Stupid Design

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Neil deGrasse Tyson"s thoughts on Intelligent Design--just in case anyone had any questions.
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Male 282
lmao nice a year after post :D
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Female 60
"heheh aborted feces"
rofl
yea, that was all right
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Male 103
this guy is awesome, atheist FTW is right!!
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Male 1,556
And evolution takes a long f ucking time.
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Male 1,556
Umm evolution has bot fixed this because nature is a bitch. And the same goes for your "god" he didnt fix it, because hes a bitch.
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Male 1,265
An open request to God:

Seeing as He knows everything, He therefore must know I`m here typing this.

God, if you`re out there, wherever you might happen to be, I ask you, please make yourself known. None of this "working in mysterious ways rubbish", I`m not asking for a sign that might be passed off as coincidence or something, I`m humbly asking for something definitive. Spell out JEHOVAH or YHWH or SATAN IZ TEH GHEY LOLZ in the clouds tomorrow or something obviously deliberate like that. Something I can`t miss.

Thanks.

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Male 1,053
LOL WUT
good vid,like his views on time
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Male 239
This certainly seems to be an hot-button topic.
Well, I have an opinion too, and here it is:

None of you know anything. Not one single person here knows what their talking about - including me. All of the tripe you`ve typed here is, at best, poorly informed opinion peppered with equally poorly spelled insults.

Here`s the thing - saying your right doesn`t make you right. Yelling doesn`t add weight to your arguements. Demeaning someone because they have a different opinion isn`t going to change the fact that you don`t know what you`re talking about.

Face it - nobody knows. Nobody. You could devote your entire life to the study of the the subject and you would still be left with just a guess.

This arguement is more about ego than fact.

I will say, though, that for me there`s just something about the deep, rich, red of ketchup makes me crave it. Yellow is a sissy colour.

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Male 2,600
"The universe is so uninhabitable for life that it takes a statistically impossible miracle for life to exist. There are so many natural forces against life existing that only a God could let life exist."

See, I hear a lot of people talking about the statistical impossibility of life arising but I don`t hear them elaborate on how and where they get their numbers when pressured. The point Tyson was making was that the universe is not *conducive* to life or made for life (which some people do believe), but that doesn`t disallow the possibility for some form of life occurring - it may lessen the likelihood, but not render it impossible.

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Female 1,299
mustard and ketchup are made for each other
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Male 246
Groogle: You apparently didn`t understand the argument then. You don`t think its fact that 99.99% of the universe is uninhabitable? Go try living on the moon without a helmet and see what happens; much less anywhere else in the universe. The universe is expanding, proof = Red light shifts. Andromeda is on a collision course with us, look it up. Evolution, proof = carbon dating, fossil record, go look at a drating chimp, etc....
The point he`s trying to make is that universe nor earth was made with any purpose for us, we`re far from perfect and evolution still has a long way to go. I`ve even seen bill o`reilly say to richard dawkins "theres no way I can believe there is no god, look at how perfect everything is, tides go up tides go down"...This is pretty much a response to that, some things seem `perfect`, but we ignore all that is messed up.
And cefka, you exhale CO2...you inhale oxygen.
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Female 122
lol: "aborted faeces"
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Male 477
Science uses observations and tested facts to discover the answer to questions.
Intelligent Design people think they already know the answer and twist evidence to support it.

Scientist - "How, when and maybe who?"
Creationist/Intelligent Design - "Some guy did it"
Philosopher - "Why?"

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Male 1,089
i like eating six times a day
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Male 1,265
"I dont know what side is more delusional."

So, it`s delusional to say that life arises from an invisible creator who decided one day to fashion everything in existence, which still exists and has not changed since creation,

and yet

it`s delusional to say that life arose from organic chemicals and continues through a process of natural laws that are so simple as to be blatantly obvious to anyone with half a brain and the ability to make shadowy guesses as to what happens when you get a group of organisms, some of whom are able to survive better than the others.

Tell us please, Groogle, what`s the non-delusional explanation for the past 3.5 billion years of life?

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Male 1,265
You rail at other people for being uninformed, yet you make a crucial logical error yourself.

A theory is the result of observation and testing hypotheses and can only make predictions about the outcome of future experiments; therefore theories cannot be proven, only tested.

You can`t prove the theory of gravity is correct when it says that my pen will fall to the desk when I drop it. The theory only predicts that it will fall, but the theory cannot guarantee it will fall until you drop it. Proof is where you know the answer before you try the experiment. 2+2=4, that`s proven, but for all our knowledge there may be extended circumstances which would hold the pen aloft.

On top of that, Catholicism generally accepts events such as evolution as fact and I don`t think they`d contest the video at all.

