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Date: 09/17/08 07:08 PM

99 Responses to Dallas Mavericks` Josh Howard Hates America

  1. Profile photo of fancylad
    fancylad Male 30-39
    18931 posts
    September 17, 2008 at 4:16 pm
    Link: Dallas Mavericks` Josh Howard Hates America - About the American National Anthem: `I don`t celebrate this . I`m black.` NSFWish.
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    hehehenerd Male 13-17
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    September 17, 2008 at 5:10 pm
    O god....here it goes...flame war in 5...4...3...2...1
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    LemonTarte Female 18-29
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    September 17, 2008 at 5:12 pm
    Honestly, I could barely even understand what he was saying.
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    MeMcMo Female 18-29
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    September 17, 2008 at 5:14 pm
    Oh, I forgot. America is only for white people. How silly of me to forget. Yowza.
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    BBallKicks Male 13-17
    62 posts
    September 17, 2008 at 5:14 pm
    he dont celebrate all that sh*t? wow... also black people jus love that word n*gga dont they, damn they say it alot
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    xiquiripat Male 18-29
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    September 17, 2008 at 5:14 pm
    Can someone translate what they hell he`s gibbering about?
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    Isobar Male 18-29
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    September 17, 2008 at 5:15 pm
    so because someone hates a song they hate a country? Well sign me up for hating half the damn world.
  8. Profile photo of fancylad
    fancylad Male 30-39
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    September 17, 2008 at 5:15 pm
    This is the story on ESPN.
  9. Profile photo of Trema
    Trema Male 18-29
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    September 17, 2008 at 5:15 pm
    i dont really wanna watch it. But whats wrong with hating america, im white and i hate america (albeit people forget my freedom of expression and hurt me even though i do nothing wrong)
    if its what i think it is though, then yes, flame war in 5...4...3..2..1.
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    opiebreath Female 18-29
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    September 17, 2008 at 5:16 pm
    The way the guy on the left tipped his head and pursed his lips was TOO FREAKING HILARIOUS!

    xD

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    CZX11 Male 13-17
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    September 17, 2008 at 5:17 pm
    wow just wow
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    basketkase Male 18-29
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    September 17, 2008 at 5:17 pm
    really long...
  13. Profile photo of fancylad
    fancylad Male 30-39
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    September 17, 2008 at 5:21 pm
    Trema, no one said there`s anything wrong with it. One just looks really ignorant when they say things similar to what josh Howard said here.

    I just don`t understand why Americans who hate America continue to live in America. There are billions of other places to live.

    I guess I`m just tired of people from the States talking a big game when it comes to hating America and then doing absolutely nothing about it.

    Put up or shut up.

  14. Profile photo of Trema
    Trema Male 18-29
    511 posts
    September 17, 2008 at 5:23 pm
    well fancy im not 18, i have no legal rights yet
    regardless, your right.
  15. Profile photo of opiebreath
    opiebreath Female 18-29
    15774 posts
    September 17, 2008 at 5:24 pm
    Fancy, being under 18, a lot of the people I hear complaining about the country can`t physically move.

    The rest I hear want to stay because they`re doing their part to try and make it how they want their country to be.

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    Trema Male 18-29
    511 posts
    September 17, 2008 at 5:26 pm
    well america would be a hell of a lot better if i could get a job at a cool office for a website/game dev (Iab, activision, namco, youtube,(not google)) after college
    but thats only cuz i would be away from where i am now (plus only bits of the country are bad)
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    splurbyburbl Male 30-39
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    September 17, 2008 at 5:31 pm
    Someone deport this anti-american piece of crap along with Trema.

    It`s real simple Trema. You can excersize your freedom to "express" whatever you wish, but there are consequences whether good or bad. If you were in a Catholic School and wrote a pro-abortion paper and they gave you a big fat ZERO for all the work you did, then you cannot complain. (I know someone that happened to) Because you are subscribing to the world and general belief structure in which they live. You, by being in America and therefore enjoying the freedoms and luxuries (the least of which you obviously have is the internet) can also express your freedom to GTFO of this country if you don`t like the way you get treated for going against the grain of what most Americans stand for. I can express my freedom by spitting on the ground near your feet, drawing a line in the sand and calling you out. Flame over.

