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105 Responses to Sex Changes Now Offered for Kids

  1. Profile photo of girlwithnin
    girlwithnin Female 18-29
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    May 21, 2008 at 3:55 pm
    Link: Sex Changes Now Offered for Kids - Now little Tommy really can be just like mommy! And no, this is not a joke or parody.
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    fancylad Male 30-39
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    May 21, 2008 at 3:57 pm
    It`s going to be an interesting next 10 or so years.
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    Sublimed Female 13-17
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    May 21, 2008 at 4:00 pm
    ^Agreed.
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    ghoulie11 Male 18-29
    359 posts
    May 21, 2008 at 4:01 pm
    dokuro-chan anyone?
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    TheBLB Male 18-29
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    May 21, 2008 at 4:03 pm
    that`s unreal
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    AKappy Male 18-29
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    May 21, 2008 at 4:04 pm
    Dad, I`ll tell you what I want for Christmas, but you`re not going to like it.
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    BlackiPod Male 18-29
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    May 21, 2008 at 4:05 pm
    ^Har.
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    Kumquat Female 18-29
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    May 21, 2008 at 4:05 pm
    I think they should wait. I always here about people who are gender confused having horrible teenage years. So most people who get a sex change are kinda obvious, so why would want you child to get teased?
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    itsdrew Male 13-17
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    May 21, 2008 at 4:05 pm
    what has this world come to?
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    theRam Male 13-17
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    May 21, 2008 at 4:06 pm
    i would think that kids who haven`t yet reached puberty would be thinking that they`re the wrong sex or anything. what would be their basis?!
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    JohnnyDude Male 18-29
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    May 21, 2008 at 4:10 pm
    These people need to do a bit more research about transgenderism.

    A child is perfectly capable of determining his or her own gender.

    I cringe to think of the comments some people will make about this video.

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    ThursdayLark Female 18-29
    657 posts
    May 21, 2008 at 4:12 pm
    Their basis is that they`ve always known. That`s the sign of true transgender mentality that you don`t even need to hit puberty, don`t even need to be with the parameters of saying "I don`t like having erections so I wanna be a girl" or "I don`t like how girls act about boys so I wanna be a boy." If you`re a child and you KNOW that you want to be of the opposite gender so undeniably that you`re willing to alter your sex right NOW, that is a very good indicter already that the child may be transgendered.
    Most people who consider themselves transgendered don`t "change their minds" at the news caster said. Many are very serious about the transformation and transgenderism should NOT be confused with a femme boy or a tomboyish girl. It is more evident than that, it it a severe emotional disturbance.
    I had a friend who was transgendered at the age of 7 and her (m>f) parents at the time sought reassignment surgery but they were unsuccessful.

    Kids, par

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    theHUSHSOUND Female 13-17
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    May 21, 2008 at 4:13 pm
    why.... ? !
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    Turnshroud Female 18-29
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    May 21, 2008 at 4:13 pm
    ^^Agreed with first point

    So me being a little tomboyien makes me confused? Even though I like pink, which my sister points out?

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    Nidonemo Male 18-29
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    May 21, 2008 at 4:13 pm
    ...isn`t there a disease we should be curing?
  16. Profile photo of ThursdayLark
    ThursdayLark Female 18-29
    657 posts
    May 21, 2008 at 4:14 pm
    parents, physicians, and psychologist considering these options often aren`t going to pursue these on a slight inkling. These treatments will be for those who are fully sure. Just like reassignment surgery for adults, there will be a criteria and MANY mental evaluations preceding the treatment.
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    Turnshroud Female 18-29
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    May 21, 2008 at 4:14 pm
    Agree witto addh Johnny dude,
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    ak4775 Male 30-39
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    May 21, 2008 at 4:14 pm
    Way to young to make that kind of decision. And what doctor or parent(!!!) would go along with that? You need at least till your mid twenties to figure out who you are!

    I see some sad tran-sexuals in the future...

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    jetmark Male 30-39
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    May 21, 2008 at 4:18 pm
    "tomboys and feminine boys?"
    that anchorman is an idiot.

    There`s been a lot of info out about this lately.
    The idea is to delay puberty until the child can get some emotional grounding and understanding.

    If you delay until age 18, you get breasts or an adam`s apple. not exactly what most children would have to deal with. dunno. it`s a very complex topic.

    "bisexual"? that`s something else altogether.
    the commentator is an idiot, as well.

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    VikingGuy Male 18-29
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    May 21, 2008 at 4:20 pm
    doctors and scientists using any silly little issue they can find to justify their playing god on human test subjects again...watching this really makes you worry about the fking stupidity of some people.
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    staberind Female 18-29
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    May 21, 2008 at 4:29 pm
    um, i worry about the negative sociological issues this vid attempts to spread, not to mention the crass dumbing down america seems to be going through,
    and ak4775, erm, your point is? how about some sad people who are certain they are the wrong gender?
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    EmoGangster Male 13-17
    184 posts
    May 21, 2008 at 4:37 pm
    did anyone else think of this;;

    http://www.geckoandfly.com/wp-content/up...

    ??

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    Kaizer250 Male 18-29
    777 posts
    May 21, 2008 at 4:43 pm
    This is way too risky to try with the current amount of research done on the subject.
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    opiebreath Female 18-29
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    May 21, 2008 at 4:48 pm
    Normally I would say that the kids should wait to make sure that it`s the right decision, but trust me, transgenders absolutely know when they aren`t the right gender.
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    BrainBits Male 30-39
    445 posts
    May 21, 2008 at 4:56 pm
    " If you`re a child and you KNOW that you want"

    That`s like saying "I see what I eat is the same as I eat what I see"

    That`s why children can`t vote, drink, smoke, sign contracts, etc. Children DON`T know what they want.

