5th Grader Suspended For Anti-Obama T-Shirt

Submitted by: littlemissqt 9 years ago in

Does the kid take his right of freedom of speech too far? Can you take that right too far?
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Female 614
i think the line is crossed with free speech when its a disturbance to other children in a school. especially when the kid doesn`t seem old enough to realize the implication of his actions.

to me, it`s more offensive though when adults (who are supposed to look at things more objectively and maturely) advertise ignorance like that. but maybe that`s just me.

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Female 741
This is funny, being as everyone knows Bush`s family WAS friends with " the terrorists". These conservatives need to get the facts straight.


And btw, dress code, has nothing to do with freedom of speech, and anyway..we have no freedom.

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Male 29
omfg ron had the night off...what is this world coming too..
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Male 5,620
iceman look up rhetoric
if you even come back here..
I didn`t insinuate that there would be an election in 09
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good lord whats the point in talking through this one...

It is a presumption that by 09 Obama would allow terrorist into our country based on his ethnic back ground. Saying that because Obama has Arabic ties, he would allow Arabic Terrorists into our country, which if anyone did any research would argue that point instead of freedom of speech. Also, it directly ties to the video we watched about the child.

Don`t accuse me of the most ignorant things, without understanding rhetorics, sarcasm, and jokes. Your an idiot.

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Male 337
Actually, when you walk into a federal building, some of your rights are given up. So freedom of speech doesn`t me poo in a public school. Second, if it is meant to offend or mock someone, and can cause violent protest, then it can be taken into consideration.
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Female 4,028
I wonder if that kid even knows anything about politics.
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Male 60
ZenGen is right. I don`t care much for either candidate, but slander is wrong. And second, if a school has a dress code, you follow it. What`s next, claiming that a school`s dress code is a violation of free speech? Or that a uniform for an athletic team violates this freedom as well?
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Male 5
on another note he used the appostraphe in terrorists wrongly. APOSTROPHES ARE NEVER USED TO MAKE THINGS PLURAL...NEVER

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Actually...He was saying that Obama was a Terrorist`s best friend. He was showing possession....not attempting to make the word plural.

Either way, technically his rights were overlooked, but if the school is steadfast in saying that the political statement wasn`t the reason that he was suspended, then they can counter. However, it might be hard to convince a jury of that.

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Female 2
Get used to it stupid rich white kid. Schools have dress codes. And why should anyone give a sh*t about his political opinion? He`s only 11. He can`t vote (thank god).
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Male 404
on another note he used the appostraphe in terrorists wrongly. APOSTROPHES ARE NEVER USED TO MAKE THINGS PLURAL...NEVER
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Male 778
Wow. I live in Aurora and didn`t hear about this. Interesting.
Wait- But what school is it...?

I do have to agree with the kid and his father. As far winged as they are.. the kid`s shirt doesn`t have anything worth of foul language or violence. In other words they had no right to remove the kid.

Finding the word "Terrorist" offensive? BULL poo. Terrorist TERRORIST! Anyone feel insulted? I didn`t think so.

It`s just a bunch of Obama supporters getting their panties in a bunch.

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Male 16
This is not about free speech. Free speech is fine, and if you don`t like Obama then fine, share your views, but slander is wrong.

It would be fine if the kid`s shirt said "No thanks, Obama" or "Obama is not right for America" or any number of anti-Obama statements, but to make up idiototic slander is just wrong.

That would be like some kid wearing a shirt that said "McCain rapes babies in the ass!"

This is why conservatives are given a bad name, if you dislike Obama, or dissagree with his views that is fine, you have the right to your opinion, but people like this peice of poo make conservatives look bad by using made up shock-jock slander instead of intellegence and respect to get their point across.

The freedom of speech does NOT give you the right to use said speech in order to upset people in a public venue, like the sixth drating grade where the kids seeing the shirt can`t vote anyway.

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Female 268
wow. that was a total disturbance. they completely had the right to tell him no.
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Male 361
that kid sounded like he was saying something his dad told him to say... so much for "free speech" :)
BTW his dad kinda looked like trash
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Male 213
The school is right. They cant block free speech, but they can block disturbances of a learning environment, and it seems like the shirt caused quite the disturbance. Plus, its supposed to be Patriotic day, do they think its patriotic to wear such a shirt?!
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Male 45
they`re showing the shirt on tv. so i think people in school could see it on tv again. wtf
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Male 2,796
The boy and his Father are flat wrong... period. I hate Obama with a passion believe me, but the school is not the forum for any of your petty protests... it is a place of education. There was no infringment on any freedoms here... he didn`t have that freedom of that particular expression because it infringed on others` freedom to not be distracted with that t-shirt. You can`t yell fire in a theatre... you can`t yell "terrorist" in a nice, quiet classroom either. (even though it`s on a shirt.. you know it draws attention when attention should be on the studies at hand)
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Male 234
wow lol he has free speech but the school haz a right to say any thing is not appropriate