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Male 1,265
Did you even try to understand his arguments?

It comes down to him saying that the idea of intelligent design is greatly flawed by pointing out that the universe was not purposefully made for us by The Designer, as evidenced by how simply massive it is. There`s an awful lot of stuff out there that simply has no bearing on our lives. From our perspective, it`s pointless, so why create it for us?

Then he moves on to the planet itself seemingly not wanting us here. Surely a designer would have not included catastrophes in his plan? Or, at least would have provided us with a better way of surviving them?

Then there`s all the stupid poo that goes wrong with our bodies. Why would a designer give us the capacity to develop cancer? Or Alzheimer`s? 2 diseases our bodies are powerless against.

Why do we have an appendix, or wisdom teeth? Not designed, they`re leftovers from ancestors who actually would have needed them.

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Male 2,172
He didn`t even made a single valid arguments.

I`m not against atheism but if this is the best you guys can do then you should inform yourself a lot more.

A lot of what that guy talk about are just theories that have never been proved and present them like if if was some sort of joke or something.

The best that could actually happen with this story is that some catholic group use this as example on how dumb atheists really are... and if no one care to debunk what this guy say then I dont know what side is more delusional.

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Female 61
heheh aborted feces
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Male 1,265
Neil DeGrasse Tyson has hit the nail on the head with the video. There is no intelligent design; there is only the process of evolution making the best of what we are. Who knows, perhaps if a non-lethal mutation results in lots people being born with 2 mouths, and enough single-mouthed people choke to death, humans might evolve into two-mouthed creatures.

Sure, it`d be great to not worry about choking to death, and that`s why one mouth for drinking, eating, and breathing is a stupid idea. But there was no thought process involved in giving us one mouth.

There`s no logical thinking design behind any species. There`s only surviving and beating the competition.

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Male 1,265
Why is it so friggin` hard for people to understand? We`re not here by intelligent design, or any other kind of conscious design, be it intelligent or not. Every organism alive today has a lineage of around 3.5 billion years. We see so much diversity because mutations and climate change and other factors forced all our ancestors to make the best of what they could at the time.

Evolution is a gradual process that is described by evolutionary theory, and that particular theory boils down to law that states two possibilities: that if you take a group of organisms and put them under pressure to survive, either the strongest will survive and pass on their strengths, making survival easier for the next generation, while the weaker ones will die off, OR, nothing survives, resulting in extinction.

Evolution has no design or plan, it doesn`t have any idea what it`s doing as it`s a process; a formula which always results in one of two things: either the strongest survive or nothing.

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Female 1,984
Gunit1, if you`re an atheist, at least spell it right.
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Female 850
My goodness. All you people are crazy.
Now, don`t any of you go sayin, `Rascist! Fancylad!!! Delete Gunit1`s post! She is bad!`
I am NOT rascist. I hate everyone equally.
Anyway; I am athiest, yes. But, i also believe this certain philosopphy Her it is;
1) YAY! Gods here!
2) Yay he makes stuff!
3) HE MAKES EVOLUTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
4) (for crazy close minded anti-gay people) God made gay, straight, and bisexual people and animals.
5) Yay, now here we are today after wars and stuff that god frowns apon.

So all you crazy anti-god people and you crazy religo-nuts, SHUT THE drat UP!
And, all the anti-gay/bu people too.
Jesus drating Christ, and people wonder why wars are started. >:-(