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    splurbyburbl Male 30-39
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    September 17, 2008 at 5:34 pm
    Oh my bad Trema... you can wait till you`re 18 then GTFO. I`ll be waiting.
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    Rat5Rule Female 13-17
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    September 17, 2008 at 5:37 pm
    O_o Christ. Glad you got him and not us. I`d go into one and pretend to be all street and hip, like PrimeTimeKin(g) is, but what`s the point? That dude has no respect, no love for his country, and only wants to be popular with guys like himself. I suggest a republic. The republic of that guy and his twattish mates. Then, when one of them realizes how stupid it is to be that way, he can overthrow the republic, and it`ll become The Former Republic Of That Guy And His Twattish Mates.
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    opiebreath Female 18-29
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    September 17, 2008 at 5:44 pm
    Splurby, don`t forget that people always can change what they live in. If we all accepted everything thrown at us, nothing would ever get accomplished.

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    The_Maddog Male 30-39
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    September 17, 2008 at 5:45 pm
    fancylad:
    I just don`t understand why Americans who hate America continue to live in America. There are billions of other places to live.
    ----------------------------------------------------
    Sorry man..but I have to say that comment, in general, is a pet peeve of mine. It`s a silly statement. Here is why!

    1)Family and Friends! Thats a lot to leave behind for some people. Your country IS more than "just the place where you live".

    2) Immigration. Most countries dont just hold the door open for you!

    3) Money. Many people simply dont have the cash!

    You say put up or shut up..It dosnt work that way! If people dont stand up when they feel something is wrong then whats the point? Keep putting up with stuff but remain voiceless. See what happens! History us full of examples of of what happens when people dont speak out!

    I really dont care what people think of this guy in the vid...I just belive that if you have a voice and a vote, do some good with it!

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    primetimekin Male 18-29
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    September 17, 2008 at 5:47 pm
    Wow, I would`ve thought it was Iverson to get in trouble, then again, we all know Howard is an idiot.

    Note to Howard: Cameras are not any celebrities friend. I feel sorry Mark Cuban has to put up with his sorry, throw a birthday party after a play-off loss ass.


    With that said, Its been a long time since I heard a good ol` fashion "Nigga". I have to say I did enjoy that part. its annoying cause in school, If I talk like that, no one understands me. So I try to speak normally, and then they complain I use too many big words... Make up your damn mind... nigga!

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    The_Maddog Male 30-39
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    September 17, 2008 at 5:49 pm
    splurbyburbl
    You fail. You totally fail. Freedom of speech allows him to say whatever he wants, yet you instantly call for him to be deported! So you are prepared to give up Freedom of speech then?
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    coconutnut Male 18-29
    387 posts
    September 17, 2008 at 5:50 pm
    I DON`T KNOW WHAT WE`RE YELLING ABOUT!

    srsly couldn`t understand what was going on, the chicks were hot tho.

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    primetimekin Male 18-29
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    September 17, 2008 at 5:51 pm
    I have a question. Do you people want me to translate or something?
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    tobyvictory Male 70 & Over
    406 posts
    September 17, 2008 at 5:51 pm
    I`m American, but I`m not `pro` American. When I see stuff like this, it makes me `PRO` abortion.
  27. Profile photo of coconutnut
    coconutnut Male 18-29
    387 posts
    September 17, 2008 at 5:53 pm
    Do you people want me to translate or something?

    what do you mean you people?

  28. Profile photo of primetimekin
    primetimekin Male 18-29
    7935 posts
    September 17, 2008 at 5:55 pm
    "what do you mean you people?"

    non-ebonic speakers

  29. Profile photo of hehehenerd
    hehehenerd Male 13-17
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    September 17, 2008 at 5:58 pm
    So many good and bad points to debate on! O well, I won, because I called it all :D
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    elkingo Male 30-39
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    September 17, 2008 at 6:09 pm
    I couldn`t understand him.. so please translate for me. (or at least some of the main points.

