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The school is in the major wrong for exploiting the minors like that. It`s not their job, it`s not what their there for.
This is keith! Would you let this idiot have kids?
Didnt think so!
If kids are gaving sex out of school- theb school can`t go rubbing their nose it it.
That`s called child-abuse. You`re a sick bastard.
Nice find. It`s everything I`ve been saying all along. This weekends worth of threads has really shown us who the idiots are on IAB!
The diction of the list alone shows her stance on homosexuality. By making a distinction between homosexual couples and any other type of couple shows her prejudice.
Here are links to the articles I was referencing:ABC News ReportNBC news report via WOAI newsMTV and Logo owned Gay365 News Report
1.) There were other couples included in this but only one child, Nicholas who was homosexual, had his parents alerted.2.)This particular student had never previously been accused of sexual misconduct.3.)There was no actual sexual misconduct in question for Nicholas. He was simply gay.4.) The conversation did not just include information such as "Your child has been acting inappropriately in school", specific language such as "Did you know your son was gay?" was used instead.
There is also other intriguing information such as the teacher interrupting class via intercom demanding she be alerted of any "hetero or homo" couples.
Outrageous actions. And for anyone who wants to know, the highschool I attended had 3,000+ students and the worse we`ve ever had was a boy expelled for masturbating
Just because you have birthed and raised someone doesn`t give you a handle on thier life. Once they get to a certain age children have thier own needs wants and desires. They aren`t the concern of the parent. A parents job is to look after a child, not dictate to them. Your children are not you, they don`t have to share you life view and the sooner people learn this the sooner we can all move on.
he wasn`t bashing America
1. THEY ARE MINORS. what they are doing is not allowed by law, just because most schools turn a blind eye, it doesn`t make it right.
2. It is not discrimination, as she called the straight kids as well.
3. Your going to a PUBLIC school, meaning anything you do there is on their grounds, so they choose the rules, you do not have to go there, you can go to private or homeschool. If your there, your under their rules, including this.
4. If your so worried about parents finding out, then don`t make it public knowledge. Straight (no pun intended) and simple.
Everyone has a right to privacy.
DrewK: It is the responsibility for the parents to take care of the problem. They first need to know about the problem.
how is this a problem. it`s just making out/sex. either way it doesn`t matter. kids do what they do. a problem would be doing drugs or maybe bringing weapons into the school, but this is normal everyday things that all teenagers do. get over it.
The gay couple did Not, according to the principal herself, engage in public displays of affection.
It was still a huge invasion of privacy. She didnt have to "out" anyone. She should have talked to the students first, then said if it continues she will contact their parents. Wrong wrong worng on so many levels!"
So because Hitler killed the Jews, and other groups, he wasn`t an Anti-Semite?
Sorry for the Godwin, but I am not comparing someone to Hitler, but the analogy is there.
I`m taking a wild guess that you are anti-American. Am I right? We are a relatively young country, the UK and the rest of Europe have had time to develop culturally and socially. I`ve seen videos of the sort of racism happening in the UK. For example some of the black football(soccer) players being called "monkeys" consistently.
I don`t care if you bash all the gay haters and racists/fascists or whatever else, but calling a country repressed really isn`t a necessary comment. Just keep it to yourself. We as Americans don`t like it. And I`m sure you wouldn`t like it if someone bashed England or the UK as a whole.
Just asking for a little of respect. You certainly don`t have to praise the U.S, just don`t make derogatory or unnecessary comments about the U.S
if you were the head teacher and you wanted to read your email...you`d go to
and type in your username as BeasleyDI WONDER IF ANYONE CAN GUESS HER PASSWORD?
The school has no right to across the board accuse students in a couple of "inappropriate public sexual activity."
As a result of poor planning, some students who weren`t ready to come out to their parents for whatever reason now have to cope with EVERYONE knowing; that`s emotionally traumatizing even if the news is well-recieved.
aamelron- this has become a gay issue because people who are gay face persecution that straight people never will.
