The Creationist View

Submitted by: gorgokid333 9 years ago in Science

The great debate is over...so says the person who made this video.
There are 291 comments:
Male 53
i like the hitler quote. because clearly thats not what clergy has been doing for 1000s of years
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Female 2
this person has obviously never heard of plate tectonics... or erosion... or how fossils form... or geology in that matter and btw we evolved from monkeys, our closest relative is the bonobo monkey, not ape but i respect his beliefs i just wish he would lay off the smart people... i mean scientists
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Female 648
www.godandscience.org/answers
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Male 1
ok so the thing is your wrong just wrong the only point u got completely correct u religious intolerant asswipe is that evolution is not a proved science and is only a theory. normally i dont comment however u pissed me off i will only rant on one issue because it is controversial. to say Africanus(sp) did not walk upright is ridiculous they lived in high grass savannah they only reason they survived is because they could stand. it is fact however that they did not always walk upright and as a casual stance would retain ape like walking positions. they were also still partially arboreal they needed to stay in trees for shelter. ur ignorant creationism is a retarded philosophy it makes no sense. basic example dinosaurs
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Male 335
@ davymid - Thanks.

About the pic: I`m actually not sure if it`s shopped. It`s commonly called "Serious Cat" because of the look on its face. If you go on Google Images you can find pics with captions like "I are Serious Cat." There`s also a demotivator that says "Serious Cat: He`s drating serious."

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Male 731
cant even bother to finish.. no comment.. fight on, friends
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Male 12,138
^^ Mjustin,

Agree with your points, well made. Happiest days of my life were back when I believed in Santa.

But off topic, is that cat in your pic photoshopped? Because if not it`s the ugliest c*nting animal I was ever unfortunate enough to have laid eyes on.

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Male 335
@ pinkie05 - It doesn`t matter what makes you happy. Some of us actually care whether our beliefs are true. If reality turns out to be incredibly depressing, too bad; your feelings have no bearing on the truth.
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Male 335
@ mhmm1876 -
1) Yes and no. The universe developing exactly this way was mostly chance. Evolution happening exactly as it did was partly chance (due to random mutations). Evolution happening at all, however, is inevitable (i.e. not chance).
2) It wasn`t an explosion like you`re thinking of. It was a rapid expansion of space and matter. Also, the Big Bang didn`t initially create everything you see today. The universe was originally just a lot of radiation and subatomic particles. Atoms (mostly hydrogen) formed after about 380,000 years.
3) Sort of. We share a common ancestor with today`s phytoplankton, which might have just been another type of phytoplankton.
4) Yes.
5) How does morbidity make a theory less valid, and how is it counter-factual?

Please: Google next time.

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Female 114
omglmao borrrrring. its no big deal anymore. everyone has a different point of view. you think your way is right and others think their way is right blah blah blah. believe whatever makes you happy and drop the "debate."
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Female 121
you`d think the music woulden`t have to be so ominous
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Male 10,440
ValeX > nice argument. I haven`t thought of it that way before. I hope you read this at some point and know about my support.
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Female 111
i got about 3 slides into it and died of bordom...
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Female 160
ROTFLMAO! This is just what I needed for a good laugh. Thanks IAB!!
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Female 2
Wow.
So, we are all here by sheer chance.
We got here by an explosion that gave us air, atoms, water, and other matter.
We came from phytoplankton which, doesn`t even breathe, much less think or walk.
We all die on this miserable planet and become the fertilizer for the earth.
What a twisted thought process that is not only incredibly morbid, but also counterfactual.
Ask your little brother what happens when something explodes and even he can verify that it will not produce a tree.
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Male 27
And yes, an all-powerful and all-knowing ANYTHING is impossible. To know everything means you know the events of the future. And the be all-powerful means you can change anything. You cannot change events to which you know, however, because that leaves a paradox of the knowing of the change. (this also, by the way, simultaneously destroys the idea of free will)

And if there is no free will, god plays a cruel joke with eternal damnation, does he not? If he knows before you`re even conceived that you will sin and go to hell, what free will do you have?

Not to mention the irony of the idea that we were created in gods image. If I build a desk, and it breaks.. Do I blame the desk? No, I blame myself, the creator. How could a god judge a design in which he himself made. If we give in to our weaknesses of sin, and go to hell, it can only be attributed to the designer for not making us strong enough to go against it.

I mean, do people even logically think in what they believe?

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Male 27
I agree with the poster above. To think he`s a 13-17 year old male amazes me, however!

He`s right, though. History has shown that the `you believe what you want and I`ll believe what I want` idea just doesn`t work. It`s one of the foundations of most modern religions, `push your view on others`. I`m not saying that there are not open minded christians that mind their own business, but religion still tends to be a driving force behind political agendas.

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Male 928
Dragonlord, here`s why that will never work. As long as people believe eternal salvation is at stake for them and their loved ones, they are going to do some pretty batpoo crazy things to get it. Like try to have creationism taught in schools, or keep gay marriage illegal, or blow up Jews, or not vote for an atheist because they think he lacks moral guidance from a divine power. So we`re all dragged into it whether we like it or not. If it didn`t affect me and others, I wouldn`t bother. There is too much at stake to ignore fundamentalist religion. And religious people believe there is too much at stake to ignore atheists.
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Male 928
To supplement what ValeX said, the gaps in the fossil record indicate no flaw in the theory: since the conditions under which fossils are formed are quite rare, there are probably thousands of species that have gone extinct without leaving behind a single fossil. We will never find evidence that they even existed. But the fossils we DO have point towards evolution, since progressively moderner species are found in higher strata, and they are never found in the same strata as their evolutionary ancestors.
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Male 928
Well we all know that an all powerful or perfect being is impossible because of various paradoxes, so we can pretty much rule that one out, lathyris.
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Male 27
It`s fairly naive to argue against evolution. Evolution is purely statistics. It`s a number game, and simulations can easily be set up for evolution.

The only arguable (and slight at that) topic is if we evolved from a lower lifeform. Again, I find it somewhat naive to know that evolution works, see proof along the line that we have evolved from another species, and yet try to argue that it`s just coincidence, and that some `creator` made us instead.

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Male 27
Lastly, any `gap` in evolution is NOT evidence for creation, as this author states. Richard Dawkins lays it out nicely in `the god delusion`. Just because a scientific theory has `gaps`, doesn`t disprove the theory at all. And it CERTAINLY doesn`t support an alternate theory. Science is built on building blocks, and there WILL be gaps in ANY theory. Science is a process to fill in those gaps.

It is a logical fallacy to interpret a gap in a theory as a supporting argument for a completely unrelated theory such as creationism.

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Male 27
I didn`t read the other messages, but this video is simply rubbish.

First off, neo-darwanist weren`t the first to add the `mutation`, darwin added that himself in origin of the species.

Secondly, mutations are not always destructive. Mutations in a HIGHLY EVOLVED creature are usually destructive due to the fact that the creature is already highly evolved. There are not many creatures in this world that are not highly evolved, so we don`t see a positive mutation very often.

However, evolution begins very rapidly, because at such a low evolutionary stage, almost every mutation is a positive one.

Also, I would argue that even if one in a million mutations were positive, evolution would still work perfectly. The 999,999 would not survive as well as the status quo, and the 1 would survive better, meaning evolution still works.


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Male 734
I think I have the solution to all of our problems here. The end-all for this ridiculous debate. Here it is:

Everybody shut the fück up and go worship your gods (or lack thereof) in your own spare time. And for fück`s sake, don`t drag everybody else into it.

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Male 193
At least post a clip of a Creationist with prestige! What`s up with these crappy, home-made videos from christian rednecks.
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Male 1,265
Soooooo where did this all-powerful being come from?
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Male 65
Ehh, why does it have to be one or the other? Why doesn`t it make sense that an all-powerful being is experimenting? That would explain the odd, slow mutations and transitions, wouldn`t it? And an all-powerful being still created it all. Everyone wins, eh? Think about it.
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Male 4,246
"Evolutionists fail. Atheists fail."

Whatever helps you sleep at night, anglefan.

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Male 1,265
lol davymid, careful, I might copyright it and charge you :P
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Male 397
boo
too long
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Male 777
I don`t want to get into the debate; all I want to say is that the person who made this video was an idiotic propagandist with an amazing ability to connect unrelated facts and call it "logic."
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Male 150
wow, this is really stupid, one for the continous debate of religion vs. science, two for the fact i don`t think this guy ever took biology and would realize that yes about 99.99999999% of all mutations are indeed no way helpful, but do occur atleast once in every 10,000 cells, and thirdly if he had done a differnt format, i`m saying i can`t read but just don`t do it all in video, if your going to make someone read write it out so someone doesn`t have to follow it for 9 min straight
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Male 2,553
derangedingo

Have you "every" taken 9th grade Biology?

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Male 810
I feel stupider for watching this.

sorry for triple post.

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Male 810
I DECLARE EPIC FAIL

This guy thinks he`s smart because he quotes smart people and says big words.

I`m pretty sure he fails at understanding basic logic though.

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Male 810
This is really, really retarded.

Evolution and Natural Selection can create new organs and genetic information.... has this person every taken 9th grade Biology?

