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to me, it`s more offensive though when adults (who are supposed to look at things more objectively and maturely) advertise ignorance like that. but maybe that`s just me.
And btw, dress code, has nothing to do with freedom of speech, and anyway..we have no freedom.
It is a presumption that by 09 Obama would allow terrorist into our country based on his ethnic back ground. Saying that because Obama has Arabic ties, he would allow Arabic Terrorists into our country, which if anyone did any research would argue that point instead of freedom of speech. Also, it directly ties to the video we watched about the child.
Don`t accuse me of the most ignorant things, without understanding rhetorics, sarcasm, and jokes. Your an idiot.
Actually...He was saying that Obama was a Terrorist`s best friend. He was showing possession....not attempting to make the word plural.
Either way, technically his rights were overlooked, but if the school is steadfast in saying that the political statement wasn`t the reason that he was suspended, then they can counter. However, it might be hard to convince a jury of that.
I do have to agree with the kid and his father. As far winged as they are.. the kid`s shirt doesn`t have anything worth of foul language or violence. In other words they had no right to remove the kid.
Finding the word "Terrorist" offensive? BULL poo. Terrorist TERRORIST! Anyone feel insulted? I didn`t think so.
It`s just a bunch of Obama supporters getting their panties in a bunch.
It would be fine if the kid`s shirt said "No thanks, Obama" or "Obama is not right for America" or any number of anti-Obama statements, but to make up idiototic slander is just wrong.
That would be like some kid wearing a shirt that said "McCain rapes babies in the ass!"
This is why conservatives are given a bad name, if you dislike Obama, or dissagree with his views that is fine, you have the right to your opinion, but people like this peice of poo make conservatives look bad by using made up shock-jock slander instead of intellegence and respect to get their point across.
The freedom of speech does NOT give you the right to use said speech in order to upset people in a public venue, like the sixth drating grade where the kids seeing the shirt can`t vote anyway.
Now, yes i agree that kid is just being a douche because his father is a douche. I also find it is no surprise that posters from the southern US all like "vote mccain!". Persoanlly neither candidate is good enough in my eyes and this year im not making the mistake of "voting for the lesser evil". This year i have a choice and i am voting for Barr. If you think the government is getting too big and controlling i urge you to hop over to lp.org and check them out. If you don`t want more wars, more big government, more government spending, if you want he patriot act overturned and the government to stop listening to your phone calls, then check out
Free, universal education is a truly amazing achievement which is taken for granted. I`m not saying we should grovel in thanks for the remainder of our days, but we shouldn`t forget what a privilege it is to have. To trample over the necessary rules which that privilege puts in place is to me symptomatic of an ingrate, spoiled brat society. I`m not bashing the US here, this is something I`ve seen all over the world. Everyone has a responsibility to represent themselves well instead of hiding behind a constitution.
As to whether I think that children ought to have the same rights - well yes, at home and in their general day-to-day lives, I do believe that children should have the same rights as adults, apart from those rights which are dependant on actually being an adult (the right to marry, join the army, vote etc).
However, when you join an institution (a school, a sports team, a company etc) you have to accept that those places necessarily have their own rules. If you want to stay with that institution and take on any benefits you get from it, you have to abide by their rules so long as your basic human rights are not affected.
CONT above (sorry for the massive reply)
If he`s a student in primary school, certainly not. Supreme Court cases have established students at that age are not guaranteed unconditional freedom of expression.
"Freedom of speech should really go hand-in-hand with the possession of enough intelligence to know when it`s appropriate to use it."
Very eloquently put, Vikstar, though I would still like to hear your opinion on whether student children have the same rights as adults.
If you worked in an office and you wore that T-Shirt to work, you`d probably be treated the same way as this kid - asked to change it or get a formal warning. If you turned up for a job interview wearing something like that, you`d probably not get the job. Freedom of speech should really go hand-in-hand with the possession of enough intelligence to know when it`s appropriate to use it.
The school isn`t repressing this kid - it`s preparing him for adult life. That`s what school is there for.
then after i saw the t-shirt.. wtf was he thinking!!!???
That`s a harsh message to put on a Tshirt. The kid could have just written "I support Obama 08!".
The fat lil drater should have just switched shirts. The school was in the right here. He thinks the 1st amendment protects his right to write anything he wants on a T-shirt and still be allowed to wear it in a public or privately owned place. It does not.