    Jeesh, grow up before you start with the surgeries and hormone therapy.

  26. Profile photo of ThursdayLark
    ThursdayLark Female 18-29
    657 posts
    May 21, 2008 at 5:01 pm
    "That`s like saying "I see what I eat is the same as I eat what I see"

    That`s why children can`t vote, drink, smoke, sign contracts, etc. Children DON`T know what they want.

    Jeesh, grow up before you start with the surgeries and hormone therapy"

    Being transgendered is physical urge those children see as vital.

    Voting, drinking, smoking, signing contracts are not percieved vital physical urges.

    And next time you don`t think a child KNOWS what he or she wants, ask them if they would like to be in the body of someone of the opposite sex.
    Most will say now, most will KNOW their answer is no.
    It works the same if you ask a transgendered child if they want to be in the opposite sex body. They do KNOW.

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    stevenash Male 18-29
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    May 21, 2008 at 5:04 pm
    evolution???
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    TheBLB Male 18-29
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    May 21, 2008 at 5:41 pm
    Thursday, I`m sure your relationship to this transgendered person has biased you more than enough. How many people are willing to call shenanigans on this stuff anymore?

    Oh wait? It`s a hate crime? DANGGGGG.

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    jasm1548 Female 13-17
    32 posts
    May 21, 2008 at 5:42 pm
    "Wowwwwwww, calm it down lady. I look down when I need to figure out my gender."

    What you`ve got down there is your sex, not your gender. Two different things, which is the whole point of transgenderism, when what`s in your head doesn`t match what you see when you look down.

  30. Profile photo of QueenZira
    QueenZira Female 18-29
    2228 posts
    May 21, 2008 at 5:42 pm
    It`s true, developmental psychology says that small children already have a very firm gender identity by age 2-3. If they need the procedure they will just KNOW.
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    LazyMe484 Male 18-29
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    May 21, 2008 at 5:47 pm
    Haha! Your society is falling appart! and this amuses me. It disgusts me a bit, but mainly it just amuses me. So its all good! But still...

    You know what else is really funny? That retarded post from ThursdayLark!

    The urge to become transgender is not vital. Hell it its not even physical. Furthermore drinking and smoking are physical urges if you`re an addict. None of what you said was right. What really pisses me off is the way you`ve insulted people with real problems.

  32. Profile photo of TheBLB
    TheBLB Male 18-29
    237 posts
    May 21, 2008 at 5:51 pm
    Edit: I don`t just feel I`m asian, I KNOW (apparently caps-locked words make them correct?)

    I want a race change. I can`t work or sleep without one. I feel too trapped. I KNOW I`m trapped.

  33. Profile photo of caboose117
    caboose117 Male 13-17
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    May 21, 2008 at 5:51 pm
    "...isn`t there a disease we should be curing?"
    Amen to that.

    "I feel asian. I want a race change."
    Hah! I`m already asian. Beat you to it.


    I`m a wikipedian protester
    Citation needed.

  34. Profile photo of caboose117
    caboose117 Male 13-17
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    May 21, 2008 at 5:54 pm
    Ya know, soon America will have a pill for everything. People did fine back then, before anti-depressants, no sex changes, all that crap. If we did fine then, why do we need all this now? We`re a pretty spoiled generation when you think about it.
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    wangomango Male 18-29
    77 posts
    May 21, 2008 at 5:55 pm
    Let them decide when they are of age. Kids are not prepared for such decisions. I can understand hormone treatments in some cases, but the surgery can wait until they are a legal adult.
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    fluffyhoob Female 18-29
    195 posts
    May 21, 2008 at 5:56 pm
    too young i think! when i was a little girl i was very boyish...even pretended to be one (lol) as i liked playfighting and stuff and girls weren`t invited in that sort of thing. now though, although im not a girly girl i`m still very glad i am a woman. how many people are the same person they were as a kid?
  37. Profile photo of TheBLB
    TheBLB Male 18-29
    237 posts
    May 21, 2008 at 5:57 pm
    Anyone ever seen "My super sweet 16?"

    Yeah....

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    QueenZira Female 18-29
    2228 posts
    May 21, 2008 at 6:01 pm
    Lazyme: STFU last time I checked Canaduh had transgender people too and BTW it is considered a disorder by the APA meaning it needs treatment aka reasigngment surgery. Grow a brain before you comment.
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    Agentk120 Male 18-29
    510 posts
    May 21, 2008 at 6:13 pm
    I can say I am honestly surprised to see anyone at all defending this on i-a-b. Here I was all prepared to see a whole bunch of ignorance and I`m only seeing a bit. Fight on ThursdayLark.
  40. Profile photo of notpluggedin
    notpluggedin Female 60-69
    262 posts
    May 21, 2008 at 6:25 pm
    F.uck anyone who says this isn`t a physical urge, that it doesn`t need to be done.
    It does, it is a matter of mental health, and poor mental health has a mortallity rate...! SO IT IS LIFE OR DEATH!

    People should think a little. Like a child wants to be transgendered... School is hard enough anyway.

    And we are not talking about people who are tomboys, or femboys. We are talking about the worlds worst birth defect, the wrong body.

