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Ron Paul `08
well. history would tell me, that Democrat after Democrat have lead the nations econmoy to storm. Clinton was so close to a surplus during his tenure, if he could have served another term, the surplus would have been there, and the debt paied off by now.
and time and time again, has a democrate been the only party to properly manage the economy. i want this video post to look at american history again, starting with great depression, and tell me, how did the story end?
If someone could develop a capitalistic tax plan that benefited the economy as well as every socioeconomic level, they deserve a freaking peace prize or something.
2) I seriously dislike Bush, but the economy is not his fault. It`s dumb people who took out loans they couldn`t afford.
3) Tax breaks are great, but McCain tax breaks suck. $300 for lower class, $1000 for middle class, and $2600 for upper-middle class and a $270000 for the upper class. On the other hand, Obama`s sucks too. $1000 for the lower class, $1300 for middle class, and upper-middle class $2200, but upper class will be taxed an additional 700000 a year. WTF??? My poor college status says that I want a bigger tax break under Obama, but the economy is such crap right now that foreign investors are coming in and buying up American stocks and property. By taking away the money from the upper class, we`re reducing the chance of them also investing in American businesses. These are also the same people that own the companies that employ Americans.
That being said, I`m not voting for McCain. I was hoping for Romney, someone who would have been much stronger with the economy. I have many problems with McCain on varying issues, and I felt that his choice for VP was extremely poor.
To me, you don`t vote for a pile of crap just because it stinks less than the other pile of crap. I only vote for someone who I feel is capable of running the country. This year I`m just going to vote for state/local elections.
Here`s hoping to having better candidates to choose from in 2012.
This video left out the Iraq war aswell, and didnt really make many factual points, just seemed like Obama bashing really.
Then again, im not american so what do i know eh.
Economics is a very tricky business, no pun intended.
<--- Voting for McCain, before and after Palin... not that it matters, the darn electoral college is the real decider.
And yes...They are very much Different.
(1) Check the Tax Policy Center stats.(2) Here is a incredibly detailed review of the Trickle Down Theory, with examples of how distribution of wealth affect different groups of people.(3) Here is McCain`s complete voting record. Concentrate particularly on Appropriations, and Budget, Spending, and Taxes.(4) This is just a common sense argument. There`s no hard stats for this one. I could cite you lots of papers on this subject, but they`re more arguments than anything else. Personally, I believe in small government for e
(1) Despite Obama`s inclination towards more government spending, McCain`s policy will increase the deficit more.(2) This video seems to attribute the "trickle-down theory" to taxing people who make over $250,000. And we all know that the "trickle down theory" only works on paper, and not in reality.(3) For all of you who are for a "smaller government," look at McCain`s voting policy for Bush`s bloated government spending. His voting policy has bloated wasteful government spending quite a bit.(4) Small government is great if somebody else takes responsibility (i.e. healthcare, alternative energy, housing). But when there is a responsibility VOID, the government needs to take over. Take, for example,
"The main point of what I was saying remains the same."
That`s impossible. You can`t use false statistics to prove a point. That`s just absurd.
Thats like me saying the sky is orange because hyrdrogen is red and oxygen is yellow, and when they mix it makes the sky turn orange, but only on non church days, because on church days it turns green out of envy for those who actually understand what the bible means.
In other words, once you tell a false statistic, the rest of your post is discredited and means nothing.
And really..."I was in a hurry." If you`re talking about the future of the United States, it`s best not get in a hurry, unless you have to go jump and down to make the sky turn pink or something.
I have done my research and read both sides of the arguments and came up with a different opinion, thanks. I respect that you came up with something different so don`t go around calling people idiots because you don`t know how they have formed their opinion.
thats what I say, but everyone makes Fox to be worse than the rest.
Someone asked me if, by saying that the media is liberally run, do I mean that people are naturally born conservative until the media steps in? No, I didn`t even imply that. What I mean is some people are brought up conservative and some liberal. But the average American doesn`t read into things anymore. Pizza, I invite you go go and start reading arguments against Obama. Go and raed essays against him and keep an open mind. Do in-depth research before you come out spewing what you are. Reading all pro-Obama things isn`t research because you are only getting one side.
