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  1. Profile photo of fancylad
    fancylad Male 30-39
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    July 16, 2008 at 6:09 pm
    Link: Handguns : Disarming Britain - An artsy little promo for Disarming Britain, a program in the UK about gun-happy loons in the UK.
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    maceizballin Male 13-17
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    July 16, 2008 at 9:35 pm
    of course the guy was black...
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    LoofahBoy Male 18-29
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    July 16, 2008 at 9:35 pm
    lol, chavs
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    LOWK5695 Male 18-29
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    July 16, 2008 at 9:42 pm
    PSSHH, F#ckin buillpoo, if anything EVERYONE should carry guns, then S-hit like this wouldnt happen, cuz then people can just shoot them first...Since there is NO WAY u can get rid of all guns, and by trying, then people will be forced to buy illegal weapons on the black market, just like here in Cali
    Problem solved...haha
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    smartbomb314 Male 13-17
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    July 16, 2008 at 9:44 pm
    maceizballin... which guy? there were plenty of black AND white people in that commercial, none were really targeted
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    BrokenJohn Male 18-29
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    July 16, 2008 at 9:46 pm
    I remember seeing this on tv, pretty drated up stuff when you`re watching Big Brother and this comes on. Knife crime is FAR BIGGER problem than guns, I think last week six people were stabbed to death in London. (four of whom were killed in less than 24 hours of each other) They really need to do something about it, this idea about taking offenders to see stab victims in hospital is the worse idea I`ve ever heard. They need tougher sentences to deal with these people.
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    JoeTheRipper Male 18-29
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    July 16, 2008 at 9:46 pm
    ^^ I agree - i`m tired of this racism witch hunt. When the heck is honor gonna make a comeback so we can finish fights with fists on equal grounds!
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    LOWK5695 Male 18-29
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    July 16, 2008 at 9:49 pm
    Jail sentences dont do anything but make it easier to learn how not to get caught, Jail is just a High security school....

    and making more laws just make people wanna break them, the government just needs to F#CK OFF and leave people alone because its their fault people make bad decisions...
    Next thing you know people really will be shooting people with their fingers, then it`ll be unlawful to point...hahaha

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    LOWK5695 Male 18-29
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    July 16, 2008 at 9:50 pm
    ^^ EXACTLY, JOE, Well said
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    maceizballin Male 13-17
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    July 16, 2008 at 9:51 pm
    the first guy. twas merely a joke though. all races and nationalities were reached in the vid lol. and i do-on a sidenote- like the videos` premise. but guns are a hole that we dug ourselves into back in the violent ages when they were created
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    patthebaker Male 18-29
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    July 16, 2008 at 9:57 pm
    congratulation on the uk for being another step closer to defensless
  12. Profile photo of Moenkie
    Moenkie Male 18-29
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    July 16, 2008 at 9:59 pm
    What?
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    Monsdurr Male 13-17
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    July 16, 2008 at 10:00 pm
    When guns were given to the general public, pandora`s box was opened. No point in taking away or banning guns.
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    maples Male 13-17
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    July 16, 2008 at 10:03 pm
    I is sad :(

    But really I found the metaphoric use of the hand as a gun really intruiging... and the whole movie really depressing. More than the "Biggest Regrets" video actually, `cuz of all the `dying` people. Isn`t that really the whole point here?
    That people are dying, not that Britian is defenceless?

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    Nidonemo Male 18-29
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    July 16, 2008 at 10:03 pm
    Is it really that violent or is this spin?
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    kenny_f Male 13-17
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    July 16, 2008 at 10:06 pm
    thats dumb. everybody knows theres no black people in the uk
  17. Profile photo of BrokenJohn
    BrokenJohn Male 18-29
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    July 16, 2008 at 10:07 pm
    Parts of London are definitely like this. Not some much with guns but everyone is scared of knives. It`s all over the news, you can`t go one day without hearing about it.
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    crisbe Female 18-29
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    July 16, 2008 at 10:10 pm
    ohhh goodness kenny.
    you`re not much of an emotion person are you.
  19. Profile photo of LOWK5695
    LOWK5695 Male 18-29
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    July 16, 2008 at 10:22 pm
    Damn man, in La Puente, and especially LA, there are always gunshots ringing out at night, it happens so much, that u know somethingh is going on if u dont hear them, it is just a day by day thing, no big deal until it was someone u know that was brought to an end.....
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    NicoNico Female 18-29
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    July 16, 2008 at 10:38 pm
    Wow. I didn`t know the UK had guns. (I`m jk)

    Seriously, though. I don`t like guns. Grew up in DC when it was the murder capital, so I`m not too fond of being near one. Machetes are good enough for me, thanks.

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    LOWK5695 Male 18-29
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    July 16, 2008 at 10:48 pm
    ^^ MACHETES RULE MAN...

    I have a Japanese War Machete... and a Spanish sword that has in spanish "If you see me coming, prepare to die" on the blade...

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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    July 16, 2008 at 10:54 pm
    Great Britain has already banned handguns and has some of the strictest gun laws of any western country. And they STILL have over 9,000 fatalities from handguns. So, Much for gun laws solving the problem.

    Gun laws only make it impossible for law abiding people to own a gun. Criminals will always be able to buy guns illegally.

    This leads to a disarmed public and well armed criminals, And thats exactly what the criminal element wants. >-(

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    opiebreath Female 18-29
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    July 16, 2008 at 10:54 pm
    Isn`t Britain already less gun-toting than the U.S.?
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    duckinfuh Male 18-29
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    July 16, 2008 at 10:58 pm
    so of those 9650 firearm crimes, how many of them happened with a *legally* purchased gun? not many, i`d reckon. making it tougher to purchase a gun will not do much, if anything, to lower the gun related crimes.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    July 16, 2008 at 11:29 pm
    CrakrJak:

    There were 734 homicides here last year. That`s total homicides. Most are using simple mechanical force. 258 were from sharp objects (not just knives, that includes screwdrivers, broken bottles, anything sharp). I can`t even find the number of fatalities from handguns. It`s so small, it might not even be recorded separately.

