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131 Responses to Dear Mr. Obama Part 2: Economics 101

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    primetimekin Male 18-29
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    September 12, 2008 at 9:30 pm
    Link: Dear Mr. Obama Part 2: Economics 101 - Since the first one was so popular...
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    patthebaker Male 18-29
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    September 12, 2008 at 10:04 pm
    obama is such a troll
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    opiebreath Female 18-29
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    September 12, 2008 at 10:10 pm
    *facepalm* Here we go again...

    Though I won`t have much to say in this one. I`ve always had a bit if trouble trying to understand economics. What he`s saying sounds reasonable, but then again so does what Obama`s saying.

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    kenny_f Male 13-17
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    September 12, 2008 at 10:12 pm
    I find it funny that the only american they could find happened to be a fat loudmouth, obviously speaking from a script. And prime, we get it, you`re a conservative christian, and you want the world to agree, but stop posting these political posts when half of the people on this site are too young to vote.
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    primetimekin Male 18-29
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    September 12, 2008 at 10:17 pm
    yeah but half of the site can vote...
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    NYnewburgh Male 18-29
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    September 12, 2008 at 10:19 pm
    ok woah. the republican "small govt" line no longer applys if u rly look deep into it. it only applys to the economic plans, and even then, all power has shifted to corporation, who are then allowed to do w.e the F-uck they want : cheat ppl out of money( subprime mortgages ) then fail so horribly it ends up hurting everyone ( fannie mae and freddie mac ), and with our current replubican administration , THEY decided to take over fannie and freddie, how is that small govt? they could have split it into smaller private companies to maintain the free market along with preventing further collapse. SOME business regulation is needed, to prevent this fraud which in turns screws us all up. and how can that guy not remember that Blackwater is a company which has over thousands "contractors" ( solidiers) in iraq. No regulations leads to corporations taking over, and all they want is profit.
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    unreedemed Male 13-17
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    September 12, 2008 at 10:21 pm
    *deep breathe*

    LUXURYTAX,MARRIAGETAX,SOCIALSECURITYTAX...

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    kenny_f Male 13-17
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    September 12, 2008 at 10:21 pm
    But you can`t, and you never have, so what would you know about it?
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    NYnewburgh Male 18-29
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    September 12, 2008 at 10:23 pm
    but i do have to say Obama biggest weakness is his economic plan. i dont kno the exact details but from wat i kno, he plans on raising taxes on ppl who make 250,000 dollars a yr or more. this is gonna hurt small and local business owners, since most of them file taxes individualy. which means less jobs, and less of alot more things. i dont wanna get into it. but i stil vote obama. one guy doesnt have supreme power over what happens, hes gonna have smart ppl around him to fix things.
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    djmofo117 Male 13-17
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    September 12, 2008 at 10:29 pm
    i got my voter registration card the other day only reason i say that is cause my 18 birthday is a little less a month away from the actual voting day (early oct.) it said i have to be 17 years 10 months to register and 18 by the time i vote which i was very happy to see i made the requirement for.
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    opiebreath Female 18-29
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    September 12, 2008 at 10:33 pm
    Kenny, I disagree.

    I think these make great space for discussions. Political thinking doesn`t have to start at 18.

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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    September 12, 2008 at 10:35 pm
    Another good link Prime :-)
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    kenny_f Male 13-17
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    September 12, 2008 at 10:38 pm
    I`m not saying there`s anything wrong with thinking, it`s just that it seems very futile to be attacking someone`s policy when you are incapable of deciding if that person is worthy of being the president. I mean, if this guy is right, all it would prove is being able to say "I told you so!" in a few years.
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    NYnewburgh Male 18-29
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    September 12, 2008 at 10:43 pm
    its not an issue of right or wrong, its informing ppl on how things rly are. to fully describe the resolutions each candidate has for a real serious issue. Without informed ppl, they will vote on who "they wanna have a beer with" or not vote for obama cuz it sounds like osama. ( trust me theres ppl like that ). and so when someone asks you why you like one guy over the other, u have a real answer. instead of " cuz hes black " or " cuz he believes in jesus " .
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    September 12, 2008 at 10:50 pm
    NY: We have lots and lots of existing regulations involving banking, corporations, etc...

    Regulation is different than taking things, Like heath care, Over completely.

    The FDIC guarantees or banks, Its a very good thing. The banks pay into the FDIC fund when they get federal reserve bank loans. In turn if a bank is about to fail, It is the Gov`ts responsibility (by law) to protect a banks depositors up to $100,000. This "takeover" will be temporary and "fannie" and "freddie" will probably return (maybe in a few years) with better guidelines for giving out loans.

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    Hungwell Male 18-29
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    September 12, 2008 at 10:54 pm
    Thanks for posting this
    I`ve been irritated over my lack of knowledge to make an educated vote
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    September 12, 2008 at 10:55 pm
    kenny f: I certainly don`t want to have to live through another "Jimmy Carter" like presidency.

    "I told ya so" doesn`t ease the pain of stagflation, gas lines, and unemployment (like we had under Carter).

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    kenny_f Male 13-17
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    September 12, 2008 at 11:02 pm
    And what do you call what happened during this presidency? an affect of the enviroment? do you really think mccain will do better?
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    NYnewburgh Male 18-29
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    September 12, 2008 at 11:05 pm
    im surprised the republicans and the mainstream media havnt made more of an issue over Obama`s economic plan which sort of scares me, and i like obama. all i see are wall street ppl making a big deal over it, and ul only see that on CNBC. and unless ur an investor, not many ppl watch cnbc.
    and to crakrjkr : i already know all that, im just saying that the republicans can sometimes be hypocrytical in thier actions and yet avoid scrutiny over it.
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    tnaran Male 30-39
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    September 12, 2008 at 11:12 pm
    The non-partisan groups who checked McCain`s math and Obama`s math said McCain`s has a bigger deficit.

    His argument on taxes is... retarded. China, Japan and Europe has much larger taxes and are out performing the U.S.

    And stagflation was inherited from Nixon.

    Socialistic -- this shows the guy is a right-wing doofus who knows how to spout off but isn`t aware that the right-wing politicians have grown the government faster than liberals.

    I sometimes think America doesn`t deserve Obama.

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    yen223 Male 18-29
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    September 12, 2008 at 11:29 pm
    There`s just so many things he said which is just plain wrong.

    Then again, HE CAN MAKE WORDS APPEAR OUT OF THIN AIR! CAN OBAMA DO THAT? DIDN`T THINK SO!

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    orionsbelt Male 18-29
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    September 12, 2008 at 11:32 pm
    he means less government in a very narrow sense...

    it is john mccain who is against abortion, he is also against gay marriage (he wants the states to decide if you can marry someone or not)

    if that isn`t control then i don`t know what is...