And FOxnews is supposed to be conservative but it`s been blurring the line lately.
Understand that they are doing the same thing they are criticizing others for.
FSTV, seriously, get it somehow.
Yes, they`re all biased in a way, its true, THEY ARE NOT ROBOTS. Why can`t celebrities and people in popular music have an opinion and voice it, are they not part of this country too?
Ugh watch FSTV channel 9415 on Dish if you have it, there`s real news for you. That is how I`ve formed my opinions.
Give me a f*cking break, hiding behind that whole "oh you don`t think for youself because of the liberal media" is just TIRED AND OLD.
That is why Fox is out there because people flock to what they want to hear.
My biggest problem is people criticizing shows on MSNBC like Olberman or Maddow as being biased, WELL ITS A F*CKING OPINION SHOW at least they don`t go around saying "THIS IS THE NO SPIN ZONE" God DAMMIT. Admit to when you are giving your personal opinion that can be swayed by your own experience and perspective.
Everything has a bias there is nothing free of it. Get OVER IT.
The press is dominated by liberals, That is fact.When asked why they went into journalism, Nearly all said, "To change the world" (In one way or another).
They are trying to make perception into reality. When they control the perception part, It`s not hard to sway public opinion. People are being spoon fed what to believe by what they see in their news, celebrities, and popular music.
Quit being led by the nose people. Wake up and do some research for yourself. Actually take the time to look at the other side of story.
Oh wait, I forgot, That might take some work, That might mean :gasp: that your peers, idols and ethos are wrong.
Yep. Its that simple.
Its not liberal, its just whatever gets them more ratings they will put on the air. Talking about his pig comments and that kindergarten sex ad hurts him but they want to talk about it for ratings!! Ratings, ratings, ratings!
That`s all its about!
NYT posting facts about Palin`s earmarks and scandal isn`t the left wing media striking at her. Quit complaining about it.
Yes, they have editorial pieces where they give their opinion. These are very educated people that have seen all sides of an issue and then give their opinion, what is wrong with that?
Yeah, just walk/drive up here, find a immigration office, get a photo, ask them about citizenship, end of story.
Anyone from Canada can tell me about immigration to your country? I`d rather go to the Netherlands but I hear its very hard to get citizenship there.
I`m heading out for now. Any more talking I do on here will just be the same: Contradicting more foolish conservative views, and I will be saying the same things about how that`s not true, or it`s made up.
Reread the last two big articles I posted. That`s all I can tell you.
Right... there`s no liberal media...
If you want to word it that way, we have also stayed in Germany for over 60 years.
He supports a 5 year withdrawal but never a complete withdrawal... like we still have in Germany.
And Debt is really over stated. 1. ITs public debt thats important2. Look up Ricardian economics.
Winning a primary does not mean you`re qualified. It just shows he cares more about the election than he does Illinois (spent half of his time campaigning)
" and the race card being played by the media at every turn."
Right... the media said "Typical Whites" right?
"Also, Barack Obama is the author of 2 best selling books, which has earned him millions and he writes his own speeches, one which electrified the nation 4 years ago. His most recent speech was seen by over 40 million households, beating the viewership of the opening Olympic Ceremony or American Idol."
Ok, he`s good at speeches. Thats a dime a dozen. What about after the lights go off?
Beyond that, Barack Obama was endorsed by the largest array of newspapers editorial boards, national politicians, political interest groups, than any other primary candidate to ever run. In other words, he comes to us highly recommended.
Also, Barack Obama is the author of 2 best selling books, which has earned him millions and he writes his own speeches, one which electrified the nation 4 years ago. His most recent speech was seen by over 40 million households, beating the viewership of the opening Olympic Ceremony or American Idol.
Barack Obama became a United State Senator 4 years ago, and represents the 5th most populous state in the Nation. He has passed major legislations, and has sat on major committees, both on domestic and foreign issues. He has worked closely with those associated as the top leaders in our government and he has passed important bipartisan bills that have affected 300+ million Americans.Further, Barack Obama started a presidential campaign from scratch, and in so doing, created the best ran political organization our history has ever witnessed, shattering records after records.
