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  1. Profile photo of LittleMissQT
    LittleMissQT Female 18-29
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    June 20, 2008 at 11:27 am
    Link: Teen Treated by Faith Healer Dies - Faith is great, but I`ll take a medical school-trained doctor.
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    LoofahBoy Male 18-29
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    June 20, 2008 at 11:31 am
    *headdesk*
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    Loxen Female 30-39
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    June 20, 2008 at 11:33 am
    You know what those cult... I mean church members would say though. "They didn`t have enough faith" or some bs excuse.
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    mikeeegeee Male 18-29
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    June 20, 2008 at 11:33 am
    *facepalm*
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    Maksie99 Male 18-29
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    June 20, 2008 at 11:33 am
    More proof that religion is stupid.
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    Tonyjet Male 18-29
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    June 20, 2008 at 11:37 am
    "More proof that religion is stupid."

    as in 2000 years of suffering, persecution, famine, wars, and hangings wasnt enuff

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    charlyrat Female 13-17
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    June 20, 2008 at 11:38 am
    Ah.. that`s terrible.

    But surely, if you were gunna ask some almighty power for help - you`d only ask if it was a real emergency? Isnt it like a waste of their time to be listening to prayers about stuff that can be "healed" by real doctors..

    I dunno, maybe im just not understanding it?

  8. Profile photo of TonyBlairPM
    TonyBlairPM Male 50-59
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    June 20, 2008 at 11:38 am
    I wonder how long it would take for all the atheist scum to bash religion?
  9. Profile photo of HuskysTiger
    HuskysTiger Male 18-29
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    June 20, 2008 at 11:43 am
    There`s nothing wrong with religion in itself. It`s just that sometimes there are people who forget to be practical, that`s all.
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    NeiltheSheep Male 18-29
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    June 20, 2008 at 11:43 am
    "More proof that religion is stupid."

    Religion isn`t stupid...people are stupid. Everybody seems to feel that all terrible things happen because of religion...at mostly on this sight it`s narrowed to Christians.

    "as in 2000 years of suffering, persecution, famine, wars, and hangings wasnt enuff."

    All that was happening long before 2000 years...

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    TonyBlairPM Male 50-59
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    June 20, 2008 at 11:44 am
    Here,here Neil.
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    MarthFador Female 18-29
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    June 20, 2008 at 11:45 am
    I`ll say there`s nothing wrong with religion.....just the religious.

    "I like your Christ, but not your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ." Ghandi

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    primetimekin Male 18-29
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    June 20, 2008 at 11:46 am
    Okay... I always thought God helped the sick by giving man intelligence to have great strides in medicine... just why.... thats like asking God to win the lottery without buying a ticket
  14. Profile photo of dougsimpson
    dougsimpson Male 18-29
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    June 20, 2008 at 11:47 am
    atheist scum
    religion is stupid

    So if someone has a different worldview from you, their point of view is invalid?

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    hotjason Male 18-29
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    June 20, 2008 at 11:48 am
    rest assured everyone, THIS IS WHAT GOD WANTED, and he is in heaven now!

    happy ending :) *+*+*+

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    maceizballin Male 13-17
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    June 20, 2008 at 11:51 am
    okay this isnt the first time this has happened.
    medicine is there for a reason
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    charlyrat Female 13-17
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    June 20, 2008 at 11:52 am
    Like the story with the boat and the man drowning..
    The one like:
    "Why didnt you save me when i prayed"
    "I sent some boats"

    Cept in this case.. the boat would have been a doctor..

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    Tonyjet Male 18-29
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    June 20, 2008 at 11:54 am
    "All that was happening long before 2000 years..."

    well i meant the witch hunts..... christian persecution in rome


    and we all know averysingle war for the last century had something to do with someones God being better than somebody elses God

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    gorgeousplan Female 18-29
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    June 20, 2008 at 11:57 am
    he was 16, and old enough to decide his own medical decisions.

    sure its not the one that makes sense...

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    shelerella Female 18-29
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    June 20, 2008 at 11:57 am
    Of course we all know that this was God`s will. God wanted those kids dead, oh and don`t forget even if God didn`t want them dead, it must be that he wanted them to live, but the parents didn`t have enough faith.

    *bangs heads repeatedly against keyboard*

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    HuskysTiger Male 18-29
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    June 20, 2008 at 11:58 am
    I don`t think the world wars had any religious issues in it, as far as I was taught in school :p
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    Burton_Ian Male 18-29
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    June 20, 2008 at 12:00 pm
    dang... that`d be an awful way to go... ouch
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    lava_tomato Female 13-17
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    June 20, 2008 at 12:01 pm
    ^ and then there`s the Holocaust.
  24. Profile photo of NeiltheSheep
    NeiltheSheep Male 18-29
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    June 20, 2008 at 12:05 pm
    Tonyjet- yeah..I read your post wrong...sorry...but yeah you`re right.
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    Turnshroud Female 18-29
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    June 20, 2008 at 12:07 pm
    Lagacy- you`re forgetting that Hitler wanted to kill all the Kews before taking care of his little conquest.

    Also, *facepalm*

    Is there a way I can say that I beleive in Abraham`s God without saying I am agnost/atheist or for one branch of Abrahams God?

