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true, god buess all :(
wonderful tribute video, i just thought there were more casualties
What a load of crap!
"Human beings are the limbs of one bodyAll people have been made of one humanityWhen the calamity of time afflicts one limbThe other limbs cannot remain at rest.If you have no sympathy for the troubles of othersYou are not worthy to be called by the name of "man".
-sigh- Oh, you`re so adorable, Gothic (and what a fitting name, too!) wasting an emotion on some nameless, faceless poster who has a different opinion than yours. I can`t even fathom the depths of your hatred for those you actually *know*! My goodness! Its so deep and dark...my untortured mind can`t even comprehend!
So, because of that, I will not "f*ck off". I`m quite content right here, lovely. ;]
"Notice I never named names...*cough* Iroj *cough*"
I know, I know...my name is just so sweet you can`t help BUT to say it. Don`t hide your feelings, for hate is the force of attraction, it is simply love with its back-turned. ^_~
I want to take english and anthropology in college, and some history classes will be nice. Early Middle Ages for the most part, that`s the period that I am most interested in, early to late medievil.
Were you directly involved before it?> Like sending troops? That`s what I mean
Batmanners. you`re part of the Canadian military? Really? *salute* Say, you Liveral or Conservative?
Christ, it`s a manslaughter in here! Both sides are at each other`s throats with very little mod help to quite it down
I`m done, so don`t bother replying, I won`t be checking....there`s newer posts to argue with me on now.
Once again, read the whole sentence. If I wanted to generalize I would have said "muslims are douchebags", but I specified by saying that the Islams who had been hating for a long time were, in fact, douchebags.
I have nothing against "other" religions. I just have something against theism in general, but that did not show in my comment.
Back to the subject. My main argument was and still is that this video was disgusting to those who did lose someone that day. It went way out of hand and out of topic when idiots took stuff I said and turned in into something worse, so I used it against them. ANYWAY, it`s going no where.
but iroj i still hate you. you can just f*ck off
"I shall honor that request when you mourn for the 140,000 people who died during the nuking of Hiroshima and the 80,000 in Nagasaki.Hypocrite." (reply to someone saying that they should be allowed to mourn for the 3000 that died that day)
"Ugh.I hate 9/11 tribute videos.I didn`t really care then and I don`t care now"
"Just because something happens to America doesn`t make it the focal point of the whole world`s concerns. drating drama queens."
and this one pissed me off the most:
"the Islam douchebags"
screw you, im a muslim and im proud to be one. im also one of the most patriotic americans you`ll see here. in my homeroom last year in high school, i was only 1 of 4 kids who stood up EVERY DAY for the pledge of allegiance.that ign
the animals lied to them, saying that if they sat quiet anddid what they were told they would live. And if the terrorists said that on there is a big chance the other terrorists said it too.
They were led to believe everything would be alright and they would see their families again. And then they looked out thweir windows and saw that they were about to crash into the WTC. Gone. The End. What was going theough their heads? Knowing it was their last moments.... and for you all to say "get over it" it sickens me
HiFuMiFemale, 18-29, Western US"To those of you who are telling people to "get over it"
I said : "Not saying "get over it", I`m saying accept that it didn`t affect you if it really didn`t."
Ashez86Female, 18-29, Eastern US
"All of you who are making comments about how America deserved it"
I said : "I`m not saying the U.S. deserved it and I`m not saying I find it funny either."
1: Plays hockey, On my XBOX, yes2: Loves Maple Syrup, Yes I do, my grampa has a sugar shack.3: End every sentence with "eh", this is something I adopted after I learned Canadians were stereotyped as saying it from that "My name is Joe, and I am Canadian" commercial. so I say it every once in a while.4: Where`s a Maple Flag on his shirt...I`ll assume the University double Major meant "wears"And I do in fact wear a Canadian Flag on my shirt every day. I am in the military, we wear the flag on our left shoulder.
i know what you mean, starr and it really pisses me off when they do that. im one of the nicest guys you`ll ever meet and im always there for people and i hardly ever get mad and it pisses the crap out of me when they generalize all americans as heartless ignorant pricks. i just wanna meet them face to face. now i know words over the internet are pointless but im serious, they make me want to rip there heads off >:O
People who are stereotyping all Americans in here as uncaring to the rest of the world`s tragedies are ignorant.
