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182 Responses to 5th Grader Suspended For Anti-Obama T-Shirt

  1. Profile photo of LittleMissQT
    LittleMissQT Female 18-29
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    September 24, 2008 at 6:01 am
    Link: 5th Grader Suspended For Anti-Obama T-Shirt - Does the kid take his right of freedom of speech too far? Can you take that right too far?
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    Backfat Male 30-39
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    September 24, 2008 at 9:06 am
    elemtary school kids should not have any real political view, because they are too young to truly understand politics.
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    September 24, 2008 at 9:08 am
    Wow, this one`s a hot little potato, isn`t it? I think I`m gonna sit this one out...

    *backs away slowly*

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    modernbenoni Male 70 & Over
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    September 24, 2008 at 9:08 am
    LUL REDNEX?

    That`s one big t-shirt.

    Somebody should show them this.

    That turned me pro-obama.

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    frumgf Female 18-29
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    September 24, 2008 at 9:17 am
    I doubt that a kid in fifth grade has any real political views. I`m pretty sure any political beliefs he has are of his parents.
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    alik180 Female 18-29
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    September 24, 2008 at 9:19 am
    I agree with Backfat.
    This kid is in 5th grade. Most eleven-year-olds aren`t mature or intelligent enough to form a justified opinion about politics. This kid is going along with his father rather than doing the research himself, like any other kid would do.
    I wouldn`t have suspended the kid, but I can see how the word "terrorist" might be offensive to some people.
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    wcclark Male 18-29
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    September 24, 2008 at 9:20 am
    Freedom of speech isn`t exactly the same in school. You have different sets of rules to follow and often dress codes to maintain.

    No matter what side of the political system you`re on, you`ll know this will cause either distraction or arguments, if not an all-out fight.

    When they said "Patriotic", they most likely meant a flag or Red, white, and blue or something like that. To say this is not about politics is kind of...well, nutty.

    And if some of the kids complained that they were offended by the word "terrorist", I think free speech is thrown out the window.

    Not to mention that in 1974, the Supreme Court ruled that opinions could not be considered defamatory. Regardless of the statement being True or False, this shirt is certainly defamatory.

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    elHadji Male 70 & Over
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    September 24, 2008 at 9:21 am
    Wow, the shirt`s as big as a car.
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    deanmalenko Male 18-29
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    September 24, 2008 at 9:21 am
    I guess his father told him everything he needs to know in life.. so he told him obama is a terrorist and if he truly loves his father he should wear this...

    that is my view on that kid.. he got it taught by his father.. not by his own view

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    romboy Male 18-29
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    September 24, 2008 at 9:21 am
    It is a known fact that while you are in a public school (especially an elementary school) you do give up your right to wear certain clothes. All schools do have a dress code that you have you follow, otherwise risk being disciplined. Now if this happened in a college that`s a completely different ball game. I usually do not side with schools but on this one I think they did have the rights to suspend. It sounded like some students were offended, the school took action and gave the boy a choice, he made his decision. Rednecks.....
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    DaveyyBooy Male 18-29
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    September 24, 2008 at 9:24 am
    Lol this is bullpoo. Kids get suspended for inappropriate attire all the time. It has nothing to do with the political statement the father was using his kid as a billboard for, it had to do with the fact that it was inappropriate for an elementary school setting. If the shirt said "drat that anti-Obama kid`s dad." It too would have been considered offensive, regardless of how much everyone would have loved it.
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    paddyboom Male 13-17
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    September 24, 2008 at 9:24 am
    Freedom of speech is a made up conceptual right. There is no reason he should be allowed to wear that T-shirt, and also, please, for the sake of the world, vote Obama.
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    kikayoaka Male 70 & Over
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    September 24, 2008 at 9:28 am
    Please, for the sake of the world, vote McCain.
  14. Profile photo of LoofahBoy
    LoofahBoy Male 18-29
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    September 24, 2008 at 9:30 am
    Whatever.
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    keith2 Male 30-39
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    September 24, 2008 at 9:31 am
    Please, for the sake of the world, DO NOT vote McCain.
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    handeman77 Male 40-49
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    September 24, 2008 at 9:31 am
    Maybe the kid should wear a shirt that say`s McCain is not a terrorists best friend,,, see how far that one goes? As for a 5th grader not being able to have a veiw...? I am on the local school board, and I see young people with veiws all of the time, many of them different from their parents, and lots of them because their minds are not so walled off that the can actually look at things 2 ways.
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    bamababy Female 18-29
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    September 24, 2008 at 9:31 am
    i agree with kikayoaka vote McCain
  18. Profile photo of Discomonkey
    Discomonkey Male 13-17
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    September 24, 2008 at 9:32 am
    freedom of speech is a great thing there`s not enough of it,

    but fer fook seck, "a terrorist best friend", bit too far

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    Discomonkey Male 13-17
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    September 24, 2008 at 9:33 am
    well since we`re at it...

    Please, for the sake of the world, STFU!!!!!!!1!!!!!!1!!!!!!!one

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    fishyboy Male 30-39
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    September 24, 2008 at 9:33 am
    Really, it comes down to whether it is an opinion, or an intended statement of fact. If it is an opinion, then you have the freedom to express any opinion you wish. If it is intended as a statement of fact, then you have to be careful not to give false and damaging information, which is slander.

    If the tea-shirt read "I THINK Obama is a terrorist`s best friend" then that would have been opinion, and had the school suspended him, that would have been wrong.

    However, the shirt said "Obama a terrorist`s best friend", which is a statement. As it is a legally unproven statement that can cause damage or offence, it is - until proven true - a slanderous statement. In this case, the school did not impinge on the kid`s rights by telling him to remove the shirt, as he was committing slander.

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    davymid Male 30-39
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    September 24, 2008 at 9:36 am
    Aw, f*ck it, I changed my mind.

    *rolls up sleeves, wades in*

    Yeah, I agree with just about everyone here. Obviously this isn`t the kid`s political views, it`s his parents`. This is no different than those crazy bastards over at Westboro Baptist Church who bring their 6-7 year old kids to their rallies to hold up signs saying "Fags must die".

    This father is obviously (ab)using his own son as a mouthpiece for his own extreme political views. The kid shouldn`t be suspended, it`s not fair that he`s going to lose out because of someone else`s fault (his own dad).

    I`m quite sure that`s his dad`s t-shirt, judging by the size. The father should be punished for being a such a wanker.

    I`m thinking castration.

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    h0ax_d3m0n Male 18-29
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    September 24, 2008 at 9:36 am
    Holy crap, i see a war coming, run for the hills!
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    ConverseUK Male 18-29
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    September 24, 2008 at 9:37 am
    Political messages have their place.
    That place is not in a school.

    Let me put it this way:

    Politics = opinion
    School = fact

    Mixing the two can be VERY detrimental to education.

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    Jilana Female 13-17
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    September 24, 2008 at 9:38 am
    I hate it when Ron has the night off.
  25. Profile photo of ConverseUK
    ConverseUK Male 18-29
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    September 24, 2008 at 9:39 am
    "I hate it when Ron has the night off."

    LOL!!! That actually made my day! Thanks!!

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    h0ax_d3m0n Male 18-29
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    September 24, 2008 at 9:39 am
    by the way, i wont watch this for the sole reason that Ron has the night off, who on earth does this leland guy think he is, i want ron...im taking this all the way to the top!
  27. Profile photo of urbanlegend
    urbanlegend Male 18-29
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    September 24, 2008 at 9:42 am
    he`s his father`s puppet. and he`s going to grow up and vote.

    wow.