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    Stentorian Male 13-17
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    September 12, 2008 at 11:32 pm
    What an ugly shirt.

    Then all the contrived hand gestures and scripted speech.

    I do agree somewhat though. I think the government needs to be small and I dislike socialist policies greatly. I don`t think the middle class necessarily needs tax breaks as badly as everyone is raving about...though the taxes on the richest could be raised back to pre-Bush levels. Especially considering the way in which corporations are taxed at the moment.

    Just regarding items brought up in this video, I don`t want to see more spending on socialist programs (dislike the concept of social security, wary of universal health care, ...) and hope for a wisely-reformed taxation system.

    But that doesn`t mean I think the Republican Party is the right choice. Sure this guy makes Obama seem like a terrible decision, but that`s because he supports McCain. When one hears a single side of an argument that side commonly sounds the better.

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    Stentorian Male 13-17
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    September 12, 2008 at 11:33 pm
    I may disagree with Obama on some significant points, but I still very strongly prefer him over McCain. Besides, the president doesn`t make decisions on their own.
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    orionsbelt Male 18-29
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    September 12, 2008 at 11:40 pm
    but don`t worry...McCain won`t inhibit your gun rights in any way...

    he believes instant criminal background checks must be conducted really fast to ensure that unnecessary delays do not effectively block transactions.

    John McCain has opposed "waiting periods" for law abiding citizen`s purchase of firearms.

    He opposes bans on assault weapons and high capacity magazines


    John McCain

    Because I need my gun right the fu*k now...

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    rasputin3x Male 18-29
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    September 12, 2008 at 11:43 pm
    Stentorian you are bang on target
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    orionsbelt Male 18-29
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    September 12, 2008 at 11:43 pm

    Hockey moms

    Because they make great Vice Presidents...

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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    September 12, 2008 at 11:50 pm
    No society has ever taxed itself into prosperity.
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    flying_ltj Male 18-29
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    September 13, 2008 at 12:04 am
    Doomsaying 101 would be more like it.

    I guess its just easier for some people to sleep at night after attempting to seed terror in the voters while hiding your face... Might as well have a black hood on and be speaking arabic. Not to mention, someone needs to pick up a history book and learn how much worse Hoover was than Carter.

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    Vindicate Female 18-29
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    September 13, 2008 at 12:06 am
    Considering my mom`s in the healthcare industry and has to deal with bastard insurance companies all day - universal healthcare sounds like a damn good idea. It never made sense to me to have some people insured and not others.

    As for this video - utter crap. I`m sure McCain`s economic policy is so much better, since it`s pretty much like Bush`s. And, after all, the economy is THRIVING at the moment. Oh wait... foreclosures rising? Unemployment rising? Oops... sorry. Something needs to happen to give the economy a swift kick in the rear.

    Whether that`s Obama or not, I can`t say. But it definitely needs to be something different than what Bush has done. And I really don`t think McCain (Bush`s twin, it seems) would be that person. And Palin`s just all around useless.

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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    September 13, 2008 at 12:18 am
    Vindicate: My mother was a nurse too and she loathed the idea of "Canadian Style" Gov`t health care.

    If that sort of health care is so popular then why are Canadians paying extra to get transplants here in the USA ? Think dealing with an HMO is bad ? Dealing with the Gov`t is worse, I know. I`m on Gov`t health care right now and its no picnic having to get permission from them to get treated.

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    RickyGTO Male 18-29
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    September 13, 2008 at 12:19 am
    I vote for a damn change. I`m freaking tired of 8 years of the same damn thing.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    September 13, 2008 at 12:26 am
    Change for change`s sake isn`t a good idea... Change can be bad too you know.

    Obama is about change and hope all right, He changes his promises and hopes no one notices.
    He thinks he can be everything to everyone.
    When in fact, He is nothing to no one but himself.

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    PreoSmo Female 18-29
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    September 13, 2008 at 12:57 am
    Every dystopic book is about a society that is dystopic due to liberal`s taking over. I believe whole-heartedly that if we keep going the socialist`s route that we are, and suppressing language to avoid offense, trying to make everyone equal when no one`s the same, and giving the government more control, we are going to end up like Orwell`s vision, or Bradbury`s.

    People who go for liberal ideas go that way because the media is liberally-run. Argue my point all you want but go to a bookstore and go the magazine section. You`ll see all sorts of tabloids about the candidates. All the obama ones are `he`s our savior` and all the mccain/palin ones are `shocking family issues!`

    People don`t do research before they make a decision politically. They just take what the media spoonfeeds them and argue about stuff they don`t understand.

    Socialism, in a perfect society, is fine. But in real life, taxes are raised, and freedoms are lost.

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    Surfingninja Female 18-29
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    September 13, 2008 at 1:50 am
    The problem here is that people fail.
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    Surfingninja Female 18-29
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    September 13, 2008 at 1:51 am
    Also: *cough* communism *cough*
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    yellowsquare Female 18-29
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    September 13, 2008 at 1:56 am
    "People who go for liberal ideas go that way because the media is liberally-run."

    You can`t possibly be asserting that all people are naturally born conservative but are warped by the liberal media?

    People can tend to liberal viewpoints without the influence of the media. It happens quite frequently, in fact.

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    globpharm Male 18-29
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    September 13, 2008 at 3:03 am
    Americans lost our freedoms that is why i was left.
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    yellowsquare Female 18-29
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    September 13, 2008 at 3:47 am
    And his hand movements totally distracted me from his message. Mesmerizing.
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    kairobert Male 18-29
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    September 13, 2008 at 3:48 am
    Meh, capitalism sucks.
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    fuguthenub Male 18-29
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    September 13, 2008 at 4:40 am
    hello, im not from the U.S.A. and i dont give a poop about this poop.
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    mrtatulas Male 18-29
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    September 13, 2008 at 6:19 am
    My friends, there is a big elephant in the room this man is avoiding fully. Spending on the Iraq war... 570 billion dollars since it began? That`s more than $300 million a day... over $30,000 per SECOND... It was something that did not need to be done, mistake or not, it was not a necessary part of what the US government needed to do. A huge misdirection in funding... you know what taxpayers are REALLY paying for now? They`re paying for people to die.
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    airsofter1 Male 18-29
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    September 13, 2008 at 6:20 am
    government itself is basically an epic fail. i went to a catholic school and i`m now finding i am quite a bit ahead of my classmates in high school. once again no my age isn`t right.
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    starrstreet Female 18-29
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    September 13, 2008 at 6:25 am
    Oh yes, giving tax breaks to businesses that outsource is even better! Taxing only a small percentage of very rich peoples income is awesome too, whereas I, most of us, get taxed on 100% of it. Also, keeping greedy people with all the money/power HOPING they will give it back down to us poorer folk is just being ignorant. Wake up, we`re in the real world.