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Male 12
Ok well airsofter1 first off California is a gay state, and Boulder is the gay city in Colorado. Being that I am from colorado and have lived all around this great country i have to say shut the hell up about Colorado, secondly I have served two tours in Iraq and am set to go to Balad the October 26...so where I am getting is that everyone regardless of age has the right to free speech; however in this case i belive the kids dad probably pushed him into this. And Josieflo keep your mouth shut your from Canada, its like Americas little brother nobody wants around and could really care less what happens to it.
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Male 1,089
and no overmann you don`t have to be smart to be guarenteed free speech. all u have to be is american. u r wrong on every point
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Male 1,089
@overmann yes that is a shirt i would defend the right to wear but i would kill the man who wore it with my own two hands. i know a few 100million people that might agree with me on that point.
AMERICA F_UCK YEAH!
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Male 1,089
"fox news. what garbage." Colorado, what a gay state. mind you if this was in tenessesse this wouldn`t of happened. some teacher probably freaked out like most coloradodians would and sent him to the principle. most teachers are democrats and whether you agree with the shirt or not he has free speech and no crap school board has the right to take that away from him. btw, agreed itsallfake i don`t like this years candidates but i don`t like what ur proposing either sorry. and children do deserve right maybe at the age of 10... i its hilarious u can join the army and kill other human beings before you can have a beer.
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Female 145
He doesn`t have a right, he is under 18 =P
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Male 4,680
No, that kid deserved what was coming to him. Wearing a T-shirt like that would be classed as racism over here, and it`s presumably the same in the states.
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Female 112
i was just about to say that maneater!
that poor kid. it`s such a shame to be brainwashed.
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Female 488
fox news. what garbage.
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Male 474
I`ve said for a long time that there needs to be a group to protect children`s rights. I have always said that kids deserve the same constitutional rights that adults do. I believe that if you are born in this country, you are protected from the moment you are born. I don`t think your rights should kick in when you hit 18.

Now, yes i agree that kid is just being a douche because his father is a douche. I also find it is no surprise that posters from the southern US all like "vote mccain!". Persoanlly neither candidate is good enough in my eyes and this year im not making the mistake of "voting for the lesser evil". This year i have a choice and i am voting for Barr. If you think the government is getting too big and controlling i urge you to hop over to lp.org and check them out. If you don`t want more wars, more big government, more government spending, if you want he patriot act overturned and the government to stop listening to your phone calls, then check out

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Male 474
Bah, i hate coming in late on these topics, but i need to point something out that most of you may not be aware of. The sad an unfortunate reality is that as great as the constitution is, it does not apply to minors. Courts turn down or dismiss just about every case where a minor`s constitutional rights are violated. That`s because even though it isn`t written anywhere, politicians and law makers do not benefit from minors in any way. That is why schools tend to get by with anything they want. Someone says "i hate principle skinner" and that kid gets suspended and they use a zero-tollerance rule to hide behind to do it. In some cases you can say "well with all the school shootings and kids who go crazy and exact revenge and blah blah blah, they are just trying to prevent blah blah blah..." But most schools arent in that sort of danger, and use those examples as an opportunity to practice dictatorship.
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Female 399
I do not believe that an 11 year old possesses the judgement necessary to make the statement on his T-Shirt. I believe that his parents ought to take responsibility for his rule-breaking, instead of howling about and hiding behind their rights. I think the wrong person was punished in this matter, and I think that in the lack of decent parenting, the school needs to take on that role and explain to the kid exactly what was wrong with his shirt.

Free, universal education is a truly amazing achievement which is taken for granted. I`m not saying we should grovel in thanks for the remainder of our days, but we shouldn`t forget what a privilege it is to have. To trample over the necessary rules which that privilege puts in place is to me symptomatic of an ingrate, spoiled brat society. I`m not bashing the US here, this is something I`ve seen all over the world. Everyone has a responsibility to represent themselves well instead of hiding behind a constitution.

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Female 399
Overmann - I am not qualified to answer your question as to whether children have the same rights as adults. I`m not a citizen of the US, much less an expert on her legal system.

As to whether I think that children ought to have the same rights - well yes, at home and in their general day-to-day lives, I do believe that children should have the same rights as adults, apart from those rights which are dependant on actually being an adult (the right to marry, join the army, vote etc).

However, when you join an institution (a school, a sports team, a company etc) you have to accept that those places necessarily have their own rules. If you want to stay with that institution and take on any benefits you get from it, you have to abide by their rules so long as your basic human rights are not affected.

CONT above (sorry for the massive reply)

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Male 338
Technically, he is friends with a terrorist.(Bill Ayers)
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Male 2,605
"`9/11 - 2975 down, 300 million to go.` Would the expression of that particular opinion still be guaranteed under free speech? And would people still be so eager to defend his right to wear it?"

If he`s a student in primary school, certainly not. Supreme Court cases have established students at that age are not guaranteed unconditional freedom of expression.

"Freedom of speech should really go hand-in-hand with the possession of enough intelligence to know when it`s appropriate to use it."

Very eloquently put, Vikstar, though I would still like to hear your opinion on whether student children have the same rights as adults.

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Female 399
Stepping aside from the debate on whether or not kids have the same rights as adults...

If you worked in an office and you wore that T-Shirt to work, you`d probably be treated the same way as this kid - asked to change it or get a formal warning. If you turned up for a job interview wearing something like that, you`d probably not get the job. Freedom of speech should really go hand-in-hand with the possession of enough intelligence to know when it`s appropriate to use it.

The school isn`t repressing this kid - it`s preparing him for adult life. That`s what school is there for.