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    farquaadhnch Male 18-29
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    September 24, 2008 at 9:42 am
    "Freedom of speech is a made up conceptual right."

    So when I want to practice my own religion, a trial by jury, and to see a warrant when police enter my home, I`m just making stuff up?

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    SoBored729 Male 18-29
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    September 24, 2008 at 9:44 am
    Just freeze it when they first show the kid...tell me he doesnt look retarted. This is what happens when irresponsible, ignorant, stupid adults BREED. Notice she said the father was involved with some recent "Controversial" abortion protests...sounds like 1 of those guys that attacks women coming out of the clinics and he looks like a militia guy...cough cough former KKK cough cough. Dont you love how ppl are still unwilling to vote for this guy because of his skin color and his name..."His name sounds like Osama...he must be a dang gone terrrrorist, hey scooter...come put on this tshirt and wear it to that schoolin place you go everyday"

    god blesssss ammmerrriiicaaaaaa

  30. Profile photo of urbanlegend
    urbanlegend Male 18-29
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    September 24, 2008 at 9:46 am
    oh, and freedom of speech doesnt sit well in a public school. hell, if you can sign away your miranda rights, then they can take away your freedom of speech.

    not that its really a bad thing...i mean, its pretty inappropriate for a 1st grader walking around with a "F*ck Bush" shirt his parents got him. this is the same thing.

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    RyanF701 Male 18-29
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    September 24, 2008 at 9:55 am
    "
    Please, for the sake of the world, vote McCain."

    I dunno, that guy looks like he as about 8 minutes left of life in him all the time.

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    keith2 Male 30-39
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    September 24, 2008 at 9:57 am
    with everyone complaining about bush all day, if you`re voting mccain you`re obviously a racist. you`ve spent the last 8 years b*tching about bush, now you want bush II. me thinks its because you may not want another bush.. but you damn sure won`t vote for a black guy.
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    BruceLeroy Male 18-29
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    September 24, 2008 at 10:02 am
    Freedom of speech is open to subjective interpretation, as is everything. I believe it means you are free to say what you think...so long as you are actually thinking. If this kid can explain using facts and examples why he believes his shirt to be true then he deserves to wear it.

    My guess, however, is that he couldn`t spell "terrorist" or "Obama" without help from his father, and would rather have just sniffed the markers.

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    Pikaro Male 18-29
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    September 24, 2008 at 10:14 am
    Unfortunately the school has more rights than the child. The first amendment is grand, but doesn`t apply to children the same way it does to adults. I`ve been through a similar situation where I was suspended for wearing a t-shirt for a band whose logo used a looney tunes style bomb, and the school considered me a threat because of it. I was suspended, yet I had seen that morning that another student was wearing the exact same shirt and had zero consequences for it.
  35. Profile photo of tp12
    tp12 Male 13-17
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    September 24, 2008 at 10:16 am
    OMG, A IAB POLITICAL FLAMEWAR!! RUN!!!
  36. Profile photo of Aquaeous
    Aquaeous Male 18-29
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    September 24, 2008 at 10:19 am
    Reverse order flame war fun...
  37. Profile photo of B0R3DoM
    B0R3DoM Male 13-17
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    September 24, 2008 at 10:22 am
    BUduhUH... I don`t mean to sound like a communist but freedom of speach is a stupid idea...
  38. Profile photo of Rick_S
    Rick_S Male 40-49
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    September 24, 2008 at 10:22 am
    The school is in the right here.
    1) I bet is says right in their hand book that they can do this sort of thing.
    2) His rights were not trampled. He was given the choice to change the shirt or wear it inside out before being expelled. They didn`t force him to wear it, they just didn`t let him wear it there.
    3) If the stuff on the back was all that was on the shirt, and the word TERRORIST was not on it at all, I bet that he wouldn`t have had a problem.
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    cannibal151 Male 18-29
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    September 24, 2008 at 10:22 am
    Why would a hick care about getting suspended from school anyway?
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    AGit Male 30-39
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    September 24, 2008 at 10:41 am
    I`m surprised he didn`t write "terrorist`s goodest friend"...
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    chris1337 Male 13-17
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    September 24, 2008 at 10:52 am
    who would vote for obama bin ladin?
  42. Profile photo of domisgood
    domisgood Male 18-29
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    September 24, 2008 at 10:53 am
    freedom of speech blah blah, thats fine and dandy but the school has different rules.

    2nd amendment, doesnt mean you are allowed a gun on a plane

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    gance Male 18-29
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    September 24, 2008 at 11:02 am
    Honestly, I would normally be iffy about this, but not this case. They ask students to come in wearing patriotic stuff which is arguably political by its very nature, then when he wears something he thinks is patriotic they kick him out because they don`t like it. Yes, it was aggressive, yes they look like rednecks... but they are in the right here in my opinion. Any other day, maybe no, but because of the request the school made they don`t have a right to just claim "willful disobedience." That is a term used for a dog, and I`d be pissed as well and also fight against that if I could.
  44. Profile photo of smo
    smo Female 18-29
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    September 24, 2008 at 11:09 am
    What a weird child..blame the parents
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    Amaginer Male 18-29
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    September 24, 2008 at 11:11 am
    Hi, I`m new. I`ve been coming here for years and this link has finally prompted me to make an account.
    The kid unfortunetly is in the right here. Though some people find the t-shirt offensive that is not grounds for suspension. The shirt wasn`t obscene in anyway. It may have been ignorant, but it is our rights as Americans to be ignorant. Though I may want to lock up every member of the WBC I can`t. He has an opinion and he has a right to voice it.
    Also you can`t argue that his father forced him to were the shirt, because a majority of people`s political veiws are shaped by their parents.
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    Vagrant86 Male 18-29
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    September 24, 2008 at 11:12 am
    meh, i think the dad put the kid on.
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    geek_nimrod Female 18-29
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    September 24, 2008 at 11:13 am
    lol @ cannibal151
  48. Profile photo of kinbushi
    kinbushi Male 18-29
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    September 24, 2008 at 11:15 am
    Freedom of speech is great when it does not offend you.
  49. Profile photo of pvj2000
    pvj2000 Male 18-29
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    September 24, 2008 at 11:26 am
    Land of the free!
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    ambercooper Female 18-29
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    September 24, 2008 at 11:26 am
    I actually learned in my law class yesterday that you can say pretty much whatever the hell you want about politicians. As long as you believe what you`re saying is true you can`t be charged. As for kids calling people terrorists: whatever, kids opinions don`t matter much(if it is his to begin with)
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    jrm5016 Male 18-29
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    September 24, 2008 at 11:28 am
    I don`t think you understand, as a minor, you do not have the same rights as you do when you turn 18. It`s a simple point of fact that High School and younger aged students do not have the same rights, whether right or wrong. (I think it`s wrong that they have limited rights, but that`s me.)
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    smigbaafm Male 18-29
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    September 24, 2008 at 11:31 am
    bong hits for jesus anyone?

    the kid is a fifth grader, I think everyone is making too big a deal about it. He probably should be taught a lesson to not do it again (or let his father brainwash him), but its hardly press-worthy. Slow news day or just fox news?