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Male 12,138
KMeTG, I never got the chance to thank you for enriching my life with the most f*cking awesome quote ever, which I have used many times since to describe fundies. Original post here

"Mouth-Breathing God-Bummers". Don`t ask to explain why I think it`s just great, if I analyse it too much the magic of it may sublimate.

Shakespeare wouldn`t be in it. I love it.

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Male 1,265
I must confess, Squover seemed to me to be in two minds over the whole thing. Like they weren`t completely sure which side to take.

I don`t mind people disagreeing with evolution so much as people being drating FUNDIES!!!

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Male 12,138
^^ Playing chess with pigeons mate. They`ve already gone back to the flock. I hope I managed to keep most of the crap off the board though.
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Male 1,265
Even Goddamned lions know about evolution. When an old male, the head of the pride, is defeated in battle against another lion, the younger, fitter, better lion will kill the old lion`s cubs. This makes sure that any and all future cubs will be his, most of whom will have whatever genetic benefit that allows the new lion to be the best.
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Male 1,265
Squover:

Ever been on antibiotics? I have, I was on a two-week course of them for an infection. After 3 days the infection had cleared up, with no symptoms, yet I still had to take them for 2 weeks afterwards.

Why?

Natural selection. With antibiotics, it`s assumed that some of the bacteria may have some resistance to the stuff. If this were the case with me, and had I stopped after 3 days, it`s possible some resistant bacteria would have repopulated and then I`d be in trouble, as all the bacteria would now be resistant.

Natural selection is the very essence of evolution; it`s the primary driving force. Pushing individuals in a population to be the strongest they can, to fight for their lives to ensure there is a next generation, all of whom will be just as strong. More to follow...

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Male 80
Evolutionists fail. Atheists fail.
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Male 1,078
wow,
i wish there was audio because im not reading all that.
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Female 4,225
Well, sorry mate. G2g
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Male 12,138
Anyway, where the hell`s Overmann? Leaving me to fight off these headbangers on my own...
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Female 4,225
Thanks davy. Not the same one, but pretty much what I`m trying to say
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Female 4,225

Eventually, the hole will dissapear.

Furthurmore, not the vestigial fins on the modern whale.

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Male 12,138
Turnshroud, I believe you`re probably refering to this one.

From Ernst Haeckel, Anthropogenie AKA The Evolution of Man, 1874. The diagram shows embryonic to foetal development in 8 different species, from top to bottom in each case.

Anyway, whatever, all the creationists have gone away and hid (as usual) when they`re confronted with science, facts, and someone who (just maybe) knows what they`re talking about.

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Female 4,225

Somehow driven to the sea

Damn, there was a pic in my biology book, it showed the sililarities between different animals as embyioes. Embrionic somthing...

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Male 12,138

Just another quickie, Horse Evolution this time (From McFadden, Bruce (2005) “Fossil Horses - Evidence of Evolution.” Science, 307(5716):1728-1730.

No transitional forms my bollocks.

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Female 4,225
davy, don`t forget that lobe finned fish that was thought exinct and apparently is still alive, perfect example
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Female 4,225
Manmord...please, make like a tree and leave. Scaddale, Au voir, smell ya later. Catch ya later. Good bye. Tootles. Tootle lu. JUST GET THE HELL OUT OF THIS ROOM!

We are in the middle off a discussion about evolution and creationism, not god...though the argument is breaking up right about now, and would apreciate it if you would stop posting in this particuler forum debate

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Male 12,138
@squover "Where are the transition species?" (Ah, the oldest card in the creationist book).
There are hundreds of transitional forms. There are 7 alone just between reptiles and mammals: Procynosuchus, Thrinaxodon, Cynognathus, Diademodon, Probelesodon, Probainognathus, and Kayentatherium. So far.

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Male 12,138
manorrd, this is a debate on science, not the existence of God.

As my dear mother used to say, "If you don`t have anything constructive to say, then shut the f*ck up"

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Male 2,372
"No there isn`t"

"Yes there is"

"No there isn`t"

"Yes ther is....."

As the saying goes, "Arguing on the Internet is like running in the Special Olympics. Even if you win, you`re still a retard." :-D:-D:-D

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Male 4
Turnshroud,

In places where malaria is an issue the proportion of the population with sickle cell anaemia is far higher than other places because the people in whom it occurs are more likely to survive and go on to reproduce.

It`s a recessive genetic trait and so requires both parents to be carriers in order to have a chance of manifesting.

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Female 4,225
^Isn`t that only in africa?
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Male 335
@ squover - EVERYTHING is transitional. Humans will continue to evolve, just as other species will. However, if you`re looking for more blatant transitions, look up "Archaeopteryx" and "Tiktaalik."

Beneficial mutation: Sickle Cell Anemia. It makes you resistant to Malaria.

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Female 4,225
Hmm, then I wonder what I`m thinking of.

Maybe the talking organatan in Micheal Crichton`s Next? Probably not. ...

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Female 80
I love a religious debate as much as the next person but this is way too much reading.
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Male 335
@ Turnshroud - Actually, we`re closest to Chimpanzees. We share 98.5% of our DNA with them.
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Male 5
squover, may I point you to "Staphylococcus aureus"? Look it up.
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Male 335
@ manorrd - The Internet is huge; no one is forcing you to come here. If you don`t like the topic, the shut the hell up and go away. The rest of us will argue because we actually care whether what we believe is true.

And to other people, this is a serious question: would you rather live with Christian Fundamentalism forcing its way into your society (America) or Islamic Fundamentalism doing the same (Europe or just the UK, I can`t remember). Also, is there a good chance the Islamic fundies can be stopped in this lifetime? I ask this as an honest question because I want to know if I have somewhere to go when the fundies are allowed to reposess Atheists` citizenship.

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Male 658
You should never say that you definitely won an argument until the argument is entirely over. His argument in the first few seconds said that life can`t come from non-living material because we can`t recreate it, but isn`t that kind of proving that intelligent beings can`t create life in that way?
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Female 4,225
And actually, aren`t we closer to the orangatang? I forget.

But yes, your understanding is poor. Someone should make a vidio to explain things more clearly

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Male 4
"i think that a lack of evidence for evolution does disprove it"

That is a poor attitude to take towards a scientific debate, theories are not disproved by a lack of evidence for them, but by evidence which contradicts them.

There are a number of good arguments in the video, especially the fossil record is problematic. However despite the clearly extensive research the video does show flaws in the author`s understand of mutation.

A counter-argument of `that doesn`t sound likely` is utterly redundant because it does nothing to disprove a theory.

From a scientific point of view there is a considerable amount of strong evidence for evolution.

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Male 12,138
"to evolve an ape to a human, PROVE IT!"

Unfortunately, your challenge betrays your lack of understanding of evolutionary theory, which puts you in rather a poor position squover. At least try to understand a scientific subject before you refute it.

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Male 5
and this is not a religious debate, its scientific
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Male 5
this is genius, i think that a lack of evidence for evolution does disprove it. Without proof it happened, why should we believed it? Where are the transition species? Where has there been a helpful mutation. Can anyone answer these questions? THis guy didnt have to do this, he doesnt have to prove the negative, evolutionists, you prove that it happened with scientific evidence. and with science these days, you evolutionists and your scientists should be able to make mutation happen to evolve an ape to a human, PROVE IT!
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Male 5
hawkeye52, yes. If people do not embrace the sciences, we`ll remain stuck in the Spanish Inquisitions.

We need to work to unite humanity to better our meaning, to continue it as long as possible before we go extinct. Archive knowledge, explore.

If we just keep shunning science in favor or archaic stories, we`ll just burn up with the earth.

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Male 4
The experiment that was referred to is actually strong evidence for abiogenesis. It is estimated to have taken approximately 100 million years for said process to take place and if the experiment was able to produce even half of the required chemicals in the relatively minor amount of time it is not inconceivable that over so long a period the correct conditions could have occurred.

Sickle cell anaemia happens to an extremely advantageous adaptation, if you happen to have to live in an area where malaria is an issue. Therefore it is an example of adapting to the environment and is in support of evolution.

It is true that statistically almost all mutations will result in a negative outcome, this does not mean that they cannot be positive.

No organ in existence has been proven to have irreducible complexity, of course removing bits of existing organs will prevent them from functioning, that does not mean the organ could not have evolved over time.

Fossil evidence is lacking howev

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Male 5
Well, the topic of evolution is a bit better. And it does cure my boredom. But instead of being in a good, entertained mood, I just get frustrated at all the people who remain ignorant and keep sticking to their pseudosciences.

The peanut butter one was entertaining, however. THAT level of ignorance is just amusing.

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Male 60
Why does it matter if someone believes what you don`t. Religious or not, does it really matter?
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Male 2,372
^^Exactly.

Plus, this stupid topic keeps re-surfacing on I Am Bored over and over and over again.

Talk about boring! :-P

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Male 5
manorrd, the exact reason I gave up on trying to argue the fact there`s no god. It`s not falsifiable, I`m not gonna get into their skulls. And they`re not gonna get into mine.
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Male 2,372
Aww...does my post *bother* you davyboy?
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Male 12,138
manorrd,

Shut up. No-one`s talking to you.

Fúcktard.

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Male 2,372
Hey, fúcktards. I`ve got a great idea!