    Over 9,000? Total rubbish. Closer to 9 than 9000.

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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    July 16, 2008 at 11:33 pm
    Aha, found something. Last year, there were 59 deaths in this country that were *related* to firearms of *all* types.
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    joofro Male 18-29
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    July 16, 2008 at 11:41 pm
    ya gun control actually increases crime. if everyone had a gun, the playing field would be fair and people would be less likely to try poo
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    joofro Male 18-29
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    July 16, 2008 at 11:43 pm
    o ya really good video though
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    teph2112 Male 13-17
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    July 17, 2008 at 12:02 am
    More irresponsible governments trying to fix social problems.

    If I could, I would always carry a gun and something very sharp with me.

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    kikij Female 18-29
    311 posts
    July 17, 2008 at 12:21 am
    All of you morons saying everyone should carry guns and then none of this would happen.

    ARE YOU FU-CKING KIDDING ME? ARE YOU GENUINELY THAT MORONIC?

    Our guns offence are MASSIVELY under America`s. The number of children killed on purpose and accidently by guns is massively under America`s. If everyone in Britain owned guns the problem would be massively higher.

    90% of the people who get shot own guns themselves because it`s all street wars. And before you start getting all on you high horse I knew one of the kids that was shot, the first in the recent spate and so I know what I am talking about.

    People call American`s thick for a reason it seems when it comes to guns ownership. Look at your problems and then compare to any country without guns and you would ban them in an instant if you have a scrap of common sense. Which you blatantly don`t.

    >:(

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    kikij Female 18-29
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    July 17, 2008 at 12:24 am
    Firearms offences includes owning a gun, possession etc. Deaths by firearm was 59. 59 out of 60 million imagine if we all were able to own guns. Think about it before you write bs.
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    Anisirion Male 18-29
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    July 17, 2008 at 12:27 am
    If everyone could buy a gun legally, then more people would die in "accidental" deaths, like when the Dad got owned by the Son. Let the criminals have the guns, let the criminals die by the guns.
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    Flakk Male 13-17
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    July 17, 2008 at 12:57 am
    "Our guns offence are MASSIVELY under America`s."
    We don`t care.

    If you Europeans think the US government is such a force of evil why are you urging us to trust it with our security?

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    Flakk Male 13-17
    126 posts
    July 17, 2008 at 1:12 am
    I suppose an urban ban on handguns would be acceptable.

    Rifles, however, should be left alone, being rather unwieldy murder weapons.


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    Mikeado Male 18-29
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    July 17, 2008 at 1:23 am
    Wow. Really opens your eyes. Whatever that means. I hate chavs so much. They stain our fair country, born out of American rap culture, then made all crappy.

    Oh, and opiebreath, every country is less gun-toting than the US.

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    Victory7 Male 18-29
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    July 17, 2008 at 1:39 am
    Intresting, nearly all those "scenarios" involved gang activity (illegal weapons not bought by citizens or controlled by the government) or stupidity that could easily be solved by formal training and gun responsibilty classes. Hell, a katana is infinitely more deadly because it doesn`t run out of ammo. Which makes me think about gangsters carrying those instead of firearms, and having epic swordfights instead of street shootings. Think about it, you know you want to go walking one day and see a crazy 50 on 50 on 50 swordfight between the Crips, Bloods, and Ms-13.
  37. Profile photo of RickyGTO
    RickyGTO Male 18-29
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    July 17, 2008 at 1:46 am
    shiiit I wish I could shoot bullets out of my fingers!!
  38. Profile photo of i-am-emo
    i-am-emo Female 70 & Over
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    July 17, 2008 at 2:37 am
    if only it were that easy.
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    i-am-emo Female 70 & Over
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    July 17, 2008 at 2:39 am
    At first when I saw he only had his hand in the shape of a gun instead of holding one I just thought the ad was underfunded.
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    Ajikan Male 18-29
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    July 17, 2008 at 2:42 am
    kikij, 190% of all percentages posted on the internet are bull poo without source.
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    Alexy_Walexy Male 18-29
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    July 17, 2008 at 2:55 am
    May I just add, to all you people saying things like `Oh this is just the government trying more pointless campaigns to reduce gun crime`. This promo has nothing to do with the government. Channel four was set up to cater for people who dont want to watch the BBC, and its shows usually target the younger demographic groups, made by the younger people. This promo is an indie production, and has nothing to do with the government at all.
  42. Profile photo of Baelzar
    Baelzar Male 40-49
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    July 17, 2008 at 3:05 am
    Did you know:

    1) British hospitals are not required to report knife wounds, but ARE required to report gunshot wounds.

    2) There are so many cameras on British citizens in London alone that the authorities cannot process all the data.

    How many knife attacks occur that aren`t reported?

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    SirKevin Male 13-17
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    July 17, 2008 at 3:26 am
    It`s still gonna be better than the US. Face it.
    Saying if everyone had a gun it would be better is rediculous. Compare londons Gun homicide rates with an equal sized main city in America, what`s it going to be like? Making guns easier to buy will only make the problem worse. Street gangs that make up a high percentage of gun crime will most likely have guns illegally anyway, and the average household in the UK wouldn`t want a gun. I know our`s wouldn`t. It`s a good advert with a good message.
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    yesssssssss Male 13-17
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    July 17, 2008 at 3:36 am
    mate, there are some stupid people on here stating that if everyone had guns it would reduce the amount gunshot victims.

    think about it yeh!:!

  45. Profile photo of Scotchy
    Scotchy Male 18-29
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    July 17, 2008 at 3:45 am
    Anyone forgetting the city that requires all citizens to own a firearm in the household... or forgetting the fact that after the law was passed violent crimes actually REDUCED and the city became safer..

    I guess that little fact was overlooked hmm..