    You forget that those people getting the tax breaks in Obama`s plan are going to be putting that money into the economy right away. Lets just say its 80% who gets those tax breaks, that is 240 million people spending that money and giving it right to businesses.

    His tax breaks aren`t going to hurt big businesses as much as this says; they`re not going to have to lay off a whole bunch of people in the way it describes and its not going raise inflation that rapidly.

    Also small businesses are going to be protected and not hurt by his economic plan.

    Alternative - the way it is now, don`t forget that.

    (I`m studying economics)

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    starrstreet Female 18-29
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    September 13, 2008 at 6:28 am
    Even Ben Stein disagrees with this economic plan of Bush and McCain and he is a huge republican/conservative supporter.

    He at least can step back and go WOAH WOAH WOAH this is not about politics right now, our economy is sick and we cannot keep doing what we are doing now.

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    gorgack2000 Male 13-17
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    September 13, 2008 at 6:33 am
    "My friends, there is a big elephant in the room this man is avoiding fully. Spending on the Iraq war... 570 billion dollars since it began? That`s more than $300 million a day... over $30,000 per SECOND... It was something that did not need to be done, mistake or not, it was not a necessary part of what the US government needed to do. A huge misdirection in funding... you know what taxpayers are REALLY paying for now? They`re paying for people to die. "
    Sir, you are correct in every possible fashion.
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    Dragonlord Male 18-29
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    September 13, 2008 at 6:54 am
    You must all remember that, because this guy has no head, he is a terrorist from the group Anonymous.

    (+1 point if you get the callback)

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    starrstreet Female 18-29
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    September 13, 2008 at 6:58 am
    Also, can someone explain to me what "victory" means over there? I mean cause that`s what people talk about, we`re not leaving til there is a victory. General Petraeus even said that this isn`t that kind of war that the word victory can be applied to.

    So if there is no "victory" why do some criticize the people who want to leave are okay with losing this war? If there is no victory then leaving wouldn`t mean defeat.

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    starrstreet Female 18-29
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    September 13, 2008 at 7:01 am
    Sometimes you have to admit that what you want to accomplish may never realistically be reached in a time frame that justifies all the money wasted.
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    Anish Male 13-17
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    September 13, 2008 at 7:11 am
    ELECTION SPOILER:

    *John McCain wins*

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    primetimekin Male 18-29
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    September 13, 2008 at 7:12 am
    "As for this video - utter crap. I`m sure McCain`s economic policy is so much better, since it`s pretty much like Bush`s. And, after all, the economy is THRIVING at the moment. Oh wait... foreclosures rising? Unemployment rising? Oops... sorry. Something needs to happen to give the economy a swift kick in the rear."

    Under Bush we went to the highest GDP of all time, after a major increase there is always a temporary recession, always has, always will

    Foreclosures are the fault of bankers and people who took out loans in markets that didnt have financial backgrounds.


    "I vote for a damn change. I`m freaking tired of 8 years of the same damn thing."

    Hope is a good breakfast, but a bad supper.

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    primetimekin Male 18-29
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    September 13, 2008 at 7:14 am
    "My friends, there is a big elephant in the room this man is avoiding fully. Spending on the Iraq war... 570 billion dollars since it began? That`s more than $300 million a day... over $30,000 per SECOND... It was something that did not need to be done, mistake or not, it was not a necessary part of what the US government needed to do. A huge misdirection in funding... you know what taxpayers are REALLY paying for now? They`re paying for people to die."

    1.He is for a 5 year removal plan.
    2. the war helped us out in so many ways. Right before the war started hollywood was really struggling. This war led to so many movies, media coverage, post on IAB...

    "government itself is basically an epic fail. i went to a catholic school and i`m now finding i am quite a bit ahead of my classmates in high school. once again no my age isn`t right."

    My AP english teacher is teaching us what she taught students at a 20k a year school in 6th grade.

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    primetimekin Male 18-29
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    September 13, 2008 at 7:17 am
    "HOPING they will give it back down to us poorer folk is just being ignorant. Wake up, we`re in the real world."

    Wakes up.... Didn`t reagan do that.. and it worked... I love Reaganomics.


    Thats why you always see more fiscal conservatives than liberals (what are they called these days, is it Reagan Democrats?)

    "His tax breaks aren`t going to hurt big businesses as much as this says; they`re not going to have to lay off a whole bunch of people in the way it describes and its not going raise inflation that rapidly."

    You mean the same way Liberals said the minimum wage increase wouldn`t hurt anyone and the next day Ford laid off 30000 people.

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    slayjordan Male 18-29
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    September 13, 2008 at 7:25 am
    First up.

    mrtatulas

    I highly doubt ANY of that information is correct, in fact, I KNOW that it isnt.

    Lets see, the war started March 20, 2003.
    That`s 2004 days ago.

    And you say that we have spent 570 billion dollars on the war. Okay. I highly doubt that is the correct figure, I`d say it is much larger.

    So lets do that math... AH!

    284,431,137 each day. That`s not quite 300 million... Sure, it is close, but anyone that thinks 15 million shouldn`t count should just give it all to me then.

    86,400 seconds in a day.

    285 million (roughly) / 86,400

    Wow.... 3,298 dollars a second. Whoa. That`s a lot of money. But it`s NOWHERE CLOSE to the 30,000 a second you claimed.

    In fact, for it to be 30,000 a SECOND, we would have to be spending approximatly 2.6 BILLION a day, or a total of 5.2 Trillion dollars for the entire war. That`s WELL over the actual estimated economic impact of the war.

    The sad part is you have people like gorgack2000 believing you. Hence the power of t

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    pizzabob18 Male 18-29
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    September 13, 2008 at 7:28 am
    Prime, stop getting your "facts" from people`s videos online, and websites, and start actually reading facts, and what is true about what each canidate will do.

    Obama actually has a realistic and believable plan, that is believable and he knows how to achieve these goals with responsibility. (and since you obviously have not watched the entire speech Obama gave, you don`t realize he is a true leader. Put together, Obama and Biden are a strong team of true leadersthat will revive America after two republican "leaders" (that McCain supports) destroyed our country. (Still supporting Bush/Cheney at this point is idiotic).

    The liar team of McPalin not only said the exact same things, but spent most of the time instead trashing Obama and Biden, and I actually watched the Republican convention, and the whole time I was shaking my head wondering how people believe these people are telling the truth and are leaders

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    pizzabob18 Male 18-29
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    September 13, 2008 at 7:29 am
    McSame and (no experience in Washington but I`ll learn as I go) Palin are not fit to lead a country and our troops, and thinking they will and supporting them is idiotic, and makes you, as usual stubborn as a mule, and I guess you`re just supporting them because you`re Republican too, and only support people based on party, not on experience, or leadership.
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    slayjordan Male 18-29
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    September 13, 2008 at 7:31 am
    Secondly...