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    StefanM Male 18-29
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    June 20, 2008 at 12:08 pm
    I have no doubt that God is able to heal, nor do I doubt that there are valid instances in which God has miraculously healed people... but for crying out loud. God gave us brains. With these brains, we discovered medicine! Medicine with which to heal ourselves. Anyone who believes that going to a hospital is a lack of faith in God is just being ignorant. Jesus said in the New Testament that we aren`t to worry about what we`ll eat or wear or where we`ll live - that God will take care of His own. So, am I showing a lack of faith when I go to work to get a paycheck?

    Yes, terrible things have been done in the name of God, but that doesn`t mean that God condones that behavior. Imagine if you told me that you really didn`t like Bob over there. He did stuff that made you angry. You tell me that I shouldn`t be like Bob. Then I decide to go and kill Bob and burn his family alive, proclaiming your name in the process. That`s kinda what`s happening here.

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    Tonyjet Male 18-29
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    June 20, 2008 at 12:10 pm
    ur so true^^^^
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    catbarf Male 18-29
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    June 20, 2008 at 12:11 pm
    " "They didn`t have enough faith" or some bs excuse."

    No, they`d say that God works in mysterious ways and that the teen`s death was to teach the family yadda yadda yadda. In other words:


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    Tonyjet Male 18-29
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    June 20, 2008 at 12:11 pm
    "Tonyjet- yeah..I read your post wrong...sorry...but yeah you`re right. "

    its cooll happens all the time

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    davymid Male 30-39
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    June 20, 2008 at 12:11 pm
    One night I dreamt that I was walking along the beach with God.
    Across the sky flashed scenes from my life.
    For each scene, I noticed two sets of footprints in the sand.
    One belonged to me, and the other to God.

    But I noticed something strange.
    I noticed that many times along the path of my life,
    There was only one set of footprints.
    I also noticed that it happened at the hardest times in my life.

    I said, “God, I’ve noticed that during the most difficult times of my life,
    There is only one set of footprints.
    I don’t understand why, when I needed you the most,
    You would leave me.”
    God replied, “I didn’t leave you.
    During your times of trial and suffering,
    When you see only one set of footprints,
    That was when I carried you.”

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    beatlefaerie Female 18-29
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    June 20, 2008 at 12:12 pm
    OH MY GOD, how long has good ol` science been around now?
  32. Profile photo of davymid
    davymid Male 30-39
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    June 20, 2008 at 12:13 pm
    And I said to God, “You carried me?
    What the f*ck are you talking about?
    My dog died.
    My sister got killed in a car accident.
    Maybe instead of carrying me,
    You could have stopped these bad things from happening at all.
    Did you ever think of that, you f*cking prick?”
    And God replied, “You stupid Human, do not question the Lord.
    I f*ck with you and then I carry you.
    It’s just something that I enjoy doing.
    If you don’t like it, you can just go to Hell.”

  33. Profile photo of catbarf
    catbarf Male 18-29
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    June 20, 2008 at 12:14 pm
    Davy: But he *loves* you!
  34. Profile photo of beatlefaerie
    beatlefaerie Female 18-29
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    June 20, 2008 at 12:15 pm
    Hahahaha Davy, I was just posting a rebuttal to the first part of your poem.
    Then I saw the second part and deleted my post.

    I like.

  35. Profile photo of REBELComx
    REBELComx Male 18-29
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    June 20, 2008 at 12:15 pm
    The power of Christ compells you...to seek medical attention...dummass.
  36. Profile photo of StefanM
    StefanM Male 18-29
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    June 20, 2008 at 12:17 pm
    "i also love how the religious faction in question is never available for comment after something like this happens. "

    I made my comment available. See above.

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    NYAAN Female 13-17
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    June 20, 2008 at 12:20 pm
    oh whoops, i stretched the page again. sorry!
  38. Profile photo of Turnshroud
    Turnshroud Female 18-29
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    June 20, 2008 at 12:23 pm
    ^But you`re forgetting, ah...certain peoplez have been caught in the conlin der- no offense to you.

    *Still anxiously awaiting textbooks to arrive via UPS* I seriopusly want there to be another religiouse debate. I want to unleash my new found knowledges when I find them. lol, but not here.

    I just say a simple one lined prayer thing- ok an opening line- whatever- to mnaybe boost my confidence on a test or extra luck.

    Although, I think God might have helped me once or twice...I`ll still put that 6 bucks in the sadage (What is it in islam again? Charity I suppose) whene ver I will be able to.

    But I`m not saying God will always answer you. God works in mysteriouse ways- if he exists.

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    Aqua_Bird Female 13-17
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    June 20, 2008 at 12:24 pm
    It`s ok!
    It`s just natural selection: those stupid enough to believe in faith healing have a higher death rate...
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    primetimekin Male 18-29
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    June 20, 2008 at 12:26 pm
    "and we all know averysingle war for the last century had something to do with someones God being better than somebody elses God"
    so, Stalin was never involved in any wars then...
  41. Profile photo of Turnshroud
    Turnshroud Female 18-29
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    June 20, 2008 at 12:27 pm
    ^But you forget Aqua, those people will breed more Christian Extreimists

    And let us not fieget the super Christian Extremists...ie Jesus Camp...

