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651 Responses to Proof That No One Can Get Into Heaven?

  1. Profile photo of soigieoto
    soigieoto Male 13-17
    234 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 10:46 am
    Link: Proof That No One Can Get Into Heaven? - To prove it, all we have to do is read what Jesus said in the Bible.
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    Ericarox Female 13-17
    128 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 1:34 pm
    any one can get in heavan
  3. Profile photo of Ericarox
    Ericarox Female 13-17
    128 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 1:34 pm
    you guys ar just changing his words
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    Ericarox Female 13-17
    128 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 1:35 pm
    i better not here anyone say this is true because its not im not going to even open the post and other believers should do the same
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    DeeCache Male 18-29
    788 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 1:36 pm
    HAHAHA Such good stuff IAB posts hey?
  6. Profile photo of Ericarox
    Ericarox Female 13-17
    128 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 1:36 pm
    GOD LOVES EVERYONE!!!!!!!!! and any one can get into heaven if you just believe the things he has done are true and dont look at things like this to question your beliefs
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    elHadji Male 70 & Over
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    June 21, 2008 at 1:37 pm
    Screw this, the overtime is about to begin.
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    are7era Male 18-29
    562 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 1:38 pm
    I am an atheist (border agnostic), but my father is a minister and I can tell you that he is not using the correct wording of the third step.
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    spp Female 18-29
    299 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 1:39 pm
    Calm down ericarox.

    gawd.

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    Ericarox Female 13-17
    128 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 1:40 pm
    sorry : (
  11. Profile photo of patthebaker
    patthebaker Male 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 1:40 pm
    for those new to IAB religeos debates are the norm they never stop ever
  12. Profile photo of Ericarox
    Ericarox Female 13-17
    128 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 1:40 pm
    im just a really strong believer in god and what he did is ALL true and any one can get into heaven
  13. Profile photo of patthebaker
    patthebaker Male 18-29
    1768 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 1:41 pm
    Bet anyone this gets over 5 pages of comments
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    DeeCache Male 18-29
    788 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 1:41 pm
    Honestly, I don`t care. I`m Catholic and this video won`t cahnge my beliefs. I don`t think it will change many peoples beliefs but who really cares? You gotta go out of your way to prove some guy `our saveior` (don`t know how to spell) that is like 2000 and some years old, wrong. It makes no sense to me, He`s not going to do anything because he`s dead! haha Lets prove him wrongg now after we killd him MUAHAHA!
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    sarahxoxo Female 18-29
    493 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 1:41 pm
    A Satanic Cult to get into Heaven?

    Lolz

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    HeroOfTime Female 18-29
    26 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 1:44 pm
    This is really irritating..

    I am not biased.. I`ll start there.. My boyfriend is an atheist and i dont have a current denomination reglion.. I know the bible and i know other religons..
    This is not what Jesus is trying to say... everything is takin out of text and time relation. When Jesus says "Selleverything" he means poseessions so that that man and follow him in that time era.. now we can`t be the type of follow they had in the times of Jesus. Eat and Drink flesh/blood, out of text again. It doesnt mean hate your mother and father it means leave the household, and still love them but keep God highest on the list. Its complicated, no doubt... but this guy is stupid.

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    spp Female 18-29
    299 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 1:45 pm
    These are pretty pathetic points. It`s quite clear that that guy is just nitpicking at things and misinterpreting verses to make a point. anyone can do that about anything.
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    Ericarox Female 13-17
    128 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 1:45 pm
    **************How to live forever************ look below
  19. Profile photo of Ericarox
    Ericarox Female 13-17
    128 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 1:45 pm

    Instructions
    Difficulty: Easy
    Things You’ll Need:

    * An open heart
    * An open mind
    * A strong desire for a "better" life

    Step1
    Now, when you first came upon this article you probably read on out of pure skepticism. But, what if I told you that there is absolutely a way for you to live forever? Where you would never feel pain. Where you would never know sorrow? Where nothing would prevent you from living the life most of us could only imagine? Well, my friend, there is such a place, and you are invited there. It is called Heaven and it is the Kingdom of God.
    Step2
    Our ability to live on in Heaven is because of Jesus Christ and his sacrifice. Jesus Christ is the only begotten son of God. He was sent to Earth in the form of a man. He was born and lived his life completely without sin. Then, he surrendered his life to die upon the cross as penance for the all of the sins that you and I have ever or will ever commit. Because Jesus was

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    iAMzach Male 18-29
    606 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 1:45 pm
    dude this guy is fcking nitpicking. "if you are a normal intelligent adult bla bla bla..."

    Normal intelligent adults get all their facts straight before they make stupid youtube videos trying to disprove something.

    i consider myself a "normal" intelligent person i.e. i`m in college have a job a girlfriend and friends...drive a car...take dumps...etc...but hey i still elive there is a heaven

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    yaimhere Female 18-29
    72 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 1:45 pm
    Yeah not to agree with christanity or go against it, but this guy was truly annoying. Any normal, intelligent person would realize that.
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    REBELComx Male 18-29
    477 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 1:45 pm
    Here we go again. These religious posts are becoming boring...the exact thing this site is here to prevent.

    On the other hand...are7era is friggin HOT!!!

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    Ericarox Female 13-17
    128 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 1:45 pm
    without sin, his death was the ultimate sacrifice. He loved you so much that he gave his own life, our Lord gave his only son, so that we may have eternal life.
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    Ericarox Female 13-17
    128 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 1:46 pm
    Step3
    All that is required of us is that we acknowledge our sin, that we recognize our inequities. That we ask for the Lord to forgive us. That we truly intend to avoid those sins. We accept Jesus Christ into our hearts. As he walks with us each day, he reminds us of the covenant we have made with him, to live a more righteous life. To serve him. To share his word with others, so that they may partake of his gift of eternal life.
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    Monsdurr Male 13-17
    741 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 1:46 pm
    Ericarox
    Typical. Close you eyes, close you mind, stay ignorant.
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    Ericarox Female 13-17
    128 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 1:46 pm
    Step4
    If you are in need of a friend, if you feel lost and are not sure where to turn, if you want to live a more meaningful, happier life, say this prayer:

    Dear Lord,

    I come to you as a sinner. I know that you gave your only son to die upon the cross so that I may be forgiven of my sin. I want to turn from my sinful ways. I want to live my life according to your will. I ask for Jesus to come into my heart. I want to have a personal relationship with you, Dear Lord. Please cleanse my soul. Please walk with me in this new life. Please help me to avoid temptations and to serve you to the best of my ability. I thank you Dear Lord with all my heart. In Jesus Christ`s name, I pray, Amen.

    "That if you confess with your mouth, `Jesus is Lord,` and believe in your heart that God raised
    Him from the dead, you will be saved."
    —Romans 10:9 (NIV)

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    Ericarox Female 13-17
    128 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 1:46 pm
    Step5
    If you read this prayer, and you truly desire to live your life for Jesus and share in eternal life, then please, visit the web sites below. They will provide you with a wealth of information on beginning your new life with Jesus Christ.
  28. Profile photo of Ericarox
    Ericarox Female 13-17
    128 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 1:47 pm
    you guys do want to live forever dont you and notice how the difficulty is EASY!!!!
  29. Profile photo of RyanF701
    RyanF701 Male 18-29
    2486 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 1:47 pm
    Well, I can explain a few things.

    The love/honor and hate your father, mother, and everyone else thing means: Love them, but not more than you love God.

    The eat flesh and blood thing, was just stupid, he`s obviously speaking metaphorically and if you read the rest of that chapter you can understand that if you can read at all, because he tells you.

    It`s also annoying how he says "If your a normal, intelligent adult" all the time, if he was a normal, intelligent adult, he would be able to see that his logic has so many holes in it.

    I`m not even religious, I`m just not an idiot like this guy apparently is.

  30. Profile photo of Ericarox
    Ericarox Female 13-17
    128 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 1:48 pm
    got all of that from LOOK HERE
  31. Profile photo of RyanF701
    RyanF701 Male 18-29
    2486 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 1:48 pm
    "
    Ericarox
    Typical. Close you eyes, close you mind, stay ignorant. "

    It`s funny, because, you just called yourself ignorant.

    You won`t listen to what she has to say, and she won`t listen to what you have to say.

    That makes you ignorant as well, GREAT job.

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    xp Male 30-39
    522 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 1:49 pm
    This guy`s argument is weak as drat and stupid. He`s swift-boating Jesus. God is Imaginary, that much is obvious, but this guy is a pompous moron.
  33. Profile photo of patthebaker
    patthebaker Male 18-29
    1768 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 1:49 pm
    ericarox people have given just as much for less
  34. Profile photo of Majin19
    Majin19 Male 18-29
    27 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 1:49 pm
    "But, what if I told you that there is absolutely a way for you to live forever?"

    This is exactly why all religions seem made up. They all promise the same things based on man`s fear of death, and serve as a way to control people.

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    Monsdurr Male 13-17
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    June 21, 2008 at 1:49 pm
    RyanF701
    How do you know I haven`t read what she said?
    Assumptions, assumptions.
  36. Profile photo of AnwarNova
    AnwarNova Male 18-29
    2076 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 1:49 pm
    This person has never taken an English literature class.

    Otherwise they`d be aware of the first rule of interpreting texts.

    Context.

  37. Profile photo of iAMzach
    iAMzach Male 18-29
    606 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 1:49 pm
    ryanf701...lol...good point. but hey....look up the theory of the uncaused cause...thats what did it for me...
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    opiebreath Female 18-29
    15774 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 1:50 pm
    I don`t trust quotes from the bible. Not that it`s not a valid book, but that it`s so complex, one tiny quote can be taken so many different ways out of context.

    That said, "steps" for how to receive eternal happiness and life seem more to me like wishful thinking than anything.

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    RyanF701 Male 18-29
    2486 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 1:50 pm
    "
    RyanF701
    How do you know I haven`t read what she said?
    Assumptions, assumptions."

    There is a fine line between reading/seeing and listening.

    I`m sure you read it, otherwise you wouldn`t have said anything, you won`t take any of it into consideration though, just like she wont take your views into consideration.

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    The_Maddog Male 30-39
    3369 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 1:51 pm
    Ericarox

    Practice what you preach and get an open mind. Go educate yourself and you might acctually see what a huge lie organised religion is..the bible being one of the major lies!

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    Ericarox Female 13-17
    128 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 1:51 pm
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    Bigbadwolf Male 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 1:51 pm
    lol whywontgodhealamputees.com

    But, in all honesty. Proof and reason why agnosticism is much more reasonable than most think.

    Also, I like how he constantly says "Normal, Intelligent, Adult"

    He should know that no one is normal and intelligence is completely opinionated.

    Either way, I feel he is right.

    Meh, I`m agnostic, whatever. Believe what you wish. I take no offense by others` religions. That is, unlike them die-hard christians. I`ve been told I`ll go to hell SO many times. It`s kinda funny now.

    --BBW

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    Monsdurr Male 13-17
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    June 21, 2008 at 1:52 pm
    RyanF701
    Listen, I`ve been to sunday school, church, read parts of the bible for myself, and all that jazz. I`ve been Christian the majority of my life, and I`ll already know all that stuff that she spouted out.
  44. Profile photo of RyanF701
    RyanF701 Male 18-29
    2486 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 1:52 pm
    "Practice what you preach and get an open mind. Go educate yourself and you might acctually see what a huge lie organised religion is..the bible being one of the major lies!"

    THE BIBLE DOESNT EXIST ERICAROX, RUN, THEY ARE ALL JUST BOOKS THAT FIRE MIND CONTROL DEVICES INTO YOUR BRAIN WHEN YOUR NOT LOOKING. TINFOIL HAATTSSS

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    iAMzach Male 18-29
    606 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 1:52 pm
    http://www.rationalchristianity.net/unca...
  46. Profile photo of RyanF701
    RyanF701 Male 18-29
    2486 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 1:53 pm
    "
    RyanF701
    Listen, I`ve been to sunday school, church, read parts of the bible for myself, and all that jazz. I`ve been Christian the majority of my life, and I`ll already know all that stuff that she spouted out."

    So why call her ignorant at all? I can`t say I`m a fan of zealous religious people either, but I don`t care if they have an opinion.

  47. Profile photo of AnwarNova
    AnwarNova Male 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 1:53 pm
    lol Ericarox, The Maddog and Monsdurr are hilarious. They think they can change people`s beliefs...ONLINE.

    :-D

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    Ericarox Female 13-17
    128 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 1:53 pm
    The_Maddog of im not going to think thats i im sticking with my belifs
  49. Profile photo of Bigbadwolf
    Bigbadwolf Male 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 1:54 pm
    Lawlz Anwar... True... So... True...

    --BBW

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    Ericarox Female 13-17
    128 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 1:55 pm
    lol
  51. Profile photo of Monsdurr
    Monsdurr Male 13-17
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    June 21, 2008 at 1:55 pm
    AnwarNova
    No, I don`t.
  52. Profile photo of iAMzach
    iAMzach Male 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 1:55 pm
    lol herooftime...dont be so hard on the guy...he means well..but to todays standards he does come off as a little crazy...if he really thinks hes saving peoples eternal souls then damn...hes one fine human being
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    Apple_18 Female 18-29
    475 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 1:55 pm
    Okay, so why does everyone dwell on the OLD testament? and then say it doesnt make sense? O.o

    and Ericarox, if other people want to not believe and go to hell...its on them. You cant "save" everyone ya know? Otherwise there would be no heaven or hell there would just...be.

    I did find it interesting when he was saying "we DO know where the wind comes from..." The way i see it though, if you were an "Intelegent Adult" id imagine youd realize that when jesus was saying these things, they couldnt have really known where the wind comes from. They werent as technologically advanced as us. O.o

  54. Profile photo of patthebaker
    patthebaker Male 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 1:55 pm
    its only been half and hour and were already three pages in i was right
  55. Profile photo of AnwarNova
    AnwarNova Male 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 1:56 pm
    You had me for a second there, Mondsurr. Glad to hear you`re with the sane crowd :-)
  56. Profile photo of RyanF701
    RyanF701 Male 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 1:56 pm
    I really don`t see the point in arguing anything at all, I mean, we`ll all find out someday anyways lol.

    It`s like arguing about the results of the superbowl before it`s over, someone`s going to get their wittle feewings huwt in the end.

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    Bigbadwolf Male 18-29
    335 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 1:56 pm
    This kind of think is what makes it fun to shout things like "Go Hillary", "Gay Marriage FTW", and "Agnostically delicious" in WoW.

    I`d like to say that I don`t do this, but it`s fun to read the radical comments of strictly right-wing conservatives. JUST like some of you guys, preaching to others. This is just one man`s opinion (or more than one). Accept it or don`t. That`s it...
    --BBW

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    iAMzach Male 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 1:57 pm
    go i hate forums that get bum rushed like this...to many posts...to hard to get a word in...bleh..i think ill go watch tv
  59. Profile photo of Ericarox
    Ericarox Female 13-17
    128 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 1:57 pm
    ya but you can try to save everyone if you save one person then that person will save one person and so one. i want to save every one thats a Christians goal in life
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    yugothewolf Male 18-29
    68 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 1:57 pm
    I`m not Uber-Religious... But even I know that this guy is a F**KING RETARD!

    The Bible is not meant to take literally word for word. It is a series of stories and metaphors that you must derive meaning from.

    This guy is sooo friggin ignorant... and apparently spitefully against Christianity...

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    spp Female 18-29
    299 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 1:57 pm
    Good point herooftime. I have to say that`s one of the many reasons I stopped going to church. The thought of someone believing they can change someone`s life by standing on a street corner shouting through a megaphone bible verses makes me pity them, and I also didn`t want to be associated with that.

    Hey, if someone goes through their whole life without hearing about jesus or god. They go to heaven right? because it`s not their fault they haven`t have the choice. How about you don`t tell ANYONE about Jesus, then either everyone goes to heaven, or if it`s not true then we haven`t lost anything.

    Just a thought!

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    Ericarox Female 13-17
    128 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 1:58 pm
    RyanF701 most people will find out when its to late
  63. Profile photo of Bigbadwolf
    Bigbadwolf Male 18-29
    335 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 1:58 pm
    Hard... not... to... argue!
    Erica... "Save" is also opinionated. You may think you`re saving people, but others may just feel tortured by such comments. Saving them is leaving them alone to feel what they feel is right...
    --BBW
  64. Profile photo of Liquidglass
    Liquidglass Male 18-29
    1111 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 1:59 pm
    at least people who don`t even believe in God/Heaven/The Bible are commenting on how retarded this guy is.

    Apparently according to him Jesus is God. Which if he had the understanding he claims he would realize they aren`t exactly the same just apart of the whole.

    He probably thinks there was only one tree in the garden of eden too.

  65. Profile photo of HeroOfTime
    HeroOfTime Female 18-29
    26 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 1:59 pm
    iAMzach - yeah I guess you`re right
    But I dated a religous freak for 2 years, he wasn`t Christian, their entire family was just religous... they pushed their beliefs in my face and said I was pure sin because I didnt have a church to call home... and then he left me for it before i could get the chance to run.
    its just people like that who annoy me because they hurt more people than they help by saying its all lies and if you aren`t behind them, reinforcing them, then you are Satin.
    Im not mad or angry.. just tired lol
  66. Profile photo of Ericarox
    Ericarox Female 13-17
    128 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 2:00 pm
    everyone knows about god its not like you can spend your whole life not hearing about him
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    Ace_Cosmo Female 13-17
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    June 21, 2008 at 2:00 pm
    This guy has an annoying voice, and obviously didn`t do his research. -rolls eyes- I think he lacks in the intelligence department of the `normal, intelligent person` business.
  68. Profile photo of i-am-horny
    i-am-horny Male 13-17
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    June 21, 2008 at 2:00 pm
    heh
  69. Profile photo of patthebaker
    patthebaker Male 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 2:00 pm
    People during the middle ages said they were "saving" people who were witches by killing them
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    JBenni Male 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 2:01 pm
    ericarox, you`re ignorant. you can`t just pick and choose what the bible says to suit your beliefs, you either take ALL of it, or NONE of it. People wonder why little kids are being chained up and eaten by their families (earlier post) and they call the religions they belong to, CULTS, but all these CULTS are doing, is taking the bible word for word and as far as being TRUE to their religion, they deserve more respect (in that respect) than you erica who wants to believe in poo that just doesn`t exist. Why does anyone try to justify or defend what the bible says and try to interpret it any other way than what it ACTUALLY says, because they cannot accept that they are believing in something that is pure insanity and is right up there with believing in santa claus and the tooth fairy. thats my 50 cents. i know this won`t change anyones mind, because they have already been sufficiently brainwashed. THINK FOR YOURSELVES.
  71. Profile photo of Bigbadwolf
    Bigbadwolf Male 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 2:01 pm
    lol... On a side not... Adam and Eve... Would taht make Erica meh relative along with all of you? I guess it is morally wrong to date ANYONE then! :P
    --BBW
  72. Profile photo of patthebaker
    patthebaker Male 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 2:02 pm
    what about newborns that suffacate after birth they probably couln,t here og god of even comprehend
  73. Profile photo of RyanF701
    RyanF701 Male 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 2:02 pm
    "aren`t behind them, reinforcing them, then you are Satin."