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    Scotchy Male 18-29
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    July 17, 2008 at 3:49 am
    Also, kinda curious too.

    All I hear are anti-america blah blah, whatever, yet so many people want to live in this country? I mean, numbers don`t lie, and it appears that many people move to this country every year, so must be doing something right, even with our current president, the war in Iraq, etc, etc. So, if we can do all this, doesn`t that mean maybe your doing something wrong?

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    oops_you_die Female 18-29
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    July 17, 2008 at 4:03 am
    And if the guy with the bike had a gun, do you think they`re be robbing him?
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    Sidesalad Male 18-29
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    July 17, 2008 at 4:09 am
    Scotchy:

    You argument might actually work if everyone here was from Mexico. From my point of view in England I don`t really have an urge to live in your country. You can`t say that because loads of people immigrate to America, everyone here will also want to. You can`t apply the general to the specific!

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    Tiredofnicks Male 30-39
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    July 17, 2008 at 4:25 am
    kikij: You`ve got my full support, but trying to make gun enthusiasts change their way seems utterly futile. Yet, here I go again.

    A hypothetical country has 1000 citizens. Half of them owns a gun. Guns are legal and fairly easy to obtain. Ten percent of the citizens are criminally inclined and wants a gun.

    Another equally hypothetical country has 1000 citizens. Five percent of the population owns a gun. Sales and ownership of guns are restricted to those with a practical and solid need for them. This country also has ten percent criminals that wants a gun.

    You do the math, how many criminals are likely to have/obtain a gun in country 1, and how many are likely to in country 2?

    The USA has too much of a culture around firearms for sentiments to change I believe, and you`re so saturated with them that to be "safe" everyone must own one. It is my sincere belief that it is too late for you to do anything about it without risking a civil war.

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    i-am-emo Female 70 & Over
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    July 17, 2008 at 4:25 am
    They move there for the business or because Australia`s simply to far to swim to
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    malikymoo Female 18-29
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    July 17, 2008 at 4:28 am
    scary
  52. Profile photo of i-am-emo
    i-am-emo Female 70 & Over
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    July 17, 2008 at 4:35 am
    "I suppose an urban ban on handguns would be acceptable.

    Rifles, however, should be left alone, being rather unwieldy murder weapons."

    scenario 1: "YO! WHERE MY MONEY G!"
    "I have it! I have it! I just need more time"
    "YO you run OUTA TIME" *pulls out large hunting rifle from jockstrap of pants*
    "WHOS LAUGHIN NOW" *tries desperatly to pull trigger*

    Also my view of todays youth is just about that of a 60 year old

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    mal_BB Male 18-29
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    July 17, 2008 at 4:53 am
    `At first when I saw he only had his hand in the shape of a gun instead of holding one I just thought the ad was underfunded`

    Ha ha, that comment made my day!

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    Fwoggie2 Male 30-39
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    July 17, 2008 at 4:58 am
    The UK doesn`t need guns, period. As a law abiding (ish) general member of the public, I can think of no reason to own and carry one. The chances of me getting caught up in one of the 9,650 firearms offences every year in the UK are zero. I`d have more chance of getting into trouble in the US whilst on holiday.
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    farquaadhnch Male 18-29
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    July 17, 2008 at 5:09 am
    "I`d have more chance of getting into trouble in the US whilst on holiday."

    That depends on where you go. New York or Chicago, maybe. I would suggest San Fransico or Orlando or Las Vegas because the touristy areas aren`t as bad for crime. I know Orlando has a horrible reputation for murders this year, but it is almost exclusively resident on resident in domestic situations.

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    leyyth Male 18-29
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    July 17, 2008 at 5:32 am
    america sux woooooooo europe
    ha
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    randomer Male 13-17
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    July 17, 2008 at 5:36 am
    It`s an effective promotion as it really hits you hard and it makes you think
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    July 17, 2008 at 5:52 am
    Guns don`t cause crime people cause crime. Also the UK used crime a an excuse to ban firearms in 1911 the reason being because at the time communist revolutions where poping up everywhere not crime enjoy being under your goverments thumb if you want to lower crime improve your unemployment rates it`s way more effective and stop blaming crime on a piece of machinery.
  59. Profile photo of i-am-emo
    i-am-emo Female 70 & Over
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    July 17, 2008 at 6:12 am
    "Guns don`t cause crime people cause crime."

    mcgovern1981 is right. We shouldnt be burning all the guns, we should be burning all the people.

    especially, telemarketers.

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    mordecai8318 Male 18-29
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    July 17, 2008 at 7:06 am
    with a gun barrel between your teeth you speak only in vowels.
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    AGit Male 30-39
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    July 17, 2008 at 7:25 am
    Quite disturbing. I was born in England and moved when I was a kid, every time I hear BBC Manchester and see these things it`s clearer that I don`t want to go back there. Sadly, England is turning into another state of America. Please don`t.
    I find it funny (as in pathetic) that some americans really belive that the presence of guns widly available would be positive, I just cannot grasp the logic behind that (and I`m sure that they can`t either...) All that they come up with is that it`s in the bloody Consitution, failing to take into account that it was proposed at a time when the vast extensions of land and poor communication made law enforcement practically impossible. But, as they envy the lack of history, they cling on to any tradition, however obsolete or absurd.
    Obviously, all that in my opinion...
  62. Profile photo of Fwoggie2
    Fwoggie2 Male 30-39
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    July 17, 2008 at 7:25 am
    Mind you, I`ve had a police officer point a gun at me in the UK - not just any gun either, it was a H&K MP5 sub machine gun. I readily agreed to do as he asked which was to turn around and walk back into the house.
  63. Profile photo of Boredered
    Boredered Male 18-29
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    July 17, 2008 at 8:07 am
    hav u seen children of men?
    the citizens need their weapons!
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    sushipanda Female 13-17
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    July 17, 2008 at 8:07 am
    lmao
    it`s always the black guy

    ...or the white guy who thinks he`s the black guy...