  42. Profile photo of REBELComx
    REBELComx Male 18-29
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    June 20, 2008 at 12:27 pm
    Does anyone else see the irony in StefanM`s defense of Jehova and then have an icon based on a video game character based on a Greek deity?
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    MarthFador Female 18-29
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    June 20, 2008 at 12:31 pm
    ^Kirby is a Greek deity?
  44. Profile photo of primetimekin
    primetimekin Male 18-29
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    June 20, 2008 at 12:32 pm
    "I have no doubt that God is able to heal, nor do I doubt that there are valid instances in which God has miraculously healed people... but for crying out loud. God gave us brains. With these brains, we discovered medicine! Medicine with which to heal ourselves. Anyone who believes that going to a hospital is a lack of faith in God is just being ignorant. Jesus said in the New Testament that we aren`t to worry about what we`ll eat or wear or where we`ll live - that God will take care of His own. So, am I showing a lack of faith when I go to work to get a paycheck?
    Yes, terrible things have been done in the name of God, but that doesn`t mean that God condones that behavior. Imagine if you told me that you really didn`t like Bob over there. He did stuff that made you angry. You tell me that I shouldn`t be like Bob. Then I decide to go and kill Bob and burn his family alive, proclaiming your name in the process. That`s kinda what`s happening here."
    Welcome to IAB!
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    REBELComx Male 18-29
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    June 20, 2008 at 12:40 pm
    Kratos is the Greek god of strength and power. And irony is often meant to be funny. While I am definitely opinionated about this kind of issue, arguing it has become boring (no one will ever change anyone else`s mind). So I have simply taken to making random silly comments in order to bring some nonsensical Chaos into the mix.
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    CaptainPat Male 18-29
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    June 20, 2008 at 12:40 pm
    "atheist scum
    religion is stupid"

    haha nothing wrong with betting on both horses i suppose doug.

  47. Profile photo of Turnshroud
    Turnshroud Female 18-29
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    June 20, 2008 at 12:44 pm
    For when the two clash, the whole darn world trembles and only those smart people can syurvive. Although those two dymb to be afrauid will still fight- metaohorically.
  48. Profile photo of StefanM
    StefanM Male 18-29
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    June 20, 2008 at 12:45 pm
    "Kratos is the Greek god of strength and power. And irony is often meant to be funny. While I am definitely opinionated about this kind of issue, arguing it has become boring (no one will ever change anyone else`s mind). So I have simply taken to making random silly comments in order to bring some nonsensical Chaos into the mix.

    Okay, I just wans`t sure, but now that you`ve cleared it up, I can say I relate entirely. Sometimes I`m not sure why I bother arguing with folks... but then it`s fun for me most of the time.

    Side note: I never knew Kratos was a real part of Greek mythology. I always figured they just creatd him for the video game. Learn something new every day.

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    dougsimpson Male 18-29
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    June 20, 2008 at 12:59 pm
    haha nothing wrong with betting on both horses i suppose doug.

    Extremism in any form is lothesome. Hey pat...

  50. Profile photo of REBELComx
    REBELComx Male 18-29
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    June 20, 2008 at 12:59 pm
    I also find it funny that, while trying to create a perfect race, Hitler went and made the French and the Polish members of his empire...
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    kimberly163 Female 18-29
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    June 20, 2008 at 1:00 pm
    So he`s related to that other girl that was posted here for THE SAME REASON a couple of months ago!!!!
  52. Profile photo of itsallfake
    itsallfake Male 30-39
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    June 20, 2008 at 1:03 pm
    Yep, pretty much hear about this type of thing once or twice a year. Personally i think this kind of thing happens more, but either the media, or the family keeps them hushed. After all the media has to balance itself between these stories and someone seeing jesus on a cracker, or the virgin mary on a hotel stain... The ratio of those news stories keep about the same on an anual basis. Scary thought for the moment: Do you think the kid held as much faith as his family right up to the moment he died, or do you think as he got closer and closer to death and he saw the family`s prayers werent working, that he got scared and lost faith? Which do you find more tragic? Your last breath wondering why God doesn`t love you enough to heal you, or realising this might all just be superstitious horse crap?
  53. Profile photo of Turnshroud
    Turnshroud Female 18-29
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    June 20, 2008 at 1:06 pm
    I think the kid who suffers knows that their relatives prayers do him or her nbo good in these instances unless them themselves beleive
  54. Profile photo of itsallfake
    itsallfake Male 30-39
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    June 20, 2008 at 1:13 pm
    But isn`t the point of a faith healer? Because the faith healer is supposedly strong enough in faith to be able to heal? I mean, unless i am totally guessing wrong, a faith healer heals other people... through faith...
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    itsallfake Male 30-39
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    June 20, 2008 at 1:25 pm
    oh, and just to stir up the fire a bit... Why is it that the religion versus science debate happens on scientific posts like a frozen mamoth, but not on stories like this, where people who have more faith in God than science wind up loosers? It almost seems like the only tactic the religious has is to attack science. Here we have a story about people who obviously were faithful to their god even to the point that saying the most basic medical science is a slight against god that they wouldn`t even take their own child to a doctor for some antibiotics which would literally have saved his life, but they held onto their faith and their belief so much, that they sacrificed their child for it. That`s some faith right there, they took up that banner against science and they ran with it. No doubt with the amount of faith they hold, they are happy their child is in heaven with jesus. Rejoice!
  56. Profile photo of StefanM
    StefanM Male 18-29
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    June 20, 2008 at 1:34 pm
    "Why is it that the religion versus science debate happens on scientific posts...but not on stories like this, where people who have more faith in God than science wind up loosers?"