    I am thankful that this has happened for the transgender children, it means I can one day bring children into the world feeling a little bit happier knowing that the medical field is taking this issue and treating it while the child has the chance to grow as thier true gender.

    Wait until they are 18? Pah, let them have the childhood as thier needed gender...! It could save lives, it makes for productive and happy people.

    We spend all our time telling children to be who they are then take it away when it suits us.

    GO THURSDAYLARK!!!

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    ThursdayLark Female 18-29
    657 posts
    May 21, 2008 at 6:26 pm
    "You know what else is really funny? That retarded post from ThursdayLark! ... What really pisses me off is the way you`ve insulted people with real problems."

    Irony much?

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    ThursdayLark Female 18-29
    657 posts
    May 21, 2008 at 6:33 pm
    "The urge to become transgender is not vital. Hell it its not even physical. Furthermore drinking and smoking are physical urges if you`re an addict. None of what you said was right."

    Ok. For one, you don`t `become` transgendered so don`t even start with me on none of what I`m saying is right or not. What I say is what I think and what you say is what you think. TO try and debate the "right"ness of anything is a waste of time.

    Drinking and smoking are physical urges for addicts, this is true but they`re normally not in children. Also, if you`ve spoken to an addict that wants to stop, their want of change is quite evident. That same urge of wanting to better your life because something in it isn`t correct is there in transgendered people.

    Manic-depression doesn`t have any physical signs either. Doesn`t take the validity of the condition away.

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    White_Wolfos Female 18-29
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    May 21, 2008 at 6:36 pm
    Hey, if the parents allow it, and it makes the kid happy, why not?
    I can`t really see the child waking up one morning and saying "Oh, darn, I wish I were a girl again!"
  44. Profile photo of jakobe
    jakobe Male 18-29
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    May 21, 2008 at 6:37 pm
    what these kids need is a lot of mental help. born in the wrong body my ass!
  45. Profile photo of notpluggedin
    notpluggedin Female 60-69
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    May 21, 2008 at 6:40 pm
    ^^ Open your eyes.
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    wangomango Male 18-29
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    May 21, 2008 at 6:47 pm
    I like how all the people who support this think they are in the know because they have relationships/friendships with transgendered people.

    Yeah, only YOU know people that are transgendered making you the authority on the subject.

    Do you have training in mental health? Do you have a degree in psychology? I highly doubt it.

    Then you call others ignorant simply for not sharing your views and opinions.


    I guess you have raised so many children that you obviously know way more about child psychology and physiology then anyone else.

    With proper counseling and family support it will not hurt the child to wait until the age of 18 to have such a complex medical procedure.

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    BigWaFuu Male 18-29
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    May 21, 2008 at 6:49 pm
    The idea of sex change for children is disgusting and should be banned. No parent should have the right to drat their kids life like that.

    "Oh mommy wanted a lil girl so OFF WITH YOUR PENIS!!!"

    drat you. And kids shouldnt be allowed to make that decision either because their minds are so impressionable and still developing.

    They dont KNOW what they want. Even at the age of 16, most brats dont know what they want and think they know everything. They will be convinced of anything.

    Transgender this and that. A kid could be told "you werent supposed to be a boy" or "you dont like being a girl right?". They dont drating know. People tell them this.

    A child should not be allowed to make such a life changing decision; And their parents should not be allowed to make it for them

    This kind of poo will ruin families in the future.

  48. Profile photo of notpluggedin
    notpluggedin Female 60-69
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    May 21, 2008 at 6:56 pm
    I have read psychology and know a little about physiology. I might not have a degree in either subject but I am a highly self educated person and I am educated to degree level. I also have also read sociology also and I am personally intrested in social issues, transgender being one of them.

    I have only met one transgendered person, she wasn`t a friend of mine, she was a friend of my then partners family.

    The procedure isn`t done on a whim, the srs surgery would wait until 18 probably DUE TO PHYSIOLOGY...! What they are talking about is delaying puberty and gender counselling as well as living in the desired gender.

    If you read you would know that the process isn`t an over night one, more than one Dr has to be convinced of the childs gender identity and mental treatmeant has to be sought along side before treatmeant is given.

    I support this on the basis that people should be able who they want to be, who am I to tell a person what thier body is?

  49. Profile photo of caboose117
    caboose117 Male 13-17
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    May 21, 2008 at 7:00 pm
    sometimes social darwinism seems a bit appealing... as a Christian, I`d be appalled. As a future engineer, i`m enthralled! yay :D

    let`s try it! our test subjects... canadians? or should we make it the australians. or let`s make it ourselves! that sounds nice. see wat happens wen nature takes course. any1 wana join me? :D

  50. Profile photo of wangomango
    wangomango Male 18-29
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    May 21, 2008 at 7:01 pm
    I like how all the people who support this think they are in the know because they have relationships/friendships with transgendered people.

    Yeah, only YOU know people that are transgendered making you the authority on the subject.

    Do you have training in mental health? Do you have a degree in psychology? I highly doubt it.

    Then you call others ignorant simply for not sharing your views and opinions.


    I guess you have raised so many children that you obviously know way more about child psychology and physiology then anyone else.

    With proper counseling and family support it will not hurt the child to wait until the age of 18 to have such a complex medical procedure.