Let`s debate the existence of God, or not, on an Internet forum.

I`ll start.

"There is a God"

"No there isn`t"

"Yes there is......"

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Female 4,225
Unfortunetly, when it comes to somthings, America becomes somthing like a monarchial medievil england...or europe as a whole
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Male 5
:( Sadly, I have to say it is an American issue. The nation seems to be sliding right through my fingers..

Anyways, we as humans must unite behind the sciences, religious or not, and pave our specie`s path to achievement.
Religion seems to instill ignorance, often even a hate, within people to science.
Evolution is just one small part within the whole problem of ignorance.
It also lies within politics, philosophy, morality, humility, humanity. The list goes on.

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Male 12,138
"Do the Europeans on here have this problem in their countries? It`s craziness."

To answer your question boredfjord, no we don`t. I`m afraid it`s a purely American phenomenon.

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Male 17
turnshroud. awesome speech.

i have no problem with the creator of this movie`s ignorance, but what pisses me off is that people will simply believe what they hear without checking the facts.
i believe it was hitler who said:

If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed.

he was an as.shole, an egomaniac, a racist and after stalin possibly the very worst person to ever have existed, but when it comes to propaganda, government, and the psyche of man he was spot on.

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Male 3
Heh, knew this was a load of bull the moment it misquoted Darwin, which funnily enough most ID or creationists seem to do:

“If it should be demonstrated that any complex organ existed which could not possibly have been formed by numerous, successive, slight modifications, my theory would absolutely break down” - they *always* miss the rider, "But I can find no such case."

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Male 604
this whole video is just blatant ignorance on the author`s part.

do people who approve these things actually believe them or do they just post them because they like to see us duke it out?

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Female 4,225
Evolution- I donno...alot?
Creationist- 0

Also, http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/IA...

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Male 335
There is, however, a TON of fossil evidence for hominid evolution.
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Male 66
It practically works backwards. He`s dead wrong when he says natural selection cannot cause new life-forms to arise and that mutation is always harmful. The facets of our being that allow us to live were "selected," or rather "allowed to continue as traits," simply because other beings that either lacked those traits or had different capabilities concerning them CANNOT LIVE, and things that are different in the vital ways CAN live. All traits are mutations themselves, but mutations that are "useful."

So instead of citing sickle-cell as a useful mutation, maybe they could cite the human eye, or eyelashes.

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Male 66
This guy highlights all the issues that exist with evolution quite efficiently, but he completely ignores the single OBVIOUS argument in favor of evolution. Actually, he unknowingly demonstrates the argument extremely well with the images showing ape and human and (possibly) in-betweener skulls.

These are bones from different species of animal. Ape=/=Human. However, the skulls are almost IDENTICAL. The morphology is almost identical. The genetic code is 99% IDENTICAL. Yet, these are not the same species.

He asserts that there is no relation between ape and man simply because there is a lack of fossil evidence that shows linear progression from one species to another. I would imagine that the simple shape of the video`s creator`s body and the shape of a rhesus macaque`s body would make it painfully clear that there is close relation between the two.

There is no fossil evidence of linear evolutionary progression because evolution does not work in a linear fashion.

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Female 4,225
To add, if this treaty that I will propose it not met...the war shall continue. The lands flooded with crimson blood and human flesh. The godly, the godless, and the sort of godlly and godless.

So done your armor! Or strip it off and cast down your weapons.

We are not barbarians!
WE ARE MEN!
Men walk, talk, SPEAK!

So hear me, and hear yourselves.

Let this war end here...or let this war contine, your choice.

For too long we have warred, for eternity actually.

And yet I hear crying and mewling, that sickness me more than the blood, but alas, this war of ours must stop.

This war shall be the the war to end all wars.
This war shall be the last.
This war is not mine, not yours...
This war belongs to no one
This war has not been lost
This war will never be won

This is a fruitless battle,
So I ask you now, ye men, what do you choose? Crimson? Or green? War, or peace?

Again I shall come with the document, when the skies are red.

Choose wisely.

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Female 4,225
this is what I propose, christians stay on their turf, we stay on ours. If we like it, certaiun people of each group shall go in the no mans land, and debate.

Any site, maybe photobucket where I can post a word document?

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Male 66
i still can`t believe that some people think religion is reasonable....
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Male 928
*no basis, God created
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Male 928
The term evolutionist should not exist any more than quantumist or calculusist. The only reason people call evolution into question more than other anthropological or archaeological findings is because it conflicts with world religions, so all kinds of feeble attempts are made to discredit it. The rumors with do basis in fact proliferate with the aid of people who wish they were true, and soon you have a country where half the citizens believe that God create man as he is. Do the Europeans on here have this problem in their countries? It`s craziness. The only thing crazier is people who think that creationism should be taught in schools. Because if you think evolution is shaky on the evidence, you should see the alternatives.
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Male 563
I hate when videos decide the speed in which I should read.
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Male 1
Shuuuuuuut uuuuuuuuup!

Take it like a man!

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Male 416
I don`t see why people call Atheist who believe in evolutino suddenly ``extremist`` or ``hatebreeding``. Well the way I see it, where one thing; REALISTIC.

Hatebreeding... you have to be fu(king kidding me... I guess atheist are the main cause of rascisme, hate and war right ? I`ll let you do the thinking for youerself from here.

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Male 126
I`ve an `evolutionalist` and no amount of unproven facts about god will change my point of view. I`m also not enforcing my beliefs on anyone else. I`ll have my belief and you can have yours. End of.
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Male 453
jesus was a monkey. ^
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Male 222
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RELIGIOUS DEBATES CROSSING THIS LINE WILL BE PROSECUTED.... srsly
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Female 3,001
wo get ya bad self with ya evidence for everythihng (Y)
gd times gd times
watch this space!
and since ive read were intitled to out own views
evelution is bullox! gd times with spelling errors and angry people with this video
there are tons out there saying the oposite
but
why
really
is it on this website
bad times bad times
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Male 383
alright.... new topic.... this ones just annoying, too many people argueing.......
god damn cops! *no offense, cops*
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Male 27
OK, few things. No doubt they have already been said. So sorry but here goes.

On the idea that the earth should be littered with predecessor species--the idiot version of evolution says we descend from "monkeys." We do not. We descend from our OWN ancestors from which we evolved. Evolution doesn`t argue that there is a certain population from which two special "mutant" evolve and create an entirely new, separate population. The WHOLE population advances over time. We don`t need a million intermediary globally distributed hominid species to explain each of our million evolutions. It happened WITHIN a population! No monkeyies required, just hominid ancestors in certain phases of evolution oh which there is PLENTY of evidence.

Also, just because evolution can`t, at the moment, explain everything ever doesn`t mean your BS religion is right. Evolutionists are working to find answers. Religionists are claiming they have the answers--without any work.

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Male 2,372
"Yes there is"

"No there isn`t"

"Yes there is"

"No there isn`t"

"Yes there is"

"No there isn`t"

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Male 12,138
I mean, what have the scientists ever done for us?

(bonus cookies for anyone who gets the movie reference)

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Male 12,138
^^ Cheese "evolutionists are extremely deceiving. Well, not just evolutionists but scientists in general. I think many scientists take advantage of the fact that they have a position and a degree and finesse ideas into fact. I remember reading an artical about scientists and historians who start with the answer, and then fill in what they need to get there."

I know, I those scientists are very deceiving. I think I read the same artical, can`t cite the source right no but I definitely remember it. I mean, they just keep spouting neolithic-age metaphysical bull without any kind of peer-review process, or citing any previous scientific sources, or providing any evidence of their "findings". Just the other day there was a scientist on the BBC talking about the Space Station. He was full of sh*t, just abusing his PhD degree and position as Professor Emeritus at Cambridge University, as if that made him an authority.

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Male 335
@ Cheese84o6 - What makes Evolution so "out there?" Some bullpoo statistic means nothing. Have you no understanding of what Evolution is and how it works? Also, how are evolutionists "deceiving?"
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Male 35
It was so boring I couldn`t get through it.
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Female 121
i am the lord jesus christ, i am the son of god and this is the second coming. now if you read that and thought that im a nutjob, what did those people think when `jesus` appeared? nutter? most definitely.
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Male 4,246
I don`t know why ANYBODY says the debate is over. It`ll never be over; extemists on both sides will be yelling at eachother until they`re blue in the face. And that`s exactly how it should be.
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Male 2
At first while i was watching this i was thinking this was a joke then i realised it was serious and i became sad that theres some idiot out there who believes this but i suppose to each his own so strap on your helmet monkey take offs in three minutes so prepare to leave any evidence behind O:>
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Male 13
Most creationists are so deceitful you don’t need evidence for a theory that by overwhelming political pressure is assumed to be true. Anything will do. As Hitler said, “if you repeat a really big lie often enough many will believe it.”

Fix`d.

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Male 394
Btw, there are many atheists that don`t believe in evolution, because it is just so... out there. The probability is about 10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000/1 regardless of proof or lack thereof, he is right in saying that evolutionists are extremely deceiving. Well, not just evolutionists but scientists in general. I think many scientists take advantage of the fact that they have a position and a degree and finesse ideas into fact. I remember reading an artical about scientists and historians who start with the answer, and then fill in what they need to get there.
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Male 394
I LOVE intelligent atheists who actually try and debate or decline to go into one instead of being ignorant morons and making ridiculous comments. Grow up. (of course that can go for the other side as well)
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Female 1,545
Yet again, IAB, with the inflammatory remarks.