    It is my view, that America is the best possible place to live. I do want to see for myself though, and visit England, Ireland, and some other places. Really though, if you hate America, leave, but I bet you he would come back, because I have studied a lot of places and many of them are horrible. Opie, you should check out some of the places out there. Like: the former Yugoslavia, Afganistan, Suadi Arabia, many places in rural Africa, Brazil, Cuba, Iran, Vietnam, Korea. I bet you would choose America over those places. Here you are free to religion, speech, the right to protest (which I hear you can`t do in England.. that talking about the royals lands you in jail.. not sure though, but I digress), well, and many other rights I am sure you know about.

  31. Profile photo of Trema
    Trema Male 18-29
    511 posts
    September 17, 2008 at 6:11 pm
    lol i have a mod on my side
    *unleashes mods on all of IAB* muahahahahahaha
    in all seriousness.
    you have the right to call me out, i have the right to say i hate america, but you dont have the right to deport/abuse me for it, thats just unamerican/assault (respectively)
    besides, are u suggesting im against freedoms? im not, im just against what our government is doing to this country, which is why if i could vote id choose obama, we need new ideas (and even if he is all empty promises, hes made so many SOME have to get done and make america better)
    god i wish i could speak this well, it would really help against my classmates, sadly i can only type well :(
    anyways, STFU splurby
  32. Profile photo of Trema
    Trema Male 18-29
    511 posts
    September 17, 2008 at 6:12 pm
    elkingo, All of western europe (ok not austria)
    japan, south korea...thats a LOT of countries that are better than the US (albeit norway/bulgaria etc might not, but thats cuz i barely know **** about them)
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    DuckBoy87 Male 18-29
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    September 17, 2008 at 6:15 pm
    1. Translation please?
    2. That singer sucked... stop acting like a singer, and act like a musician. It didn`t help she changed keys several times...
  34. Profile photo of The_Maddog
    The_Maddog Male 30-39
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    September 17, 2008 at 6:15 pm
    Acctually Trema I`m not on your side persay.
    I just dont think you can say "I support freedom of speech" in one sentance, then "get out if u dont like it" in the next!

    Makes no sense!

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    Trema Male 18-29
    511 posts
    September 17, 2008 at 6:17 pm
    i know i was joking maddog, didnt u see the evil laugh, and the in all seriousness part?
    i dont get that either, sure u have the freedom to say it, but it makes u a ****ing hypocrite
  36. Profile photo of The_Maddog
    The_Maddog Male 30-39
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    September 17, 2008 at 6:18 pm
    I have no sense of humour Trema.

    I`m British!

  37. Profile photo of Trema
    Trema Male 18-29
    511 posts
    September 17, 2008 at 6:21 pm
    lol maddog
    i know some pretty funny british people........
    ok nvm.........
    i know some kickass german people though, im friends with 3 of em :-D
  38. Profile photo of opiebreath
    opiebreath Female 18-29
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    September 17, 2008 at 6:21 pm
    But Kingo, it`s not just about choosing the least sh*tty.

    We made our civilization, didn`t we? So if something is unsettling, even if it`s not the worst problem in the world, does it not deserve to be heard about?

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    Trema Male 18-29
    511 posts
    September 17, 2008 at 6:22 pm
    oh noes, german facebook (schuelervz) is in maitnence, how will i ever give my incredibly delayed response?!
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    primetimekin Male 18-29
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    September 17, 2008 at 6:22 pm
    Translation,

    Hello, im with my friend, he plays for AND1 streetball.

    We are going to dominate the other team, nigga.

    You see we are out here, ready to play

    *national anthem starts*

    *pretends to sing*
    Its me from SC here to represent. I`d like to say hello to my friend Low.

    "I dont celebrate this poo. Im black"

    You know that we are going to win, we are the best its guaranteed.
    Just look at him, you can tell he gets money, just look at the earrings. Its serious here.