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Male 335
That last sentence in the description... Is that a challenge? You`re on! Just... not anti-Obama... I like him. :P
--BBW
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Male 8
when i first saw the title.. my 1st reaction was like " wtf! so he doesn`t support obama so what?"

then after i saw the t-shirt.. wtf was he thinking!!!???

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Male 1,049
@vicious_liar:
How are the two different? I don`t see that they are.
OK, heres a hypothetical question, then. Lets say a kid goes to school with a t-shirt that says "9/11 - 2975 down, 300 million to go."
Would the expression of that particular opinion still be guaranteed under free speech? And would people still be so eager to defend his right to wear it?
Just because you have the right to do something doesn`t make it right to do it.
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Male 1,162
the Tshirt`s message is very aggressive. It can provoke and incite confrontation and anger from other students who flat out disagree with Obama being a terrorist. Its the same way that, despite the first amendment, you cant walk into school with a shirt that says "Evolutionists support satanism!" or "Nothing says lovin like jews in the oven!"

That`s a harsh message to put on a Tshirt. The kid could have just written "I support Obama 08!".

The fat lil drater should have just switched shirts. The school was in the right here. He thinks the 1st amendment protects his right to write anything he wants on a T-shirt and still be allowed to wear it in a public or privately owned place. It does not.

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Male 1,226
@buttersrules:
The woman in court actually DIDN`T have a right to wear that inappropiate costume, and the kid here has a right for to express his opinion...so....
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Male 103
No surprise... It`s fox....
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Male 1,557
"Leland Vittert"... what kind of name is that? He sounds like he`s from Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion.

And yeah the kid got in trouble, because he was wearing a shirt that would cause conflict/trouble in school.

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Male 51
i say the schools right and the kids wrong i mean he is a goddamn 5th grader they don`t need rights they`re not smart enough to know what there saying and what kind of effect it has on people
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Male 1,049
It seems strange to me that so many of the people (not all, but some)in this thread that are outraged at the supposed violation of this kids right of speech/expression, are the same ones who blasted the silly cow that wore a tank top and shorts in court, and got jailled for contempt. Please explain how one is "standing up for their rights" and the other is "a stupid bitch".
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Male 319
Ummm...

No 11 year-old in the world gives a crap about politics. I mean really, this kid doesn`t actually know who Obama is or what he represents.

Its obvious that his parents have been telling him what to think and say.

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Male 476
That is taking that a bit to far
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Male 2,605
A number of you (in fact quite a lot of you) seem to be missing the point that students in primary education do not have the same rights as adults, especially not when it comes to the freedom of speech or expression. If such expression disrupts class, or if such expression goes against the educational objectives of the school, then censorship is warranted. Spreading libel is definitely not educational, at least not in the sense that it opens one`s mind.
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Male 1
lol wow
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Male 580
What a load of crap.
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Female 159
Of course this is on FOX news, *cough* McCain lovers *cough*
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Male 107
however, u can say mean things about politicians....

but saying obama is a terrorist`s friend is just retarded

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Male 107
stupid father, stupid kid...

freedom of speech does not include libel---
in fact, libel is illegal.
so is slander

the kid deserves suspension. and the father should be arrested for mistreatment of his son

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Male 1,766
"elkingo,patthebaker
You two sound like idiots. For one presidential elections are held every FOUR years not every YEAR.
And it would be kind of hard to elect a dead man president let alone a foreigner.
It`s ignorance like that that makes All younge ppl look bad. Next time do some research before spouting random garbage onto our website."
That was a joke right, because ive met some idiots on the net before.
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Male 135
elkingo,patthebaker
You two sound like idiots. For one presidential elections are held every FOUR years not every YEAR.
And it would be kind of hard to elect a dead man president let alone a foreigner.
It`s ignorance like that that makes All younge ppl look bad. Next time do some research before spouting random garbage onto our website.
http://littlecountrylost.blogspot.com/20...
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Male 1,766
futurama 12

im done now

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Male 1,766
Valdarama 11

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Male 1,766
"Obama 08
Osama 09"
Odama 10

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Female 631
that kids not even old enough to know
each representetive
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Male 5,620
Obama 08
Osama 09
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Male 599
he does have a point but that wasnt the brightest move
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Male 2
Actually if you read all the things that they make u sign before u go into school, there is a part in which the goverment says that because, it is a government building, if you go inside, you have to follow thier rules and you give up your first amendment of speech. That`s why school newspaper can`t say what they really want to also. They have to say whatever the school allows them to say. The have the choice of not having to go thier so they choose to be thier. If they don`t like it then they can go to a private school. They aren`t breaking any right or anything at all. Seriously people don`t you read anything you sign?......
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Male 410
I`m all for freedom of speech. But I do believe some people should not be allowed to voice there uneducated opinion. I`m not an obama supporter. But saying obama is a terrorist`s best friend is unwarranted and stupid.

I wouldn`t hold the fifth grader accountable. He is a drating fifth grader. The father completely instigated that boy to think that because he sniff`s mens taints.


And to clarify...i`m not a McCain supporter either. I`m undecided. So sway my opinion biatches

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Female 416
The world just keeps getting stranger...
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Male 2,313
If he wore it on a normal day I could understand, but the school specifically told the kids to wear patriotic clothing that day. Who are they to tell the kids what is and is not patriotic?