    Satin is nice, smooth and comfortable, it makes good bedsheets to screw in, Satan is an a*shole though.


    And part of life is having opinions, if you can`t deal with people having opinions, then you either join the Westborough Baptist Church, learn to respect others opinions, or kill yourself.

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    RyanF701 Male 18-29
    2486 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 2:03 pm
    "
    what about newborns that suffacate after birth they probably couln,t here og god of even comprehend"

    Somewhere in the bible it covers that I`m pretty sure, if they`re too young to even begin to comprehend they go to Heaven.

  75. Profile photo of spp
    spp Female 18-29
    299 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 2:03 pm
    Ericarox there are countries in the world where the bible is banned, Christianity isn`t even a considered religion and people don`t know that there was a guy called jesus that did anything that special.

    Not every country is America.

  76. Profile photo of yugothewolf
    yugothewolf Male 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 2:03 pm
    HEY ERICAROX...

    There are still parts of the world that have never even heard of Jesus... Remote parts of Africa, Amazonian tribes in Brazil...
    Thousands of people come in and out of this world daily without ever knowing anything about Jesus.

    STOP ASSUMING AND GENERALIZING...
    It will get you into trouble...

  77. Profile photo of patthebaker
    patthebaker Male 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 2:03 pm
    anyone see the mist is gives perfect egsample of how religon takes over and consumes people because of their fears of death
  78. Profile photo of iAMzach
    iAMzach Male 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 2:04 pm
    oh my bad yea i meant she. and yea i grew up in a family of extremely religious people. I COMPLETELY understand where your coming from. trust me. i was always the black sheep of the family. i know how far people can push it and how anyoing and frustrating it can be.
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    Apple_18 Female 18-29
    475 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 2:04 pm
    jbenni....you actually believed that that kid was being chained and eaten?...come on man! that was from The Sun! O.o
  80. Profile photo of Bigbadwolf
    Bigbadwolf Male 18-29
    335 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 2:04 pm
    Although I am quite uninterested in the bible and Christianity in general, this guy is indeed ignorant... EVERYTHING in the bible is metaphorical (at least most of it). I feel that there is no "heaven" or "hell". Reincarnation exists. We all become spirits in the earth. We become nature and the energy of the earth. Yes, there is a higher power, but not "human-like". The higher power is everything around us, allowing us to become one with the land among us.
    Go ahead Erica and others... Dis and try to "convert" me. I like my theory and therefore am completely satisfied with life with no worries about my afterlife...

    --BBW

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    jeswra Male 18-29
    244 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 2:04 pm
    This guy is a douche.

    Can`t people just let others believe what they want?

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    Ericarox Female 13-17
    128 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 2:05 pm
    Ok fine im sorry i have been really mean just try to to church and hear of the great things gods has done im done trying to change your mind. If someone tryed to change my belief i would get so mad at them and i realize thats what im doing now so im so sorry for every thing i have done :( and i know im ignorant , fat and ugly just like everyone always says but i am so strongly tied to god because he was the only thing i had for a while and he got me thought all the bad things in ,y life . so im sorry for what i have said
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    Bigbadwolf Male 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 2:05 pm
    THANK YOU jeswra! You make me a happy person. ^^

    --BBW

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    patthebaker Male 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 2:05 pm
    jeswra because what people believe leads to murder hate and destruction
  85. Profile photo of krabkat
    krabkat Female 18-29
    1261 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 2:05 pm
    Hmm..same ole, same ole. Another day, another religious argument. Anybody out there know WHO wrote the various versions of the Bible?? I DO know they weren`t written by God or Jesus. They were written by MEN. Hence, extremely fallible and controlling. But, if that`s what you want in your life, go for it. If not, then don`t. Just PLEASE people, quit believing that you can change anyone else`s mind about religion - never gonna happen!
  86. Profile photo of seanromm2151
    seanromm2151 Male 13-17
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    June 21, 2008 at 2:05 pm
    page 3 .......
  87. Profile photo of RyanF701
    RyanF701 Male 18-29
    2486 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 2:06 pm
    "
    anyone see the mist is gives perfect egsample of how religon takes over and consumes people because of their fears of death"

    This is the first and last time an Frank Darabont movie will be used as a religious analogy.

  88. Profile photo of seanromm2151
    seanromm2151 Male 13-17
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    June 21, 2008 at 2:06 pm
    i mean page 4......
  89. Profile photo of efaw1111
    efaw1111 Male 13-17
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    June 21, 2008 at 2:06 pm
    wow..this guys good..NOT! sell everything, Jesus means to get rid of anything that could cause temptation to you and lead you away from him.loving everyone and hating everyone?? you gotta be willing to deny people and accept God man, not hate them like however u mean.eat his flesh drink his blood, It`s called communion, Flesh=BRead,blood=juice/wine.Being born again is throwing away the old sinful man, and becoming new, you just read to everyone here that you cannot go back into the womb..but your still saying we have to, HELLLLOOO! you;ll be sorry one day Sir, saying Jesus does not know what he`s talking about, when in reality YOU DON`T know what YOU`RE talking about, you should realize that, "if you`re an intelligant adult" sir.
  90. Profile photo of HeroOfTime
    HeroOfTime Female 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 2:07 pm
    Sorry... I can`t spell and im dyslexic... Satan* My bad. I don` care if people have opinions.. im against people like Fred phelps and other religous fanatics who try to force everything on you and hurt the world. I respect and i keep an open mind but that doesn`t mean i think its right.. im not going to force my ideas down their throat but im going to tell you its right for others to do the same
  91. Profile photo of RyanF701
    RyanF701 Male 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 2:07 pm
    "
    jeswra because what people believe leads to murder hate and destruction"

    So, what your sayin` is that we shouldn`t believe anything, and sit here staring at a wall with a glazed over look on our face.

    Gotcha.

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    spongamabob Female 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 2:07 pm
    reeetaaarrdeed....
  93. Profile photo of yugothewolf
    yugothewolf Male 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 2:08 pm
    I`m really trying to help ya here Ericarox...
    But dis`ing yourself and then telling others to believe in something is probably not the best way to do something...
  94. Profile photo of Ericarox
    Ericarox Female 13-17
    128 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 2:08 pm
    so im sorry believe what you want to
  95. Profile photo of seanromm2151
    seanromm2151 Male 13-17
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    June 21, 2008 at 2:08 pm
    let the my god is better than your god and if u dont worship it i will kill you debate...
    :-(
  96. Profile photo of iAMzach
    iAMzach Male 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 2:08 pm
    ok religion in its self is a GOOD idea...like communism its PEOPLE that fck it up.
  97. Profile photo of RyanF701
    RyanF701 Male 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 2:08 pm
    and regardless of what ANYONE believes there will always be murder, hate, and destruction.
  98. Profile photo of Bigbadwolf
    Bigbadwolf Male 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 2:08 pm
    Eww... efaw1111 is he new Erica... RUN AWAAAAAY!

    Lol.... I`m just messin around.
    But still, saying that "He`ll be sorry" makes me laugh. If God forgives all sins and loves all, why does it matter what you believe in if that religion is true? Just a thought...

    --BBW

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    HeroOfTime Female 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 2:09 pm
    Im going to tlel you its not right for others**
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    burnin_roses Female 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 2:09 pm
    i think the guy needs to get his facts straight before he goes and tries to get people to stop believeing
  101. Profile photo of JBenni
    JBenni Male 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 2:10 pm
    i believe the bible is a book of parables, but people take it seriously and then try to change it. don`t take it seriously. i think its meant to better the lives of people end of story, leave it at that. i think just be a good person and don`t let religion come into play.
  102. Profile photo of RyanF701
    RyanF701 Male 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 2:10 pm
    "Lol.... I`m just messin around.
    But still, saying that "He`ll be sorry" makes me laugh. If God forgives all sins and loves all, why does it matter what you believe in if that religion is true? Just a thought..."

    It`s kind of like having a kid I guess, you love them, but if they f*ck up you have to beat their ass.

  103. Profile photo of yugothewolf
    yugothewolf Male 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 2:10 pm
    <3 ya Ericarox... Goodluck.
  104. Profile photo of patthebaker
    patthebaker Male 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 2:11 pm
    now you taking my words out of context good job. i meet idiots everyday who use their beliefs to hate and impose on others rights they want rights to believe long as only they have it.
  105. Profile photo of iAMzach
    iAMzach Male 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 2:11 pm
    ok obviously from her posts ericarox is prolly closer to the 13 in that 13-17 age group. u guys are picking on a kid that`s trying to do something right in her own eyes.

    and if im wrong about ur age u should prolly just play along cause im trying to buy u some dignity

  106. Profile photo of togetec
    togetec Male 13-17
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    June 21, 2008 at 2:11 pm
    don`t feed the troll
  107. Profile photo of Miss_Candie
    Miss_Candie Female 13-17
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    June 21, 2008 at 2:12 pm
    I dislike the idea of religions in general and I still thought this video was stupid.
  108. Profile photo of HeroOfTime
    HeroOfTime Female 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 2:12 pm
    I dunno why but after reading all of these super duper serious people yelling about God I just wanna run and giggle and shoot off party fireworks in my undies..
    Not really.... but that`d be funny wouldn`t it?

    Why can`t we just realize what we believe is good enough and no one is gonna change your mind unless they decide to on their own.

  109. Profile photo of mandapanda28
    mandapanda28 Female 13-17
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    June 21, 2008 at 2:12 pm
    i`m an atheist...but that felt a little like brainwashing to me..
  110. Profile photo of shilo986
    shilo986 Female 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 2:12 pm
    this guy is such a dick. i agree with iAMzach. + twisting everything that the bible says doesn`t make you all high and mighty- it makes you a liar.
  111. Profile photo of Ericarox
    Ericarox Female 13-17
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    June 21, 2008 at 2:12 pm
    im sorry just believe what you want to
  112. Profile photo of opiebreath
    opiebreath Female 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 2:13 pm
    Erica, you`re not a bad person. Hell, if I thought I had the best idea ever, I`d want to tell other people.

    The thing is, with something that we as humans know very little about (the existence of a god, what happens when you die, rights and wrong, etc), you have to consider that everyone else will have their own opinion and will believe it as much as you do. What got you through a bad time in your life can help others, but there`s a line that shouldn`t be crossed which divides suggestion and close-mindedness.

  113. Profile photo of Ericarox
    Ericarox Female 13-17
    128 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 2:14 pm
    im 14
  114. Profile photo of Ericarox
    Ericarox Female 13-17
    128 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 2:14 pm
    so what i live in texas is that a problem
  115. Profile photo of patthebaker
    patthebaker Male 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 2:15 pm
    yes erica you are not bad just a little confused
  116. Profile photo of JBenni
    JBenni Male 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 2:15 pm
    well no wonder you`re so on god`s nuts
  117. Profile photo of yugothewolf
    yugothewolf Male 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 2:15 pm
    iAMzach.
    Maybe I haven`t caught all the post, but I don`t think anyone was really trying to "attack" ericarox.
    I think it comes off more harsh in text. I personally just wanted her to know that she needs to be careful with what she says as it can many times land you in a more vulnerable and dangerous spot than you began. I`m a fan of people sticking up for what they believe in, but ANY AGE deserves to be warned as to what other might do if they pursue it.
  118. Profile photo of RyanF701
    RyanF701 Male 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 2:16 pm

    Erica, you`re not a bad person. Hell, if I thought I had the best idea ever, I`d want to tell other people.

    The thing is, with something that we as humans know very little about (the existence of a god, what happens when you die, rights and wrong, etc), you have to consider that everyone else will have their own opinion and will believe it as much as you do. What got you through a bad time in your life can help others, but there`s a line that shouldn`t be crossed which divides suggestion and close-mindedness.
    "

    Where`s your left hand at?

  119. Profile photo of Ericarox
    Ericarox Female 13-17
    128 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 2:16 pm
    patthebaker how am i confused believing what i think is true
  120. Profile photo of iAMzach
    iAMzach Male 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 2:16 pm
    dude haha^ messed up
  121. Profile photo of iAMzach
    iAMzach Male 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 2:17 pm
    ryan not erica
  122. Profile photo of JBenni
    JBenni Male 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 2:17 pm
    new subject
    apple 18 is extremely attractive
  123. Profile photo of yugothewolf
    yugothewolf Male 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 2:17 pm
    Also, I think life experience plays a lot into what you can and can`t understand in the Bible...
    Again <3 Ericarox
  124. Profile photo of RyanF701
    RyanF701 Male 18-29
    2486 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 2:17 pm
    "
    patthebaker how am i confused believing what i think is true"

    Don`t listen to him.. He`s trying to prove a point but it`s coming out as babbling.

  125. Profile photo of Ericarox
    Ericarox Female 13-17
    128 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 2:17 pm
    my left hand?
  126. Profile photo of Ericarox
    Ericarox Female 13-17
    128 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 2:19 pm
    thanks RyanF701 :)
  127. Profile photo of JBenni
    JBenni Male 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 2:19 pm
    they started it!
    :P
  128. Profile photo of Aidieal
    Aidieal Female 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 2:20 pm
    interesting, to say the least
    I am in no way religious (although I was baptized and made communion, which was my aunts idea). However, even I can tell that most of that was probably taken out of context. And werent all of the books mentioned written at different times? No one is going to know exactly what Jesus said or intended others to do, because lets face it, writing stuff done is a relatively new concept for humans, so even if stuff was written down, translating these things probably messed up quite a bit of info. Also, Jesus (as far as I know) didnt write ever single different version of the bible. You know who did? Some guys, probably religious so and sos, who may or may not have made a few changes. So, know one is ever going to know unless someone builds a f-ing time machine, and goes back. Hell, for all we know, Jesus could have had people believing that God was actually a lizard trapped in a bunny suit on Mars!!
  129. Profile photo of HeroOfTime
    HeroOfTime Female 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 2:20 pm
    lol Everyone should stop arguing right now and go take a nap!
  130. Profile photo of johnson_jman
    johnson_jman Male 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 2:20 pm
    I love how you twist everything out of porportion and take it out of context. The very first thing about selling everything is simply showing that it takes commitment to follow christ.
  131. Profile photo of spammerboy
    spammerboy Male 13-17
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    June 21, 2008 at 2:20 pm
    I do not believe in god but i dont think its right to challenge peoples beliefs. Let everyonebelieve what they want.
  132. Profile photo of Ericarox
    Ericarox Female 13-17
    128 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 2:20 pm
    i cant sleep in my house stupid dogs ! :(
  133. Profile photo of patthebaker
    patthebaker Male 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 2:21 pm
    I meant confused at certainty i myself am not even certain we in our lifetime can not be certain of eveerything and we just have to live with it
  134. Profile photo of yugothewolf
    yugothewolf Male 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 2:21 pm
    I`ll second that HeroOfTime...
    PEACE!
  135. Profile photo of iAMzach
    iAMzach Male 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 2:21 pm
    woah woah woah...did anyone else catch that? there was a post here a second ago bashing IAB for atheist propaganda...and its gone now...omg..big brother is watching...
  136. Profile photo of Ericarox
    Ericarox Female 13-17
    128 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 2:22 pm
    ya isaw that and thanks yugothewolf and HeroOfTime great way to make me feel like crap
  137. Profile photo of jolindie
    jolindie Female 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 2:22 pm
    there`s a reason that this dude sat by himself recording his ugly voice saying sh*t that any normal, intelligent person would automatically correct and force him to prove in a normal, intelligent way. i`m guessing he has no life other than building up a stupid reputation online. and leveling up his wow characters.
  138. Profile photo of REBELComx
    REBELComx Male 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 2:23 pm
    I`ve said it before, I`ll say it again -
    Modern Man`s greatest folly is to cling to the idea that he was created by gods and to forget that it was actually the other way around.

    Zues, Osiris, Odin, Jehova, Vishnu...These are all creations of the human mind trying to deal with what it didn`t understand - how the universe works. Cave paintings and ancient shamans evolve into bibles and priests. The only reason we don`t submit the Hebrew myths to the same scrutiny we do the Greek, Roman, Egyptian, Norse, Syrian, Hindu, Native American, Celtic, Cthulhu myths is because Christianity has basically been "in charge" of Western society for the past 1700 years.

  139. Profile photo of iAMzach
    iAMzach Male 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 2:24 pm
    jolindie...haha...right on the money
  140. Profile photo of Ericarox
    Ericarox Female 13-17
    128 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 2:24 pm
    i wish everyone believed the same thing :(
  141. Profile photo of Ericarox
    Ericarox Female 13-17
    128 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 2:25 pm
    i would make life easier
  142. Profile photo of Ericarox
    Ericarox Female 13-17
    128 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 2:25 pm
    a whole lot easier...
  143. Profile photo of Ericarox
    Ericarox Female 13-17
    128 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 2:25 pm
    lalalala
  144. Profile photo of Tonyjet
    Tonyjet Male 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 2:26 pm
    i just hope that when i die....

    God spares me and kills my soul

  145. Profile photo of Ericarox
    Ericarox Female 13-17
    128 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 2:26 pm
    ok im going to leave because you all want me 2 great way to hurt a 14 years olds feeling
  146. Profile photo of LemonTarte
    LemonTarte Female 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 2:27 pm
    "jeswra because what people believe leads to murder hate and destruction""

    And sometimes what people believe leads them to not take their child to a doctor when their sick, and instead place them in "gods hands". Which in turn leads to death.

  147. Profile photo of patthebaker
    patthebaker Male 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 2:27 pm
    I never really did understand what is a soul
  148. Profile photo of bonsushi
    bonsushi Male 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 2:27 pm
    Why does this idiot keep making videos telling me to respond as an intelligent adult.


    If you notice:

    He speaks slowly and clearly and emphasizes random words in order to be more bombastic.

    In other words, he`s trying to make himself sound smart to cover up the fact that he has nothing to back himself up, or the fact that he doesn`t even know the relevance to the questions.


    Owned by a 17 year old.