    WOOO I love my country.

  41. Profile photo of Trema
    Trema Male 18-29
    511 posts
    September 17, 2008 at 6:26 pm
    lol i like how we have PTK translating...
    between freakin races
    not nations
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    freddyferret Male 40-49
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    September 17, 2008 at 6:29 pm
    What a dick. If you don`t want to sing it, don`t sing it. But don`t be such a moron, especially on video.
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    September 17, 2008 at 6:37 pm
    Criminy, there`s a full-on mod-gasm taking place right here, it`s all orange! I`ll weigh in in the side of: Trema! no, Prime!, no wait, Nerd! Actually I have no idea what the f*ck`s going on, so I`ll just shut up now.

    *smells flames, thinks better of the idea, retreats to corner*

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    opiebreath Female 18-29
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    September 17, 2008 at 6:39 pm
    FINE DAVY, DON`T CHOOSE MY SIDE!

    D<

    ....Do I even have a side in this? My opinions are never strong enough.

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    splurbyburbl Male 30-39
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    September 17, 2008 at 6:39 pm
    "Acctually Trema I`m not on your side persay.
    I just dont think you can say "I support freedom of speech" in one sentance, then "get out if u dont like it" in the next!
    Makes no sense!"


    I probably do fail at lots of things, but hear this. I have just as much right to want people in the Country I serve to get the hell out and as far away from me as possible for trashing my Country as much as I ould kick someone out of my house for kicking my dog. They have a right to stay and I will and have respectde that... but I don`t have to like it, nor do I have to be quiet about. That`s all.

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    Neagle Male 30-39
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    September 17, 2008 at 6:41 pm
    Wake Forest must be proud to have graduated such a star student from their respected institution of higher learning. Whats that? He can play ball? Can he do anything else? No.
  47. Profile photo of Trema
    Trema Male 18-29
    511 posts
    September 17, 2008 at 6:45 pm
    who said we were trashing america
    hating=/=trashing, its made worse by ignorant bigots thinking its America or communism (i actually outsmarted one who said "you hate america, herego, your a communist" and i was just like "so your suggesting all of europe is communist?" and he shut up)
    anyways your point is null and void because your assuming im speaking out and trashing america, when im just giving an opinion, saying it can get way effing better, but we are ****ing it up, herego, i hate it because we are ****ing it up
  48. Profile photo of Trema
    Trema Male 18-29
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    September 17, 2008 at 6:48 pm
    oh splurb i wasnt referring to you with the ignorant bigot comment
  49. Profile photo of hehehenerd
    hehehenerd Male 13-17
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    September 17, 2008 at 6:51 pm
    Ha davy, the great thing is I had no point! So if your on my side! Your always right cause there is nothing to be wrong about! MUHAHAHAHA
  50. Profile photo of Trema
    Trema Male 18-29
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    September 17, 2008 at 6:52 pm
    WITCHCRAFT
    *burns hehehenerd at the stake*
    lol
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    hehehenerd Male 13-17
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    September 17, 2008 at 6:56 pm
    WITCHCRAFT
    *burns hehehenerd at the stake*
    lol

    -_- The stake of awesomeness trema, the stake....of awesomeness

  52. Profile photo of Trema
    Trema Male 18-29
    511 posts
    September 17, 2008 at 6:57 pm
    ..........theres no stake of awesomeness
    someone stabbed a vampire with it
    now its just a normal stake
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    NYnewburgh Male 18-29
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    September 17, 2008 at 6:58 pm
    apparently i already know...
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    11Volcom11 Male 18-29
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    September 17, 2008 at 7:00 pm
    wow crazy debate goin on here by the look of it. i did read part of it, and whoever is saying that the american goverment needs to make a change, then im on there side lol

    cause u guys are f*ckin canada and the world up right now... you guys really should have voted for al gore...

