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221 Responses to Flight 93 Footage Evidence That it Was Shot Down?

  1. Profile photo of ShakeNBake
    ShakeNBake Male 18-29
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    July 8, 2008 at 5:34 pm
    Link: Flight 93 Footage Evidence That it Was Shot Down? - Rare news footage from the crash site of United Flight 93 which has never been seen since 9/11. The mystery continues?
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    DeeCache Male 18-29
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    July 8, 2008 at 6:38 pm
    Interestin...
  3. Profile photo of Tartaros
    Tartaros Male 18-29
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    July 8, 2008 at 6:39 pm
    that`s dumb, if a plane crashes head on into the ground at full speed, you`ll be lucky to see ANYTHING at all
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    JZ199 Male 18-29
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    July 8, 2008 at 6:40 pm
    I see absolutely no evidence that it was "shot down" at them speeds hitting the ground, of course you`re not going to see much of the plane left.
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    sporka Female 18-29
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    July 8, 2008 at 6:41 pm
    Hahaha, seriously?
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    loppyfoot Male 13-17
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    July 8, 2008 at 6:43 pm
    What does that video prove?
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    RoyCassanova Male 18-29
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    July 8, 2008 at 6:44 pm
    Obviously President Bush shot it down, parachuted onto the plane, killed every one on it, took the wheel, steered it down to the ground, crashed it, and ran off laughing from the debris. drat republicans!

    Seriously though, that thing hit full speed into the ground, as Tartaros said, you`d be lucky to see anything left.

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    Shellie84 Female 18-29
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    July 8, 2008 at 6:46 pm
    not true. Even the worst plane crashes in history have at least left an engine behind... albiet kilometres away, but there is usually something left behind
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    primetimekin Male 18-29
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    July 8, 2008 at 6:48 pm
    I will close my eyes and say they brought down the plane bravely. If they did shoot it down it was probably for national interest (such as it hitting a building) but which is funner to believe?
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    rissarose Female 18-29
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    July 8, 2008 at 6:48 pm
    I`m so tired of all these 9/11 conspiracies. Tartaros, JZ, Roy, etc. - thanks; it`s good to know that there are still some sane people out there.
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    RoyCassanova Male 18-29
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    July 8, 2008 at 6:48 pm
    yes but those crashes were with some one trying to stop it and have a safe landing.
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    qquuaacckk Male 18-29
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    July 8, 2008 at 6:50 pm
    ohh boy get ready for the barrage because a comment war is about to begin.
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    sporka Female 18-29
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    July 8, 2008 at 6:50 pm
    Also: kilometers away? Like not in the one tiny area with the crater?
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    qquuaacckk Male 18-29
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    July 8, 2008 at 6:53 pm
    there is such little basis for 9/11 conspiracies, people are willing to believe them and yet demand mountains of evidence to support the original explanation.
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    pyrojen27 Female 18-29
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    July 8, 2008 at 6:53 pm
    Ok, let`s say they did shoot it down. So? It was another hijacked plane headed to the White House or wherever. Of course the government would have shot at it. Then the hero stories came out, and they used that instead of having to admit that they were forced to shoot at innocent civilians.
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    Shellie84 Female 18-29
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    July 8, 2008 at 6:54 pm
    google plane crashes, worst plane crashes in history even. There is always some form of large debris (aside from the towers incident) I`m not into conspiricies that much. I find them amusing, but someone name me 5 cases where a plane has been totally obliterated, because I haven`t seen any over the years (again, aside from 9/11)
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    Tartaros Male 18-29
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    July 8, 2008 at 6:56 pm
    yes but those crashes were with some one trying to stop it and have a safe landing.
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    ummm no, the hijackers in that plane found out that the passengers were planning to take over, so the pilot crashed it head first into the ground.
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    docwatson Male 18-29
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    July 8, 2008 at 6:56 pm
    There are pictures of debris on the UA Flight 93 Wikipedia page (here). One is of an engine, another is of part of the fuselage. So there was indeed larger pieces of debris at the site. FYI, the plane was reported going at least 563 mph, and one source says at 40 degrees inverted (on its back).
  19. Profile photo of Shellie84
    Shellie84 Female 18-29
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    July 8, 2008 at 6:59 pm
    ahh cool, thanks docwatson! See there is always large debris in a crash! From that footage of the post it seemed to me that there was nothing around apart from lil book sized bits of stuff
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    ASATC Male 30-39
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    July 8, 2008 at 6:59 pm
    How does no debris prove that it was shot down? A missle would not obliterate the plane either.
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    gothgirl69 Female 18-29
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    July 8, 2008 at 7:13 pm
    in the beginning if you look at the dirt patter on the gound you can seeand imprint the plain left. and it looks like the plain was whole when it "disapered."
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    LoofahBoy Male 18-29
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    July 8, 2008 at 7:14 pm
    Okay, fine. Here`s a suggestion.

    How about stopping this 9/11 conspiracy bullpoo, and respect the men and women who died that day?

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    Perfectdrift Male 30-39
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    July 8, 2008 at 7:18 pm
    I call BS shellie; You`re using "absolutes" - ..."there is `ALWAYS` large debris...". Not true, not true at all. Google away - it won`t hurt nor harm your case. But the REALITY is that many plane crashes involving large commercial airliners there is a surprising LACK of "large" debris. It`s a result of simple physics; F=MxA or Force equals Mass times Acceleration. When something that large hits something that is surprisingly non-resilient (say, oh...the ground) you end up with things pulverized. And no, I`m not making this up. In many of the most publicized airliner crashes, there was virtually NO "large" debris - it`s a result of an airliner hitting the ground at near-nose-down and high speed. Things compress and explode. Check out the findings and footage of crashes of airliners near Pittsburgh and...Denver? Salt Lake City? (working off the top of my head here...).
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    kimosabi Female 13-17
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    July 8, 2008 at 7:25 pm
    i dont get it. does it really matteR?
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    pizzabob18 Male 18-29
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    July 8, 2008 at 7:26 pm
    I`m not a 9-11 conspirator, although this one plane crash, with it`s "shot down rumors" still have many people including me puzzled.

    The wiki article docwatson linked to proved a lot of proofs of wreckage found, and most of it is official which is a refreshing change.

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    kimosabi Female 13-17
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    July 8, 2008 at 7:26 pm
    i dont get it. does it really matteR?
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    kimosabi Female 13-17
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    July 8, 2008 at 7:29 pm
    i dont get it. does it really matteR?
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    Dylan5121 Male 13-17
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    July 8, 2008 at 7:36 pm
    You would see something left larger than that, look at other plane crashes guys, don`t just assume like most of you are doing.
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    Tartaros Male 18-29
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    July 8, 2008 at 7:36 pm
    yes it does matter, it proves that G.W.Bush (Code Name: ANNA) is a mechanized robot ninja from the planet England. Who in turn launched a missle from his nuclear powered gatling gun and shot it down.
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    romboy Male 18-29
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    July 8, 2008 at 7:38 pm
    Thanks docwatson, Granted I do believe Bush used this as an excuse to eventually invade Iraq, this is just bullpoo. Let`s get some respect for the families and victims.
  31. Profile photo of Tartaros
    Tartaros Male 18-29
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    July 8, 2008 at 7:39 pm
    You would see something left larger than that, look at other plane crashes guys, don`t just assume like most of you are doing.
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    Physics: It helps
  32. Profile photo of Tartaros
    Tartaros Male 18-29
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    July 8, 2008 at 7:40 pm
    Thanks docwatson, Granted I do believe Bush used this as an excuse to eventually invade Iraq, this is just bullpoo. Let`s get some respect for the families and victims.
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    You forgot idk... the other 2 planes that crashed into the World Trade Center? I would think bringing down the Twin Towers would be more than enough reason to go to war.
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    EstiloPanama Female 18-29
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    July 8, 2008 at 7:43 pm
    LOL

    You people are funny. You put too much faith in the government.

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    EstiloPanama Female 18-29
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    July 8, 2008 at 7:44 pm
    "I would think bringing down the Twin Towers would be more than enough reason to go to war."

    Big, huge LOL moment there...