Ron Paul `08

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Male 83
I could see a high school student doing this, but a 5th grader can`t be expected to understand the issue well enough to make his own decision, instead of just listen to his father`s opinion. Teaching kids extreme viewpoints like this does them no good. (I am slightly leaning McCain, so no political bias here).
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Male 1,825
it`s okay guys, both of them are fat, they will probably both die of painful heart attacks.
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Male 1,766
PUNISH THE BASTERD WHO MADE HIM WEAR IT
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Male 219
`not about politics`
`suspended for refusing to give up his right`
wow
just
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words fail me
theres times for protesting against politicians like this kid but not in a classroom for the love of god.
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Female 529
What a dumb kid. They should make him write an essay about the following:

An ad hominem argument, also known as argumentum ad hominem (Latin: "argument to the man", "argument against the man") consists of replying to an argument or factual claim by attacking or appealing to a characteristic or belief of the person making the argument or claim, rather than by addressing the substance of the argument or producing evidence against the claim. The process of proving or disproving the claim is thereby subverted, and the argumentum ad hominem works to change the subject.

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Male 813
mooogandi actually yes they are in some rare cases when the word already ends in an s but you don`t pronounce the extra s.

"Apostrophes indicate contraction (it is = it`s) or possession (EXCEPT belonging to it = its). Singular words ending in s take the singular apostrophe where the extra syllable would be pronounced (James`s); otherwise, the plural apostrophe (Mephistopheles`)."

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Male 203
mooo, the apostraphe was used correctly, it was not to make it plural, it was to show posession: a terrorist`s best friend
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Male 404
on another note he used the appostraphe in terrorists wrongly. APOSTROPHES ARE NEVER USED TO MAKE THINGS PLURAL...NEVER
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Male 10,440
When I saw the link I was for the kid, but then when I saw the actual shirt... And now I know the kid had no right to do that. Its not like the kid gives a damn anyway. Also, as dixon says, he needs to be 18 to have that sort of freedom so... the system works.

The kid deserved what he got... suspension. It seems fair. Perhaps also a punch in the face by an Obama-supporting classmate.

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Male 741
kaechan

That`s because McCain is a jizzstain


NO MORE DRAMA-VOTE FOR OBAMA


kekeke

I`ll stop now.

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Female 360
Actually Luca, if you do the math, this kid it 11. 11+8=19 so he would be a legal adult when he FINISHED his presidency. However, I agree with the rest of your statement. I remember being told in middle school that freedom of speech does not qualify when you are at school.
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Male 231
freedom of speech doesn`t apply to fat people
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Male 203
yea, as opie said, unless you`re emancipated from your parents, (clearly this kid isn`t) you`ve gotta be 18 to have first amendment rights
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Male 23
It`s called a dress code. They do the exact same thing if you wear a shirt that has a beer logo, is that denying your free speech? Schools have rules. You can have your free speech anywhere else, but in school you have to follow the rules or you will get suspended. Seriously, is it that big a deal that you don`t get to wear your Anti-Obama shirt. Most 5th graders know absolutely nothing about Obama or McCain`s policy. Plus, why does he care. If he`s a 5th grader even if Obama was elected in 08, then reelected in 2012, this kid wouldn`t be a legal adult when Obama finished his presidency.
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Male 848
What does a fifth grader know about politics? He`s trying to be on Tv.
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Female 122
I bet if it was a McCain shirt, it`d totally be different right?
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Male 367
"that`s why everyone hates americans, because so many of us are so arrogant and stupid and take everything too literlly. watching this video pisses me so much! ugh! >.<"

So... They hate us because we make our own rules and have the freedom to enforce them?

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Female 15,763
Regardless of any political themes, I think clothes that cause a distraction from the learning environment should not be allowed. For example, there was some case a while ago where a couple high school students wore peace bands on their arm to protest the Vietnam war. No distraction in class or between classes was reported, so the court ruled it constitutional to let them do that.

And he`s not 18, he doesn`t have freedom of speech yet.

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Male 91
I am starting to be embarassed to be an American if we are really making a big deal about someone`s opinion.
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Male 1,036
Fifth grader, looks like this was imposed on the kid.
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Male 75
I say the kid should go for it. I love Obama but that kid has the right to wear that shirt even if we don`t agree with it.
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Female 62
that`s why everyone hates americans, because so many of us are so arrogant and stupid and take everything too literlly. watching this video pisses me so much! ugh! >.<
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Male 2,313
Ron Paul `08
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Female 62
okay i know there is freedom of speech and all but some americans seriously take it too far and take advantage of our freedom. if he wanted to wear an anti-obama shirt then he could`ve juss worn one with like an "X" or sumthing over his face, but wearing a shirt like this? seriously get real, this is a freaking 11 yr old and wearing a shirt like that to school is just not acceptable, freedom of speech or not. i wouldn`t let my kid out of the house wearing a shirt like that, it`s just too graphic and not only that it impleys a wrong message to the other kids in the school. if he wanted to express his views so much then he could`ve worn the shirt somewhere else, but wearing it in a school is just stupid. >_< what has this world come to?
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Female 917
Sorry, read your question wrong.

It depends on who you get caught by. A nice teacher will just tell you to change your shirt, turn it inside out or put gym clothes over it.