Barack Obama was also a State Senator for 8 years. Again, he was elected to that office, and his district`s constituents numbered in the hundreds of thousands. He drafted laws and passed legislation that effected the 12+ million who resided in the s
In reference to Barack Obama`s qualification for becoming President, the first is that he contested in the primary elections, was thoroughly vetted, and won his party`s primary. In otherwords, he interviewed for the position, and got the job because he earned it. In America, the people get to decide who has enough experience, and it was determined that Barack Obama does.
To compare Sarah Palin`s experience of running a town of 8,000+ people into the ground, or governing Alaska, the 48th most populous state in the nation for not yet 2 years to Barack is improper, as she is to be compared to Joe Biden, since they are running for the same job.
Alaska experienced an oil boom shortly after she was sworn in (just see when the price per a barrel of oil shot up), and to credit her is ludicrous. She may be a nice person who hunts and fishes, but this is a big election which will not be about small things such as who can shoot a gun the furthest.
Are you serious?
Ok thats it, im leaving. I took you seriously up to that point.
Except there is no such thing as liberal media.
Think about it. These news channels are owned by corperations, and Republicans support the large majority of them giving money to those higher ups in companies and. As a result, news channels tend to praise the right.
Fox is so right winged that they trash any person who says anything left winged, and treat them like 3rd class citizens. (just watch the documentary "outfoxed"
Even MSNBC (owned my microsoft) is right winged, only featuring Keith Oberman and Rachel Maddow on there (both liberals), because it`s making money for their corporation.
So calling news channels "liberal" is not only complettely wrong, it`s actually sad, because as long as republicans give money to corporations and corporations pay for these news stations, media will never be politically balanced.
Well actually, she has more executive experience than he does.
"Watch the entire Obama campaign. He clearly is ready to lead a country with a strong vp. (you obviously weren`t paying attention, or just being ignorant, during his speech."
I had to write a report on his speech, my teacher is extremely liberal, and I still got an A. It didn`t impress me at all.
"Palin has just been a senator in a nowhere town in Alaska. "She was a Governor, actual executive experience.
Watch the entire Obama campaign. He clearly is ready to lead a country with a strong vp. (you obviously weren`t paying attention, or just being ignorant, during his speech.
Palin has just been a senator in a nowhere town in Alaska. Even then, before he picked her, McCain met her just once. To just make a decision on the spot like that is one of the MANY reasons that McCain is irresponsible, and he is not a strong leader.
And a republican using the word "truth hurts"?
Please just start paying attention more in High School history and civics classes as you clearly do not understand the differences between the parties.
Americans need to unite and vote for a positive CHANGE, and for two true leaders (Obama and Biden). Not an ECHO of the last 8 dark years filled with more lies and financial troubles for Americans (McSame and Palin).
You mean a freshman senator who spent half of the time campaigning?
"I bet you think he has a plan for the env, and he`ll stop gas prices from rising."
1. The oil Bubble burst. People aren`t speculating as much as before2. Its supply and demand. Opec has the supply, we demand they release more. but since that wont happen, nothing will drive gas prices down.
"I bet you think his VP is experienced enough in politics to lead our entire country and troops."No, but she has just as much experience as Obama, so I`ll go with McCain.
"...Truth hurts doesn`t it?"
I was going to say the same thing to you. All you`re doing is posing questions as fact.
So I guess you think McCain has an ajenda he plans to keep and he actually has a plan to get our troops out of Iraq and go after the REAL terrorist who cost thousands of people their lives on 9-11.
I bet you think he has a plan for the env, and he`ll stop gas prices from rising.
I bet you think his VP is experienced enough in politics to lead our entire country and troops.
It`s simple, McCain and Palin follow what all republicans follow. Lies, false promises, and more money for corporations than the middle and lower class. Lies, lies and more lies.
...Truth hurts doesn`t it?