But I can tll you wher you are wrong. *Points to page top*
I wanna know how many kids have been thrown out of their parents lives` because of this. It happens more often than you think. And if the rest of the kids at school find out?
Coming out is dangerous sometimes and I hope that principal understands that.
Does that make me right? No. Because I have no evidense.
Clearly press sources are less reliable than dogma and gut intuition is.
Why do I need the press? Evidence? When I can just rely on gut intuition and stubborn dogma and then claim that everyone *else* needs the evidence to prove me wrong.
Oh and everyone`s elses evidence is clearly bs; unlike my own gut feelings and my own dogma.
Kids at my school had sex in the bathrooms. Do you think this principal would consider that "public view"? Or how about prom, we had some of those.
Generally, American news is pretty biased against homosexuality- this leads me to give credibility to the news for taking their side. In my opinion, most news sources would not take such a liberal side unless it was legitimate.
But then again, maybe the moon landing was faked. Tell me, Victor, how do you know what to believe? I`m pretty sure you, like the rest of us, combine information from various sources... Then draw your own conclusions.
Our legal system would and has disagreed with you. Children have the same civil rights has any adult.
At any rate, if there were children engaging in inappropriate activites, THEY should have been punished. I have a suspicion this was done with the INTENT of outing the gay students.
don`t snitch on the kids to their parents...they`ll just push you right back
kids make out and whatnot...u cant stop it
You may be right. Where I tend to think this is BS lies in the inclination that the principal was out to intentionally target gays, when in fact her sole intention was just to let parents know what was going on, and in the process she felt obligated to give out both names in order to substantiate the allegation, without considering so much whether it was amoral to do so. I just find it more plausible that the principal was caught in the middle due to perhaps not following standard procedure quite like she should have, rather than assume she had malicious intent and say "OMFG SHE HATES GAYZ AND SHE OUTED THEM, PHUCK DAT B1TCH LETS SUE"
what digusting statements from DrewK and Victor_Watts....
Now, if you don`t mind, I`m going to take brake and drive down to Uncyclapedia where I will create a special little page for iab. And, if I`m lucky it will end up on iab. Anyone willing to joi me?
Fancy lad needs to get all the ladies, 18 or over, of IAB to post their pictures. That way Vic can at least try to confirm he is indeed straight and not in the closest.
I like that idea. there are a few I want to see more of..though I`m not saying who they are.. :-O
She may very well have failed to thwart the sexual activity until it got out of hand, thinking that the instances wouldn`t repeat themselves enough to make an issue out of it - after all, no school wants to portray a bad image.
But then, this is mostly about the gays being picked on.
Therefore, I shall redirect it back.
1) They had no evidence2) They had no right3) They were invading their privacy
Gays are people to you know. And technically, they sort of proved that an excess of estrogen in men and testosterone in women make them more attracted too their own sex…word of mouth from my dad. It doesn’t really prove anything though.
But maybe it cannot be helped; I think that’s what I want to say.
Both US and English law is similar here.Engaging in a public sex act, which includes exposure, masturbation, oral and intercourse, is illegal. It would be the principles duty to report this to the police. If she didnt, she would be failing in her position.
That didnt happen. You lose Victor_Watts.
And sadly the so-called Free USA is a conservative, one sided, Christian, country longing to brainwash and take control.
Furthermore, their authorities are terrible and they are either moderately racist or very racist. Very few are more open-minded.
----------------------------------------------------Turnshroud. Yeah I am dyslexic. I wasnt commenting on your spelling, neither do I claim to be an intellectual. I just have to try extra hard when posting. I`m grade 7 if anyone wants to look it up and learn something. Sometimes my posts..miss words out.
you really dyselxic?
To Microsoft Word I go
I must be missing something. The video says that the school claims "the students were engaging in sexual activity in public view"
Hueey for civil liberties!
The school and media are twisting it all out of proportion. Just think about that before you post anything else!
"Sexual activity" is a phrase often used by the media when they only know enough to say something is going on. Kissing is not sex. The school is wrong, you are wrong and the courts will finnish this one!