  55. Profile photo of 11Volcom11
    11Volcom11 Male 18-29
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    September 17, 2008 at 7:01 pm
    and also. why was this even posted on IAB? i didnt understand why it was entertaining...was just a small pep rally or whatever before their football game....
  56. Profile photo of primetimekin
    primetimekin Male 18-29
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    September 17, 2008 at 7:04 pm
    "and also. why was this even posted on IAB? i didnt understand why it was entertaining...was just a small pep rally or whatever before their football game...."

    Its Allen Iversons pro-football annual thingy... not a small thing

  57. Profile photo of Trema
    Trema Male 18-29
    511 posts
    September 17, 2008 at 7:06 pm
    cool, volcom is on my side!
  58. Profile photo of Trema
    Trema Male 18-29
    511 posts
    September 17, 2008 at 7:09 pm
    ya think?
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    thedobkins Male 30-39
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    September 17, 2008 at 7:34 pm
    No respect. I was a Navy Ceremonial Honor Guard while I served in DC, and I buried many men and women who DIED for this country. Seeing people act this way infuriates me. Weren`t they BORN in the US? Aren`t they as successful as they are BECAUSE of the US? Because of the people who die for their asses?

    Pricks.

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    DuckBoy87 Male 18-29
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    September 17, 2008 at 7:45 pm
    Thank you for the translation Prime, much appreciated!
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    insanmonster Male 18-29
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    September 17, 2008 at 7:57 pm
    3..2..1..Go
    Ok so
    1) America is the greatest country in the world...HANDS DOWN...our military...SUPREME...people in America live better than in any other country in the world...We have the CHEAPEST gas prices out of any country that doesn`t own the oil...and who wants to live in the Middle East right now?...NO ONE...So if he has a problem with the way this country is run, instead of making some ignorant @$$ comments about how he doesn`t like America on his camera phone DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT...that is why this country is great...anyone could make a difference if you are intelligent and motivated enough to make things happen.
    2) Just because you do not agree with the idea of the National Anthem does not mean that you have to disrespect it...by disrespecting the national anthem, he disrespected all of the brave men and women who stood up for our country to give him the right to say what he says, but he completely disrespects them by disrespecting our country..................
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    insanmonster Male 18-29
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    September 17, 2008 at 8:00 pm
    3) Just because he is black doesn`t mean that he can`t celebrate our fine country...if Black people weren`t able to do anything in our country than how are we possibly (but regretfully) going to get a black president (not because of his skin color).
    4) I must also Thank thedobkins for serving our country...it is because of you and our troops that we have a country as great as ours...Many Thanks and Appreciation
    5) John McCain/ Sarah Palin 2008!!!
  63. Profile photo of unreedemed
    unreedemed Male 13-17
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    September 17, 2008 at 8:14 pm
    lol, wut.
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    Sporknife Male 13-17
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    September 17, 2008 at 8:28 pm
    lol, wut
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    Painter13 Male 40-49
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    September 17, 2008 at 8:33 pm
    Jesus Christ, a retard acts like a retard and evereyone uses this to get racist, "possibly a black president,regretfully". Wow...sorry I usually don`t call people on this..but what makes this country great is that non-nice individuals can have an opinion and I am strong enough in mine not to act like them. Unlike every person taking this idiots actions and painting all blacks with a racist brush.
  66. Profile photo of The_Maddog
    The_Maddog Male 30-39
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    September 17, 2008 at 8:34 pm
    splurbyburbl
    Male, 18-29, Southern US
    295 Posts
    Wednesday, September 17, 2008 6:39:46 PM
    I probably do fail at lots of things, but hear this. I have just as much right to want people in the Country I serve to get the hell out and as far away from me as possible for trashing my Country as much as I ould kick someone out of my house for kicking my dog. They have a right to stay and I will and have respectde that... but I don`t have to like it, nor do I have to be quiet about.
    --------------------------------------------------
    Again...fail!
    Your comparing your house to your country! In your house, it`s your rules! In your country it`s not.You dont have to let anyone into your house who wont abide by your rules. Your country however is shared with people of all diffrening opinions and there own set of personal rules..and each and everyone has a right to say they agree or dont agree on how the big picture works!
    No one says you have to agree..>&
  67. Profile photo of The_Maddog
    The_Maddog Male 30-39
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    September 17, 2008 at 8:37 pm
    >> but shouting "get out" when your talking about a country..somewhere he was born (i assume)..whole diffrent case.
    however..if he wasnt..then yeah. Dont move somewhere then bitch about it.
    Seriously though..your arguments are flawed!
  68. Profile photo of hehehenerd
    hehehenerd Male 13-17
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    September 17, 2008 at 8:40 pm
    How does this have only 1000 hits, but 70 comments?!
  69. Profile photo of RdDan
    RdDan Male 30-39
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    September 17, 2008 at 8:41 pm
    I`m sorry,
    "America is the greatest country in the world...HANDS DOWN"
    Did i miss the vote? Who decided that then? Is there really a greatest country?
    As for quality of life, you should really read more. You`ve mistook the U.S.A. for Ireland or Switzerland or Norway or Luxembourg or France or Andorra.
    As for the clip, would it kill him to STFU for a few minutes.
    I`m an athiest but if i happen to be in a church for a wedding or christening i don`t have a benny when it comes to prayer time, i stay quiet and respect the rights of others.
    Just because he doesn`t believe in a national anthem, doesn`t mean he should act like a tool.
    A Scottish mate of mine won an international cycling race in Manchester and he stood proud when they played God Save the Queen, even though the second verse is all to do with crushing the Jacobites
  70. Profile photo of The_Maddog
    The_Maddog Male 30-39
    3369 posts
    September 17, 2008 at 8:42 pm
    Everyone is terrified of the impending flamenukes nerd!