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Female 360
and it`s not so much the people.. I suppose.. I should have clarified.. the posters.. It`s the people who decide what links to put up that get to me.. How unfriendly the whole thing seems.. how unwelcoming..
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Female 360
Well.. honestly, it`s just a matter of frustration.. Usually I just, let it slide.. Ignore it.. move on.. skip the link.. Its just that it seems like there are quite a few of those links.. Granted it`s a hot button subject, which means it will get people talking, and people looking.. but it gets tiresome because it`s.. okay.. it`s perfectly acceptable to bash religious beliefs.. but it`s not alright to do so with other groups.. why not? It`d add variety, and .. spice.. to the site.. and it wouldn`t seem biased..
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Male 246
Im willing to listen :-P
Its just that the whole argument seems nonsensical. Theres 50,000 other content links not pertaining to religion, if it bothers you so much that it keeps getting posted and all the atheists gather to `jerk each other off`, then why dont you not click the link? Thats like me getting a visa, flying to and living in china just to tell them they suck. Feel free to argue the points in themselves if you have something to say about them, but the rest I just dont get
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Female 360
Yeah, it`s a free website.. I don`t have to pay, I don`t have to stay.. but I`m also entitled to .. have my say.. :P.. No one is listening to this, no one will care.. which is one of the reasons I`m going off like this..
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Female 360
I have gone to the other forum.. thats why I don`t spend as much time here.. The content has gotten boring.. and horribly biased.. Some forms of harassment and intimidation are okay, while others aren`t.. some posts are deleted, others arent.. This is the first time I`m actually saying anything about this, and it feels fricken fantastic..
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Male 246
As previously stated, why dont you just go there then?
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Female 360
At least the ripping that goes on there is good natured, and most important of all.. entertaining and clever.. You won`t find a bunch of egotistical,insecure athiests there jerking each other off to prove God doesn`t exist..
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Male 246
"Its probably best that this site doesn`t have a forum or I`d spend my time complaining about how sick I am of faux intellectual christian bashing and dry witted computer nerd jokes.. If everyone got an equal bash I`d have no problem.. so lets make fun of more retarded people, jewish people, black people, gay people, old people, muslim people, and people with cancer.. c`mon.. make it equal..
sorry, but this site reeks of a$$hole just a little more and more every day.. There are nicer people on the goregasm forum, and that site is full of porn and pictures of corpses.."
Then why dont you just go to goregasm. I-A-B is what it is, take it or leave it. I dont agree with everyone here, I think theres plenty of half-wits and plain old idiots, but its all part of the perks of the internet.
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Female 360
Its probably best that this site doesn`t have a forum or I`d spend my time complaining about how sick I am of faux intellectual christian bashing and dry witted computer nerd jokes.. If everyone got an equal bash I`d have no problem.. so lets make fun of more retarded people, jewish people, black people, gay people, old people, fat people, anorexic/bulemic people, dwarf people, muslim people, and people with cancer.. c`mon.. make it equal..

sorry, but this site reeks of a$$hole just a little more and more every day.. There are nicer people on the goregasm forum, and that site is full of porn and pictures of corpses..

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Male 246
"I watched the first half of it and stopped.
I don`t think that he guy presenting is aware that what he said is the exact same information intelligent designers use to prove their theory:

The universe is so uninhabitable for life that it takes a statistically impossible miracle for life to exist. There are so many natural forces against life existing that only a God could let life exist."
Actually, astronomers have worked out the probability of life existing using the # of habitable stars, % likely to have a planet in the habitable zone, etc...and they still come up with a number of a bare minimum of at least a couple thousand planets suitable for advanced life. His point however, is that the volume of habitable planets compared to planets/star systems/space that cannot be inhabited is so minuscule it hardly represents a plan.

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Male 600
I watched the first half of it and stopped.
I don`t think that he guy presenting is aware that what he said is the exact same information intelligent designers use to prove their theory:

The universe is so uninhabitable for life that it takes a statistically impossible miracle for life to exist. There are so many natural forces against life existing that only a God could let life exist.

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Male 2,440
The body works perfect, superbored77?

One word: CANCER

Moron.

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Male 246
"Human body,is a perfect and beautiful design;some of us born prettier than others but the body works perfect and all nature.
this guy is blaming who?? God? then it means he believes in God.
this guy is just plain stupid probably has an small penis too.and fugly what a life!!! "

I think youre missing the whole point...he isnt blaming anyone, hes just saying that if someone `designed` everything so `perfectly` with a `plan` he sure did waste a lot of effort on uninhabitable space/planets/land, disease, etc...
And this man is quite accomplished, I doubt he is blaming anyone for the way his life turned out.

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Male 29
Human body,is a perfect and beautiful design;some of us born prettier than others but the body works perfect and all nature.
this guy is blaming who?? God? then it means he believes in God.
this guy is just plain stupid probably has an small penis too.and fugly what a life!!!
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Male 2,600
Good to see some Neil deGrasse Tyson making it on here. Thoroughly entertaining, immensely bright man he is.
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Male 1,766
heres the full speech if you want ihttp://video.google.com/videosearch?sou...
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Female 66
Neil deGrasse Tyson was on Skeptic`s Guide to the universe recently. Very entertaining.

I am not sure he is mocking religion per se, but intelligent design.

Frankly, I think intelligent design/creationism deserves to be mocked because it uses bad science to prove the existence of God.

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Male 143
Did he really say "aborted human feces"?! by accident?!
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Male 213
I think computer science is a good comparison. Have you ever written a simulation program before? God couldve layed out all the rules of physics and then pressed the execute button.

Anyways, he isnt against God or Evolution, he is just saying that we shouldnt be so self-centered, the universe wasnt created just for us humans.

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Male 34
"Dousche, I mean Dude, is pretty much only bashing religion in his title of "stupid design". His whole speech is really a bash against evolution. If all this crap is wrong, then why hasn`t evolution fixed any of it, retard?"