So Victor, aren`t you just blindly going along with the story that the school is trying to defend themselves with?
D`oh...there i go, arguing with an idiot again.
But, you don`t know, do you? Like everyone else in this thread, you are convinced by a single media clip that the principal is just come crazy anti-gay loony bin with no regard for job security, while totally disregarding the possibility that the media took items out of context, again. Not many of you like to think for yourselves, do you? Much easier to just blindly go along with groupthink than to put stress on your pot-ridden brains, I know.
What bullcrsp. What typical, conservative American Christian bullcrap.
The principal is definitily a Super Christian or a homophob.
It`s there choice! So unless you see them doing it in a hallway or bathroom...IT"S NONE OF YOUR BUISSNESS!
And Drewk is an ass.
But ya, the States are definirtly behind in many things.
If the world was a diverse school, America would be- ah- obese and mentally challenged.
*Starts singing American Idiot*
Still..I think we should start telling people Fred Phelps will come get them if they misbehave! that old fart is scarier than any boogeyman!
I guess I`m gonna get clawed somewhere now!
And I bet the only "public sexual activity" was making out or a grope or something. That is certainly no reason to call a parent.
and yeah that lady was out of line for outing ANY school relationships. It would have been ok if she had jsut said your son/daughter has been seen with indecent PDA`s at school. That would`ve been great cuz NO ONE wants to see that. But posting a list for the world to see with both members of the relationship is way overboard. If it`s not illegal it`s at least unethical adn they should question whether or not to keep her around. From what I can tell she didn`t even talk woth the students first.Huge fail on her part.
And I hope the people who actually contributed to her list are announced as well. No one wants to be around someone they can`t trust.
"Snitches and Talkers get Stitches and Walkers"
`the principal requested over the school intercom system that all the teachers and staff provide her with the names of students who were a couple, "hetero or homo."`
`according to the ACLU, the list was not as confidential as the school district claims, but rather posted in full view of those who entered the principal`s office`.
The potential witnesses for those incidents would be everyone in the school at the time, and anyone entering the principal`s office (resp.).
If you don`t trust the media, simply wait for a few days and see if ACLU is sued for libel.As a sidepoint, stereotyping female teenagers does not help your argument.
You fail allready. You, DrewK and LillianDulci should just get together and circle jerk each other.
So call it Vic. Make a decision, pick a side and give us some evidence or beliefs to support your statements. Lets have an honest debate rather than a flamewar!
I do find it strange though that there is no referrence that this Principal made calls to OTHER students on this list. Even calling a straight student`s parents to inform them of someone they were dating is not the job of a school official. That would be an invasion of privacy as well. Until she actualy catches someone who was doing something innapropriate, she had no right to call parents. And she did not say, and the school officials did not say, that this gay couple was actualy accused of doing anything. They were not caught in any act of PDA, otherwise there would have other actions taken besides calling parents (suspension, detention, etc.). She had no reason to call ANY of the parents of kids on that list until they were caught...which no one was.
OMG HE DIDNT JUST SAY THAT
yes, I did. Come get me.
I have none - and neither do any of you. That is my point. The video on this site has no evidence. More than likely it is just another media spinjob, and someone wants to sue. Why is this beyond the thought process of you people?
No, actually I have a tendency not to believe the news and that is the basis for my asking for whatever link he wanted to provide as evidence.
Fred Phelps will get you for saying that!
How do we know the accused were just kissing? And if they were just kissing, and kissing is against school rules, how do we know that they were necessarily "outed" as opposed to just being identified in couples, with no malicious intent?
DrewK-As far as i know, at least in the UK teachers arent allowed to notify parents of a childs private life unless its illegal, so kids do have privacy
SmagBoy1- there are plenty of tolerant, open- minded christians out there, most likely she was just a nasty piece of work, not unlike yourself.
It is the typical bastard attitude in this country that is exemplified here - "my principal is a gay basher and is out to get me omg wtf do I do" with little basis to go by.
Maybe if the bastard son just went to class and didn`t spend his time engaging in activities against school rules, he wouldn`t be in this predicament.