    Haha. =)

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    iamthehair Male 18-29
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    July 8, 2008 at 7:46 pm
    ok who ever said find me a flight with little debris other than 93
    last time I checked TWA flight 800 didn`t have a lot
  36. Profile photo of splurbyburbl
    splurbyburbl Male 30-39
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    July 8, 2008 at 7:54 pm
    I was stationed at Andrews AFB as a Marine when 9/11 happened. (Andrews is home of Air Firce One) There simply is no controversy here folks. I do believe the plane got shot down, I really do. But let`s look at the facts.

    It was hi-jacked so the terrorists would have sent the plane in a nose dive and that`s why there is nothing left of the plane. Other plane crashes in history have had larger debris left behind because the pilots would try their best to level the plane and land safely during an emergency. So the whole argument that "there is nothing left therefore it MUST have been shot down" does not hold weight.

    Although I do think it was only because I was there when they scrambled the jets with live ordinance from our base. If they shot it down then they did the right thing. That is why its no controversy. That plane could have done more damage were it not shot down.

    The next day I helped at the Pentagon with clean-up... not a pretty sight... that was a plane too!

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    Lionhart2 Male 40-49
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    July 8, 2008 at 7:55 pm
    Cmon, open your eyes... if you look really carefully at the video at the 1:03 mark, you can clearly see an Alien UFO beaming pieces of debris up and performing strange medical experiments on them. So all this proves is that the Aliens got there first, not surprising since their Secret Base at Atlantis is not far from there.
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    TheBLB Male 18-29
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    July 8, 2008 at 8:00 pm
    I am actually blown away by how many people in here believe that 9/11 was for real. Are you joking?

    Is that just patriotism, or fear, or what? Because to the rest of the world, your leader looks like a criminal and this debate looks like it should have been ove 4 years ago.

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    pizzabob18 Male 18-29
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    July 8, 2008 at 8:01 pm
    never thought of the nose dive theory before, thanks splurbyburbl. It`s good to know there are others like who believe it got shot down, while still understanding that it was indeed hijacked by terrorists.
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    d0wnward Female 18-29
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    July 8, 2008 at 8:09 pm
    "9/11" was their excuse to go to war with Iraq for oil.
    The end
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    Shellie84 Female 18-29
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    July 8, 2008 at 8:14 pm
    Perfectdrift - docwatson rebuted what I said and I thanked him for showing me that there was large debris in the accident. Get over it
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    primetimekin Male 18-29
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    July 8, 2008 at 8:19 pm
    ""9/11" was their excuse to go to war with Iraq for oil.
    The end"
    Proof?
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    starchsgirl Female 18-29
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    July 8, 2008 at 8:20 pm
    first of all if the plane was shot down (I don`t think it was), it is possible that there would be little to no large debris. Second, this video is probably before they really got a chance to investigate the crash site. I live near Shanksville, and actually heard this plane go down. Investigators probably got there around the same time the news crews did, so they probably weren`t sure exactly what they were going to find anyways.
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    patthebaker Male 18-29
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    July 8, 2008 at 8:21 pm
    this is bs get these conspiracy therist videos off iab
  45. Profile photo of Shellie84
    Shellie84 Female 18-29
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    July 8, 2008 at 8:29 pm
    ^^ it takes all sorts to make the world go round pat :)
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    Fockinator Male 18-29
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    July 8, 2008 at 8:32 pm
    Explain this.
  47. Profile photo of Tartaros
    Tartaros Male 18-29
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    July 8, 2008 at 8:33 pm
    "I would think bringing down the Twin Towers would be more than enough reason to go to war."
    Big, huge LOL moment there...

    Haha. =)

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    Why is that funny? Please tell me, were your loved ones in that tower when they fell? huh? Don`t laugh at a terrible event you heartless prick

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    hockeyguy14 Male 18-29
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    July 8, 2008 at 8:36 pm
    I am actually blown away by how many people in here believe that 9/11 was for real. Are you joking?
    Is that just patriotism, or fear, or what? Because to the rest of the world, your leader looks like a criminal and this debate looks like it should have been ove 4 years ago.
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    dude i totally agree with you america`s leader looks like a huge criminal to the rest of the world it`s kind of funny actually.

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    Tartaros Male 18-29
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    July 8, 2008 at 8:36 pm
    LOL
    You people are funny. You put too much faith in the government.
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    If you don`t like how things are done in America, GTFO and go live in another country ty.
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    hockeyguy14 Male 18-29
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    July 8, 2008 at 8:38 pm
    ""9/11" was their excuse to go to war with Iraq for oil.
    The end"
    Proof?
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    lol proof? well let`s see... 9/11 happened then america went to war with iraq and when the war is over (which america will probably win) they will suddenly have more oil. hmm wonder where it came from?
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    ponyrunswild Female 13-17
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    July 8, 2008 at 8:38 pm
    I respect everyone who died on September 11th, 2001 including those who died as a result of the the events that took place in the United States that tragic day.
    However, c`mon. Are you serious? I think that you all need to watch Loose Change and this other video where people are in outrage at Mayor Rudy about what happened. They are amazing. I don`t care what many may say, I have my own beliefs.
  52. Profile photo of Tartaros
    Tartaros Male 18-29
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    July 8, 2008 at 8:40 pm
    lol proof? well let`s see... 9/11 happened then america went to war with iraq and when the war is over (which america will probably win) they will suddenly have more oil. hmm wonder where it came from?
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    America is there to find Bin Laden and the terrorists, not take over the whole country you idiot.
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    Tartaros Male 18-29
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    July 8, 2008 at 8:42 pm
    Also, if you see those videos, those terrorists were beheading "Americans" and recording it then sending it to us. Don`t you think that kinda mocks America? and believe that we won`t do anything about it?
  54. Profile photo of Tartaros
    Tartaros Male 18-29
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    July 8, 2008 at 8:44 pm
    To the Canadians: If people were killing canadian people and sending you video tapes of the executions as proof, wouldn`t you be pissed?
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    SammyCyanide Female 18-29
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    July 8, 2008 at 8:45 pm
    I just don`t care about this crap anymore.
    There are so many "leaked" videos about it, theories, compilations. I wonder why we feel the need to look for answers, for some kind of justification.
    Fact: Over a thousand people died
    Fact: We will never know exactly what happened
    Fact: Even if we were to call BS, what good would it do? It won`t bring anyone back.
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    hockeyguy14 Male 18-29
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    July 8, 2008 at 8:45 pm
    America is there to find Bin Laden and the terrorists, not take over the whole country you idiot.
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    haha omg your so caught up with america`s propaganda it`s funny. how do you know bin laden was behind 9/11? because thats what the government said? funny how bin laden and george W bush were friends before 9/11.

  57. Profile photo of Tartaros
    Tartaros Male 18-29
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    July 8, 2008 at 8:47 pm
    haha omg your so caught up with america`s propaganda it`s funny. how do you know bin laden was behind 9/11? because thats what the government said? funny how bin laden and george W bush were friends before 9/11.
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    I won`t even reply to that comment, please look at a history book if you even read one.

    Also, read up about terrorists in idk... "Iraq" that executed Americans <- That`s fact and more than enough to get rid of them

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    hockeyguy14 Male 18-29
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    July 8, 2008 at 8:47 pm
    To the Canadians: If people were killing canadian people and sending you video tapes of the executions as proof, wouldn`t you be pissed?
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    yes we would be very pissed. But unlike Americans, Canadians dont feel the need to try to police the world, and we wouldn`t go invade their country.
  59. Profile photo of Tartaros
    Tartaros Male 18-29
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    July 8, 2008 at 8:48 pm
    Also, I was stationed there and I`ve seen those bodies hanging from a bridge headless, you tell me that is fake? and propaganda?
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    Rise23Up Male 18-29
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    July 8, 2008 at 8:48 pm
    "Funny how bin laden and george W bush were friends before 9/11."
    poo like that happens all the time between world leaders.. Look at Castro before his dictatorship..

    Also, how do you know they were `friends?`
    Did you attend weekly poker games with them or something? Their sleepovers?

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    caboose117 Male 13-17
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    July 8, 2008 at 8:48 pm
    The problem with loose change, is that they only view one side of the arguement, they see they are an "unbiased" view that gives "the full picture" but what they really do is just take things out of context. In my APUSH class, we watched the loose change video. And my history teacher provided all the info they just "happened" to leave out, pretty much making every arguement null and void.

    Some conspiracies may be real, perhaps partaining to JFK, or something like that, but with 9/11, there is so little ground for truth, that you`re just being skeptic.