  149. Profile photo of Tonyjet
    Tonyjet Male 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 2:28 pm
    u just cared a lil too much ericarox....


    save urself... leave the others thah dont wanna be saved behind...

    if u believe in ur religion... u will respect that

  150. Profile photo of Ericarox
    Ericarox Female 13-17
    128 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 2:28 pm
    nice picture^^
  151. Profile photo of LemonTarte
    LemonTarte Female 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 2:28 pm
    Erica thats life get used to it.
  152. Profile photo of Ericarox
    Ericarox Female 13-17
    128 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 2:29 pm
    i meant bonsushi
  153. Profile photo of Ericarox
    Ericarox Female 13-17
    128 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 2:29 pm
    : ( now im depressed im going to go lie in be and think
  154. Profile photo of Tonyjet
    Tonyjet Male 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 2:30 pm
    ": ( now im depressed im going to go lie in be and think "

    why dont u ask him to save u .... again

  155. Profile photo of Ericarox
    Ericarox Female 13-17
    128 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 2:30 pm
    sure i just kinda gave up ...
  156. Profile photo of Ericarox
    Ericarox Female 13-17
    128 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 2:31 pm
    bye
  157. Profile photo of Tonyjet
    Tonyjet Male 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 2:32 pm
    i love God....

    i just drating hate religion...

    am sure thats not what he had on mind

  158. Profile photo of Ericarox
    Ericarox Female 13-17
    128 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 2:32 pm
    im going to a thing with my church for a week staring tomorrow and we are going to help the poor and paint houses and build wheel chair ramps but i dont think im going to go any more becuase now im depressed
  159. Profile photo of Ericarox
    Ericarox Female 13-17
    128 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 2:32 pm
    bye
  160. Profile photo of patthebaker
    patthebaker Male 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 2:32 pm
    this is too depressing wathch this http://www.metacafe.com/watch/59665/funn...
  161. Profile photo of iAMzach
    iAMzach Male 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 2:33 pm
    watch out Legacy15 u might get ur post deleted.
  162. Profile photo of patthebaker
    patthebaker Male 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 2:33 pm
    and he did
  163. Profile photo of jolindie
    jolindie Female 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 2:34 pm
    to tell the truth the only thing i see you doing,ericarox, is following your religion, which you`ve obviously found reason to believe in. i have too, and though i don`t really live every day to convert the entire human race, i do stand up for it when people try to bash and dismiss it. you`re not in any way conducting yourself in the arrogant, demeaning way that this amputee-somethingorother guy is, so there`s really no reason for anyone to complain about what you`re saying. the thing is, people are inherently stupid. i treat everyone like an idiot until they`ve proven me wrong, and you`d do well to do the same. especially when you`re dealing with people who can hide behind any identity they want, and therefore say things they wouldn`t outright say to anyone they`d meet in real life.
  164. Profile photo of Ericarox
    Ericarox Female 13-17
    128 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 2:34 pm
    thanks patthebaker i didnt laugh though
  165. Profile photo of Ericarox
    Ericarox Female 13-17
    128 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 2:35 pm
    jolindie that makes since thanks
  166. Profile photo of Tonyjet
    Tonyjet Male 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 2:36 pm
    "to tell the truth the only thing i see you doing,ericarox, is following your religion, which you`ve obviously found reason to believe in. i have too, and though i don`t really live every day to convert the entire human race, i do stand up for it when people try to bash and dismiss it. you`re not in any way conducting yourself in the arrogant, demeaning way that this amputee-somethingorother guy is, so there`s really no reason for anyone to complain about what you`re saying. the thing is, people are inherently stupid. i treat everyone like an idiot until they`ve proven me wrong, and you`d do well to do the same. especially when you`re dealing with people who can hide behind any identity they want, and therefore say things they wouldn`t outright say to anyone they`d meet in real life."

    well thats thinking out of the box...


    godd for you am glad u can alienate every human being ever

  167. Profile photo of nathanzo
    nathanzo Male 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 2:37 pm
    I am Christian and I`m all for people being allowed to express their views, but when passages are so blatantly taken out of context you lose any respect any credibility in my book.
    People often say that `religious types` are guilty for shoving their message down peoples throats; while this may be true on too many ocassions I think this guy is worse for preching blatant lies to people.
  168. Profile photo of Tonyjet
    Tonyjet Male 18-29
    3298 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 2:39 pm
    "I am Christian and I`m all for people being allowed to express their views, but when passages are so blatantly taken out of context you lose any respect any credibility in my book.
    People often say that `religious types` are guilty for shoving their message down peoples throats; while this may be true on too many ocassions I think this guy is worse for preching blatant lies to people."

    i agree.. its hypocritical from this guy...

    and i kinda hate the dude right now

  169. Profile photo of iwcu
    iwcu Male 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 2:43 pm
    Why can`t we all just get along?
  170. Profile photo of jolindie
    jolindie Female 18-29
    100 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 2:44 pm
    "well thats thinking out of the box...


    godd for you am glad u can alienate every human being ever"

    oh well, i`m not interested in making friends, never have been. i do know it pisses me off tho when people dismiss someone`s comments when there is ample opportunity for an intelligent conversation from which everyone involved can come away a little more enlightened.

  171. Profile photo of Tonyjet
    Tonyjet Male 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 2:44 pm
    cuz were humans iwcu

    cuz were humans

  172. Profile photo of iAMzach
    iAMzach Male 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 2:44 pm
    well said legacy well said
  173. Profile photo of iAMzach
    iAMzach Male 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 2:45 pm
    hey at least we arnt as bad as the ebaumsworld forums...disgraceful
  174. Profile photo of Tonyjet
    Tonyjet Male 18-29
    3298 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 2:46 pm
    yeah that makes sense joli

    totally

    u dont wanna make friends... which is totally fine, but wanna talk

    oh ok i get u now

    thanks for clarifying

  175. Profile photo of Miss_Candie
    Miss_Candie Female 13-17
    260 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 2:46 pm
    "so what i live in texas is that a problem"
    That didn`t surprise me at all haha :P

    Erica : I think you should stop trying to get people to pitty you. I`m only one year older than you and I don`t start whining when people disagree with me. So please stop trying to make everyone feel bad for you because honestly no one here cares that you`re depressed.

  176. Profile photo of hooray4hazel
    hooray4hazel Female 13-17
    254 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 2:47 pm
    Have you noticed how the uber-christians type like
    THIS OMG BILIEV IN GOD HELL SAVE U PLZ
    and the atheists/agnostics type like
    This. Hello, would you like a cup of tea? Indeed, indeed.


    lolololol. When did religion become code for stupidity? T_T

    Hell, I don`t mind Christians just as long as they don`t shove their Christianity up other people`s asses. -coughlikeidowithvegetarianismcough-

    -reads Ericarox`s post- WAIT NO. changed my mind. God`s real. -preaches-

  177. Profile photo of tannerb924
    tannerb924 Male 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 2:48 pm
    amen to that brother. oh i mean...your right person i hate
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    YoSoyNoob Male 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 2:49 pm
    After watching that he didn`t make a single good point. People who believe he made good points are taking what he said as fact and never actually reading the bible. He`s ignorant. We all know that we should love our parents and family and neighbors. When Jesus to the man to sell everything that man was obsessed with his belongings and chose to keep his belongings and not follow Jesus, He wasnt talking to you or me there he was just talking to the rich man. When Jesus said to hate his mother and father his sister and brother he is right. They are sinful and we are not supposed to like sinful things. However, we should love them and try to make them better. Just like a murderer. I would hate him but I would love him because he is human and I would want to help him become a better person. I want to know what translation he was using when he said we should eat Jesus` body and drink his blood, its a metaphor.
  179. Profile photo of YoSoyNoob
    YoSoyNoob Male 18-29
    57 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 2:49 pm
    Jesus gave his body as a sacrifice, so everyone could have eternal life. He would have done it for one person if need had been. The price to cleanse you of your sins was the blood of Jesus. You go to the store to buy a candy bar, you need to give the cashier a dollar. To cleanse humanity of their sins was the blood of Jesus. We should remember this. Thats why we eat bread to remember that his body was on the cross and why we drink grape juice to remind us the cost of our sins. When Jesus then says that we need to be as children he means mentally, if you try to teach a child something new they will listen intently and will remember, thats what we need to do with the bible. To be born again is accepting that Jesus died for your sins. You don`t literally have to be born again just spiritually. Finally the Pharisees we followers of the law but they followed them for the wrong reasons. So we need to follow the laws set in the bible for the right reasons
  180. Profile photo of Flee001
    Flee001 Male 13-17
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    June 21, 2008 at 2:51 pm
    RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE GOD RABBLE SATAN RABBLE EAT FLESH RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE PUPPIEs
  181. Profile photo of Pooptart19
    Pooptart19 Male 18-29
    2441 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 2:53 pm
    This video doesn`t change my beliefs. I`m still going to Valhalla when I die. Gonna party with Odin and Thor. : D
  182. Profile photo of Keiyo
    Keiyo Male 18-29
    2 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 2:53 pm
    Flee001 your words made me cry *clap clap* you are a messenger from heaven
  183. Profile photo of REBELComx
    REBELComx Male 18-29
    477 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 2:55 pm
    Now Pooptart, you know very well you`ll only get into Valhalla if you die in battle. Otherwise you go to Hel (no that`s not a misprint).
  184. Profile photo of Rambaldi
    Rambaldi Male 13-17
    19 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 2:55 pm
    How many times does Erica have to say goodbye? O.o

    Anyway the guy who makes these videos is monotonous, boring, and arrogant. That`s not saying I`m Christian or support the bible, I`m an atheist.

    However videos like these are just troll bait... wanting not to "liberate" those who worship from their "chains" of damnation, but just to make both sides more angry and.... stupid.

    If this guy is going to pick apart the Bible he might as well do the same thing to every other major religion. If you`re going to say God doesn`t exist you might as well say God from ANY religion doesn`t exist. Disproving the Christian God is not good enough... not by a long shot, because there are still billions of others who don`t give a damn about the Christian God and who believe in something not applicable to your biased argument.

  185. Profile photo of Rambaldi
    Rambaldi Male 13-17
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    June 21, 2008 at 2:59 pm
    And Valhalla doesn`t sound very fun. T_T

    Sure you`re immortal and your wounds mean nothing much and you get a big feast every day.... but I mean come on, would war get boring after awhile?

  186. Profile photo of Mitchster
    Mitchster Male 18-29
    544 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 2:59 pm
    WAIT A MINUTE!!!

    Santa Claus isn`t real?

  187. Profile photo of jolindie
    jolindie Female 18-29
    100 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 3:01 pm
    "u dont wanna make friends... which is totally fine, but wanna talk"

    i never said i did. i was referring to the whole bandwagon against ericarox. i wouldn`t bother making a post to actually argue a point on here, i`d have to spell out every little, thing. there`s a word limit you know

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    Jinebiebe Female 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 3:01 pm
    I`m so glad I`m agnostic.
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    Pooptart19 Male 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 3:02 pm
    *Grabs plastic sword and shield*

    CHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGE!!!!!

  190. Profile photo of Jibjabman
    Jibjabman Male 13-17
    10 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 3:03 pm
    I personally am an atheist,and the movie does point out some contradictions, however, some things like the "eat my flesh and blood" part are taken out of context, because this probably refers to communion.
  191. Profile photo of day456
    day456 Male 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 3:03 pm
    this is retarded
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    TieDyePlatap Male 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 3:06 pm
    It really bugs me how he refers to people as intelligent adults therefore making those who don`t agree with him stupid children. Why can`t we just love each other and respect each others opinions and beliefs.
  193. Profile photo of Tonyjet
    Tonyjet Male 18-29
    3298 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 3:08 pm
    yeah its 1000...

    u have enuff ammo... lets hear

    am tired of people saying alot without actually saying nothing

  194. Profile photo of day456
    day456 Male 18-29
    75 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 3:08 pm
    teh last thing is an opinion
  195. Profile photo of Tonyjet
    Tonyjet Male 18-29
    3298 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 3:08 pm
    nvm this is retarded....

    i agree with day 456

    screw it

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    Lollage_town Female 18-29
    50 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 3:09 pm
    Sell everything was what he said to one man, not the whole world. It is representative of dis-attatchment to material goods.

    The hate business is saying love for God is greater than love for anything else, by a lot. Nobody in their right mind would take it literally.

    This list goes on. Each thing is representative. You guys, I`m an atheist and am able to see this video is a bunch of misinterprated crap.

  197. Profile photo of titania
    titania Female 18-29
    119 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 3:10 pm
    Ericarox wrote:

    Instructions
    Difficulty: Easy
    Things You’ll Need:
    * An open heart
    * An open mind
    * A strong desire for a "better" life..........

    i dont like to get into religous debates, i try to stay clear, but you just got my back up a little. im not religous in the slightest, i dont believe theres a higher being of any sort (i dont like the way many religions have the view that all mistakes are made by man and all things good are "gods" doing). but im open minded, i dont discount other peoples beliefs, i just dont personally agree with them. i have a open heart, i like to think i live life the right way. and i have a strong desire for a better life, for my family.

    my point?
    if there is a "god" of some sort, would it really matter to him if i believed in him? surely he`d see i live a good honest loving live and i`d go to "heaven". if there is a god, all knowing, all loving. what does he need with recognision? is he

  198. Profile photo of hiddenid958
    hiddenid958 Male 30-39
    34 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 3:10 pm
    PLEASE. I BEG YOU. NO MORE RELIGIOUS POST PLEASE!!!
  199. Profile photo of primetimekin
    primetimekin Male 18-29
    7935 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 3:11 pm
    Let me see:
    Step 1: yes
    Step 2: According to NAB its "Sell all that you have and distribute it to the poor". It was made more demanding by Luke who added the word "all". The message is detach yourself from worldy possession in order reach the treasures in heaven. He isn`t asking to give everything you have but rather not place great importance of it. And remember, "all" is used loosely in the Bible. I believe for the Greeks, All meant most.
  200. Profile photo of jolindie
    jolindie Female 18-29
    100 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 3:11 pm
    and i`m tired of bad grammar. your double negatives alone would provide an opportunity for me to twist your words around and argue against a point that you never tried to make. and i won`t because it gets annoying when people do it to me, and that is exactly why i`m not gonna bother.
  201. Profile photo of titania
    titania Female 18-29
    119 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 3:12 pm
    *continued*
    is he a fairy? does he die if people dont believe in him?
  202. Profile photo of Bananahammoc
    Bananahammoc Female 18-29
    309 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 3:13 pm
    I hate people who try to preach about religion, whether it`s supporting it or against it.
  203. Profile photo of LtFurpie
    LtFurpie Male 30-39
    1013 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 3:14 pm
    someone plz report ericarox for ignorance. I`m all for free speech, but indifference to reality is a huge problem for humanity these days! To read the bible and not realize that god is a megolomaniacal sadistic murderer shows that one is ignorant.
  204. Profile photo of primetimekin
    primetimekin Male 18-29
    7935 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 3:15 pm
    Step 3: Follow me. It can be interpreted differently, it could be that he asked him to be a disciple or that we must all follow him, not necessarily a disciple. Now to the quote. What he is saying is that you must have complete dedication towards him. He isnt saying to actually hate anyone but rather it is used to show the difficulty of becoming a disciple. Its like saying "You must hate yourself if you put yourself through military training".
    Step 4: Okay... Fact? Whats he expecting? Way to take something meant as a sacrifice out of love to a satanic ritual.
  205. Profile photo of soleado10er
    soleado10er Male 18-29
    42 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 3:16 pm
    I wasn`t convinced, but I was too unimpressed to visit his other sites and research the obvious matter-of-fact argument further.
  206. Profile photo of alaric666
    alaric666 Male 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 3:17 pm
    As an atheist i believe that pompous a holes like this do way more harm than good.Asserting that atheist are inherently more intelligent than believers is ignorant and counter productive.
  207. Profile photo of SoCal
    SoCal Male 18-29
    650 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 3:17 pm
    Santa`s sleigh is real!!!!!! dont say that.
  208. Profile photo of HuskysTiger
    HuskysTiger Male 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 3:18 pm
    The narrator said "short video" and I saw 8 minutes... I stopped.
  209. Profile photo of ninjaguydan
    ninjaguydan Male 18-29
    4 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 3:23 pm
    Oh, so we`re just supposed to assume that Jack`s beanstalk Santa`s sleigh are fake? I refuse to accept that without eight more minutes of proof, each.
  210. Profile photo of swtdreams285
    swtdreams285 Female 18-29
    1408 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 3:25 pm
    And yet, the religion flame wars continue on IAB. We`ll never reach peace. ^_^!
  211. Profile photo of CaptainPat
    CaptainPat Male 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 3:26 pm
    well if if i wasnt allowed to bring my ipod into heaven then its not really heaven because heaven is suppose to be perfect and it cant be perfect if i dont have my ipod with me.
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    woozlez Male 13-17
    74 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 3:26 pm
    i believe everything up to 8:06.
  213. Profile photo of titania
    titania Female 18-29
    119 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 3:26 pm
    what, santas sleigh is fake?

    but santas real though, right? :-o

  214. Profile photo of primetimekin
    primetimekin Male 18-29
    7935 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 3:28 pm
    Step 5: I have it as "He called a child over, placed it in their midst and said, `Amen I said to you, unless you turn and become LIKE children, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven. Whoever humbles himself like this child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven."
    Step6: Nicodemus didn`t know that wind came when a cold air mass was swept below a warm air mass. He was talking to him
  215. Profile photo of davymid
    davymid Male 30-39
    12140 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 3:28 pm
    OK, so I`m probably one of the more "militant" atheists here on IAB (I`m from Northern Ireland, so good luck trying to convince me that religion is a good thing).

    And even I have to say- this video is lame, badly argued and boy is buddy`s voice ANNOYING.

  216. Profile photo of DVLDRVR666
    DVLDRVR666 Male 13-17
    612 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 3:29 pm
    umm....for you believers..tell me...where is heaven?
  217. Profile photo of CaptainPat
    CaptainPat Male 18-29
    1584 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 3:30 pm
    yes titana, santas real, but his sleigh is not, santa has a blackhawk helicopter thats invisible, silent, and runs on magic. but it only gets 23 miles per gallon of magic, so it has huge tanks for magic on it.
    also it travels at the speed of light
  218. Profile photo of primetimekin
    primetimekin Male 18-29
    7935 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 3:31 pm
    Step 7: OKay NAB has a long explanation that is hard for me to summarize so look it up there. It explains it (I have the Bible they should have a web site)

    Step 8:I gave you everything before, put the pieces together.