"Easy, I just look at the country of origin of the poster; "Female, 18-29, Eastern US" Tells me all I need to know."
What a huge display of ignorance that quote is. Tell me why this tells you all you need to know? Here, I will make it easier for you- Im a 21yr old female from S. Carolina who`s a double major in HISTORY & biology & plans to attend Veterinary school.
Okay, go- Explain to me why that means I do not care about the atomic attack on Japan. Any explanation you can throw at me will be wrong-because I DO care. In fact, in my history studies I took a 3 week trip with my University to study Japanese history.
To say that I must not care about that because of my location, age, & sex is blatantly bias & incorrect stereotyping. It`s like saying "Oh, Batmanners is 18-29 from Canada. That must mean he plays hockey, loves maple syrup, says `eh` after every sentence, & wheres a maple leaf on his shirt."
...deserved the same respect.
How DARE you call me a hypocrite when what I was doing in that post was defending the respect & honor of those who have died, so unjustly. Those who do not care about that, or those who can shrug it off- I do not understand how you can have such a uncaring regard towards human life & the living hell that people were in trapped in those buildings, burning alive, jumping to their death.
What in the world would ever make you think that when I said that it`s about the lives lost, no regard to nationality (that includes the Middle Easterners who died that day too), that I wouldnt care about the great tragedies in the past (& present) of other countries? My WHOLE point was that if could have happened in ANY country and the victims would deserve t
how many more arguments are going to go on in this post anyway, im not even american and i feel like im the only one here that understands what that day is about, remeberance, not argueing about whether we should remembered or not. From now on im gonna keep my opinions to myself when stuff like this happens, because thats NOT what it is about!
WTC has been subject of terrorist attacks before because it is a symbol of our economy and capitalism. Two plans hitting these buildings and bringing them down was a symbol.
Anybody else see the beautiful beautiful irony in that?
you americans are just mad and scared over this becuase you thought too highly of your government and is ignorant
That`s one of the dumbest things I`ve ever heard if an organized attack happened on Canada it would be all over the news and which country do you think would be the first to send help.
Well... you don`t have to. And I might even agree with you that people don`t need to be "drama queens" about that which didn`t affect them personally.
But YOU broke out the issue of whether she mourns over Hiroshima and Nagasaki as a point, used that as a judgement for whether or not she`s a hypocrite.
So which is it that bothers you- drama queen or hypocrite? And if it`s the first, why bring anything about other massacres up at all? If it`s the second, well, you have yet to provide any real example of her hypocrisy.
Get your story straight and maybe you won`t need to throw around a bunch of garbage about age/gender/region of origin to make a point.
And no, I will not eat you.
Easy, I just look at the country of origin of the poster; "Female, 18-29, Eastern US" Tells me all I need to know.
Not saying I personally think about the bombings on those days, but then again, I don`t single out anything and take a moment out of my life to be a drama queen over something that happened to my country.
Other than November 11th, when I reminisce about all the casualties of WW2, British, German, French, Jewish, Japanese, Italian, American, the list goes on, not just Canadian ones.
So eat me.
It`s hard to agree with someone who`s right, I know...
I shall honor that request when you mourn for the 140,000 people who died during the nuking of Hiroshima and the 80,000 in Nagasaki.
Now how do you know that the individual doesn`t take a moment for remembrance on THAT anniversary?
Shouldn`t make assumptions like that.
Or I can just call you a hypocrite for failing to mourn the Nanking massacre of 1937-38 when the Japanese slaughtered at least 200,000 Chinese...
We can play the one-up game all day, but ya know... that`s probably more of an insult to the dead than most of the other stupid comments that`ve been made here.