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    ConverseUK Male 18-29
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    July 17, 2008 at 8:17 am
    The song...

    The Light, by a FANTASTIC band called The Album Leaf.

    Check them out, you won`t be let down!!

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    Aqua_Bird Female 13-17
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    July 17, 2008 at 8:31 am
    sushipanda,
    they seem the only people interested in the whole `gang culture` thing. Which involves guns of course.

    Fwoggie2, he may have mistaken you for a Brazilian electrician. ;-)


    I don`t really understand where the whole `everyone should have guns!` mentality is coming from. The logic behind it is ridiculous.

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    mikhaillost Female 70 & Over
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    July 17, 2008 at 9:00 am
    LOL. I think it would have been better if the kids had started playing cops and robbers, or cowboys and indians, the hand position is basically the whole idea of the game...

    But then stupid people would started yelling "See? We raise our kids like this.. Wahhhhh.... Kids can`t play violent games..."

  68. Profile photo of Baelzar
    Baelzar Male 40-49
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    July 17, 2008 at 9:01 am
    Wow.

    Talking about missing the point.

    The more freedom you have, the more risk you have. In anything.

    The more of your own money you get to keep, the more chance that you`ll lose it.

    The more weapons you are allowed to own, the more chance they`ll end up in the wrong hands, or that an accident will happen.

    I`ll take freedom over safety, any day of the god damned week. You Brits can do as you like.

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    goaliejerry Male 30-39
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    July 17, 2008 at 9:25 am
    Typical European view - guilt criminals into good behavior. Riiiight. How many illegal gun possessors in England saw this commercial, and started to cry and re-evaluate their criminal ways? I bet they all just threw their guns in a river, and proceeded to make restitution to all the people they have ever wronged.

    Its simple. Crime and criminals will always exist. To COMPLETELY combat violent crime, you have to COMPLETELY CURTAIL individual freedom.

    Check out this quote from the English President of the Police Superintendent`s Association.

    "We must get back to the time when members of the public accept that even if they have done nothing wrong, and are not carrying a knife, they must not object to a police officer questioning them and in some cases searching them."

    Yes, the answer is, let cops search anyone, anytime, for any reason.

    No thanks. I trust me and my gun over some low-paid cop who cares nothing for me.

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    goaliejerry Male 30-39
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    July 17, 2008 at 9:26 am
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/majornews/2305006/Knife-crimes-in-Britain-top-22,000-in-the-last-year.html

    This is the link for my above quote. Give away all individual freedom, England, the State requires it.

  71. Profile photo of goaliejerry
    goaliejerry Male 30-39
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    July 17, 2008 at 9:34 am
    AGit, our 2nd amendment is just one form of recognition that the PEOPLE come before the STATE. Thus, AS OUR SUPREME COURT RECENTLY AFFIRMED, the government cannot DISARM the public. Period.

    AGIT, you miss the big picture. Its not just that we can own guns. Its also that I can say whatever I want, practice whatever religion I like, OR NOT, be free from unreasonable searches and seizures, I have rights againt government abuse of power and intrusion into my personal affairs, our businesses operate without undue govermental oversight. I AM SECURE IN MY PAPERS AND PERSON. Any rights not listed in the constitution are RETAINED BY THE PEOPLE.

    Owning Guns is but ONE way our system of government recognizes the supremecy of the PEOPLE over that of the STATE.

    But go ahead, round up all your guns England. Let the cops search through each home, just to be sure they don`t miss any.

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    goaliejerry Male 30-39
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    July 17, 2008 at 9:40 am
    Oh, and don`t forget to also gather up ALL THE KNIVES, because without guns, seems you people get to stabbin`.
  73. Profile photo of Lou-Saydus
    Lou-Saydus Male 13-17
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    July 17, 2008 at 9:48 am
    Because criminals buy their guns legally, true story.
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    Zim132 Male 13-17
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    July 17, 2008 at 10:01 am
    To everybody who thinks that banning guns will make things better, i see your point. Take away the threat, and the danger leaves also, right? I don`t see it that way. Just because it`s illigal doesn`t mean it will keep the criminals away from the guns. We`ve banned drugs, and look how good that did. Thousands of people still do drugs. Once we tried to ban alcohol, Yet it didn`t stop any of the desperate ones from getting at it. Banning guns will just make it harder for law-abiding citizens to protect themselves. Like the point made by oops_you_die, "if the guy with the bike had a gun, do you think they`re be robbing him?" Banning guns is just the radical Liberals trying to dis-arm the population so when they take over by force, we wont be able to do anything to stop them. Thanks for your time. By the way, I`m 13 and I can understand this. People are just pathetic. :(
  75. Profile photo of Zim132
    Zim132 Male 13-17
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    July 17, 2008 at 10:07 am
    Boredered made a good point also, all you gun-haters should go see that movie
  76. Profile photo of Tiredofnicks
    Tiredofnicks Male 30-39
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    July 17, 2008 at 10:12 am
    "Freedom" says citizens of the state that can detain anyone, indefinitely, without a trial.

    I have to self-bump a bit and ask you to read my post on lower page 2, please tell me if you find any flaw in my logic.

  77. Profile photo of Baelzar
    Baelzar Male 40-49
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    July 17, 2008 at 10:31 am
    Tiredofnicks; of course it`s easier for criminals to get guns here. It`s also easier for law abiding citizens to get guns. I accept the risk, thanks.

    Speaking of unlawful detainment, the U.N. ranks the U.K. as number one in total kidnappings as of 2002.

  78. Profile photo of Baelzar
    Baelzar Male 40-49
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    July 17, 2008 at 10:55 am
    You know what, scratch that U.N. source, above.

    That`s a voluntary survey that the U.N. offers and I don`t think it`s very accurate.