  219. Profile photo of myrikal
    myrikal Male 30-39
    67 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 3:31 pm
    This guy is a moron.
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    ohthedrama Male 30-39
    162 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 3:31 pm
    Doubtless anyone here will read this. This man like his website are taking things from the Bible and applying their OWN INTERPRETATION. The Bible is a pure source of knowledge about God but applying it to everyday life as we know it is where it will fail. The Bible is not about selling your iPod, it is about heaven and God. The desert Father such as St. Antony, Augustus, Aquinas, Ephraim, etc, give excellent explanations and accounts of specific Biblical passages. The Hate your father and mother is not a literal meaning. It is NEVER a good idea to take things out of context. Remember back then family was VERY important. The father figure ruled the house. But here comes Jesus. If you follow Christ, you will most certainly be turning your back on your father and sort of thing back then was considered spiteful, hateful. Again, we need to understand the culture, before we start to take things out of context. BAD BAD move!
  221. Profile photo of CmdrBittles
    CmdrBittles Female 18-29
    1172 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 3:31 pm
    I`m not religious but this video sucked. I don`t think the bible was meant to be translaed so literally.
  222. Profile photo of primetimekin
    primetimekin Male 18-29
    7935 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 3:32 pm
    "OK, so I`m probably one of the more "militant" atheists here on IAB (I`m from Northern Ireland, so good luck trying to convince me that religion is a good thing)."


    Northern Ireland. That explains so much

  223. Profile photo of mtwoofwoof
    mtwoofwoof Female 18-29
    41 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 3:33 pm
    Mmkay, here`s what I have to say about all of this.

    First of all, this movie made me lol. I`m def not a religious person at ALL, but even I could tell that the intent behind the words of the people who wrote the bible was not used properly. So, score one for the religious fanatics.
    Second, I think that people who believe in their religion should believe as they wish, but don`t freak out over a video about it. Atheists and Agnostics have the freedom of choosing their religion (or lack of one) just as much as the Catholics and Christians do.... freedom of religion and all that jazz.

    Lastly, Ericarox.... You are a spammer and an attention-seeking noob. I respect your need to state your religious beliefs, but comments such as "ongz i`m so depressed now" and "i`m ugly and awful waaah" are really uncalled for, and just show how childish you are. I know you stated that you were 14, but please try to act your age; your posts were immature.

  224. Profile photo of Tiredofnicks
    Tiredofnicks Male 30-39
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    June 21, 2008 at 3:33 pm
    Not gonna comment on the comments on this one, even if I do itch.

    He`s reaching in this one. The "does not hate" part must have been misinterpreted deliberately, but it only serves to undermine his credibility.

  225. Profile photo of Ridgers
    Ridgers Male 13-17
    10 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 3:36 pm
    ericarox, your idea is well i`ll just believe it and it`ll be true.

    well i believe that if i eat enough cheese i`ll turn into a caravan, because thats what my brother told me and he wrote it in a book, and i just accept what he says and believe it whole heartedly, i just need to find the right amount of cheese.....

  226. Profile photo of titania
    titania Female 18-29
    119 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 3:37 pm
    *gives Ridgers some cheese*
  227. Profile photo of titania
    titania Female 18-29
    119 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 3:37 pm
    now you are blessed my son
  228. Profile photo of davymid
    davymid Male 30-39
    12140 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 3:38 pm
    ^^^ Primetimeking "Northern Ireland. That explains so much"

    What`s your point, caller?

  229. Profile photo of primetimekin
    primetimekin Male 18-29
    7935 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 3:39 pm
    I can see why its easy to hate religion if your from there
  230. Profile photo of hilbillyjo
    hilbillyjo Male 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 3:42 pm
    This is in response to what Ericarox was saying earlier...

    So, everyone can get into heaven, right? Then tell me, why do devote Christians (Some who think their religion is the only sensible one) think that if you don`t believe in their religion EXACTLY THE RIGHT WAY you`re going to hell? Please, explain that for me.

  231. Profile photo of jolindie
    jolindie Female 18-29
    100 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 3:47 pm
    "everyone can get into heaven, right?"

    there`s potential, there`s also free will.

  232. Profile photo of yellowsquare
    yellowsquare Female 18-29
    1545 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 3:51 pm
    Wow, primetimekin. Usually I can tolerate your comments, but you are being a royal ignorant jerk right now. Way to make an ass of yourself.

    1) As many have said before, this man has made many atheist YouTube movies before and they ALL deliberately take Bible verses and manipulate them. This man is completely ridiculous...I can hardly take him seriously. And I WANT to take him seriously. Plus his voice annoys me severely.

    2) I can`t believe people still get angry about this stuff. We`ve seen religious debates on IAB for months now, it`s nothing new. Everyone knows everyone else`s position and everyone is SET in their ways. No one is going to change anyone else`s viewpoints.

    It`s about time IAB gets over its anti-religion fetish and grows up a little bit. It`s terribly childish, inflammatory, and crudely provocative.

  233. Profile photo of ConverseUK
    ConverseUK Male 18-29
    1270 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 3:51 pm
    Religion is a mental disorder.

    God is an imaginary friend.

    The rules of religion once provided useful steps to a healthy life, but has since become outdated.

    Heaven once provided a goal for people to live in harmony, but now lacks in comparison to other goals we have as free-thinking humans.

  234. Profile photo of JRB
    JRB Male 13-17
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    June 21, 2008 at 4:06 pm
    Ignorance on both parts.
  235. Profile photo of Bilyar
    Bilyar Female 18-29
    17 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 4:09 pm
    "Ericarox

    Practice what you preach and get an open mind. Go educate yourself and you might acctually see what a huge lie organised religion is..the bible being one of the major lies!"

    Way to go, The_Maddog. I just wish she would stop throwing her religion in our faces. IAB is not the place to preach considering the contents of the site. Btw, Ericarox, go tell a Muslim that Jesus died for his/her sins and how they react to that. All religion blinded people should really take a very good look around them and realize we don`t live in the Dark Ages anymore.

  236. Profile photo of Ohnjaynb
    Ohnjaynb Male 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 4:10 pm
    I think GOD is allowed a metaphor or hyperbole every once in awhile.
  237. Profile photo of mjfoxman
    mjfoxman Male 18-29
    336 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 4:10 pm
    this movie is retarded, how people got into heaven during the bible times is different than it is for us now. god made it easy for us. he sacrificed his own son for our sins so now all a person has to do to get into heaven is believe in this and jesus christ and ask for his forgivness and he will be forgiven and spend eternal life in heaven

    "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life" John 3:16

    it says whoever believes, thats all u have to do and it isnt asking much unlike the clip trys to make you believe. and if you dont believe in Christianity in the first place answer me this one question, over all the decades and centurys we have been alive why are the followers of this religion always persecuted for their belief and y does everyone try to disprove it, even though everytime they have tried they failed?
    this jus further shows the religions truth since god did predict this in the

  238. Profile photo of darnin
    darnin Male 13-17
    13 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 4:15 pm
    Wow...Um, most of the stuff he says is contradictory isn`t, because assuming the bible is what is claims to be, all that stuff is what the disciples interpreted.
  239. Profile photo of Tregalia
    Tregalia Female 18-29
    15 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 4:15 pm
    If you are a normal intelligent person this will make obvious to you that it’s mere brainwashing and ridiculing of religion.

    Let`s assume that I have my own sect that believes in flying @sses and naked homegnomes what will come to live at night to screw insects.

    Stupid? Maybe, but if I believe in it it`s my religion. People can critisize but I still keep believing. Lol, I`m tired physically and mentally to this sort of crap.

  240. Profile photo of greengiant
    greengiant Male 13-17
    686 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 4:17 pm
    This video just missed the ENTIRE point of religion and the Bible.
  241. Profile photo of jar-head
    jar-head Male 13-17
    596 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 4:17 pm
    anyone can take a part of something and mix it up, it`s called the news, like CNN, the IAB post on how bush was trying to pass a bill to save his skin, uh, for one, CNN hates bush and will say anything to it, thats sad. to inherent eternal life, follow the ten commandments, and good f`in luck!
  242. Profile photo of mjfoxman
    mjfoxman Male 18-29
    336 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 4:18 pm
    bible. he said his people would suffer great persecution for following him and its true. i dont see y people hate this religion so much when it asks so little. god gave u everything and paid for yours and my sins and all he asks is you to believe. it seems iggnorant to call him imaginary when you can see his creations all around you. seriously jus look at space for 10 mins and really think could all these stars planets galaxys come from an explosion in space could it all of happened by chance. if you truly believe that as science says than you are seriously lost and i pray that someone finds you and helps find your way because i would hate too see you suffer an eternity in hell because you couldnt find god.
  243. Profile photo of ConverseUK
    ConverseUK Male 18-29
    1270 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 4:22 pm
    Tregalia, you`re making the point that religion is myths and fairytales.

    You said it yourself, religion is in someones head and they`re too stupid and ignorant to realise that.

  244. Profile photo of JRB
    JRB Male 13-17
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    June 21, 2008 at 4:22 pm
    MJ, it seems a little ignorant to think that another being created everything around us.
  245. Profile photo of hawkeye52
    hawkeye52 Male 13-17
    60 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 4:23 pm
    Ericrox, please. I respect your right to believe anything you want to believe, but I believe you should do the same for everybody else. You have every right to believe in God, but don`t force it upon everybody else. RESPECT
  246. Profile photo of ConverseUK
    ConverseUK Male 18-29
    1270 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 4:27 pm
    And mjfoxman, shut the hell up.
    I`m not lost. I don`t need anyone to guide me.
    I don`t need religion to brainwash me.
    I don`t fear hell. Or your mythical god. Or you.
    I am my own person, not a scared, helpless sheep like you.
  247. Profile photo of florescent
    florescent Female 18-29
    134 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 4:27 pm
    The guy who made this video seems angry and bitter. He should just let people believe what they want to believe if it makes them happy. By insulting them he is just as bad as the people trying to shame nonbelievers into believing.
  248. Profile photo of MiniSquiggle
    MiniSquiggle Female 18-29
    28 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 4:28 pm
    who, seriously WHO is so against god and religion they spend all this time searching the bible for stuff like this to use in an arguement against it? who ever this guy is needs to get over the the fact some people beleive in god and do something more important with his life
  249. Profile photo of JRB
    JRB Male 13-17
    6 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 4:31 pm
    Converse, nobody is forcing you to do anything. You sound like one of those goth kids on South Park. "Conformists."
  250. Profile photo of ConverseUK
    ConverseUK Male 18-29
    1270 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 4:32 pm
    florescent and MiniSquiggle, I believe the maker of this video is showing the importance of truth and opening the human mind to more than we are just told.
    Just as you wouldn`t put up with being lied to by the state, you shouldn`t be forced to believe complete and utter lies from religion just because you`re too scared to question it.
    God was created to inject fear into the people. It`s worked.
  251. Profile photo of ConverseUK
    ConverseUK Male 18-29
    1270 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 4:33 pm
    JRB, shut up and don`t get into an argument you know nothing about. Come back when you have a real point to argue.
  252. Profile photo of primetimekin
    primetimekin Male 18-29
    7935 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 4:35 pm
    "God was created to inject fear into the people. It`s worked."
    " you shouldn`t be forced to believe complete and utter lies"

    Do you know for a fact there is no God?

  253. Profile photo of leesah
    leesah Female 18-29
    1566 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 4:35 pm
    How about we all just get over ourselves and let everyone believe whatever the hell they want to believe?
  254. Profile photo of ConverseUK
    ConverseUK Male 18-29
    1270 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 4:38 pm
    "Do you know for a fact there is no God?"

    There is a god...in the minds of those who believe. In the mentally disabled minds who deny science and hold true to outdated, ancient, scientifically wrong rules imposed by surpressive religious sects.

    That said, it is as much a god as the imaginary hot-dog I`m about to eat. It`s not there...but I wish it was...

  255. Profile photo of mjfoxman
    mjfoxman Male 18-29
    336 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 4:38 pm
    jrb i never said a being like us, i said god, he isnt like us he is omnipotent.

    and converse, sorry if i offended you but don`t call me brainwashed or a helpless sheep im not forced to believe this i truly believe it. i questioned it all before i wanted to commit suicide but then i meant some great people in my life who truly believed and i saw how happy they were even though they had tough life`s and there is nothing that makes me happier than when i am following god and if it offends you that i pray for you or people who don`t believe then too bad because i don`t think it is wrong to wish for people to be happy and live eternally. so get over it. im not trying to force anything on you in particular i was stating my beliefs

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    Fool_Be_Gone Male 13-17
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    June 21, 2008 at 4:38 pm
    Oh no! Christians! Run!
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    ConverseUK Male 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 4:41 pm
    Don`t pray for me.
    I find that the most insulting part, to be honest.
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    hehehenerd Male 13-17
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    June 21, 2008 at 4:42 pm
    god i hate these religious post, so many debates....then again, i love them :D
  259. Profile photo of primetimekin
    primetimekin Male 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 4:44 pm
    "There is a god...in the minds of those who believe. In the mentally disabled minds who deny science and hold true to outdated, ancient, scientifically wrong rules imposed by surpressive religious sects."

    Wait a minute, so im un-christian because I am using a computer. The las time I checked, it was used with science.

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    hehehenerd Male 13-17
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    June 21, 2008 at 4:44 pm
    God exist, but at the same time he doesnt. Problem solved, end discussion
  261. Profile photo of ConverseUK
    ConverseUK Male 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 4:46 pm
    "Wait a minute, so im un-christian because I am using a computer. The las time I checked, it was used with science."
    You`re either incredibly stupid or useless with the whole sarcasm thing. Trust me, stay away from it, it`s an English trait. (The sarcasm, that is...)
  262. Profile photo of idontknow951
    idontknow951 Male 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 4:46 pm
    God doesn`t exist. If he did and created everything, what created him? He cannot create himself, as that would completely destroy the laws of the universe. By all rights, the five protocols of science prove that he doesn`t exist.
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    mjfoxman Male 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 4:46 pm
    converse you call our beliefs outdated and scientifically wrong but science has yet to disprove anything in the bible, they found the ark on the side of a mountain which leads me and others to think there was a flood. they never found jesus`s bones but they did find his tomb. they know where he was crucified. the bible has many stories that have truth and have been confirmed by findings.

    and y are u so angry at those who believe, and y are u trying so hard to disprove what we say, are we really that mean or oppressive because i dont believe we are.

    and if you wanna know how we know there is a god. true we cant see him or touch him, but we can feel his presence. he is the only thing that give me comfort when i think about my grandfather who has cancer for the second time and does not wish to go through the treatments a second time in 2 years. he is the only thing that will give me comfort when he dies in two months or so. SO DONT TELL ME THERE IS NO GOD.

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    idontknow951 Male 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 4:48 pm
    Also, if God does exist, and he is perfect, then why the hell did he commit a sin? If greediness is a sin, then he is being greedy by denying access to heaven due to his contradictory statements.
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    pinkie05 Female 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 4:50 pm
    lmao this guy (the video creator) takes things too literally i think. I really enjoy a good conspiracy now and then so this was interesting to me. It didn`t phase me though...
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    vstorm Male 30-39
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    June 21, 2008 at 4:51 pm
    dude, i`m not even christian and think you`re ignorant....
  267. Profile photo of primetimekin
    primetimekin Male 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 4:51 pm
    "God doesn`t exist. If he did and created everything, what created him? He cannot create himself, as that would completely destroy the laws of the universe. By all rights, the five protocols of science prove that he doesn`t exist."

    Then, what created the universe? See, the universe is bound by the laws of physics, God is not.

    "Also, if God does exist, and he is perfect, then why the hell did he commit a sin? If greediness is a sin, then he is being greedy by denying access to heaven due to his contradictory statements."
    1) Greed is a human sin
    2) He is keeping heaven for those who did good deeds. Its not greed. Greed would be keeping more heaven for yourself, but he is not.

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    Pravda7 Female 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 4:52 pm
    Here is why I have a problem with religion: There has never been a dictator in the history of the world who would be reposnsible for more mass murdering than organized religion. Starting from the crusdaes, through wars between christians of different denomination, Manifest Destiny and killing off native americans, the examples never end. Money hungry churches exploit people and priests use their power to sleep with little boys all in the name of one book - the one being under discussion.
  269. Profile photo of ConverseUK
    ConverseUK Male 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 4:53 pm
    There is no god.
    There`s an imaginary friend in your head who you seek comfort from, just as a small child has the same.
    Anyone who`s interested in philosophy knows this is a clear psychological explaination.

    Person is unhappy >
    Person seeks someone to confide in >
    Person can`t find anyone powerful enough and thus creates a `perfect being` in their head >
    Person shifts problems onto this created being

    It`s the way it is...there`s nothing more to it other than stories and hearsay.
    Did you know most teachings in the bible were from a time before that of `jesus`?
    No, didn`t think so.
    Too caught up to realise your religion isn`t all it`s cracked up to be.
    The real freedom...the real paradise comes from knowing that you have the control over yourself, and not some white bearded man in your inner psyche.

  270. Profile photo of idontknow951
    idontknow951 Male 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 4:54 pm
    "Then, what created the universe? See, the universe is bound by the laws of physics, God is not."

    The universe and everything within it, INCLUDING god, IF he exists, is also bound to by the laws of physics. If nothing is bound to by physics or reality, then you don`t exist.

    Jesus -> Human, kkthxbai.

  271. Profile photo of ConverseUK
    ConverseUK Male 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 4:55 pm
    "Then, what created the universe? See, the universe is bound by the laws of physics, God is not."

    You just proved god does not physically exist. Thanks, that makes it easier.

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    davymid Male 30-39
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    June 21, 2008 at 4:56 pm
    Just to lighten the mood, this is Ricky Gervais (you know, him wot did The Office and Extras) doing a stand-up segment on the Bible.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NaEj3g5GOYA

    I think it`s funny as hell, but be warned it`s 10 minutes long...

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    primetimekin Male 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 4:57 pm
    pravda7
    Crusades? All that was, was a change in the reason of war. Every nation in Europe was fighting, they just changed the reason to fight. If there weren`t an wars in Europe there would be no crusades.
    The Protestant Reformation? Luther didn`t want it to be a religious war. He wanted to break away. The peasants saw this as an opportunity to rebel. Not religion, it was the peasants
    Manifest Destiny was an excuse. Not a reason. Find me where it mentions Manifest Destiny in the Bible considering that Jesus was of Olive skin.
    There are over 700 cases of pedophilia daily, you only hear about 2-3 priest a year. Quit watching CNN.

    And as far as dictators? Mao and Stalin did a pretty good job killing people. And they were atheist.

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    idontknow951 Male 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 4:57 pm
    "You just proved god does not physically exist. Thanks, that makes it easier."

    Agreed. The people here are too caught up in their religion to realize the truth.

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    jebler Male 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 4:57 pm
    no matter what the subject based around religion vs science or anything to do with religion the fact is those who want it to be true will see everything thing in it as truth and prof of the existence of whatever deity they believe in and those who want it to be wrong will see everything in it as prof that it is all bs. i see it both ways... agnostic ftw
  276. Profile photo of primetimekin
    primetimekin Male 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 4:58 pm
    "Did you know most teachings in the bible were from a time before that of `jesus`?"