A meaner teacher will call home, make you change clothes, give you three days of lunch detention in the ISS room, and then send you up to the front office to have a picture taken of whatever is wrong with your outfit and then put it in a file and if your caught wearing it again you get a referral, because then it is called "open defiance"

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Male 332
That kid probably doesn`t even know who Obama is, or care for that matter.
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Male 756
Freedom of speech only exists in America if you have a certain set of beliefs. I guarantee a shirt against McCain would have been just fine. And I also guarantee that if the story was the same but in the opposite political direction, this story would have gotten a 1 point something from IAB users.

This incident was nothing more than the result of some hippie teacher getting sand up her vagina about the whole thing and getting her other teacher`s union friends to PMS about it as well.

What bullsh*t.

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Male 740
"And is anyone else wondering how his parents let him wear that to school?"

the parents are the one who supported it.

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Male 1,204
People who say "freedom of speech" in every other sentence piss me off. My parent`s employees complain about us koreans in our faces, and then yell freedom of speech. All that means is i can`t prosecute you, however, i can still kick you out of property for "emotional damages", and also, freedom of speech does not give freedom to infringe upon other`s rights.

On the other hand, i think it`s a bit ironic how the liberals are attacking a kid who is trying to express himself. what`s the world coming to.

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Male 1,894
"Thats where my problem is, the punishment doesnt fit the crime"
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

So they should have executed him then?

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Female 917
Distracting.

I don`t know, maybe it`s just our school because it`s gone dress code crazy since we got a new principal.

It causes problems and arguments. If someone sees a shirt that says "Obama is a terrorist`s friend!" then it`s just going to start problems.

A girl at our school had a T-Shirt for the Twilight series that said "Team Edward" and she had to put a gym shirt over it because people were fighting about Team Edward or Team Jacob.

I only that he shouldn`t have wore it to school. Wear it to the grocery store, go for a walk in it, fine, but wearing a shirt like that to school is just asking for problems.

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Female 2,064
We barely have any constitutional rights when we`re in school, especially with the first amendment. This guy is what? 10? Why in the heck does he need to be wearng anti-anyone-or-anything shirts? ESPECIALLY politic-related things? Plus, it kinda has a harsh message. And to wear it in school.....absolutely WOW.

But, uh, IMO, I thik he should`ve gotten suspended....that`s just me.

And is anyone else wondering how his parents let him wear that to school?

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Male 740
anyways, its just a suspension. for a 5th grader. big deal. years from now, colleges arent going to look at him and say "he got suspended in 5th grade?! he`s a bad kid. dont accept him."

he wouldnt have to worry about that anyways. he doesnt look like the "college" type

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Male 7,933
Pink, what type of violation is that and what is the punishment goes for that violation
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Female 917
2. Halter tops, backless dresses or tops, spaghetti straps, tube tops, tank tops, muscle shirts, or any clothing which may be distracting, unless covered, at all times, by an appropriate outer garment.


That`s what our student handbook says. I think that his shirt goes under "or any clothing which may be distracting"

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Male 1,182
but i dont see how the shirt is offensive

simply calling obama a terrorist is only offensive to peoples opinions of him and public schools shouldn`t be taking political stances

and you do have to sign a code of conduct in new jersey by the end of the first month of school or else your suspended till you sign it

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Male 42
Um how is that shirt patriotic doesnt patriotic mean something along the lines of something that appreciates are country or something?
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Male 1,182
yeah im pretty sure you don`t have freedom of speech in school anyway, as said in

Tinker vs. Des Moines
(students) "shed their constitutional rights when they enter the schoolhouse door."

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Female 917
I`m all for McCain and I have no problem telling anyone that, and I even wear a McCain T-Shirt to school sometimes, and I still think that the punishment is fair.

He wasn`t just saying "Vote McCain" he was saying "Obama is a terrorist`s friend!" And that`s where you`ll get in trouble.

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Female 161
that kid and his father are complete morons.
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Male 1,764
There is a line between freedom of speech and insulting lies. Clearly, the kid had no idea of that. He can wear an anti-Obama shirt, but not and OFFENSIVE anti-obama shirt.
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Male 7,933
"they asked him to take if off, the end."

didnt they suspend him?

Thats where my problem is, the punishment doesnt fit the crime

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Male 7,933
"2) This is an offensive shirt. Hes saying that anyone of Muslim origin is a terrorists best friend."

I dont remember seeing the shirt saying that it was because it was Muslim. Seems like your making to big a jump

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Female 400
Listen, you sign the code of conduct when you go to school, its in the student`s handbook. When you sign that you give school to decide what they deem is a distraction in class.

Can`t wear short skirts or plunging necklines because it is distracting.

If this kid made a t-shirt that said "Vote McCain! Obama Can`t Keep Us Safe", or something like that. Once you put "terrorist friend" on that shirt it becomes very distracting and not to mention very confusing to kids younger than 13.

There are other phrases which would`ve been okay, he picked a controversial one which got too much attention and they asked him to take if off, the end.

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Male 1,085
This kid is moronic.

1) he made an extremely false statement. How is Obama a terrorists best friend?

2) This is an offensive shirt. Hes saying that anyone of Muslim origin is a terrorists best friend.

3) Hes a dumb redneck, and his dad is pro-life.

A bunch of ignorant people.

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Male 740
"who would vote for obama bin ladin?"

i will.

"I cared about politics in 5th grade."

then you`re one in a million, kid.

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Female 710
He did it for the lulz.
But he failed, he failed so much I want to go into a corner and cry my eyes out, then have stray dogs eat my eyes.
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Male 7,933
"why would a 5th grade care about politics."