Those bastards, getting all excited over something like that. How dare they.
So now you think we`re trying to start some sort of "our volcanos are more important than yours, nya nya nya" pissing match?
The comment box is confused about the 1000 characters allowed, I`ve realized...
The "never forget" attitude only has any value if you actually remember anything that happened to anyone else. Otherwise, it`s not a tribute, it`s an insult..."
So unless we can cover and remember every tragedy worldwide, we can`t mourn our own, because other people in other places are demeaned by us caring about our own?
Ridiculous. If you think it demeans you for someone else to have a memorial for their own people, maybe you need a little demeaning to trim that ego down to a reasonable level.
"The only reason Princess Di was on the news so much, is because she was popular in America. "
So... when American events are on American news that`s offensive to you because we don`t cover enough international events, but when we DO cover international events you blow it off?
And how is the St Helens eruption disgustingly famous? I t
It`s disgusting for example, that Mt. St. Helen`s eruption is the most famous eruption because it killed 8 Americans, and not Mt. Pinatumbo, that killed thousands, was heard a third of the way around the world, and the shockwave circled the earth 3 times.
The "never forget" attitude only has any value if you actually remember anything that happened to anyone else. Otherwise, it`s not a tribute, it`s an insult to everyone else who lost their lives but didn`t get media coverage, and they have every right to tell you to shut the hell up.
And quite frankly, you don`t even know what`s going on *while it`s happening*.
P.s. The only reason Princess Di was on the news so much, is because she was popular in America.
All of you who are making comments about how America deserved it, or how things like this happen in other countries all the time, or how if it happened somewhere else it wouldnt be that big of deal..... NONE OF THAT MATTERS!
Look, the point is not where it happened or why. Its not whether the country deserved it or not. Its not about the headlines it made or what would have happened if it happened in Canada, or anywhere else. Because none of that would change the fact that all of these innocent lives were taken! The county it happened it doesnt matter. It could have happened anywhere & it should deserve to be remembered the same. This isnt about politics, not in a MEMORIAL sense. Forget the country, forget that it was America.
Think about the 3000 innocent PEOPLE(nationality doesnt matter) who died that day.
To those of you who are telling people to "get over it" you should really try to empathize with those still mourning. Maybe you have this `amazing` ability to "get over" the death of a loved one but that doesn`t make anyone elses pain any less important. Even if you didn`t loose someone that day dont trivialize others feelings with your heartless comments.
For many of us in the US this was our first experience of an attack on our home turf and it will be remembered and memorialized for years to come.
This day also makes me think of all the soldiers and Iraqi civilians loosing their lives each day. So really for many of us its not just a day to remember the attacks but also a day to think about all the atrocities still happening and to demand an end to the war.
I do think the people that lost someone they cared about in the attack have a right to care to this day. The others are completely unaffected. Per example : The CN tower gets blown up, people die, no one I know. I don`t care, other than the fact I wanted to go to the top one day. I would want my government to exact revenge on behalf of my nation, which your government has, and then some.
Not saying "get over it", I`m saying accept that it didn`t affect you if it really didn`t.
My heart goes out to those who lost someone on that day.
I told you, these drama queens can`t get their panties untwisted when someone doesn`t whimper when 9-11 is mentioned.
Hey guys, look, someone was there and witnessed the incident and they decided to MOVE ON WITH THEIR LIVES. What a novel idea! Bucky...you`re pretty much the only adult about this whole situation that had some sort of connection to the attack.
I am getting a death threat for caring as much for 9/11 as I care about the Tokyo subway bombings or the Madrid train bombings. You`re smart.
I`m not saying the U.S. deserved it and I`m not saying I find it funny either.
If it had happened in Toronto, Montreal or Vancouver, or whatever other city, it would not have been as dramatic, nor would it have received as much coverage as 9/11 did. It might have been mentionned on CNN`s little scroll.
so there you go
seriously if only murder was legal....i know i say i`m against it but some people really push my limits...