    Just a scenario I`ll throw out for you starrstreet.

    First, lets look at the brackets.

    For 2008, the Federal tax brackets for a single (unmarried) person are:

    * 10%: from $0 to $8,025
    * 15%: from $8,026 to $32,550
    * 25%: from $32,551 to $78,850
    * 28%: from $78,851 to $164,550
    * 33%: from $164,551 to $357,700
    * 35%: $357,701 and above

    ^^Wiki.

    Lets take 3 different people.

    Bob drops out of high school, flips burgers at McDonalds for life. Earns 20,000 per year.

    George goes through high school, gets a decent job making 40,000 a year.

    Sam works his ass off, does himself proud, becomes a doctor or lawyer, makes smart investments, and makes 600,000 a year.

    Sure, they should all pay on 100% of their income, but why should the man/woman who worked so hard to be successful, pay a higher PERCENTAGE than someone who doesn`t really care?

    That, in my opinion, is like a gas station charging different prices for gas based on

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    slayjordan Male 18-29
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    September 13, 2008 at 7:32 am
    Based on what car you drive.
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    pizzabob18 Male 18-29
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    September 13, 2008 at 7:33 am
    Plus, here`s official proof the McCain team is full of lies, as they cause false controversy to the other party rather than admitting Obama/Biden are right - ..posting article..
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    pizzabob18 Male 18-29
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    September 13, 2008 at 7:34 am
    Blizzard of Lies

    Article Tools Sponsored By
    By PAUL KRUGMAN
    Published: September 11, 2008


    Did you hear about how Barack Obama wants to have sex education in kindergarten, and called Sarah Palin a pig? Did you hear about how Ms. Palin told Congress, "Thanks, but no thanks" when it wanted to buy Alaska a Bridge to Nowhere?

    These stories have two things in common: they`re all claims recently made by the McCain campaign — and they`re all out-and-out lies.

    Dishonesty is nothing new in politics. I spent much of 2000 — my first year at The Times — trying to alert readers to the blatant dishonesty of the Bush campaign`s claims about taxes, spending and Social Security.

    But I can`t think of any precedent, at least in America, for the blizzard of lies since the Republican convention. The Bush campaign`s lies in 2000 were artful — you needed some grasp of arithmetic to realize that you were being conned.

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    pizzabob18 Male 18-29
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    September 13, 2008 at 7:35 am
    This year, however, the McCain campaign keeps making assertions that anyone with an Internet connection can disprove in a minute, and repeating these assertions over and over again.

    Take the case of the Bridge to Nowhere, which supposedly gives Ms. Palin credentials as a reformer. Well, when campaigning for governor, Ms. Palin didn`t say "no thanks" — she was all for the bridge, even though it had already become a national scandal, insisting that she would "not allow the spinmeisters to turn this project or any other into something that`s so negative."

    Oh, and when she finally did decide to cancel the project, she didn`t righteously reject a handout from Washington: she accepted the handout, but spent it on something else. You see, long before she decided to cancel the bridge, Congress had told Alaska that it could keep the federal money originally earmarked for that project and use it elsewhere.

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    pizzabob18 Male 18-29
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    September 13, 2008 at 7:35 am
    So the whole story of Ms. Palin`s alleged heroic stand against wasteful spending is fiction.

    Or take the story of Mr. Obama`s alleged advocacy of kindergarten sex-ed. In reality, he supported legislation calling for "age and developmentally appropriate education"; in the case of young children, that would have meant guidance to help them avoid sexual predators.

    And then there`s the claim that Mr. Obama`s use of the ordinary metaphor "putting lipstick on a pig" was a sexist smear, and on and on.

    Why do the McCain people think they can get away with this stuff? Well, they`re probably counting on the common practice in the news media of being "balanced" at all costs. You know how it goes: If a politician says that black is white, the news report doesn`t say that he`s wrong, it reports that "some Democrats say" that he`s wrong. Or a grotesque lie from one side is paired with a trivial misstatement from the other, conveying the impression that b

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    pizzabob18 Male 18-29
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    September 13, 2008 at 7:37 am
    conveying the impression that both sides are equally dirty.

    They`re probably also counting on the prevalence of horse-race reporting, so that instead of the story being "McCain campaign lies," it becomes "Obama on defensive in face of attacks."

    Still, how upset should we be about the McCain campaign`s lies? I mean, politics ain`t beanbag, and all that.

    One answer is that the muck being hurled by the McCain campaign is preventing a debate on real issues — on whether the country really wants, for example, to continue the economic policies of the last eight years.

    But there`s another answer, which may be even more important: how a politician campaigns tells you a lot about how he or she would govern.

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    pizzabob18 Male 18-29
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    September 13, 2008 at 7:37 am
    I`m not talking about the theory, often advanced as a defense of horse-race political reporting, that the skills needed to run a winning campaign are the same as those needed to run the country. The contrast between the Bush political team`s ruthless effectiveness and the heckuva job done by the Bush administration is living, breathing, bumbling, and, in the case of the emerging Interior Department scandal, coke-snorting and bed-hopping proof to the contrary.

    I`m talking, instead, about the relationship between the character of a campaign and that of the administration that follows. Thus, the deceptive and dishonest 2000 Bush-Cheney campaign provided an all-too-revealing preview of things to come. In fact, my early suspicion that we were being misled about the threat from Iraq came from the way the political tactics being used to sell the war resembled the tactics that had earlier been used to sell the Bush tax cuts.

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    September 13, 2008 at 7:38 am
    And now the team that hopes to form the next administration is running a campaign that makes Bush-Cheney 2000 look like something out of a civics class. What does that say about how that team would run the country?

    What it says, I`d argue, is that the Obama campaign is wrong to suggest that a McCain-Palin administration would just be a continuation of Bush-Cheney. If the way John McCain and Sarah Palin are campaigning is any indication, it would be much, much worse.

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    primetimekin Male 18-29
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    September 13, 2008 at 7:40 am
    "Obama actually has a realistic and believable plan, that is believable and he knows how to achieve these goals with responsibility. (and since you obviously have not watched the entire speech Obama gave, you don`t realize he is a true leader."

    I did see it, he didn`t part the waters like I expected him to

    "(no experience in Washington but I`ll learn as I go)"
    I could`ve sworn you were talking about Obama

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    The_Maddog Male 30-39
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    September 13, 2008 at 7:40 am
    I`ll make this simple.

    "Dear citizens of the USA: Your choice this November will affect the entire world. As citizens of other nations, we urge you to vote -- and, when you do so, to consider global issues like climate change, human rights, poverty, and peace. Our futures are intertwined. So when you vote, remember us."

    The World Wants Obama

    Do the right thing please!

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    pizzabob18 Male 18-29
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    September 13, 2008 at 7:48 am
    Sorry Prime, Obama DOES have experience in Washington, and actually has a VP with Washington political experience. Your rebuttals are mere guesses about politics and the truth.