  51. Profile photo of notpluggedin
    notpluggedin Female 60-69
    262 posts
    May 21, 2008 at 7:01 pm
    And a parent can`t condition a child to be a different gender... the Dr`s would see this and not allow the swapping of gender.
    parents don`t want transgender children, they want the children they birthed, there is a difference between supporting your child and wanting a different sex child. Most parents are happy that thier child is healthy.

    A child can know what they want when its a serious issue like this. Its not a whim like a career or what they want to dress like.

    Its a case of looking down at your body and not lking what you see so much you either want to harm yourself or die.

    Its horrible to think that people feel like a stranger in thier own body, the one thing we all own.

    You want to condem people and children to this self made prison? Thats sick.

    As long as great care is taken not to make a mistake with the cross over of gender there is no problem. Its not your body, its not your life.

    Let people live damn it.

  52. Profile photo of ThursdayLark
    ThursdayLark Female 18-29
    657 posts
    May 21, 2008 at 7:03 pm
    "I like how all the people who support this think they are in the know because they have relationships/friendships with transgendered people.

    Yeah, only YOU know people that are transgendered making you the authority on the subject.

    Do you have training in mental health? Do you have a degree in psychology? I highly doubt it.

    Then you call others ignorant simply for not sharing your views and opinions.


    I guess you have raised so many children that you obviously know way more about child psychology and physiology then anyone else.

    With proper counseling and family support it will not hurt the child to wait until the age of 18 to have such a complex medical procedure. "

    I`m the only one stating I`ve known anyone transgendered. Don`t blanket-bash people. I can`t say this enough when it comes to what you`ve said or your stance on this.

    Did I say I was the only one who knew transgendered people? Did I say I was an authority? I believe in one of my earlier posts I

  53. Profile photo of ThursdayLark
    ThursdayLark Female 18-29
    657 posts
    May 21, 2008 at 7:03 pm
    my opinion.

    I never called anyone ignorant. I never even hinted to that. Have I said anything to the tune of "check your facts"? No. I have simply countered the arguments people have given with what I see as reality.

    I never said I was an expect of any sort on children. I stated my relationship with my friend to share where my views come from.

    It seems that this decision of giving children reassignment surgery only comes after proper therapy and family support. If that`s the conclusion all associated with the case agree with then why is would there be an issue?

  54. Profile photo of FadeToBlack5
    FadeToBlack5 Male 13-17
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    May 21, 2008 at 7:21 pm
    faith in humanity -1.....again
  55. Profile photo of notpluggedin
    notpluggedin Female 60-69
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    May 21, 2008 at 7:27 pm
    ^^
  56. Profile photo of DemonCurtain
    DemonCurtain Male 18-29
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    May 21, 2008 at 7:47 pm
    I`ve grown up with a transsexual parent (pre-operative now). I have to say: These comments sicken me.

    Psychological analysis, even in cases of childhood-transsexualism (which all cases truly are, most transsexuals report "knowing" at an age of five or younger, these feelings often don`t change even at fifty) is extensive. TS people must bend over backwards to get surgery and go on with their lives.

    Transsexualism is a real, scientific thing. And I`ve got evidence to back it up. For example, the activities (chemically) of the brain are different among men and women, transsexuals often exhibit the chemical brain activity of the opposite sex: http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content...

    .....

  57. Profile photo of ThursdayLark
    ThursdayLark Female 18-29
    657 posts
    May 21, 2008 at 7:51 pm
    "And I`ve got evidence to back it up. For example, the activities (chemically) of the brain are different among men and women, transsexuals often exhibit the chemical brain activity of the opposite sex:"

    Exactly. I thought of that when they described transexualism as not a "physiological" issue but chose not to mention it.

  58. Profile photo of DemonCurtain
    DemonCurtain Male 18-29
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    May 21, 2008 at 7:54 pm
    It`s very hard to "trick" a psychologist into allowing an unwarranted sex-change. Potential patients must have a minimum of:
    *3 months min. therapy prior to hormone replacement.
    *From HRT min 1 year continued therapy.
    *1 year "real life test." 24/7 living as opposite gender.
    *2 letters: One from primary PhD. Psychologist, one second individual gender therapist, masters degree or higher (often PhD.)
    *Letter from primary care physician.

    These are the requirements for adults, those for children are even more strict, obviously.

    Some of you may be interested in the DSM criteria and the general Standards of care: http://www.mhsanctuary.com/gender/dsm.ht... and http://www.wpath.org/Documents2/socv6.pd...

    People know, this is not something that any psychologist is going to say "oh isn`t this cute, this kid thi

  59. Profile photo of DemonCurtain
    DemonCurtain Male 18-29
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    May 21, 2008 at 7:57 pm
    Stupid..cut off my post..

    ..thinks theyre a little girl" Psychologists take this extremely seriously, especially with children.

    We knew, you and I were lucky enough, however, to have our sex match our body.

    wangomango - We may not be authorities, but we`ve seen the results, we take our positions because we care about those we see around us. By the nature of transsexualism those around the patient must become educated on the subject (or shun the individual, which sadly, happens enough). Our sources happen to be a bit more balanced and scientific than Joe Schmo at the water cooler.