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    Wundt Male 40-49
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    September 24, 2008 at 11:34 am
    First, was a surprise that this is a Fox station

    Second, most schools have rules against wearing offensive clothing. And yes, calling someone a terrorist is offensive. The courts have said time and again that school officials CAN restrict the speach of their students. If this kids wants to wear this shirt outside of school, no problem, but within the confines of the school the school administration is the authority of what is and is not offensive.

    Case closed.

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    jaybuck Male 18-29
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    September 24, 2008 at 12:07 pm
    Hey all I just felt that I had to post because many of you seem to be screwing up the law as it is applied in this case. Heres the thing I am a Law Student and specialize in Constitutional Rights. There is a case from the 60`s that some of you may remember called Tinker v. Des Moins (i actually happen to know ms. tinker and have pictures with her on my facebook if you need proof) The Supreme Court in that case stated that a student nor a teacher does not give up their rights when they pass through the school yard gates. This kid does have the right to wear a shirt that says something that some people do not agree with. Personally I think that this kids parents caused this problem because come on how many 5th graders care about politics. Just remember that freedom of speech is not meant to protect the speech you agree with but rather the speech you cannot stand. If you ever need a good lawyer feel free to hit me up.
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    Cheese84o6 Male 13-17
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    September 24, 2008 at 12:08 pm
    It wouldn`t be so bad if they weren`t complete hicks. But that isn`t exercising the first amendment, it is slander. Associating a presidential candidate with a terrorist is wrong and just plain rude. You know the school should be more conservative about this. They should kick the crap out of the little brat.
  56. Profile photo of Cheese84o6
    Cheese84o6 Male 13-17
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    September 24, 2008 at 12:09 pm
    Also, the father needs to stop brainwashing his kid. (He`ll get plenty of brainwashing at school).
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    AnneBonney Female 18-29
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    September 24, 2008 at 12:14 pm
    As a Colorado teacher, I know that districts all have different policies regarding free speech. Typically, schools can ask you to change for whatever reason they wish. It was true at my schools as a child, and is still true at the middle school I work at now. Regardless, my guess is the kid threw a fit when asked to turn his shirt inside out, spewing the same kind of nonsense that the dad was throwing to the camera; red-faced, hysterical and essentially uncontrollable. They caught the kid under this clause of their policies "A. continued willful disobedience or open and persistent defiance of proper authority". All of Aurora school policies are available at http://www.aps.k12.co.us/pol-reg/index.html.
  58. Profile photo of xxamsey
    xxamsey Female 18-29
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    September 24, 2008 at 12:14 pm
    Pro-Obama
    I`m not even American and I hope he wins. McCain is Bush`s clone.
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    rocknroll892 Male 18-29
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    September 24, 2008 at 12:16 pm
    He just basically used free speech to make an ass of himself. Whatever. Fox news blows.
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    xxamsey Female 18-29
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    September 24, 2008 at 12:17 pm
    And by the way, at my high school, we`re not allowed to wear any shirts that promote/demote religious views or political views and such.
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    Smashking Male 18-29
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    September 24, 2008 at 12:19 pm
    I would think if the kid wore the second shirt they showed, with Vote McCain, and a slash-through Obama, none of this would be happening. But the offensive claims on this shirt is what really caused it.
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    Rat5Rule Female 13-17
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    September 24, 2008 at 12:21 pm
    Terrorists`

    :D

    Land of the free indeed.

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    iambluebeard Male 30-39
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    September 24, 2008 at 12:22 pm
    wtg kid.....stick it 2 them. Once they control your speech, they control your thoughts. Then it gets scary. I don`t agree w/ everything people say, but guess what? That`s their right to say it.
  64. Profile photo of Rman1201
    Rman1201 Male 18-29
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    September 24, 2008 at 12:22 pm
    The bill of rights doesn`t exist in public schools. They can`t say or wear whatever they want, officials are allowed to search them randomly, they can`t bear arms, etc etc....And whats up with all the more anti-obama postings lately?
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    emzrok Female 13-17
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    September 24, 2008 at 12:28 pm
    the shirt was very offensive...and really, its not true. obviously obama isnt terrorists` best friend..? anyway, it was less of free speech and more of offensive, untruthful cruelty.

    i dont know. all i know is that kid is sort of a jerk.

  66. Profile photo of _Perfection_
    _Perfection_ Male 18-29
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    September 24, 2008 at 12:33 pm
    If you`re going to be against a certain politician, at least don`t be a moron about it.
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    ghostofme Male 18-29
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    September 24, 2008 at 12:41 pm
    "the shirt was very offensive...and really, its not true. obviously obama isnt terrorists` best friend..? anyway, it was less of free speech and more of offensive, untruthful cruelty.
    i dont know. all i know is that kid is sort of a jerk."
    Figures, if this was an anti-McCain t-shirt, everyone would be up in arms if the kid got in trouble for it, but since he`s against Obama, everyone feels that it is justified. Talk about double-standards.

    "And whats up with all the more anti-obama postings lately?"

    Would you rather it be full of anti-McCain postings instead?

  68. Profile photo of AndroidMetro
    AndroidMetro Male 18-29
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    September 24, 2008 at 12:48 pm
    That shirt was a piece of crap.

    Schools don`t rely on democracy, it`s a privilege to attend.

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    FxyRoxy777 Female 18-29
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    September 24, 2008 at 12:50 pm
    politics and religion... the weapons of mass destruction.. sigh.. i`m gonna go take a nap now. -_-
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    primetimekin Male 18-29
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    September 24, 2008 at 12:51 pm
    "Figures, if this was an anti-McCain t-shirt, everyone would be up in arms if the kid got in trouble for it, but since he`s against Obama, everyone feels that it is justified. Talk about double-standards."

    Bullpoo.
    When a kid wore an anti-Bush shirt(or something else involving school) everyone here was celebrating.


    Now as to what should`ve been done. Indoor CSI for 1 day, tell him to not wear it again. They violated freedom of speech

  71. Profile photo of shaboinkin
    shaboinkin Male 18-29
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    September 24, 2008 at 12:57 pm
    why would a 5th grade care about politics.
    They are just going to say what their parents say...
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    emzie322 Female 13-17
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    September 24, 2008 at 12:58 pm
    1) You don`t offically have rights in till you are 18.
    2) Most schools require you to sign a "Code of Conduct" that says you are not allowed to wear offensive clothing. You`re not allowed to go to public school if you don`t sign it.
    3)I shake my head at these ignorant people.
  73. Profile photo of primetimekin
    primetimekin Male 18-29
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    September 24, 2008 at 1:01 pm
    "why would a 5th grade care about politics."

    I cared about politics in 5th grade.

    "1) You don`t offically have rights in till you are 18."

    BS. So if I get arrested, Habeas Corpus is not followed.

    "2) Most schools require you to sign a "Code of Conduct" that says you are not allowed to wear offensive clothing. You`re not allowed to go to public school if you don`t sign it."

    I`ve never signed one of those. They forget quite quickly. Either way its not a week long suspension they give you for that in most cases. Punishment has to fit the crime.

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    Poreka Female 13-17
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    September 24, 2008 at 1:02 pm
    He did it for the lulz.
    But he failed, he failed so much I want to go into a corner and cry my eyes out, then have stray dogs eat my eyes.
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    urbanlegend Male 18-29
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    September 24, 2008 at 1:15 pm
    "who would vote for obama bin ladin?"

    i will.

    "I cared about politics in 5th grade."

    then you`re one in a million, kid.

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    AtomicSkier9 Male 18-29
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    September 24, 2008 at 1:19 pm
    This kid is moronic.

