A Vegetarian Diet Shrinks the Brain

Submitted by: CrakrJak 9 years ago in Science
http://www.asylum.com/2008/09/15/a-vegertarian-diet-shrinks-the-brain/

According to a new study, vegetarians and vegans are 6 times more likely to suffer from brain shrinkage than meat eaters
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Male 246
Or it could just be the fact that everyone in the sample was over 61 years old. 61+ years old and testing the memory loss in 5 years. Give me a drating break
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Female 60
AndroidMetro, you dick.

Its the vegetarians` fault that they suffer. They just dont take the pills to give them the vitamins they need.

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Male 807
No wonder women are so dumb.
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Male 2,553
go figure XD
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Male 5,620
If God didn`t want us to eat animals, then why did he make them out of meat?
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Female 15,763
This article, more than saying vegetarianism is bad is saying that most vegetarians don`t look for the required nutrients in other sources like they need to.
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Male 375
Ethical, ha

plants are alive when you eat them, at least the meat is dead. You plant killer you, murderer!!!

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Male 375
HAHA another loser

I did read the article and don`t need it re-read back to me. I did`t read more than 2 lines of your stupid rant tho, waste of time.

Your face looks like an ass

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Male 33
Vegetarianism requires that you consider alternative sources for vital nutrients. Animal carcass is not the only source for these nutrients, so the arrogant appraisal that this study somehow vindicates carnivores as being in the right is a flawed assertion to say the least. I`ve been a vegetarian for almost a decade and there has been no detriment to my health, and there are vegetarians far older than I am. Research studies are contradicted on a constant basis, so don`t look to a singular source if you`re looking for a justification for eating animals. I could cite an infinite number of reasons why vegetarianism is healthier, more ethical, and the nobler choice. Please enjoy your carrion, but don`t use science as a justification for it. You can buy vitamin B-12 in any pharmacy.
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Male 33
Oh yeah, he`s a total loser... except that you clearly didn`t read the article, he`s merely restated the facts from said article. Studies show any number of conflicting sorts of datum depending on who`s engaging in the study, who paid to fund the study, and the general bias of those partaking in the research, however in this instance the research does seem sound. But as several people have pointed out, and as some of you are clearly far too dense to absorb, Vitamin B12 is a vital component in avoiding any detriment to your health if you choose a vegetarian lifestyle. If you want to eat animal corpse have at it. It certainly is within your right, but it is equally within other people`s right to choose alternately, and it only makes you look like an ass to berate them. Scientific studies are important building blocks in constructing an argument, but context is imperative. Scientific studies are the beginnings of fact, not the end.
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Male 375
Myth: busted!!

HAHAH loser

I guess you know more than the scientists who did the study, you should tell them how stupid they are

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Male 1,002
If you actually read the article, you`ll see that it only applies to vegetarians at an age when everything in your body starts going south, and also only if they don`t get enough vitamin B12, which is definitely possible to get in a vegetarian form. Myth: BUSTED!!
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Male 10,440
It is unhealthy... some people will never get it. Anyway, nice post.

The 4 food groups are: Potatoes, Meat, Oil and Salt.

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Female 602
So that`s why my no-longer friend was such a dumbass. It all makes sense now...

I know, brain size does not affect intellect...

Anyway, I really would like to be vegetarian... but my mom doesn`t let me. She says it`s unhealthy... I guess it`s true... -__-

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Female 134
Damn. I tried.
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Male 375
O its not an ailment, I would call it a benefit. :)
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Female 134
I believe a nice vegetarian meal may help you with that ailment.
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Male 269
"A Vegetarian Diet Shrinks the Brain" It`s about time!

"you ever heard of an omnivore? ... we were designed to be omnivores." THANK YOU!

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Male 375
I`m getting goose bumps on my arms now!!
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Female 134
That`s me, uptight and proper all the way. ;P
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Male 375
female genital wash... I like the way that rolls of the tongue, sounds so up tight and proper.
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Female 134
Well, then more power to ya, Aahnold.
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Female 134
"You probably shouldn`t try to read emothions, because they are REALLY hard to convey without tone of voice, and facial expressions."

I believe I`ve already said something to that effect.

All I ever really had an issue with was your insistence on throwing around pointless remarks about certain people being akin to feminine genital wash, while simultaneously arguing the futility of the conversation.

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Male 375
Assimilate13, the purpose it serves is to entertain me. If their identity is formed by my comments on IAB then I say HELL YA!!!
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Male 1,254
Just remember, vegetarianism exploded roughly half a century ago and veganism more recently. While there were vegetarians beforehand, they didn`t exist in as big of numbers. In the next 20 years, that population will be entering the later years in life.