  62. Profile photo of Tartaros
    Tartaros Male 18-29
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    July 8, 2008 at 8:49 pm
    yes we would be very pissed. But unlike Americans, Canadians dont feel the need to try to police the world, and we wouldn`t go invade their country.
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    That`s not right... that is like letting someone step on you and you do nothing about it?
  63. Profile photo of hockeyguy14
    hockeyguy14 Male 18-29
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    July 8, 2008 at 8:51 pm
    and also.. their are Canadians over seas in iraq that are dying in a war that your country started.
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    Fockinator Male 18-29
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    July 8, 2008 at 8:52 pm
    "Fact: Over a thousand people died
    Fact: We will never know exactly what happened
    Fact: Even if we were to call BS, what good would it do? It won`t bring anyone back."

    Hopefully a fact: If someone were to murder your entire family and left no evidence or leads, you would still want the police to investigate.

    The government`s explanation wasn`t supported by sufficient enough evidence to satisfy everyone`s questions about the attack...So people will continue to dig deeper and deeper and so of the evidence that`s been found is quite interesting.

    For everyone calling all conspiracies and such as bullpoo. Please explain this.

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    SammyCyanide Female 18-29
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    July 8, 2008 at 8:52 pm
    and also.. their are Canadians over seas in iraq that are dying in a war that your country started.


    They had a choice. It`s not like we brought back the draft. Maybe you should think before you type and realize that other people reserve the right to die for whatever they want:

    Jesus etc...

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    Tartaros Male 18-29
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    July 8, 2008 at 8:53 pm
    America helped Iran to push back the soviets, in turn we gave them weapons which would later be used against us. After we helped them push back the soviets, they got into the mindset of "If we can defeat one super power, we can defeat another" so they turned to America which they thought of course was the "Great Satan" and planned to attack us.
  67. Profile photo of hockeyguy14
    hockeyguy14 Male 18-29
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    July 8, 2008 at 8:53 pm
    That`s not right... that is like letting someone step on you and you do nothing about it?
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    im not saying that we would do nothing about it. I`m just saying i think their are better ways to go about it instead of right away going to war where thousands of more people will die, when maybe it could of been avoided.

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    SammyCyanide Female 18-29
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    July 8, 2008 at 8:53 pm
    Hopefully a fact: If someone were to murder your entire family and left no evidence or leads, you would still want the police to investigate.


    No. It wouldn`t help me at all. They`re dead. No one is going to bring them back. Electric chairs, murder suicides, evidence, conspirators. Nothing will ever bring them back.

  69. Profile photo of Tartaros
    Tartaros Male 18-29
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    July 8, 2008 at 8:55 pm
    im not saying that we would do nothing about it. I`m just saying i think their are better ways to go about it instead of right away going to war where thousands of more people will die, when maybe it could of been avoided
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    We have technology, they don`t. Not thousands are dieing (only on their side).
  70. Profile photo of Tartaros
    Tartaros Male 18-29
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    July 8, 2008 at 8:56 pm
    one of our tanks can destroy 5+ of theirs. (That`s ownage) A-1 Abrams tank ftw
  71. Profile photo of hockeyguy14
    hockeyguy14 Male 18-29
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    July 8, 2008 at 8:56 pm
    They had a choice. It`s not like we brought back the draft. Maybe you should think before you type and realize that other people reserve the right to die for whatever they want:

    Jesus etc...
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    The Canadian soldiers aren`t in iraq to help America try to police the middle east. We arwe there to peace keep.

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    SammyCyanide Female 18-29
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    July 8, 2008 at 8:56 pm
    Anyway, what is everyone`s anti-war hippie solution to this crap anyway?

    Switching to go-green lights or something?
    THIS ISN`T AN ATTACK
    I`m just saying, what`s the alternative? What would you have done when the phone was ringing at 3 AM?

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    hockeyguy14 Male 18-29
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    July 8, 2008 at 8:58 pm
    We have technology, they don`t. Not thousands are dieing (only on their side).
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    right.. which is why over 4000 american troops have died since the beginning of the war?
  74. Profile photo of Tartaros
    Tartaros Male 18-29
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    July 8, 2008 at 8:58 pm
    The Canadian soldiers aren`t in iraq to help America try to police the middle east. We arwe there to peace keep
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    You can`t solve things with words all the time.
    Bin Laden said it himself "America will lose because we love death, and they love life".

    Going up against an enemy that doesn`t care to die? They are already brain-washed, if you see their schools, they are bobbing their heads, reading the Koran all day. Brain-washed from childhood.

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    Tartaros Male 18-29
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    July 8, 2008 at 8:59 pm
    right.. which is why over 4000 american troops have died since the beginning of the war?
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    most of the deaths resulted in sneak attacks like suicide/road-side bombs, not actual fighting sorry.
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    SammyCyanide Female 18-29
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    July 8, 2008 at 9:01 pm
    most of the deaths resulted in sneak attacks like suicide/road-side bombs, not actual fighting sorry.

    It`s true. A good friend of mine was over there. They don`t have weaponry comparable to our`s. It`s thoroughly outdated. Their advantages are sneak attacks trickery.

  77. Profile photo of hockeyguy14
    hockeyguy14 Male 18-29
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    July 8, 2008 at 9:01 pm
    Switching to go-green lights or something?
    THIS ISN`T AN ATTACK
    I`m just saying, what`s the alternative? What would you have done when the phone was ringing at 3 AM?
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    I don`t know what i would have done but i would have at least tried to consider other options then war right away wouldn`t you? Shouldn`t war be a last option?

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    tano Male 18-29
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    July 8, 2008 at 9:01 pm
    You guys can all say what you want, but absolutely none of you actually know 100% what happened that day. Your opinions are appealing to authoritative figures and other news media. They could be telling you a straight up lie and you would never know it. But they could also be telling the complete truth and there would still be people denying their explanation. There`s so many stupid people on the internet...
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    Fockinator Male 18-29
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    July 8, 2008 at 9:02 pm
    "No. It wouldn`t help me at all. They`re dead. No one is going to bring them back. Electric chairs, murder suicides, evidence, conspirators. Nothing will ever bring them back."

    That`s very interesting. Really through me a curve ball. I figured it was built somewhere in the human mind to want justification for a personal loss. I`m not saying electric chair, I`m saying explanation. Knowing why something happened is pretty important to preventing that same thing from happening in the future.

  80. Profile photo of Tartaros
    Tartaros Male 18-29
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    July 8, 2008 at 9:03 pm
    You guys can all say what you want, but absolutely none of you actually know 100% what happened that day. Your opinions are appealing to authoritative figures and other news media. They could be telling you a straight up lie and you would never know it. But they could also be telling the complete truth and there would still be people denying their explanation. There`s so many stupid people on the internet...
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    The American`s body hanging from that bridge that I saw personally, was more than enough proof tyvm.
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    hockeyguy14 Male 18-29
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    July 8, 2008 at 9:03 pm
    You can`t solve things with words all the time.
    Bin Laden said it himself "America will lose because we love death, and they love life".
    Going up against an enemy that doesn`t care to die? They are already brain-washed, if you see their schools, they are bobbing their heads, reading the Koran all day. Brain-washed from childhood.
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    And like it`s really different in north america? Kids are being told that the war which has affected so man yis all 100% iraqs fault

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    SammyCyanide Female 18-29
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    July 8, 2008 at 9:04 pm
    Hence if there is a Jesus and he were to come back we`d completely denounce him. We aren`t stupid. We`re too smart for our own good. Something awesome on video/photo? It`s been shopped. News article? BS. It`s human. Not stupidity.

    To Hockeyguy, I don`t know what I would have done either, but when you`re a president who has the choice to pass or veto bills passed by learned senators in congress who are representatives of every state then I dunno. I don`t see an alternative to war. I don`t. If their was a magical way to fix everything, I`d wish for it. Truth is, there will never be peace as long as there are weapons. As long as someone disagrees with someone else.

    WE ARE AT WAR WITH EACHOTHER.
    Arguing. About war. Welcome to reality.