    So I guess you think McCain has an ajenda he plans to keep and he actually has a plan to get our troops out of Iraq and go after the REAL terrorist who cost thousands of people their lives on 9-11.

    I bet you think he has a plan for the env, and he`ll stop gas prices from rising.

    I bet you think his VP is experienced enough in politics to lead our entire country and troops.

    It`s simple, McCain and Palin follow what all republicans follow. Lies, false promises, and more money for corporations than the middle and lower class. Lies, lies and more lies.

    ...Truth hurts doesn`t it?

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    primetimekin Male 18-29
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    September 13, 2008 at 7:52 am
    "Obama DOES have experience in Washington."

    You mean a freshman senator who spent half of the time campaigning?

    "I bet you think he has a plan for the env, and he`ll stop gas prices from rising."

    1. The oil Bubble burst. People aren`t speculating as much as before
    2. Its supply and demand. Opec has the supply, we demand they release more. but since that wont happen, nothing will drive gas prices down.

    "I bet you think his VP is experienced enough in politics to lead our entire country and troops."
    No, but she has just as much experience as Obama, so I`ll go with McCain.

    "...Truth hurts doesn`t it?"

    I was going to say the same thing to you. All you`re doing is posing questions as fact.

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    6point02 Female 18-29
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    September 13, 2008 at 8:05 am
    how about people stop worrying so much about who everybody else is voting for? people should vote on the issues. pizza, you say republicans are followers and just go along with what other people say. but the media is clearly biased to the left. you probably wouldn`t notice that, because it doesn`t bother you. you say palin has no experience, but in reality the she is the only candidate this year who HAS executive experience. i`m not here to try and persuade anybody who to vote for, because that isn`t my decision to make. but if you really have a problem with "followers" you wouldn`t be here promoting any candidate.
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    pizzabob18 Male 18-29
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    September 13, 2008 at 8:10 am
    She has JUST has much experience as Obama? For the last time, start actually reading facts, and not just making up propaganda.

    Watch the entire Obama campaign. He clearly is ready to lead a country with a strong vp. (you obviously weren`t paying attention, or just being ignorant, during his speech.

    Palin has just been a senator in a nowhere town in Alaska. Even then, before he picked her, McCain met her just once. To just make a decision on the spot like that is one of the MANY reasons that McCain is irresponsible, and he is not a strong leader.

    And a republican using the word "truth hurts"?

    Please just start paying attention more in High School history and civics classes as you clearly do not understand the differences between the parties.

    Americans need to unite and vote for a positive CHANGE, and for two true leaders (Obama and Biden). Not an ECHO of the last 8 dark years filled with more lies and financial troubles for Americans (McSame and Palin).

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    primetimekin Male 18-29
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    September 13, 2008 at 8:15 am
    "She has JUST has much experience as Obama?"

    Well actually, she has more executive experience than he does.

    "Watch the entire Obama campaign. He clearly is ready to lead a country with a strong vp. (you obviously weren`t paying attention, or just being ignorant, during his speech."

    I had to write a report on his speech, my teacher is extremely liberal, and I still got an A. It didn`t impress me at all.

    "Palin has just been a senator in a nowhere town in Alaska. "
    She was a Governor, actual executive experience.

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    pizzabob18 Male 18-29
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    September 13, 2008 at 8:17 am
    6point02, most of what you said is understandable.

    Except there is no such thing as liberal media.

    Think about it. These news channels are owned by corperations, and Republicans support the large majority of them giving money to those higher ups in companies and. As a result, news channels tend to praise the right.

    Fox is so right winged that they trash any person who says anything left winged, and treat them like 3rd class citizens. (just watch the documentary "outfoxed"

    Even MSNBC (owned my microsoft) is right winged, only featuring Keith Oberman and Rachel Maddow on there (both liberals), because it`s making money for their corporation.

    So calling news channels "liberal" is not only complettely wrong, it`s actually sad, because as long as republicans give money to corporations and corporations pay for these news stations, media will never be politically balanced.

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    primetimekin Male 18-29
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    September 13, 2008 at 8:19 am
    "Except there is no such thing as liberal media."

    Are you serious?

    Ok thats it, im leaving. I took you seriously up to that point.

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    pizzabob18 Male 18-29
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    September 13, 2008 at 8:21 am
    Sorry prime, the media is indeed strongly leaned towards the Right. It`s not laughable, It`s the truth, and it`s what our country needs badly.
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    pizzabob18 Male 18-29
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    September 13, 2008 at 8:23 am
    oh, and here`s a little more truth for those who think Palin`s more qualified, and has experience...
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    pizzabob18 Male 18-29
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    September 13, 2008 at 8:24 am

    John McCain is running against Barack Obama. As a 72 year old man who has fought four bouts of Melanoma, his task at hand, and his most important executive decision to make was to select a Vice President that would be ready for the job of running this country if needed. With his choice of Sarah Palin, he demonstrated that his motto is "Win First, Country be damned".

    To compare Sarah Palin`s experience of running a town of 8,000+ people into the ground, or governing Alaska, the 48th most populous state in the nation for not yet 2 years to Barack is improper, as she is to be compared to Joe Biden, since they are running for the same job.

    Alaska experienced an oil boom shortly after she was sworn in (just see when the price per a barrel of oil shot up), and to credit her is ludicrous. She may be a nice person who hunts and fishes, but this is a big election which will not be about small things such as who can shoot a gun the furthest.

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    pizzabob18 Male 18-29
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    September 13, 2008 at 8:24 am
    Maybe Americans can have it all, but I question the wisdom of the mother of 5 young children believing that she can give them what they truly need (especially since one as special needs) and work a job that, to be done well, is a round the clock proposition. Which rationally leads one back to the sanity of the person that believed that this was the setup for a good situation.

    In reference to Barack Obama`s qualification for becoming President, the first is that he contested in the primary elections, was thoroughly vetted, and won his party`s primary. In otherwords, he interviewed for the position, and got the job because he earned it. In America, the people get to decide who has enough experience, and it was determined that Barack Obama does.

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    pizzabob18 Male 18-29
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    September 13, 2008 at 8:24 am
    Twenty years ago, Obama was elected President of the Harvard Law Review, an office that required executive experience to get the job done. The Presidency of the Harvard Law Review is not simply a title, meaning, the President actually has work that he/she does. In addition, Obama has attended the best schools in this country, is highly educated, and holds a Law Degree. Barack turned down prestigious offers, and instead managed Project Vote in Chicago in 1993. That year, via his executive and organizing skills, Barack was seen as key in putting another Democratic Senator into the senate. That`s call results. 1.http://www.chicagomag.com/Chicago-Maga... ... /

    Barack Obama was also a State Senator for 8 years. Again, he was elected to that office, and his district`s constituents numbered in the hundreds of thousands. He drafted laws and passed legislation that effected the 12+ million who resided in the s

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    September 13, 2008 at 8:25 am
    Barack Obama has also been a law professor at the University of Chicago, and a civil rights attorney. Both jobs provided much experience and the requirement of a fluent working knowledge of our constitution and a thorough understanding of how government works.