I cared about politics in 5th grade.

"1) You don`t offically have rights in till you are 18."

BS. So if I get arrested, Habeas Corpus is not followed.

"2) Most schools require you to sign a "Code of Conduct" that says you are not allowed to wear offensive clothing. You`re not allowed to go to public school if you don`t sign it."

I`ve never signed one of those. They forget quite quickly. Either way its not a week long suspension they give you for that in most cases. Punishment has to fit the crime.

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Female 84
1) You don`t offically have rights in till you are 18.
2) Most schools require you to sign a "Code of Conduct" that says you are not allowed to wear offensive clothing. You`re not allowed to go to public school if you don`t sign it.
3)I shake my head at these ignorant people.
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Male 456
why would a 5th grade care about politics.
They are just going to say what their parents say...
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Male 7,933
"Figures, if this was an anti-McCain t-shirt, everyone would be up in arms if the kid got in trouble for it, but since he`s against Obama, everyone feels that it is justified. Talk about double-standards."

Bullpoo.
When a kid wore an anti-Bush shirt(or something else involving school) everyone here was celebrating.


Now as to what should`ve been done. Indoor CSI for 1 day, tell him to not wear it again. They violated freedom of speech

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Female 652
politics and religion... the weapons of mass destruction.. sigh.. i`m gonna go take a nap now. -_-
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Male 807
That shirt was a piece of crap.

Schools don`t rely on democracy, it`s a privilege to attend.

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Male 516
"the shirt was very offensive...and really, its not true. obviously obama isnt terrorists` best friend..? anyway, it was less of free speech and more of offensive, untruthful cruelty.
i dont know. all i know is that kid is sort of a jerk."
Figures, if this was an anti-McCain t-shirt, everyone would be up in arms if the kid got in trouble for it, but since he`s against Obama, everyone feels that it is justified. Talk about double-standards.

"And whats up with all the more anti-obama postings lately?"

Would you rather it be full of anti-McCain postings instead?

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Male 1,788
If you`re going to be against a certain politician, at least don`t be a moron about it.
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Female 1,306
the shirt was very offensive...and really, its not true. obviously obama isnt terrorists` best friend..? anyway, it was less of free speech and more of offensive, untruthful cruelty.

i dont know. all i know is that kid is sort of a jerk.

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Male 246
The bill of rights doesn`t exist in public schools. They can`t say or wear whatever they want, officials are allowed to search them randomly, they can`t bear arms, etc etc....And whats up with all the more anti-obama postings lately?
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Male 337
wtg kid.....stick it 2 them. Once they control your speech, they control your thoughts. Then it gets scary. I don`t agree w/ everything people say, but guess what? That`s their right to say it.
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Female 929
[Edit] Terrorists`

:D

Land of the free indeed.

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Male 772
I would think if the kid wore the second shirt they showed, with Vote McCain, and a slash-through Obama, none of this would be happening. But the offensive claims on this shirt is what really caused it.
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Female 857
And by the way, at my high school, we`re not allowed to wear any shirts that promote/demote religious views or political views and such.
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Male 31
He just basically used free speech to make an ass of himself. Whatever. Fox news blows.
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Female 857
Pro-Obama
I`m not even American and I hope he wins. McCain is Bush`s clone.
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Female 107
As a Colorado teacher, I know that districts all have different policies regarding free speech. Typically, schools can ask you to change for whatever reason they wish. It was true at my schools as a child, and is still true at the middle school I work at now. Regardless, my guess is the kid threw a fit when asked to turn his shirt inside out, spewing the same kind of nonsense that the dad was throwing to the camera; red-faced, hysterical and essentially uncontrollable. They caught the kid under this clause of their policies "A. continued willful disobedience or open and persistent defiance of proper authority". All of Aurora school policies are available at http://www.aps.k12.co.us/pol-reg/index.html.
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Male 394
Also, the father needs to stop brainwashing his kid. (He`ll get plenty of brainwashing at school).
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Male 394
It wouldn`t be so bad if they weren`t complete hicks. But that isn`t exercising the first amendment, it is slander. Associating a presidential candidate with a terrorist is wrong and just plain rude. You know the school should be more conservative about this. They should kick the crap out of the little brat.
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Male 1
Hey all I just felt that I had to post because many of you seem to be screwing up the law as it is applied in this case. Heres the thing I am a Law Student and specialize in Constitutional Rights. There is a case from the 60`s that some of you may remember called Tinker v. Des Moins (i actually happen to know ms. tinker and have pictures with her on my facebook if you need proof) The Supreme Court in that case stated that a student nor a teacher does not give up their rights when they pass through the school yard gates. This kid does have the right to wear a shirt that says something that some people do not agree with. Personally I think that this kids parents caused this problem because come on how many 5th graders care about politics. Just remember that freedom of speech is not meant to protect the speech you agree with but rather the speech you cannot stand. If you ever need a good lawyer feel free to hit me up.
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Male 409
First, was a surprise that this is a Fox station

Second, most schools have rules against wearing offensive clothing. And yes, calling someone a terrorist is offensive. The courts have said time and again that school officials CAN restrict the speach of their students. If this kids wants to wear this shirt outside of school, no problem, but within the confines of the school the school administration is the authority of what is and is not offensive.

Case closed.