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    patthebaker Male 18-29
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    July 17, 2008 at 11:01 am
    legacy in a perfect world we would all have swords that would be awesome.
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    trello Male 30-39
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    July 17, 2008 at 11:35 am
    I notice with interest that the "Give guns to everybody" mentality is coming from the US, who see the UK as `defenceless`.

    Sorry, but you`re wrong.

    Yes, there is clearly an issue with armed crime in the UK. There`s issues like that everywhere in the world. However, I`d sooner live in a place where gun crime is a rare sight, than where everyone is so much in love with their firearms that you are guaranteed to be within 20 metres of a gun (New York statistics), and where they have clubs like the NRA.

    The UK police only have CS spray and an ASP/truncheon (except for departments like the FSU, who are issued with firearms), yet for everyday policing, that`s all that`s required.

    As far as I`m concerned, it`s not that easy to obtain a gun in the UK. In the US, it`s very easy!

    As for the old "Guns don`t kill people" cliche, rubbish! Guns DO kill people. They are tools to help the killers do a more efficient job, and they destroy lives, both of the victims, and t

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    dragonshadoz Female 18-29
    4031 posts
    July 17, 2008 at 12:09 pm
    People who use guns like this are f-cking pathetic and it all seems like cowardice. Who seriously kills someone over a bike or an argument? It`s ridiculous and it`s horrible. What`s happened to people?
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    prillypopz Female 18-29
    170 posts
    July 17, 2008 at 12:55 pm
    I agree with trello.

    And also, you`re more likely to find a firearm in a farmers barn down in Somerset than you are in London. Which I find quite hilarious.

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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
    14268 posts
    July 17, 2008 at 12:56 pm
    IF the UK is so great without guns disarm ur anti terrorist units(whatever you call your SWAT teams) and military lemme know how well it goes for you. As for guns killing people if someone wants to kill they`ll find something to do it with and it`s not like guns are handed out here as you seem to think you have to get some sort of license depending on the state somthing someone wanted to commit a crime with one wouldn`t do.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    July 17, 2008 at 12:58 pm
    wanting* I mean
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    July 17, 2008 at 1:14 pm
    And from what I hear you have a high rate of stabbings why would that be???
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    July 17, 2008 at 1:58 pm
    Brits who call Americans thick need to look at their own country. What exactly does the Queen do for all that money you give her actually all your princes,loards, dukes ect..
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    Trucast Male 18-29
    162 posts
    July 17, 2008 at 2:14 pm
    This isn`t about the possibility of banning handguns in Britain because that`s already happened. It`s illegal to have a handgun for private use, and all other firearms must be registered. I myself am rather happy with living in a country that has these rules.
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    Ohnjaynb Male 18-29
    592 posts
    July 17, 2008 at 2:43 pm
    see, there really aren`t that many guns in the UK. About half of the people shown were actually just pointing their fingers in a menacing fashion.

    For more entertainment involving Brits shooting people with guns, I would recommend the movie Zulu. In fact compared to that film this movie is severely lacking. Every victim simply keels over and gives up living. This is boring. In Zulu they clutch their chest and put a very strained expression on their faces. It`s as if they were killed at the sight of one of my ex girlfriends.

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    domisgood Male 18-29
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    July 17, 2008 at 2:46 pm
    Brits who call Americans thick need to look at their own country. What exactly does the Queen do for all that money you give her actually all your princes,loards, dukes ect..

    u dumb drat

    the royal family are not actually doing very well, financially. you actually don`t know what ur talking about do u? we dont give our lords (learn to spell) or dukes any money, these people come from rich families. and this whole thing is about disarming illegal weapons on the street not disarming the army you drattard

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    Ohnjaynb Male 18-29
    592 posts
    July 17, 2008 at 2:46 pm
    somebody should put up an IMDB post about this PSA.

    Continuity: Shoots bullet from fingers.

    Pop culture reference: The bullet fingers may be a reference to family guy in which God tries to pick up a woman in a bar, telling her that he has, "magic fingers"

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    domisgood Male 18-29
    4868 posts
    July 17, 2008 at 2:56 pm
    NEWSFLASH

    on bbc it says `teen dies in fatal stabbing`

    another 1 bites the dust :-(

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    Deepeyes Male 18-29
    151 posts
    July 17, 2008 at 3:12 pm
    Look at the data. Areas where more people carry guns are less likely for violence. Gun bans only make the people that abide by the ban in a position where they are without the means of protecting themselves and the common criminal that doesn`t care about such bans, powerful over those people.

    All other issues though, count me leftist.

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    AFTERSHOCK Male 18-29
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    July 17, 2008 at 3:18 pm
    YOU CAN TAKE MY GUNS. WHEN YOU PRY THEM FROM MY COLD DEAD HANDS!!!

    REMINDED ME OF THAT XBOX 360 COMMERCIAL

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    AFTERSHOCK Male 18-29
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    July 17, 2008 at 3:18 pm
    http://www.i-am-bored.com/bored_link.cfm...
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    AFTERSHOCK Male 18-29
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    July 17, 2008 at 3:19 pm
    WHERE`S THE TIGER? WHERE`S THE TIGER?
    HERE`S THE TIGER!
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    maneaterx3 Female 13-17
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    July 17, 2008 at 3:20 pm
    i cried.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    July 17, 2008 at 3:47 pm
    A number of people from the USA are arguing that the relatively widespread ownership of guns *reduces* violent crime, especially killings, on the basis that potential attackers are deterred by the possibility that a potential victim might have a gun.

    So...compare the USA, where this argument applies with the UK, where it does not. Gun ownership has never been common in the UK other than shotguns fro farmers and it`s almost non-existent now. According to this argument, criminals in the UK can freely attack anyone, secure in the knowledge their victim won`t be armed.

    So why is the murder rate *per capita* three times higher in the USA than in the UK?

    Think about that - you`re arguing that the gun laws in the USA massively reduce homicides and the gun laws in the UK massively increase homicides, yet the homicide rate in the UK is a third of that in the USA.

    You are therefore arguing that the USA is many, many times more violent than the UK, far more than three times as violent.