There was a terrorist attack on Glasgow Airport, some guy kicked the crap out of the two terrorists while they were on fire.
And back OT:Again, im bracing for flames, but i`m pretty sure if you look back in the history books, America was pretty much asking for something like this. It was just a matter of time until one of the countries did something about it.
I saw it as a chance to change your ways, but, oh well nevermind.
I witnessed this tradgey in person & lost a family member in the towers. Her body was never found.
I took today to shut myself out from things 9/11 related, including things friends passed onto me in myspace or facebook.
I did not sit home and mourn, but I went out and enjoyed life to the fullest today. I have mourned for the past 6 years on this day and this year I decided to move on.
I have not forgotten what happened that day, nor will I ever but this year I had to. I cannot keep reliving the emotions and feelings that went throught me that day.
As I watch this video, I cry because a flood of feelings come back. It`s still difficult to this day to believe what happened, but it happened and there`s no going back to change things.
You only have one life on this earth, and I plan on living it to it`s fullest. It`s time for me to let go, time for me to move on.
It doesn`t matter what you think of America or what you think caused 9-11 or anything like that.
People died. Innocent people who were doing their jobs on a normal day. People that had families and loved ones. Yes, it was 7 years ago, and yes people die and tragedies happen everyday in countries around the world, but this happened too. That is what this is about, all the dead and those who suffered, and still do as an effect of 9-11.
Have some respect, not for America, but for those who perished. How can you be so uncaring towards the loss of nearly 3000 lives?
Posts like "who cares" or "get over it" are heartless and show your lack of respect for those who were murdered that day. That`s like going up to some random person grieving in a cemetery and saying "get over it, it`s been 7 years". I`d love to see any of you sh*ts walk up to a victim`s child and say some of the crap you`ve said. The same kids who now don`t have a father/mother to watch them grow up because some sick f*ck with a point to prove flew a plane into their office and killed them in cold blood. Seriously, think about that a second. And if you still think you can justify what you said, you don`t deserve to be on this Earth.
If you really don`t care, you didn`t have to post at all. But posting that you don`t give a crap on a memorial thread is low as hell. <
I should know...all the fat cheerleaders in my school all somehow got knocked-up. SOMEONE is doing the luvin`.
Well what if it happened in one of your important cities... Canada has cities right?
Seriously, some of you are starting to sound like fat cheerleaders.
You, sir, are heartless and...uhm -scrolls back to see other flames-
Oh, and I bet you think no one should think about this either!? Dratting troll. OF COURSE the whole WORLD should focus on an attack on America where only 3000 people died. Didn`t you know its the worst thing ever? PEOPLE LOST THEIR LIVES!! I mean, its not like tens of thousands of other innocent people haven`t died before or after this...but still.
I hate 9/11 tribute videos.
I didn`t really care then and I don`t care now. A lot of countries didn`t like America before then (this just in : they still don`t), and the Islam douchebags had been hating you for a long time.
I am sure it sucked for the people who knew someone who died, or lost their job due to the attacks, but otherwise STFU about it. It happened, it was dealt with (very badly handled, but handled nonetheless).
Just because something happens to America doesn`t make it the focal point of the whole world`s concerns. drating drama queens.
its because they were innocent victims of a murder which took place basically because the killers didnt think our way of living is correct
But, here I am, calmly explaining my point of view while people flip out.
Oh oh...and Pom: "But there have been so many bigger tragedies". -wink-
Sorry if you misunderstood :(
Sorry anyone if your the victims of 911
But hey, what can I say, I like being taken out of context, considering I`m being blasted for basically nothing.
That is why people are looking back you inconsiderate fool. Do you bitch about people mourning Pearl Harbor or D-Day?? O and I am sure everyone thinks about the men and woman dying in Iraq you twit.
If I hear that stupid argument about "But there have been so much bigger tragedies" one more time. Well I don`t know what I will do! Because is that not saying that we should not remember the events that took place purely because bigger tragedies have happened?Stupid stupid stupid!