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Male 648
bong hits for jesus anyone?

the kid is a fifth grader, I think everyone is making too big a deal about it. He probably should be taught a lesson to not do it again (or let his father brainwash him), but its hardly press-worthy. Slow news day or just fox news?

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Male 74
I don`t think you understand, as a minor, you do not have the same rights as you do when you turn 18. It`s a simple point of fact that High School and younger aged students do not have the same rights, whether right or wrong. (I think it`s wrong that they have limited rights, but that`s me.)
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Female 308
I actually learned in my law class yesterday that you can say pretty much whatever the hell you want about politicians. As long as you believe what you`re saying is true you can`t be charged. As for kids calling people terrorists: whatever, kids opinions don`t matter much(if it is his to begin with)
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Male 59
Land of the free!
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Male 47
Freedom of speech is great when it does not offend you.
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Female 370
lol @ cannibal151
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Male 2,553
meh, i think the dad put the kid on.
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Male 8
Hi, I`m new. I`ve been coming here for years and this link has finally prompted me to make an account.
The kid unfortunetly is in the right here. Though some people find the t-shirt offensive that is not grounds for suspension. The shirt wasn`t obscene in anyway. It may have been ignorant, but it is our rights as Americans to be ignorant. Though I may want to lock up every member of the WBC I can`t. He has an opinion and he has a right to voice it.
Also you can`t argue that his father forced him to were the shirt, because a majority of people`s political veiws are shaped by their parents.
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Female 351
What a weird child..blame the parents
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Male 68
Honestly, I would normally be iffy about this, but not this case. They ask students to come in wearing patriotic stuff which is arguably political by its very nature, then when he wears something he thinks is patriotic they kick him out because they don`t like it. Yes, it was aggressive, yes they look like rednecks... but they are in the right here in my opinion. Any other day, maybe no, but because of the request the school made they don`t have a right to just claim "willful disobedience." That is a term used for a dog, and I`d be pissed as well and also fight against that if I could.
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Male 4,867
freedom of speech blah blah, thats fine and dandy but the school has different rules.

2nd amendment, doesnt mean you are allowed a gun on a plane

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Male 180
who would vote for obama bin ladin?
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Male 995
I`m surprised he didn`t write "terrorist`s goodest friend"...
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Male 1,550
Why would a hick care about getting suspended from school anyway?
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Male 3,332
The school is in the right here.
1) I bet is says right in their hand book that they can do this sort of thing.
2) His rights were not trampled. He was given the choice to change the shirt or wear it inside out before being expelled. They didn`t force him to wear it, they just didn`t let him wear it there.
3) If the stuff on the back was all that was on the shirt, and the word TERRORIST was not on it at all, I bet that he wouldn`t have had a problem.
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Male 169
BUduhUH... I don`t mean to sound like a communist but freedom of speach is a stupid idea...
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Male 425
Reverse order flame war fun...
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Male 107
OMG, A IAB POLITICAL FLAMEWAR!! RUN!!!
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Male 64
Unfortunately the school has more rights than the child. The first amendment is grand, but doesn`t apply to children the same way it does to adults. I`ve been through a similar situation where I was suspended for wearing a t-shirt for a band whose logo used a looney tunes style bomb, and the school considered me a threat because of it. I was suspended, yet I had seen that morning that another student was wearing the exact same shirt and had zero consequences for it.
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Male 123
Freedom of speech is open to subjective interpretation, as is everything. I believe it means you are free to say what you think...so long as you are actually thinking. If this kid can explain using facts and examples why he believes his shirt to be true then he deserves to wear it.

My guess, however, is that he couldn`t spell "terrorist" or "Obama" without help from his father, and would rather have just sniffed the markers.

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Male 2,591
with everyone complaining about bush all day, if you`re voting mccain you`re obviously a racist. you`ve spent the last 8 years b*tching about bush, now you want bush II. me thinks its because you may not want another bush.. but you damn sure won`t vote for a black guy.
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Male 2,486
"
Please, for the sake of the world, vote McCain."

I dunno, that guy looks like he as about 8 minutes left of life in him all the time.

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Male 740
oh, and freedom of speech doesnt sit well in a public school. hell, if you can sign away your miranda rights, then they can take away your freedom of speech.

not that its really a bad thing...i mean, its pretty inappropriate for a 1st grader walking around with a "F*ck Bush" shirt his parents got him. this is the same thing.

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Male 21
Just freeze it when they first show the kid...tell me he doesnt look retarted. This is what happens when irresponsible, ignorant, stupid adults BREED. Notice she said the father was involved with some recent "Controversial" abortion protests...sounds like 1 of those guys that attacks women coming out of the clinics and he looks like a militia guy...cough cough former KKK cough cough. Dont you love how ppl are still unwilling to vote for this guy because of his skin color and his name..."His name sounds like Osama...he must be a dang gone terrrrorist, hey scooter...come put on this tshirt and wear it to that schoolin place you go everyday"

god blesssss ammmerrriiicaaaaaa

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Male 1,225
"Freedom of speech is a made up conceptual right."

So when I want to practice my own religion, a trial by jury, and to see a warrant when police enter my home, I`m just making stuff up?

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Male 740
he`s his father`s puppet. and he`s going to grow up and vote.

wow.