    Barack Obama became a United State Senator 4 years ago, and represents the 5th most populous state in the Nation. He has passed major legislations, and has sat on major committees, both on domestic and foreign issues. He has worked closely with those associated as the top leaders in our government and he has passed important bipartisan bills that have affected 300+ million Americans.
    Further, Barack Obama started a presidential campaign from scratch, and in so doing, created the best ran political organization our history has ever witnessed, shattering records after records.

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    pizzabob18 Male 18-29
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    September 13, 2008 at 8:25 am
    For nearly two years, using vision, innovation, technology, intelligence, endurance, tactical genius, and a strong macro management style, Barack Obama has shown us all exactly what his executive skills are. He defeated a well oiled political national machine in the process, one that the Republicans have yet to defeat (not from lack of trying), doing so with all of the deck stacked against him, and the race card being played by the media at every turn. The unified convention that the Democrats pulled off, despite the constant 24/7 media hype promoting chaos, is a full demonstration of Barack Obama`s leadership abilities as well as his executive acumen and skills at being a unifyer.

    Also, Barack Obama is the author of 2 best selling books, which has earned him millions and he writes his own speeches, one which electrified the nation 4 years ago. His most recent speech was seen by over 40 million households, beating the viewership of the opening Olympic Ceremony or American Idol.

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    September 13, 2008 at 8:25 am
    Further, his convention speech was done in front of 85,000 citizens; the largest live audience in the history of American politics.

    Beyond that, Barack Obama was endorsed by the largest array of newspapers editorial boards, national politicians, political interest groups, than any other primary candidate to ever run. In other words, he comes to us highly recommended.

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    pizzabob18 Male 18-29
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    September 13, 2008 at 8:26 am
    To conclude, Barack Obama is a natural statesmen and leader with the type of executive experience that counts; see above. The fact that he was able to gather 200,000 Germans while many were carrying American flags, to come to see him speak is a testament and a preview of his potential to rally our allies to our side. Obama will be in a strong position once elected in dealing with countries who may be of threat to us....because he is the person best suited to unify nations that will stand with us against such threats. Neither John McCain nor his Vice President even come close. period.
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    DrJack Male 13-17
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    September 13, 2008 at 8:28 am
    How about the 12 BILLION dollars the US spends every month on the war? Didn`t mention that in the economy lesson, did you? If McCain has his way, that 12 billion will easily triple! He want to stay in Iraq for 100 years!
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    primetimekin Male 18-29
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    September 13, 2008 at 8:32 am
    "In reference to Barack Obama`s qualification for becoming President, the first is that he contested in the primary elections, was thoroughly vetted, and won his party`s primary."

    Winning a primary does not mean you`re qualified. It just shows he cares more about the election than he does Illinois (spent half of his time campaigning)

    " and the race card being played by the media at every turn."

    Right... the media said "Typical Whites" right?

    "Also, Barack Obama is the author of 2 best selling books, which has earned him millions and he writes his own speeches, one which electrified the nation 4 years ago. His most recent speech was seen by over 40 million households, beating the viewership of the opening Olympic Ceremony or American Idol."

    Ok, he`s good at speeches. Thats a dime a dozen. What about after the lights go off?

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    primetimekin Male 18-29
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    September 13, 2008 at 8:32 am
    He has written 2 best selling books. So in addition to being a freshman senator and campaigning half the time, he also writes books. What time does he have to lead?
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    primetimekin Male 18-29
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    September 13, 2008 at 8:34 am
    "How about the 12 BILLION dollars the US spends every month on the war? Didn`t mention that in the economy lesson, did you? If McCain has his way, that 12 billion will easily triple! He want to stay in Iraq for 100 years!"

    If you want to word it that way, we have also stayed in Germany for over 60 years.

    He supports a 5 year withdrawal but never a complete withdrawal... like we still have in Germany.


    And Debt is really over stated.
    1. ITs public debt thats important
    2. Look up Ricardian economics.

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    primetimekin Male 18-29
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    September 13, 2008 at 8:34 am
    "Beyond that, Barack Obama was endorsed by the largest array of newspapers editorial boards, national politicians, political interest groups, than any other primary candidate to ever run. In other words, he comes to us highly recommended."


    Right... there`s no liberal media...

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    pizzabob18 Male 18-29
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    September 13, 2008 at 8:37 am
    Prime, everything you said in those last fiew posts is incorrect, and some is even nonsensical. What you`ve said is just grade school propaganda, and none of it was facts, or correct.

    I`m heading out for now. Any more talking I do on here will just be the same: Contradicting more foolish conservative views, and I will be saying the same things about how that`s not true, or it`s made up.

    Reread the last two big articles I posted. That`s all I can tell you.

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    The_Maddog Male 30-39
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    September 13, 2008 at 8:39 am
    Prime! Stop posting now please! Sorry, but I can only take so much verbal diarrhea for one day!

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    kittyloaf Male 18-29
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    September 13, 2008 at 9:06 am
    Well i-am-bored is a type of media, and weve been getting prime`s OBAMA SUCKS links for a few weeks now...
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    starrstreet Female 18-29
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    September 13, 2008 at 9:11 am
    Ugh Prime, people like you scare me because it means McCain could win the election. I`m so done with this country if they do.

    Anyone from Canada can tell me about immigration to your country? I`d rather go to the Netherlands but I hear its very hard to get citizenship there.

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    idontknow951 Male 18-29
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    September 13, 2008 at 9:16 am
    "Anyone from Canada can tell me about immigration to your country? I`d rather go to the Netherlands but I hear its very hard to get citizenship there. "

    Yeah, just walk/drive up here, find a immigration office, get a photo, ask them about citizenship, end of story.

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    starrstreet Female 18-29
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    September 13, 2008 at 9:17 am
    The "liberal" media does PLENTY to hurt Obama, watch it for a full 24/7, they`re not constantly singing his praises.

    Its not liberal, its just whatever gets them more ratings they will put on the air. Talking about his pig comments and that kindergarten sex ad hurts him but they want to talk about it for ratings!! Ratings, ratings, ratings!

    That`s all its about!

    NYT posting facts about Palin`s earmarks and scandal isn`t the left wing media striking at her. Quit complaining about it.

    Yes, they have editorial pieces where they give their opinion. These are very educated people that have seen all sides of an issue and then give their opinion, what is wrong with that?