"Dear citizens of the USA: Your choice this November will affect the entire world. As citizens of other nations, we urge you to vote -- and, when you do so, to consider global issues like climate change, human rights, poverty, and peace. Our futures are intertwined. So when you vote, remember us."
The World Wants Obama
Do the right thing please!
I did see it, he didn`t part the waters like I expected him to
"(no experience in Washington but I`ll learn as I go)"I could`ve sworn you were talking about Obama
What it says, I`d argue, is that the Obama campaign is wrong to suggest that a McCain-Palin administration would just be a continuation of Bush-Cheney. If the way John McCain and Sarah Palin are campaigning is any indication, it would be much, much worse.
I`m talking, instead, about the relationship between the character of a campaign and that of the administration that follows. Thus, the deceptive and dishonest 2000 Bush-Cheney campaign provided an all-too-revealing preview of things to come. In fact, my early suspicion that we were being misled about the threat from Iraq came from the way the political tactics being used to sell the war resembled the tactics that had earlier been used to sell the Bush tax cuts.
They`re probably also counting on the prevalence of horse-race reporting, so that instead of the story being "McCain campaign lies," it becomes "Obama on defensive in face of attacks."
Still, how upset should we be about the McCain campaign`s lies? I mean, politics ain`t beanbag, and all that.
One answer is that the muck being hurled by the McCain campaign is preventing a debate on real issues — on whether the country really wants, for example, to continue the economic policies of the last eight years.
But there`s another answer, which may be even more important: how a politician campaigns tells you a lot about how he or she would govern.
Or take the story of Mr. Obama`s alleged advocacy of kindergarten sex-ed. In reality, he supported legislation calling for "age and developmentally appropriate education"; in the case of young children, that would have meant guidance to help them avoid sexual predators.
And then there`s the claim that Mr. Obama`s use of the ordinary metaphor "putting lipstick on a pig" was a sexist smear, and on and on.
Why do the McCain people think they can get away with this stuff? Well, they`re probably counting on the common practice in the news media of being "balanced" at all costs. You know how it goes: If a politician says that black is white, the news report doesn`t say that he`s wrong, it reports that "some Democrats say" that he`s wrong. Or a grotesque lie from one side is paired with a trivial misstatement from the other, conveying the impression that b
Take the case of the Bridge to Nowhere, which supposedly gives Ms. Palin credentials as a reformer. Well, when campaigning for governor, Ms. Palin didn`t say "no thanks" — she was all for the bridge, even though it had already become a national scandal, insisting that she would "not allow the spinmeisters to turn this project or any other into something that`s so negative."
Oh, and when she finally did decide to cancel the project, she didn`t righteously reject a handout from Washington: she accepted the handout, but spent it on something else. You see, long before she decided to cancel the bridge, Congress had told Alaska that it could keep the federal money originally earmarked for that project and use it elsewhere.
Article Tools Sponsored ByBy PAUL KRUGMANPublished: September 11, 2008
Did you hear about how Barack Obama wants to have sex education in kindergarten, and called Sarah Palin a pig? Did you hear about how Ms. Palin told Congress, "Thanks, but no thanks" when it wanted to buy Alaska a Bridge to Nowhere?
These stories have two things in common: they`re all claims recently made by the McCain campaign — and they`re all out-and-out lies.
Dishonesty is nothing new in politics. I spent much of 2000 — my first year at The Times — trying to alert readers to the blatant dishonesty of the Bush campaign`s claims about taxes, spending and Social Security.
But I can`t think of any precedent, at least in America, for the blizzard of lies since the Republican convention. The Bush campaign`s lies in 2000 were artful — you needed some grasp of arithmetic to realize that you were being conned.
Just a scenario I`ll throw out for you starrstreet.
First, lets look at the brackets.
For 2008, the Federal tax brackets for a single (unmarried) person are:
* 10%: from $0 to $8,025 * 15%: from $8,026 to $32,550 * 25%: from $32,551 to $78,850 * 28%: from $78,851 to $164,550 * 33%: from $164,551 to $357,700 * 35%: $357,701 and above
Lets take 3 different people.
Bob drops out of high school, flips burgers at McDonalds for life. Earns 20,000 per year.