I think we will see the long-term effects of vegetarian diets in a very convincing sample of the population. I for one am predicting a spike in Alzheimer cases.

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Male 1,254
A lot of people are claiming they are not feeling an ill-effects of vegetarian diets in concern to this study. But how many of you are 60 years of age or older? That is where the real problem lies.

Yes, you can take vitamins and other artificial supplements to get B12, proteins, and what have you, but its a different process in how the body is able to break them down and use them. Humans have been eating meat for certain nutrients for millennia. Its been less than a century since supplements have been available. Therefore, natural conditioning supports meat ingestion of nutrients more readily and easier than artificial ingestion.

Especially as a young kid and young adults, the body can get by fine with artificial supplements, but it is less effective over time and with increasing age. Therefore, you`re 20 something vegetarians can be valedictorians. But we`ll check back in 50 years.

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Male 1,894
unfortunatly now is the time where I do have something better to do, so have fun guys
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Male 375
So says the all knowing teenager
You should run for president, your life experience and intelligence are astounding.

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yeah, i`ll do that.

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Of course you will I would not expect anything less of a delusional 17 year old.

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Male 1,894
weird, because all I was trying to say is that brain shrinkage won`t be noticable on a Veggie with vitamin deficency untill they are 50+, so teenages wouldn`t notice it. If it were noticable in teenagers, then this information would have been discovered YEARS ago.

You probably shouldn`t try to read emothions, because they are REALLY hard to convey without tone of voice, and facial expressions.

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Female 134
"I think its fun insulting all the teens who spout off a bunch of "facts" they read out of a magazine. I remember those days thinking adults knew nothing. I know 10 times as much now as I did then and now I realize I know nothing."

Well, hopefully we`ll all get to a point in our lives when we realize how little we truly know. But I think these teenagers are trying to form their identities and make choices that are in line with those identities, and mocking that doesn`t seem to serve much of a purpose, imo, as that will probably only firm their resolve. I`m not going to bash anyone for considering a vegetarian diet (as I said, I`ve been veg for 16 years, since I was 13), I just think too many people aren`t informed about how much work it really takes to be healthy while maintaining that diet. It took me years to figure it out.

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Female 134
In that context I have no way of knowing whether it was a typo or if you have bad grammar skills.

But, no, to answer your question, that does not resolve the issue. :)

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Male 1,894
"Your remark "too" all of the teenagers seemed a touch snippy."

Wow, you really do read too much into what is typed. Especially because "too" was a type, it sould have said "to". Does that make it better?

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Male 375
I think its fun insulting all the teens who spout off a bunch of "facts" they read out of a magazine. I remember those days thinking adults knew nothing. I know 10 times as much now as I did then and now I realize I know nothing.
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Female 134
But perhaps my standards are too high. lol.
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Female 134
"I made no disparaging remarks about teenagers..."

"too all of the teenagers who are veggies who say they are "still" smart, or the like..."

Perhaps this points to the futility of having an argument online at all - tone of voice is very important. Your remark "too" all of the teenagers seemed a touch snippy. Regardless, I don`t see the point in arguing the pointless nature of a discussion by introducing equally pointless, juvenile one-liners.

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Male 1,894
yeah, It`s like contraversy day on IAB. Too bad I`ll have something better to do soon. |-(
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Male 375
Me too, this is getting fun and I also have nothing better to do.

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Male 1,894
Assimilate13,

I made no disparaging remarks about teenagers or nutritional requirements. I was talking about the fact that arguing this topic is a waste of time.

Although, I am enjoying it a little. Mostly because I have nothing better to do at the moment.

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Female 134
ok. :)
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Male 375
I know, i was just being a smart alec ;)
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Female 1,158
So says the all knowing teenager

You should run for president, your life experience and intelligence are astounding.

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yeah, i`ll do that.

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Female 134
Um, Aahnold, I was talking to Backfat. Those quotes aren`t yours...
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Male 1,894
awesome!
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Male 375
Your not invisible, we all still love you like the annoying little kid trying to butt in on someone elses conversation.
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Male 1,894
"I`m sorry backfat, is no one paying attetion to you? Do you feel left out?"

whew, thought I was invisible there fer a minute.