Damn it. Get a life. All this stupid post does is breed hate.

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Male 928
Pathetic. Scientists distance abiogenesis from evolution because abiogenesis is unrelated to evolution.
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Male 132
Well, you see.

For all the people sick of the religious debates.. remember this.

You`re not being forced to read them. You are viewing them on your own will, and are free to move about the site to other links of more interest. I don`t see why we can`t just have the people that like it read it, and the people that don`t like it look at something else.

It`s REALLY simple. If it hurts your hand when you stick it in the fire, TAKE IT OUT, DUMBASS!

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Male 12,138
^^ that their logic is unfowlable.

What`s even worse than that is when they claim their logic is infallible.

That really gets my goat.

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Male 182
I love "debate" when it comes to religion... My way or the Highway.

I don`t care what religion, there is always going to be "I am right, you are wrong" debates. Needless to say, you can`t win going into a debate with the debaters both in the frame of mind that their logic is unfowlable.

Me, I believe both Evolution and Creation.... God made us, and we became what we are today.

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Male 12,138
I totally agree. Religion/Spiritualism/mysticism in its place, science/reason/evidence in its place. But when these "creationists" try to encroach on the realms of science (call it intelligent design, young earth creationism, put whatever dress on it you like), then they`re pissing in my back yard, and I that`s when I draw the line.

I don`t charge into churches on a sunday morning an yell "WE ARE DESCENDED FROM A COMMON APE-LIKE ANCESTOR! THE EARTH WAS NOT CREATED IN SIX DAYS, 6000 YEARS AGO! THERE WAS NO BIG BOAT WHICH CARRIED ALL OF EARTH`S SPECIES!"

Listen, whatever helps people sleep at night. I won`t try to disprove god (many have tried, but failed. It`s like trying to disprove Santa Claus. We can`t prove he doesn`t exist, so therefore, he must). And religious folks, please don`t try to stand in the way of progress. Leave that to us scientists (you know, the folks who designed the plastic-and-silicon-chip computer which your fingers are touching)

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Male 1,265
Yes, I`d been quiet for a while, but these bloody religious folk! The idiocy is indeed overwhelming.

I don`t mind them believing what they want, but when they start denying facts... :P

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Male 12,138
^^ KMeTG, winner of the Overmann Medal* 2007. Good to see you again.

* The "Overmann Medal" is a virtual (and yet, at the same time, metaphysically real) award bestowed upon individuals or groups on i-am-bored.com, for `Unselfish Services to Rational Free Thought in the Face of Overwhelming Idiocy`.

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Male 1,265
kittyloaf - On top of that, it might not have even been the Judeo-Christian God.

There are, and have been, legions of faiths and belief systems that involve a heavenly being creating the world and people. Any one of them could be The Creator.

Or, conversely, it could have been none of them.

The Big Bang theory, incidentally, does not say the universe started out from nothing. It says that the evidence shows that the universe used to be smaller, and the Big Bang was really just a period of massive expansion.

So where did the universe come from? Perhaps it was the remnants of a universe that collapsed into a black hole that sucked everything in on itself, into what`s known as a singularity. It`s something so unimaginable tiny, yet it contained all the matter and energy we have now. For some reason, it expanded suddenly and rapidly, which was what we call the Big Bang.

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Male 213
for another thing. There couldve been a form of creationism and evolution both together. They dont exclude eachother!! God couldve said "Let there be light, let there be physics, let there be chemistry" and from the basic rules and laws he made evolution could come about.
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Male 213
yes this is an awful, misinformed video.

He says throughout the video the statement "it is obvious that" this is not true or this is true, when it is not obvious.
He says "well evolution doesnt explain this" so creationism must be true, which isnt correct.
He makes a point that there should be millions of intermediate animal fossils, but there arent. There are many such fossils, its as if this person is just making up points randomly. If the changes are only slight, then it would be diffucult to judge the difference between a cat and a cat with a slightly longer tail.
Then he says "well since a certain type of bug hasnt evolved over millions of years, then evolution must not exist", which doesnt make sense because the bug need not change if its fit to survive.

Such an idiot...

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Male 244
Abiogenesis =/= Evolution. Evolution applies to life once it is already here. That argument is moot.

The Miller-Urey experiment was executed under conditions we now know were not so.

There are useful-mutations.

There are fossils of the transitional form.

Fail.

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Male 26
I don`t usually get buggered up enough to post on anything but for this I made an exception. The writer of this piece honestly did what a freshman philosophy student could do. Take all the "compelling" evidence against a theory and just fire at it until the average person begins to doubt it.

Very little of what our writer posted in that video was based on fact. In actuality most of it was just citing other information out of context and omitting important information that would lead you to realize he`s full of it.

Sickle Cell Anemia for instance has the benefit of making the person with the mutation immune to certain disorders.

Also, if you went about quoting every bloody paleantologist as the gospel truth, you`d have thousands of different ideas about what the same creature did and was like when it was alive.

Playing into emotions by calling proponents of the theory he is trying to debunk "Liars" is just childish.

Terrible argument, full of holes, blas

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Male 12,138
I could spend 15 minutes of my life shooting this down, but frankly I couldn`t be arsed.
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Male 1,265
Why the hell does he set about "disproving" evolutionary theory by talking about abiogenesis?

The two have nothing really to do with each other. One explains how life began, the other explains how life continues.

Further evidence for common descent, which I don`t think has been mentioned, is insulin production. We can take a gene that codes for insulin production right out of a human strand of DNA and implant it into a bacterium that will produce insulin like it`s been doing it forever, and will split and divide into millions of bacteria, all of which will also produce insulin.

The fact that humans and bacteria are compatible for swapping genes only serves to reinforce the fact of common descent; that all life originated from a single source.

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Male 3,310
Is this actually from someone with some credibility? If so, it`s blown now
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Male 954
What a moronic f*cking dumbass, his logic has more holes in it than swiss cheese!
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Female 274
Atheists and Christians alike shall join together in happiness.
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Female 274
I`m so proud of the peace treaty! Join VikingGuy, primetimekin, catbarf, jdotjdot, davymid, staberind, aniray, and I in our hippy colony. Cold beer all around!
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Male 32
Wow, straw man fallacies, equivocations, flat-out misinformation, why do i have the sneaking suspicion that this was made by someone with only the barest grasp on how genetics actually work? i laughed, i cried; it was better than "Cats!"
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Female 15,763
Nothing I haven`t seen before...
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Male 967
Heh, he said that evolutionists claim that birds are descended from reptiles. Nothing could be further from the truth. I wonder what other bogus facts he made up.
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Male 317
lol i did forgot about the animo acid. i read about it a long time ago.

that vid was a nice recap of why evolution is an epic fail bs. but the vid doesn`t show that God cares for us or anything, just that evolution is not the right answer.

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Female 1
Yet another christian with no NEW evidence, NO new ideas, NO proof, just again disputing actual scientific evidence with belief and ideology. Despite being a firm supporter for evolution, if it was disproved, that still would NOT be proof of creationism!! The onus is on these uncritical unthinking sheep believers to prove their god, the onus isn`t on us to prove something doesn`t exist.... thats`s ridiculous.
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Male 383
...... a refined, theory, in which has been proved on multi-levels, based on scientific fact, vs. a book, which says that an all powerful diety, created everything within 6 days, and is based on poof..... TaDa! oh, wait... i need to make adam.... heres some dust.... there we go, good as gold!
yah, real likely to me.....
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Male 6
Complete misunderstanding of evolutionary theory.

Enough said...

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Male 2,372
"...yes there is"

"No there isn`t"

"Yes there is"

"No there isn`t"

"Is"

"Isn`t"

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Male 23
Religion has been worse on scientist ... up till now.
But by the tone of most of the pro science/evolutionists posts ive been reading so far I`m sure things are going to change for the worst for spiritually minded poeple.
And those spiritual poeple that are truly good poeple will get "burned" just as bad as the spiritually crazed ones.
Same situation, different century.
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Male 383
..... evolution, an advanced process, which took billions of years, vs. poof! TADA!!!!!
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Male 23
I didnt quite get it... but a nordiques sweat shirt?
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Male 2,440
I like the cartoon davymid. : )

Azacam, yes there is a bit of a reversal here, it`s called PROGRESS. Remember when people thought the Earth was flat and people were burning `witches` left and right? Yeah, let`s go back to that. People were SO much happier then. Would you call a Scientologist a crackpot? They have faith that Zenu exists, Hindu`s believe that cows are holy, Muslims believe in Muhammad, Christians believe in Jesus, etc. Your reasoning is moronic. We`re not learning about the universe, OH NO, we`re just learning how GOD DOES IT ALL. Oh give me a fu<k*ng break. The idea of god brings up even MORE QUESTIONS. You can`t explain the universe with god anymore than you can with... a... magical plate of BACON. Where the HELL did god come from? How did an infinitly complex and all-knowing being such as god come to be? It makes no sense. I don`t know if god exists or not, no one does, so don`t assume. The universe is beautiful enough without magic thank you.