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    starrstreet Female 18-29
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    September 13, 2008 at 9:17 am
    Oh really? It is that simple? Ha, I love it. I might have to change my location to Canada if this country keeps going down the tubes like this.
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    enzo213 Male 18-29
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    September 13, 2008 at 9:19 am
    Bullpoo video.
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    idontknow951 Male 18-29
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    September 13, 2008 at 9:24 am
    "Oh really? It is that simple? Ha, I love it. I might have to change my location to Canada if this country keeps going down the tubes like this. "

    Yep. Its that simple.

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    Anish Male 13-17
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    September 13, 2008 at 9:37 am
    Canada welcomes all people, we need your tax money to pay for our elderly!
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    starrstreet Female 18-29
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    September 13, 2008 at 9:40 am
    Hooray!
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    kmitch717 Male 13-17
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    September 13, 2008 at 10:18 am
    All of these videos start off well and normal, just some guy making arguements against Obama. They`re good points and they`re explained well. And then the end is so cheesy and feels like a terrible ad that the whole video lost all of it`s merit to me. "I`M Voting For Freedom!"--oh shut up
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    mrtatulas Male 18-29
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    September 13, 2008 at 10:28 am
    slayjordan, we can mince words and numbers all day. I was in a hurry and miscalculated... sue me! The main point of what I was saying remains the same.
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    starrstreet Female 18-29
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    September 13, 2008 at 10:45 am
    You heard how at the end he says McCain - (in a different voice) Palin, 2008, lol just sounded funny.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    September 13, 2008 at 10:58 am
    apparently the 1000 character limit means nothing to pizzabob.
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    chris1337 Male 13-17
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    September 13, 2008 at 10:58 am
    This, is why I think democrats are stupid. Now im leaving before I get flamed to death :)
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    September 13, 2008 at 11:17 am
    Newspaper and Media employees were polled recently 80% supported Obama before Hillary quit running.

    The press is dominated by liberals, That is fact.
    When asked why they went into journalism, Nearly all said, "To change the world" (In one way or another).

    They are trying to make perception into reality. When they control the perception part, It`s not hard to sway public opinion. People are being spoon fed what to believe by what they see in their news, celebrities, and popular music.

    Quit being led by the nose people. Wake up and do some research for yourself. Actually take the time to look at the other side of story.

    Oh wait, I forgot, That might take some work, That might mean :gasp: that your peers, idols and ethos are wrong.

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    starrstreet Female 18-29
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    September 13, 2008 at 11:43 am
    GIVE ME A F*CKING BREAK. I listen to Patriot station on Sirius all the F*CKING time and Fox News Talk. I read independent studies on how the tax breaks will be broken down. I see what both are proposing and Obama is just who I most agree with and there are things I don`t agree with.

    Give me a f*cking break, hiding behind that whole "oh you don`t think for youself because of the liberal media" is just TIRED AND OLD.

    That is why Fox is out there because people flock to what they want to hear.

    My biggest problem is people criticizing shows on MSNBC like Olberman or Maddow as being biased, WELL ITS A F*CKING OPINION SHOW at least they don`t go around saying "THIS IS THE NO SPIN ZONE" God DAMMIT. Admit to when you are giving your personal opinion that can be swayed by your own experience and perspective.

    Everything has a bias there is nothing free of it. Get OVER IT.

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    starrstreet Female 18-29
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    September 13, 2008 at 11:49 am
    Show`s on Fox go around with the whole Fair and Balanced and that they aren`t biased in their understandings and takes on everything makes me sick. They are JUST as biased as every other news station out there so don`t try really hard to pretend they are not.

    Yes, they`re all biased in a way, its true, THEY ARE NOT ROBOTS. Why can`t celebrities and people in popular music have an opinion and voice it, are they not part of this country too?

    Ugh watch FSTV channel 9415 on Dish if you have it, there`s real news for you. That is how I`ve formed my opinions.

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    starrstreet Female 18-29
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    September 13, 2008 at 11:52 am
    People who blame the liberal media would NEVER claim Fox being biased as well. Hmmm wonder why, OH, its because they share their views.

    Understand that they are doing the same thing they are criticizing others for.

    FSTV, seriously, get it somehow.

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    PreoSmo Female 18-29
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    September 13, 2008 at 11:52 am
    Pizza, you keep saying that all the references primetime has are propaganda. Yet you reference Obama`s speeches. Which are also propaganda. Pizza, have you GONE to Obama`s site and downloaded is `plan for America`? It`s terrifying.

    Someone asked me if, by saying that the media is liberally run, do I mean that people are naturally born conservative until the media steps in? No, I didn`t even imply that. What I mean is some people are brought up conservative and some liberal. But the average American doesn`t read into things anymore. Pizza, I invite you go go and start reading arguments against Obama. Go and raed essays against him and keep an open mind. Do in-depth research before you come out spewing what you are. Reading all pro-Obama things isn`t research because you are only getting one side.

    And FOxnews is supposed to be conservative but it`s been blurring the line lately.

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    primetimekin Male 18-29
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    September 13, 2008 at 12:05 pm
    "They are JUST as biased as every other news station out there so don`t try really hard to pretend they are not."

    thats what I say, but everyone makes Fox to be worse than the rest.

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    starrstreet Female 18-29
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    September 13, 2008 at 12:30 pm
    I try not to get my information from 24 News Stations, they`re all HORRIBLE. Horrible, horrible, horrible. I go to them for laughs maybe and reassurance in some of my opinions but I don`t go there to get facts and even news coverage, that`s just silly.

    I have done my research and read both sides of the arguments and came up with a different opinion, thanks. I respect that you came up with something different so don`t go around calling people idiots because you don`t know how they have formed their opinion.

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    slayjordan Male 18-29
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    September 13, 2008 at 1:00 pm
    Sigh.

    mrtatulas

    "The main point of what I was saying remains the same."

    That`s impossible. You can`t use false statistics to prove a point. That`s just absurd.

    Thats like me saying the sky is orange because hyrdrogen is red and oxygen is yellow, and when they mix it makes the sky turn orange, but only on non church days, because on church days it turns green out of envy for those who actually understand what the bible means.

    In other words, once you tell a false statistic, the rest of your post is discredited and means nothing.

    And really..."I was in a hurry." If you`re talking about the future of the United States, it`s best not get in a hurry, unless you have to go jump and down to make the sky turn pink or something.

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    soleado10er Male 18-29
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    September 13, 2008 at 4:04 pm
    He`s got no head!
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    Vanwa Female 13-17
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    September 13, 2008 at 4:49 pm
    You are also voting for abortion. Great job. >_>
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    bliznik Male 30-39
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    September 13, 2008 at 5:59 pm
    This video grossly oversimplifies economics and distorts reality by solely attacking Obama without actually comparing his plan to McCain`s. Obama`s plan may have some consequences, but McCain`s negative consequences completely dwarf Obama`s.