    1) he made an extremely false statement. How is Obama a terrorists best friend?

    2) This is an offensive shirt. Hes saying that anyone of Muslim origin is a terrorists best friend.

    3) Hes a dumb redneck, and his dad is pro-life.

    A bunch of ignorant people.

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    starrstreet Female 18-29
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    September 24, 2008 at 1:32 pm
    Listen, you sign the code of conduct when you go to school, its in the student`s handbook. When you sign that you give school to decide what they deem is a distraction in class.

    Can`t wear short skirts or plunging necklines because it is distracting.

    If this kid made a t-shirt that said "Vote McCain! Obama Can`t Keep Us Safe", or something like that. Once you put "terrorist friend" on that shirt it becomes very distracting and not to mention very confusing to kids younger than 13.

    There are other phrases which would`ve been okay, he picked a controversial one which got too much attention and they asked him to take if off, the end.

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    primetimekin Male 18-29
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    September 24, 2008 at 1:33 pm
    "2) This is an offensive shirt. Hes saying that anyone of Muslim origin is a terrorists best friend."

    I dont remember seeing the shirt saying that it was because it was Muslim. Seems like your making to big a jump

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    primetimekin Male 18-29
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    September 24, 2008 at 1:33 pm
    "they asked him to take if off, the end."

    didnt they suspend him?

    Thats where my problem is, the punishment doesnt fit the crime

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    TheSharpest Male 18-29
    1767 posts
    September 24, 2008 at 1:35 pm
    There is a line between freedom of speech and insulting lies. Clearly, the kid had no idea of that. He can wear an anti-Obama shirt, but not and OFFENSIVE anti-obama shirt.
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    Berberry Female 18-29
    161 posts
    September 24, 2008 at 1:38 pm
    that kid and his father are complete morons.
  82. Profile photo of PinkAndGreen
    PinkAndGreen Female 13-17
    917 posts
    September 24, 2008 at 1:43 pm
    I`m all for McCain and I have no problem telling anyone that, and I even wear a McCain T-Shirt to school sometimes, and I still think that the punishment is fair.

    He wasn`t just saying "Vote McCain" he was saying "Obama is a terrorist`s friend!" And that`s where you`ll get in trouble.

  83. Profile photo of basketkase
    basketkase Male 18-29
    1183 posts
    September 24, 2008 at 1:45 pm
    yeah im pretty sure you don`t have freedom of speech in school anyway, as said in

    Tinker vs. Des Moines
    (students) "shed their constitutional rights when they enter the schoolhouse door."

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    nerdybirdies Male 13-17
    42 posts
    September 24, 2008 at 1:45 pm
    Um how is that shirt patriotic doesnt patriotic mean something along the lines of something that appreciates are country or something?
  85. Profile photo of basketkase
    basketkase Male 18-29
    1183 posts
    September 24, 2008 at 1:47 pm
    but i dont see how the shirt is offensive

    simply calling obama a terrorist is only offensive to peoples opinions of him and public schools shouldn`t be taking political stances

    and you do have to sign a code of conduct in new jersey by the end of the first month of school or else your suspended till you sign it

  86. Profile photo of PinkAndGreen
    PinkAndGreen Female 13-17
    917 posts
    September 24, 2008 at 1:50 pm
    2. Halter tops, backless dresses or tops, spaghetti straps, tube tops, tank tops, muscle shirts, or any clothing which may be distracting, unless covered, at all times, by an appropriate outer garment.


    That`s what our student handbook says. I think that his shirt goes under "or any clothing which may be distracting"

  87. Profile photo of primetimekin
    primetimekin Male 18-29
    7935 posts
    September 24, 2008 at 1:51 pm
    Pink, what type of violation is that and what is the punishment goes for that violation
  88. Profile photo of urbanlegend
    urbanlegend Male 18-29
    741 posts
    September 24, 2008 at 1:53 pm
    anyways, its just a suspension. for a 5th grader. big deal. years from now, colleges arent going to look at him and say "he got suspended in 5th grade?! he`s a bad kid. dont accept him."

    he wouldnt have to worry about that anyways. he doesnt look like the "college" type

  89. Profile photo of yoimmylene
    yoimmylene Female 13-17
    2065 posts
    September 24, 2008 at 1:56 pm
    We barely have any constitutional rights when we`re in school, especially with the first amendment. This guy is what? 10? Why in the heck does he need to be wearng anti-anyone-or-anything shirts? ESPECIALLY politic-related things? Plus, it kinda has a harsh message. And to wear it in school.....absolutely WOW.

    But, uh, IMO, I thik he should`ve gotten suspended....that`s just me.

    And is anyone else wondering how his parents let him wear that to school?

  90. Profile photo of PinkAndGreen
    PinkAndGreen Female 13-17
    917 posts
    September 24, 2008 at 1:57 pm
    Distracting.

    I don`t know, maybe it`s just our school because it`s gone dress code crazy since we got a new principal.

    It causes problems and arguments. If someone sees a shirt that says "Obama is a terrorist`s friend!" then it`s just going to start problems.

    A girl at our school had a T-Shirt for the Twilight series that said "Team Edward" and she had to put a gym shirt over it because people were fighting about Team Edward or Team Jacob.

    I only that he shouldn`t have wore it to school. Wear it to the grocery store, go for a walk in it, fine, but wearing a shirt like that to school is just asking for problems.

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    Backfat Male 30-39
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    September 24, 2008 at 1:57 pm
    "Thats where my problem is, the punishment doesnt fit the crime"
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    So they should have executed him then?

  92. Profile photo of caboose117
    caboose117 Male 13-17
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    September 24, 2008 at 1:58 pm
    People who say "freedom of speech" in every other sentence piss me off. My parent`s employees complain about us koreans in our faces, and then yell freedom of speech. All that means is i can`t prosecute you, however, i can still kick you out of property for "emotional damages", and also, freedom of speech does not give freedom to infringe upon other`s rights.

    On the other hand, i think it`s a bit ironic how the liberals are attacking a kid who is trying to express himself. what`s the world coming to.

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    urbanlegend Male 18-29
    741 posts
    September 24, 2008 at 1:58 pm
    "And is anyone else wondering how his parents let him wear that to school?"

    the parents are the one who supported it.

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    pat125 Male 18-29
    756 posts
    September 24, 2008 at 2:08 pm
    Freedom of speech only exists in America if you have a certain set of beliefs. I guarantee a shirt against McCain would have been just fine. And I also guarantee that if the story was the same but in the opposite political direction, this story would have gotten a 1 point something from IAB users.

    This incident was nothing more than the result of some hippie teacher getting sand up her vagina about the whole thing and getting her other teacher`s union friends to PMS about it as well.

    What bullsh*t.

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    harrydick Male 18-29
    332 posts
    September 24, 2008 at 2:09 pm
    That kid probably doesn`t even know who Obama is, or care for that matter.
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    PinkAndGreen Female 13-17
    917 posts
    September 24, 2008 at 2:09 pm
    Sorry, read your question wrong.

    It depends on who you get caught by. A nice teacher will just tell you to change your shirt, turn it inside out or put gym clothes over it.