    Actually, the debate does carry over into these subjects. Imagine if the child had recovered, and the parents proclaimed a miracle. For that matter, what about supposed miracles of more astonishing feats (such as people regaining eyesight, hearing, mobility, etc.) Do people automatically accept these occurences as intervention by some god? Some do, but most certainly not all. Then the debate begins. Was it really a miracle? Was it just the placebo effect? Was it a scam? You get the idea.

    Though I don`t agree with the concept of NOMA (non-overlapping magisteria) as a whole, it should be noted that there are some truths which cannot be known through science (free will for example). Likewise, the Bible is not a scientific document.

  57. Profile photo of StefanM
    StefanM Male 18-29
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    June 20, 2008 at 1:38 pm
    (cont.)
    However, we can use science (archaeology, history, etc.) to verify certain aspects of the Bible such as cities, governors, and so forth. Likewise, the Bible touches on certain scientific truths (the debate `twixt creationists and evolutionists aside) such as the concept of a finite universe that had a beginning. For centuries, Bible-believers were criticized for their ideas about the universe having a beginning. It was thought to be infinite and static. Then, with Einstein`s general relativity and the discovery of CMB and red-shift, science came to the conclusion that the universe did indeed have a beginning and was expanding.

    Now I`m just rambling, though. I don`t remember the point I was trying to make.

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    marencolleen Female 18-29
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    June 20, 2008 at 1:40 pm
    we had this happen in my hometown about a decade ago except with extreme jehovas witnesses or something. the girl was 15 and had the flu. her parents were extremists and prayed through it even though the girl wanted to go to the hospital and her siblings tried getting her away from her parents. she died without her last rights so her parents refused to give her a real burial so she was put in the pauper cemetary with a county marker.(siblings got pissed, exhumed her, and gave her a real burial btw)
  59. Profile photo of REBELComx
    REBELComx Male 18-29
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    June 20, 2008 at 1:42 pm
    The problem Stefan is that people like this story is about DO think the bible is a scientific document. But any intelligent person can disprove that. In TWO separate passages, it refers to bats as types of birds and says that insects have only 4 legs.
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    AlfishKK Female 18-29
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    June 20, 2008 at 1:42 pm
    Like people don`t die after treatment from qualified doctors, either. I think faith healing is a load of crap, but I`m sick of hearing the same headline over and over.
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    Zombieoficer Male 13-17
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    June 20, 2008 at 1:46 pm
    So... they got their head slapped by a loud man in a suit and thought they were fine?

    ...Without thinking they had ANY need at all, to go to any sort of actual doctor, whatsoever?

    I mean, I`m all for religion and stuff, but the day God comes down from heaven and punches me in the face is the day I`ll beleive 100%.

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    xiquiripat Male 18-29
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    June 20, 2008 at 1:47 pm
    I think it`s funny how most christians have never even read the Bible and then get bent all out shape when someone who has read it and thinks it`s total bull.
  63. Profile photo of StefanM
    StefanM Male 18-29
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    June 20, 2008 at 1:50 pm
    "The problem Stefan is that people like this story is about DO think the bible is a scientific document. But any intelligent person can disprove that. In TWO separate passages, it refers to bats as types of birds and says that insects have only 4 legs. "

    Actually, if you study the original Hebrew and context of the passages, you come to some interesting conclusions about those otherwise grossly inaccurate statements. Unfortunately, I don`t have the resources on hand to cite, and I don`t like quoting out of context, so for the moment I can`t support my claim in this forum.

    The problem with these people is their extremist interpretation of the Bible. That does not, however mean that there is a problem with the Bible itself - which is my point overall.

  64. Profile photo of REBELComx
    REBELComx Male 18-29
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    June 20, 2008 at 2:00 pm
    If we were study the original Hebrew and Greek and Aramaic texts, most of the Bible would be interpreted VERY differently than the church has for the past 1700 years. Especialy the Greek parts since Greeks often used the same word to mean 5 or 6 related but very different things. Of course, no "original" txts actually exist. All we have are newer copies of older pieces. And since for it`s first 600 or 700 years of existence, only Clergy were allowed to actually read the Bible, who knows what got changed. All religions are subject to corruption by politics and vice versa, hence the attempt to separate the two during the Age of Enlightenment when science and logic became more popular and the church lost it`s grip on power.
  65. Profile photo of ukulelemike
    ukulelemike Male 40-49
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    June 20, 2008 at 2:12 pm
    If these people just read their bibles, they would see that neither Jesus nor the Apostles ever healed anyone who was already a believer in Christ. There is a reason for calling it `faith` healing-not because you need faith to be healed, but because the primary purpose of it is to bring faith in those who are healed. As well, while I know of a very few verifiable cases, generally healing was an apostolic gift, which ended with the death of the final 12 Apostles, an office which has not continued in the churches, as it was a unique office, for the beginning of the church age.
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    catbarf Male 18-29
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    June 20, 2008 at 2:18 pm
    "Was it really a miracle? Was it just the placebo effect? Was it a scam? You get the idea."