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    Kisato Female 18-29
    695 posts
    May 21, 2008 at 8:29 pm
    Hmm.. I`m a huge tomboy.... but.. I like my boobs... and... other things...... Anyway, uh, yyyeeeaaaa.... He shouldn`t have said anything about feminine boys and tomboy girls...
  61. Profile photo of thelonious
    thelonious Male 40-49
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    May 21, 2008 at 8:30 pm
    Wow, that`s easy. It`s like most cons, follow the money. Who gets the money here? The psychiatrists/doctors.
  62. Profile photo of PaulaJenel
    PaulaJenel Female 50-59
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    May 21, 2008 at 8:49 pm
    I created this accout simply to reply to this issue. I am Transsexual so you may like to know exactly what its like first hand. First I am now 50 Y/O. I first knew something was differnt at 5 Y/O. To those that say a young child isnt aware, I can not begain to tell you how wrong you are. There is only one proven "cure" for G.I.D. (Gender Idenitity Disorder) (also refered to as Harry Benjimen Syndrome)and that is a gender transition. Transition must be in accordance with the Harry Benjimem International Guidelines For The Treatment Of Individuals With Gender Dysphoria. G.I.D happens indiscriminatly during pregnancy. The most accepted researh is indicating it most likely takes place around the third month of development. All fetesus begain as female in the womb. Around the third month of development a hormone wash takes place that detemines the physical sex of the fetus. If this wash does not occuer at the right time a female brain will develop in a Male to Female
  63. Profile photo of PaulaJenel
    PaulaJenel Female 50-59
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    May 21, 2008 at 8:50 pm
    or a male brain in the eventual Female to Male.
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    B-A-R-B-I-E Female 13-17
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    May 21, 2008 at 8:56 pm
    I cany imagine parents asking their kids "hey, r u sure ur a boy tommy? ur looking kind of gay to me!" i think the kid will know if they wanna have their little bits and pieces chopped off!
  65. Profile photo of B-A-R-B-I-E
    B-A-R-B-I-E Female 13-17
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    May 21, 2008 at 9:02 pm
    wowza! these mini internet fights r gettin intense!
    *bad christopher walken accent*: i a, betting on thursdaylark. she is smart without being rude.SPOOOKY! (SORRY I JUSTLOVE WHEN HE SAYS SPOOOKY! AND YES, I MEANT TO PUT 3 O`S IN SPOOOKY!)8-)
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    PaulaJenel Female 50-59
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    May 21, 2008 at 9:09 pm
    Left untreated you can expect severe depression, anxiety attacks, anger, greatly increased risk of suicide. (Post transition the rate drop far below the national averages.) Now then, to those that say a child does not know let me ask you a simple question. When did you know you were a boy or a girl? Do you say you just know? Well so do Transsexual children. You say the genitals determine the sex of a baby? What about children born with a innersexed condition of ambigious genitalia. The truth is G.I.D. is a nurilogical medical condition, a birth defect. Would you deny corrective surgery to a child with a cleft lip/palette? Then why would you to the transsexual child. The argument about treatment, should Hormone treatment be allowed in children. If you wait until adulthood to begain treatment severe damage has already taken place. In the M to F the secondary sex chariteristics of testosterone are impossible to reverse with out surgery or other painful treatments.
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    The_Maddog Male 30-39
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    May 21, 2008 at 9:11 pm
    You know what, some people here are incerdibly dumb in what they are saying. The whole transgender thing exists. 99% of adults who have had a sex change state they have allways known. I`ve allways known I like girls so why shouldnt a kid know. Dont state kids dont know, it`s a BS argument. There are documented cases of male kids as young as 3 trying to remove their own gentials with scissors because "they know" they a girl (and yes, they have grown up and had the sex change).

    That said, I dont think kids should be getting sexchanges but you try talking to a transgendered 15 year old.

    So again, dont say they dont know what they want. thats a load of bull!

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    richoricho Male 40-49
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    May 21, 2008 at 9:12 pm
    what was that
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    ThursdayLark Female 18-29
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    May 21, 2008 at 9:42 pm
    "wowza! these mini internet fights r gettin intense!
    *bad christopher walken accent*: i a, betting on thursdaylark. she is smart without being rude.SPOOOKY! (SORRY I JUSTLOVE WHEN HE SAYS SPOOOKY! AND YES, I MEANT TO PUT 3 O`S IN SPOOOKY!)"

    Awr! You`re sweet. Thanks. <3

    And Christopher Walken is pretty own, I must say. =)

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    ThursdayLark Female 18-29
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    May 21, 2008 at 9:43 pm
    Also, thanks Paula. Much respect and luck to you.
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    KindlyKat Female 18-29
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    May 21, 2008 at 10:00 pm
    Yah, alright. Let`s remember these are kids, growing bodies, unbalanced hormones, of course their confused... who isn`t? When you`re older that`s fine, but at this point dangerous and I doubt it`s been test throughly. I guess I don`t mind if they they want to change sexes, but the danger factor is just too risky at their age. This is our future we`re talking about.
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    KindlyKat Female 18-29
    427 posts
    May 21, 2008 at 10:04 pm
    Oh and not that this has anything to do with this thread. Has absolutely nothing to do with it--but for the record--I support gays and transsexuals equally. I support gay marriages politically, and I support my gay friends personally.

    So this is literally a fear of their health. Point -blank.

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    ThursdayLark Female 18-29
    657 posts
    May 21, 2008 at 10:22 pm
    " of course their confused... who isn`t?"

    If this is as highly regulated as I think it will be/is, `confused` kids need not apply. If you`re even slightly confused, they turn you away.

    This is not to be taken lightly or on a whim. This is serious and those in a position to O.K. such a treatment will not allow `confused` children to procede.