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Male 375
lol, you know nothing about my overdeveloped frontal lobe
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Female 134
"U R A douche"; "Flame on douchbags"

Yeah, I just have to say, for someone making disparaging remarks about teenagers (though I do agree they should make sure they are informed about the nutritional requirements and responsibilities of becoming vegetarian, should they choose that particular diet), you sure do carry out an argument like a person with a less-than-developed frontal lobe....

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Male 375
I`m sorry backfat, is no one paying attetion to you? Do you feel left out?
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Male 1,894
Flame on douchbags
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Male 375
So says the all knowing teenager

You should run for president, your life experience and intelligence are astounding.

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Female 288
oh well for me :-D
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Female 1,158

You didn`t actually answer it, you just talked around the question. I really don`t care about the perception of my statement, In my comments I did not point out the obvious like you did.

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you surely did point out the obvious.

"A vegetarian diet is not necessarily a balanced diet either, ask any athlete. More words of wisdom from teenagers."

that point was just as apparent as the one i made.

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Male 1,894
also to anyone arguing either side of this:

U R A douche.

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Male 1,263
*claps for ByOwlPost*
You totally nailed it.
Thank you.
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Male 375
Don`t you have a class to go to or something??
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Male 1,894
too all of the teenagers who are veggies who say they are "still" smart, or the like...

Shrinkage of the brain will not truly affect you until you are in you 50+ years. If it were an instant thing, then the world would have known about it YEARS ago.

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Male 375
you ought to check the apparent perception of your own statements before judging others as obsolete, when it`s clear that yours are just as irrelevant.


You didn`t actually answer it, you just talked around the question. I really don`t care about the perception of my statement, In my comments I did not point out the obvious like you did.

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Female 1,158
You still didn`t answer the question. How should I work on my h-y-p-o-c-r-i-s-y? Stop changing the subject and simply answer the question.

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okay, i will.

you ought to check the apparent perception of your own statements before judging others as obsolete, when it`s clear that yours are just as irrelevant.

are you done nit-picking, now?

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Male 375
You can sit there an dwell on the misspelling of a word or just answer the question if you can.
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Female 1,158
i would assume she didnt know what hypocracy meant, seeing as it is `hypocrisy`...

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my point exactly.

somebody wanna tell me what on earth "hypocracy" is?

:]

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Male 375
You still didn`t answer the question. How should I work on my h-y-p-o-c-r-i-s-y? Stop changing the subject and simply answer the question.
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Male 1,853
i would assume she didnt know what hypocracy meant, seeing as it is `hypocrisy`...
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Female 1,158
You never even answere my questions, do you even know what hypocracy means? Pick up a dictionary if you need to.

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lmfao, maybe YOU should pick up a dictionary and learn to how to spell it, first.

h-y-p-o-c-r-i-s-y.

;]

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Female 1,158
You on the other hand are not a smart one, is that all you got?

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calm down, honey. i`m not about to continue a futile argument with an individual so close-minded.

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Female 2,695
um. i`m a vegetarian and i`m smarter than most of the people in my classes.. and i`m having no problems learning japanese..
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Male 375
You never even answere my questions, do you even know what hypocracy means? Pick up a dictionary if you need to.
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Male 375
How would you suggest I work on my hypocracy? (stupid comment) What makes you think my comment on your age wasn`t wise? You become wiser with age. Most of your last post really makes no sense anyway.
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wow, you`re a smart one. >.>

You on the other hand are not a smart one, is that all you got?

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Male 386
I`m a vegetarian. But I`m not a strict vegetarian. I eat fish. And duck. Well, cause they`re nearly fish aren`t they... And pigs, sheep, cows; anything that lives near water.
- Bill Bailey
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Female 1,158
How would you suggest I work on my hypocracy? (stupid comment) What makes you think my comment on your age wasn`t wise? You become wiser with age. Most of your last post really makes no sense anyway.

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wow, you`re a smart one. >.>

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Female 134
Take vitamins (especially B Complex), take L-Lysine, consume dairy and eggs (free range if possible, of course). You`ll be just fine. What`s important is being educated about what you are putting into your body, and what you need to be healthy. This goes for veggies and non-veggies alike. There are healthy diets that include meat, and healthy diets that do not. Either way, people should think more about what they consume.

BTW, vegetarian for almost 16 years. :)

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Male 1,263
....This isn`t going to change my dedication to vegetarianism.
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Male 375
i`m pretty sure you did the same in your response to my post.

maybe you should work on your hypocrisy.

the condescending comments towards my age range wasn`t wise, either.

age doesn`t change facts.