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Male 12,138
Some people may find this cartoon amusing. Many others will simply not get it.

And BTW, I know it`s not funny, but it is clever...

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Male 23
It just seems to me that we are in a period in time that is the reverse of the middle ages.
When religion ruled and science was evil.
Now its the opposite. Poeple that are spiritual
are comsidered apostate to science.
I beleive in both. And i believe over time
the more knowledge is gained. things like "evolution" and "the existence of an intelligent designer will become clearer.
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Female 535
Who the hell can read that fast?
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Male 1,109
the debate will never be over
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Male 335
Pointless post is pointless.

You basically confirmed everything I said.

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Male 2,372
I`m sorry, but I get pissed off when I see more fùcking religious debates on I-A-B. Fùck off already. It`s been beaten to death.

"There is no god, bytches!"

"Yes there is, non-nice individuals"

"No there isn`t"

"Yes there is"

"Not"

"IS"

"NOT"

"IS SO"

.........:-P:-P:-P

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Male 23
I`m trying to turn this forum into a mustang forum
lol !

I have never seen one being built ... (dream job).
You cant "google" creation ... yet.
The more science learns about the universe
it might one day be possible, in a few hundred/thousand years.

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Male 335
@ azacam - Do you know how we know your Mustang (badass car, btw, props there) is created? We have seen people build cars; we have seen the factories where they are built; we have seen people who build cars for a living; a quick Google Images search could probably give me the plans for building a Ford Mustang.

But have you ever seen anyone create a universe? Have you ever seen a universe "factory" or "building site" or something similar? Can a Google search give you the plans for building the universe? Do you know anyone who makes universes for a living? I`d say the answers to all of these questions are "no."

That is why we disregard Creationism as fantasy. From an objective standpoint, it makes no sense whatsoever.

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Male 23
I couldn even show you the ceators of the mustang
but I know the exist.
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Male 335
@ All the people who say "Who cares? There`s no point in arguing about it anyway because you won`t change anyone`s beliefs."

No point? So I suppose you don`t care if your beliefs are true? If you don`t care then that`s all well and good, but the rest of us do. Also, stop getting mad every time someone posts something about religion, Atheism, or Evolution. No one forced you to watch the video.
Another thing: I could be wrong, but it seems most of the people saying these things are in my age group (13-17), i.e. the thus far uneducated. It`s incredibly sad when people, especially those this young, have no interest in science, even though it is what allows you to live the way you do. Y`know, with this fancy computer thing that lets you go on i-a-b.

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Male 1,556
Sorry groogle missed that.
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Male 7
extraodinary claims require extraodinary evidence...show me your creator
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Male 23
when it comes to science I know I`M an "idiot", not because I believe in creation/intelliegnt design or what ever you want to call it.
There is so much to learn with science and so little time.I am trying to read as much as possible.I love science.But I feel you have to give credit where credit is due.
How would the creators of my beautiful Ford Mustang feel if I were didnt believe they even
existed?
I don`t know what God is but he sure created a
beautiful universe.

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Male 7
The author of this video has simply quoted information from scientists that was already known. This information already being known, only proves that the author has not shown us anything new, and has simply tricked us into thinking that we`ve been given new information. Good job on compiling other people`s information though. I`m sure that took hours of sitting and staring at google.
My turn...
"Science shares with religion the claim that it answers deep questions about origins, the nature of life, and the cosmos. But there the resemblance ends. Scientific beliefs are supported by evidence, and they get results. Myths and faiths are not and do not."
— Richard Dawkins, River out of Eden

"The study of theology, as it stands in Christian churches, is the study of nothing; it is founded on nothing; it rests on no principles; it proceeds by no authorities; it has no data; it can demonstrate nothing; and it admits of no conclusion."
— Thoma

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Male 168
This video makes some excellent points. I don`t believe that `God` or any `God` created us, and the theory of evolution is just ridiculous. The trees and animals didn`t just grow up around humans for nothing you know! Someone put them there for us.
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Male 2,172
Red5TheFinn: "Oh, and Groogle ligers have many problems walking and standing upright, they do not live long because their bones simply cannot support them."

I already stated that this was because Lions and Tigers are highly ordered organisms that are extremly hard to improve.

Ligers are imperfect but they exist and that fact alone is proof enough of the evolution theory.

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Male 1,556
And really, there is no point in arguing anymore. Just believe what you want and rot in the ground.
Triple post sorry
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Male 1,556
Oh, and Groogle ligers have many problems walking and standing upright, they do not live long because their bones simply cannot support them. This once again goes against what I think. But what the hell.
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Male 1,556
Ok fine, he MAY have disproved evolution, BUT! did you provide any evidence for creation? or god? miracles? nay, sir you have achieved the award for being intelligent and a complete idiot at the same time.
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Male 2,172
If you still disagree then I want you to take a rock and look at it.

Dont ask questions just do it.

Now think and ask yourself this "Is this rock alive?" your logic and everything you`ve been taught about life tells you that the rock is not alive but the rock itself is made out of DNA, the same stuff that made you so just because it dosen`t move or breath or have a pulse dosen`t mean it`s not alive, it only mean that, by your standard, this rock is not alive.

There are combinaison of DNA that give birth to what we call "living things" and other that give birth to what we call "non-living" things. When a DNA patern is created it may end up positive or negative / alive or dead.

The more you know.

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Male 544
Hmmm... Yep, lots of this is BS, but when you try to argue with someone who has devoted their life to a faith such as Christianity, they will be stubborn. It`s hard to hear someone tell you that what you believe in and what you`ve committed to is wrong.

As for the Big Bang stuff:
Please just stop. The creation of the universe told through scientific knowledge just boggles my mind to a degree of pain. I definitely agree with the scientific view, but I just can`t think about it. If I do, I over-think. And that sucks.

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Male 2,172
False, Liger is a hybrid cross and direct proof that this is how everything that is living evolved to become "highly ordered organisms" ( meaning highly evolved and highly efficient at survival and thus very hard to evolve any further ).

Liger can`t reproduce themselves because the DNA of the male Liger is made that way ( Because of mutation of the DNA over time, if it would have been made otherwise maybe they would have been fertile but DNA are very complex and fellow a system like everything else, just like maths ).

Soon scientists will be able to decode the DNA of any living species and de-evolve them to see how they came to be and from there they will be able to create new breed and prove evolution.

Just wait.

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Male 124
I am sick of these crappy videos that are all just dramatic music and words. Talk about a bad way to get ur point across. it takes about 10 times longer to read at this videos speed than it would to read this if it were on paper or a text document. booorrring
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Male 57
Also to add on the Liger, arn`t they sterile
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Male 187
Groogle, I liger did not evolve from a tiger or a lion. It`s a crossbreed. Mommy was a lion. Daddy was a tiger.
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Male 23
I read that all Liger males were unable to reproduce because they never reach maturity. Females are able to have offspring but it wont be with a male Liger.
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Male 328
primetimekin wrapped it up
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Male 328
actually, yes i have. AP as a matter of fact. but no matter how much evidence there is for it, when you go back to the fundamentals of nature, its too impossible.
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Male 7,933
okay, after the peace treaty we set up last night. Im ready to get back into this. groogle, nothing suggest that the Liger would be successful in nature. It can be a freak mutation that isnt beneficial. Gorgack, there are several problems with the big bang I dont feel like explaining. Wikipedia and other sources list its problems.

Anyway I have finally developed my complete hypothesis on the Origins of Life.

1. All life was not created in 7 days
2. Life was created.
3. Some species dominate certain eras because their traits allowed the to prosper and other might have become extinct or close to extinct.
4. Once the era changes, another already existing species just becomes more populated.
5. Natural selection would eliminate some species.
6. Mutations do occur but do not make a dinosaur into a chicken. I`m thinking more making a dinosaur into a dinosaur that is a few feet taller. Or maybe with longer claws.
7. List are awesome

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Female 54
these links are getting annoying
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Male 23
who, what, whatever...
My simple car, took a entire company to produce.
Engineers, artist, technicains etc etc
Surely it took someone/something to produce
this universe.
The universe is so complexe that I`m sure there is thousands of years of discovery that is yet to be done about the universe.
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Male 17
not who, but what created it. and we dont know. but we can be pretty sure that it didnt take six days and a jewish guy with a beard didnt have anything to do with it. big bang probably. huge amounts of energy. and about the laws of physics. if you create an environment which is completely free from outside influences it will eventually settle into some kind of system. i assume the laws of physics happened the same way.
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Male 23
scientist apply laws to the universe...
but I wonder how the universe came to
exist in the first place.
who made the laws of physics, who designed
the laws by wich the universe runs?
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Male 17
well. actually the "theory" which at this momant seems most likely about pre-universe stuff is the multiuniverse theory. there was some kind of something before which mioght have imploded or something to create the present universe or multiverse.

about evolution/creationism go to this awesome site:
http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/

it debunks most if not all of the bs he spewed in that video.

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Male 2,172
azacam, you have to understand that what we refer as "Nothing" is something that we just can`t see/explain.

There might be something out there but it`s far beyond our grasp to tell what it is. We`re inside the bubble and we just can`t see outside.

