because it was a Fox News link its automatically wrong then ?

Way to keep an open mind there Davy, NOT

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Male 268
It is these courageous men and women who have personally seen with their very own eyes the progress made in Iraq. I`m sure there are plenty of soldiers who beg to differ, and that`s totally fine. But anytime anyone defends our stance in Iraq, it`s as if we`re all a bunch of fools.

The fact that you believe 100% that we should NOT be in Iraq, does NOT make it true or a fact. It`s merely your personal opinion. The same goes for anyone who believes we SHOULD be in Iraq. Somehow, someway, we need to ALL find a way to respect each other`s opinions.

Good day.

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Male 3,369
ShotgunDave. I`m calling you out! The war in Iraq IS wrong. Sure Saddam was evil...but lets not forget who helped put him in power to start with.
How bizzar that he was one of America`s closet Mideast allies during the 1980s, and received substantial US military and financial aid.

I suggest you check the history records yourself. The only reason America went to war in Iraq was oil and Daddy issues! Everything else is just a smokescreen. America ran in to save Iraq, but let far worse human atrocities go ignored or un-punished. Iraq isnt a mistake...its the rape of a country.

As for your remark about "the defence of freedom"...well, thats a joke isnt it? If someone attacks my country, I`ll stand up and defend it...but I dont recall Iraq attacking America or the UK.

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Male 12,138
Sorry Crakr, as for the link, Faux News doesn`t constitute a credible news source anywhere outside of Texas mate. Try again, go find another one.
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Male 17,511
opie: So your admitting to being a..

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Male 12,138
That`s more like it Prime! However I`m not going to trust a wikipedia article where the first big three red flags on it are "This article may require cleanup", "Please help improve this article", and above all "The neutrality of this article is disputed". Must do better, Prime.

And Crackr, who`s loving Saddam? Saddam was a first-class c*nt and dictator, just like Robert Mugabe, Castro, Colonel Ghaddafi, Kim-Jong Il, and hundreds of others. Woot Woot!

Here comes the Clue Train, last stop, you. What has Iraq got that Zimbabwe, Cuba, Darfur, and North Korea don`t?

We didn`t go there to take out Saddam because he`s a "Bad Man". We went there to find the WMDs he was stockpiling.

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Female 15,763
No, Crak.

I`m not explaining anything about my opinion, just my observations on other people`s opinions on here. Nowhere have I seen someone say that Iraqis deserved Saddam, just that they (not necessarily I) think that Saddam leading the country then was better for the people than our occupancy and influences.

Again, just explaining. Don`t want an argument over it, not necessarily my opinion.

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Male 17,511
And to those of you that say no WMD`s were found in Iraq.

WMD`s Found

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Female 71
very well put :] this guy has my respect. whether or not you agree with the war you have to give these guys the respect they`ve earned.
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Female 192
Aaaaand cue the flame war. =_=
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Female 283
Saying the war was a mistake isn`t saying that we`re not doing good over there.

It`s saying that, given the risk involved and what we`ve lost while being over there (lives), he doesn`t think we ever should have gone.

I don`t think we ever should have gone either.

But, now that we`re there, we have to stay there until it`s through (whenever that will be -.-)

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Male 17,511
opie: So you saying America is the "greater evil" then ?
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Male 17,511
Because your listening to a liberal media that hates GW Bush and wants everything he`s done to fail to prove liberalism works.
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Male 7,933
"Why is it when I read news stories from other countries, the basic message is that Iraqis want us out of Iraq?"

Because you`re probably reading from the same newspapers that forget to mention the surge is working and are really really biased.

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Female 15,763
Crak, I don`t see anybody saying that they think the people of Iraq deserve Saddam. The only ones saying something close to that write that they think Saddam is the lesser evil, so to speak.
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Male 118
Tool. Brainwashed tool.

There are many countries under "tyranny" and worse off than Iraq was in 2002.

Why is it when I read news stories from other countries, the basic message is that Iraqis want us out of Iraq?

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Male 679
So the flag *wasn`t* really there! What a twist ending!
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Male 17,511
To all of you that seem to have loved Saddam Hussein and are deluded enough to believe the Iraqi people were better off with that brutal dictator in power.

