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http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/... Those are the numbers from a non-partisan source. How you analyze these numbers dictates how you define coalition success in Iraq. Based off them I do believe we are winning, and I would like to think the American life`s lost in Iraq were not lost in vain. The highly decorated General David Petaeus, who has more then 30 years of military experience says we can win, and that we ARE winning.
People like you make me sick. Especially when you start throwing out statements that CANNOT be backed up like "If you look at the numbers we are winning this war. Period."
Speaking as a member of the military, I will be so bold as to point out that if we were truly WINNING, why did we just extend the tours of over two thousand Marines who were PROMISED by our "leadership" that they would not be extended and would be going home.
Armies that are winning DO NOT keep exhausted, broken-down soldiers on the line.
Get a clue ImnoGod. And maybe read a book once in awhile and look beyond what your right-wing, Bush-supporting parents tell you is right.
I can safely assume from the way you think that you certainly don`t
Anyone who thinks that reporter was weak should sit up and take notice. The guy has brass balls for agreeing to experience waterboarding so he could accurately tell what it was like.
The concept is to prevent further terrorist attacks by chasing the organizations down to the root, and keeping them on the defensive. It has proved effective.
If you look at the numbers we are winning this war. Period.
I would like to know where you got this notion that Soldiers go around like big bad wolfs huffing and puffing and blowing the poor Iraqis houses down.
We do loads of humanitarian work in conjunction with Iraqi forces. Sure there are places that are unstable, and we are striving and succeeding to make them stable. Most of the Iraqis see us as a presence to maintain order and civility and respect that. But the only ones you hear about in the news are the Islamic terrorists. Furthermore, you attempted to make the point that if we left them alone, they would leave us alone. Absurd! These people are motivated by distorted religious values and despise the concept of democracy.
So set down that loony far left magazine you`re reading, open your eyes, and read something with a little substance. You know the kind of thing that contains FACTS and not just crazy unsubstantiated conspiracies .
I see this thread has flourished in my negligence. I`ll have to come back later.
All in the name of security, or freedom, or whatever.Now go wave a flag, Americans!
America created this mess, and we stupidly followed. The best thing we can do is pull out, leave well alone. We cant fix something we will continue to keep breaking just by being there!
It`s a war we cant win and shouldnt be invloved in. there is one reason alone we are in Iraq and one reason only! Oil!
Again..paranoia of the highest order. "They will".Who exactly is "them". Do your really buy into this crap that "they will come and kill you". Its BS of the highest order. the only reason "they" exist is because of western politics in arab nations. Do you acctually know anything about history? If we left well alone we wouldnt be where we are today. Capturing Bin Laden was something I supported. Invading Iraq was not. Bush proved within 6 months he didnt give a rats a$$ about capturing Bin Laden and set his sights on Iraq.Terrorist and freedom fighter..what exactly is the diffrence? "Terrorists are flooding into Iraq to fight American and allied forces."Is there a factory churning them out? Do every one of these people wake up one day and think "Hey..I`ll be evil". Of cou
But now we are at a point in the war where it would be detrimental to our best interests to pull our troops from Iraq. Terrorists are flooding into Iraq to fight American and allied forces. They have chosen to make Iraq their rallying point. If we fail in Iraq, they WILL come to our homelands and they WILL try to kill the citizens of our democracy driven nations. We`re winning this war dammit, the only place we aren`t is in the media.
aussieguy29 is right. We English suffered terrorist attacks at the hands of the IRA for a long time. It was proven that many of the irish who had "confessed" to being a terrosrist back in the 70s had been tortured by the police into giving a confession. Years later it was proven they where innocent and in 30 years a lot has changed in our police force. We know it was wrong and supposedly it will never happen again. I`d like to think, at the moment we have the best police force in the world.