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    Tartaros Male 18-29
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    July 8, 2008 at 9:05 pm
    And like it`s really different in north america? Kids are being told that the war which has affected so man yis all 100% iraqs fault
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    yes it is different, they aren`t being raised as terrorists/suicide bombers are they? do you see americans running around blowing themselves up?
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    hockeyguy14 Male 18-29
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    July 8, 2008 at 9:05 pm
    most of the deaths resulted in sneak attacks like suicide/road-side bombs, not actual fighting sorry.
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    like it matters? even if a soldier died because of a suicde bombing, he is still a casualty of war. guarantee if that soldier was at home he wouldn`t be killed by a suicide bomber.

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    SammyCyanide Female 18-29
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    July 8, 2008 at 9:05 pm
    That`s very interesting. Really through me a curve ball. I figured it was built somewhere in the human mind to want justification for a personal loss. I`m not saying electric chair, I`m saying explanation. Knowing why something happened is pretty important to preventing that same thing from happening in the future.


    I don`t mean to sound cold hearted, but I`m not one for that kind of thing. Maybe I`m weird like that. I respect all of you looking for answers, wanting to know the truth but keep looking. Don`t believe what anyone else says. Find the answers for yourself, not in videos.

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    Tartaros Male 18-29
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    July 8, 2008 at 9:06 pm
    Fact: If we didn`t go to war, the terriorsts would grow in numbers, and eventually attack America regardless of propaganda or not.
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    hockeyguy14 Male 18-29
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    July 8, 2008 at 9:07 pm
    yes it is different, they aren`t being raised as terrorists/suicide bombers are they? do you see americans running around blowing themselves up?
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    No, but i see americans running to join the army to kill and be killed because of what they were taught.

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    Tartaros Male 18-29
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    July 8, 2008 at 9:08 pm
    No, but i see americans running to join the army to kill and be killed because of what they were taught.
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    Well of course, they are `Terrorists` if you don`t know what that word means look it up. Someone has to get rid of them right? Not everyone is a coward
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    July 8, 2008 at 9:08 pm
    "Fact: If we didn`t go to war, the terriorsts would grow in numbers, and eventually attack America regardless of propaganda or not."
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    Fact: Predictions aren`t fact.

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    Tartaros Male 18-29
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    July 8, 2008 at 9:09 pm
    Terrorists intend to terrorize and we will not be terrorized.
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    July 8, 2008 at 9:09 pm
    To Hockeyguy, I don`t know what I would have done either, but when you`re a president who has the choice to pass or veto bills passed by learned senators in congress who are representatives of every state then I dunno. I don`t see an alternative to war. I don`t. If their was a magical way to fix everything, I`d wish for it. Truth is, there will never be peace as long as there are weapons. As long as someone disagrees with someone else.

    WE ARE AT WAR WITH EACHOTHER.
    Arguing. About war. Welcome to reality.
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    I can`t think of an other solution either, i just think that there has to be one somehow...

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    Tartaros Male 18-29
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    July 8, 2008 at 9:09 pm
    Fact: Predictions aren`t fact.
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    So those terrorists that call us the "Great Satan" will do nothing to back up their words?
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    hockeyguy14 Male 18-29
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    July 8, 2008 at 9:11 pm
    Well of course, they are `Terrorists` if you don`t know what that word means look it up. Someone has to get rid of them right? Not everyone is a coward
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    Well i guarantee every iraqi soldier is thinking the exact same thing you are. The only difference is his country is the one being invaded not yours.

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    purged Male 30-39
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    July 8, 2008 at 9:12 pm
    I agree with a lot of people here in that.. who cares? Why does it matter at this point? That being said, I have a relative who was working in the pentagon on 9/11, I have heard the stories over and over about that day.. that everyone in the pentagon knew that the order went out to shoot that plane down. You people denying that it was shot down are the ones kidding yourselves.. there are hundreds of reports of burning debris falling from the sky, from people who didn`t even know what was going on.. People with no agenda are calling police reporting burning debris falling from the sky.. sounds kinda like it was shot down no? I honestly don`t care, I think they should have shot it down, I just think they should just man up and admit it..
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    Tartaros Male 18-29
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    July 8, 2008 at 9:12 pm
    Well i guarantee every iraqi soldier is thinking the exact same thing you are. The only difference is his country is the one being invaded not yours.
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    Wrong, it`s terrorists, we actually gave those iraqi soldiers a chance to clear out the terrorists themselves, but they couldn`t handle it
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    Fockinator Male 18-29
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    July 8, 2008 at 9:14 pm
    "So those terrorists that call us the "Great Satan" will do nothing to back up their words?"
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    They sure might back up their words, but it`s only a prediction. You can`t assume that if we left them alone they would come over here and destroy our country. Do you think we are honestly putting a stop to all forms of terrorism by fighting this war? We are just as prone to terrorism now as we would be if not fighting this war.

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    splurbyburbl Male 30-39
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    July 8, 2008 at 9:15 pm
    strange a lot of people believe the government is spewing propaganda. The other things like Loose Change are the same things.

    What is most sad, however, is that most of these people just watch things like loose change and see that the creator of that video put everything into what seems to be a tight little package that all makes sense. A critical thinker would watch all the news, read all the journals, study up on things like `the melting point of steal` etc. and also watch all the conspiracy stuff. A logical mind would see through the BS and realise there is no conspiracy at all.

    People so desperately want to get behind something bigger than themselves even at the cost of betraying their own country. To be a voice of opposition turns heads and gets you noticed. Those of us who support our Gov. are branded as mindless sheep. We are not...and believe me, we will fight to the death.

    Iraq 2003-05 Kosovo 2001-2002 and many more...

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    Tartaros Male 18-29
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    July 8, 2008 at 9:15 pm
    They sure might back up their words, but it`s only a prediction. You can`t assume that if we left them alone they would come over here and destroy our country. Do you think we are honestly putting a stop to all forms of terrorism by fighting this war? We are just as prone to terrorism now as we would be if not fighting this war.
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    well, I guess that`s why I have to stand for 8 freaking hours in line at the airport to be checked for any weapons of any kind. yeah we are more prone to being attacked
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    hockeyguy14 Male 18-29
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    July 8, 2008 at 9:18 pm
    Wrong, it`s terrorists, we actually gave those iraqi soldiers a chance to clear out the terrorists themselves, but they couldn`t handle it
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    you kind of sound like one of those american`s who thinks that if you just nuke iraq that would be a win.

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    purged Male 30-39
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    July 8, 2008 at 9:18 pm
    how much research have you done splurbyburbl.. let me guess you think global warming is a myth too right?
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    July 8, 2008 at 9:19 pm
    you kind of sound like one of those american`s who thinks that if you just nuke iraq that would be a win.
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    not nuke, it`s why we have to go house-to-house to locate the terrorists, we don`t want to demolish the whole city.
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    Tartaros Male 18-29
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    July 8, 2008 at 9:19 pm
    how much research have you done splurbyburbl.. let me guess you think global warming is a myth too right?
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    If global warming happens, we will just evolve and adapt, no worries.
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    Fockinator Male 18-29
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    July 8, 2008 at 9:20 pm
    "well, I guess that`s why I have to stand for 8 freaking hours in line at the airport to be checked for any weapons of any kind. yeah we are more prone to being attacked"
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    I didn`t say we were more prone. In fact, you got me, we are LESS prone from terrorist using a plane. Is that the only form of terrorism? Are we doing a whole lot right now to prevent terrorist from using bombs in our country? Would it be impossible for suicide bombers to start appearing in the U.S? Teenagers are making pipe bombs, what could a few grown men with proper funding and instruction do?

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    hockeyguy14 Male 18-29
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    July 8, 2008 at 9:21 pm
    People so desperately want to get behind something bigger than themselves even at the cost of betraying their own country. To be a voice of opposition turns heads and gets you noticed. Those of us who support our Gov. are branded as mindless sheep. We are not...and believe me, we will fight to the death.
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    It`s not betraying your country though if it`s all true.

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    Tartaros Male 18-29
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    July 8, 2008 at 9:22 pm
    That is true, which brings the argument about public schools in this country but that is for a later discussion. I personally think that if terrorists decided to use a boat here, it would take too long, and by that time the coast guard will have checked them out.
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    hockeyguy14 Male 18-29
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    July 8, 2008 at 9:22 pm
    not nuke, it`s why we have to go house-to-house to locate the terrorists, we don`t want to demolish the whole city.
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    except for the fact that the city your in is already demolished because of the war.