    A meaner teacher will call home, make you change clothes, give you three days of lunch detention in the ISS room, and then send you up to the front office to have a picture taken of whatever is wrong with your outfit and then put it in a file and if your caught wearing it again you get a referral, because then it is called "open defiance"

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    taitai Female 13-17
    63 posts
    September 24, 2008 at 2:14 pm
    okay i know there is freedom of speech and all but some americans seriously take it too far and take advantage of our freedom. if he wanted to wear an anti-obama shirt then he could`ve juss worn one with like an "X" or sumthing over his face, but wearing a shirt like this? seriously get real, this is a freaking 11 yr old and wearing a shirt like that to school is just not acceptable, freedom of speech or not. i wouldn`t let my kid out of the house wearing a shirt like that, it`s just too graphic and not only that it impleys a wrong message to the other kids in the school. if he wanted to express his views so much then he could`ve worn the shirt somewhere else, but wearing it in a school is just stupid. >_< what has this world come to?
  98. Profile photo of sixclaws13
    sixclaws13 Male 18-29
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    September 24, 2008 at 2:17 pm
    Ron Paul `08
  99. Profile photo of taitai
    taitai Female 13-17
    63 posts
    September 24, 2008 at 2:17 pm
    that`s why everyone hates americans, because so many of us are so arrogant and stupid and take everything too literlly. watching this video pisses me so much! ugh! >.<
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    TieDyePlatap Male 18-29
    75 posts
    September 24, 2008 at 2:26 pm
    I say the kid should go for it. I love Obama but that kid has the right to wear that shirt even if we don`t agree with it.
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    mrpopenfresh Male 18-29
    1036 posts
    September 24, 2008 at 2:57 pm
    Fifth grader, looks like this was imposed on the kid.
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    Kamarov Male 18-29
    91 posts
    September 24, 2008 at 2:58 pm
    I am starting to be embarassed to be an American if we are really making a big deal about someone`s opinion.
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    opiebreath Female 18-29
    15774 posts
    September 24, 2008 at 3:10 pm
    Regardless of any political themes, I think clothes that cause a distraction from the learning environment should not be allowed. For example, there was some case a while ago where a couple high school students wore peace bands on their arm to protest the Vietnam war. No distraction in class or between classes was reported, so the court ruled it constitutional to let them do that.

    And he`s not 18, he doesn`t have freedom of speech yet.

  104. Profile photo of tuxman4
    tuxman4 Male 13-17
    368 posts
    September 24, 2008 at 3:18 pm
    "that`s why everyone hates americans, because so many of us are so arrogant and stupid and take everything too literlly. watching this video pisses me so much! ugh! >.<"

    So... They hate us because we make our own rules and have the freedom to enforce them?

  105. Profile photo of kaechan
    kaechan Female 18-29
    122 posts
    September 24, 2008 at 3:32 pm
    I bet if it was a McCain shirt, it`d totally be different right?
  106. Profile photo of Chaos7
    Chaos7 Male 18-29
    849 posts
    September 24, 2008 at 3:36 pm
    What does a fifth grader know about politics? He`s trying to be on Tv.
  107. Profile photo of Luca85
    Luca85 Male 18-29
    24 posts
    September 24, 2008 at 3:45 pm
    It`s called a dress code. They do the exact same thing if you wear a shirt that has a beer logo, is that denying your free speech? Schools have rules. You can have your free speech anywhere else, but in school you have to follow the rules or you will get suspended. Seriously, is it that big a deal that you don`t get to wear your Anti-Obama shirt. Most 5th graders know absolutely nothing about Obama or McCain`s policy. Plus, why does he care. If he`s a 5th grader even if Obama was elected in 08, then reelected in 2012, this kid wouldn`t be a legal adult when Obama finished his presidency.
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    dixon323 Male 18-29
    203 posts
    September 24, 2008 at 3:53 pm
    yea, as opie said, unless you`re emancipated from your parents, (clearly this kid isn`t) you`ve gotta be 18 to have first amendment rights
  109. Profile photo of nodar
    nodar Male 18-29
    231 posts
    September 24, 2008 at 4:06 pm
    freedom of speech doesn`t apply to fat people
  110. Profile photo of Codmily
    Codmily Female 18-29
    360 posts
    September 24, 2008 at 4:08 pm
    Actually Luca, if you do the math, this kid it 11. 11+8=19 so he would be a legal adult when he FINISHED his presidency. However, I agree with the rest of your statement. I remember being told in middle school that freedom of speech does not qualify when you are at school.
  111. Profile photo of Monsdurr
    Monsdurr Male 13-17
    741 posts
    September 24, 2008 at 4:10 pm
    kaechan

    That`s because McCain is a jizzstain


    NO MORE DRAMA-VOTE FOR OBAMA


    kekeke

    I`ll stop now.

  112. Profile photo of LazyMe484
    LazyMe484 Male 18-29
    10441 posts
    September 24, 2008 at 4:21 pm
    When I saw the link I was for the kid, but then when I saw the actual shirt... And now I know the kid had no right to do that. Its not like the kid gives a damn anyway. Also, as dixon says, he needs to be 18 to have that sort of freedom so... the system works.

    The kid deserved what he got... suspension. It seems fair. Perhaps also a punch in the face by an Obama-supporting classmate.

  113. Profile photo of mooogandi
    mooogandi Male 13-17
    404 posts
    September 24, 2008 at 4:30 pm
    on another note he used the appostraphe in terrorists wrongly. APOSTROPHES ARE NEVER USED TO MAKE THINGS PLURAL...NEVER
  114. Profile photo of neilyo
    neilyo Male 18-29
    203 posts
    September 24, 2008 at 4:41 pm
    mooo, the apostraphe was used correctly, it was not to make it plural, it was to show posession: a terrorist`s best friend
  115. Profile photo of MechBFP
    MechBFP Male 18-29
    813 posts
    September 24, 2008 at 4:49 pm
    mooogandi actually yes they are in some rare cases when the word already ends in an s but you don`t pronounce the extra s.

    "Apostrophes indicate contraction (it is = it`s) or possession (EXCEPT belonging to it = its). Singular words ending in s take the singular apostrophe where the extra syllable would be pronounced (James`s); otherwise, the plural apostrophe (Mephistopheles`)."

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    Fartacus Female 50-59
    529 posts
    September 24, 2008 at 5:04 pm
    What a dumb kid. They should make him write an essay about the following:

    An ad hominem argument, also known as argumentum ad hominem (Latin: "argument to the man", "argument against the man") consists of replying to an argument or factual claim by attacking or appealing to a characteristic or belief of the person making the argument or claim, rather than by addressing the substance of the argument or producing evidence against the claim. The process of proving or disproving the claim is thereby subverted, and the argumentum ad hominem works to change the subject.

  117. Profile photo of Syris
    Syris Male 13-17
    219 posts
    September 24, 2008 at 5:25 pm
    `not about politics`
    `suspended for refusing to give up his right`
    wow
    just
    ...
    words fail me
    theres times for protesting against politicians like this kid but not in a classroom for the love of god.
  118. Profile photo of patthebaker
    patthebaker Male 18-29
    1768 posts
    September 24, 2008 at 5:30 pm
    PUNISH THE BASTERD WHO MADE HIM WEAR IT
  119. Profile photo of kenny_f
    kenny_f Male 13-17
    1825 posts
    September 24, 2008 at 5:38 pm
    it`s okay guys, both of them are fat, they will probably both die of painful heart attacks.
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    murph89 Male 18-29
    84 posts
    September 24, 2008 at 5:43 pm
    I could see a high school student doing this, but a 5th grader can`t be expected to understand the issue well enough to make his own decision, instead of just listen to his father`s opinion. Teaching kids extreme viewpoints like this does them no good. (I am slightly leaning McCain, so no political bias here).
  121. Profile photo of sixclaws13
    sixclaws13 Male 18-29
    2314 posts
    September 24, 2008 at 6:00 pm
    If he wore it on a normal day I could understand, but the school specifically told the kids to wear patriotic clothing that day. Who are they to tell the kids what is and is not patriotic?