    I`m sure I`m going to be compared to nazi`s and/or hitler soon.

    If I`m not..I`m doing something wrong!!!

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    The_Maddog Male 30-39
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    September 17, 2008 at 8:47 pm
    Valid point RdDan.
    Well...for the church bit anyway. If i was invited for a wedding or christening then yeah..I STFU because I was invited (I didnt have to go).
    As for the "God save the queen" bit..pffft! I wouldnt stand for it..but I wouldnt put myself in a position to have to stand for it either...though I was asked to represent my old workplace and meet Charles about 4 years ago. I refused, it was respected!

    Not everything in life is a must! But as I`ve allready said..I couldnt give a monkey about the guy in the video..his right to say whatever he wants as far as I`m concerned. I can just ignore him!

  72. Profile photo of RdDan
    RdDan Male 30-39
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    September 17, 2008 at 8:51 pm
    Aye, I suppose the [email protected] really doesn`t matter in the grand scheme of things, does he?
    Just another rich athelete with a big head and wool between the ears
  73. Profile photo of fancylad
    fancylad Male 30-39
    18931 posts
    September 17, 2008 at 8:59 pm
    "Sorry man..but I have to say that comment, in general, is a pet peeve of mine. It`s a silly statement. Here is why!"

    Maddog,

    I see where you`re coming from with your rebuttal, but I have proof that if an American doesn`t like America, they can leave.

    A friend of mine, put up or shut up. He said, "If Bush wins a second term, I`m leaving America and moving to Canada.

    I did not believe him. I thought it was just another pretentious remark made to look smart. Well, Bush won and a week later, he put in his paperwork to move to Canada--Toronto to be exact.

    He left a girlfriend, a Mom and brother, a nice apartment in Long Beach and a good entry-level job in the marketing industry. He sold everything but his laptop, clothes and CD collection and when his paperwork was approved (about 12 months later), drove a rental car to Toronto. Three years later, he`s doing OK.

    In short, if someone really wants out of America, it will happen. Otherwise, it`s all talk.

  74. Profile photo of opiebreath
    opiebreath Female 18-29
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    September 17, 2008 at 9:06 pm
    But Fancy, are you saying that no one should ever complain because there are options?

    If my options were to stab myself or shoot myself, that doesn`t mean I can`t complain about picking the one that hurts less.

    While I agree that yeah, complaining while not moving and not trying to do anything to help the problem is idiotic, it`s at least better than shutting up about about a problem that could potentially be hurting others. Complaining brings light to the issue. Complaining can bring change.