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Male 2,440
azacam, no serious scientist has ever said that there was nothing before the big bang. They apply the second law of thermodynamics just like everyone else.
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Male 639
Typical, only Christians would believe a video like this. I would only suggest that the next person who tries to `debunk` evolution actually understands it first.
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Male 2,440
hey cndman15, you probably haven`t even taken high school biology yet, you moron. We know who the idiots are when they say "evolutionists." Have a degree in biology? Worked in a lab? Even read "The Origin of the Species"? No? Then go back to sitting in your bean bag chair eating Fritos and talking about how `awesome` you are at Halo 3. There`s a reason some people don`t even bother with creationists, it`s like talking to a person with their fingers in their ears yelling "LA LA LA I CAN`T HEAR YOU! LA LA LA! Here`s a thought, provide REAL evidence, not some ancient crap about 6 day creation.
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Male 4,680
Radio-telescopes have picked up echoes of the big bang. I`ve never seen any creationists having a go at explaining this.
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Male 23
Evolution/Creation cannot occur without a universe, planets, matter, energy, the laws of physics, ecosystems, etc etc
How did the universe come to exist?
Before the "big bang" their was absolutly
nothing.
How do you get something from nothing?
What caused the "big bang"?
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Male 2,172
To the simpleton who made this video, I have only one word for you.

LIGER

Prove me wrong.

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Female 1,398
NO! STOP! ENOUGH WITH RELIGION VERSUS ATHEISM.

Let both sides believe what they want, it doesn`t hurt anyone unless they try to forcefully impose their beliefs on others.

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Male 328
especially when it comes to irreducible complexity. and yes, there has to be multiple sub species evolving at the same time other wise its impossible to reproduce. 4 winged fruit fly?
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Male 328
haha. all the evolutionists on this site was like "pshhh hes wrong. i just dont feel like explaining why...... yeah.."
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Male 169
generaly it was a fairly well out together argument and at first it had me questioning some of my beleifs. but on reflection some of his science is wrong, "randomnes is destuctive" no not always this is defined because it is random. "has to be more of a sub speceices" not true, think about it. some of his quotes are just quoting an opion of some one else, not usefull.
releigion and science can co exist
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Male 14
haha, too much fail here...

Does this person realize that people with sickle cell anemia cannot get malaria?

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Male 81
this guy`s a moron.
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Male 298
ah, there we go, reducto ad hitlerem!
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Male 153
i got bored 30 seconds into this.
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Male 132
Lol whoever made this video is a close-minded idiot. He seems to think that science has stopped, and is incapable of using new technologies to solve the problems he said it has had.
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Male 170
Pilanus: "some rocks and some bones saying its billions of years old and we came from pond slime..."you have no guarantee that anything before this very moment was real, so arguing about it is rather silly, and rather stupid. It is a total waste of time, and you could be doing better things like figuring out how to make life a little better"

Some of those rocks, bones and slime that we have dug up from the ocean floor and dated as 55 million years old may be our best chance to understand the climate change we face in the next few centuries. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleocene-E... - a sudden warming event known to be due to a massive CO2 release.

Just one example of how pure science can end up being very relevant to social matters. There are thousands more. More importantly, the pursuit of knowledge FOR ITS OWN SAKE is one of the things that makes us human. So don`t rubbish it.

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Male 406
Okay, my sheeple... I mean my children, put down all your science books and just blindly believe in me.

Yours truly,
GOD

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Male 80
shoots himself in the foot by being so one-sided...i turned it off when he did not explain the sickle-cell anemia point. it is labeled as a favorable mutation because although it screws up your blood, it also gives you a resistance to malaria
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Male 1,583
also that video was so borring i stopped watching towards the begining
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Male 1,583
so life can sometimes just occur randomly, huh?
thats kinda creepy, so how come theres no known accounts of inanimate objects randomly comming to life, ever? I`d probably poo my pants if my mouse randomly came to life or something.
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Male 60
Why do people think it is ok to take what is essentially a written editorial and make it into a video where you would have to read about as fast as an eight year old to be able to maintain interest?
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Male 127
Whoever made this video has no knowledge of evolution beyond a ninth-grade biology class.

I`ll just point one of the very many things incorrect in this video: sickle-cell anemia is considered to benefit the person since people with it CANNOT GET MALARIA. Sickle-cell anemia is much more common in people of African descent, since they come from a location where malaria is widespread. That right there could be called `evolution` and disproves your whole worthless video.

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lame
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Male 504
Not even worth igniting a flame war over..
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Male 504
Sorry, you lost me at about a minute-twenty... BORING!!!! Wrong!!! Do it again!!!
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Male 614
Music is annoying.
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Female 1,395
I got too bored too quickly to continue.
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Female 4,225
And know, I shall write a bunch of contradictions, cited by http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/j... that prove that the Bible is once again, unreliable

On second thought, I’ll just leave the link.

This debate’s getting old already

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Female 4,225
If the pro think they can combat us with equal strengh, they are sadly mistaken.

That vid is an OPINION, his sources UNRELIABLE.

And the fact is, creations don`t seem to fully understand evolution

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Female 4,225
Yeah, let`s give this guy a round of applause.

And one word people- retrovirus.

Finish all your pills and antibiotics, otherwise the bacteria and viruses ill evoluve and you can`t get rid of them

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Male 438
The End.

Ok. Here`s the funny part to take away from this, it took less time to prove him a liar, definitly, than it did for him to try to prove evolutionists liars, and he was the one trying to prove some one a liar in the first place. What I`ve said really goes to display the credibility of this guy, and the noncredibility of this video is what`s important to get. Cheers.

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Male 438
Holy Crap this guy is an idiot!
The fact that inuits share traits with homoerectus PROVES evolution and shows a link between modern man and modern man`s ancestores. Again it does not disprove evolution at all. Evoluton does not happen evenly, the human race doesn`t just suddenly "level up" lol.

Also evolution has DEFINITLY been proven in bacteria, i can`t see how he could say evolution has never been proven in any way, it`s really obvious espetially in the new antibiotic resistant bacteria which have killed several people in hospitals this past year.

Furthermore evolution in Symbiosis is VERY easy to prove, just take a look at simultanious Müllerian Mimicary. That seems like a difficult thing to understand by the wording and it is, but it`s not critical to point out, just another idea to add.

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Male 231
Who the f|_|ck cares?
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Female 4,225
Galopagos finches havent been mentioned yet, right?
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Female 4,225
And I hope you enjoy yours

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_o...
Ok, so, how do we explain the bones in whales that ended up there...because they evolved from land predetors?

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Male 438
"And stop saying Holy Crap this guy is an idiot! in the begging? We get it. "

That`s purely for continuity and who`s "we"? Your cat? :)

you act like my little sister actully though, but I actually hope you enjoy your stay here in he end honestly, Turnshroud.

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Female 4,225
What you have to realizde is, that book was made, a very, very, long, long, LONG time aggo. They had no scientif understanding.

Also, parts of one testement contradict what the other says.

Not to mention, as I said a miillion times befiore, it has been changed time and time again, therefore an uunreliable source

Someone should really but that vid, in actual text over here....

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Male 1,265
If this bitch got to be on IAB with this crap then I`ll keep shooting him down..

"Many creationists consider Java Man to be a large ape, but it is far more humanlike and has a far larger brain size than any ape, and the skull is similar to other Homo erectus skulls. It is also frequently claimed that Eugene Dubois, the discoverer of Java Man, later decided it was only a large gibbon, but this claim is not true."

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Male 1,455
He mentioned the Miller-Urey experiment and it was so ridiculously false I stopped right there.

The Miller-Urey experiment was never intended to create life. What it did was simply extraordinary, producing the building blocks of life. It is far more evidence for evolution than against it.

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Male 438
I can`t beleive horse shoe crabs are used to prove creationism, we blantantly know they have evolved. Original horse shoe crabs had 8 segments but all modern ones have 6 and the transition is VERY clear.
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Male 1,265
Yes I`m posting again and again... I hate this S.O.B.

"Amazingly, a century after scientists knew otherwise, most creationists still believe that Neandertals were merely modern humans, deformed by diseases such as rickets, arthritis or syphilis. Some, but by no means all, Neandertals have been found with signs of health problems such as arthritis. But Neandertals have many distinctive features, and there is no reason why these diseases (or any others) would cause many, let alone all, of these features on even one, let alone many, individuals. Modern knowledge and experience also contradicts the idea that disease is a cause of Neandertal features, because these diseases do not cause modern humans to look like Neandertals." - http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/homs/a_n...

If these arguements are all Christians have to fall back on I seriously worry about inteligent sane humans who still believe creati

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Male 1,265
FFS I kept watching it... the guy who made this needs to be shot, everything he says seems to be a lie... Darwin was worried about this FACT... erm no he wasn`t he was just saying that if something that didn`t happen happened then his theory would break down, kind of like god creating the world.

I swear he put the wrong quotes up, everything he says seems to actually be contradicted by the quotes he chose, or out of context!

Here`s one for you, "God created everything" "God looked at the world and said it was good" Thus abortions, genetic engineering, satanic rituals, rape, stem cells, murder, canabalism, beastiality... All good in God`s eyes!