    Ron Paul `08

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    evilempress1 Female 13-17
    416 posts
    September 24, 2008 at 6:37 pm
    The world just keeps getting stranger...
  123. Profile photo of Hungwell
    Hungwell Male 18-29
    410 posts
    September 24, 2008 at 6:48 pm
    I`m all for freedom of speech. But I do believe some people should not be allowed to voice there uneducated opinion. I`m not an obama supporter. But saying obama is a terrorist`s best friend is unwarranted and stupid.

    I wouldn`t hold the fifth grader accountable. He is a drating fifth grader. The father completely instigated that boy to think that because he sniff`s mens taints.


    And to clarify...i`m not a McCain supporter either. I`m undecided. So sway my opinion biatches

  124. Profile photo of AZz23AL
    AZz23AL Male 18-29
    2 posts
    September 24, 2008 at 7:03 pm
    Actually if you read all the things that they make u sign before u go into school, there is a part in which the goverment says that because, it is a government building, if you go inside, you have to follow thier rules and you give up your first amendment of speech. That`s why school newspaper can`t say what they really want to also. They have to say whatever the school allows them to say. The have the choice of not having to go thier so they choose to be thier. If they don`t like it then they can go to a private school. They aren`t breaking any right or anything at all. Seriously people don`t you read anything you sign?......
  125. Profile photo of DavioMagnifi
    DavioMagnifi Male 13-17
    600 posts
    September 24, 2008 at 7:06 pm
    he does have a point but that wasnt the brightest move
  126. Profile photo of elkingo
    elkingo Male 30-39
    5468 posts
    September 24, 2008 at 7:09 pm
    Obama 08
    Osama 09
  127. Profile photo of 3002-3038
    3002-3038 Female 18-29
    632 posts
    September 24, 2008 at 7:13 pm
    that kids not even old enough to know
    each representetive
  128. Profile photo of patthebaker
    patthebaker Male 18-29
    1768 posts
    September 24, 2008 at 7:21 pm
    "Obama 08
    Osama 09"
    Odama 10

  129. Profile photo of patthebaker
    patthebaker Male 18-29
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    September 24, 2008 at 7:24 pm
    Valdarama 11

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    patthebaker Male 18-29
    1768 posts
    September 24, 2008 at 7:25 pm
    futurama 12

    im done now

  131. Profile photo of iceman22
    iceman22 Male 18-29
    135 posts
    September 24, 2008 at 7:32 pm
    elkingo,patthebaker
    You two sound like idiots. For one presidential elections are held every FOUR years not every YEAR.
    And it would be kind of hard to elect a dead man president let alone a foreigner.
    It`s ignorance like that that makes All younge ppl look bad. Next time do some research before spouting random garbage onto our website.
    http://littlecountrylost.blogspot.com/20...
  132. Profile photo of patthebaker
    patthebaker Male 18-29
    1768 posts
    September 24, 2008 at 7:37 pm
    "elkingo,patthebaker
    You two sound like idiots. For one presidential elections are held every FOUR years not every YEAR.
    And it would be kind of hard to elect a dead man president let alone a foreigner.
    It`s ignorance like that that makes All younge ppl look bad. Next time do some research before spouting random garbage onto our website."
    That was a joke right, because ive met some idiots on the net before.
  133. Profile photo of gotoday
    gotoday Male 13-17
    107 posts
    September 24, 2008 at 8:00 pm
    stupid father, stupid kid...

    freedom of speech does not include libel---
    in fact, libel is illegal.
    so is slander

    the kid deserves suspension. and the father should be arrested for mistreatment of his son

  134. Profile photo of gotoday
    gotoday Male 13-17
    107 posts
    September 24, 2008 at 8:01 pm
    however, u can say mean things about politicians....

    but saying obama is a terrorist`s friend is just retarded

  135. Profile photo of Panicdevil23
    Panicdevil23 Female 13-17
    159 posts
    September 24, 2008 at 8:39 pm
    Of course this is on FOX news, *cough* McCain lovers *cough*
  136. Profile photo of bochamockado
    bochamockado Male 18-29
    580 posts
    September 24, 2008 at 8:52 pm
    What a load of crap.
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    YouNGCeSar Male 18-29
    1 post
    September 24, 2008 at 8:55 pm
    lol wow
  138. Profile photo of Overmann
    Overmann Male 18-29
    2600 posts
    September 24, 2008 at 8:56 pm
    A number of you (in fact quite a lot of you) seem to be missing the point that students in primary education do not have the same rights as adults, especially not when it comes to the freedom of speech or expression. If such expression disrupts class, or if such expression goes against the educational objectives of the school, then censorship is warranted. Spreading libel is definitely not educational, at least not in the sense that it opens one`s mind.
  139. Profile photo of Jezuzfreak40
    Jezuzfreak40 Male 13-17
    476 posts
    September 24, 2008 at 9:23 pm
    That is taking that a bit to far
  140. Profile photo of Cashcleaner
    Cashcleaner Male 18-29
    319 posts
    September 24, 2008 at 9:29 pm
    Ummm...

    No 11 year-old in the world gives a crap about politics. I mean really, this kid doesn`t actually know who Obama is or what he represents.

    Its obvious that his parents have been telling him what to think and say.

  141. Profile photo of buttersrules
    buttersrules Male 40-49
    398 posts
    September 24, 2008 at 9:52 pm
    It seems strange to me that so many of the people (not all, but some)in this thread that are outraged at the supposed violation of this kids right of speech/expression, are the same ones who blasted the silly cow that wore a tank top and shorts in court, and got jailled for contempt. Please explain how one is "standing up for their rights" and the other is "a stupid bitch".
  142. Profile photo of Grim-Reaper7
    Grim-Reaper7 Male 18-29
    51 posts
    September 24, 2008 at 10:20 pm
    i say the schools right and the kids wrong i mean he is a goddamn 5th grader they don`t need rights they`re not smart enough to know what there saying and what kind of effect it has on people
  143. Profile photo of TR-Wolf
    TR-Wolf Male 18-29
    1557 posts
    September 24, 2008 at 10:58 pm
    "Leland Vittert"... what kind of name is that? He sounds like he`s from Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion.

    And yeah the kid got in trouble, because he was wearing a shirt that would cause conflict/trouble in school.

  144. Profile photo of runroy
    runroy Male 18-29
    103 posts
    September 24, 2008 at 11:04 pm
    No surprise... It`s fox....
  145. Profile photo of vicious_liar
    vicious_liar Male 13-17
    1226 posts
    September 24, 2008 at 11:10 pm
    @buttersrules:
    The woman in court actually DIDN`T have a right to wear that inappropiate costume, and the kid here has a right for to express his opinion...so....
  146. Profile photo of BigWaFuu
    BigWaFuu Male 18-29
    1163 posts
    September 24, 2008 at 11:24 pm
    the Tshirt`s message is very aggressive. It can provoke and incite confrontation and anger from other students who flat out disagree with Obama being a terrorist. Its the same way that, despite the first amendment, you cant walk into school with a shirt that says "Evolutionists support satanism!" or "Nothing says lovin like jews in the oven!"