    Though it`s the most annoying form of it...

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    Nezhy Male 30-39
    6 posts
    September 17, 2008 at 9:06 pm
    Cosby said it best. There are blacks, then there are n!ggers in this world. Stupid a$$es.
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    fancylad Male 30-39
    18931 posts
    September 17, 2008 at 9:19 pm
    opiebreath,

    Complain all you want. complain until people around you hate you for your complaints. BUT if you`re going to complain, at least follow up your jabbering with action.

    Complaining is part of the solution. But if all you do is complain and bitch and moan about how crappy America is, no one is going to take you seriously and eventually, you`ll just be that guy who rants and raves about how America is unfair. It gets old and it`s incredibly unoriginal.

    Complain, get your message out and follow it up with actions. But just don`t threaten that America sucks and wait around for someone to fix it.

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    opiebreath Female 18-29
    15774 posts
    September 17, 2008 at 9:22 pm
    Which is why I said it`s the most annoying form, and completely idiotic.

    But America is definitely not the only country with people complaining who are perfectly capable of changing their situations and environments.

    What I complain about, I try and change.

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    fancylad Male 30-39
    18931 posts
    September 17, 2008 at 9:23 pm
    opie,

    also, i didn`t mean you, i meant people who complain about america in general.

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    opiebreath Female 18-29
    15774 posts
    September 17, 2008 at 9:28 pm
    I think those are just complainers in general.

    About everything.

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    Donkey546 Male 13-17
    76 posts
    September 17, 2008 at 10:47 pm
    Isn`t the whole point of a casual forum to write things that no one cares about? So I say in conclusion to my previous statement, I think fancy is pretty rude and we will complain about him. Please do not care about what I just wrote because that is what forums are for.
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    sarahruth Female 18-29
    48 posts
    September 18, 2008 at 12:00 am
    Ok so I generally don`t complain about the US and I try to be a productive member of society but I do want to move to New Zealand. I`m dirt a$$ poor so if you`re gonna kick me out cause I don`t wanna be here, then I`ll set up a PayPal account so you can fund it. win-win
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    elkingo Male 30-39
    5471 posts
    September 18, 2008 at 12:16 am
    What I am saying is that there is a difference between free speech and actual hatred of this country.
    Here is my idea of acceptable:

    Complaints.. ok
    Complaints but don`t vote... semi ok
    Complaints to a foreigner not cool
    hatred of America: not acceptable at all

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    elkingo Male 30-39
    5471 posts
    September 18, 2008 at 12:19 am
    Maddog, its not totally untrue that America is unlike a personal house because we do vote for laws (by voting for congressmen and senators), and that makes them our rules.
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    elkingo Male 30-39
    5471 posts
    September 18, 2008 at 12:25 am
    Not wanting to get a whole race thing started, but a story about a girl. I thought she was pretty, so I held the door open for her.. she was black, she said it was nice that I did it for a "black" woman. It seems that black people bring up race a lot. In short, race has nothing to do with freedoms.. although one can argue that it was a huge issue in the 1950`s or other times.. but if one is treated with racism they can take it to court now.. so it isn`t really an issue. Although some local cases aren`t fair on both sides of it.
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    Lionhart2 Male 40-49
    8306 posts
    September 18, 2008 at 1:10 am
    As for all this racism talk in this post, let me make this observation... in Australia there are Japanese, Greeks, Aborigines, New Zealanders, Pacific Islanders... almost every nation on Earth makes up our population and they are all Aussies. You Yanks seem to be forever making issues out of colour, even when you say you`re not. Even when you are arguing against racism you`re perpetuating it by having the debate in the first place. In Australia, if I went up to an aborigine in the street and punched him, it would be half an hour before anyone suggested his colour might have something to do with it - as a nation it just wouldn`t even OCCUR to us that that could be the reason, because we just don`t THINK of there being a difference. Early on in our history the Pom immigrants treated aborigines terribly, but these days there is no such thing as race in Australia, just "a fair go for all". We`re the biggest bunch of mixed-breed mongrels in the world, and we love it that way.
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    Devi3000 Female 18-29
    1497 posts
    September 18, 2008 at 2:30 am
    "I`m black."