    (1) Despite Obama`s inclination towards more government spending, McCain`s policy will increase the deficit more.
    (2) This video seems to attribute the "trickle-down theory" to taxing people who make over $250,000. And we all know that the "trickle down theory" only works on paper, and not in reality.
    (3) For all of you who are for a "smaller government," look at McCain`s voting policy for Bush`s bloated government spending. His voting policy has bloated wasteful government spending quite a bit.
    (4) Small government is great if somebody else takes responsibility (i.e. healthcare, alternative energy, housing). But when there is a responsibility VOID, the government needs to take over. Take, for example,

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    bliznik Male 30-39
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    September 13, 2008 at 6:02 pm
    Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac. Making government smaller doesn`t SOLVE problems, it AVOIDS problems by creating a void and hoping hoping hoping that the problems get solved by somebody who is not the government. If McCain shrinks government, he needs to have some policies in place that encourage more responsible parties to take over the responsibility void. And so far, he doesn`t.
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    sixclaws13 Male 18-29
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    September 13, 2008 at 6:23 pm
    "No society has ever taxed itself into prosperity."

    A-drating-men.

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    obello Male 18-29
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    September 13, 2008 at 7:20 pm
    bliznik: please provide specific support on your four previous points, as to persuade an independent.
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    obello Male 18-29
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    September 13, 2008 at 7:35 pm
    I just read what pizza kept saying (not verbatim) about how america needs a strong leader, how obama`s speeches show his expirence, and then I read about Karl Marx. As you know, he wrote the Communist Manifesto and stated how the divide between the rich and the poor should not be there. Obama said in Germany how he is going to eliminate the barrier between the rich and the poor. Coincidence? (Propaganda FTW!)
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    bliznik Male 30-39
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    September 13, 2008 at 10:39 pm
    Obello, the following information is quite dense, but if you really want it, here we go:

    (1) Check the Tax Policy Center stats.
    (2) Here is a incredibly detailed review of the Trickle Down Theory, with examples of how distribution of wealth affect different groups of people.
    (3) Here is McCain`s complete voting record. Concentrate particularly on Appropriations, and Budget, Spending, and Taxes.
    (4) This is just a common sense argument. There`s no hard stats for this one. I could cite you lots of papers on this subject, but they`re more arguments than anything else. Personally, I believe in small government for e

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    fedabog Male 18-29
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    September 13, 2008 at 10:45 pm
    PreoSmo: Orwell was a socialist. He was against Communism.

    And yes...They are very much Different.

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    britt566 Female 18-29
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    September 13, 2008 at 10:52 pm
    Who is everybody for? First I see people sooo for Obama. Then you see palin and its a different story kind of. Jesus
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    DuckBoy87 Male 18-29
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    September 13, 2008 at 11:22 pm
    Socialism and Communism works... (here comes the zinger) ... (a little longer) ... on paper!

    Economics is a very tricky business, no pun intended.

    <--- Voting for McCain, before and after Palin... not that it matters, the darn electoral college is the real decider.

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    personaomega Female 18-29
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    September 13, 2008 at 11:27 pm
    Take a look at history? Uhm... Do you realize that republicans in high ranking positions haven`t /reduced/ government in a long time? All they`ve done is offered tax breaks to the highest in the totem pole in the hopes of trickledown. Also, they`ve become so religiously inclined that it`s painful to watch. I`d be a republican, if they stood for reduction of government, but in reality, they`re just corrupt religious extremists.
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    Vagrant86 Male 18-29
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    September 14, 2008 at 3:23 am
    you`re white, you cant criticize Obama how dare you.

    <_<

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    Goublecoque Male 18-29
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    September 14, 2008 at 1:34 pm
    Personally, i wouldn`t vote for McCain and Palin, just for their policies on teaching creationism in schools, i think its wrong to corrupt children like that.

    This video left out the Iraq war aswell, and didnt really make many factual points, just seemed like Obama bashing really.

    Then again, im not american so what do i know eh.

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    Maelstrom_x Male 18-29
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    September 14, 2008 at 10:33 pm
    Obama is way too Socialist for my taste. As DuckBoy87 put it, Socialism is great on paper, but it sucks when you apply it in the real world.

    That being said, I`m not voting for McCain. I was hoping for Romney, someone who would have been much stronger with the economy. I have many problems with McCain on varying issues, and I felt that his choice for VP was extremely poor.

    To me, you don`t vote for a pile of crap just because it stinks less than the other pile of crap. I only vote for someone who I feel is capable of running the country. This year I`m just going to vote for state/local elections.

    Here`s hoping to having better candidates to choose from in 2012.

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    obhwfgirl Female 18-29
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    September 16, 2008 at 2:31 pm
    1) Indpendent studies have confirmed that most big media is pretty neutral, but has a corporate bias.

    2) I seriously dislike Bush, but the economy is not his fault. It`s dumb people who took out loans they couldn`t afford.

    3) Tax breaks are great, but McCain tax breaks suck. $300 for lower class, $1000 for middle class, and $2600 for upper-middle class and a $270000 for the upper class. On the other hand, Obama`s sucks too. $1000 for the lower class, $1300 for middle class, and upper-middle class $2200, but upper class will be taxed an additional 700000 a year. WTF??? My poor college status says that I want a bigger tax break under Obama, but the economy is such crap right now that foreign investors are coming in and buying up American stocks and property. By taking away the money from the upper class, we`re reducing the chance of them also investing in American businesses. These are also the same people that own the companies that employ Americans.

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    obhwfgirl Female 18-29
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    September 16, 2008 at 2:37 pm
    Also! Reganomics worked for a lot of people, but it was a swiss cheese type thing -- a lot of smaller groups were screwed over. The trickle down effect doesn`t work either -- in the 80s, rich people used their tax breaks and invested in foreign markets. I would really love a tax plan that maybe didn`t give the upper class such big breaks, but also gave the lower class a bigger one. Everyone knows that those tax breaks help people in the lower class afford the necessities, not the luxuries.

    If someone could develop a capitalistic tax plan that benefited the economy as well as every socioeconomic level, they deserve a freaking peace prize or something.

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    najamesk1 Male 18-29
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    September 21, 2008 at 1:23 am
    Its amazing how the republicans have brain washed Americans today. the guy in the video explains how `historical history` yada yada yada, or something like that.

    well. history would tell me, that Democrat after Democrat have lead the nations econmoy to storm. Clinton was so close to a surplus during his tenure, if he could have served another term, the surplus would have been there, and the debt paied off by now.

    and time and time again, has a democrate been the only party to properly manage the economy. i want this video post to look at american history again, starting with great depression, and tell me, how did the story end?


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    sixclaws13 Male 18-29
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    October 21, 2008 at 4:35 pm
    Why won`t people listen to people like this?

    Ron Paul `08

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