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Male 2,510
by the way, i wont watch this for the sole reason that Ron has the night off, who on earth does this leland guy think he is, i want ron...im taking this all the way to the top!
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Male 1,270
"I hate it when Ron has the night off."

LOL!!! That actually made my day! Thanks!!

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Female 254
I hate it when Ron has the night off.
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Male 1,270
Political messages have their place.
That place is not in a school.

Let me put it this way:

Politics = opinion
School = fact

Mixing the two can be VERY detrimental to education.

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Male 2,510
Holy crap, i see a war coming, run for the hills!
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Male 12,138
Aw, f*ck it, I changed my mind.

*rolls up sleeves, wades in*

Yeah, I agree with just about everyone here. Obviously this isn`t the kid`s political views, it`s his parents`. This is no different than those crazy bastards over at Westboro Baptist Church who bring their 6-7 year old kids to their rallies to hold up signs saying "Fags must die".

This father is obviously (ab)using his own son as a mouthpiece for his own extreme political views. The kid shouldn`t be suspended, it`s not fair that he`s going to lose out because of someone else`s fault (his own dad).

I`m quite sure that`s his dad`s t-shirt, judging by the size. The father should be punished for being a such a wanker.

I`m thinking castration.

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Male 183
Really, it comes down to whether it is an opinion, or an intended statement of fact. If it is an opinion, then you have the freedom to express any opinion you wish. If it is intended as a statement of fact, then you have to be careful not to give false and damaging information, which is slander.

If the tea-shirt read "I THINK Obama is a terrorist`s best friend" then that would have been opinion, and had the school suspended him, that would have been wrong.

However, the shirt said "Obama a terrorist`s best friend", which is a statement. As it is a legally unproven statement that can cause damage or offence, it is - until proven true - a slanderous statement. In this case, the school did not impinge on the kid`s rights by telling him to remove the shirt, as he was committing slander.

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Male 1,361
well since we`re at it...

Please, for the sake of the world, STFU!!!!!!!1!!!!!!1!!!!!!!one

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Male 1,361
freedom of speech is a great thing there`s not enough of it,

but fer fook seck, "a terrorist best friend", bit too far

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Female 1
i agree with kikayoaka vote McCain
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Male 240
Maybe the kid should wear a shirt that say`s McCain is not a terrorists best friend,,, see how far that one goes? As for a 5th grader not being able to have a veiw...? I am on the local school board, and I see young people with veiws all of the time, many of them different from their parents, and lots of them because their minds are not so walled off that the can actually look at things 2 ways.
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Male 2,591
Please, for the sake of the world, DO NOT vote McCain.
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Male 3,301
Whatever.
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Male 352
Please, for the sake of the world, vote McCain.
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Male 203
Freedom of speech is a made up conceptual right. There is no reason he should be allowed to wear that T-shirt, and also, please, for the sake of the world, vote Obama.
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Male 71
Lol this is bullpoo. Kids get suspended for inappropriate attire all the time. It has nothing to do with the political statement the father was using his kid as a billboard for, it had to do with the fact that it was inappropriate for an elementary school setting. If the shirt said "drat that anti-Obama kid`s dad." It too would have been considered offensive, regardless of how much everyone would have loved it.
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Male 221
It is a known fact that while you are in a public school (especially an elementary school) you do give up your right to wear certain clothes. All schools do have a dress code that you have you follow, otherwise risk being disciplined. Now if this happened in a college that`s a completely different ball game. I usually do not side with schools but on this one I think they did have the rights to suspend. It sounded like some students were offended, the school took action and gave the boy a choice, he made his decision. Rednecks.....
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Male 350
I guess his father told him everything he needs to know in life.. so he told him obama is a terrorist and if he truly loves his father he should wear this...

that is my view on that kid.. he got it taught by his father.. not by his own view

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Male 1,455
Wow, the shirt`s as big as a car.
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Male 731
Freedom of speech isn`t exactly the same in school. You have different sets of rules to follow and often dress codes to maintain.

No matter what side of the political system you`re on, you`ll know this will cause either distraction or arguments, if not an all-out fight.

When they said "Patriotic", they most likely meant a flag or Red, white, and blue or something like that. To say this is not about politics is kind of...well, nutty.

And if some of the kids complained that they were offended by the word "terrorist", I think free speech is thrown out the window.

Not to mention that in 1974, the Supreme Court ruled that opinions could not be considered defamatory. Regardless of the statement being True or False, this shirt is certainly defamatory.

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Female 78
I agree with Backfat.
This kid is in 5th grade. Most eleven-year-olds aren`t mature or intelligent enough to form a justified opinion about politics. This kid is going along with his father rather than doing the research himself, like any other kid would do.
I wouldn`t have suspended the kid, but I can see how the word "terrorist" might be offensive to some people.
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Female 164
I doubt that a kid in fifth grade has any real political views. I`m pretty sure any political beliefs he has are of his parents.
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Male 1,114
LUL REDNEX?

That`s one big t-shirt.

Somebody should show them this.

That turned me pro-obama.

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Male 12,138
Wow, this one`s a hot little potato, isn`t it? I think I`m gonna sit this one out...

*backs away slowly*

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Male 1,894
elemtary school kids should not have any real political view, because they are too young to truly understand politics.
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Female 1,605
Link: 5th Grader Suspended For Anti-Obama T-Shirt [Rate Link] - Does the kid take his right of freedom of speech too far? Can you take that right too far?
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