You reffered to the gay son as the "bastard son". Now get an adult to hold your hand whilst you play on the internet. It`s obviously to dangerous for you!
I mean, why else out these students? Why in the world would she inform anyone that X person is seeing Y person. If she has a problem with rule breaking, and needs to report that problem to parents like DrewK, then she can and should. But, does she need to list the partner? Does the parent of one child have a right to know the name of the other child? In other words, does DrewK have the right to know if his son is having sex with mine? No! That`s invasion of MY privacy, and my son`s. And that bitch knows it!
So, see, it works both ways. Parents and kids do have rights and those rights extend to parents of the partners, too.
LOL, who the phuck are you, and why are you calling me homophobic? No, I`m not homophobic, but it is clear that your reading comprehension is lacking somewhere.
You can bet the people bringing the case to court have their spindoctors, PR reps, lawyers, etc doing their speaking for them, and you can sure as hell bet that anything you say will be taken out of context by them unless it is professionally worded.
Well McFly, what other students would be listed, besides bisexual ones?
The media uses choice wording to imply that the teacher specifically listed each student in one category or the other, without actually saying that. Likely what took place is that the principal made her rounds and this conversation took place with one parent -
Principal - Hi - your son was found having sex in our schoolMother - Oh? With who?Principal - Let me see... ah yes, Bob Smith
Mother - So my son is GAAYYY?!!!!?11!!!1!?!Principal - Yup, looks like it
Then when confronted about it the bastard son says to himself "OMFG now they know I`m gay, I should sue somebody"
I thought the same thing, she didn`t specify anyones sexual orientation..but if the list is in couples something tells me the parents would figure out that way. No? Also DrewK you`re a moron. I feel sorry for you`re kids if you are not even open about this video that you (we all) know little to nothing about, i can`t even imagine how you react when your kid tells you something.
I`m surprised how dumb people can be.
Oh, Jack and Bill.. hmm that sounds like a straight couple to me, any one else?
Coming out is a monumental moment in a gay person`s life, and it is there right to choose how and when they wish to do it. The principal has no right to do it for them.
Either way, though, it was really unnecessary to specify the sexual orientation or identity of who the students were `misbehaving` with. >.<
Go screw your yourself DrewK.
I hope you rot in a tiny jail cell overflowing with vermin as your obviously screwed up children get mixed up in things like gangs and drugs because you were such non-nice individual, and that your wife cheats on you with another woman.
They are? O_o I never knew that.
This is retarded.
So now homosexuality is a group? Stupid woman. She probably looks at it as a `lifestyle`.
I agree with the Principal, as long as she didn`t list the couple names TOGETHER as many gay children don`t want parents to know or get suspicious (because many are religious conservatives who are close minded fools).
It`s up to the kids to tell their parents who they date, not the school. If it`s something else, fine..it`s a diffrent matter. this is CLEARLY not the case here.
Yeah, Maddog, I`m pretty sure that`s about right.
So children have no rights? Children have no rights to have anything to themselves?
Ah yes...the video...well...It might not have been discrimination because she called straight couples parents too...Or thats what the video said at least. Maybe she`s just stupid 8D. But straight or gay it is an invasion of privacy and she should have handled it a lot better. Someone mentioned before about talking to the students first and warning them, and I agree. Honestly though, if the straight student is going out with someone, their parents probably know. If they gay student is going out with someone, have common sense to leave it alone. Even having a slight chance of outing a student to their parents should make you say "Hm. I should back the hell up off this." because you could cause a whole lot of turmoil at home. And feel like a mean jackass. Wee the end.
as long as they keep jack in his box then every thing`s all good.
It was still a huge invasion of privacy. She didnt have to "out" anyone. She should have talked to the students first, then said if it continues she will contact their parents. Wrong wrong worng on so many levels!
This is blatant discrimination and the ACLU will win this case and the district will have to pay settlements to those outed students. Hopefully, the principal will lose her job, too. Maybe her church can nuture her while she`s unemployed, the damn bitch.