    See the picture I posted on the previous page.

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    ukulelemike Male 40-49
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    June 20, 2008 at 2:24 pm
    As far as hitler wanting to kill all the Jews, pretty much everybody hated the Jews at that time-Hitler was just the one who decided to do something about them. The extreme was he dealt with them was far beyond anything anyone else could approve of, which is why the world collectively pitied them and allowed them to reclaim Israel for their home. Everyone hated them ,just a little less that Hitler-no one else wanted to see them killed off completely, just didn`t want them in the neighborhood.

    Faith healers are scam artists out to make a buck out of poor and stupid people who foolishly place their faith in a person`s claimed ability to heal, rather than in Christ alone for salvation. God gave men gifts of knowlegde and wisdom, as well, and with these, cures and teatments can be found for diseases. I don`t like a lot of what goes on in medical circles, and most drugs will kill you while only masking the symptoms of a disease, but doctors certainly do have many good uses as well.

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    SwissNipsUK Male 18-29
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    June 20, 2008 at 2:25 pm
    GOD DOESN`t EXIST ! why does no one listen , how can god exist and all the other religions be wrong , Medicine works people , my nans just had leg surgery so that kind of proves it , if she didn`t she would have died !
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    eleutherarch Female 13-17
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    June 20, 2008 at 2:31 pm
    o_o If I was sick I`d...y`know...take medicine.
    Don`t most Christians just take medicine too unless they`re really serious about their religion?
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    ohthedrama Male 30-39
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    June 20, 2008 at 2:38 pm
    "More proof that religion is stupid."

    Religion isn`t stupid...people are stupid. Everybody seems to feel that all terrible things happen because of religion...at mostly on this sight it`s narrowed to Christians.

    "as in 2000 years of suffering, persecution, famine, wars, and hangings wasnt enuff."

    All that was happening long before 2000 years...

    Also you don`t need religion for ALL of the things mentioned. Religion is a powerful tool all too easy to abuse, but the actual point of religion has NOTHING to do with causing said suffering on others.

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    Nidonemo Male 18-29
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    June 20, 2008 at 2:40 pm
    Guys, faith and prayer are wonderful things, but science is also there to help. It`s not an evil thing. The two are probably best when combined.

    Science to analyze the problem and heal it, and faith and prayer to speed the process along.

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    StefanM Male 18-29
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    June 20, 2008 at 2:48 pm
    "Of course, no "original" txts actually exist."

    You`re definitely right there...

    "All we have are newer copies of older pieces. And since for it`s first 600 or 700 years of existence, only Clergy were allowed to actually read the Bible, who knows what got changed."

    Actually, we have copies of the gospel of Matthew dated back some time between 35 and 70 years after the death of Christ, and the accuracy of our modern copies to this are within the 98th percentile. Technically speaking, the New Testament is the most accurately copied document in history.

    "All religions are subject to corruption by politics and vice versa..."

    Again, you are most certainly correct.

    "when science and logic became more popular and the church lost it`s grip on power."

    The Church was much more a political organization than a religious one at the time (in so far as Papal authority was regarded as superior to Biblical authority).

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    LtFurpie Male 30-39
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    June 20, 2008 at 2:55 pm
    "Arthur hoped and prayed that there wasn`t an afterlife. Then he realised there was a contradiction there and merely hoped that there wasn`t an afterlife."
    -D. Adams
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    Overmann Male 18-29
    2600 posts
    June 20, 2008 at 3:00 pm
    What`s more tragic is that the child was of legal age to refuse medical treatment without the consent of his parents... and that`s exactly what he did. The child refused, of his own volition, to refuse proper medical treatment. I say `of his own volition` but I suspect the child had no decision-making skills that were not overridden by his parents to reflect their own twisted beliefs.

    When something beneficial happens, it`s a miracle. When something tragic and painful happens, it`s God`s Will. Even with this incoherent inconsistency, the belief that God is benevolent persists. So far, the only conclusion I`ve been able to come up with is that (and I`m bending over backwards, mind you) if God existed, he doesn`t give a flying f*ck either way.

    "The two are probably best when combined."

    Funny. Whenever I`ve noticed the two combined, faith always tended to want to overrule science, much as it wants to do so now in the education system.

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    LazyMe484 Male 18-29
    10441 posts
    June 20, 2008 at 3:04 pm
    Hah! What a truly hilarous video. I was feeling really cheered up when I watched this, but then I started reading some of these comments...

    "Technically speaking, the New Testament is the most accurately copied document in history"

    You wish! Hah! That record most likely belongs to the US constitution. Anyway, the new testament was assembled through the votes of various christian sects at the council of Nicaea. You might call it well copied but its origins are far from `perfect`.

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    GL_Sector616 Male 18-29
    60 posts
    June 20, 2008 at 3:05 pm
    Here`s the real problem. You never hear about some adult dying because all they did was pray and never go to a doctor. It`s always a child that they refuse medical attention in favor of religious attention. People gotta stop pushing their religion on their damn kids. Ignorance is a very dangerous thing.
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    [DLM]Jimbo Male 18-29
    170 posts
    June 20, 2008 at 3:20 pm
    whoops
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    Overmann Male 18-29
    2600 posts
    June 20, 2008 at 3:21 pm
    "People gotta stop pushing their religion on their damn kids."