How would you suggest I work on my hypocracy? (stupid comment) What makes you think my comment on your age wasn`t wise? You become wiser with age. Most of your last post really makes no sense anyway.

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Male 5,970
O NO DAINTY! Meh, she has been acting odder than usual lately
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Female 1,158
Most people`s diets are not balanced, but thanks for pointing out something that everyone already knows

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i`m pretty sure you did the same in your response to my post.

maybe you should work on your hypocrisy.

the condescending comments towards my age range wasn`t wise, either.

age doesn`t change facts.

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Male 1,853
You know, I actually prefer religious debates over fights about dratING FOOD.
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Male 375
i didn`t claim it was. :]

my point was, either way, whether you incorporate meat into your diet or not... your diet may not be balanced.

you can`t only attack vegetarians and vegans.


Most people`s diets are not balanced, but thanks for pointing out something that everyone already knows

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Male 216
well. im vegetarian and i dont like when i tell someone im vegetarian and they respond "what the hell? YOU are vegetarian? YOU?" or "Stop lying. youre joking right?". well it aint a problem for me. i do get good marks and i am not being a show off but i get the best marks in the class and have been 80% up average for the last forever. i really
there are tons of VEGETARIAN fOODS WITH Vitimin B12. this is definately written rudely/meanly.
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Male 375
I got bored after about 3 sentences of your rant, by the way, you ever heard of an omnivore? If you look at the teeth that we all have you will see that we have teeth for both crushing vegetables and for cutting and tearing meat, we were designed to be omnivores.
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Female 1,158
A vegetarian diet is not necessarily a balanced diet either, ask any athlete. More words of wisdom from teenagers.

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i didn`t claim it was. :]

my point was, either way, whether you incorporate meat into your diet or not... your diet may not be balanced.

you can`t only attack vegetarians and vegans.

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Female 519
(continued)

Carnivores? (I`m sorry if any of you find that term in any way
offensive, i liked it when i was very young and i find it to be an
endearing title. If it offends you, i`d like to apologize.) Anyway..
This article may feel more like an ego boost to you, seeing as the
material favors you. But i`d like to ask that superiority is left out
of the blogging here, because it`s hurting and offending a lot of
people.


I feel like this argument is as old as time, who`s better than who?
Does it matter? Can`t we all just play nicely..?

If anyone responds to this in a way that says "I`m better than you"
or "see, vegetarians are smart" , i believe you may have missed the
point of what i`m saying here..

Thank you.

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Female 519
(continued)

I wish that more people could be open minded about this. Please, no
more small-minded jokes.

The vegetarians that read this are offended, and really, we don`t
much like the idea that our brains could in some way be deficient
because of our way of eating. The information in this article was
presented in an almost cruel way, it could have been said nicely.

As a result, vegetarians are saying some things meat-eaters find
offensive, and everyone keeps defending themselves by saying some
pretty harsh things.

Vegetarians? Does it matter to you if our IQ`s might be a bit lower
because of our way of eating? Yes, what is written here sucks, but
you probably wont change the way you eat, I`m not going to. I might
go get some good vitamin supplements, but hey, lets let this argument
rest.

(continued)

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Female 519
(continued)

So i`d like to say this, I myself am a vegetarian, I have been my
entire life. I`ll be 18 years old this november. I`m not going to say
weather or not i believe this study is correct, but i have to say it
worries me.

Regardless, I`m firm in staying a vegetarian, not because i`m against
people eating meat, but because it was how i was raised since birth,
and it`s outside my comfort zone to eat animals. My boyfriend is a
carnivore, my friends are carnivores, and heck, most of the people
reading this are too. I don`t dislike any of you, and i don`t condone
you for your eating habits.

(continued)

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Female 519
To all carnivores and herbivores.

Everyone gets defensive when they themselves feel attacked about
their diet or even religion. I`m not saying that either side is the
winner or looser in the arguments you`re having against each-other.

You yourselves as a carnivore or herbivore reading this article, can
tell it would be perceived as offensive to a person who does not eat
meat. Plain and simple the article gives their evidence of why they
think vegetarians have, to put it simply "brain shrinkage".

I believe the individual who wrote this article should have stuck to
their study`s results rather than insulting anyone with things such
as "now seems as though these kinds of affronts may just be a product
of small-mindedness."

If anyone called someone "small-minded" because of the way they ate,
which god they believe in, or even simple things, like which school
you attend, they would likely be offended in some way.