Saddam was evil, No debate about this. His Son`s were even more evil and one of them would`ve succeeded him in tyranny.

I guess you Iraqi war naysayers believe that the Iraqi`s didn`t deserve freedom, democracy, non-UN supplied food, or jobs. How condescending of you idiots !

The Iraq War was not a mistake !, Maybe the execution of raising a democracy was being botched, but "The Surge" has solved that now and peace is finally thriving there.

The Iraq War was definitely worth it, Saddam is gone, There is stability there now, Iraq is now an ally not an enemy, The Iraqi`s are better off, and it has proven that democracy can work in the middle east.

America is not an occupier, colonizer, or conqueror. The history of Germany, Japan, and Italy after WW2 has proven this.

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but i dont want to get drafted...
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vv "And a lot of new members today"
Indeed, Prime, it`s good to see. The more the merrier.

And how come you haven`t been joining in any flamewars (like this one) recently? Are you going soft in your old age, like your hair?

And well said, Orionsbelt. It`s good to see that there are people out there still capable of intelligence.

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Male 151
this guy may be a soldier...but he is blind if he honestly believes this crap...you don`t automatically hate the troops if you disagree with the politicians who declared it

maybe they are better off...but there are a lot of places where overthrowing government would help the ppl

but bush is for the war...so he loves the troops

just not enough to create an exit strategy, or pay for their college, or get actual evidence about WMD`s in Iraq

so thank you for your service sir...but its is your blind nationalism which put a moron in the white house and...led us into Iraq under false pretenses

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vv "the tens of thousands of of Kurds that Saddam Hussein killed in his own ethnic cleansing?"

Saddam was convicted of killing 148 Kurds, that what he was hung for. Granted it was probably many more than that, but "tens of thousands" I`m gonna call you out on and ask for sources there mate, cause it smells like bullsh*t.

On the other hand, there have been confirmed somewhere between 80,000 and 95,000 Iraqi civilian deaths since the invasion (acc to Iraq Body Count)

And as for Darfur? Well, there`s a valuable resource that Iraq has lots of that Sudan doesn`t...

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Male 7,933
"beyond anyone`s wildest expectations"

... Didnt McCain expect it (not saying you said it, it twas Obama)

And a lot of new members today

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Male 12,138
Aaaaaand we have another new member. Welcome to IAB, ShotgunDave.
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Male 2
Wow. There are a lot of two-legged people with some high-minded opinions here - many from other countries. My take? When you`ve had your leg blown off in defense of the freedom of others - whether you agree with the fight or not - THEN you get to talk poo. Until then, while I respect your right to make stupid comments, I`ll still think you`re full of poo.

Cowards abound and, wouldn`t you know it, they always seem to be the ones shouting loudest about why the bravery and honor of others is for bad reasons.

Wonder why?

Even the supposed Messiah, Senator Obama himself, now says the Iraq war surge worked "beyond anyone`s wildest expectations". Why is it the people so adamant that we must do something in Darfur in defense of human rights care so little about the tens of thousands of of Kurds that Saddam Hussein killed in his own ethnic cleansing? Maybe it doesn`t fit the liberal ideology? Check the history records, folks. It`s true. Mass weapons or not, Saddam was ge

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Male 734
The Iraqi war was a mistake. He wouldn`t have to be there saving peoples lives if we never went in in the first place, because there wouldn`t be a civil war going on, nor a war against Americans, nor an excess of political terrorism. The reason he`s there isn`t because the land was unstable and needed help, but because we made it unstable.

In all due respect, this guy might be doing the right thing in a bad situation, but that doesn`t mean he should be promoting the situation as a whole. Schindler may have saved a lot of lives, but I don`t think he would defend the holocaust.

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Male 12,138
There seems to be some confusion on this guy`s part that saying the invasion of Iraq was a mistake (it was), is the same as saying you don`t support/respect our troops. Thats utter bollocks.

Of course we support our troops (I`m British, our boys are getting killed too), and we all want them to come home safely. But it`s really really OK to support the troops and at the same time oppose the war and the lies we were all fed going into it.