    Yeah.... its the Old testament... we kinda know that.

    "The real freedom...the real paradise comes from knowing that you have the control over yourself, and not some white bearded man in your inner psyche."
    Freud?

  277. Profile photo of idontknow951
    idontknow951 Male 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 4:59 pm
    God does not exist. I can prove it as well:

    Have you ever SEEN god with your own eyes? Have you ever HEARD god with your own ears? Have you ever TOUCHED god with your own finger (... Don`t even...)? Have you ever SMELLED god with your nose? Have you ever TASTED god with your tongue?

    The answer to all of them is no. Therefore, he does not exist. We can prove that everything else exists using the five protocols of science.

  278. Profile photo of primetimekin
    primetimekin Male 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 5:01 pm
    "You just proved god does not physically exist. Thanks, that makes it easier."
    Right, physically. Who said we are talking about physics. You are assuming all is bound to physics, therefore the physical is the only thing that is real. Flawed premise
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    eeeriddler08 Female 13-17
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    June 21, 2008 at 5:01 pm
    i find this very very iteresting. i love how theres already 12 pages of comments. amazing. im buddhist. so this was of no offense to me. besides, i wouldnt go to heaven anyway. i am too much of a "sinner" lol.
  280. Profile photo of primetimekin
    primetimekin Male 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 5:01 pm
    "\"Have you ever SEEN god with your own eyes? Have you ever HEARD god with your own ears? Have you ever TOUCHED god with your own finger (... Don`t even...)? Have you ever SMELLED god with your nose? Have you ever TASTED god with your tongue?"

    Have you ever seen a million dollars?

  281. Profile photo of vstorm
    vstorm Male 30-39
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    June 21, 2008 at 5:02 pm
    if you want to promote atheism do it with as at least 1/10th of as much class, tact and/or logic as Richard Dawkins. `The God Delusion` is a fascinating insight into our Universe (from a biological point of view anyway) and this is coming from a strong believer in God. This video (and the logic contained withing) was just... well... poor. Sorry.
  282. Profile photo of primetimekin
    primetimekin Male 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 5:02 pm
    "agnostic ftw"
    As Colbert said, "Agnostic- atheist without balls"
  283. Profile photo of idontknow951
    idontknow951 Male 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 5:02 pm
    "Right, physically. Who said we are talking about physics. You are assuming all is bound to physics, therefore the physical is the only thing that is real. Flawed premise"

    All IS bound to physics. You cannot disprove that fact. If nothing was bound to by physics, then it would not exist. You couldn`t prove that it exists, and even if it did, it wouldn`t exist because you couldn`t touch it, see it, etc...

  284. Profile photo of primetimekin
    primetimekin Male 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 5:03 pm
    "Agreed. The people here are too caught up in their religion to realize the truth."
    Like evangelical atheism
  285. Profile photo of Pravda7
    Pravda7 Female 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 5:03 pm
    Prime - The Bible also approves of slavery...
    Hitler actually stated that Jews were evil because they killed Christ. Crusades were organized by the church and added to the chaos and made it worse, but weren`t caused by it. Check your facts.
  286. Profile photo of primetimekin
    primetimekin Male 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 5:04 pm
    "All IS bound to physics. You cannot disprove that fact. If nothing was bound to by physics, then it would not exist. You couldn`t prove that it exists, and even if it did, it wouldn`t exist because you couldn`t touch it, see it, etc..."

    Therefore, emotions and ideas dont exist? I can`t smell love can I?

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    ConverseUK Male 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 5:04 pm
    "Right, physically. Who said we are talking about physics. You are assuming all is bound to physics, therefore the physical is the only thing that is real. Flawed premise"

    You are trying to prove something exists without existing. Flawed...well, everything really.
    If something is not bound by physics, then it does not physically exist in our universe. If it does not physically exist in our universe then it has no presence in our universe.

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    idontknow951 Male 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 5:05 pm
    "Like evangelical atheism "

    Last I checked, that wasn`t a religion. I do not live by religion. I live by science and reality.

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    xXxNatexXx Male 13-17
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    June 21, 2008 at 5:05 pm
    such a stupid controversy, can`t we all just believe what we want and say our" i told you so!"`s in the end?
  290. Profile photo of ConverseUK
    ConverseUK Male 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 5:05 pm
    Love doesn`t exist...it`s really just part of human survival.
  291. Profile photo of primetimekin
    primetimekin Male 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 5:06 pm
    "Prime - The Bible also approves of slavery... "

    No it doesnt. The passage states that the Haamites I believe (haven`t read it in awhile) where put into slavery as a form of punishment for one of Noah`s sons insulting him. It doesn`t preach slavery but rather Honor thy father.

    And Hitler hated Jews because they had all the wealth. Germany was stuck with the treaty of Versailles and the best way to re-distribute wealth to the nation is to take the wealth from the richest. It was an economic strategy.

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    Pravda7 Female 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 5:07 pm
    However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)
  293. Profile photo of primetimekin
    primetimekin Male 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 5:08 pm
    "If something is not bound by physics, then it does not physically exist in our universe. If it does not physically exist in our universe then it has no presence in our universe."

    So If I kill someone out of anger, since anger isn`t physical, I murdered someone for no reason. That would be a plea of insanity. Why haven`t Lawyers figured that out yet?

  294. Profile photo of Pravda7
    Pravda7 Female 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 5:08 pm
    maybe you should read it first before commenting on it than...
  295. Profile photo of primetimekin
    primetimekin Male 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 5:09 pm
    New testament removes us from Mosaaic law. If anything ask Jews about Leviticus but it isn`t preached after the New testament. It contradicts with love thy neighbor
  296. Profile photo of idontknow951
    idontknow951 Male 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 5:10 pm
    "Therefore, emotions and ideas dont exist? I can`t smell love can I?"

    Emotions and thoughts are states of one’s mind, they do not exist.

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    ConverseUK Male 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 5:12 pm
    Killing someone out of anger is the same as killing someone for no reason. The fact is that the killing is wrong, not the emotion behind it.
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    wowibrandon Male 13-17
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    June 21, 2008 at 5:12 pm
    can`t there be a mixer religion?
  299. Profile photo of idontknow951
    idontknow951 Male 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 5:14 pm
    "can`t there be a mixer religion?"

    Look at it this way:

    There is either Yes or No. There is no maybe or in between. Just like how someone HAS to be either on the side of good or evil. There is no half-way point.

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    idontknow951 Male 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 5:14 pm
    The reason for that is because we are linear entities.
  301. Profile photo of primetimekin
    primetimekin Male 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 5:15 pm
    "Killing someone out of anger is the same as killing someone for no reason. The fact is that the killing is wrong, not the emotion behind it."

    But if you kill someone without a motive, then any judge will rule it insanity. Unless your saying someone who is mentally retarded kills someone is just as wrong as someone who knowingly killed someone

  302. Profile photo of davymid
    davymid Male 30-39
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    June 21, 2008 at 5:15 pm
    Aw, come on Prime, behave yourself. Here you go again with the whole "The Old Testament is old school, Jesus did away with that in the New Testament" spiel again. Do I have to start wheeling out quotes from your holy tome at you again?

    Also, "So If I kill someone out of anger, since anger isn`t physical..." No, you didn`t kill someone with anger. It`s the huge physical stab wound in his aorta spurting blood that woulda done it. See, physical world. Ya know, reality, and all that.

  303. Profile photo of Josh2601
    Josh2601 Male 13-17
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    June 21, 2008 at 5:16 pm
    Hmm... it is sad that atheists are so intent on telling people that they are wrong. I mean, I understand people have different opinions. But Christian, Muslims, and many other religions try to prove the realism of their beliefs in order to save the souls of people they care about. Atheists have to reason or incentive to tell others that their god is not real. I mean, if there is no God, what is the harm of having faith. Atheists should stop working so hard to convert people to a worthless cause. Why tell someone they are wrong, when no harm can come of it. I mean, even if all people are being deceived because they have some notion of god, what can it hurt?

    PS I am sick of the anti-christian crap that is posted on this site. Why don`t we ever have any pro-christian posts?

  304. Profile photo of idontknow951
    idontknow951 Male 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 5:18 pm
    "But if you kill someone without a motive, then any judge will rule it insanity. Unless your saying someone who is mentally retarded kills someone is just as wrong as someone who knowingly killed someone"

    ... I could easily kill a cyclist without a reason due to an accident. The judge won`t rule that as insanity.

  305. Profile photo of Pravda7
    Pravda7 Female 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 5:18 pm
    It does not remove anything. Jesus clearly states in the bible : Matt. 5:17 says ‘Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets.

    besides - here`s a passage from Luke : The servant will be severely punished, for though he knew his duty, he refused to do it. "But people who are not aware that they are doing wrong will be punished only lightly. Much is required from those to whom much is given, and much more is required from those to whom much more is given." (Luke 12:47-48 NLT)

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    primetimekin Male 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 5:19 pm
    davymid, scientist dont make the same readers. You take the quotes but dont have the message. Luckily, I have a book with interpretations of it. Remember you are a scientist, the word all to you means all. Anti means against. There is a reason Christians eat pork.

    And im not talking about the physical stab wound im talking about the motive. If there is no motive than it is considered insanity, and insane people dont go to jail, they go to mental centers.

  307. Profile photo of ConverseUK
    ConverseUK Male 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 5:19 pm
    primetimekin, you`re just being stupid now.
    If I go out and kill someone for no reason, then it is nothing more than a heartless, wicked murder and would be treated possibly worse than a murder with intent. It`s nothing about insanity, it`s about being a heartless individual with disregard for others lives and thus the murderer will be punished as a murderer.
    Where are you getting this `if I have no intent then it`s okay` thing from?
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    iAMzach Male 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 5:21 pm
    lol this debate is still going on...well hi guys good luck
  309. Profile photo of primetimekin
    primetimekin Male 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 5:22 pm
    "... I could easily kill a cyclist without a reason due to an accident. The judge won`t rule that as insanity."
    Manslaughter. Im saying if you kill someone without accident and without motive. You just stab someone for no reason.

    Pravda. NAB has an explanation for it. It is really long and wont fit within 1000 characters (im talking about Matt 5:17). In short, fulfill does not mean fulfill. And I dont even know what your trying to prove with Luke

  310. Profile photo of idontknow951
    idontknow951 Male 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 5:24 pm
    "Manslaughter. Im saying if you kill someone without accident and without motive. You just stab someone for no reason."

    Many people do that, but are THEY insane? No, they bring it up as a last line of defense to avoid jail time. Look at the Waco incident, those two killed without a motive, and they weren`t insane.

  311. Profile photo of Pravda7
    Pravda7 Female 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 5:24 pm
    So prime... you talk about the bible and defend it... but you don`t know it. Most people who are blind believers in the bible don`t know what`s in it... I have studied the bible for two years - read it from beginning to the end ... that`s why I can state with a clear conscience that it`s completely absurd...
  312. Profile photo of davymid
    davymid Male 30-39
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    June 21, 2008 at 5:25 pm
    ^^Josh, "Why tell someone they are wrong, when no harm can come of it."

    No harm can come of it? Dude, I`m from Northern Ireland, OK? My cousin got blown into small chunks of charred meat by an IRA bomb. Why? Because he was Protestant.

    Note, here, we are not talking about Atheists vs religious people, Muslims vs Christians, or whatever. We are talking about two groups of people who worship the same god, the same Jesus, but in very subtly different ways (like whether in communion the bread and wine actually `transubstantiate` into the flesh and blood of christ. I mean, come on to f*ck, it`s like arguing whether Santa wears red or green underwear. And then killing each other over it.)

    And one last point, back in Northern Ireland, if we didn`t have religious labels like "Catholic Christian" and "Protestant Christian", how would we know who the enemy was so we could kill them? 9-11, Iraqi sectarian violence, Madrid bombings, etc etc et-f*cking-cetera.

  313. Profile photo of primetimekin
    primetimekin Male 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 5:25 pm
    If you kill someone without intent, then its considered insanity as there is no reason to kill but you just did it. What you are describing has a motive. Disregard for human life. But not caring about human life isn`t physical, therefore it doesn`t exist.

    Science has limits. Realize it. Emotion. Morality. Free Will (although they say there is no free will). Science has been great for technology and medical improvements, etc. But it still has its limits. Physics. Everything within the realm of physics it might be able to answer. Outside of physics it cant.

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    davymid Male 30-39
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    June 21, 2008 at 5:25 pm
    "no harm can come of it"? Get a grip.
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    EmoGangster Male 13-17
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    June 21, 2008 at 5:25 pm
    Josh2601;;

    "Atheists have to reason or incentive to tell others that their god is not real. I mean, if there is no God, what is the harm of having faith."
    This faith is causing ignorance, and discrimination, etc. And atheists want to stop this by converting Christians.

    "Why don`t we ever have any pro-christian posts?"
    It doesn`t look like you`re submitting any...

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    dxichik0118 Female 13-17
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    June 21, 2008 at 5:26 pm
    Thank you Ericarox. I am a faithful Christian girl, and Jesus is real. If you repent, be baptized, and ask to be forgiven, you will go to heaven. Withoug jesus, i probably wouldn`t be here right now, so don`t you dare say he isn`t real! >-(
  317. Profile photo of Pravda7
    Pravda7 Female 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 5:26 pm
    As far as Luke - approval for slavery is not only in the old testament.
  318. Profile photo of Pravda7
    Pravda7 Female 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 5:28 pm
    Anyway... this is the never ending conversation with people who believe in the bible... It`s pretty stupid of people who can see beyound it to try to explain those things to those blind believers... I guess I am guilty of that myself.
  319. Profile photo of primetimekin
    primetimekin Male 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 5:28 pm
    Here it is. 1117 chars.
    http://www.usccb.org/nab/bible/matthew/m...
  320. Profile photo of Josh2601
    Josh2601 Male 13-17
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    June 21, 2008 at 5:29 pm
    Emogangster:
    This faith is causing ignorance, and discrimination, etc. And atheists want to stop this by converting Christians.

    "Why don`t we ever have any pro-christian posts?"
    It doesn`t look like you`re submitting any...


    First of all, Christianity in the way God intends would not have discrimination. People of our world that claim to be Christians do not always convey the actual beliefs of our God. Secondly, I JUST JOINED of course I am not submitting any pro-christian posts. And I believe that atheisms predjudice against Christians is just as bad as the screwed up from of Christianity`s predjudice and hate towards gays, etc.

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    Flameguin Male 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 5:30 pm
    You fine gentlemen are taking his words out of context.
  322. Profile photo of primetimekin
    primetimekin Male 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 5:32 pm
    servant doesnt mean slave. Are you sure you read it?
    You didn`t notice how all of Luke 12 is a giant parable. The faithful servant to his masters is us to God basically. Its not talking about slavery but being servants to God.
  323. Profile photo of primetimekin
    primetimekin Male 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 5:34 pm
    "hate towards gays, etc."
    I agree with you mostly but I dont hate gays, I hate the act. Thats it. Gays are still children of God
  324. Profile photo of primetimekin
    primetimekin Male 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 5:36 pm
    OH and its hard to find pro-christian links. Atheist dont have a book we can quote... yet.

    One time we put a video of a scientist who argued against evolution and all the atheist said "this has so many flaws im not even going to bother". That kinda took the fun away

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    Josh2601 Male 13-17
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    June 21, 2008 at 5:36 pm
    !!! GOOD! It is very true. We as Christians should not be hateful towards gays of keep them out of our bodies of believers, but we should not condone the actions.
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    Pravda7 Female 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 5:37 pm
    Prime... It`s up to interpretation, from the context it is reasonable to conclude that he is talking about slavery. Hey - the examples from new testament are endless - here is another one : Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. (Ephesians 6:5 NLT)
  327. Profile photo of EmoGangster
    EmoGangster Male 13-17
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    June 21, 2008 at 5:38 pm
    "First of all, Christianity in the way God intends would not have discrimination."
    I believe the Bible says that it`s 100% peachy keen to sell your daughter into slavery, and to have slavery in general. Also, if the bible says gays will go to hell, is that not discrimination right there??

    "I JUST JOINED of course I am not submitting any pro-christian posts"
    Okay, I didn`t realize, I`m sorry.

    "And I believe that atheisms predjudice against Christians is just as bad as the screwed up from of Christianity`s predjudice and hate towards gays, etc."
    Do you expect me to not discriminate against Christians even though they have been discriminating against me??

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    Josh2601 Male 13-17
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    June 21, 2008 at 5:39 pm
    In context of how if you are under the control of another man, serve him as well as you can in order to glorify your God in heaven. Not as in we are the slaves of God.
  329. Profile photo of Pravda7
    Pravda7 Female 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 5:39 pm
    Atheists do not need an old stack of lies to know whet they should consider right and wrong - that`s the difference. Besides - don`t assume that those who can see through the bible are atheists... I am not.
  330. Profile photo of primetimekin
    primetimekin Male 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 5:39 pm
    Just read it. Seems to be another parable.
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    Josh2601 Male 13-17
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    June 21, 2008 at 5:41 pm
    Ah, an eye for an eye. That is the way our society works now. You cannot end the discrimination when you keep feeding it. I forgive you for not knowing ,lol. The bible does say that "homosexual offenders" will not enter the kingdom of God. Homosexuality is seen as a sin in the bible. So is drunkeness, adultury, etc. And again, God loves gays, but when people continue to disobey him and reject the life through Christ he has given us, there is no way for us to enter heaven. God does not send us to hell, our own foolishness and unwillingness to repent and realize we are wrong, that is what keeps us from God.
  332. Profile photo of Pravda7
    Pravda7 Female 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 5:42 pm
    Anyways... I`m just pulling quotes from your book to prove you that even the devil could take your bible and prove whatever he/she wants with it... (if there is a devil that is) I am out of this conversation - waste of time.
  333. Profile photo of EmoGangster
    EmoGangster Male 13-17
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    June 21, 2008 at 5:44 pm
    I don`t mean slaves of god, I mean slaves of each other.
    example:
    "If you buy a Hebrew slave, he is to serve for only six years. Set him free in the seventh year, and he will owe you nothing for his freedom. If he was single when he became your slave and then married afterward, only he will go free in the seventh year. But if he was married before he became a slave, then his wife will be freed with him. If his master gave him a wife while he was a slave, and they had sons or daughters, then the man will be free in the seventh year, but his wife and children will still belong to his master. But the slave may plainly declare, `I love my master, my wife, and my children. I would rather not go free.` If he does this, his master must present him before God. Then his master must take him to the door and publicly pierce his ear with an awl. After that, the slave will belong to his master forever. (Exodus 21:2-6 NLT)"
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    Tachyon Male 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 5:44 pm
    I`m an atheist, although raised with a religious background, however, although i can see what this guy is trying to do...