    BAHAHAHAHAH!!! OK then take your black ass to Africa then. Oh God. The poor, poor, black community, so full of plain old ignorance, they will forever be stuck as the victim of society and this video is a perfect example of why.

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    NYDMT Male 13-17
    38 posts
    September 18, 2008 at 5:03 am
    drat Josh Howard, and drat that white guy in the beginning. GOD BLESS AMERICA!
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    Turtlestyl Male 30-39
    33 posts
    September 18, 2008 at 5:09 am
    Lionheart2 you said "You Yanks seem to be forever making issues out of colour" So tell us Lionheart when you say *you yanks* what are you makeing an issue out of ?
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    simbha Male 30-39
    412 posts
    September 18, 2008 at 5:48 am
    I have no idea what being black has to do with loving/hating/singing the national anthem. The only thing I could think of is a reference to slavery or something similar in the other three (usually unsung) verses - but I checked and couldn`t find any. What I DID find is that the author of the anthem, Francis Scott Key, is largely considered an anti-slavery advocate. While originally a slave-owner himself, Key emancipated his own slaves and fought for the establishment of African colonies where, according to the link below, "where American slaves and free blacks could form an enlightened black republic."

    If race has anything to do with the origins of the national anthem, it would seem to me that blacks would sing it with more ferver than others.

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    simbha Male 30-39
    412 posts
    September 18, 2008 at 5:49 am
    Oops. Forgot the link referred to in my post below.

    http://www.mdoe.org/keyFS.html

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    kevinmiller0 Male 18-29
    171 posts
    September 18, 2008 at 9:02 am
    Black people causing trouble, again. =(
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    murrymalty Female 18-29
    2673 posts
    September 18, 2008 at 10:32 am
    rather off topic, but MAVS SUCK
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    LoofahBoy Male 18-29
    3301 posts
    September 18, 2008 at 10:52 am
    This video actually turned me stupid.
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    Nidonemo Male 18-29
    9308 posts
    September 18, 2008 at 11:09 am
    So he doesn`t have to do it if he doesn`t want to. He has the right to do and act how he sees fit, I may not agree with it, or think him a fool for what he says, but that`s my opinion and he has the right to his too.
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    primetimekin Male 18-29
    7935 posts
    September 18, 2008 at 11:18 am
    I love it how people are taking his comments to represent the black community.

    We all know Howard is an idiot, how many more play-off games does he need to drat up to prove that.

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    bcanddc Male 40-49
    14 posts
    September 18, 2008 at 1:23 pm
    I would say the total IQ for all those in the video could not possibly exceed 50...TOTAL, for all of them. What a bunch of lowlife ignoramises!!! Classic example of a lack of good parenting coupled with a poor public education.

    Does it not occur to this idiot that if not for this country and it`s wealth, he would have NOTHING? The man has ZERO marketable skills other than his questionable ability to play a child`s playground game.

    I say you are entitled to your opinion by all means and he`s entitled to hear our opinion too. Here it is........If you don`t like it here, get your ass on a plane and get the hell out of my country you piece of crap! There are PLENTY of third world hell holes that would love to have you.....GET OUT!!!

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    keith2 Male 30-39
    2589 posts
    September 18, 2008 at 5:00 pm
    wow. that pissed me off. ok how about we ship his ass back to africa. watch how fast he begs to come back. you all know im not racist but it pisses me off when certain black people act like they`re too cool and black to have pride in our country.
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    newlife Male 40-49
    254 posts
    September 19, 2008 at 8:58 am
    He`s a towelhead....lol
    You don`t like usa...go back to africa and be a regula poor nigga over there not playin sports...BROTHA!!!!
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    Vagrant86 Male 18-29
    2556 posts
    September 19, 2008 at 9:16 am
    can of worms = open.

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