    That is probably the biggest factor contributing to blatantly stupid and completely unnecessary tragedies like the one portrayed in this story. Unfortunately, I`m at a loss as to how to solve that problem. Public and unbridled ridicule seems only to convince those infected with the mind virus that the Devil is "testing their faith".

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    StefanM Male 18-29
    63 posts
    June 20, 2008 at 3:30 pm
    "You wish! Hah! That record most likely belongs to the US constitution. Anyway, the new testament was assembled through the votes of various christian sects at the council of Nicaea."

    Perhaps then I should rephrase my statement. The New Testament is one of the most accurately copied texts in history. However, considering there are over 5,000 Greek manuscripts alone (we won`t even get into the other languages from later years), the New Testament puts other documents to shame. Consider that the document with the next most manuscript testimony is Homer`s Iliad with fewer than 650 manuscripts remaining today. And I haven`t heard anyone say that it`s been mistranslated. As far as comparing the NT to the Constitution, the NT has ssurvived for over 2,000 years whereas the Constitution just over a tenth of that!

    Your knowledge of Church history seems to consist of little more than "The Da Vinci Code" so I`ll leave it at that.

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    TheMadOtter Male 13-17
    36 posts
    June 20, 2008 at 3:43 pm
    how stupid. what the hell is wrong with those parents? and what the f*** is that neighbor smiling at!?
  81. Profile photo of splurbyburbl
    splurbyburbl Male 30-39
    2798 posts
    June 20, 2008 at 3:54 pm
    You wrote:

    "Religion isn`t stupid...people are stupid. Everybody seems to feel that all terrible things happen because of religion...at mostly on this sight it`s narrowed to Christians."

    Interesting you should say that considering religion was and is created by people.

    People are stupid therefore religion is stupid.

    You wouldn`t happen to be religious, hmm?

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    eeeriddler08 Female 13-17
    375 posts
    June 20, 2008 at 5:25 pm
    thats so stupid..poor kid =[
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    Akito Female 18-29
    344 posts
    June 20, 2008 at 5:37 pm
    Religion + Internet = wank
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    mrsguineapig Female 13-17
    3 posts
    June 20, 2008 at 5:39 pm
    Alright, that`s it, I`m not visiting this site again. I never really posted that much, but I visited here every day. Anyways, I am a Christian and am very offended that you guys would talk about religion in such a way. I don`t really care if you don`t want to believe in God, but you don`t have to bash Him. I don`t shove religion down people`s throats because I think that is a sin. Also, these people were stupid. God, in a way, created medicine. He gave us the brains to create the medicine. I strongly believe that if you`re sick, you should go to the doctor, you shouldn`t just pray. Well, I think you should pray, but STILL GO TO THE DOCTOR! I wouldn`t have said anything, but I`m just totally disgusted with some of the posts on here. I really don`t give a crap if you guys just want to say you don`t like religion, just please don`t say that Christians are stupid and ignorant. Whatever. I`m leaving. Couldn`t you guys at least try to be a bit more respectful? Well, bye.
  85. Profile photo of Cheese84o6
    Cheese84o6 Male 13-17
    394 posts
    June 20, 2008 at 5:48 pm
    Lol, i guess they don`t beleive God has a purpose for doctors XD
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    Cheese84o6 Male 13-17
    394 posts
    June 20, 2008 at 5:50 pm
    and wow... ms. guineapig, that may be the least christian like thing i`ve heard all day
  87. Profile photo of Overmann
    Overmann Male 18-29
    2600 posts
    June 20, 2008 at 5:58 pm
    Mrsguineapig, I don`t have to be respectful towards belief systems that I view as harmful to society. Racism deserves no respect for very similar reasons. Point is, there`s no reason to afford some special respect towards religion "just because". At least, none I`ve heard. Maybe you offer a different take?

    On another point, I don`t think anyone in the 13-17 age range should have such strong convictions about faith as you clearly hold, mrsguineapig. Take a break from the dogma and live a little, all the while critically thinking about what people from both sides say about faith. A decision to believe after rigorous examination is more respectable, I think, then merely believing what your parents would have you believe.

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    primetimekin Male 18-29
    7935 posts
    June 20, 2008 at 5:59 pm
    "GOD DOESN`t EXIST ! why does no one listen , how can god exist and all the other religions be wrong , Medicine works people , my nans just had leg surgery so that kind of proves it , if she didn`t she would have died !"

    Wow, that is hands down one of the worst claims for there to be no God. So if someone dies in surgery that would be proof of a God but if someone survives its proof there isn`t a God. That means there isn`t a God 97% of the time but the other 3% there is a God (numbers made up just to prove a point)

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    primetimekin Male 18-29
    7935 posts
    June 20, 2008 at 6:02 pm
    "When something beneficial happens, it`s a miracle. When something tragic and painful happens, it`s God`s Will. Even with this incoherent inconsistency, the belief that God is benevolent persists. So far, the only conclusion I`ve been able to come up with is that (and I`m bending over backwards, mind you) if God existed, he doesn`t give a flying f*ck either way."

    If something bad happens, thats proof there is no God. If something good happens, its placebo or all in their heads.