George goes through high school, gets a decent job making 40,000 a year.
Sam works his ass off, does himself proud, becomes a doctor or lawyer, makes smart investments, and makes 600,000 a year.
Sure, they should all pay on 100% of their income, but why should the man/woman who worked so hard to be successful, pay a higher PERCENTAGE than someone who doesn`t really care?
That, in my opinion, is like a gas station charging different prices for gas based on
Obama actually has a realistic and believable plan, that is believable and he knows how to achieve these goals with responsibility. (and since you obviously have not watched the entire speech Obama gave, you don`t realize he is a true leader. Put together, Obama and Biden are a strong team of true leadersthat will revive America after two republican "leaders" (that McCain supports) destroyed our country. (Still supporting Bush/Cheney at this point is idiotic).
The liar team of McPalin not only said the exact same things, but spent most of the time instead trashing Obama and Biden, and I actually watched the Republican convention, and the whole time I was shaking my head wondering how people believe these people are telling the truth and are leaders
I highly doubt ANY of that information is correct, in fact, I KNOW that it isnt.
Lets see, the war started March 20, 2003.That`s 2004 days ago.
And you say that we have spent 570 billion dollars on the war. Okay. I highly doubt that is the correct figure, I`d say it is much larger.
So lets do that math... AH!
284,431,137 each day. That`s not quite 300 million... Sure, it is close, but anyone that thinks 15 million shouldn`t count should just give it all to me then.
86,400 seconds in a day.
285 million (roughly) / 86,400
Wow.... 3,298 dollars a second. Whoa. That`s a lot of money. But it`s NOWHERE CLOSE to the 30,000 a second you claimed.
In fact, for it to be 30,000 a SECOND, we would have to be spending approximatly 2.6 BILLION a day, or a total of 5.2 Trillion dollars for the entire war. That`s WELL over the actual estimated economic impact of the war.
The sad part is you have people like gorgack2000 believing you. Hence the power of t
Wakes up.... Didn`t reagan do that.. and it worked... I love Reaganomics.
Thats why you always see more fiscal conservatives than liberals (what are they called these days, is it Reagan Democrats?)
"His tax breaks aren`t going to hurt big businesses as much as this says; they`re not going to have to lay off a whole bunch of people in the way it describes and its not going raise inflation that rapidly."
You mean the same way Liberals said the minimum wage increase wouldn`t hurt anyone and the next day Ford laid off 30000 people.
1.He is for a 5 year removal plan.2. the war helped us out in so many ways. Right before the war started hollywood was really struggling. This war led to so many movies, media coverage, post on IAB...
"government itself is basically an epic fail. i went to a catholic school and i`m now finding i am quite a bit ahead of my classmates in high school. once again no my age isn`t right."
My AP english teacher is teaching us what she taught students at a 20k a year school in 6th grade.
Under Bush we went to the highest GDP of all time, after a major increase there is always a temporary recession, always has, always will
Foreclosures are the fault of bankers and people who took out loans in markets that didnt have financial backgrounds.
"I vote for a damn change. I`m freaking tired of 8 years of the same damn thing."
Hope is a good breakfast, but a bad supper.
*John McCain wins*
So if there is no "victory" why do some criticize the people who want to leave are okay with losing this war? If there is no victory then leaving wouldn`t mean defeat.
(+1 point if you get the callback)
He at least can step back and go WOAH WOAH WOAH this is not about politics right now, our economy is sick and we cannot keep doing what we are doing now.
You forget that those people getting the tax breaks in Obama`s plan are going to be putting that money into the economy right away. Lets just say its 80% who gets those tax breaks, that is 240 million people spending that money and giving it right to businesses.
His tax breaks aren`t going to hurt big businesses as much as this says; they`re not going to have to lay off a whole bunch of people in the way it describes and its not going raise inflation that rapidly.
Also small businesses are going to be protected and not hurt by his economic plan.
Alternative - the way it is now, don`t forget that.
(I`m studying economics)
You can`t possibly be asserting that all people are naturally born conservative but are warped by the liberal media?