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    Angilion Male 40-49
    12387 posts
    July 17, 2008 at 3:53 pm
    McGovern1981:

    The entire civil list, i.e. payments from public money to not just the queen but everyone else who gets any, costs 66p per person *per year*. Almost nothing. The country makes a massive profit from the monarchy, due to tourism. It would be more than worth the very small amount of money it costs even if we made no money from them, because it`s an important part of our heritage. The same goes for dukes, lords, etc, who cost the country nothing at all.

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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
    14268 posts
    July 17, 2008 at 4:34 pm
    So you pay for a person to sit on their A55 wave I`m sure it`s not the queen but more things like the palace and Big Ben that draw people. As for Harry potter have you never mistyped?
  100. Profile photo of Nazarene
    Nazarene Male 50-59
    187 posts
    July 17, 2008 at 4:36 pm
    "The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subject races to possess arms. History shows that all conquerors who have allowed their subject races to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by doing so."
    - Adolf Hitler
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    motownc Male 30-39
    219 posts
    July 17, 2008 at 4:36 pm
    You`re all arguing about gun ownership laws but it`s rarely ever mentioned that Canada has one of the highest rates of gun ownership per capita in the western world and yet has a relatively low murder rate.

    I blame the media, perception of threat increases the likelihood of reactionary crime. If people believe they are vulnerable they are more likely to react to situations in an excessive manner.

    I can`t comment on the US media but in the UK we are bombarded with rubbish from the tabloid newspapers to the point where you almost believe you will be stabbed or shot by an illegal immigrant paedophile junkie the minute you step out of your front door. In reality, over the last week, it`s only happened to me twice.

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    Nazarene Male 50-59
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    July 17, 2008 at 4:37 pm
    The measures adopted to restore public order are: First of all, the elimination of the so-called subversive elements. ... They were elements of disorder and subversion. On the morrow of each conflict I gave the categorical order to confiscate the largest possible number of weapons of every sort and kind. This confiscation, which continues with the utmost energy, has given satisfactory results."
    - Benito Mussolini
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    Nazarene Male 50-59
    187 posts
    July 17, 2008 at 4:39 pm
    Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the Act depriving a whole nation of arms as the blackest. If we want the Arms Act to be repealed, if we want to learn the use of arms, here is a golden opportunity. If the middle classes render voluntary help to Government in the hour of its trial, distrust will disappear, and the ban on possessing arms will be withdrawn."
    - Gandhi,
  104. Profile photo of motownc
    motownc Male 30-39
    219 posts
    July 17, 2008 at 4:46 pm
    Nazarene: It`s all very well copying quotes from historical figures but you can do that to back any standpoint. If you`re trying to use Gandhi as an advocate of private gun ownership then you are sadly mislead.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    July 17, 2008 at 4:48 pm
    ^^ Ummmm he did back private gun ownership.
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    motownc Male 30-39
    219 posts
    July 17, 2008 at 4:50 pm
    "Arms" in this context were military arms not the personal weapons of private individuals. The context of "depriving of the whole nation of arms" was the refusal of the British to conscript Indians into the British Army during the First World War. Gandhi was an extreme anti-militarist. The statement is odd coming out of him, but he used the circumstance for political purposes to advance the cause of Home Rule and Independence.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
    14268 posts
    July 17, 2008 at 4:52 pm
    Gandhi advocated non-violence but DID NOT preach cowardice, he said and I quote “I do believe that, where there is only a choice between cowardice and violence, I would advise violence… I would rather have India resort to arms in order to defend her honour than that she should, in a cowardly manner, become or remain a helpless witness to her own dishonor.” Gandhi goes on further to state “But I believe that nonviolence is infinitely superior to violence, forgiveness is more manly than punishment. Forgiveness adorns a soldier…But abstinence is forgiveness only when there is the power to punish; it is meaningless when it pretends to proceed from a helpless creature….”.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
    14268 posts
    July 17, 2008 at 4:54 pm
    When refering to India I would say that means citizens not just the military especially if the military isn`t put together well.
  109. Profile photo of Majase
    Majase Male 40-49
    249 posts
    July 17, 2008 at 4:58 pm
    Where do I find one of those "hand" guns?
    This piece I carry is bulky and awkward when trying to bust a cap in someone`s ass real quick-like. Damn thing gets hung up on my belt all time.
    Just pointing your fingers would make my life a damn sight easier.
  110. Profile photo of motownc
    motownc Male 30-39
    219 posts
    July 17, 2008 at 4:58 pm
    I never stated Gandhi preached cowardice. Strange choice of words, however, if it is cowardice to not possess a weapon for `self-protection`, then Gandhi certainly was a coward.
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    LOWK5695 Male 18-29
    30 posts
    July 17, 2008 at 5:06 pm
    "All of you morons saying everyone should carry guns and then none of this would happen.
    ARE YOU FU-CKING KIDDING ME? ARE YOU GENUINELY THAT MORONIC?

    Our guns offence are MASSIVELY under America`s."

    KikiJ u obviously havent been To places that allow the general public to own AND carry guns anywhere, there are DRAMATICALLY less gun or knife related crimes because criminals mostly prey on UNARMED people, if they came upon an armed man, then they run the risk of getting shot FIRST...

    Now if u had a mind in the first place, U wouldnt open your mouth stating wrongful "FACTS"

    We arent moronic as u say, WE KNOW HOW THE WORLD IS and how it should be....

    Now tell me, if u had a gun, what better chance do u have of being left alone, and wat better cahnce do u have of protecting yourself if u do come across someone that wants to attack you?

    Enough said

    TEAR LOWK 5695

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    davymid Male 30-39
    12140 posts
    July 17, 2008 at 5:15 pm
    Wow, I really like this video- very powerful message.

    If all we had to do was make a gun shape with our fingers and we could shoot people dead, in the heat of the moment, how many more gun deaths would there be?