    That`s a harsh message to put on a Tshirt. The kid could have just written "I support Obama 08!".

    The fat lil drater should have just switched shirts. The school was in the right here. He thinks the 1st amendment protects his right to write anything he wants on a T-shirt and still be allowed to wear it in a public or privately owned place. It does not.

  147. Profile photo of buttersrules
    buttersrules Male 40-49
    398 posts
    September 25, 2008 at 12:20 am
    @vicious_liar:
    How are the two different? I don`t see that they are.
    OK, heres a hypothetical question, then. Lets say a kid goes to school with a t-shirt that says "9/11 - 2975 down, 300 million to go."
    Would the expression of that particular opinion still be guaranteed under free speech? And would people still be so eager to defend his right to wear it?
    Just because you have the right to do something doesn`t make it right to do it.
  148. Profile photo of nuggetkid
    nuggetkid Male 13-17
    8 posts
    September 25, 2008 at 2:25 am
    when i first saw the title.. my 1st reaction was like " wtf! so he doesn`t support obama so what?"

    then after i saw the t-shirt.. wtf was he thinking!!!???

  149. Profile photo of Bigbadwolf
    Bigbadwolf Male 18-29
    335 posts
    September 25, 2008 at 4:14 am
    That last sentence in the description... Is that a challenge? You`re on! Just... not anti-Obama... I like him. :P
    --BBW
  150. Profile photo of Vikstar
    Vikstar Female 18-29
    399 posts
    September 25, 2008 at 5:24 am
    Stepping aside from the debate on whether or not kids have the same rights as adults...

    If you worked in an office and you wore that T-Shirt to work, you`d probably be treated the same way as this kid - asked to change it or get a formal warning. If you turned up for a job interview wearing something like that, you`d probably not get the job. Freedom of speech should really go hand-in-hand with the possession of enough intelligence to know when it`s appropriate to use it.

    The school isn`t repressing this kid - it`s preparing him for adult life. That`s what school is there for.

  151. Profile photo of Overmann
    Overmann Male 18-29
    2600 posts
    September 25, 2008 at 6:01 am
    "`9/11 - 2975 down, 300 million to go.` Would the expression of that particular opinion still be guaranteed under free speech? And would people still be so eager to defend his right to wear it?"

    If he`s a student in primary school, certainly not. Supreme Court cases have established students at that age are not guaranteed unconditional freedom of expression.

    "Freedom of speech should really go hand-in-hand with the possession of enough intelligence to know when it`s appropriate to use it."

    Very eloquently put, Vikstar, though I would still like to hear your opinion on whether student children have the same rights as adults.

  152. Profile photo of Llamaz
    Llamaz Male 13-17
    339 posts
    September 25, 2008 at 6:08 am
    Technically, he is friends with a terrorist.(Bill Ayers)
  153. Profile photo of Vikstar
    Vikstar Female 18-29
    399 posts
    September 25, 2008 at 8:40 am
    Overmann - I am not qualified to answer your question as to whether children have the same rights as adults. I`m not a citizen of the US, much less an expert on her legal system.

    As to whether I think that children ought to have the same rights - well yes, at home and in their general day-to-day lives, I do believe that children should have the same rights as adults, apart from those rights which are dependant on actually being an adult (the right to marry, join the army, vote etc).

    However, when you join an institution (a school, a sports team, a company etc) you have to accept that those places necessarily have their own rules. If you want to stay with that institution and take on any benefits you get from it, you have to abide by their rules so long as your basic human rights are not affected.

    CONT above (sorry for the massive reply)

  154. Profile photo of Vikstar
    Vikstar Female 18-29
    399 posts
    September 25, 2008 at 8:48 am
    I do not believe that an 11 year old possesses the judgement necessary to make the statement on his T-Shirt. I believe that his parents ought to take responsibility for his rule-breaking, instead of howling about and hiding behind their rights. I think the wrong person was punished in this matter, and I think that in the lack of decent parenting, the school needs to take on that role and explain to the kid exactly what was wrong with his shirt.

    Free, universal education is a truly amazing achievement which is taken for granted. I`m not saying we should grovel in thanks for the remainder of our days, but we shouldn`t forget what a privilege it is to have. To trample over the necessary rules which that privilege puts in place is to me symptomatic of an ingrate, spoiled brat society. I`m not bashing the US here, this is something I`ve seen all over the world. Everyone has a responsibility to represent themselves well instead of hiding behind a constitution.

  155. Profile photo of itsallfake
    itsallfake Male 30-39
    474 posts
    September 25, 2008 at 9:04 am
    Bah, i hate coming in late on these topics, but i need to point something out that most of you may not be aware of. The sad an unfortunate reality is that as great as the constitution is, it does not apply to minors. Courts turn down or dismiss just about every case where a minor`s constitutional rights are violated. That`s because even though it isn`t written anywhere, politicians and law makers do not benefit from minors in any way. That is why schools tend to get by with anything they want. Someone says "i hate principle skinner" and that kid gets suspended and they use a zero-tollerance rule to hide behind to do it. In some cases you can say "well with all the school shootings and kids who go crazy and exact revenge and blah blah blah, they are just trying to prevent blah blah blah..." But most schools arent in that sort of danger, and use those examples as an opportunity to practice dictatorship.
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    itsallfake Male 30-39
    474 posts
    September 25, 2008 at 9:16 am
    I`ve said for a long time that there needs to be a group to protect children`s rights. I have always said that kids deserve the same constitutional rights that adults do. I believe that if you are born in this country, you are protected from the moment you are born. I don`t think your rights should kick in when you hit 18.

    Now, yes i agree that kid is just being a douche because his father is a douche. I also find it is no surprise that posters from the southern US all like "vote mccain!". Persoanlly neither candidate is good enough in my eyes and this year im not making the mistake of "voting for the lesser evil". This year i have a choice and i am voting for Barr. If you think the government is getting too big and controlling i urge you to hop over to lp.org and check them out. If you don`t want more wars, more big government, more government spending, if you want he patriot act overturned and the government to stop listening to your phone calls, then check out

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    maneaterx3 Female 13-17
    488 posts
    September 25, 2008 at 1:08 pm
    fox news. what garbage.
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    mandapanda28 Female 13-17
    112 posts
    September 25, 2008 at 2:49 pm
    i was just about to say that maneater!
    that poor kid. it`s such a shame to be brainwashed.
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    gorgack2000 Male 13-17
    4682 posts
    September 25, 2008 at 3:49 pm
    No, that kid deserved what was coming to him. Wearing a T-shirt like that would be classed as racism over here, and it`s presumably the same in the states.
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    josieflo Female 18-29
    145 posts
    September 25, 2008 at 3:53 pm
    He doesn`t have a right, he is under 18 =P
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    airsofter1 Male 18-29
    1090 posts
    September 25, 2008 at 5:28 pm
    "fox news. what garbage." Colorado, what a gay state. mind you if this was in tenessesse this wouldn`t of happened. some teacher probably freaked out like most coloradodians would and sent him to the principle. most teachers are democrats and whether you agree with the shirt or not he has free speech and no crap school board has the right to take that away from him. btw, agreed itsallfake i don`t like this years candidates but i don`t like what ur proposing either sorry. and children do deserve right maybe at the age of 10... i its hilarious u can join the army and kill other human beings before you can have a beer.
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    airsofter1 Male 18-29
    1090 posts
    September 25, 2008 at 5:31 pm
    @overmann yes that is a shirt i would defend the right to wear but i would kill the man who wore it with my own two hands. i know a few 100million people that might agree with me on that point.
    AMERICA F_UCK YEAH!
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    airsofter1 Male 18-29
    1090 posts
    September 25, 2008 at 5:33 pm
    and no overmann you don`t have to be smart to be guarenteed free speech. all u have to be is american. u r wrong on every point
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    usaf_pms_06 Male 18-29
    12 posts
    September 25, 2008 at 5:56 pm
    Ok well airsofter1 first off California is a gay state, and Boulder is the gay city in Colorado. Being that I am from colorado and have lived all around this great country i have to say shut the hell up about Colorado, secondly I have served two tours in Iraq and am set to go to Balad the October 26...so where I am getting is that everyone regardless of age has the right to free speech; however in this case i belive the kids dad probably pushed him into this. And Josieflo keep your mouth shut your from Canada, its like Americas little brother nobody wants around and could really care less what happens to it.
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    soigieoto Male 13-17
    234 posts
    September 25, 2008 at 6:02 pm
    wow lol he has free speech but the school haz a right to say any thing is not appropriate