I`m constantly amazed that there are millions of people out there who cannot (or will not) make the distiction between those two compatible views.

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Male 650
Hmmm.. sorry to say it, but this guy is complete denial if he thinks there were no mistakes going to war with Iraq. Even if he lost a leg fighting for his country.. this doesn`t change that simple fact.
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Female 1,006
The last time we set up a government in Iraq, Saddam Hussein got put in charge.
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Female 149
vv Also, using his military status in a political advert is dodgy.
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Female 149
"This "we`re helping the Iraqis out" is a bunch of bullpoo. In the end, we`re not helping them. We`ll set up a democracy, sure, but we all know it`ll fall in 2 year..."

Be that as it may, this guy was probably talking about something a little more personal. Whatever can be said about the war itself, there are soldiers over there teaching leadership, military tactics and the laws of armed conflict, medicine and technical skills, as well as providing humanitarian aid and medical care. When they say we`re helping the Iraqi people, well, they`ve been too close to the issue to be talking politics.

That`s why he said "we`re helping the Iraqis" and not "we`re helping Iraq"

I`m glad there`s good being done but for the record, I don`t think we should go to war without real and immediate danger to us or our allies. The end never justifies the means, and trying to control the world isn`t my idea of freedom.

Also, his using his military status in a p

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yellowsquare
there was no possible way for these people to fight for themselves, they had no military, they had no money, and a lot of them don`t even have houses. Because of the US, they now have started to train and set up a military, they have started to set up a government, and since the government is done by voting they don`t have to deal with a dictator who will take all of there economy`s money. By the way around 8 million of the citizens voted in the first election which is 60% of the population, which is more votes percentage wise than in the 2004 election where only 56.7% of all eligible voters voted, and the Iraqis did that while there were death threats by the terrorists for voting, i don`t know about u but i call that fighting for freedom
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Male 12,138
Aaaaand we have a new member! Welcome to IAB, mollacins14.
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Male 84
thats not trolling davy, in fact i back you up 100%. well i think saddam needed to go. then again, its a biased view since im muslim and he only launched a teeny tiny genocide against us but in any case, it all boils down to this: we didnt need to invade Iraq. we figured, hey 9/11 happened, we can get away with alot of s*it. why not invade iraq!" and now were paying for it.
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Female 15,763
Cash, I`m pretty sure he`s just giving his opinion, just like you are.

No need for such harsh words.

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Male 319
Go drat yourself buddy. There are plenty of liberals and Democrat voters working in the armed forces right now. And many of them (including notable generals) believe that the war was a mistake from Day 1.

Just because you wear a uniform it doesn`t mean you`re a spokesperson for all servicemen.

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Male 12,138
Whatever. At risk of having to ban myself for trolling, in my humble opinion, Iraq is f*cked and was (relatively) better off under Saddam.
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Male 4,014
Big bad saddam was found hiding in a hidey hole in the desert. Now look at us.

WE ARE SENDING TROOPS BACK TO AFGHANISTAN, 7 years later. WHY?

BECAUSE WE DIDN`T FINISH THE JOB BEFORE WE GOT CAUGHT UP IN IRAQ.

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Male 4,014
Its actually simple. Osama attacked us. He was, by his own admission, located in Afghanistan, under the protection of the Taliban. He also admitted that he attacked us on 9/11.

We invaded Afghanistan, overthrew the Taliban, and defeated their militias.

High on rightous victory, what did we do? Did we invest in Afghanistan, ensure local government stability? Ensure that the boarder regions with Pakistan were cleared? NO.

Instead, we invaded IRAQ, a country we had on LOCKDOWN since `92, a country with NO active airforce because we maintained active, armed enforcement of no-fly zones. A COUNTRY THAT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH ISLAMIC TERRORISM.

Here is a fact most of you young ones may not appreciate - SADDAM HATED ISLAMIC MILITANTS - THERE WERE NONE IN HIS COUNTRY. Why? Because he killed them.

History is harsh and blunt - the U.S. was complicit in Saddam`s power (we sold him weapons to fight Iran), but he had NOTHING to do with the WAR ON TERROR.