They arent crying because their tears, are completely spent, and rightfully so, on the death of Princess Diana.
Your over 18 big boy, no need to stay here.
Pilanus, because none of those other 150k had the economic impact that those 3000 had.
Its even funnier when you start to cuss and make threats over the internet. ;]
" do you think that the people that we truely love who have died want us to see us cry?
i mean seriously? "
Yes Skyira...because if we don`t, then we`re heartless unAmericans!
Besides, it seems like EVERYONE has an uncle or an aunt or a best friend or a cousin or knew someone that knew someone that had coffee with that person who walked their dog who died in the tower.
See? We`re ALL affected!
However, there were more than 3000 people that dies that day. there were 153,000. and then 150,000 on september 12 and September 13th and 14th and 15th and so on.
I want to know WHY THE HELL DO 3000 PEOPLE GET THE ENTIRE WORLDS ATTENTION, AND AN ENDLESS NUMBER OF TRIBUTES, WHEN ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY THOUSAND PEOPLE DIE EVERY DAY?! THESE ARE MOTHERS FATHERS, BROTHERS SISTERS, AUNTS, UNCLES, HUSBANDS, WIVES, BEST FRIENDS, ONLY FRIENDS, NEIGHBORS, AND MORE, WHY THE HELL DO THESE PEOPLE NOT DESERVE THE SAME RESPECT, SIMPLY BECAUSE THEY DID NOT DIE IN A BUILDING COLLAPSE OR A PLANE CRASH?
There is no justification for immortalizing 3000 ordinary men and women, who just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time, simply because their death was more public.
I`m not saying we should forget those that died in the September 11th attacks, but we should empathize equally for everyone`s
sorry, but you can use iraq for just about any argument against america.
Male, 18-29, Midwest USThursday, September 11, 2008 6:38:55 PM
Thursday, September 11, 2008 5:47:25 PM
The reason WHY people remember 9/11 is because it isn`t just an attack on the US, its an attack on the entire world......................
when did US became an entire world?
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When the entire world depends on our foreign aid.
when did US became an entire world?
Are we only allowed to mourn the lives of peolewho died in one tragedy and not another?
Beacause I have respect for anyone who has died at the hands of someone else. Whether it was the murder of matthew shepard, The thousands of 9/11 Victims, the millions who died in the holocaust, and even the people who were just murdered out of cold blood yesterday and today that we don`t even know about.
I`m sorry fi you little chidren and heartless immature adults even, can`t get this through their thick skulls.
And Siora, yes opinions are welcome. But expect to have people attack it. And you are then welcome to defend your point
Siora, it`s too easy to call someone a troll, meaning anyone who disagrees with your point of view. I don`t call you trolling, I say you`re expressing your personal opinion, which is all welcomed here. Trolls are idiots like PostModern on page one who`s only contribution was "LAWL, Stupid Americans!".
Yes it was a horrible tragedy, but there has been MUCH bigger tragedies in human history, where are the rememberances for those? As Iroj said, we`d have one every day.
Sorry if you don`t like my opinion, flame me if you like, call me a troll. But honestly, A. I don`t care and B. If you can`t accept others opinions and decide to shout up against them, doesn`t that technically make you a troll too?
"The side fell down-""No, the entire BUILDING fell down."
I was just a little 5th grader, I had no idea what was going on.
Just wanted to say that I don`t see what`s wrong with mourning for one more than one event. Our only worries don`t have to be on the worst times in human history all the time, we can still remember the other things that have happened. Especially on the anniversaries of those things.
It was the biggest American tragedy that happened in my life, so forgive me if it`s still important to me. It hits home. The Bombings in Europe shortly after this event affected the people in Europe more than it did in America for that same reason.
So please stop acting like you`re better than someone who feels for this day.
