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Iraq just made damn sure it WILL happen again given a chance!
9/11 happened because of lack of action with intelligence that the US was given about that attack. Not only our intelligence but warnings from many, many other countries. Other attacks planned for the US during Clinton were squashed and was made public.
Information was ignored and not dealt with by this administration, and no of course I do not believe they orchestrated it. I do believe they had ideas that something in the near future was going to be put in action and they failed to carry out the necessary precautions and defense. There is absolutely no doubt in my mind.
http://www.historycommons.org/timeline.j... Go to the more recent entries, it makes me cry when I read how much more we could`ve done.
I wish it would end already
It is NOT conspiracy and if you want, jump to the second half of it to see how we let Osama go and then head over to Iraq.
Its just appalling.
The movie is all fact based, its a time line of what went on after 911. Please everyone, educate yourself.
They said what is going on there now if far, far worse and it doesn`t look like its going to be getting any better.
When someone kidnaps their sons or husbands the women joke and say to their neighbors, "Oh, yes, well that`s the democracy working"
The conditions over there are HORRIFIC, please go out and listen to the people of that country and not just what you hear from American television and politicans. Most of them would rather have Sadam back.
I watched this show on Iraqi women and they were Dr.`s, Civil Engineers and Pharmacists who were very educated that came to the US to speak to people about what it is really like and that they want us to leave. Most of them when they returned to Iraq had to leave because they were put on a death list and lost family members because of it.
Really sad stuff.
I might be joining the US Marines. Both because I want to serve and because I believe that the best way to end a war, is to actually finish fighting it.
So were you a pirate who sailed the high seas?
So..when you talk freedom, where do we stop? Iraq has oil, something we are willingly taking as the spoils of war! Sp do we continue to police the world? What about Dafur? What about Rober Mugabe and Africa? What about North Korea and Kim Jong-il? Hell..millions ofNorth Koreans have died under that madman!
If we justify Iraqm then we must be prapred to continue to remove the madmen from the world. That would be a noble and worthy cause...but thats not going to happen is it. Iraq had oil..and that is the sole reason we are there. To claim otherwise is ignorace. Make your choice!
So, don`t go thinking there aren`t soldiers (from the Iraq war and others alike) who are anti-war, or who at least disagree with the current war, and the government that started it. I`m sure they all see beyond McCain`s glorious POW image, too, to see that he`d really make things WORSE with his "foreign policy experience".
Not ALL soldiers are over-patriotic, gun-wielding, conservatives who hate Obama and his "dirty, hippie liberals" like some seem to believe. If you`ve ever been to an anti-war protest, or witnessed one, you`ll know that there are always veterans there that are helping to speak out against the war.
This video is just the tip of the iceberg of an entire group of people.
Yes we can question it. I often do... very intelligently as a matter of fact. I am , along with many of the "dumb jar heads" someone called us earlier, fully aware when our Commander in Chief makes a bone-headed call. Or, our Government sends us in a direction that seems a little hairy and a little shady. We know it and we do question it, but we also have faith. We have all read "a message to garcia" and most of us carry forth the flame into the unknown whether we like it or not. We are all fully aware that we "may" be doing harm and that we "may" be doing good. I am sure the military personnel carpet bombing Japan during the World War knew they were killing innocent civilians too. We are not stupid. And yet it was still war and war exacts a price. We share the burden of command. So don`t call me ignorant sir.
When you sign up to be a soldier some of your constitutional rights are taken away.
And in other news, I just heard that Hollywood is waiting to see who is President, and based on their tax brackets, that will decide how much they decide to spend on movies.
and what about if troops should be pulled out? well Iraq has said they want our troops out by 2011...so they are coming out
but the bush government deserves to be kicked out on its ass for basically throwing our troops into a war zone without any real plan of action...then had the audacity to say "mission accomplished" when they had done nothing at all
Everyone needs to quit their complaining and get the dratn` job done. What war in history didn`t come with its` fair share of lies and/or propaganda? You all act like this is new or something! Retards all. --------------------------------------------------
No..the real retards are the morons who stand there and and risk their life without questioning WHY they are doing it! the real retards are people who just accept anything and everything they are told as the truth without considering ANY other point of view! The real retards are those who will happily sacrifice anothers life without questioning why! There is a name for that sort of person!
"But watch out. We`ll be declaring war on Iran before you know it"
So there is still a chance... I thought I would`ve missed out on Iraq, where are those Air Force papers
then the third one posts propaganda and clearly believes or wants OTHERS to believe obama is a muslim. even though thats native kenyan clothing.
good job being ignorant.
Everyone needs to quit their complaining and get the dratn` job done. What war in history didn`t come with its` fair share of lies and/or propaganda? You all act like this is new or something! Retards all.
That guy is very brave for what he went through!
This war is a sham, yes.But watch out. We`ll be declaring war on Iran before you know it. That`s not conspiracy theory, read House Resolution 362, which already has 265 congressional cosponsors.
I am just so grateful my only brother is too sick to be drafted....
Agreed. Which is where I see the greatest irony in that the vast majority of hardcore supporters of the "War on Terror" are right-wing conservative christians, who are ususally the first ones to spout things like "God doesn`t hate homosexuals, he just hates their acts of homosexuality".
I`d say this guy is out numbered by 1 in 10 on his views. Most military troops don`t think this war was a mistake. Maybe this guy didn`t get to see WMD`s first hand, But they where there.
And to any of you that don`t believe Saddam was supporting terrorism, Consider this.Saddam was paying the widows of suicide bombers $25,000 for their sacrifice.
Saddam pays suicide bombers
because the reality is as this gentleman states it is. . .it will just take the jar heads WAY longer to get it.
but some Americans might actually not be able to handle the truth. But in their pretend world the were WDM`s we have freed people allover this world. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_war...
cause to actually "see" can be really upsetting or vastly liberating.
be wellpeace by peace
To be fair, user orionsbelt has to get the credit for finding this and posting it in the discussion on the other video. I just submitted it as a link.
vv And birdbranze, to repost a comment of mine from the last thread, of course we support our troops (I`m British, our boys are getting killed too), and we all want them to come home safely. But it`s really really OK to support the troops and at the same time oppose the war and the lies we were all fed going into it.
I`m constantly amazed that there are millions of people out there who cannot (or will not) make the distiction between those two compatible views.
Though he lost his arm. That`s WAY tougher.
And thanks Davy, it`s good to see an example here of how both sides (all sides, really) are represented in the army.
AAAAAAND let the discussion begin!