    If we had absolutely no gun control, where EVERYONE would be packing a piece (which some people here advocate, incomprehensible and reprehensible as that may seem), we would have roughly the same situation. Bang Bang, you`re dead.

    Let`s not get caught up on statistics, lets imagine a situation:

    One of the biggest arguments for relaxed (or zero) gun control is the horrific shootings at Virginia Tech.

    The pro-gun lobby says "but if every single college student were packing a loaded handgun, imagine how many lives at VT could have been saved by stopping the shooter early!"

    I would say, "if single college student were packing a loaded handgun, imagine how many more Viginia Techs we`d have over every fired-up, heat-of-the-moment altercation".

  113. Profile photo of motownc
    motownc Male 30-39
    219 posts
    July 17, 2008 at 5:20 pm
    Between 1994 and 2003 52 armed US police officers were killed by unarmed criminals who took their own weapons from them. If people who are carrying firearms and trained in the use of firearms are still being killed then where is the protection?
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    davymid Male 30-39
    12140 posts
    July 17, 2008 at 5:22 pm
    ^^ "We arent moronic as u say, WE KNOW HOW THE WORLD IS and how it should be...."

    Lowk, I noticed you created your IAB account yesterday. Normally I reserve judgement on new posters until I get to know them a bit better. But in your case, I`m already convinced that you`re either a troll or a retard.

  115. Profile photo of Baelzar
    Baelzar Male 40-49
    1399 posts
    July 17, 2008 at 6:06 pm
    Let`s imagine a world without guns.

    It isn`t a very nice place.

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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
    4290 posts
    July 17, 2008 at 6:17 pm
    That`s nice. Now try imagining a world where only the police can have guns. Much better.

    Proliferation of guns leads to desensitisation (see the earlier comment about there being something wrong if you DON`T hear gunshots at night in LA).

    Desensitisation leads to the sort of situation illustrated in the clip, where people don`t think twice about drawing a weapon in the middle of any argument, such as the bike scenario.

    If the biker had had a gun as well, both parties would probably have ended up being shot.

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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
    4290 posts
    July 17, 2008 at 6:26 pm
    Consider Virginia Tech: If Cho had not been able to legally buy two handguns, would he have been able to carry out his attack? No. Would he have had the knowledge, the resources and the determination to acquire two handguns illegally on the black market? No.

    Would the two perpetrators of the Columbine school massacres have been able to buy the weapons from their friends if they weren`t readily available? No. Would they have bothered with the black market approach? No.

    In these cases they would probably have resorted to melee weapons like knives, which of course would have resulted in far fewer fatalities.

    Guns make killing people too easy.

  118. Profile photo of Baelzar
    Baelzar Male 40-49
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    July 17, 2008 at 6:31 pm
    "Now try imagining a world where only the police can have guns."

    There is no such world. You assume that everybody obeys the law.

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    yen223 Male 18-29
    342 posts
    July 17, 2008 at 7:58 pm
    Countries with less guns have less gun-related casualties.

    It`s so blindingly obvious I don`t even know why it`s still being debated.

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    splurbyburbl Male 30-39
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    July 17, 2008 at 8:10 pm
    SO, take away hand-guns and the homicides from stab wounds raise?? Interesting... I`ll tell you what idiots... All we need to do is give everyone labotomy`s and chop off their hands and feet. Then I bet the murder rate will really go down.

    Or!!!! You asshats over there can realize that people will kill each other no matter what, but if you are intrinsically good and wish to learn to defend yourself with the same tools your would-be murcerer has... then you should be able to do it with a f-ucking gun.

    I was the only white boy living off Esplanade in New Orleans for about a year... I had a gun IN MY HAND when I was outside (which is legal) nobody looked at me twice. I have never been shot at in the U.S. because people know I have the means to shoot back. Simple as that... just f-ing simple.

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    splurbyburbl Male 30-39
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    July 17, 2008 at 8:17 pm
    Oh and Almighty... you are just plain stupid... congratulations on that.

    In South Dakota it is legal for College students to carry concealed firearms into the classroom. How many school shootings have their been in that State? It`s not enough to just have a gun.. it comes with responsibility. There are numerous (and what should be mandatory) courses people can take to make them proficient in gun ownership and use. Trust me... if Verginia Tech happened in a South Dakota classroom, tragically one maybe two would have been killed, but that`s about it.

    Somewhere along the way your small brain seems to think that by making firearms illegal to own that criminals won`t be able to get them. Well, answer me this tool... if narcotics are illegal and you have them... what does that make you? A CRIMINAL? DING!!! CORRECT! And how many people do narcotics??

    Get your head out of your rear!

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    itsmyisliand Male 13-17
    12 posts
    July 17, 2008 at 9:00 pm
    its disgusting how some people are viewing this
    its not the black population thats causing it
    it wasnt intended to be
    it was made to show gun violience and related crimes, no matter what race
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    headbanger80 Male 13-17
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    July 17, 2008 at 9:17 pm
    i think everybody should cary guns so u can blast the sh-1ts outta the dude tryin 2 kill u
  124. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
    12387 posts
    July 17, 2008 at 10:29 pm
    McGovern1981: People come to see places such as Buckingham Palace because "the queen lives there". Far fewer would come to see places such as Buckingham Palace because "It looks nice". There is a lot of specifically royalty-related tourism. The queen also serves a quietly useful political purpose. She`s very good value for money, as well as being an important part of our heritage that would well worth 66p per year even if she didn`t turn a profit (which she does).

    We pay more for other people to do less. That`s politics.

    What about "Harry potter"?

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    Angilion Male 40-49
    12387 posts
    July 17, 2008 at 10:35 pm
    I notice that none of the pro-gun people even attempted to counter my post asking why they thought the USA was inherently many times more violent than the UK.

    How many more times, do you think? 20 times? 50 times?

    Because you *do* think that it is vastly more than 3 times more inherently violent. If you don`t realise that, you don`t even understand your own argument. Which I can believe is the case.