I almost couldnt watch the planes. How swiftly they were moving, like a cartoon.How they all lost there lives. We were on the SAME plane 1 week before. I will pray for everyone who endured such pain,but smile cause the people tried to break open the door to the driver. I,WE will never forget
You yanks get photoshop class? Sh*t, over here in Euroland all we get in school is crap such as physics, chemistry, english and geography. We`re missing out.
Oh and yes, I made an article on uncyclopedia on Iaboredeu,
Davy and nerd- *facepalm*
Iroj is a troll
If you guys wanna zing her, then please go ahead- This is what the forums are about after all!
IAB the crap outta her
We Mods were having a discussion about some of the obvious trolls on this thread, and whether or not to delete them. We decided not to, instead we`d let them hang out dry, and let the IAB regulars eat `em alive. To delete their posts would be to hide their douchebaggery.
So well done on keeping the comments mature, on-topic, and above all for shooting down these wankers in the way they deserve. Bravo."
i love IAB :-D
Feel free to blast my heartless, unAmeruikan troll opinions while I am away.
Oh, not to jump on the HOMG I LOST A FAMILY MEMBER T_T bandwagon, but I did lose a family member that day, my mother`s sister.
It sucks, but you know, thats life. People die every day. Eventually you wake up and just go on with your life.
who said you must devote your whole day to a "bunch of people who died" try SHOWING RESPECT for christs sake, and dont talk about it like its nothing, when you lose a member of your family to such a tragedy, come back and repeat all of this... you need to show consideration to the thousands of people who suffered that day... its called respect, try it sometime...seriously.
2002: It was cool, everyone was banded together for once in America`s history.
2003: Still cool and tear-jerker worth
2004: Okay, a little repetitive but understandable.
2005: Seriously? Don`t we have other things to worry about? Like the tens of thousands dying in the war?
2006: Five years. Understandable.
2007; ...Seriously? SERIOUSLY!? We`re still acting like nothing worse has happened since then?
2008: Well, I had completely forgot until I logged onto IAB
take my advice and shut the drat up befire you make yourself look even worse
Welcome to IAB, bitch. :)
Thats what I mean by `get over it`. Remember, of course, but honestly, don`t act all butt-hurt because someone doesn`t feel the need to devote their whole day to remembering a bunch of people who died. If that was the case, we`d devote every second of every day to people who died.
But, then again, I don`t agree with the popular opinion, so I am a troll.
PS. I like the name Troj...very clever. I might start using that. ;]
No-one can watch this and then say their own government engineerd it, thats just plain wrong.
We Mods were having a discussion about some of the obvious trolls on this thread, and whether or not to delete them. We decided not to, instead we`d let them hang out dry, and let the IAB regulars eat `em alive. To delete their posts would be to hide their douchebaggery.
So well done on keeping the comments mature, on-topic, and above all for shooting down these wankers in the way they deserve. Bravo.
So, before I go out for a bit...here is another tragedy I feel needs to be brought to light.
9-11-2004 NEVAR FORGET
Iroj: "Hahaha. I love arguing with the overly sensitive, patriotic morons. "Amur-ika was attacked seven years ago today. -sniffle-"
It`s only been seven years since it happened. Extremely short amount of time, when you look at perspective. After all, the holocaust of the Jews had only ended 63 years ago. Would you go to anyone with a Jewish heritage and tell them to "just get over it already"? Probably not... It would be the height of disrespect.
As for the other argument: You don`t know what we hold memorials for, or what we don`t. Therefore you really are in no position to judge us.
Bin Laden, ... ok. Why? Who else is on the list, and why would they have done it.
All of that just don`t have any answer. It is almost hyprocrite (despite good) to claim for memory when you still cant explain why it happened.
I was a 5th grader going to my social studies class, and all the teachers had this sad face. I nor anyone else had any idea why the teachers were upset. So we walked into the classroom, and my teacher told us all that we don`t need our books or anything, cause history was in the making, and she turned on the TV. Everyone was shocked in the room, and I started to cry in shock/sadness...