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    splurbyburbl Male 30-39
    2798 posts
    September 25, 2008 at 6:46 pm
    The boy and his Father are flat wrong... period. I hate Obama with a passion believe me, but the school is not the forum for any of your petty protests... it is a place of education. There was no infringment on any freedoms here... he didn`t have that freedom of that particular expression because it infringed on others` freedom to not be distracted with that t-shirt. You can`t yell fire in a theatre... you can`t yell "terrorist" in a nice, quiet classroom either. (even though it`s on a shirt.. you know it draws attention when attention should be on the studies at hand)
  167. Profile photo of FatCam
    FatCam Male 18-29
    45 posts
    September 25, 2008 at 6:53 pm
    they`re showing the shirt on tv. so i think people in school could see it on tv again. wtf
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    kittyloaf Male 18-29
    213 posts
    September 25, 2008 at 7:48 pm
    The school is right. They cant block free speech, but they can block disturbances of a learning environment, and it seems like the shirt caused quite the disturbance. Plus, its supposed to be Patriotic day, do they think its patriotic to wear such a shirt?!
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    trashcan678 Male 13-17
    361 posts
    September 25, 2008 at 8:15 pm
    that kid sounded like he was saying something his dad told him to say... so much for "free speech" :)
    BTW his dad kinda looked like trash
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    BoredomSux98 Female 18-29
    268 posts
    September 25, 2008 at 9:17 pm
    wow. that was a total disturbance. they completely had the right to tell him no.
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    ZenGen Male 18-29
    16 posts
    September 25, 2008 at 10:40 pm
    This is not about free speech. Free speech is fine, and if you don`t like Obama then fine, share your views, but slander is wrong.

    It would be fine if the kid`s shirt said "No thanks, Obama" or "Obama is not right for America" or any number of anti-Obama statements, but to make up idiototic slander is just wrong.

    That would be like some kid wearing a shirt that said "McCain rapes babies in the ass!"

    This is why conservatives are given a bad name, if you dislike Obama, or dissagree with his views that is fine, you have the right to your opinion, but people like this peice of poo make conservatives look bad by using made up shock-jock slander instead of intellegence and respect to get their point across.

    The freedom of speech does NOT give you the right to use said speech in order to upset people in a public venue, like the sixth drating grade where the kids seeing the shirt can`t vote anyway.

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    Eichenkatze Male 18-29
    780 posts
    September 26, 2008 at 12:12 am
    Wow. I live in Aurora and didn`t hear about this. Interesting.
    Wait- But what school is it...?

    I do have to agree with the kid and his father. As far winged as they are.. the kid`s shirt doesn`t have anything worth of foul language or violence. In other words they had no right to remove the kid.

    Finding the word "Terrorist" offensive? BULL poo. Terrorist TERRORIST! Anyone feel insulted? I didn`t think so.

    It`s just a bunch of Obama supporters getting their panties in a bunch.

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    mooogandi Male 13-17
    404 posts
    September 26, 2008 at 11:53 am
    on another note he used the appostraphe in terrorists wrongly. APOSTROPHES ARE NEVER USED TO MAKE THINGS PLURAL...NEVER
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    Ally88 Female 18-29
    2 posts
    September 26, 2008 at 11:26 pm
    Get used to it stupid rich white kid. Schools have dress codes. And why should anyone give a sh*t about his political opinion? He`s only 11. He can`t vote (thank god).
  175. Profile photo of CoyoteSama
    CoyoteSama Male 18-29
    5 posts
    September 27, 2008 at 2:39 am
    on another note he used the appostraphe in terrorists wrongly. APOSTROPHES ARE NEVER USED TO MAKE THINGS PLURAL...NEVER

    ----------------------------------------------------

    Actually...He was saying that Obama was a Terrorist`s best friend. He was showing possession....not attempting to make the word plural.

    Either way, technically his rights were overlooked, but if the school is steadfast in saying that the political statement wasn`t the reason that he was suspended, then they can counter. However, it might be hard to convince a jury of that.

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    hawkeye52 Male 13-17
    60 posts
    September 27, 2008 at 1:47 pm
    ZenGen is right. I don`t care much for either candidate, but slander is wrong. And second, if a school has a dress code, you follow it. What`s next, claiming that a school`s dress code is a violation of free speech? Or that a uniform for an athletic team violates this freedom as well?
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    dragonshadoz Female 18-29
    4031 posts
    September 27, 2008 at 5:07 pm
    I wonder if that kid even knows anything about politics.
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    hampoofegg Male 18-29
    337 posts
    September 27, 2008 at 8:38 pm
    Actually, when you walk into a federal building, some of your rights are given up. So freedom of speech doesn`t me poo in a public school. Second, if it is meant to offend or mock someone, and can cause violent protest, then it can be taken into consideration.
  179. Profile photo of elkingo
    elkingo Male 30-39
    5468 posts
    September 28, 2008 at 10:02 am
    iceman look up rhetoric
    if you even come back here..
    I didn`t insinuate that there would be an election in 09
    ..
    good lord whats the point in talking through this one...

    It is a presumption that by 09 Obama would allow terrorist into our country based on his ethnic back ground. Saying that because Obama has Arabic ties, he would allow Arabic Terrorists into our country, which if anyone did any research would argue that point instead of freedom of speech. Also, it directly ties to the video we watched about the child.

    Don`t accuse me of the most ignorant things, without understanding rhetorics, sarcasm, and jokes. Your an idiot.

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    syke2 Male 13-17
    29 posts
    September 30, 2008 at 2:46 pm
    omfg ron had the night off...what is this world coming too..
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    fillemorte Female 18-29
    741 posts
    September 30, 2008 at 9:14 pm
    This is funny, being as everyone knows Bush`s family WAS friends with " the terrorists". These conservatives need to get the facts straight.


    And btw, dress code, has nothing to do with freedom of speech, and anyway..we have no freedom.

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    samidoll Female 18-29
    615 posts
    October 11, 2008 at 2:12 pm
    i think the line is crossed with free speech when its a disturbance to other children in a school. especially when the kid doesn`t seem old enough to realize the implication of his actions.

    to me, it`s more offensive though when adults (who are supposed to look at things more objectively and maturely) advertise ignorance like that. but maybe that`s just me.

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