  126. Profile photo of Baelzar
    Baelzar Male 40-49
    1399 posts
    July 18, 2008 at 3:15 am
    Actually Agnilion, it is you who is confused.

    This isn`t about whether there`s more violence here, inherently or otherwise. There is.

    This isn`t about whether more guns means more gun violence. It does.

    This is about whether we`re willing to lay down arms, to be completely at the mercy of our government or any thug with a machete, in order to gain some temporary safety.

    We are not. And frankly, we don`t care if you don`t like it.

    You, and Canada, and Australia, have plenty of problems in your own countries, and it`s only going to get worse. Soon.

    You might want to pay attention to your own problems.

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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    July 18, 2008 at 5:25 am
    66p I take it you mean pound which is to us 132.13 thats a fair amount going to her and the faimly and I assure you we dont care about her we want to see the what the palace looks like. As for Harry potter I mean the boy who insulted me who has a resembalance to him. I`m also curious yes we do have a higher rate of violence but how many street gangs are in the UK I could fill this page with ones in the US and they dont get guns legally. Finally to those of you saying the 2nd amendment is dated it`s not and never will be it`s intention is to give citizens power to defend this country and to overthrow the government if it takes away our freedom which is why we started that little thing called the Revolutionary war.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    July 18, 2008 at 5:26 am
    *yes I probably mistyped something
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    July 18, 2008 at 9:20 am
    Baelzar, let me ask you this: threatening someone with a gun is still illegal in America, yes?

    So if you get into a fight with someone, you wouldn`t draw your gun, would you, because you`re a law-abiding citizen.

    But if you get into a fight with a criminal, they will draw their gun, because they aren`t a law-abiding citizen.

    So after they draw their gun, you wouldn`t go for yours, would you? Because as we all know, whoever gets their gun out first is in charge.

    So tell me, how would having a gun help you defend yourself in that situation? You would still lose your wallet, phone, keys etc plus the criminal would get another free gun as well. Now they`re even more heavily armed, making their next crime even easier to carry out.

    So where in that scenario does you being armed help in any way?

  130. Profile photo of Baelzar
    Baelzar Male 40-49
    1399 posts
    July 18, 2008 at 11:43 am
    If some thug got the drop on me, then yep, I`d likely be dead. Naturally, that assumes I`m blind, deaf, in the wrong neighborhood at 3am, etc. But it`s your stupid scenario.

    Of course, if some thug with a knife, or a pipe, or who`s simply bigger and meaner than you decides to rob _you_, you won`t have a chance. Further, he KNOWS you don`t have a gun, so he`s more likely to assault you in the first place.

    Your government has left you defenseless against criminals. It`s a criminal`s dream come true.

  131. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
    12387 posts
    July 18, 2008 at 4:11 pm
    I`ve read the thread, Baelzar. I suggest you do, too, as your ignorance about it has led you to make a fool of yourself.

    The line of argument I referred to started as early as the 4th post and is by far the most common line of argument put forward in favour of everyone, or at least most people, carrying guns.

    Your line of argument is irrelevant to it.

    You appear to be confusing yourself with this thread. Are you really that egotistical?

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    Angilion Male 40-49
    12387 posts
    July 18, 2008 at 4:17 pm
    McGovern1981: 66 pounds would be £66. 66p is 66 pence. 100 pence to the pound, like you use 100 cents to the dollar. So about US$1.32 in your money.

    Here in the UK, if I buy one hamburger from McDonalds, that`s one basic small hamburger, I`ve spent more than I spend on the entire civil list in a year (66p civil list, 69p hamburger).

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    Angilion Male 40-49
    12387 posts
    July 18, 2008 at 4:26 pm
    Oh, and the civil list doesn`t go to the queen. It refers to the entire cost of the whole monarchy, including paying the wages of the people who work for them (e.g. gardeners, secretaries, etc) as well as travel costs, the cost of visits by foreign diplomats, heads of state, etc. The whole thing. For less than the price of a hamburger. It`s a bargain.

    So...the monarchy costs buttons, it makes a huge profit for the country, it provides many jobs and most of the expenses would still exist even if we deposed the monarchy. Somebody would have to do all the diplomatic stuff the royals do, and that would still cost the same. It`s not like it`s a good idea to take an important foreign diplomat, let alone the head of state of another country, to McDonalds for a "happy meal" and slip them £50 to stay in a cheap hotel.

  134. Profile photo of Baelzar
    Baelzar Male 40-49
    1399 posts
    July 18, 2008 at 4:37 pm
    I`m trying to explain that your little argument is irrelevant. The entire argument. You are caught up in minutiae, and I don`t care to deal with small change. I`ve told you what you need to know about it.

    Now please, continue your gripping argument defending the royal family. That`s about your level.

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    onlocash Male 30-39
    22 posts
    July 19, 2008 at 12:33 am
    Violence: Think about it. The guns was a means just like a knife a bat a vehicle.The gun is convenience
    Take them away and It doesn`t change much does it..
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    tna Male 13-17
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    July 21, 2008 at 11:12 am
    from reading this i havve come to a simple and easy conclusion americans are idiots!
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    sup_dawg444 Male 18-29
    210 posts
    January 2, 2009 at 12:24 am
    tna
    From reading your comment, among many other comments from various Europeans, I have determined that most, if not all, Europeans have massive ego problems and are in denial from the rapidly approaching fact that Europe is steadily degrading and the economy is beginning to fall even faster than America`s, so rather than doing something about it they perpetuate it by either blaming it on America or just insulting all Americans.
    You know something, tna? I probably know more about Europe than you do.
  138. Profile photo of Genocyde
    Genocyde Male 30-39
    712 posts
    June 25, 2009 at 9:28 pm
    There were over 9,000 gun offenses in the UK last year? I thought all that anti-gun stuff was supposed to stop criminals. What happened?
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    August 9, 2011 at 2:50 pm
    oy vey

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