After school I came home and my mom was already home, for the fact that her work let them leave early due to the attacks. My mom was upset cause her best friend was in the tower, on the 34th floor. But at the time of the attacks, she was outside, in the courtyard smoking a cigarette. My mom was so great full, and I thought that it was the only time a cigarette could save someone. It was one of the most awful and horrific days of my life.
I will NEVER forget 9/11.
i mean seriously?
we are born, we live, we laugh, we populate, we are happy, and then we die and hopefuly the people we leave behind would enjoy there life as much as we do,
and furthermore heres something that IAB posted that might of touch us,
i say it good thing then teach the american that there not invincible but it still sad for people who l
People die. It just so happened SEVEN years ago, a bunch of people die.
They`re dead now. Hundreds of thousands more have died since then in car crashes, murders, old age, and freak accidents.
I mean, seriously, at this point SEVEN YEARS later we`re beating a dead horse.
Do all you people crawl out of the same hole? Because how someone cannot even show an ounce of respect to the thousands that died that day is beyond my comprehension. And they were not all American either, the victims came from nearly 100 countries. So no, this is not an "American tragedy", it is one that affected the entire globe.
I`mgoing to let you Americans cry it out.
NBut what I don`t understand is, how come you people don`t do these things for the Holocoust? To remember it?
I`ve been living in the Statesb for two years, and after all this stuff I hear about American patriotism, I fealt almost ashamed when there wasn;t any ceromony, any memporial.
I`m pretty sure even the high schools have the Nov. 11 memorial.
So...? Just hope US troops will be back home soon.
Male, 18-29, EuropeThursday, September 11, 2008 12:26:21 PM
Nice first post, Annie!
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And die for what cause exactly? Misconception, soldiers are not cannon flesh. Most of the country in the world use the army for humanitarian causes, not for war.
No the worst is that nobody can pretend to know why that day 2`793 humans lost their lifes...
Until then I didn`t realize how big this was and then the next day lots of paper was all over my streets. It was so in front of me, it was so scary.
Are you auctionning for the greatest pain? I am sorry but most of the people in the twins died quickly and (physically) painlessly.
What you are ranking is the emotionnal impact on the crowd. If tomorrow 3000 US soldier dies in Iraq in one assault, I bet peoples will be down the street asking for troops to come home. Over a couple of years, most of peoples wake up, go to work, and don`t even think about it.
Same pain, different emotional impact. Completely different concept.
thats the worst.
Not here to talk about `oil war` or `conspiracy` or anything.
You just think that the US (and eventually) the UK were impacted by the 9/11 -which is typical. And you are wrong.
This is why I say that today`s teenagers can`t understand what happened that day. More or less half of their life they have been told what happened, but have not much idea how it was before around the world.
No insult or offense there, you just can`t have a wide understanding of the world at 10-15 yo. Not to say especially in the US...
...I`m 16, and I remember watching it the day it happened. I also understand it started a war that we (by `we` I mean America and the UK) are still fighting, although now it seems our occupation is purely for oil.
And i aggree with you baternal that 9/11 gets "publicity" is because it was so much more visually traumatic.
In iraq, you dont hear about 2000 people losing thier lives in one go. You hear of one incedent today, and another the next. tsunami was a big deal, but so is every hurricane, tornato, earthquake, and avalanche that takes human life. Are we expected to mourn pompeii for the rest of our lives? And the london tube bombings killed 52 and 700 were injured. while horribly sad its just not on the same scale.
But as I said, 9/11 was visually traumatic. Nothing tugs at your heart quite like watching a steel building catch on fire, and collapse, crushing the civilians below, while others jump from impossible hights to escape the
Today`s teenager can`t understand what happened that day, neither how it changed the world forever - patriotism is a crowd control method using strong emotions to overcome reason.
Read, learn, never forget, keep questionning, don`t let anyone use your emotions.
I think this one was a HUGE moment, historically, however. It brought foreign terrorism to our doorstep, and thousands died as a result.