    I HATE THESE VIDEOS!

    they are up there with the extremist christian orthodox views in terms of validity, in the sense that you do not believe in a world where people are free to follow their own path through life, and feel you have to proove everything.

    Let it go, let the religious believe in the bible, let the people who belive in science believe in science, if someone has devoted their life to something arguing it and ultimately crushing their beliefs (if at all possible) will accomplish nothing

  335. Profile photo of primetimekin
    primetimekin Male 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 5:45 pm
    Whatever happened to ttsec? I missed him and his debates. Sure he was against organized religion but he was a theist. He was fighting right here with me. Every time I am in a religious/capitalism debate. I think of him
  336. Profile photo of davymid
    davymid Male 30-39
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    June 21, 2008 at 5:46 pm
    ^^ "hate towards gays, etc."

    I agree with you mostly but I dont hate gays, I hate the act. Thats it. Gays are still children of God"

    PTK, wise up (you too Josh), if you`re really thinking of doing law you need to gain some reasoning skills. This is like saying:

    I don`t have a problem with murderers, I have a problem with murder. God still loves murderers.

    or

    I don`t have a problem with child pornographers, I have a problem with child pornography. God still loves child pornographers.

    Let`s play a game, and see where it goes, shall we. Christianity is the only true religion, right? Those who are not saved in the name of christ the redeemer will not enter the kingdom of blah blah blah...

    So we could try "God does not hate Muslims, he only hates Islam". Or, "God does not hate Jews, he just hates Judaism."

    It`s a pointless paper exercise. God does not hate shapes, he just hates geometry.

    Invalid argument is invalid, as they say.

  337. Profile photo of primetimekin
    primetimekin Male 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 5:46 pm
    emogangster, key word. Exodus. Christian do not follow all of the old testament. The link I gave earlier shows how christians interpret it.
  338. Profile photo of EmoGangster
    EmoGangster Male 13-17
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    June 21, 2008 at 5:47 pm
    "The bible does say that "homosexual offenders" will not enter the kingdom of God. Homosexuality is seen as a sin in the bible. So is drunkeness, adultury, etc. And again, God loves gays, but when people continue to disobey him and reject the life through Christ he has given us, there is no way for us to enter heaven. God does not send us to hell, our own foolishness and unwillingness to repent and realize we are wrong, that is what keeps us from God."
    ...and that`s exactly why atheists are trying to convert Christians. Because they think that they`re allowed to hate because I book tells them that it`s okay.
  339. Profile photo of EmoGangster
    EmoGangster Male 13-17
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    June 21, 2008 at 5:49 pm
    "Invalid argument is invalid, as they say."
    lol irl.
  340. Profile photo of Josh2601
    Josh2601 Male 13-17
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    June 21, 2008 at 5:51 pm
    Okay, God loves all people, he only hates the sin that gives us they unablility to be with him. We are not meant to be sinful, but we disobey God and makes ourselves impure. I don`t think it is invalid. God hates the sin, but is incapable of hating the person. So yes, every analogy you used what true. God only hates the sin, which taints the person. I do not think that to be an invalid argument. A parent will always love their child, regaurdless of what they have done, if they are a good parent, right?
  341. Profile photo of primetimekin
    primetimekin Male 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 5:51 pm
    Davymid, the whole murder and child porn would hold true.

    Now "Christianity is the only true religion".
    I have asked myself these questions. Could it be possible that Christianity is the only TRUE religion, but other religions aren`t necessarily evil (im including atheism as a religion. We`ll have a debate on that some other post). Could it be that God wants Christians to remain Christians but other people from outside religion may still be saved? That P.O.V. I learned that.... in a book!

    But come on. Everyone hates Jews!

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    primetimekin Male 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 5:52 pm
    kidding
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    June 21, 2008 at 5:53 pm
    ^^ "Whatever happened to ttsec?" He died of testicular cancer. God could have cured him, but decided in His divine wisdom not to. It was His will, and we shall not question it, because it makes us stronger in our faith. Probably not enough prayers, or something. Or maybe it was the work of Satan.

    Or maybe, he grew aggressive malignant tumours in one of his balls and eventually his body gave out, despite the best efforts of science to provide him with chemotherapy.

  344. Profile photo of Josh2601
    Josh2601 Male 13-17
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    June 21, 2008 at 5:53 pm
    We are not allowed to hate. God says hate is murder in our hearts. You don`t understand!!! We sill love the people, but according to God`s law, those things are not acceptable. It does not give us permission to hate them. Nothing close to that! We still love them, it is just wrong. And what is your excuse for your hate? Because we are doing things to try to care for others, in the pure sense of Christianity. I understand there are frauds, but people don`t understand how God inteneded us to be.
  345. Profile photo of primetimekin
    primetimekin Male 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 5:54 pm
    davymid, he was a theist. He would have gone to a doctor. So if he got a tumor in his nuts and died. I blame chemo
  346. Profile photo of EmoGangster
    EmoGangster Male 13-17
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    June 21, 2008 at 5:54 pm
    "emogangster, key word. Exodus. Christian do not follow all of the old testament."
    Then you`re not a very good Cristian.
    Heaven and Earth have not passed away yet, therefore the Old Testament is still valid...

    "Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place." (Matthew 5:17)"

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    Josh2601 Male 13-17
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    June 21, 2008 at 5:55 pm
    It is not God`s will for people to die. God wants all people to live their full lives, and then join Him in heaven for eternity! Perhaps he was not saved because he was not a Christian? or because he ever asked God for saving? We can never know what God would have done.
  348. Profile photo of primetimekin
    primetimekin Male 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 5:55 pm
    "God says hate is murder in our hearts."
    Tell that to a Westboro Baptist. All 7 of them, lol
  349. Profile photo of caboose117
    caboose117 Male 13-17
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    June 21, 2008 at 5:58 pm
    the fact that he made a video and posted it on the internet has already lowered him to below the status of "normal intelligent adult"

    "normal intelligent people" do not post videos trying to refute religions on youtube. this is an epic phail.

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    unbwogable Male 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 5:59 pm
    Actually, in step 3, the real verse is (in the KJV):

    LUKE 14:33So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple.

    In english, if he doesn`t leave all that he has, he cannot follow. NOT how the video says, actually, the complete opposite. Don`t believe me?
    http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?sea...

  351. Profile photo of primetimekin
    primetimekin Male 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 5:59 pm
    emo, according to christian "passing of earth" doesn`t mean apocalypse, its the turning of the ages which came with the death of jesus.
  352. Profile photo of caboose117
    caboose117 Male 13-17
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    June 21, 2008 at 6:00 pm
    "So, everyone can get into heaven, right? Then tell me, why do devote Christians (Some who think their religion is the only sensible one) think that if you don`t believe in their religion EXACTLY THE RIGHT WAY you`re going to hell? Please, explain that for me."

    Well hillbillyjoe, their is ignorance in whatever denomination you go to. Actually, if we say 70% of the people in this world are ignorant, then 70% of Christians are technically ignorant too.

    People seem to be more ignorant TOWARDS religion these days, not opening their minds at all. Ignorance from what I see is on both sides of the table.

    But I think most of us would agree that the person who made this video has an annoying voice.

  353. Profile photo of teiso
    teiso Female 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 6:00 pm
    I`m not gonna watch it because I can`t be bothered but my dad, who is Christian, believes that no one is going to go to heaven. Instead, the saved are going to live on the new Earth.
  354. Profile photo of davymid
    davymid Male 30-39
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    June 21, 2008 at 6:00 pm
    Josh, so you really believe that only true Christians are going to the kingdom of heaven? Be careful how you answer, because I have a question for you, if you have the balls to answer.

    SPOILER- It may make you look like an non-nice individual

  355. Profile photo of EmoGangster
    EmoGangster Male 13-17
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    June 21, 2008 at 6:00 pm
    "And what is your excuse for your hate?"
    My excuse is that Christians are ignorant and think my lifestyle is "unacceptable", and discriminating against me because of it.
  356. Profile photo of Josh2601
    Josh2601 Male 13-17
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    June 21, 2008 at 6:01 pm
    caboose117 a voice of reason! Way to be open to both sides of the spectrum
  357. Profile photo of caboose117
    caboose117 Male 13-17
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    June 21, 2008 at 6:01 pm
    "
    Have you noticed how the uber-christians type like
    THIS OMG BILIEV IN GOD HELL SAVE U PLZ
    and the atheists/agnostics type like
    This. Hello, would you like a cup of tea? Indeed, indeed."

    Hmm? There are just as many videos trying to prove as their are to refute a God from what I`m seeing, and I`m seeing equal reactions from both sides, so I`m seeing a sort of biased view from you. Because frankly, I have no clue what you`re talking about m`am.

  358. Profile photo of Josh2601
    Josh2601 Male 13-17
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    June 21, 2008 at 6:03 pm
    See, but true Christians should not discriminate. Only Christians who follow the word of God and do as he says. Not the "sunday Christians" the "life-style christian" are the ones who are doing what God said. So what is your question?
  359. Profile photo of primetimekin
    primetimekin Male 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 6:04 pm
    "If you open your mind too much, your brains will fall out."
    My sister says that all the time. Although its often FOR christianity.
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    Tachyon Male 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 6:08 pm

    yay

  361. Profile photo of EmoGangster
    EmoGangster Male 13-17
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    June 21, 2008 at 6:09 pm
    True Christians aren`t allowing gays to get married, which is discrimination.
    "Discrimination: Treatment or consideration of, or making a distinction in favor of or against, a person or thing based on the group, class, or category to which that person or thing belongs rather than on individual merit"
  362. Profile photo of Josh2601
    Josh2601 Male 13-17
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    June 21, 2008 at 6:10 pm
    I think of that as more cruelity similar to racism. BTW, I think homosexulity is a choice, but let`s not start that debate.
  363. Profile photo of primetimekin
    primetimekin Male 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 6:11 pm
    ^^^^
    Thats because "marriage" only came to government as a result of the Couter reformation. Instead of fighting for marriage, fight for Legal Civil unions for tax/ insurance purposes. I`ll support that.
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    patthebaker Male 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 6:14 pm
    wow primetimekin i thought your name was primetimeking the whole time
  365. Profile photo of Josh2601
    Josh2601 Male 13-17
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    June 21, 2008 at 6:15 pm
    I have to leave the debate now. Watching a movie. I will check back later.
  366. Profile photo of metallica_14
    metallica_14 Male 13-17
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    June 21, 2008 at 6:15 pm
    i think Jesus made his list complicated to find the true believers
  367. Profile photo of davymid
    davymid Male 30-39
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    June 21, 2008 at 6:18 pm
    OK Josh, let`s dance. Here`s my ultimate rebuttal to (insert your religion here, but since we`re picking on Christianity...)

    My 2-year old daughter is asleep in the next room, whom I love more than life itself (fact). Let`s say I creep into her room, drag her out of her crib, and sexually assault her in the @ss until she bleeds to death from rectal wounds. Then I go into the next room where my loving wife is sleeping and I pound her face in with a hammer until the blood-slatters on the walls and the cessation of twitching tells me she`s dead.

    OK, I`m going to jail now. But in jail I find GOD, and realise that he loves me. I am born again. Heaven, here I come, make room!

  368. Profile photo of davymid
    davymid Male 30-39
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    June 21, 2008 at 6:18 pm
    Here`s another scenario (this time fictional). I`m a Muslim, born in Syria. I live a good life, am kind to my family, give everything for my daughter. Maybe I even save some fellow muslim`s lives from a house fire, who knows. I heard of Jesus, but I was born into the Qu`ran, so I don`t much care for that other religion.

    Scenario 1: Heaven.
    Scenario 2: Hell.

    F*ck religion, F*ck Christianity. It`s all sh*te.

  369. Profile photo of primetimekin
    primetimekin Male 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 6:21 pm
    "wow primetimekin i thought your name was primetimeking the whole time"
    Funny story.
    I originally had primetimeking, but a long long time ago my comments stopped working. I would comment and comment and it wouldn`t work. I created about 5 different accounts and none of them worked. I dont know why, im guessing it must have been a "FIRST" back in my younger days. Then one day I picked this one, and it worked. So I am stuck with the missing G
  370. Profile photo of EmoGangster
    EmoGangster Male 13-17
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    June 21, 2008 at 6:25 pm
    "Thats because "marriage" only came to government as a result of the Couter reformation. Instead of fighting for marriage, fight for Legal Civil unions for tax/ insurance purposes. I`ll support that."
    That is what I am fighting for, but it`s just much more convenient to say "marriage" as opposed to typing that out every time. I agree that marriage is based on Christianity. So then it has to do with religion, instead of the gov, and church and state are separated. Therefore gays do not need to be allowed to right to "marry". But they DO deserve a ceremony where they are joined, and given equal rights as a "married" couple.

    "BTW, I think homosexulity is a choice, but let`s not start that debate."
    Please don`t start it. You`ll lose.

  371. Profile photo of primetimekin
    primetimekin Male 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 6:26 pm
    "Here`s another scenario (this time fictional)."
    So the previous one is true?

    Okay...

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    xBLiTZKRiEGx Male 13-17
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    June 21, 2008 at 6:27 pm
    LOOK at the youtube profile, there are more good videos
  373. Profile photo of davymid
    davymid Male 30-39
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    June 21, 2008 at 6:30 pm
    Prime, (while eagerly anticipating an answer from Josh, please feel free to chip in BTW)

    Please stop with your crap about marriage being a Christian religious ceremony admonished by the Council of DiddyWank. Non-Christian tribal peoples from Australia to the Amazon to Papua New Mother-F*cking-Guinea have been conducting marriage ceremonies for millenia.

    Christianity doesn`t have a Trademark (TM) on "Marriage".

  374. Profile photo of primetimekin
    primetimekin Male 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 6:33 pm
    Yes it does. Not necessarily the act but the name. It wasn`t in europe before the Council of Diddywank.
  375. Profile photo of davymid
    davymid Male 30-39
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    June 21, 2008 at 6:34 pm
    "Here`s another scenario (this time fictional)."
    So the previous one is true?
    Okay...

    OK, so you`re trying to dodge the point by attempting the funnyness, good for you. Want to try to answer my question?

  376. Profile photo of primetimekin
    primetimekin Male 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 6:36 pm
    Im Catholic. We have purgatory. And a few pages earlier, I believe 13/14. I answered it before you asked it.
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    Cybelwin Female 13-17
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    June 21, 2008 at 6:39 pm
    You do learn something new everyday. Christianity is stupid. They steal your money and pray to lifeless statues that supposedly cry blood, water, oil, and maybe even glass. I think there is a science answer to this. Anyways, and what about those people that "heal" others by just rubbing their hands on their skin? It`s all just stupid.
  378. Profile photo of primetimekin
    primetimekin Male 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 6:42 pm
    ^^^
    I disproved all of the points in the video. Even many atheist agree the video is retarded. "steal" I thought that was a sin. And the statues are always dismissed by the Vatican. Its probably a twelve year old who thought they were funny. And heal... thats evangelicals. Not all christians.
  379. Profile photo of Glowy
    Glowy Male 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 6:42 pm
    LOL DIDDYWANK
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    June 21, 2008 at 6:54 pm
    ^Yup, DiddyWank for the win all that stuff...
  381. Profile photo of primetimekin
    primetimekin Male 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 6:56 pm
    I nominate Diddywank as IAB word of the year.
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    June 21, 2008 at 6:58 pm
    I second the motion
  383. Profile photo of davymid
    davymid Male 30-39
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    June 21, 2008 at 7:03 pm
    Prime, I actually enjoy this intellectual fencing, I think I may even be obliged to buy you a beer if you were on this side of the (treat-20-year-old-adults-like-they-were-f*cking-children) pond.

    If you ever make it to Amsterdam, look me up.

    No Hot-Tubs this time though.

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    yellowsquare Female 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 7:05 pm
    I have a question for the hardcore atheists:

    What about people who believe in a deity, yet are not Christian? People who believe in a higher power, but do not associate themselves with global Christianity?

    It seems a lot (though not all) of "atheism" is really just "anti-Christianism".

  385. Profile photo of primetimekin
    primetimekin Male 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 7:06 pm
    "If you ever make it to Amsterdam, look me up."
    I`ll put Amsterdam on my travel list.
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    minjofu Female 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 7:09 pm
    I missed him by a couple of pages but
    ConverseUK = emokid
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    cndman15 Male 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 7:09 pm
    fancy stop posting poo antireligion arguements that suck anyways. your really getting annoying. that uncyclepedia post should have changed it to "fancy. king of reposts and poo athiest posts"
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    Nidonemo Male 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 7:11 pm
    Life is hard, just don`t be a douchebag and we`ll come out okay.
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    smartbomb314 Male 13-17
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    June 21, 2008 at 7:13 pm
    I AGREE WITH ABSOLUTELY EVERYONE!
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    awesomeloser Male 13-17
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    June 21, 2008 at 7:17 pm
    What I find funny is that Heaven is a contradiction, Let`s say that there is a couple who have a child, they raise him as a christian, they go to church everyday etc., when he goes off to college he realizes that he is gay. many years later his parents die and go to heaven, now is heaven truly heavenly for them knowing that according to christian teachings their one and only child is going to spend eternity in hell?
  392. Profile photo of cndman15
    cndman15 Male 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 7:20 pm
    um gay ppl can go to heaven too. they just have an extra sin on their list. everyone sins
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    obesepig Female 13-17
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    June 21, 2008 at 7:21 pm
    That`s stupid. I`m also Catholic and it won`t change my beliefs either. All you need to do to go to Heaven is follow the Ten Commandments. And he keeps saying, "Normal intelligent person." You mean unlike yourself?
  394. Profile photo of MYCHEMGIRL
    MYCHEMGIRL Female 13-17
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    June 21, 2008 at 7:21 pm
    hmm...i actually dont really care about theese things becasue i dont beleive in any of theese things.

    but i guess the reason there is many religions is that so people can beleive in whatever they want... so weather you think that this is true or fake, you shouldnt care, becasue you already beleive in something.

    so i guess Ericarox:
    everybody can beleive whatever they want, so stop trying to force your religion on people. and dont you think that it is a little much to take out your bible and read it word for word, seeing as how most people here are agnostic or athiest (or pastafarian) so im just gonna say that you shouldnt waste your breath telling people about your beleifs when they dont care.

  395. Profile photo of cndman15
    cndman15 Male 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 7:23 pm
    but i do understand your point. i just thought that in heaven youd be blissfully unaware of anything bad happening. kinda like nirvana. all religion is tied. but i like how you have nothing else better do with your time and life then to find a picture showing how much you hate crosses. i guess your so ignorant that you just feel like hating an entire groupe of people. get a life.
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    Bekll Female 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 7:26 pm
    "any one can get in heavan"


    How? IT`S IMAGINARY.