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    ThursdayLark Female 18-29
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    May 21, 2008 at 10:22 pm
    Those people being physicians, psychologists, family, etc.
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    wangomango Male 18-29
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    May 21, 2008 at 11:04 pm
    I Apologize if I seem overly abrasive, I think surgery on children is extremely dangerous, especially something as drastic as this. three months simply is not long enough, granted there are always exceptions and what not. Now I am in no way comparing this to cosmetic surgeries such as breast augmentation and liposuction, it is the idea of surgery such as this that great care and consideration should be taken before going under the knife.

    I guess I feel strongly due to an unneeded spinal tap done on me at a young age, when the real problem was a torn muscle in the neck.

    Sometimes even the most educated and well meaning doctors can make mistakes.

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    Evanesia Female 18-29
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    May 21, 2008 at 11:40 pm
    And if it`s the parent`s idea.. what if a parent had wanted the opposite sex? Scary thought.
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    DDylan Male 13-17
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    May 22, 2008 at 2:18 am
    I may be a little biased here; I am a 16 year old transsexual that has now gone through puberty so I will NEVER be able to look properly like a boy because I have now got a feminine body.

    Hormone blockers are not allowed here in England; all they do is allow the child to have more time. If the child changes their mind, they can stop taking the blockers and have puberty as normal, just later on.

    For a child to have to go through years of being in the wrong gender watching an alien body form around them, it is a very painful thing. Trust me, I know.

    Suicide rates and self harm are also going to be high. Which is better; parents to let their kid change their gender, or attend their funeral? That`s how serious this is.

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    DDylan Male 13-17
    98 posts
    May 22, 2008 at 2:27 am
    Anyone who`s interested:
    http://abcnews.go.com/Health/Sex/Story?i...
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    no_need Female 18-29
    465 posts
    May 22, 2008 at 2:56 am
    I think that, if you genuinely are transgender, you know it from the get go. Kids know more about sexuality and so on than you`d think. I`d be more worried about people who hit 10 or 11 and suddenly think, I don`t want to be a boy/girl any more. If the kids have been uncomfortable since very young (say preschool age) then something in this vein could be considered, obviously with lots of psycological help and so on. No so hot on the whole delaying puberty thing though... more work needs putting into this before I`d really agree with the whole process, and, tbh, I don`t know if the amount of reasearch would even be worth it with all the life-threatening diseases we could be curing...
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    DDylan Male 13-17
    98 posts
    May 22, 2008 at 3:10 am
    I agree that there are lots of other things like cancer and MRSA that need more attention.

    But don`t forget than transsexualism IS life-threatening.

    It doesn`t have to kill you to kill you.

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    PaulaJenel Female 50-59
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    May 22, 2008 at 7:37 am
    There is some misinformation here. First NO Doctor any where will perform G.R.S. (Gender Reassignment Surgery) until the person is at least 18. As DDylan has said going through puberty in the wrong body is extremely painful. Had he or I been allowed to have treatment early in life he would now have a normal male body and I would have a normal female body. Yes hormones over a extended period will result in being sterile. Guess what? I will be after the surgery anyhow. What about the million`s of people that are regardless? The truth is if you do not live with this you really have no clue just how disruptive it is to our lives. People really need to educate them selves before commenting on subject they know nothing about.
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    Lou-Saydus Male 13-17
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    May 22, 2008 at 9:47 am
    "Normally I would say that the kids should wait to make sure that it`s the right decision, but trust me, transgenders absolutely know when they aren`t the right gender." absolutely true, I think this is great.
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    JeffHatesYou Male 18-29
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    May 22, 2008 at 10:00 am
    Transgenderism is a real medical condition, and it should not be taken lightly. You have to live with your body for your whole life.

    Imagine how hard it would be to be born in the body of the sex you really don`t want to be. I can`t even begin to imagine.

    Everyone, try not to be so narrow-minded. Just because it is something you can`t grasp, doesn`t mean it`s not there and that it`s making people`s lives really miserable.

    To get back to the video: they can get so much more help just by getting this done earlier. They were NOT talking about surgery, but hormone treatment. I`m not sure if they`re talking about delaying puberty or starting the actual transition. Either way, it`s good. It`s best to start as early as possible.

    Much respect to PaulaJenel, DDylan and also ThursdayLark for clarifying some of this.