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    CBFLATLINE Male 40-49
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    July 8, 2008 at 9:24 pm
    BULLpoo!!!

    I was a Paramedic at the flight 93 crash. SHAKENBAKE..

    Let me say this perfectly clear...

    YOU ARE A LIAR!!!

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    CBFLATLINE Male 40-49
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    July 8, 2008 at 9:24 pm
    NOT POO!!!
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    Tartaros Male 18-29
    71 posts
    July 8, 2008 at 9:24 pm
    BULLpoo!!!
    I was a Paramedic at the flight 93 crash. SHAKENBAKE..

    Let me say this perfectly clear...

    YOU ARE A LIAR!!!
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    lol, nah it was snakes on the plane

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    Groogle Male 30-39
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    July 8, 2008 at 9:24 pm
    It`s not proof that the plane was shot down. More like evidence that it may have been shot down.

    Other plausible explination would be that it was not a plane at all but a missile disguised as a plane. The missing passengers would have been taken and used somehow. ( Brainwashed or grinded into mcDonald burger meat, your call )

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    CBFLATLINE Male 40-49
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    July 8, 2008 at 9:25 pm
    YOU KNOW WHAT WORD I MEANT!!!
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    Groogle Male 30-39
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    July 8, 2008 at 9:25 pm
    Or maybe we`re just being paranoiac.

    Lmfao.

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    Tartaros Male 18-29
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    July 8, 2008 at 9:25 pm
    It`s not proof that the plane was shot down. More like evidence that it may have been shot down.
    Other plausible explination would be that it was not a plane at all but a missile disguised as a plane. The missing passengers would have been taken and used somehow. ( Brainwashed or grinded into mcDonald burger meat, your call )
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    Don`t diss the McDonald, that`s a patty-flipping clown.
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    splurbyburbl Male 30-39
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    July 8, 2008 at 9:26 pm
    how much research have you done splurbyburbl.. let me guess you think global warming is a myth too right?
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    Wrong. If you do all the research and are logical you will realize global warming is happening now just like it did at certain intervals throughout history. What I know is not a fact is that it was caused by humans. This is to say that yes we contribute on a small scale, but it is not measureably significant. It would have happened anyway`s.
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    CBFLATLINE Male 40-49
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    July 8, 2008 at 9:26 pm
    TAT I HAVE NOTHING TO SAY TO YOU.


    YOU ARE A DICK

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    purged Male 30-39
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    July 8, 2008 at 9:26 pm
    has anyone ever taken a train into nyc? I take trains from philly, upstate new york.. into NYC all the time.. with lots of luggage..and no one ever checks any of it.. right into penn station. anyone could easily walk in there with a bomb..
  117. Profile photo of Tartaros
    Tartaros Male 18-29
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    July 8, 2008 at 9:27 pm
    Wrong. If you do all the research and are logical you will realize global warming is happening now just like it did at certain intervals throughout history. What I know is not a fact is that it was caused by humans. This is to say that yes we contribute on a small scale, but it is not measureably significant. It would have happened anyway`s.
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    I agree with splur, I saw a graph somewhere of the Earth`s temperature levels and they keep jumping up and down throughout the course of a few thousand years.
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    Groogle Male 30-39
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    July 8, 2008 at 9:28 pm
    purged, do you really think a terrorist wants to kill you?

    If terrorists would really have bombs and balls like the media make them look like the president would be the first to die.

    Nuff said.

  119. Profile photo of Tartaros
    Tartaros Male 18-29
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    July 8, 2008 at 9:29 pm
    purged, do you really think a terrorist wants to kill you?
    If terrorists would really have bombs and balls like the media make them look like the president would be the first to die.

    Nuff said.
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    G.W.Bush is too retarded, they would feel sorry for him and hit someone else lol

  120. Profile photo of purged
    purged Male 30-39
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    July 8, 2008 at 9:30 pm
    haha.. I saw a graph somewhere.. genius.. the very thing you are speaking out against..
  121. Profile photo of Tartaros
    Tartaros Male 18-29
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    July 8, 2008 at 9:30 pm
    haha.. I saw a graph somewhere.. genius.. the very thing you are speaking out against..
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    I`m not speaking out against Global Warming, I`m speaking out against you people that don`t like the war in Iraq.
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    purged Male 30-39
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    July 8, 2008 at 9:31 pm
    no.. I don`t think a terrorist wants to kill me at all.. but I have been to Iran. and I know people there do not like americanos
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    togetec Male 13-17
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    July 8, 2008 at 9:31 pm
    PENIS
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    CBFLATLINE Male 40-49
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    July 8, 2008 at 9:31 pm
    I WAS THERE, and I saw with my own eyes plane parts, human body parts and Firefighters, EMT`s, Paramedics and Police.

    I returned the following year to remember those lost.

  125. Profile photo of Tartaros
    Tartaros Male 18-29
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    July 8, 2008 at 9:32 pm
    no.. I don`t think a terrorist wants to kill me at all.. but I have been to Iran. and I know people there do not like americanos
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    Terrorists: Want to kill Americans (Fact)

    Civilians: Were rejoicing when we took Sadam in custody (Fact)
    There are however some other people that still resent the Americans but you can`t make everyone happy right?

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    July 8, 2008 at 9:33 pm
    haha.. I saw a graph somewhere.. genius.. the very thing you are speaking out against..
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    huh?

    If you are referring to the research post, then you got your authors wrong. I am the one advocating proper research before forming a decision, not necessarily Tartaros. So if you are using this as a rebuttal against him then it`s wrong.

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    Groogle Male 30-39
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    July 8, 2008 at 9:34 pm
    Frankly, if you ask me, I think those people died because they deserved to die.

    God`s work in mysterious way.

    Lawl.

  128. Profile photo of Tartaros
    Tartaros Male 18-29
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    July 8, 2008 at 9:34 pm
    Frankly, if you ask me, I think those people died because they deserved to die.
    God`s work in mysterious way.

    Lawl.
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    wow.. no one deserves to die unless they murder another. period.

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    Groogle Male 30-39
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    July 8, 2008 at 9:36 pm
    wow.. no one deserves to die unless they murder another. period.
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    You`re slowly murdeirng me and my brain cells. Go die in a fire now.
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    hockeyguy14 Male 18-29
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    July 8, 2008 at 9:36 pm
    I`m not speaking out against Global Warming, I`m speaking out against you people that don`t like the war in Iraq.
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    I honestly can`t see how somebody CAN like the war in iraq. like wtf? Do you actually want a war in iraq? thats really wrong.

  131. Profile photo of Tartaros
    Tartaros Male 18-29
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    July 8, 2008 at 9:38 pm
    I honestly can`t see how somebody CAN like the war in iraq. like wtf? Do you actually want a war in iraq? thats really wrong.
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    yes, because justice needs to be carried out (yes, I`m in Iraq currently fighting)

    You`re slowly murdeirng me and my brain cells. Go die in a fire now.
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    I`m sorry sir, doing that now but first I need a fire

  132. Profile photo of Groogle
    Groogle Male 30-39
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    July 8, 2008 at 9:38 pm
    I honestly can`t see how somebody CAN like the war in iraq. like wtf? Do you actually want a war in iraq? thats really wrong.
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    He secretly want to see other people die on the news because he`s such a Chickenhawk.
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    hockeyguy14 Male 18-29
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    July 8, 2008 at 9:40 pm
    yes, because justice needs to be carried out (yes, I`m in Iraq currently fighting)
    - ya, ok justice has to be carried out, but how can you LIKE the war?
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    CBFLATLINE Male 40-49
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    July 8, 2008 at 9:42 pm
    I am going to try this a different way,

    Have you ever realized that someone has given their life for you?

    That is what I felt that day.

  135. Profile photo of Tartaros
    Tartaros Male 18-29
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    July 8, 2008 at 9:43 pm
    ya, ok justice has to be carried out, but how can you LIKE the war?
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    That`s why I like it, punishing the people that spit on America
  136. Profile photo of Tartaros
    Tartaros Male 18-29
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    July 8, 2008 at 9:44 pm
    He secretly want to see other people die on the news because he`s such a Chickenhawk.
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    Watching terrorists die yes I like to see that
  137. Profile photo of hockeyguy14
    hockeyguy14 Male 18-29
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    July 8, 2008 at 9:45 pm
    That`s why I like it, punishing the people that spit on America
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    ... and thats why the rest of the world thinks of america like it does.