  90. Profile photo of primetimekin
    primetimekin Male 18-29
    7935 posts
    June 20, 2008 at 6:04 pm
    "On another point, I don`t think anyone in the 13-17 age range should have such strong convictions about faith as you clearly hold, mrsguineapig. Take a break from the dogma and live a little, all the while critically thinking about what people from both sides say about faith. A decision to believe after rigorous examination is more respectable, I think, then merely believing what your parents would have you believe."

    Been there, done that. When I was doing the whole confirmation thing I started to wonder whether I had it right.
    Asked myself questions, like Is Catholicism correct? Is Jesus a messiah? Is there a God? I eventually came to a conclusion. I wasn`t going to believe in something just because my parents believed it, I wanted to find out on my own. To this day I still ask these questions and still come up with the same answers. Maybe I should change the questions. Where is waldo?

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    primetimekin Male 18-29
    7935 posts
    June 20, 2008 at 6:06 pm
    "Interesting you should say that considering religion was and is created by people.

    People are stupid therefore religion is stupid"

    Science was created by people. Deductive reasoning is a bitch ain`t it?

  92. Profile photo of SilentFray
    SilentFray Female 18-29
    678 posts
    June 20, 2008 at 6:36 pm
    "We have enough religion to hate but not enough to love one another"

    to each, their own. unless it conflicts with health. i never understood religion so i can`t bash it in any way. i just don`t understand how erogant and stubborn the parents were not to take thier kid to a REAL doctor.

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    Overmann Male 18-29
    2600 posts
    June 20, 2008 at 6:38 pm
    "To this day I still ask these questions and still come up with the same answers."

    I`d really like to see your whole thought process laid out in writing, every question you come up with and every response you use to put it to rest. Heck, I`d even make a new e-mail account for you to send an attachment to.

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    Pabasa Male 18-29
    4012 posts
    June 20, 2008 at 7:02 pm
    Full joke:

    A guy was drowning in the ocean. A boat came by and asked "Do you need some help?" The guy said, "No thanks, God will save me." Then another boat came by and asked the same thing, "Do you want us the help you?" Then the guy said,"No thanks God will save me."

    Then the guy drowned and died and in heaven he asked God, "Why didn`t you save me?" Then God said, "I sent you two big boats dummy!"

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    boredfjord Male 13-17
    928 posts
    June 20, 2008 at 7:18 pm
    SURPRISE!!! No poo, Sherlock. The only reason people believe in faith healing is this: personal testimony about how someone survived an accident or recovered from an illness and doctors said they should be dead. This is the ONLY kind of personal testimony people hear, since the millions and millions who DO die aren`t around to give testimony.
  96. Profile photo of MYCHEMGIRL
    MYCHEMGIRL Female 13-17
    1287 posts
    June 20, 2008 at 7:18 pm
    so he had a problem with his bladder?
    or did he just not pee for a really long time.
  97. Profile photo of bearfinger
    bearfinger Male 18-29
    13 posts
    June 20, 2008 at 7:26 pm
    that would have sucked not being able to piss until your bladder explodes
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    davymid Male 30-39
    12140 posts
    June 20, 2008 at 7:37 pm
    I`m guessing dead child. Difference is, I`ll call it a human tragedy, you`ll call it the Will of God.

    Who`s the C*nt in this scenario?

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    davymid Male 30-39
    12140 posts
    June 20, 2008 at 7:53 pm
    PTK, your god does not exist. Examine that, think about it, and enrich your current life, right now. Lay down your childhood teddy bear.

    I`ve been there. Happiest days in my life was when I believed in Father Christmas.

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    Dragonlord Male 18-29
    734 posts
    June 20, 2008 at 10:23 pm
    If only they believed in the Darwin Awards...
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    handsomefag Male 18-29
    294 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 12:36 am
    Yeppp can`t expect God to help everyone
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    kcpd2050 Male 40-49
    330 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 12:39 am
    They should go to jail forever. The end. Idiots.
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    dragonshadoz Female 18-29
    4031 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 2:02 am
    Oh, the irony.
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    opiebreath Female 18-29
    15774 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 2:31 am
    In other news, water doesn`t burn witches.

    Also, blood letting proven unsuccessful.

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    DrkAng3LxNat Female 18-29
    1071 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 3:24 am
    haven`t we seen this before?

    with that other girl who died because their parents believed in faith healing?

    ugh, they don`t believe in medicine, just like they don`t believe in gravity...

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    usernaem Male 13-17
    38 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 3:25 am
    LOL
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    buttersrules Male 40-49
    407 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 6:01 am
    TonyBlairPM: Without even entering into any religious argument, how can you say someone is scum just because they choose not to believe in god? And if you think atheists are scum, that means that you must profess a belief in some god yourself. If that is the case, are you faithfully executing the tenets of your particular faith by prejudging another section of the community, and inciting hatred?
    It seems at least one insecure little toe rag just loves to label anyone with any form of belief (or ethnicity, as shown in other posts) as scum. I think it may be because the word scum can easily be typed solely with the left hand, whilst the right hand is obviously busy doing other things.
  108. Profile photo of Qtw
    Qtw Male 13-17
    36 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 8:24 am
    FREAKING BIBLE THUMPERS!!! god it ticks me off that they need to learn that when humans have the potential to heal ourselves GOD WILL NOT HEAL US.they need to learn that.if i had a child and he/she was sick id take them to a doctor. they are dying id take them to a doctor and pray for their success not rely on god completely. when we get the potential to heal ourselves of a disease god will not heal us at all.GOD PEOPLE ARE STUPID!
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    Tiredofnicks Male 30-39
    5097 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 10:38 am
    /headdesk

    ITT: Proof that people have too much time on their hands.