I don`t agree with the Iraq war. I want troops out, so that Iraqi people can rebuild, and hopefully survive. I cried over Myanmar this past year, because they deserved aid, they needed it, and their government let their people die in excruciating pain.
All in all, we can`t forget about them either. But that should NOT cast a shadow on the anniversary of the 9/11 attacks, either.
*You*, kiddies, can get over your egocentrism.
"but if anyone talks down about this they all stand in line together. as someone patriotic to his own country, its quite remarkable"
There are times when I would sooner secede from the Union and denounce my fellow countrymen than call them my equals. But it`s times like these that I stand in line with everyone else.
I can understand it was a tragedy, I can underatand that 2000 people lost their lives and I respect that. And I DO agree that there should be a commemoration.
So I totally understand all you Americans (in particular) - me being half american, I CAN underatand.
But the bit that gets me is that there are millions that DON`T get that remembrance.
-Those that died in the Asian Tsunami. I hear every year about 9/11 - but hardly anything about the tsunami, and FAR more people died!
-Those that ARE dying in Iraq. We all know it`s got p!ss to do with terrorism - the people dying haven`t done squat to America, and 99% of those people are innocents. Call them casualties of war, friendly fire, collateral damage - whatever - they still don`t deserve to die.
-On par... the WORLD hears about 9/11... but the same thing happened in the London tube - why aren`t they getting the same publicity?
And Chad, please heed GothicQueen`s advice. Thanks.
PostModern: watch the south park episode "Scott Tennorman Must Die" and take it into consideration
We should reflect more upon 9/11 as a changing point in history, a catalyst for so much carnage.
And it isn`t just Sepetmber 11th that makes me weep for the world but Rwanda, Vietnam, The holocaust, all of those events and more. The only reason Spetmber 11th just strikes a chord with me because I was old to understand what was going on (i was only 4 during the Rwanda Genocide) and I wasn`t even alive for the other 2. And the fact that I`ve been in logan airport many times, i`m from Boston, and just the fact it was so close to home...it`s just a different feeling.
Quite obviously we want out of Iraq 4000+ Americans alone not counting the countless amount of Iraqi citizens have died. Of course if your narrow minded thoughts weren`t worse than the country you accuse well than you may realize such things..
God forbid we mourn for something that happened in our country. As a matter of fact do you stop to mourn for the victims of these things?? It would seem not.
but if you ask when iraq war started or when the Rwandan Genocide started (without looking it up) they wouldn`t know.
I like how you assume you know how all Americans feel about those subjects. It shows your "epic" lack of intelligence.
(BTW, my grandmother`s family was tortured in germany when it was found out they might be harboring jewish fugitives. Do NOT start telling me I`m insensitive to the holocaust!)
...said the american
And now from me...I would like to wish the best for all the familys and friends of all the people who died that day and to all IAB ers who knew someone in that tradgedy...RIP to all those people...
And BTW not all canadians don`t care because some of us have family in the US and friends also who died...
It`s strange when you realize just how much of an impact you can get from something. (I`m canadian) It affected the entire world, and I do sometimes feel very angry when people start forgetting about what happened, or they become more arrogant about things (I`ve heard some people claim that no one would dare attack the mainland USA ever again). It makes me feel as though they`re disrespecting the thousands of people who lost their lives.
I know I`ll never forget. I shed a few tears every september 11th for that reason.
I remember watching some of this live at home before leaving for school - and then listening to local radio coverage on the bus on the way to school. The local radio station had someone watching the news and giving a narration of what he saw that mostly included a lot of "OMG! Look At That!" It is quite frustrating to have someone on the radio tellig you to look at something.
It was a starnge, sad day indeed... school was basically empty. Lots of things were closed.
It`s worth knowing that none of the "jumpers" were recorded as suicides, they were all forced out of the building by smoke and heat, they didn`t jump.
PostModern - Where do you live? I travel to Canada sometimes. I have something for you.
Glad you posted it, Fancy.