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I think our restrictions on police brutality are utterly laughable. Oh, that cop sure hit that rapist pretty hard! We`re gonna make sure he gets fired! And then we sit and wonder why there`s such rampant drug use in the country today, why our cities are in such piss poor shape, and why it seems as though everyone is suddenly a criminal
I`m not a big enough idiot to turn away from a cop and give him a hard time over a traffic ticket.
Plus anybody with half a brain knows that reaching into your pocket while a cop is dealing with you is STUPID.
Seriously, get a reality check.
Yeah, we`ll hear how loud you squeal when an out of control cop tases your ass, dittohead. The man had every right to dispute the matter and had every right to ask why exactly he was being issued a ticket and why he was being placed under arrest, which I might add he was never told. Go blow a goat.
The cop explicitly told him he was over the speed limit (There`s the reason, so no bullpoo about rights) and then the guy refused to listen.
You know what you do if you disagree with your ticket? You take it to court. You don`t throw a bitchfest right then and there. The guy wasn`t obeying instructions and the cop did what he was supposed to: enforced his authority, which was in no way misplaced.
Now go find something else to whine about you sissy democrats.
BTW, Kermit was an American creation. Purge the evil from your midst.
If you would shoot somebody with a pistol, you can shoot somebody with a taser.
There is only one person I can see being a viable target to discharge a weapon at in this video, and he`s the one with a badge.
This man was not a danger to anyone, he was presumably going on a highway at 60mph when the speed suddenly dropped to 40mph. The cop pulled him over to ticket him and, without provocation or warning, fired at a civilian with a taser.
What would have been correct is to, with the information the officer clearly had from the ticket, to fine and charge the driver with his crimes.
This was not a violent criminal who was a risk to anyone, this was not somebody who was driving recklessly, this was not somebody disobeying anything other than an order to sign a piece of paper.
I`m sure had the officer said, "If you don`t sign it you`ll have to come to the station." None of what made this video so apalling would have happened. Instead the officer exercised force in a reckless manner and became no worse than a common thug.
IN FACT, HE WAS GIVEN LEGAL NOTICE, IT IS ON THE DAMN TICKET!!!!
And anyone above who says "read him his rights" watches too much TV. As was said, Miranda rights only apply to the use of statements - one can be arrested, processed, charged, and convicted without ever having rights read, so long as they don`t use what you said POST-ARREST. (Anything this guy said pre-arrest remains admissible.)
BOTTOM LINE: Don`t refuse lawful orders. And even if you suspect a cop is out of line, that is for COURTS to decide - when you cross the line into active resistance to detention or arrest (WALKING AWAY AFTER BEING ORDERED NOT TO) Cops have clear authority to use force.
What is worse? The cop grabbing the dude, fighting him and having to punch him, maybe getting hurt himself? OR, using a taser to subdue a belligerent person?
1) Cops have authority to issue citations, even ones that turn out to be invalid. Merely signing a ticket is no admission of guilt. The legal recourse is to go to court. Refusing to sign until the cop does what *you* say is no defense. Cops don`t obey commands of citizens, its the other way around.
2) The real issue here isn`t the ticket - it is the unlawful resistance to detention. When a cop orders you to comply, you comply. If the cop is in the wrong, you prove that in court. You don`t try and flee.
Instead, this person BEGAN TO WALK AWAY, disobeying a lawful command. At the moment the dude began to walk away, he was resisting arrest, thereby subjecting himself to the use of force to effectuate his seizure.
Quite often, resisting the detention is worse than the original crime.
XP, a citation is not a contract.
Tasers should be taken out of the hands of police officers unless proper training and psych evaluations have been passed that would rate them as approved to carry these things.
Officers use them as a leverage in the lightest of situations. They`ve even tased children. This topic gets to the core of me and i`m sorry for going on like this.
Bad cop, get him a desk job and be done with it. Reimburse that poor guy for his time and duress and get the tasers out of general police hands.
The situation did not warrant a pistol to be drawn and aimed at this man, therefore a taser was equally unwarranted.
Guidelines for discharging a taser are the following;
1. Warn the person that if they do not comply they will be tasered.2. Ready the weapon and aim at the non complicit person.3. warn then once more that they will be tasered if they do not comply.4. Tasering may now occur.
if you watch the video steps 1 through 3 never happen. This is an example of not following procedure, reckless use of force, use of excessive force, and a cop that disgraces what police officers should be.
Telling him what he`s being ticketed forTasing without a reasonRefusing to read him his rights
That officer should be shot in the head and left to die. [/quote] He told the guy multiple times it was for speeding. Watch the video you idiot.
You are under arrest even if your rights have not been read. The only thing the reading of rights does is allow things you say to be used in evidence, otherwise they can`t.
You have the right not to sign, and he has the right to arrest you when you break the law. the reason you signt he ticket is to not be arrested. It is effectively "I will show up in court to contest this".
NOT "I confess I am guilty".
That`s why you sign. You sign to not be arrested after breaking the law. Look up the old link on IAB for the links I put in the last time.
And, while that guy may have been within his right to ask questions and not sign the ticket agreeing to the fine (which he can not sign all he wants, doesn`t mean he instantly gets to take off and never be bothered about it.) that cop was fully within his rights to do what he did. The cop says "get out of the car"... not "Get out of the car and sneak around behind me while I`m not looking". Some people are just too stupid to understand that isn`t a good thing to do to a person in that profession.