You`re an idiot. Evolution takes time, lots of time. The only reason people don`t believe in evolution is because they don`t realize that they won`t witness its effects before they die.

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Male 1,036
Wow, this guy is pretty good. I was watching him on pbs yesterday and he was pretty bad.
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Male 56
this guy is a moron, he can`t even spell crocodiles right. -.-
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Male 11,740
Because enough stupid random facts can be put together to make anything seem legit.
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Male 603
My goodness, this looks like PROOF of intelligent design. Of course, the designer is interested in our demise.

Really, though, this guy is a lot less clever than he thinks he is. He doesn`t really make any points (which I`m open to) to sway me either way.

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Male 1,455
Ok guys, I want the full version of it. NOW!
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Male 4,290
Ohnjaynb: "Why are we so special? Why does God have to set up things and make them perfect for us? ... At least God gave us existence"

I take it from the "God gave us existence" part that you believe in God. From Genesis 1:27-28 -


`God created humankind in his own image,
in the image of God he created them,
male and female he created them.

God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply! Fill the earth and subdue it! Rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air and every creature that moves on the ground."`

So your own holy book says "God created humankind in his own image" and yet you wonder why we`re special? It then says "subdue the earth" and "rule over every creature" and you wonder why everything is meant to be set up for us?

Of course, you`re right. We aren`t special, and the world isn`t set up for us. But it`s not because God has done enough, it`s because he doesn`t exist.

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Female 1,398
I agree that mustard does have a sort of edge that ketchup lacks, but in order to make food deliciously moist the mustard taste becomes too strong. I find mustard better when diluted about halfway with ketchup. This also gives it a midly sweet flavor, if you`re a fan of some of the more flavor filled varieties of mustard.

I generally put mustard on chicken, a mix of both on fish, steak, and hotdogs, and plain ketchup on hamburgers.

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Male 3,296
genious....

going on my favs

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Male 776
funny though, against all odds apparantly, life did happen...

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Male 185
i choked as i was watching this
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Female 532
^ I mean `has`, not `had`...
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Female 532
Ok, ok. If god supposedly gives people free will and had absolutely no effect on the everyday happenings on earth, WHY do people pray for things and worship him?
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Male 106
@"He made fun of white people."

yeah, it it was the opposite, he would be arrested before the end of the speech. Black hole.

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Male 1,623
Also, evolution can`t fix non organic matters.
Evolution can`t make earthquakes happen or diseases go away.
It can, however, make organic lifeforms more resistant to these discomforts.

Conclusion:

Evolution is not a god, you are a narrow-minded person who can not see beyond the ignorant aspect of a god.

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Male 592
and yes, that is the dude that frequently appears on NOVA
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Male 592
"...wouldn`t any Christian with half a brain simply point out that God is under no obligation to make things as perfect or as good as He could?"

Wow AnImbroglio, that is very well put. Why are we so special? Why does God have to set up things and make them perfect for us? We like to think that it`s God`s responsibility to provide everything we need. This is just an entitlement attitude. At least God gave us existence, what the hell did we ever give him? What does he owe us?

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Male 1,623
"Dousche, I mean Dude, is pretty much only bashing religion in his title of "stupid design". His whole speech is really a bash against evolution. If all this crap is wrong, then why hasn`t evolution fixed any of it, retard?"

You are truly ignorant, but what more can one expect from a narrow-minded person?

Evolution is not some magic god that fixes everything. Evolution is mutation and natural selection. It does not instantly fix everything.
The chance of a mutation is about 0.01 percent (number made up just to make you understand).
The chance of a mutation actually being noticeable is yet again 0.01 percent of those 0.01 percent.
The chance of that mutation being beneficial to the creature is yet again 0.01.
The chance of getting a perfect gene (which we have billions of) out of a mutation is 0.000000001 percent.

This is why evolution does not make perfect creatures.
Humans are far from perfect.

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Male 2,781
^THAT`S PRETTY MUCH IN MANY SPECIES`...
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Male 2,788
YOU KNOW HOW COMPLEX YOUR CIRCULATORY SYSTEM IS? ...
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Male 3,301
spy be sappin mah sentry!
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Male 77
that was awesome.
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Male 392
Sexiest astrophysicist alive
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Male 246
this guys my new hero...looked him up online and read through his biography, hes gotta be one of the smartest guys out there. Ive never seen anyone make so much sense before.
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Male 151
Is that the guy that does the PBS show NOVA?
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Male 2,855
I like 2 parts ketchup, 1 part mustard
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Male 422
Mustard`s the best! But ketchup too is quite great. I also quite like to mix it together, am I sick? If I am, don`t bother to tell me ^^
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Female 532
Rman, I`d say the majority of people my age, in my area (London-ish) are non-religious. So, yeah, I can see that happening. About bloody time ;-)
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Male 246
Saw on the news that christianity is expected to nearly completely disappear from england within the next 100 years....after 2000 years it looks like the western civilization is finally coming to its senses.
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Female 532
I can`t believe people are bashing ketchup. YOU SICK F*CKS. MUSTARD?!
;P

One woman in the audience looks depressed. She`s probably a creationist.