  138. Profile photo of Tartaros
    Tartaros Male 18-29
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    July 8, 2008 at 9:47 pm
    ... and thats why the rest of the world thinks of america like it does.
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    War is part of human nature, if you look throughout history it is inevitable, there will always be war where there are disputes.
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    hockeyguy14 Male 18-29
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    July 8, 2008 at 9:47 pm
    Watching terrorists die yes I like to see that
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    thats not right dude...

  140. Profile photo of hockeyguy14
    hockeyguy14 Male 18-29
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    July 8, 2008 at 9:49 pm
    War is part of human nature, if you look throughout history it is inevitable, there will always be war where there are disputes.
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    sure but enjoying war.. enjoying the fact that thousands of people are dying is sick

  141. Profile photo of Tartaros
    Tartaros Male 18-29
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    July 8, 2008 at 9:50 pm
    Watching terrorists die yes I like to see that
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    They are murderers, they deserve to die am I right?
  142. Profile photo of Tartaros
    Tartaros Male 18-29
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    July 8, 2008 at 9:50 pm
    sure but enjoying war.. enjoying the fact that thousands of people are dying is sick
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    war for nothing is sick, but this is fighting terrorism (murderers). There is nothing wrong with that
  143. Profile photo of hockeyguy14
    hockeyguy14 Male 18-29
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    July 8, 2008 at 9:52 pm
    They are murderers, they deserve to die am I right?
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    they may be murderers but so is any american soldier who has killed

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    Tartaros Male 18-29
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    July 8, 2008 at 9:52 pm
    If someone murders somebody else, they deserve to die. They took the life of another so take theirs "An eye for an eye". Did the person they murdered want to die? no, so why should they live?
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    hockeyguy14 Male 18-29
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    July 8, 2008 at 9:53 pm
    war for nothing is sick, but this is fighting terrorism (murderers). There is nothing wrong with that
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    the war in iraq is a war for oil...

  146. Profile photo of Tartaros
    Tartaros Male 18-29
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    July 8, 2008 at 9:54 pm
    they may be murderers but so is any american soldier who has killed
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    true, but killing a murderer doesn`t make you one.
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    Groogle Male 30-39
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    July 8, 2008 at 9:55 pm
    And of course murderer are just people who kills freely without any motives at all.

    Tartaros, everybody felt in love with your one sided story and now we want you as our new president.

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    USArmy3 Male 18-29
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    July 8, 2008 at 9:55 pm
    "Did you see a Boeing?"

    Yes. what do you call the giant white metal thing at 16 seconds?

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    hockeyguy14 Male 18-29
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    July 8, 2008 at 9:57 pm
    true, but killing a murderer doesn`t make you one.
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    yes it does.. if one human being kills another human being despite of who they are or what they`ve done it`s murder

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    CBFLATLINE Male 40-49
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    July 8, 2008 at 9:59 pm
    WOW Tart, you are so different,

    I believe that those who are a threat to human life should be executed. In other words; Should a human be put to death protecting his family, but shot a man in the back? Yes he should be punished but if OBL has been caught, and is an obvious threat. Then YES he should die to protect others.

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    July 8, 2008 at 10:00 pm
    I`m done debating, I`m really tired and miss my bed, good night.
  152. Profile photo of Tartaros
    Tartaros Male 18-29
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    July 8, 2008 at 10:00 pm
    or good evening/morning, w/e
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    CBFLATLINE Male 40-49
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    July 8, 2008 at 10:01 pm
    NO EYE FOR AN EYE (THAT IS REVENGE).

    An eye to protect anothers eye

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    CBFLATLINE Male 40-49
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    July 8, 2008 at 10:03 pm
    Tart,

    YOU PUSSY!!!

    You start something and now you are sleepy, I hope your mommy tucks you in!!!

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    USArmy3 Male 18-29
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    July 8, 2008 at 10:03 pm
    hockeyguy14
    Male, 13-17, Canada
    29 Posts Tuesday, July 08, 2008 9:40:44 PM
    "yes, because justice needs to be carried out (yes, I`m in Iraq currently fighting)
    - ya, ok justice has to be carried out, but how can you LIKE the war?"

    Really? 13-17 years old and fighting in Iraq? Wow you need to get things right. Also, the war isn`t for oil. It`s for something called democracy, which we`re trying to help establish. If we wanted oil, we`d invade Saudi Arabia, Russia, and The United States (the top three producers of oil). Iraq is 14th in oil production. Before you make a comment, how about getting your facts straight?

  156. Profile photo of CBFLATLINE
    CBFLATLINE Male 40-49
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    July 8, 2008 at 10:04 pm
    NO EYE FOR AN EYE (THAT IS REVENGE).

    An eye to protect anothers eye

  157. Profile photo of CBFLATLINE
    CBFLATLINE Male 40-49
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    July 8, 2008 at 10:04 pm
    WOW Tart, you are so different,

    I believe that those who are a threat to human life should be executed. In other words; Should a human be put to death protecting his family, but shot a man in the back? Yes he should be punished but if OBL has been caught, and is an obvious threat. Then YES he should die to protect others.

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    Tartaros Male 18-29
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    July 8, 2008 at 10:04 pm
    I believe that those who are a threat to human life should be executed. In other words; Should a human be put to death protecting his family, but shot a man in the back? Yes he should be punished but if OBL has been caught, and is an obvious threat. Then YES he should die to protect others.
    -
    If you are a threat to others or if you already murdered another, you should die. If you kill someone to protect someone else you should not be punished. That is basic morals.
  159. Profile photo of hockeyguy14
    hockeyguy14 Male 18-29
    46 posts
    July 8, 2008 at 10:08 pm
    Really? 13-17 years old and fighting in Iraq? Wow you need to get things right. Also, the war isn`t for oil. It`s for something called democracy, which we`re trying to help establish. If we wanted oil, we`d invade Saudi Arabia, Russia, and The United States (the top three producers of oil). Iraq is 14th in oil production. Before you make a comment, how about getting your facts straight?
    -
    hahah typical american
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    hockeyguy14 Male 18-29
    46 posts
    July 8, 2008 at 10:10 pm
    USarmy your stupid maybe if you went back a little farther you would see that i didnt write that i fought in iraq i was quoting someone else so get your facts straight rofl
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    USArmy3 Male 18-29
    180 posts
    July 8, 2008 at 10:10 pm
    Really? 13-17 years old and fighting in Iraq? Wow you need to get things right. Also, the war isn`t for oil. It`s for something called democracy, which we`re trying to help establish. If we wanted oil, we`d invade Saudi Arabia, Russia, and The United States (the top three producers of oil). Iraq is 14th in oil production. Before you make a comment, how about getting your facts straight?
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    hahah typical american

    -

    Typical rest of world for insulting the united states.
    You don`t really have a response for my clearly valid points, do you?

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    CBFLATLINE Male 40-49
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    July 8, 2008 at 10:11 pm
    And if you felt that they would return, to kill in the US,OBL or other countries, SH?
  163. Profile photo of hockeyguy14
    hockeyguy14 Male 18-29
    46 posts
    July 8, 2008 at 10:12 pm
    Typical rest of world for insulting the united states.
    You don`t really have a response for my clearly valid points, do you?
    -

    typical american again thinking that the united states is right about everything.

  164. Profile photo of USArmy3
    USArmy3 Male 18-29
    180 posts
    July 8, 2008 at 10:17 pm
    I never said that The United States was right about everything. Just because I`m from there, doesn`t mean I`m simple-minded. Also, there was never a clear line of quoting, but I`m sorry for the misunderstanding. Plus it`s probably not helping that my name is USArmy3, is it?
  165. Profile photo of CBFLATLINE
    CBFLATLINE Male 40-49
    147 posts
    July 8, 2008 at 10:19 pm
    And furthermore, you denied my findings (although I was there less than 2 hours from the crash).

    BITE ME!!! and

    DIAF as you so eloquently put it.
    SHAKENBAKE YOU DO SO AS WELL!!!

    Back your facts up!!!