And yeah the kid got in trouble, because he was wearing a shirt that would cause conflict/trouble in school.
No 11 year-old in the world gives a crap about politics. I mean really, this kid doesn`t actually know who Obama is or what he represents.
Its obvious that his parents have been telling him what to think and say.
but saying obama is a terrorist`s friend is just retarded
freedom of speech does not include libel---in fact, libel is illegal.so is slander
the kid deserves suspension. and the father should be arrested for mistreatment of his son
im done now
I wouldn`t hold the fifth grader accountable. He is a drating fifth grader. The father completely instigated that boy to think that because he sniff`s mens taints.
And to clarify...i`m not a McCain supporter either. I`m undecided. So sway my opinion biatches
Ron Paul `08
An ad hominem argument, also known as argumentum ad hominem (Latin: "argument to the man", "argument against the man") consists of replying to an argument or factual claim by attacking or appealing to a characteristic or belief of the person making the argument or claim, rather than by addressing the substance of the argument or producing evidence against the claim. The process of proving or disproving the claim is thereby subverted, and the argumentum ad hominem works to change the subject.
"Apostrophes indicate contraction (it is = it`s) or possession (EXCEPT belonging to it = its). Singular words ending in s take the singular apostrophe where the extra syllable would be pronounced (James`s); otherwise, the plural apostrophe (Mephistopheles`)."
The kid deserved what he got... suspension. It seems fair. Perhaps also a punch in the face by an Obama-supporting classmate.
That`s because McCain is a jizzstain
NO MORE DRAMA-VOTE FOR OBAMA
I`ll stop now.
So... They hate us because we make our own rules and have the freedom to enforce them?
And he`s not 18, he doesn`t have freedom of speech yet.
It depends on who you get caught by. A nice teacher will just tell you to change your shirt, turn it inside out or put gym clothes over it.
A meaner teacher will call home, make you change clothes, give you three days of lunch detention in the ISS room, and then send you up to the front office to have a picture taken of whatever is wrong with your outfit and then put it in a file and if your caught wearing it again you get a referral, because then it is called "open defiance"
This incident was nothing more than the result of some hippie teacher getting sand up her vagina about the whole thing and getting her other teacher`s union friends to PMS about it as well.
the parents are the one who supported it.
On the other hand, i think it`s a bit ironic how the liberals are attacking a kid who is trying to express himself. what`s the world coming to.
So they should have executed him then?
I don`t know, maybe it`s just our school because it`s gone dress code crazy since we got a new principal.
It causes problems and arguments. If someone sees a shirt that says "Obama is a terrorist`s friend!" then it`s just going to start problems.
A girl at our school had a T-Shirt for the Twilight series that said "Team Edward" and she had to put a gym shirt over it because people were fighting about Team Edward or Team Jacob.
I only that he shouldn`t have wore it to school. Wear it to the grocery store, go for a walk in it, fine, but wearing a shirt like that to school is just asking for problems.
But, uh, IMO, I thik he should`ve gotten suspended....that`s just me.
And is anyone else wondering how his parents let him wear that to school?
he wouldnt have to worry about that anyways. he doesnt look like the "college" type
That`s what our student handbook says. I think that his shirt goes under "or any clothing which may be distracting"
simply calling obama a terrorist is only offensive to peoples opinions of him and public schools shouldn`t be taking political stances
and you do have to sign a code of conduct in new jersey by the end of the first month of school or else your suspended till you sign it
Tinker vs. Des Moines (students) "shed their constitutional rights when they enter the schoolhouse door."
He wasn`t just saying "Vote McCain" he was saying "Obama is a terrorist`s friend!" And that`s where you`ll get in trouble.
didnt they suspend him?
Thats where my problem is, the punishment doesnt fit the crime
I dont remember seeing the shirt saying that it was because it was Muslim. Seems like your making to big a jump
Can`t wear short skirts or plunging necklines because it is distracting.
If this kid made a t-shirt that said "Vote McCain! Obama Can`t Keep Us Safe", or something like that. Once you put "terrorist friend" on that shirt it becomes very distracting and not to mention very confusing to kids younger than 13.
There are other phrases which would`ve been okay, he picked a controversial one which got too much attention and they asked him to take if off, the end.