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Female 4,225
^Legacy, do you know how confusing what you just said is? And stop saying Holy Crap this guy is an idiot! in the begging? We get it
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Male 438
Holy crap this guy is an IDIOT in my oppinion.
He compared evolution beleivers to Hitler. :)

And then right before saying "That is evidence for creation". He even forgot to realize that the oppinion was supporting THE OPPOSITE of a disagreement with evolution.... It was supporting the other side, some of his own biggest "evidence" (oppinion) was actually disagreeing with him and just saying "these changes arose very quickly" not that the changes were false, in fact many people beleive that species shifts and changes do arise very quickly in groupings. This has nothing to do with disproving evolution, evolution agrees with that.

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Male 170
Pretty much everything this guy says is WRONG or misleading. He doesn`t fully understand EVOLUTION, and he doesn`t understand the fossil record AT ALL.

He should take a degree in Geological Sciences, focussing on palaeobiology. Then he`ll understand evolution a lot better.

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Male 1,265
I just want to stop it at the begining and say stfu... Haven`t scientist created life already? There was a post on here about it a while back, that kind of makes everything he`s going to talk about = bull in my opinion. STOP saying evolutional theory is a lie because ... and then go on to say something that`s not true! Just accept that the creation story was made up when the jewish faith realised they didn`t have one and every other religion did during one of the many times `God`s people` have been abused, spat on and used as slaves. (Which kind of makes me wondered how much of a masochist religious people are to still love a God who enjoys suffering?)
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Female 4,225
Dinosaurs and another animals, when they are open a smaller island than anyone else, they become smaller. We have fossil avoidance of that.

And the human body, animal bodies are FILLED with evidence. We have vesicular structures in our body know useless. When you look at certain embryos, some contain similar parts, but turn in to different animals.
When humans migrated from Africa, there skin became lighter because of evolution.
When a child is born with dark hair, that means one parent lacked the dominant recessive, evolution can work the same way.

Speciation can also happen because of evolution/


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Female 4,225
Can you PLEASE not triple post unless it is necessary? I’d say double is ok with reason.

To previous anti-religion debate- the debate to end all debates? Wasn`t WWI the war to end all wars? That didn`t work. Leave us be. There is apparently such a thing as a non-extremist Christian that is intelligent. If you are tired of the debating down in the Debate Hall, you are welcome to go to another room.

Shouldn’t the lobe-finned fish be proof? That fish had a genetic mutation that was passed on from generation to generation. Why? Because it was useful.
Animals developed mutations to escape predators, become better...etc.

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Male 438
Holy crap this guy is an IDIOT.

Evolution absolutaly does NOT happen in an even way as it`s pointed out by this guy, there is huge idea in evolution which very much supports a LACK of EVEN distribution of "transitional" species as he calls them. There is a lack of even distribution of transitional species because there isn`t SUPPOSED to be an even distribution in the first place, the fact he admits there is an unevness proves evolution if anything. Don`t let me explain it all though, let the university of Berkley do that for me:

http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evosite/ev...

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Male 438
Holy crap, he did it TWICE. Randomness is incredibly useful in enhancing ordered systems. Ask any expert about adaptive robotic reasoning.
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Male 438
Holy crap this guy is an IDIOT.

He said he was going to PROVE evolution false, and he put a very clearly defined OPPINION in his video.

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Male 438
Holy crap this guy is an IDIOT.

Parts of the human body develop and remove new organs all the time, in fact that`s the whole reason we have people born without Plantaris muscles. Scientists have actually traced the gene responsible for this too. New organs happen all the time.

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Male 438
Holy crap this guy is an IDIOT.

Just because the expriment he mentioned could not synthesize all the amino acids does not indicate ireducible complexity (which is a wrong idea in the first place). In fact Most people can synthesize 23 amino acids and some can synthesize *24* because some people have gained the ability to make Selenocysteine a new amino acid. let me say that in another way, the complexity in being able to create certain number of amino acids can be simplified, it is not ireducibly complex.

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Male 227

FLAME ON!!!!

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Male 650
Could he have chosen worse music?
MY EARS BLEED!! GOD DAMN LOOP! (pun not intended)
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Male 369
why does everything have to be a video? this belongs in an article where you can actually see the pictures!!
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Male 395
FAIL!
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Male 237
xp, Jesus touched you the same way he touched me! And in true aKappy style, I achieved an erection.
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Male 522
Well now that I`ve seen the same erroneous propaganda laid out by creationist over and over again in video form, with cool music, I`m suddenly convinced that my complete lack of faith was misguided and wrong. I can`t wait to get to church tomorrow so I can start believing that an invisible superhero in the sky made man out of mud.

Thanks for the enlightenment.

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Male 39
I’m getting really tired of these nuts. They use the same arguments now as they did in the 70`s and before. They have been proven wrong over and over again. ofcource we are not going to find fossils of all creatures who ever lived on the planet, many are destroyed by the forces of nature. No one has ever found any organ/body part that is “irreversible complex”, half-an eye is better than no eye at all. And evolution has been observed, for example antibiotic resistant bacteria.
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Male 237
I don`t this guy knows what he`s talking about. Mutations, whilst NEARLY always are harmful, they aren`t always harmful! And thos mutation occur at a genetic level, so if the beneficial mutatation carrier breeds, that mutation is passed on. That`s how evolution works, it`s a fact of life. It`s why some of us are tall and some of us are short!
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Male 103
Whoever made this clearly has no idea what they`re talking about. It`s pointless to have a conversation regarding science and religion with the uninformed, so I`ll just say this:

Practically all scientific evidence point toward evolution in the same way that practically all scientific evidence tells us that we orbit the sun, or are part of a spiral galaxy.

This does NOT mean that there is no God, nor does it mean that such a God could not have created the universe. If we agree that God would be all powerful, then God could have made evolution. Or, if you want to go crazy, God could have made all the evidence of evolution as a ploy to "test the faith" of mankind.

The thing is, no matter how much we yell at each other in the IAB forums, none of us will ever KNOW the truth. We can come up with some pretty good educated guesses, and we can believe, but we will never know.

Unless someone here happens to be a prophet. Then they might know.

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Male 1,013
"mutations, in time, occur incoherently. They are not complementary to one another, nor are they cumulative in siccessive generations toward a given direction."

Wow, so many BS statements strung together that are profoundly incorrect. So by the above statement, mentally handicapped males mate with chicks just as often than normal males. Thus producing an omni-directional evolutional result of normal and f`d up children.

"Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blind-folded fear."
-- Thomas Jefferson

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Male 445
even if you haven`t posted the badass links i`ve given you
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Male 445
but lately, I think fancylad has some issue going on, look at the last week`s posts, there`s a ton of "kick my ass please" posts.

why such the issues? get over it and leave our comic forum alone, dood!

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Male 445
This is i-am-bored not i-am-aggrivated, right?
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Male 445
fancylad: You`ve brought up a crapload of controversial subjects lately.

Please, for the sake of everyone here, stop smokin crack cocaine, ok?

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Male 674
Hmm, it cut my end off...

Live your life with the goal of Being happy. strive to be wise, strive to live the life you have been given. Live every day to the fullest, as no one knows what happens after death, and anyone or any book that says they do is a liar. Treat death as the worst possible thing you can imagine, and live your life well in the time you have, as you may die in 10 minutes, tomorrow, next week, a year from now or maybe you`ll live to be 120... If you live your life fully, live it the way you want, and live with the goal of your happiness, while not encroaching on the happiness of others, your life will be fulfilled when you die.

Where we come from is something to ponder, but you have no guarantee that anything before this very moment was real, so arguing about it is rather silly, and rather stupid. It is a total waste of time, and you could be doing better things like figuring out how to make life a little better, or how to make someone else happy...

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Male 16
seriously, if i see another goddamn stupid religious debate on this website, i`m never coming back.
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Male 674
The thing is, Both creationists and evolutionists and anyone that thinks this endless debate is important all have in common,They are all complete idiots. Creations have a book saying the world was made 6,000 years ago, and evolutionists have some rocks and some bones saying its billions of years old and we came from pond slime. Well guess what, No one (should) give a rats arse about who is right and who is wrong, they both totally miss the point.
How the world was made isn`t important. What happened happened, and arguing about it won`t change it

The Fact of the matter is that where we came from is incredibly trivial compared to the question of "What do we do while we are here?" and the answer to that is simple, can be agreed by almost everyone, and is stated time and again in every holy book of every religion. Treat others with respect and compassion. Do not kill, torture, enslave, rape, or commit other unethical crimes against anyone else. Live your life with the goal

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Male 1,825
seriously, i don`t even care anymore. i agree, drop the subject, it doesnt matter or make a diffrence
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Male 4,546
2) Evolution is demonstratable, and observable.
What is not is how far into the past it goes, but this is important.

Fact: Evolution occurs.
Assumption: Evolution has always occurred.

It is impossible to deny evolution. The creationists try to say that evolution had a starting point. The burden of proof currently lies with creationists on that point.

3) "Mutations are always destructive in an ordered system".
First, no, they`re not *always* destructive.
Second it depends what you mean by an ordered system.

Obviously with something that has been honed over 3 billion years, new changes cause problems. With a single celled organism, the changes are more likely to be positive.