  166. Profile photo of hockeyguy14
    hockeyguy14 Male 18-29
    46 posts
    July 8, 2008 at 10:20 pm
    lol whatever all im saying is i think that the war in iraq is pointless and is completely unneeded.
  167. Profile photo of USArmy3
    USArmy3 Male 18-29
    180 posts
    July 8, 2008 at 10:22 pm
    Well it`s not really a war anymore. It has been a bit drawn out and drastic, but we still need some troops there to help enforce democracy. Right now it`s pretty unstable there. I will say that we don`t need the entire military there.
  168. Profile photo of CBFLATLINE
    CBFLATLINE Male 40-49
    147 posts
    July 8, 2008 at 10:23 pm
    Holy poo,
    Just looked up SHAKENBAKES PROFILE.

    He is from the middle eastern end of Chicago.

  169. Profile photo of hockeyguy14
    hockeyguy14 Male 18-29
    46 posts
    July 8, 2008 at 10:25 pm
    its a total waste of american dollars like when theres $10 billion dollars a month going to iraq in support of the "war" i`d say thats when a line is crossed
  170. Profile photo of USArmy3
    USArmy3 Male 18-29
    180 posts
    July 8, 2008 at 10:27 pm
    Well, what do you care? You`re from Canada... supposedly.

    There`s really not a point to bitch about it though. Neither of us could change how it`s going on without some form of political backup.

  171. Profile photo of hockeyguy14
    hockeyguy14 Male 18-29
    46 posts
    July 8, 2008 at 10:29 pm
    lol i don`t care really i just can`t believe how much money is going to iraq
  172. Profile photo of USArmy3
    USArmy3 Male 18-29
    180 posts
    July 8, 2008 at 10:30 pm
    Then why are you still talking about? lol
  173. Profile photo of pat125
    pat125 Male 18-29
    756 posts
    July 8, 2008 at 10:31 pm
    Typical IAB posting more 9/11 conspiracy bullsh*t.
  174. Profile photo of hockeyguy14
    hockeyguy14 Male 18-29
    46 posts
    July 8, 2008 at 10:31 pm
    because i am.. so go fack yourself eh
  175. Profile photo of USArmy3
    USArmy3 Male 18-29
    180 posts
    July 8, 2008 at 10:33 pm
    No thanks, I already watched Tomb Raider today...eh?
  176. Profile photo of hockeyguy14
    hockeyguy14 Male 18-29
    46 posts
    July 8, 2008 at 10:34 pm
    awesome eh well i have to go hunt more polar bears and hide from flying hockey pucks eh
  177. Profile photo of USArmy3
    USArmy3 Male 18-29
    180 posts
    July 8, 2008 at 10:35 pm
    Typical Canadian.

    How about you go ice skate on some maple syrup? eh

  178. Profile photo of hockeyguy14
    hockeyguy14 Male 18-29
    46 posts
    July 8, 2008 at 10:36 pm
    oh i already did that eh i think ill go visit our prime minister tim hortons and then go curling eh
  179. Profile photo of CBFLATLINE
    CBFLATLINE Male 40-49
    147 posts
    July 8, 2008 at 10:37 pm
    HEY non-nice individualS,

    Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 although in my opinion it was about time we took care of SH.

    Anyhow the point was Untited 93? Was it shot down or not.

    If It was not, then the people were heroes, if it was then then the people were still heroes as they sacrificed their lives for a different purpose.

    WAS THE PRESIDENT JUST GOING TO LET A PLANE CRASH INTO A CITY?

    WHO WOULD HAVE BLAMED THE PRESIDENT IF HE DID HAVE IT ORDERED IT SHOT DOWN AND WHY HIDE IT?

    Only a middle eastern Chicagoite, I`m looking at you SHAKENBAKE.


  180. Profile photo of USArmy3
    USArmy3 Male 18-29
    180 posts
    July 8, 2008 at 10:39 pm
    Curling with the prime minister? eh

    sounds like a good ol` jolly time..eh

    Have you ever tried curling on maple syrup with polar bears and hockey sticks? eh

  181. Profile photo of hockeyguy14
    hockeyguy14 Male 18-29
    46 posts
    July 8, 2008 at 10:42 pm
    that stupid eh

    you cant go curling with polar bears eh they protect the maple syrup

  182. Profile photo of USArmy3
    USArmy3 Male 18-29
    180 posts
    July 8, 2008 at 10:42 pm
    eh eh eh eh a eh eh eh eeehhh
  183. Profile photo of USArmy3
    USArmy3 Male 18-29
    180 posts
    July 8, 2008 at 10:43 pm
    ...eh
  184. Profile photo of hockeyguy14
    hockeyguy14 Male 18-29
    46 posts
    July 8, 2008 at 10:44 pm
    eh eh eh ehh eh ...eh
  185. Profile photo of USArmy3
    USArmy3 Male 18-29
    180 posts
    July 8, 2008 at 10:46 pm
    eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh?
  186. Profile photo of hockeyguy14
    hockeyguy14 Male 18-29
    46 posts
    July 8, 2008 at 10:46 pm
    whoa whoa whoa... to far
  187. Profile photo of USArmy3
    USArmy3 Male 18-29
    180 posts
    July 8, 2008 at 10:47 pm
    sorry eh.
  188. Profile photo of CBFLATLINE
    CBFLATLINE Male 40-49
    147 posts
    July 8, 2008 at 10:51 pm
    TYPICAL CANADIANS,

    NO WONDER WE BOMBED YOU TOO.

  189. Profile photo of USArmy3
    USArmy3 Male 18-29
    180 posts
    July 8, 2008 at 10:51 pm
    what? We never bombed canada! eh
  190. Profile photo of CBFLATLINE
    CBFLATLINE Male 40-49
    147 posts
    July 8, 2008 at 10:52 pm
    BUCH OF FRENCH WANNABEES.

    GO WATCH (LIVE) A MICHAEL MOORE MOVIE.

  191. Profile photo of CBFLATLINE
    CBFLATLINE Male 40-49
    147 posts
    July 8, 2008 at 10:53 pm
    SORRY, BUNCH
  192. Profile photo of USArmy3
    USArmy3 Male 18-29
    180 posts
    July 8, 2008 at 10:57 pm
    ..........what?
  193. Profile photo of rabid_meat
    rabid_meat Male 18-29
    46 posts
    July 8, 2008 at 10:58 pm
    It`s from Fox News so I wouldn`t trust it.
  194. Profile photo of USArmy3
    USArmy3 Male 18-29
    180 posts
    July 8, 2008 at 10:59 pm
    ..........what?
  195. Profile photo of Shellie84
    Shellie84 Female 18-29
    4198 posts
    July 8, 2008 at 11:06 pm
    This just got really weird really fast...
  196. Profile photo of toans
    toans Male 13-17
    413 posts
    July 9, 2008 at 12:20 am
    since there is no actual video footage of a madman who supposedly shot down the plane, i am still undecided whether it is a conspiracy or not.
  197. Profile photo of Bananahammoc
    Bananahammoc Female 18-29
    310 posts
    July 9, 2008 at 3:18 am
    These conspiracies are BS. Sure the government probably made up some stories to cover things they had to do, but for the most part I`m more inclined to believe that the attacks were of a terrorised nature.
  198. Profile photo of rick_mor
    rick_mor Male 18-29
    19 posts
    July 9, 2008 at 5:16 am
    listen why did the towers fall????
    because they need to start the scare tactics that got rid of all our rights, and started a war that has gone nowhere
    why didn`t the pengtagon fall????
    because unlike the towers that is a needed place by our masters to keep making more plans on how to control us even more
    why did the plane land in the middle of nowhere?????
    because the one was "gonna hit a certain house.....a house that is white.....a house in washington.......the puppets house.......that`s why it landed there, because they didn`t want to mess up a perfectly good house... they just wanted to make it seem like a close call in anybody started to think
  199. Profile photo of sirpsycosexy
    sirpsycosexy Male 18-29
    31 posts
    July 9, 2008 at 6:34 am
    I just like to imagine the guy who came up with the idea to destroy the towers. Can you imagine him walking into the oval office, carefully laying a thick envelope on big GBs desk, before saying "Right, I know you`ve been looking for an excuse to invade iraq. I think I may have something, its a bit risky though. Let me know what you think"
    Before getting up, walking out, closing the door and crossing his fingers.
  200. Profile photo of ExcelZero
    ExcelZero Male 18-29
    58 posts
    July 9, 2008 at 6:42 am
    whoever believes this stuff is...I don`t even wanna say...look I hate Bush as much as most and he has done some stupid crap but this video is sub-moronic