(c

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Male 375
A vegetarian diet is not necessarily a balanced diet either, ask any athlete. More words of wisdom from teenagers.
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Male 4,393
I KNEW IT!!!!!!!! :P
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Female 1,158
lmao @ mcgovern.

for those of you saying that vegetarians are foolish in their diet choices...

just because you eat meat doesn`t mean you also have a balanced diet. regardless of whether you do or not, you should keep the rest of your diet in check. the same people who say they eat meat to be sure that their diet is rich in protein are also those who have an insufficient intake of other necessary food groups.

and for another thing, i just can`t stand meat. i`ve never liked it, and i used to gag when i ate it when i was little. i`ve only been a vegetarian for two and a half years, but i couldn`t go back to eating meat even now. it`s the same thing as someone not liking brussel sprouts. you don`t like it, so you don`t eat it.

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Male 375
A well balanced diet of both vegetable and meat products is the best way to go. Vegan diets can be very unhealthy, you do not get everything your body needs from vegetables. There is no such thing as a complete vegetable protein, connective tissues and joints benefit from animal products not vegetables. I have been competative bodybuilding for many years and have met a few "vegan" bodybuilders who look like skinny underware models, none of them would ever be able to enter a regular competition. I don`t eat a lot of red meat but the benefits of fish can do wonders for your body, especially your heart. Fanatical groups like peta should be taken as seriously as any cult.
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Male 223
I was a vegetarian for 8 years (vegan for 3). mY brane dndnt shrink and i be still smart az I evur waaz.


me like meat now

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Male 14,331
I assure all the good looking vegan ladies I can supply you with all the necessary protiens you need :)
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Female 5
Im a vegetarian and have been since I was 7. I am a senior in highschool and have a 92.3 GPA, which is better than all my other friends, who are all meat eatters. So I dont believe this at all. Being a Veg. has loads of health benifits. So if this article is true then sure, vegetarians have smaller brains, but we live longer :-)
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Male 109
Vegetarians have a shrunken brain to begin with. 1. Plants are just as living as animals, a lot more plants had to die to make up a salad then eating a carnivoric meal. 2. Eating just vegetation makes your body malnurished in many different ways; you miss out on tons of proteins, amino acids, etc. that you cant get from vegetation.
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Male 12,138
I`m scared... it`s either the LHC, or fancy himself has ripped a hole in the very fabric of the space-time continuum by reposting the ninja cat video two days in a row...
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Male 1,011
This is exactly why you don`t turn into a vegetarian on a whim. That and if you really screw up and don`t eat any protein your skin will fall off }-)

I have no problems with vegetarians/other restrictions whatsoever that:

1) Are so for religious/cultural reasons
2) are so for health reasons
3) are so because they just don`t like meat

Otherwise you`re just annoying and we don`t care.

I would love to be in an anti PETA ad.

"I would rather wear fur than be an Eco-Terrorist"

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Female 1,158
hah, seriously. it was all codes!

anyway, on topic, i`m a vegetarian myself.

i`ve done my own research in the past, and i`m confident my brain won`t be doing any shrinking any time soon. ;]

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Male 1,894
yep/ Line 19 was all trashed there fer a bit.
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Male 12,138
Wow- that was a serious glitch in the matrix there...
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Male 4,004
hehe I-A-B was FUBAR for me for a sec...source code style.
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Male 3,646
For every animal you don`t eat, I`ll eat four.
For every vegetable you do eat, I`ll eat six animals.
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Female 1,589
Red meat and poultry is gross. They look so dirty and bloody. >< So many diseases you hear about that comes from them too.
I only eat fish. I`ve been doing that for about six years now.
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Male 30
This article is misleading. While I am not fully vegetarian anymore, I have been.

B12 can be found in dairy products, as well, which most vegetarians will consume (milk, cheese, etc.)

B12 can be easily supplemented through vitamins, spirulina, etc.

The target group (age 61+) are going to have brain shrinkage and memory loss anyway.

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Male 1,894
At least it only shrinks their brains. I always thought that it shrinks something much lower.
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Male 1,894
"The decision to eat meat is often attacked by veggies, but it now seems as though these kinds of affronts may just be a product of small-mindedness."
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Take that veggies.

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Male 1,114
Ok... But those veggies are hot...
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Male 474
Suck it, Peta
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Male 1,894
Luckily, I`m a carnatarian. I believe that plants have the right to live.
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Male 17,511
Link: A Vegetarian Diet Shrinks the Brain [Rate Link] - According to a new study, vegetarians and vegans are 6 times more likely to suffer from brain shrinkage than meat eaters
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