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    farquaadhnch Male 18-29
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    May 22, 2008 at 10:40 am
    My only question is that I want to know what tests have been done on the treatment that prevents puberty? My only concern is the well-being of the child, and making sure there isn`t any side-effect that would out-weigh the benefits of having more time to decide. I completely agree that when you know, you know, but I just want them to be safe.
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    Nataly Female 18-29
    71 posts
    May 22, 2008 at 4:29 pm
    As a child I used to play with toy cars, I absolutely hated typical girls and loved everything that would a typical boy`s life give me. I strongly willed to become a boy, but more I wanted to be a fly (I remember I would give away everything for that), a cat, a dinosaur... I still get a little frustrated imagining what I will have to face when someday I give birth to my child and bring him or her up. But - guess what? - I perfectly deal with it and I used to think my attitude was natural before I saw the video.
    Please, come on... What the hell is being in the wrong body after all? It`s easy to make up some disorder, but how are you going to state it? I`m not a doctor so I won`t deny the possibility of such a disease but think practical: who among tomgirls or femboys will agree to change one`s gender after a convincing talk on how it`s essential and vital (and laudable for you`re exrpressing your true nature without fear!)? If not everyone, then many, I believe.
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    Nataly Female 18-29
    71 posts
    May 22, 2008 at 4:48 pm
    (continuation) Serious professional investigation? Tell me about it. From what I know, psychiatry didn`t invent anything more serious than a plain talk and a punch of tests showing controversial results. (Sorry, psychiatrists, if such are here, I don`t want to call your science stupid, it`s just not enough exact yet, as I see).
    Finally, even with the best methods it must be nearly impossible to find out a child`s preference because at the time of investigation he/she IS investigating his/her gender special treats and stereotypical behaviour, IS becoming a man or a woman. A newborn has psychichally no gender, his/her mind adapts oneself to the physical one under the pressure (time to hoot) of nature. If a big clever doctor`s pressure comes along anything can get confused. And if there is a real, true, doubtless disorder (which must have place once in at least 50 years, for I have seen and heard of none - here I mean cases consdering 7 year-old children) why can`t such a person just
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    kikayoaka Male 70 & Over
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    May 22, 2008 at 4:57 pm
    Aren`t the right gender?! You guys are dumb-asses. If you`re born a male, male is the right gender for you. Nature doesn`t make mistakes.
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    Nataly Female 18-29
    71 posts
    May 22, 2008 at 5:13 pm
    >deal with it like I did with the fact I will never be a fly (and I did suffer much) - for all the healthy but suggestible children`s sake? In modern US you can have any job, make love to any adult, male or female, say anything, do quite anything... Call me heartless, but isn`t that enough? Is lack of breast or penis so deadly for a civilizated, intelligent, widely educated person who knows that it is mind which is essential for a human, not a body? How can`t a person who is supposed to tolerate other`s lacks tolerate the fact he is not exactly what he would like to be? God, who of us is all pleased with himself/herself? I recall that neat South Park episode in which Kyle`s father decided to become a dolphin - that`s one of the most truthful, I think... I don`t call upon to follow nature or, all the more, God, but why wouldn`t we learn some patience instead of striving for absolutely undisturbed life which is impossible?..
    (Sorry for a long post and not reading all the comments b
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    Nataly Female 18-29
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    May 22, 2008 at 5:13 pm
    >efore posting. Oh...
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    PaulaJenel Female 50-59
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    May 22, 2008 at 7:38 pm
    kikayoaka; Aren`t the right gender?! You guys are dumb-asses. If you`re born a male, male is the right gender for you. Nature doesn`t make mistakes.

    WOW So much hate, and for what. Do you know any transsexual people. Don`t say no so fast because we are every where.

    As for nature makeing no mistakes. Remember the mutated frogs found in Minnesota a few years ago. What about conjoined twins. How many examples should I list.

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    ThursdayLark Female 18-29
    657 posts
    May 22, 2008 at 9:19 pm
    "Aren`t the right gender?! You guys are dumb-asses. If you`re born a male, male is the right gender for you. Nature doesn`t make mistakes."

    Yup. Nature never makes genetic mistakes. Being born without certain chromosomes which causes downsyndrome never happens. It never make prenatal developmental mistakes either. Cleft lips and conjoined twins don`t exist.

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    DDylan Male 13-17
    98 posts
    May 23, 2008 at 3:33 am
    For the people that can`t understand transgenderism:
    I always think it is difficult for you to imagine what it would be like if you wanted to become the opposite gender.

    So imagine this:
    If you are male, imagine waking up tomorrow with breasts. If you are female, imagine a penis. You are still yourself, but you suddenly have the genatelia of the opposite gender. Plus, everyone suddenly starts treating you as that.
    You are not going to be able to adapt, because you would still be male, or still be female.

    That is what transsexuals are like from the day we are born. It is not something that we can live with and get over, and it is not out of vanity or pride or anything else.

    It is real, whatever the lucky people without the problem say.

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    DDylan Male 13-17
    98 posts
    May 23, 2008 at 3:36 am
    "How can`t a person who is supposed to tolerate other`s lacks tolerate the fact he is not exactly what he would like to be?"

    You missed the difference Nataly.
    We may WANT to be someone else. We may WANT to be able to fly or be pretty or whatever.

    But we ARE what we say our gender is. It is NOT a WANT or a NEED even, but it is something that we ARE.

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    03swalker Male 18-29
    60 posts
    May 23, 2008 at 11:24 am
    Right, lets get some things straight on here
    1) Gender and Sex are considered as separate things in Psychology. Gender is hats on the inside, Sex is hat`s on the outside.
    2) Sexuality is a totally separate subject.

    Now that`s out of the way
    Gender disorders are a recognised medical condition, aqnd as such those ho are diagnosed with it need treatment.
    How do you get diagnosed with it?
    By jumping through large hoops - finding a Doctor and Psychologist who have experience with such issues, getting the actual diagnosis, working out how you`ll pay for the treatment which can last for several years. The actual psychological evaluations are rigorous to seperate transgenderism from other disorders that it can be confused with by your average joe.

    Those who have become transgendered often have often said that they knew from a young age that they were in the wrong body, even if they didn`t know such a knowledge had a name.