    -Kyo

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    iamthehair Male 18-29
    84 posts
    July 9, 2008 at 7:48 am
    hockeyguy
    1st your 13-17 and not from the US
    2nd for some reason you have it out for the US
    3rd you have no factual support besides your own mind to back up your comments
    and lastly that eh hockey player rant crap got strange fast
  202. Profile photo of antagonizer
    antagonizer Male 18-29
    509 posts
    July 9, 2008 at 8:03 am
    Not really caring about conspiracies I`ve never bothered with this, so I thought I`d actually take the time to look it up. It`s pretty interesting. In the entire history of aviation, with hundreds of planes blowing up due to bombs, faulty fuel tanks, crashes, etc, 9/11 is the first day in history that a plane has dissappeared without leaving so much as an engine behind. The truly odd thing is that it happened twice in one day.... Not a conspiracy, just odd.
  203. Profile photo of Apples_Rock
    Apples_Rock Male 13-17
    224 posts
    July 9, 2008 at 11:00 am
    US government shot the plane down.
    Americans R teh fail!
  204. Profile photo of TheBLB
    TheBLB Male 18-29
    239 posts
    July 9, 2008 at 11:56 am
    The US had done this sort of thing before 9/11. In the cold war, they planned on bombing themselves, and you guys should look in the SS Lusitania. You guys live in such a sketchy corrupt country, and you stand by 9/11 as if it was real. Each side can `prove` they are right. But doesn`t the fact that there are so many unanswered questions, proven lies and falsehoods make you think twice about this stuff? Or do you just grab a shotgun and sit on your porch, complaining about Arabs to your equally redneck neighbors?

    "9/11 was an inside job, get your head out of the sand..."

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    splurbyburbl Male 30-39
    2798 posts
    July 9, 2008 at 12:53 pm
    RICK MOR:

    So far I have read posts from intelligent people who I disagree with... however you sir... are just a complete fool.

    Have you ever been to the Pentagon? I have... I was not impressed as it is an old building and smaller than you would think. However, it was built low to the ground and in the style of a small ofrtress. Right before 9/11 they were fitting the windows with bullet and shock proof glass and luckily most of the side that got hit was under construction, however there were some spaces that were being used. Although having one of the tallest towers in the world get hit with the same size plane creates a scenario to where the tower collapses in on itself with more force due to something called GRAVITY. The Pentagon is low to the ground... not much room for total and mass collapsing there.

    Yes I was there the next day helping out. I saw it with my own eyes. If the pentagon were higher and shaped as a square... it would have fallen.

  206. Profile photo of McGovern1981
    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
    14273 posts
    July 9, 2008 at 12:59 pm
    If you look at the evidence of the SS Lusitania you`ll see that most experts say it was most likely a boiler accident not sabatoge but during that period there was absolutly no way to tell. Know your facts before you spew anti american bull.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
    14273 posts
    July 9, 2008 at 1:06 pm
    Also I`m not sure where you get 2 planes dissappering they all left things behind but when you hit something at a high speed and burn it with jet fuel it tends to be smaller bits.
  208. Profile photo of Tonyjet
    Tonyjet Male 18-29
    3299 posts
    July 9, 2008 at 1:22 pm
    they didn try to land the plan as sopposed to other crashes were they try to save themselves.. they wer crashing it into the ground so it wouldnt hit a major city or building its a much greater impact wen u crash nose first as to suppose ur gliding for a lil bit, wings catch the ground and it just explodes
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    DVLDRVR666 Male 13-17
    612 posts
    July 9, 2008 at 4:43 pm
    hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.....maybe a few too many m`s there??
  210. Profile photo of hockeyguy14
    hockeyguy14 Male 18-29
    46 posts
    July 9, 2008 at 4:53 pm
    hockeyguy
    1st your 13-17 and not from the US
    2nd for some reason you have it out for the US
    3rd you have no factual support besides your own mind to back up your comments
    and lastly that eh hockey player rant crap got strange fast
    -

    lol your gay and your just another american who supports the war

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    Sweet_Tooth Male 18-29
    308 posts
    July 9, 2008 at 5:17 pm
    So, let`s say that they did shoot it down. How does that explain why there`s nothing left? Last I heard, shooting a plane down doesn`t cause it to disintegrate. Obviously it was smashed to bits when it fell. Idiots.
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    kermitgreen Female 30-39
    187 posts
    July 9, 2008 at 8:04 pm
    gah, you fools are so frustrating.
    go and investgate yourselves and stop going on and on like idiots.
  213. Profile photo of texorama
    texorama Male 30-39
    25 posts
    July 9, 2008 at 8:15 pm
    The comments made by some of these non-American TEENAGERS proves nothing but their ignorance. To begin with, we know that America isn`t perfect - nearly every American will be the first to say that. Secondly, what FACTS do you base your statements on? All of your wisdom gained in your less-than-18 years? All of the time you have spent in the United States? Your hands-on experience in the field of aviation, counter-terrorism, American foreign policy and other, related fields pertaining to this topic? It`s real easy to spout ignorance on a website. It`s a bit harder to provide coherent, logical and constructive arguments that encourage enlightenment. I could quite easily make claims on all of the errs of Canada, Australia, the EU and other `superpowers` represented here (and I use `superpowers` quite generously here). Not suggesting conspiracy in this situation (which I personally think is ludicrous) but I am rather confident in saying that there may have been conspiracies in your lands.
  214. Profile photo of hockeyguy14
    hockeyguy14 Male 18-29
    46 posts
    July 9, 2008 at 9:38 pm
    well texorama i think your wrong and i`m pretty sure that there has never been a conspiracy in canada as big as 9/11.

    and i would love to hear all your "errors" about canada so let`s hear it.

  215. Profile photo of ajizzal
    ajizzal Male 18-29
    15 posts
    July 9, 2008 at 11:21 pm
    hockey guy if your still here i woud like to tell you not all americans are as stupid and arrogant as the ones here.
  216. Profile photo of McGovern1981
    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
    14273 posts
    July 10, 2008 at 7:06 am
    If thats the case I would hope not all canadians and europeans are as hateful and pompus as they seem here.
  217. Profile photo of texorama
    texorama Male 30-39
    25 posts
    July 10, 2008 at 8:36 am
    hockeyguy14: I`m not going to respond to you again, so say what you will. I cannot respect your opinion due to your apparent lack of a proper education (misuse of `you`re`). Also, you state "there has never been a conspiracy in canada as big as 9/11". I suggested that there "may have been conspiracies" and did not say that there `have been conspiracies` because I cannot factually prove that there were. I also didn`t suggest that there were `conspiracies` as big as 9/11. Despite this, you may want to read up on Canada`s involvement in the assassination of Abraham Lincoln (CIA Library). To close, if you are going to attempt to make an intellectual argument, please do so. Otherwise, your inane comments are worthless; your time would be better spent getting an education.
  218. Profile photo of Robinski9
    Robinski9 Female 30-39
    67 posts
    July 10, 2008 at 12:15 pm
    Those who don`t understand the basics or physics are really easy to BS. :)
  219. Profile photo of McGovern1981
    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
    14273 posts
    July 10, 2008 at 1:58 pm
    I think I`ll trust engineers over a bunch of wierdos look at you myths proven wrong.
    http://www.popularmechanics.com/technolo...
  220. Profile photo of WMDs-R-Bad
    WMDs-R-Bad Male 13-17
    46 posts
    July 12, 2008 at 2:08 pm
    Several points I want to bring up.

    Every other flight crash has resulted in not being able to fly it and stuff. 93 however, was fully functional and could fly. It could of collided with the Earth without anyone trying to slow it down.

    Also,the video doesn`t say anywhere 93 was shot down. Just some people playing I SPY at the crash site.

    And how did the terrorists know how to fly with the controls in English while none of the passengers could not? WHERE IS KAREN BLACK??!?

  221. Profile photo of gcamaro32
    gcamaro32 Male 70 & Over
    242 posts
    July 15, 2008 at 8:06 pm
    throw some kind of plastic toy at the ground as hard as you can and see if you can see the toy anymore...or if you can only find fragments of what used to be your favorite transformer figurine.

    I hate conspiracy theorists...they just have nothing better to do than try to come up with stories that conflict the obvious...

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