    TonyBlairPM: Very well put. Eloquent and convincing, and with a killing final point.

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    StufftKid13 Male 13-17
    418 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 11:01 am
    "You wish! Hah! That record most likely belongs to the US constitution. Anyway, the new testament was assembled through the votes of various christian sects at the council of Nicaea. You might call it well copied but its origins are far from `perfect`."

    Well uhm... The Constitution has been changed many times, ie. Amendments added... so wouldn`t that be even farther from the original document than the New Testament?

    Well people, I`m going to put in my 2 cents here. I am a strong Lutheran Christian, but I am going to ask that athiest do not start calling me a `Cultist` or anything stupid like that.

    I believe in God the Father, and Jesus the Messiah. I also beleive in science. Having a Faith Healer is great and all, but a doctor should be utilized in medical cases too. God made plants and herbs and things like that, and gave them healing powers. He gave humans knowledge, and that knowledge was used to start medical services. Doctors are not masters of Blasphemy, after all

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    feiku Female 18-29
    525 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 11:06 am
    ..So..much..religious..hateee...
    I`m completely, 100%, atheist, but I`d never insult someone else`s religion or try to convince them their religion is "wrong".
    Acceptance, people, acceptance!
  112. Profile photo of StufftKid13
    StufftKid13 Male 13-17
    418 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 11:06 am
    Now being a devote christian, it does kind of hurt me that the athiests on this site continually (sp?) speak badly of religion. I don`t let it bother me though, because everyone has their opinions. Athiests beleive in no religion, Christians believe in Christ, Greek believe in Zues and their other gods, etc. Religion should be a private thing. You don`t bother my beliefs, I won`t bother yours. I don`t go knocking on peoples doors asking them to come to christ, because if they were at any time going to believe in God, then they would do it on their own.

    That being said, everyone should take their coins of their country and throw them at ducks. 10 points if you hit them in the head!

  113. Profile photo of StufftKid13
    StufftKid13 Male 13-17
    418 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 11:12 am
    "..So..much..religious..hateee...
    I`m completely, 100%, atheist, but I`d never insult someone else`s religion or try to convince them their religion is "wrong".
    Acceptance, people, acceptance!"

    You are officially my favorite athiest ever.

    I really don`t have a problem with athiests not believing in god, as long as they don`t go around town screaming "THERE IS NO GOD!"

  114. Profile photo of Overmann
    Overmann Male 18-29
    2600 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 11:39 am
    "Athiests beleive in no religion..."

    Actually, atheists don`t necessarily believe in anything. Atheism is defined as the lack of belief in God, not the belief that there is no God or that there should be no religion. Many atheists *also* may happen to believe such things, but you can`t generalize that under the umbrella of `atheists`.

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    LemonTarte Female 18-29
    1441 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 11:48 am
    OH! No sh*t what did they think was going to happen? It`s terrible that an innocent girl had to die unnesacarily due to the stupidity of her own parents. It`s times like this that you just want to say "WHAT NOW???". You`re not gonna say it. But you`re thinking it.
  116. Profile photo of BiggerRob
    BiggerRob Male 13-17
    2 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 1:15 pm
    "Ah.. that`s terrible.

    But surely, if you were gunna ask some almighty power for help - you`d only ask if it was a real emergency? Isnt it like a waste of their time to be listening to prayers about stuff that can be "healed" by real doctors..

    I dunno, maybe im just not understanding it?"

    That about sums it up. Religion can be good, some people are just stupid...

  117. Profile photo of Ace_Cosmo
    Ace_Cosmo Female 13-17
    165 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 2:08 pm
    I don`t think these people were what you`d call `real` Christians, they`re more of the cult type -- as far as I know, in the Bible there`s nothing that says you should always pray for healing and not go see a doctor. Those people are just morons, plain and simple.
  118. Profile photo of MCR
    MCR Female 13-17
    43 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 4:52 pm
    It`s "The Exorcism of Emily Rose" all over again o.o
  119. Profile photo of Triskele
    Triskele Female 18-29
    215 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 6:03 pm
    When will people like that realize that god doesn`t exist and they`re only talking to themselves when they pray?
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    DemonCurtain Male 18-29
    244 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 7:45 pm
    Oh pfft! This just sent him to God faster!
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    firefliet Female 18-29
    1232 posts
    June 22, 2008 at 8:41 pm
    -facepalm-

    Well THAT faith healer is out of the job.

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    NumbuhZero Female 18-29
    878 posts
    June 22, 2008 at 11:28 pm
    Goddamn hippies.
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    ne028 Male 18-29
    889 posts
    June 23, 2008 at 5:53 pm
    why arent the church members held responsible??
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    Haruhi Female 13-17
    85 posts
    November 30, 2008 at 12:10 am
    *Groans*

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