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Male 1,002
Also, opiebreath, were you even paying attention? He`s bashing religion. He`s basically saying that if there is a god, he/she/it sure as hell isn`t trying to do us any favors by putting us in such a hostile universe. He`s going against people who say "look at this beautiful little frog - a great example of god`s wonderful work on Earth", completely oblivious to the fact that the frog is extremely poisonous.
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Female 90
I especially like when he starts getting flustered and says:

"look at all of these aborted feces"
and
"birth defects are tragic, particularly if they happen to the families who are afflicted by them" (as opposed to when they happen to families who are not afflicted by them)

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Female 195
Ha ha, I liked it :-)

I liked the line at the end about humans having their "entertainment system" next to the "sewage system" hee hee

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Male 155
lol Richard dawkins was there yeye:D
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Male 1,002
You know, I think LoofahBoy makes some very compelling arguments. I mean, mustard really does have something that ketchup simply doesn`t have. Don`t get me wrong - ketchup is good and all, but you only really get one kind - ketchup. With mustard, you`ve got regular, Dijon, Honey Dijon, mayo-mustard, I`ve even seen jalapeno mustard. In conclusion, there is no god.
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Female 15,763
I kinda skipped through it because how he spoke made me squirm, so I don`t really get it...


What exactly is he getting at? Is it a bash on evolution or religion?


What`s the POINT?!

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Male 165
oh and sorry loofahboy, i`m a ketchup guy... never been a mustard fan
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Male 165
bekll, richy d was in the audience... good to see him not doing the talking for once and just having a chuckle..
good video to people, i do like evolution :D
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Male 3,301
Garbage truck vagina is a vagina stonemason’s boner phone.
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Female 1,984
"His whole speech is really a bash against evolution. If all this crap is wrong, then why hasn`t evolution fixed any of it, retard?"

You`re an ignoramus. Evolution is a VERY SLOW and GRADUAL process. It is a blind process, it has no end purpose for Utopia.

Was Richard Dawkins in the audience?!

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Male 838
This is a little odd, to me... I`m agnostic... but wouldn`t any Christian with half a brain simply point out that God is under no obligation to make things as perfect or as good as He could? What if he really wanted it to be less than ideal? Computer makers do it all the time with computers... Why is it a stretch for God?
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Male 3,301
I like mustard. How about you people? I mean, mustard just has this... you know, EDGINESS that ketchup lacks. I don`t like ketchup. It`s all sickly sweet and it kind of has a strange texture to it. Anyways, I find that mustard goes REALLY well with pickles, especially on a hotdog.

Wouldn`t you all agree?

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Male 4,680
Crockodiles? Otherwise, good video.

"Dousche, I mean Dude, is pretty much only bashing religion in his title of "stupid design". His whole speech is really a bash against evolution. If all this crap is wrong, then why hasn`t evolution fixed any of it, retard?"
1) Why didn`t God fix it when he created humans?
2) Evolution doesn`t just happen instantly. Three hundred years from now, humans will still look the same as us (assuming they aren`t modified by radiation or surgery).

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Male 254
He made fun of white people.
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Male 3,255
I just gained a lot of respect for Neil deGrasse. I`ve never been too found of him because of his views on time, but this made my day.
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Male 215
FAKE
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Male 307
I want a kitten too :(
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Male 9,306
I want a kitten. :(
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Male 75
So what? God was not an intelligent engineer? Never thought of that before :P
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Male 315
This man is correct. Atheists FTW.
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Male 90
Dousche, I mean Dude, is pretty much only bashing religion in his title of "stupid design". His whole speech is really a bash against evolution. If all this crap is wrong, then why hasn`t evolution fixed any of it, retard?
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Male 2,958
I`ll start pouring the gas.
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Male 3,301
FLAME WAR AHEAD - FLAME WAR AHEAD
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Male 307
I`m a HUGE fan of religious satire but this was just annoying...
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Male 34
Link: Stupid Design [Rate Link] - Neil deGrasse Tyson`s thoughts on Intelligent Design--just in case anyone had any questions.
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