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Male 213
Calling a mistake a mistake doesnt disrespect anyone. The act of helping out others isnt a mistake, but the way in which we did it was a mistake. McCain and Obama are both patriots, and care about the country...
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Male 473
nice video, but there definately were some major screw ups in going to iraq. The thing is though that now that were here and have taken away there form of government, if we leave then it will lead to chaos between the factions. Its like we solved a problem, but in doing so caused an even bigger problem in which we have no choice but to try and solve

I believe we need to put at least some sort of government in that can hold power, but then once we manage to leave Iraq try and modify/substain it.

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Female 913
Like the motto says "Country first".
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Male 15
meh
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Female 5
really touching video but no one can deny that there were mistakes made in the war and in the decision process to go to war.
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Male 9,305
It`s politics... -_-
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Female 1,545
"I have a new car, I didnt pay for it, I appreciate it."

I knew someone was going to say that.

(TYPICALLY) Someone who buys their own car appreciates the value a lot more than someone who gets it as a gift.

Props to you for understanding the value of your car :)

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Male 7,933
"It`s like a kid getting a new car. He only appreciates it and takes care of it if he bought it himself."

I have a new car, I didnt pay for it, I appreciate it.

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Female 1,545
The only way a country becomes truly free is if they fight for their freedom themselves.

It`s like a kid getting a new car. He only appreciates it and takes care of it if he bought it himself.

This "we`re helping the Iraqis out" is a bunch of bullpoo. In the end, we`re not helping them. We`ll set up a democracy, sure, but we all know it`ll fall in 2 years because the Iraqis didn`t fight for it themselves and won`t fight for it when another fascist regime challenges the power of the new democracy.

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Female 15,763
And as a disclaimer (word count cut me off):

I can not speak about the war experiences better or even anywhere near to how this man can. He has the upper hand.

...So all respect to him.

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Female 15,763
I don`t think that going into the war being a mistake means that the soldiers are demeaned. Obviously I can`t say that he isn`t disrespected or pretend to know what the war is like better than him, but just because the people want it doesn`t mean that our being there is helping.

In fact, statistics (No, I won`t go look for them, this isn`t a formal debate) are saying that the people are getting more and more upset with American occupation.

I understand that their situation is unfair. It`s more than unfair, it`s unjust and inhumane. However, I don`t think there is a country big enough to go in and fix the situation without using up all of it`s resources and being in occupation for a ridiculous amount of time. That`s no help to anyone involved.

Getting in the middle of tensions that have been raging for literally hundreds of years was not a good idea. We weren`t big enough and we still aren`t to have a good fix, and it appears to me that it`s either fix it or don`t touch it.

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Male 7,933
"then who was it sponsered by?"

The guy who made it. I think I browsed through another one where he talks about economic policies.

And for yellowsquare, if it makes you feel any better that video is sort of like the HP commercials. No prosthetic leg.

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Female 1,545
God we`re so pure of heart.
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Female 527
then who was it sponsered by?
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Male 184
I guess I have to say it - The Iraq war WAS a mistake. We have terrible things going on in our own country, so how can we afford to try and fix other nations? Get our own in acceptable shape first - and then we can help others. You can`t help others unless you are in a fit state to do it. We are not in a fit state to help the Iraqi people.
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Female 1,545
And in response to Limpy McPatriot: Good thing the US is so nice and gets rid of all the baddies, huh buddy?
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Male 20,908
and by nice find, i mean provocative.
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Female 1,545
*puuuuuuuuuuuuuuke*

This was almost respectable until the end when they cue the pooty Lee Greenwood calamity of a song.

And the limping away on a prosthetic leg was a little too much "corny". I almost suffocated from the fake patriotism.

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Male 20,908
nice find, prime.
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Male 327
airsofter, are you telling me when he walks back into the road hes walking into a green screen? wuoldnt the screen rip?

not making sense, or did you just want the first post....

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Male 1,089
agreed my good sir, but its so obvious its a green screen
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Male 7,933
Link: Dear Mr. Obama [Rate Link] - Iraqi veteran`s message for Obama (this was not sponsored by McCain).
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