    Hence I fully support this - as it would make it ea

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    Night_Mystic Female 18-29
    65 posts
    May 23, 2008 at 12:32 pm
    they should wait until they are done puberty to do sex changes because who knows what it will do to their health in the long run. Most of the people who do sex changes now are full grown adults, i think it`d be more beneficial for tranny kids to wait.
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    citadel Male 18-29
    486 posts
    May 23, 2008 at 1:46 pm
    just wow, i agree for a couple of years i woulda done something like thatand now i would have regreted it
  97. Profile photo of Nataly
    Nataly Female 18-29
    71 posts
    May 23, 2008 at 2:34 pm
    >1) Gender and Sex are considered as separate things in Psychology. Gender is hats on the inside, Sex is hat`s on the outside.
    2) Sexuality is a totally separate subject.


    Thanks for bringing a bit of clearness, sorry if I misused some terms, they just don`t differ in my native language.

    DDylan, very clever point indeed, but tell me one thing: where is the border? You see, I suppose there can be none for a little child who hardly even imagine what could his choice lead to, otherwise we would let 7 year-olds choose a profession. Second, I believe (and that`s a scientifical fact) people do not born with developed sexuality, so a normal brain will feel quite comfortable in a token body, if not... Well, I highly greet helping ill people, but I asked you to imagine a real situation - a helping parent and a child who just hasn`t formed yet. Yes, frankly I just can`t trust medicine in this case and think where must be too many mistakes. Besides, I actually poorly understand all t

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    Nataly Female 18-29
    71 posts
    May 23, 2008 at 2:50 pm
    >that fever about expressing some inner, "pressured" nature in US. I let others decide for themselves, but from my extremely conservative and Orthodoxal point of view (which I don`t even mean to impose) a person should take what he`s done - if he cannot do without mutilating his body, well, that`s a weak person. I repeat, I don`t want you to think so and I perfectly understand those who support the opposite idea - believe me! (I just get confused by the scope sometimes, the fact of spreading such things in school really shocked me), but that`s the way I live myself. What a person is, what he wants... Ya know, I could claim I`m a lesbian right now (I have enough proofs by the moment, except for the fact I`m a virgin) and start to strive for my rights, but I just don`t want to. Vagina? Okay! Penis? I would live happily with it. If a person is healthy, he is capable to say the same. Again, I don`t deny that there are some who are incapable, but what bothers me is that the who
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    Nataly Female 18-29
    71 posts
    May 23, 2008 at 2:57 pm
    >whole mass view on world in Europe and in the States seems to claim something different, that the goal of life is to become what you are in all terms. Sounds great, but can you say what you are? I personally think that if I let myself decide that in absolutely all terms, I would only harm myself, all the more today I think this way and tomorrow I think another. If you consider yourself responsible enough to do that, I sincerely congratulate you. Who knows, maybe that`s what liberty means...
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    gorgokid333 Male 13-17
    227 posts
    May 23, 2008 at 3:58 pm
    lol "i dont know this program intamatly" lol

    priceless

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    DDylan Male 13-17
    98 posts
    May 24, 2008 at 1:39 am
    (true story)
    A mother came home one day to find her 12 year old son in the kitchen, holding a knife above his penis saying "I`m gonna cut it off". This was how bad the problems for him and gone.
    His mother decided to take him to the USA where you could pay for a sex change (here in england i think its mainly NHS but hard to get as you cant just pay for it to happen).

    I think the line is drawn on how much stress it deals to the child. However strong you are, some things that happen to one child may be vastly worse than another child could imagine. It would be like saying that an epileptic child was weak for having fits with neon lights.

    I`m not sure myself on the age hormonal treatments should be given. I`d say it depended on the child`s maturity rather than a given age. But hormone blockers would be good as all they do is allow the child to reach an age where their opinions are more reliable.

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    3R1N Female 13-17
    141 posts
    May 24, 2008 at 7:09 am
    I don`t think transgenderism is wrong, but i don`t understand it.
    The gender roles don`t exist anymore, so you could be a feminine man, or a really macho woman.
    But then if its just how they physically look, isnt isn`t it just that you are attracted to the opposite gender?
    I really cant my head around why someone would want to be a different gender.
  103. Profile photo of DDylan
    DDylan Male 13-17
    98 posts
    May 24, 2008 at 8:47 am
    3R1N - you are female (unless you accidentally clicked the wrong one :P )
    Would you prefer to be male or female? If they found out that you had a hormonal problem and were becoming male, would you seek medical help to stop it?

    I am guessing that you would say that whatever, you wouldn`t want to change. You would want to stay who you are; as female.

    I want to have a male body in the same way you wouldn`t. I am male in the same way that you are female.

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    burnin_roses Female 18-29
    289 posts
    May 28, 2008 at 12:01 pm
    To all the poeple saying that these kids just need to go to therapy until they are old enough

    what kind of life would that be going to a person telling you "ok so how do you feel about that" all the damn time, i dont think im another gender but i have been to therapy on my anger problems and poo like that and it pisses you off even more

    so what 3 4 5 6 and so on year old want to sit down with a stranger another adult tell them they have a problem when all that kid wants is what they want

    the child wont be making any of that up they know what the want when they want it, and if the kid didnt think they wernt another gender they wouldnt even think or know twice about a sex change they wouldnt really care that isnt on their top list of things to do in life

    but if a child feels like they are in the wrong sking then yeah they are going to talk about it,

    a child that isnt they reall wont give a dam

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    burnin_roses Female 18-29
    289 posts
    May 28, 2008 at 12:04 pm
    so to all those poeple saying they need therapy, or they need to grow think about now how immature and the teachings they are getting but think about what will be on their top minds wanting a toy at the store or thinking about how to plan their new sex change ( do you really think a child that dont want a sex change would really care)

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