In humans, useful mutation is rare. With certain plants however: Useful mutations can be 3 times more common than harmful.

Male 332
I officially resign from arguing the atheist point of view. Just as no theist argument will ever break my confirmation bias towards the scentifically accepted view of life, I am now convinced that no argument of mine, or anybody else`s, can break their confirmation bias towards whatever faith they practise.
Nothing, besides direct confirmation that a creator exists (or a time machine!) will ever break this standoff.
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Male 756
Someone PLEASE make this religion debate stop already!!! How many posts do we need on the SAME damn topic?!

IAB used to be a links site, now i`s a political/religious debate forum. WTF?

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Male 4,546
To be honest, she didn`t really bring religion into it.

You`re saying she did because you`re frustrated at not being able to actually answer. Don`t worry. Put all that rage away. It wasn`t a very good argument. It`s *OK* that you didn`t know the answer. Deep breaths.

However, maybe next time address the points at hand (I.e. Defend Evolution/go learn something), rather than attacking religion. Attacking them doesn`t make you right.


Some things people haven`t brought up:
1) There are known hoaxes. The author pointed some out. These are not the basis of evolution, and therefore debunking them does not debunk evolution. Furthermore it is EVOLUTIONISTS who have shown they were hoaxes.

It`s the equivalent of debunking a magic trick with a floating woman, then going "See the woman isn`t REALLY flying! Therefore there is no such thing as powered flight".

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Male 27
Meh. I don`t think we need youtube to tell me there is a God. I already believe in God. And if somebody dosn`t believe in God no YouTube video is going to convert them. And they copied this style for YTMND. I noticed it immediatly.
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Male 69
I couldn`t watch this for very long, it was just too much fail for me to handle. Don`t pull out anymore religious debates, please. No one will ever win.
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Male 734
This video poses questions that I think are very valid, and that many people who support evolution should know the answer to. However, that being said, there ARE counterarguments for every "fact" in this video. Though more convincing than peanut butter and bananas, it`s still ludicrous.
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Male 8
So the author of this wants me to believe that a cosmic jewish zombie, who was his own father, can make you live forever, if you symbolically eat his flesh, and telepathically tell him that you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-women was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree? Classic. Becuase all the works of science cannot equal the wisdom of cattle-sacrificing primitives who thought that every living animal lived within walking distance of some dude named Noah`s house....or one of the other hundreds of other ridiculous stories early humans came up with to appease the fear of nature. Makes perfect sense to me. Sign me up. And for those of you who don`t like the debate, it`s not like some supernatural entity made you post to this. I for one love reading what theists write. It`s humorous for me to read what someone writes in defense of the equivalent of the tooth fairy and santa claus.
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Male 28
Just a quick reply, the miller-like experiment they did with the current theory of early earth atmosphere did come up with `organic material` not amino acids, and the organic material was cyanide and formaldehyde, which together create embalming fluid.
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Male 106
IAB chatting here, easier than posting for religious debates

http://home.comcast.net/~jdotjdot89/Rand...

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Female 511
The stupidity burns my brain. Ok, let`s take the hyper right and left wing politicians, batpoo crazy religious psychos, and trolling atheists and dump them on an island and watch them fight to the death. Last one standing wins. What do they win? A shot in the head XD

Seriously, stop with the idiotic atheist and creationist videos. They are made of fail.

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Male 1
And the sickle cell disease is beneficial in some parts of the world because it offers resistance to malaria. Its a good thing to have if you live in a rain forest infested with mosquitoes. As expected, data collected from populations living in areas with more malaria have higher percentages of people who have sickle cell disease.
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Male 134
ahaha this video is a trolling video


ignore it not worth it

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Male 57
I personally thought most of it was interesting. I am a Christian and share many of the views in the video. I think he could have put it together better you did have to read it all but that aside great video. I have often wondered about the transitional species.

"When he/she talks about transitional species in evolution, he states that there would need to be more of the predecessor than there is of the current type, which is entirely false considering the fact that... I don`t know... animals have sex? You`d only need two that are capable of survival to prolong the species."

You would need more than two animals to prolong the species because as we all know that evolution takes MILLIONS of years, so to say that there would only need to be two animals to evolve would be alot faster than MILLIONS of years. I may have misunderstood you on that though.

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Male 1,766
If you want to debate go here its more formal
http://www.debate.com/
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Male 27
This video fails on so many levels...
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Male 1,766
live love and respect please just drop it
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Male 302
zomg... I`ll just tackle one of the faults with this video. There aren`t hundreds of intermittant fossils of species because it takes crazy events and scenarios to fossilize something. Volcanic activity, tar/mud pits, etc. Fossils are only made when the proper conditions are set... and then they have to be found.
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Male 340
Jesus christ they copied the style of the Scientology link on YTMND.
Like that`s going to make anyone believe your god is real. Get a grip dude.

http://theunfunnytruth.ytmnd.com/

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Female 80
omfg noooo moooooooore!
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Male 166
I thought the point of this site was to find interesting links, not all kinds of religious/ atheist crap posted purely to get trolls to fight on the comment boards. There`s nothing new here.
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Male 592
Oh let the hundreds of posts begin!

At least he does make some valid logical points, although lack of evidence is a poor reason to debunk a theory. The earlier post(10 Questions) about the existence of god suffers from some of the same logic. Both simply take a given theory and argue the opposite. Anyone who has studied debates knows that it is always easier for someone to argue the negative, because the burden of truth is on the positive side.

This is how one of the most famous debaters, Socrates, worked. He could simply ask a question, and very elegantly continue asking, "why," He merely had to wait until his opponent inevitably said something that could be taken as a contradiction and seized that.

Anyway, the point is that you can debunk any argument. The true question is whether or not these videos are actually proving anything. I, taking a cue from the great debaters prefer to argue the negative on that.

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Female 731
phail, next.
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Male 637
When he/she talks about transitional species in evolution, he states that there would need to be more of the predecessor than there is of the current type, which is entirely false considering the fact that... I don`t know... animals have sex? You`d only need two that are capable of survival to prolong the species. Also, he uses a lot of quotes, and very little support behind them. Especially at the point where he marks evolutionists as deceitful, then takes a quote from Hitler, which could easily be thrown back in his face about repeating something often enough that it`s believed to be true. (Not against religion, just saying...) Also, just as there are a lot of fossils, there are a lot of animals that could not`ve fossilized, or are in the depths of the ocean, of which 80% hasn`t been explored. Science still has much to discover, and jumping to conclusions before we have all of the facts is like trying to get a fat kid`s attention around cake. Don`t, until he`s done.
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Male 36
I`m sorry, I guess I`ll just ignore my appendix.
Whats that? Logic kicking in?
OH SHI-
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Male 410
Don`t care!
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Male 32
Hmm, I stopped to post about 50 seconds in, but now I`m realizing if I go back and correct his science I`ll be writing all night. And pfft irreducible complexity don`t get me started on what an moron Behe is...
But yes, I feel as though this might not be the proper discourse for science. Oh well, have fun saying the same comments that were said 12 hours ago...
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Male 10,440
Hahaha! What a horribly crap-tacular video.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion and this is mine.

I have never seen a video more wrong in my life.

I wish there were more atheist-hackers so that they could DOS attack the crap out of stuff like this.

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Female 58
Too long.
I got bored.
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Male 143
When one goes to a site for when they are bored, you may assume they are bored becuase they have a poo load of homework to do. so nobody in their right mind actually want`s to learn.
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Male 1,766
please just drop it tkpb9381
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Male 32
Well that was dumb and factually incorrect. While it was true that they could only produce sequences of about 20 amino acids, they weren`t incorporating hydrogen gas because it was originally believed that Hydrogen was not present in the atmosphere at the point in time they were trying to simulate.
However, recent theories (with evidence of course) indicate that there was a reducible atmosphere (due to the presence of hydrogen) and this factor allows chains much larger than 20 amino acids. The experiment was later performed using this new information with Hydrogen present and of course, they saw that chains of much longer than 20 amino acids could be formed.

It`s cool and stuff, the original hydrogen in the atmosphere apparently came from the collision between the earth and the moon.

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Male 292
what an idiot. The Miller Urey experiment was excellent proof of evolution and his arguments don`t make sense and/or are meaningless scientific jargon. Sounds to me like someones trying very hard to convince themselves that they are right, and hence trying to convince others.
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Female 283
Ah! No more debates! The music was too annoying... too early in the morning to read this... need coffee.
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Female 118
*bitch slap*

DONT POKE THE TIGER

WHATS THE MATTER WITH YOU PEOPLE!?!
let the sleeping dog lie. -_-
no more religious crap.
you believe stuff that we dont.
deal
with
it

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Male 2,160
i´m sticking to the peace accord of the earlier debate and shall not bother
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Female 993
yeah, patthebaker, here come the religious debates. Remember that poll that was supposed to "end all debates"? Well, it seemed to ignite them all over again, along with the many links talking about religion that were posted recently. That doesn`t really help lol.
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Female 993
This would be much better if it was layed out and not a video format. Then I could possibly be interested to read this right now this late at night.
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Male 1,766
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO not another one please no more religious debates
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Male 227
Link: The Creationist View [Rate Link] - The great debate is over...so says the person who made this video.
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