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    Nazarene Male 50-59
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    June 21, 2008 at 7:30 pm
    Jesus told the one man "Love the Lord with all your heart and love your neighbor as yourself". That is all that`s required. He told the other man YOU still lack one thing... Then he told him to go sell everything. Jesus said this because he saw that the man did not love the Lord with all his heart. He loved his posessions more than he loved God. By telling him to sell everything he proved that the guy loved his money more than God.

    The guy who made this video is pretty much a fool.

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    Glowy Male 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 7:31 pm
    I love how everyone is so ignorant of how to use ignorant.
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    Glowy Male 18-29
    354 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 7:33 pm
    *So many people.
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    Drillprp Male 18-29
    35 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 7:34 pm
    What if I don`t want to live forever? What if I want to live my short mortal life, and then disappear into nothingness? Am I SOL and live forever anyway? Is that what a merciful god would do to someone like me?
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    LittleAce Male 13-17
    60 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 7:35 pm
    This is all messed up. First of all, the reason you have to do all the things mentioned is because you wont sin following those laws. However, the bible states that all have sinned (And therefore all will sin) and come short of the glory of God. So, that is the reason Jesus came to give us salvation. All the other things need to be followed, but God knows that we all will sin, so therefore he sent his son as a pure and perfect sacrifice.

    KK, Im good.

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    alik1986 Male 18-29
    80 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 7:37 pm
    this guy has no basic idea of christian theology...what an idiot
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    patthebaker Male 18-29
    1768 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 7:38 pm
    I now people will call this out but watch this its actually a good case for the bible being wrong not read by some douchebag http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RV46fsmx...
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    LittleAce Male 13-17
    60 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 7:39 pm
    ^Seriously, how ignorant can you be?
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    doran127 Male 13-17
    46 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 7:46 pm
    who ever made this has never gone to church. and heaven is not fake
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    June 21, 2008 at 7:46 pm
    Nazarene^^ Jesus *mouth-breathing*, told the man *more mouth-breathing*, love the LORD with all your "*extreme mouth-breathing*". And Jesu did say unto him *mouth-breathing*, and LO! In the name of the LORD Jesusmamausnamansusiah did say "*Very heavy, yet random, mouth-breathing*",

    And God looked upon this, and he said that it was good.

    But only if the homos die.

    Sorry, did i say homos? Man, I totally love homos, I just hate that homosexuality stuff that they do. I don`t want to send them to hell for eternity, but my hands are tied. What can I do, as the omnipotent being of the f*cking universe.

    If God exists, he`s a 1st class c*nt.

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    RyuTsurugi Male 13-17
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    June 21, 2008 at 7:51 pm
    yay religous battles..
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    davymid Male 30-39
    12140 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 7:52 pm
    And BT f*cking W, Josh, I`m still waiting for your answer from a few pages ago, when you`re good and done your movie.
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    TBirdVBall Female 18-29
    519 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 7:55 pm
    This may make me ignorant, but I really don`t have the attention span to watch that. The video is going much to slow for my tastes. I don`t like reading all the text and just sit there for 40 seconds just staring, wondering when the next thing is coming up and based off all the comments, it appears that that website is just twisting the Bible`s words around.
  410. Profile photo of CBFLATLINE
    CBFLATLINE Male 40-49
    147 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 7:56 pm
    NAZARENE...

    I CALL YOU A MANIPULATIVE, LIAR. From what you wrote and from your profile,

    you are only here to be a thorn.

    davymid, you fell for HATE.

  411. Profile photo of fattpill
    fattpill Male 30-39
    255 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 7:57 pm
    ohh man IAB censored me. they removed my post. I complained because of IAB posting all these religious clips on their site. you really SUCK IAB you really SUCK BAD. that is Propaganda you only allow what you want on these threads. you are sorry put my post back on here
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    cleminem9919 Male 13-17
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    June 21, 2008 at 8:01 pm
    ... im not religious at all, but i do believe in some things. when was the bible written? about 36 years after jesus died. during the transition from B.C. to A.D., was it after he came back from the dead, or when he died, and pre-resurection? so, the bible has some errors, because you try writing a book about a story you heard, that happened 36 years ago, and has been manipulated several times. so im kinda sick of people not being religously tolerant. except for scientologists, they are gay.
  413. Profile photo of Josh2601
    Josh2601 Male 13-17
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    June 21, 2008 at 8:05 pm
    Okay. Sorry, watching a movie. Here is my response.

    Scenario 1.
    The man did terrible, horrifing nasty things, but if he truly realized the error of his ways and asked God genutilnly for forgiveness, he would recieve it, as God is abundant in love.

    Scenario 2:
    The muslum man can be the greatest, kindest man ever to walk the earth, but he would not go to heaven if he had not accepted the gift of salvation from Jesus. As the bible says "man is not saved by works alone". It seems unfair, but it is how it is. I understand what you are saying. I have many times thought about similar things. It seems unfair that such a thing could happen to such a great man, but it is how it is. Not because God is cruel, but because of how things are. God gave us a way to escape hell, through Jesus, and we just have to accept it, but unless we do, we are doomed to hell. God doesn`t want that. You are dieing in a fire, do you go with the fireman, or wait for another person because you don

  414. Profile photo of kimosabi
    kimosabi Female 13-17
    101 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 8:06 pm
    whatever your belief is i think we can all agree that video was pretty lame. like this guys website. its got no pizzaz. UNLIKE THIS!
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    test-user564 Male 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 8:07 pm
    wow i remember on the first page some1 bet that this would go past 5 pages. man where they right
  416. Profile photo of Josh2601
    Josh2601 Male 13-17
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    June 21, 2008 at 8:09 pm
    Sorry, more.

    So the first scenario was true??? (...)

    Anyways, I really truly do understand where you are coming from. I often have doubts, but stay strong in my faith by talking with other believers and God. It does seem so unfair. I just assume that is how the universe works, and we can`t change it, but then I think. God gave us such an easy option, simple, easy forgiveness just by asking!? I still don`t know about some things, like, people on some island who have never heard about Jesus, God cannot judge them the same way, can he? I know that God is perfect and just, and he will judge them accordingly.

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    MissMistress Female 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 8:10 pm
    I agree 100% with this video, and his other ones that I have seen. Yes, some things he states are flawed, but no more than the bible itself is flawed and contradictory.

    So blah blah. These forums are full of stubborn people on both sides of the argument.
    Atheists and agnostics should let the Religious believe what they`d like. Religious people should stop trying to shove their beliefs down the non-religious` throat.

    THE END. Get in your corners and stop touching each other like kindergarteners.

  418. Profile photo of davymid
    davymid Male 30-39
    12140 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 8:11 pm
    ^^fattpill "ohh man IAB censored me. they removed my post. I complained because of IAB posting all these religious clips on their site. you really SUCK IAB you really SUCK BAD. that is Propaganda you only allow what you want on these threads. you are sorry put my post back on here"

    Fancylad, if fatpill`s complaint is true, then this is seriously not cool. Íf there`s a rogue mod deleting posts he/she doesn`t agree with, you should reel them in.

    BTW, who deleted Legacy`s post earlier in this forum, and why?

    I think we should have a moderator deletion log, who did it, and why.

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    patthebaker Male 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 8:12 pm
    just one question for josh please this is with the utmost respect.
    How do you Know there is a christian god?
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    xiquiripat Male 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 8:16 pm
    I`m almost 100% sure that Jesus (or Joshua ben Joseph to give his proper Hebrew name) was a buddhist. Just think about it, there`s a 30 year gap in his life where he could have taken a caravan to India, (really a stone`s throw away during the glory days of the roman empire) joined a monestary, and learn a little buddhist philosophy. He thinks its really neat so he goes back and changes it around to fit his native Judaism and voila christianity! If we look in the bible he uses parables all the time, just like the B-man, but he links it all back to the prophets of the old testament.
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    patthebaker Male 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 8:17 pm
    buhdism isnt really a religon more of a philosophy
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    Frogmaster13 Male 13-17
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    June 21, 2008 at 8:17 pm
    I still don`t understand how people still believe in religion...it`s 2008. Not the Stone Age. Open your eyes.

    The human race is pathetic.

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    kimosabi Female 13-17
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    June 21, 2008 at 8:17 pm
    someone go back up and click my link |-(
  424. Profile photo of patthebaker
    patthebaker Male 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 8:18 pm
    early buddhism anyway
  425. Profile photo of Josh2601
    Josh2601 Male 13-17
    97 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 8:18 pm
    How do I know there is a Christian God..... well, several reasons really. Okay.

    1. My father was diagnosed with a terminal illness, which was so far progressed, he could not be helped. I strong Christian friend of ours prayed over him and he was instantly well. The doctors couldn`t explain it.

    2. My right leg used to be longer than my left, screwing up my back and whatnot. I man prayed over me and I watched the right leg shrink to the size of the left.

    3. I have seen so many signs of God in my life. Healings and miracles. I just have so much to be thankful for to God.

    I hope that answers your question.

  426. Profile photo of 81267
    81267 Male 13-17
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    June 21, 2008 at 8:19 pm
    posting in long arguement
  427. Profile photo of Maromi
    Maromi Female 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 8:25 pm
    B-O-R-I-N-G!
  428. Profile photo of patthebaker
    patthebaker Male 18-29
    1768 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 8:25 pm
    But these reasons are really just coincedences praying didn`t help this poor kid. http://www.i-am-bored.com/bored_link.cfm...
    also if why does god bless some and not punish the others.
    There are innocent children with no chance of survival dieng from hunger and famine would`nt he rather help them with survival instead of another`s back pain.
  429. Profile photo of patthebaker
    patthebaker Male 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 8:26 pm
    Your reasons could just be coinccedences how can you be sure.
  430. Profile photo of xiquiripat
    xiquiripat Male 18-29
    2422 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 8:27 pm
    I would like to tell a parable that I heard in youth group. This woman came in and was telling about how she and her husband and another friend were out cutting trees along an ill-used road. But one of the trees fell on the husband and she related how she "prayed for God for help." And lo, there came a truck, the only truck they had seen all day! A miracle! Well, not exactly. It turns out he bled to death on the way. And here she is praising this "miracle" which not only failed to save her husband`s life, but filled her with so much false hope that she was devastated afterwards. Which leaves us with three conclusions:

    1. God exists, but is incompetent
    2. God exists, but is deranged
    3. There is no God

    Take your pick.

  431. Profile photo of Josh2601
    Josh2601 Male 13-17
    97 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 8:28 pm
    Ah, such good questions. I wonder these too. I don`t know why God chooses to bless some and not others. A big one is faith, the believing that God actually will help you. It is something most people lack. It is that doubt that God will not really pull through. Also, God is doing many things in Africa. My father recently went there and so did my mother. (dad to Kenya, mom to Sierra Leon) There they met with churches who had built food shelters and organization orphanages and people there are so happy with what they have. They have God, and that is all they need. "man shall not live on bread alone" as the bible says. God really is working there, though not in the way many people think of God working.
  432. Profile photo of habbazoot
    habbazoot
    2116 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 8:28 pm
    what a moron. by "sell everything", Jesus meant that you should be able to live your life with or without possesions; they should not affect you. And by "follow me", he meant follow his teachings, cause Jesus was not dumb and new people in 2000 years couldnt follow him. I didnt watch the rest cause i`m mad and its the same guy as the frickin amputee crap.
  433. Profile photo of davymid
    davymid Male 30-39
    12140 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 8:29 pm
    ^^ Josh,

    "Scenario 1.
    The man did terrible, horrifing nasty things, but if he truly realized the error of his ways and asked God genutilnly for forgiveness, he would recieve it, as God is abundant in love.

    Scenario 2:
    The muslum man can be the greatest, kindest man ever to walk the earth, but he would not go to heaven if he had not accepted the gift of salvation from Jesus."

    OK dude, fair enough. If I was President of the World, I would make sure the Child-Anal-Rapist suffered for all eternity, wheras you would grant him eternal bliss in heaven (assuming he repented, of course). I would also make sure the good Muslim had a damn good retirement.

    But in your twisted world, the child-f*cker would go to heaven wheras the otherwise good, "ignorant" Muslim would burn in hell for eternity.

  434. Profile photo of habbazoot
    habbazoot
    2116 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 8:30 pm
    and i hate all of this crap that gets put on IAB. Fancylad shouldn`t let this, or any other stuff trying to burn down religions, on IAB.
  435. Profile photo of patthebaker
    patthebaker Male 18-29
    1768 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 8:30 pm
    well ive said what i want im going to log off for now
  436. Profile photo of davymid
    davymid Male 30-39
    12140 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 8:32 pm
    ^^ And by the way, religion is f*cking Africa in the butt more than any kind of aid could ever do.
  437. Profile photo of Josh2601
    Josh2601 Male 13-17
    97 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 8:33 pm
    Hm... I don`t know about the truck story. Perhaps the truck was not from God. I do not know why God would do this. God provided a means to get him to the hospital, but perhaps even the transporation was not good enough. Also, was the woman praying over the man, calling for God`s healing upon him? Another thing, were they providing necessary medical help. God will help people, but that is no excuse for stupidity. (as with the story about the faith healing) People can be healed through faith, but still use medicine. I do not know why God would let him die. God is not involved in all things. Sometimes things just happen.
  438. Profile photo of Josh2601
    Josh2601 Male 13-17
    97 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 8:36 pm
    If the man was genuinely sorry you still wouldn`t offer him forgiveness That is why you are not God. He is perfect and will accept the apologies of man. Forgiveness is a terribly difficult thing. Something that few people are capable of. The man truly realized the error of what he had done, felt terribly for doing it, and is trying to be a better person, changing his life style. He knows he can never make up for what he has done, but still he tries to make at least a little good in the world, to maybe ease the magnitude of the guilt. If this man came to your door in tears, begging you for forgiveness, would you still through him to his death?
  439. Profile photo of davymid
    davymid Male 30-39
    12140 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 8:41 pm
    ^^ "If this man came to your door in tears, begging you for forgiveness, would you still through him to his death?"

    Not unless he was a ""

  440. Profile photo of Meh110
    Meh110 Male 13-17
    292 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 8:43 pm
    That was just awesome! XD
  441. Profile photo of theburford
    theburford Male 13-17
    117 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 8:44 pm
    Uhh, go Christians!

    By faith are ye saved. That`s (the) rule... if you have faith, great, if you don`t, the Bible says what happens. It wouldn`t be faith if there was undeniable proof for either side... oh, and read some of C.S. Lewis`s books on Christian apologetics. They`re really good.

  442. Profile photo of Josh2601
    Josh2601 Male 13-17
    97 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 8:47 pm
    Ah well. I had best be going to bed. Davymid, I really respect you, please don`t think that for one second I have anything but the utmost respect for you. I admire you firm standing in what you believe, or you ability to defend it well. You are a fun debate partner. ^_^. Well, until the next controversial post. Goodnight all.
  443. Profile photo of davymid
    davymid Male 30-39
    12140 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 8:47 pm
    OK Josh, your twisted "My God is better than your God, we`re getting into heaven and you`re not!" is the same old bullsh*t I`ve seen before.

    If this is your god, you`re welcome to him, because he`s a mysogynistic c*nt.

    Peace out, I`m going surfing (the real kind)

    davymid.

  444. Profile photo of davymid
    davymid Male 30-39
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    June 21, 2008 at 8:48 pm
    Josh, Mutual respect.
  445. Profile photo of turkeyman
    turkeyman Male 13-17
    379 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 8:50 pm
    we didnt need an 8 minute video to tell us god isnt real, havent we all grown to learn that? or are you guys still santa claus beleives too
  446. Profile photo of Josh2601
    Josh2601 Male 13-17
    97 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 8:52 pm
    Sorry, once again, night all... Just want an even 20 posts before bed. Otherwise, it will bug me, lol.
  447. Profile photo of touche
    touche Male 13-17
    58 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 9:06 pm
    Gee, These people need to take another english class and read a NORMAL bible, most of the passages they used are several pages away from each other, and most of the passages are either misunderstood (hard to understand old english translated from old greek) or missing a whole section. I really should stop posting on these kinds of things...modified rule 14.
  448. Profile photo of Chaouse
    Chaouse Male 13-17
    194 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 9:06 pm
    Josh wow your praying really paid off!!!!!! I shall now go pray to GOD for a coupon for 50% off a pass to enter heaven. Oh I`m sorry for sounding like this but if this was a word of mouth conversation i wouldn`t sound so a-hole-ish to you guys. You guys believe what you want but don`t go bible bashing at my house! Sarcasm is my middle name.
  449. Profile photo of touche
    touche Male 13-17
    58 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 9:12 pm
    Scratch rule 14. The reason God doesn`t do stuff in the world anymore is because you guys all hate and reject him, and he doesn`t do bad things, he lets them happen. That might make God seem a little unfair, but the Bible never said God was a cute teddy bear who grants all your wishes. God made the earth, God made people, He told them what to do, then he let them be, see what they did. You`re probably saying `Then he doesn`t do miracles for us?` I dunno, I can only answer to as much as I know, but it looks so. Religion is a VEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERY confusing thing and i speak for ALL of iab when i say DON`T BRING IT HERE TARDS!!!!!!
  450. Profile photo of krisley
    krisley Male 18-29
    525 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 9:12 pm
    this is for the ppl that say you can`t interpret the bible as half way literal, half way metaphorical. "It`s raining cats and dogs outside, and if this keeps up, we`ll have over an inch of rain by nightfall." Obviously some of this last sentence had to be taken metaphoricaly, or whatever the right word is. And as for the last post about this that said that the Old Testament laws were crazy... ummm... it was the OLD Testament. In the OLD Testament, Jesus hadn`t come to save humanity yet, and sin had to be punished more severely. Now that Jesus has come, sin can be forgiven, so it does not have to be dealt with so harshly. This doesn`t mean that once you believe that Jesus came here to save you, you have your fire insurance, and you can still hire that whore for your fun tonight. After you accept Jesus, the bible says to REPENT, as in, no more sinning...... just a thought........
  451. Profile photo of touche
    touche Male 13-17
    58 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 9:13 pm
    lol Ste08.............................................
  452. Profile photo of touche
    touche Male 13-17
    58 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 9:14 pm
    krisley, i just wanna make something clear with ur post. If you accept God then an hour later buy a hooker, did you really and truly accept God into your heart?
  453. Profile photo of insaneguy400
    insaneguy400 Male 13-17
    7 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 9:20 pm
    the problem with this is that the video focuses on instances based on experience for certain characters. just cause he told one man to sell all his possession doesnt mean it applies to all of us cause then the poor will become rich. anyways u have to focus on the morales jesus taught not direct quotes. also u can honor ur parents but still hate them (thanks family guy)
  454. Profile photo of davymid
    davymid Male 30-39
    12140 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 9:20 pm
    touche,

    By all means go and read your NORMAL Bible. Check out Genesis 1:26, where the original Hebrew tranlation of Elohim (plural: gods) was transliterated in the polytheistic sense. "Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness"

    It`s in your book, people, go look it up.