People can tend to liberal viewpoints without the influence of the media. It happens quite frequently, in fact.
People who go for liberal ideas go that way because the media is liberally-run. Argue my point all you want but go to a bookstore and go the magazine section. You`ll see all sorts of tabloids about the candidates. All the obama ones are `he`s our savior` and all the mccain/palin ones are `shocking family issues!`
People don`t do research before they make a decision politically. They just take what the media spoonfeeds them and argue about stuff they don`t understand.
Socialism, in a perfect society, is fine. But in real life, taxes are raised, and freedoms are lost.
Obama is about change and hope all right, He changes his promises and hopes no one notices.He thinks he can be everything to everyone. When in fact, He is nothing to no one but himself.
If that sort of health care is so popular then why are Canadians paying extra to get transplants here in the USA ? Think dealing with an HMO is bad ? Dealing with the Gov`t is worse, I know. I`m on Gov`t health care right now and its no picnic having to get permission from them to get treated.
As for this video - utter crap. I`m sure McCain`s economic policy is so much better, since it`s pretty much like Bush`s. And, after all, the economy is THRIVING at the moment. Oh wait... foreclosures rising? Unemployment rising? Oops... sorry. Something needs to happen to give the economy a swift kick in the rear.
Whether that`s Obama or not, I can`t say. But it definitely needs to be something different than what Bush has done. And I really don`t think McCain (Bush`s twin, it seems) would be that person. And Palin`s just all around useless.
I guess its just easier for some people to sleep at night after attempting to seed terror in the voters while hiding your face... Might as well have a black hood on and be speaking arabic. Not to mention, someone needs to pick up a history book and learn how much worse Hoover was than Carter.
Because they make great Vice Presidents...
he believes instant criminal background checks must be conducted really fast to ensure that unnecessary delays do not effectively block transactions.
John McCain has opposed "waiting periods" for law abiding citizen`s purchase of firearms.
He opposes bans on assault weapons and high capacity magazines
Because I need my gun right the fu*k now...
Then all the contrived hand gestures and scripted speech.
I do agree somewhat though. I think the government needs to be small and I dislike socialist policies greatly. I don`t think the middle class necessarily needs tax breaks as badly as everyone is raving about...though the taxes on the richest could be raised back to pre-Bush levels. Especially considering the way in which corporations are taxed at the moment.
Just regarding items brought up in this video, I don`t want to see more spending on socialist programs (dislike the concept of social security, wary of universal health care, ...) and hope for a wisely-reformed taxation system.
But that doesn`t mean I think the Republican Party is the right choice. Sure this guy makes Obama seem like a terrible decision, but that`s because he supports McCain. When one hears a single side of an argument that side commonly sounds the better.
it is john mccain who is against abortion, he is also against gay marriage (he wants the states to decide if you can marry someone or not)
if that isn`t control then i don`t know what is...
Then again, HE CAN MAKE WORDS APPEAR OUT OF THIN AIR! CAN OBAMA DO THAT? DIDN`T THINK SO!
His argument on taxes is... retarded. China, Japan and Europe has much larger taxes and are out performing the U.S.
And stagflation was inherited from Nixon.
Socialistic -- this shows the guy is a right-wing doofus who knows how to spout off but isn`t aware that the right-wing politicians have grown the government faster than liberals.
I sometimes think America doesn`t deserve Obama.
"I told ya so" doesn`t ease the pain of stagflation, gas lines, and unemployment (like we had under Carter).
Regulation is different than taking things, Like heath care, Over completely.
The FDIC guarantees or banks, Its a very good thing. The banks pay into the FDIC fund when they get federal reserve bank loans. In turn if a bank is about to fail, It is the Gov`ts responsibility (by law) to protect a banks depositors up to $100,000. This "takeover" will be temporary and "fannie" and "freddie" will probably return (maybe in a few years) with better guidelines for giving out loans.
I think these make great space for discussions. Political thinking doesn`t have to start at 18.
Though I won`t have much to say in this one. I`ve always had a bit if trouble trying to understand economics. What he`s saying sounds reasonable, but then again so does what Obama`s saying.