*However*....All that mess could`ve been avoided if only the cop had told him what he was being pulled over for. There was a failure in communication at the very start of the video, and everything just started escalating from there. If this is the way they handle every situation, then no wonder most people view cops as power-tripping asshats.
Communication is a *very* important skill no matter what line of work you do, and especially important if your profession specializes in dealing with uncooperative people. Officer Gardener here fail at it, and that`s why he should be fired.
"hedon:do a job you are most likely unwilling and unqualified to do(calls for speculation)"
The mere fact that a majority of you are objecting to law enforcement as a whole shows that you`d be unwilling to do the job (yuck, be a cop?) XP already asserts that we`re all above the law.
As for unqualified? Unless most of you have approx 90 semester hours of college, are 21, can pass a rigorous physical training testing, and can pass a drug screen/credit check, you`re probably not going to qualify as a trooper.
Its an omen...
If he would have only stopped acting like a little punk and signed the ticket, I`m sure he wouldn`t have ended up jail.
There does not have to be propaganda in everything.
Both parties are to blame in this event. The driver was being an non-nice individual, and rebeling against authority just for the sake of rebeling.
He was driving a gas-guzzling suv, I dont think the $90 ticket would send him to the poorhouse.
Yes this cop was uneducated with the law, but judges are not, shutup, take the ticket, then tell the judge your story.
Guys like the driver are non-nice individuals, he walked away after being told to put his hands on the vehicle, that is grounds for action by the cop, whether or not the arrest itself was just.
You can call what the cop did a "power trip" but the driver was also going off on a "power trip" by exercising his knowledge for no justified reason.
Unless you have some very nice tits, you can`t get out of a ticket by arguing with the c
The London Metropolitan Police have a long and sordid history of brutality and racism. Most of them are pricks! Birmingham, Yorkshire, Liverpool...they`ve just as bad, and most, if not all, of the complaints against The Ol` Bill go unheeded, or are settled on the side of the police.
Do you believe everything you read on the internet?
I think you are a lot of talk and no action.
XP: "You will probably still be saying..." (calls for speculation)
XP: "Cops...abuse their power way too often" (no reference to number of incidents...probably just conjured up out of anger and watching one too many episodes of Law & Order)
"You are one of these asshats" (well, now we know the argument has become desperate by this point)
I almost feel sorry for scthartman42 having to read through it...but it`s funny
I am not going to waste my time with you since you don`t use facts or have an awareness of reality. Your nothing but a cop apologist.
When this jerk loses his job you will probably still be saying he did the right thing. Cops are not above the law and they abuse their power way too often in this country.
You are one of these asshats who thought Iraq was responsible for 9-11 and that they had nukes. I argued with people like you all the time when that poo was going down and now they are nowhere. All the people I argued with disappeared. Funny how when you are proven wrong you`re never around to admit how stupid you were. This is one of those cases I`m sure.
I would hardly call this guy lucky, he ran into and unreasonable power tripping non-nice individual with a badge. How is that lucky exactly?
Lol, I read it ten times and I still didn`t get it.
The point is sir, (which you are pretending to miss), is that you DO NOT have to follow any order an officer gives you if it is unreasonable. A good officer would have explained the situation, his rights and options, and not resorted to the pussy ass passive aggressive taser tactic. Not only is it extremely lazy and power-tripping it`s unprofessional and unbecoming an officer of the law.
If officers can`t handle being polite and reasonable with people they should find another line of work. Like flipping burgers; which has a similar education and intelligence requirement.
"Officials say they held the news conference today because they are very concerned and want the public to feel safe with troopers out there."
To late; damage done.
Not only did he tazer him, he was all roostery about it later. That cop is not justifiable at all.
your just dumb...
Then its on video and killing him is lawful...Where did this come from anyways...i didnt hear the officer say kill yourself or lay on the road in front of traffic...i heard step out of the car and turn around. Idiot didnt do that and got way to close. Stupid hurts.
I`m staying in the UK. At least I know thats unlikely to happen here, and if it did, the policeman would be fired at the very least.
Col. Lance Davenport, a highway patrol supervisor, said, "There was, in our opinion, a lack of communication on the part of Trooper Gardner."
And he could face discipline as a result. That could mean anything from a letter of reprimand up to termination.
"We are worried about public confidence, and that maybe the confidence with the Highway Patrol, with the Department of Public Safety and law enforcement in general was damaged here..." explained Duncan.
Meanwhile, Trooper Gardner is still on leave, primarily to keep him safe. He`s received numerous anonymous threats.
Right now, UHP doesn`t know what the consequences for him are going to be because this is still under investigation. Officials are, however, turning the investigation over to the Utah Atto
Justice at work.
No surprise there.
Cops look horrible on the internet btw.
"We all new what was going to happen. The driver was going to whip out his gun and shoot the officer in the face 6 times for pulling him over. Don`t lie, you knew it going to happen too."
Thats what he SHOULD have done instead of getting out.
Because he has a right to know what he`s getting a ticket for. The officer was obstructing his rights by not:
That officer should be shot in the head and left to die.