    Who is "Us"`, "Gods", "We"? I though God was a single omnipotent being, not Polytheistic?

    There is no such thing as a NORMAL bible, there`s just a multitude of transliterations of a collection of neolithic documents randomly pieced together from fragments of iron-age scrolls.

    Bible? Harry f*cking Potter has as much validity.

    But then, no-one`s murdering other humans in the name of Griffindor.

    At least, not yet.

  455. Profile photo of SpoonFork
    SpoonFork Male 30-39
    1265 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 9:22 pm
    godisimaginary.com

    I bet they aren`t biased and don`t have an agenda at all.

    I just think it`s silly to spend so much time on something you don`t believe in. Mommy didn`t love them enough.

  456. Profile photo of wtfstoner55
    wtfstoner55 Male 13-17
    167 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 9:27 pm
    ....ok, I`m atheist, and occasionally push my beliefs on people inappropriately, but this video is not a good example of smart atheism... this is some guy trying to go "look I`m smart for hating christians!"
  457. Profile photo of patthebaker
    patthebaker Male 18-29
    1768 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 9:29 pm
    spoon fork everything has a agenda even IAB does {cure boredom}
  458. Profile photo of schfifty
    schfifty Male 13-17
    3 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 9:37 pm
    If THIS man had any intelligence, he would not be misinterpreting verses of the bible. How did people get to heaven before Jesus died and was resurrected? Faith. How do people get to heaven now? Faith. Before the death of christ, people sacrificed animals as a symbol of faith. Now, you repent your sins through faith. You can do this through only one being. That is God. If you put all of Jesus` teachings together they equal one thing. Faith. It all adds up but a lot of people look too deep into it and miss the bigger picture. The Bible does not contradict itself. Don`t attempt to make it look like it does. God bless.
  459. Profile photo of maceizballin
    maceizballin Male 13-17
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    June 21, 2008 at 9:47 pm
    HOW NOT TO GET INTO HEAVEN:
    make a video claiming that heaven is imaginary
    :|
    lol
  460. Profile photo of girlsn0tgrey
    girlsn0tgrey Male 18-29
    95 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 9:49 pm
    -_-
    Wow...everyone just be happy with the religion you are...
  461. Profile photo of Mrface5
    Mrface5 Male 18-29
    152 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 9:58 pm
    Wow Davymid you`re about as bad as the guy who made this video. In the bible it clearly states that there were three gods, well not really but god was three people god the father, god the son, and god the holy ghost(or spirit). Read the bible`s FULL context before you go making stupid comments.
  462. Profile photo of The_Maddog
    The_Maddog Male 30-39
    3369 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 10:00 pm
    What a bunch of morons are posting in this thread.
    Really..lets look at the most recent one..schfifty.
    Prime example of stupid!People get into heaven with faith!
    Right..You cant prove and I cant disprove heaven, hell, god etc etc. I know this, you know this.
    dont offer up an answer as if its a fact when it`s faith. the video is one of many from an obvious christian to atheist convert who finds what the bible preaches in many parts both hypocritical, stupid and disgusting. His words, not mine, though I agree with him. Some parts are disgusting and like it or not christians ARE hypocritical about this. This is what the author points out (but not in a good way).Some parts, however are a good moral foundation for a civilisation and humanity in general. This, I can not dispute, but when read in whole, the thing just seems twisted.
    Its easy to say he`s blowing it out of context, or it`s metaphorical and not to be taken litterally etc etc.
    >>
  463. Profile photo of Demonplaya
    Demonplaya Male 13-17
    66 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 10:01 pm
    Ok the guy who is speaking this is *ucking retarded. "you have to eat flesh and drink blood to get into heaven"
    DUDE YOU DONT HAVE TO BE A FREAKING cannibal to get into heaven.
    The speaker is really pissing me off with all his God is imaginary crap
  464. Profile photo of The_Maddog
    The_Maddog Male 30-39
    3369 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 10:04 pm
    >>Well the fact is, it cant be true and metephorical at the same time. Every argument I`ve seen to support ANY religion is purely faith based. I`ve not once in my life seen ANY evidence that makes me think any religion is true. thats not to say science is allways right, but it at least has some physical evidence to support it`s many diffrent theorys on life the universe and everything.

    To sum it it, prove the bible is right (after reading it in full) and I`ll sell everything I own right now and join you on spreading the word. Till then, just suck it up and accept when your talking faith you dont have much of an argument if all you can present is a story!


  465. Profile photo of The_Maddog
    The_Maddog Male 30-39
    3369 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 10:05 pm
    Wow..in hindsight I`m saying this to a bunch of American kids who obviously get their religion off TV preachers.

    Go read your damn bible then come back and bitch please!

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    stevo3210 Male 18-29
    63 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 10:13 pm
    This man does not mention any explinations to those steps found in the Bible. Jesus had the same problem with the Saducees(mispelled, I know). Jesus told them,"your problem is that you do not really understand the scriptures."

    This man also fails to mention the history of of the Jews, which they have passed to each generation.

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    Bull07 Male 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 10:19 pm
    I don`t believe a word this idiot says; the Bible as it stands is an INTERPRATION of God`s "rules" nothing more,man has written it and "translated" it; therefore since man isn`t perfect the Bible in it`s current written format is not correct anyway.
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    krisley Male 18-29
    525 posts
    June 21, 2008 at 10:26 pm
    Touche, very good point about the hooker thing. The_Maddog, i doubt watch preacher tv, i don`t even go to chruch. I read the BIBLE. I don`t listen to some preacher that will probably lie to me to tell me what to do.
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    chikoori Female 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 10:39 pm
    Reading these comments makes me weep for humanity.
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    ledjj Male 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 10:40 pm
    There are two things wrong with this- he misreads some things, and the much bigger thing: he fails to take into account that all the stories about Jesus were written by normal people a few hundred years after his death.

    Fail.

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    White_Wolfos Female 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 10:41 pm
    Okay, I`m not gonna watch the whole thing, or read all the comments, I just wanna know why, athiests.
    Why, if God is such a ridiculous idea, do you go to such great lengths to disprove his existence?
    So God doesn`t exist?
    Okay, we get the idea.
    Who are you trying to convince by making these videos, anyway?
    And why do you care if someone believes in God or not?
    The idea of a God pleases some people. What does it matter if it`s real or not? As long as it makes them happy, who cares?
    Honestly, I want to know, what do you think convincing people that there is no God is going to do? Seriously. If somebody could tell me, I`d really appreciate it. If this has already been answered, I apologize.
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    Kisato Female 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 10:58 pm
    Uugghhh I hate these religious links because everyone gets into fights over them. It wouldn`t be so annoying if I didn`t have a strange habit of reading all the comments... If people want to believe in god, let them. If people don`t want to believe in god, let them as well because there is no harm in believing in god or not.
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    anciemelodie Male 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 11:12 pm
    The bible says hate not.... If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.
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    jetmark Male 30-39
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    June 21, 2008 at 11:27 pm
    smug delivery.
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    Legion5 Male 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 11:39 pm
    **************************************************************

    this post has way too many comments. I`m not going to take on the bullpoo.

    However this guy is CLEARLY an idiot. Keep in mind I`m some one who routinely writes about how people who try to disprove evolution are wrong and uneducated. This guy is equally an idiot:

    Step 2:idiot, he was telling that ONE guy to be selfless! That is what that one guy had to do. Because of the way that one guy lived his life. The message is to be selfless.

    god was in conversation, he was in the scope of conversaton he did the "perfect" thing in the scope of his situation which is the point of god, not to always make rules.

    Step 3: disciple refers to his student not heaven go-ers. You don`t have to be detached from the world to go to heaven, just to be a disciple.

    Step 4: not even going to tackle "you have to eat real flesh and blood to get into heaven".

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    Legion5 Male 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 11:42 pm
    Step 5: The word "like" is used in the teaching so it cannot be used in argument out of context and is clearly irrelevant.

    Step 6: He said YOU YOU YOU nicodious do not know where the wind commes from, not WE WE WE do not know where the wind commes from, science knows where the wind commes from but this is reffering to nicodious. Also this is clearly reffering to baptism as a marker of accepting jesus christ which jesus repeatedly covers and goes over. to say it makes "no sense" is ridiculous.

    Step 7: This is taken out of context but Jesus said that if you willfully break one of the laws of the old testamen AND do tell others to do so directly then only if you are better then the `phraisies` will you get into heaven. He said this to not insult the jews and overrule their torah, he said that the torah was still good and to not insult it, not that you have to follow its laws.

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    patthebaker Male 18-29
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    June 21, 2008 at 11:57 pm
    White Wolfos the reason athiests try to disprove religon is to stop religon from all of the hate, pain and destruction that has come from it.
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    i-am-emo Female 70 & Over
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    June 21, 2008 at 11:58 pm
    stept two: "sell everything and you will have have treasures in heaven" not you will GET into heaven. keep in mind that its not like the man followed the commandments, died, was rejected from heaven, came back to life then asked him again, its not like following the commandments didnt WORK if you know what im saying. noting which commandments he has followed doesnt make much of a difference
  479. Profile photo of i-am-emo
    i-am-emo Female 70 & Over
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    June 21, 2008 at 11:59 pm
    i am most certainly NOT a christian but bullsh*t like this pisses me off
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    i-am-emo Female 70 & Over
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    June 22, 2008 at 12:01 am
    step three: you cannot be his DISCIPLE. No where does it say you cant get into heaven. I dont think this guy knows what a disciple is.
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    i-am-emo Female 70 & Over
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    June 22, 2008 at 12:05 am
    step 3`s out of context, step 4`s out of context. the whole bloody things out of context. this is exactly the same bullsh*t as last time.
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    Apple_18 Female 18-29
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    June 22, 2008 at 12:06 am
    ....is the Great Debate over?

  483. Profile photo of i-am-emo
    i-am-emo Female 70 & Over
    1264 posts
    June 22, 2008 at 12:16 am
    "....is the Great Debate over?

    if it were over what could we possibly move onto. This IS the forum for the `proof that no one can get into heaven video`is it not? The point of a comments page is to discus the video is it not?

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    Morbeh Female 18-29
    179 posts
    June 22, 2008 at 12:28 am
    Hmm.. Paganism please. Kthxbye.
  485. Profile photo of Lathyris
    Lathyris Male 18-29
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    June 22, 2008 at 12:32 am
    The bible was written by humans. Not Jesus. Not God. The bible is flawed, because humans are flawed. Humans have translated it over and over, and many ruling parties have had access to what gets translated. The faith still has the right general idea... you just have to be careful what you listen to, what you interpret, and what you follow.
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    Zynenu Female 13-17
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    June 22, 2008 at 12:33 am
    haha i was going to leave a comment saying how much i think this guy is wrong, and im really glad that most of the comments have my idea.. its sad when people try to tell people that their religion that give them hope and love is a load of BS is really mean... who cares if people believe in God its not like it can do them harm... and to whoever thinks that people should stop believing in religion should shut up and stop making the world even more depressing...
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    Calibur15 Male 18-29
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    June 22, 2008 at 12:34 am
    This is crazy, im agnostic, and all i say, is drat all the people who create these things...

    LET PEOPLE THINK WHATEVER THEY WANT TO MAKE THEM FEEL SECURE ABOUT LIVING ON THE PLANET AND ALLOW THEM TO DO IT TO THE FULLEST. IF YOU BELIEVE GOD IS A SCAM, SO BE IT, IF YOU THINK HES THE poo AND WILL SAVE US ALL SO BE IT. DON`T GO BEING A roosterY ASS HAT AND SPAM YOUR IDEAS ON THE INTERNET.

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    Calibur15 Male 18-29
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    June 22, 2008 at 12:35 am
    And right on Lathyris
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    Calibur15 Male 18-29
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    June 22, 2008 at 12:36 am
    and right on Zynenu
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    jojoabobo Female 18-29
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    June 22, 2008 at 12:40 am
    oh! guess i dont understand because im not "normal" or "intelligent" or even an "adult" so yea... FAIL! :)
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    jojoabobo Female 18-29
    278 posts
    June 22, 2008 at 12:44 am
    ok i take back the intelligent part, lol. im half athiest(half catholic) but this is just crap!
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    Jadesy Female 18-29
    154 posts
    June 22, 2008 at 12:44 am
    Holy mother of macaroni, twenty pages D: Well. All I have to say is...this guy is Deeb, his voice is annoying, and he takes things waaay too seriously.
  493. Profile photo of paramecium
    paramecium Female 18-29
    268 posts
    June 22, 2008 at 1:24 am
    Funny how a lot of normal intelligent adults still believe in some religion.

    I don`t believe in god myself, and for a few of those reasons listed, but I could put myself in a christians shoes (as im former christian) and reasonably argue some of those points. I point out only some. He was dead on with the other points.

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    paramecium Female 18-29
    268 posts
    June 22, 2008 at 1:25 am
    jojoabobo: How is someone half atheist and half catholic?
  495. Profile photo of paramecium
    paramecium Female 18-29
    268 posts
    June 22, 2008 at 1:27 am
    Zynenu: We have a right to free speech. If they can preach their crap, on live TV etc, we can tell them why we disagree. If they can`t take it then they shouldn`t preach.
  496. Profile photo of D_Fishbait
    D_Fishbait Male 18-29
    136 posts
    June 22, 2008 at 1:56 am
    ok, i know my post will be drowned out in the frivolous debate, and i`m sure someone will gave said this already (sorry, not willing to read through 20 pages of "you`re wrong" "no YOU`RE wrong"), but this guy discredited himself in the second step...
    he is saying that jesus is telling everyone to sell everything they have, where he was really only telling that one man to do so....
    and as i listen to the rest of the video, i realize how desperate this man must be to prove his point. he is twisting jesus` words past ANYONE i`ve ever heard...

    and i thought right wing nut jobs took the bible too literally... this guy goes to prove jesus right when he talked about those with closed hearts not understanding his words...

    oh, and on a more lighthearted sidenote... no "normal intelligent person" would use the same phrase to describe every point, rather than coming up with more diverse adjectives.

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    MikeyNiv Male 18-29
    697 posts
    June 22, 2008 at 2:27 am
    I thought that God knows nobody can ever do these things, which is a sin, which is why Jesus died on the cross, to take those sins away from everyone making them able to go to heaven. Jesus just said all this before he took their sin.
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    handsomefag Male 18-29
    294 posts
    June 22, 2008 at 2:37 am
    this video is bullpoo, and so is the people who defend their religion. cant everyone just do their own stuff, believe whatever they want, and stop trying to convert or unconvert others?

    For the record, I do believe in an almighty power.

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    Pepechooboo Male 13-17
    60 posts
    June 22, 2008 at 2:48 am
    Who cares? You dont needa listen to this guy. Why do people act as if they absolutely have to prove him wrong? If I say its 2005 is everyone gonna start a vehement argument with me or just be like `k. whatever.`
    Seems to me that anyone with this strong of opinions has weakness in their beliefs both the guy in the video and the ppl trying to prove its wrong.
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    cleminem9919 Male 13-17
    383 posts
    June 22, 2008 at 3:23 am
    the bible is flawed. thats it. i dont think it would be if it was written before jesus died, and by someone who knew him. the truth is, is it was writed about 30 years after jesus died. and, it was just based on what one person heard about him, and didnt personaly know him. but everyone, plz stop calling everyone elses religion wrong, and be religiously tolerant. just because you believe something else, it doesnt make you "all knowing" and other people dumbasses.
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    MrMarcin Male 18-29
    13 posts
    June 22, 2008 at 3:33 am
    He`s such an idiot. I can`t describe. Even though he might have some points, he effectively dumps them by being an arrogant douche with a superiority complex. What a dork.
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    happyshopper Male 18-29
    292 posts
    June 22, 2008 at 3:48 am
    meh, i don`t believe in religion, the bible is of course the word of MAN not GOD.

    that doesn`t mean people shouldn`t believe but if you do then why deny this so much, it is not lies. just choose to interprit it differentley, i mean hey that is the best bit of the bible you can get it to say whatever you like if you just pick through it carefully enough

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    rebetikas Male 30-39
    213 posts
    June 22, 2008 at 4:15 am
    The guy who made this video doesn`t know what a metaphor is.
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    i-am-emo Female 70 & Over
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    June 22, 2008 at 4:15 am
    "i-am-emo, what are you 15? you sound fifteen. I dont like to talk to 15 yr olds. shh."

    Very fifteen. Very fifteen indeed. Couldn`t be more fifteen if i tried.

  505. Profile photo of minitimm
    minitimm Male 18-29
    82 posts
    June 22, 2008 at 4:34 am
    I did not watch/read the post. If you atheists would spend half the time studying than you do trying to disprove, you would have a better life.
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    The_Maddog Male 30-39
    3369 posts
    June 22, 2008 at 4:39 am
    ^^
    Touche..and if you spent half your time reading that "Beginners book to deluding yourself" you might have half a brain. Studying the bible dosnt give you a better life moron!
    Ohh..I have MS..I`ll read the bible..yaaay I`m cured!

    Seriously..what a dumb ass thing to say minitimm!

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    crazymagemia Female 18-29
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    June 22, 2008 at 4:42 am
    *wooooooooooooooooooooo*
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    GeN_Ex Male 13-17
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    June 22, 2008 at 4:59 am
    `i better not here anyone say this is true because its not im not going to even open the post and other believers should do the same`

    This right here is a typical example of how some people just won`t give others a chance. They just clap their hands over their ears and shut their eyes. It`s easy to preach, but god forbid anyone have their own views.

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    GeN_Ex Male 13-17
    276 posts
    June 22, 2008 at 5:02 am
    Logic can be used to prove just about any reasonable or sensible question posed by anyone, yet the bible can prove nothing. You might as well whip out any random book and start your argument with: `The cat in the hat says...`
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    cssasukerulz Male 18-29
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    June 22, 2008 at 6:08 am
    makes perfect sence...... :-| .....perfect sence.
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    June 22, 2008 at 6:15 am
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    REBELComx Male 18-29
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    June 22, 2008 at 6:27 am
    This conversation is too long and boring. NO one is getting anywhere.

    So I`ll just sit here and drool over Tachyon`s picture...
    Hot european gay boy...yummy.

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    June 22, 2008 at 6:31 am
    BiBlE n00bZoRz !!!!!!
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