Whilst 9/11 was horrific, America is now no better than the terrorists that attacked it. Explain to me why there are troops in Iraq? The whole WMD things a joke? How come in nrly 7 years Bin Laden, an old man who needs dialasis ffs, has not been caught!So those Iraqis attacking Allied forces are terrorists? You know..the ones who had their country invaded, there loved ones killed by us?
Prime..stop being such a tool and wake up!
No..there was a big thing about America illigally transporting prisoners through some countries. I belive Romania and (what was)East Germany, where accused of turning a blind eye. Portgal was also accused of allowing a secret American prison, though I dont recall any proof being found. Europes huge though..and 1 European country does not represent Europe.As for you Prime..you dissapoint me. Yourlogic astounds me. Would you really trust the confession of a tortured person? Give me half an hour (not that I would dream of this) and I can have you telling the world that that your a 81 yr old granny called Bernice. Something you`d know, if you really knew anything about psycho
he lasted, id say 15/16.
Link here to one particularly large example.
Not to mention three innocent under the age of 15.
Stop saying "These people" as if they`re terrorists. "These people" hate america. "These people" are non-nice individuals.
NO. "These People" are mostly innocent, and more innocent than the sonovabitch you are for condoning their torture.
Screw waterboarding, you deserve to drown, you ignorant prick.
What the wikipedia article you posted fails to mention is that many researchers have discovered that this was only the 3rd preferred torture method of the Spanish Inquisition. With the 1st and 2nd being poking people with soft cushions and sitting them down in comfy chairs until lunch.
NOBODY EXPECTS THE SPANISH INQUISITION!!!!
"Oh and I see prime is pretending to know psychology now!"Im taking AP next year and already have done numerous projects on Freud.
The one concern I have with Truth Serum is its cost. I think a combination of water boarding to loose their senses and then a polygraph test would work quite well. I support anything that gets answers.
Pretty sick and stupid because anyone knows tortuture someone long enough and they`ll say anything!
Yes...Bush is a war criminal!
maybe make a virtual reality world where it seems like their entire family is being butchered in front of them
Library books... that reminds me of a Daily Show joke. "Hmmm...Islam for dummies. Homeland Security will be fascinated by this!
And Queenzira, what other alternative is there. Simply interrogating someone will more than likely not produce results
Humanity is surely f*<ked, and I worries me when even our own gov`t takes away our civil liberties. Sadly though, lots of people are just ignorant sheep who won`t stand up and fight for their liberties. I`m no sheep & I happen to like the Constitution. The Patriot Act was only the first step in shaving away at our freedoms.
Oh, waterboarding... right.
The very fact that torture is acceptable in the slightest, even if it is to save many lives is sheer proof that the US Government`s goal is to destroy civilization, and undo the social progress that brought it into being purely for the sake of absolute power. We are just stupid apes that use the devices of a bright few to kill as many people that happened to be born on the other side of the planet, who grew up in different lives, and create a mutual, and unwaranted hate. Civilization began when men threw words to settle their differences instead of rocks. Now, we go further, we throw bombs, and then get into the survivors heads and drive them to complete mental breakdown.
Humans have proven that they are nothing more than stupid little monkeys that now have big weapons, and are incapable of doing anything helpful. Perhaps the fast approaching robots will be better...
Okay, going by your philosophy, I no longer condone the spaying/neutering of pets.
At least then they know what they`re rooting for.
Well that`s some serious bull poo!
Most of the ridiculous practices that the nazis were said to have committed were later admitted to be false confessions obtained through torture and beatings!
Examples include:-Shrunken heads-human soap-18 million jews killed-eating babies-lampshades made of human skin-mattresses filled with jewish hair-etc.
okI`m not a baddd person...but what came to mind is..I want to try this out..BUT I won`t! because I`m smart enough..and chicken..
But if they captured a guy who knew when the next 9/11 was going to happen?
By any means necessary- Malcom X
In all seriousness, "I love this place. I love the freedoms we used to have..."
what were they planning to do him later?