1) he made an extremely false statement. How is Obama a terrorists best friend?
2) This is an offensive shirt. Hes saying that anyone of Muslim origin is a terrorists best friend.
3) Hes a dumb redneck, and his dad is pro-life.
A bunch of ignorant people.
"I cared about politics in 5th grade."
then you`re one in a million, kid.
I cared about politics in 5th grade.
"1) You don`t offically have rights in till you are 18."
BS. So if I get arrested, Habeas Corpus is not followed.
"2) Most schools require you to sign a "Code of Conduct" that says you are not allowed to wear offensive clothing. You`re not allowed to go to public school if you don`t sign it."
I`ve never signed one of those. They forget quite quickly. Either way its not a week long suspension they give you for that in most cases. Punishment has to fit the crime.
Bullpoo.When a kid wore an anti-Bush shirt(or something else involving school) everyone here was celebrating.
Now as to what should`ve been done. Indoor CSI for 1 day, tell him to not wear it again. They violated freedom of speech
Schools don`t rely on democracy, it`s a privilege to attend.
"And whats up with all the more anti-obama postings lately?"
Would you rather it be full of anti-McCain postings instead?
i dont know. all i know is that kid is sort of a jerk.
Land of the free indeed.
Second, most schools have rules against wearing offensive clothing. And yes, calling someone a terrorist is offensive. The courts have said time and again that school officials CAN restrict the speach of their students. If this kids wants to wear this shirt outside of school, no problem, but within the confines of the school the school administration is the authority of what is and is not offensive.
the kid is a fifth grader, I think everyone is making too big a deal about it. He probably should be taught a lesson to not do it again (or let his father brainwash him), but its hardly press-worthy. Slow news day or just fox news?
2nd amendment, doesnt mean you are allowed a gun on a plane
My guess, however, is that he couldn`t spell "terrorist" or "Obama" without help from his father, and would rather have just sniffed the markers.
I dunno, that guy looks like he as about 8 minutes left of life in him all the time.
not that its really a bad thing...i mean, its pretty inappropriate for a 1st grader walking around with a "F*ck Bush" shirt his parents got him. this is the same thing.
god blesssss ammmerrriiicaaaaaa
So when I want to practice my own religion, a trial by jury, and to see a warrant when police enter my home, I`m just making stuff up?
LOL!!! That actually made my day! Thanks!!
Let me put it this way:
Politics = opinionSchool = fact
Mixing the two can be VERY detrimental to education.
*rolls up sleeves, wades in*
Yeah, I agree with just about everyone here. Obviously this isn`t the kid`s political views, it`s his parents`. This is no different than those crazy bastards over at Westboro Baptist Church who bring their 6-7 year old kids to their rallies to hold up signs saying "Fags must die".
This father is obviously (ab)using his own son as a mouthpiece for his own extreme political views. The kid shouldn`t be suspended, it`s not fair that he`s going to lose out because of someone else`s fault (his own dad).
I`m quite sure that`s his dad`s t-shirt, judging by the size. The father should be punished for being a such a wanker.
I`m thinking castration.
If the tea-shirt read "I THINK Obama is a terrorist`s best friend" then that would have been opinion, and had the school suspended him, that would have been wrong.
However, the shirt said "Obama a terrorist`s best friend", which is a statement. As it is a legally unproven statement that can cause damage or offence, it is - until proven true - a slanderous statement. In this case, the school did not impinge on the kid`s rights by telling him to remove the shirt, as he was committing slander.
Please, for the sake of the world, STFU!!!!!!!1!!!!!!1!!!!!!!one
but fer fook seck, "a terrorist best friend", bit too far
that is my view on that kid.. he got it taught by his father.. not by his own view
No matter what side of the political system you`re on, you`ll know this will cause either distraction or arguments, if not an all-out fight.
When they said "Patriotic", they most likely meant a flag or Red, white, and blue or something like that. To say this is not about politics is kind of...well, nutty.
And if some of the kids complained that they were offended by the word "terrorist", I think free speech is thrown out the window.
Not to mention that in 1974, the Supreme Court ruled that opinions could not be considered defamatory. Regardless of the statement being True or False, this shirt is certainly defamatory.
That`s one big t-shirt.
Somebody should show them this.
That turned me pro-obama.
*backs away slowly*