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115 Responses to Driver Refuses to Comply With Border Agents

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    eugenius Male 30-39
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    May 9, 2008 at 3:21 am
    Link: Driver Refuses to Comply With Border Agents - He also claims that the real purpose of these checkpoints is to condition Americans to get used to a police state.
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    Kumquat Female 18-29
    178 posts
    May 10, 2008 at 9:08 am
    Hahah this was kinda funny.

    I can hear you fine mam`m.

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    millamopico Female 18-29
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    May 10, 2008 at 9:09 am
    wow.
    a little out there
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    TrishIsADork Female 18-29
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    May 10, 2008 at 9:10 am
    What was the purpose of that?
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    Webz Male 18-29
    542 posts
    May 10, 2008 at 9:11 am
    What a jackass. If I was her, I`d get some back-up and give him a smackdown.
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    kaptink Male 18-29
    128 posts
    May 10, 2008 at 9:12 am
    kind of weird and confrontational. Not all that funny.
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    oowusum Female 13-17
    160 posts
    May 10, 2008 at 9:12 am
    Just answer the question! He gets on my nerves and I don`t even know him!
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    rebetikas Male 30-39
    213 posts
    May 10, 2008 at 9:13 am
    `Am I being entertained` would`ve been a better question, yes I am.
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    The_Maddog Male 30-39
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    May 10, 2008 at 9:14 am
    Saturday, May 10, 2008 9:11:12 AM
    What a jackass. If I was her, I`d get some back-up and give him a smackdown.
    --------------------------------------------------

    He might be a jackass, but his points valid.

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    jesusgod0 Male 13-17
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    May 10, 2008 at 9:17 am
    No, i get that some people are afraid that they are living in a police state, which is entirely true. But sometimes this is necessary keep people safe and to try and to get guys like that DETAINED.
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    Ajikan Male 18-29
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    May 10, 2008 at 9:21 am
    I LOVE this stuff. sticking it to powerabusers is totaly fun ! its like somehting we had here, where subway guards illegaly held people that didnt pay tickets, acording to law that was at the same level as kidnapping...HA!
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    awesomeloser Male 13-17
    132 posts
    May 10, 2008 at 9:22 am
    what maddog said, he may seem like a jackass, but they can`t detain you without any grounds for a an arrest and if your not being detained you shouldn`t be stopped
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    greenground Male 18-29
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    May 10, 2008 at 9:26 am
    WTF? So......You know what I have no freakin clue.
    I had a comment lined up but that video just confused the drat out of me. He kept asking that damn question and she wanted to say "no, but you can not go YET" which would have lead to a WHOLE new pile of poo. I can only wonder what kinda CRAZY ass historical poo will happen when Clinton/Barack move to office.

    Also she was hott.

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    ianbeany1989 Male 18-29
    205 posts
    May 10, 2008 at 9:29 am
    What a dick.
    The woman`s doing her job, what`s the point in being a difficult rooster about it? She should have just punched him.
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    MeMcMo Female 18-29
    91 posts
    May 10, 2008 at 9:30 am
    There is a reason there are those checkpoints, and if that guy had nothing to hide, he shouldn`t have felt the need to be so confrontational. I am disappointed that the guard let him through, but I suppose she didn`t see another option. But to be perfectly honest, how would she know if someone was really a citizen or just lying? Just a thought.
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    Samela Female 18-29
    192 posts
    May 10, 2008 at 9:34 am
    That guy was stupid. What makes me so angry was that that same guy probably argues that all the illegal immigrants need to be sent back to their countries. Yet he sits there and argues and wastes time and frustrates the officers who are only doing their jobs. What an idiot.
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    REBELComx Male 18-29
    477 posts
    May 10, 2008 at 9:34 am
    YES you`re being detained. STFU.
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    SephirothA83 Male 18-29
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    May 10, 2008 at 9:41 am
    Exactly Samela
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    frankpoole Male 18-29
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    May 10, 2008 at 9:44 am
    That guy should go to Mexico and try to pull that [email protected] I don`t bother going there cause I heard it`s pretty safe unless you run into any cops...
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    keith2 Male 30-39
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    May 10, 2008 at 9:45 am
    i would of got her number instead of being a dick taking pictures
  21. Profile photo of The_Maddog
    The_Maddog Male 30-39
    3369 posts
    May 10, 2008 at 9:53 am
    You all need to decide what you want here.

    The right to be stopped, question and possibly detained on any grounds.

    or

    The right to your freedom.

    It dosnt matter what a rooster the guy was, they had no reason to stop him. I dont know about America, but you cant just stop and question people here in the UK without reasonable grounds to do so, i.e They match a wanted description, they may be a witness, they are in an area the shouldnt be..etc etc.
    Stopping someone just to question their nationality without reasonable grounds is only a few steps away from goose stepping. How long before it just becomes random searches?
    He probably should have just answered her questions and gone about his business, but what about next time he`s stopped and the time after that and so on and so forth.

    Just think about it! Dont say it wont happen because you never know!

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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    May 10, 2008 at 10:08 am
    That guy was a twat, she should have just detained him. Said she thought he was a terrorist or something, no-one would question it.

    And Maddog, with the new anti-terrorism act you can now be stopped and searched by the police at any time for any reason (in Scotland anyway, I think it`s UK-wide). Plus, you can be detained without charge for 24 hours, or something like a month under the terrorist act.

  23. Profile photo of REBELComx
    REBELComx Male 18-29
    477 posts
    May 10, 2008 at 10:09 am
    Maddog. In the US, the cops can pull you over for anything. Even if it`s just to ask a question. America is in the middle of an increasing illegal immigration problem. Especialy considering that we have already caught quite a few terrorists trying to sneak through the Mexican border posing as regular illegal immigrants. The authorities put up checkpoints, not detaining centers, to simply ask people coming through a certain area if they are an American citizen - if they actualy belong here.
    They do this with drunk driving too. They can put up a checkpoint on any street and slow everyone driving on that street and simply ask if they`ve been drinking that night. If they have reason to beleive they were drunk, then they can detain them.
    The woman was just doing her job and protecting our borders. The guy is just a conspiracy theorist who is overreacting.
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    SomaType Male 50-59
    30 posts
    May 10, 2008 at 10:10 am
    If he had simply answered her questions, then it would have been a pointless excercise. His aim appeared to be testing the limits of homeland security-an organization set up by the worst president ever.
    Why is he "a dick"? He was not rude to the border agent, and she seemed uncertain and easily intimidated. Don`t be to keen to give your rights away.
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    Ken_Turner Male 18-29
    15 posts
    May 10, 2008 at 10:10 am
    It`s the drating United States border. It;s sorta cute that these Europeans talk about how that doesn`t happen across the pond, yet I ran into it multiple time crossing from country to country. It`s just simple checkpoints to make sure you aren`t smuggling in drugs, guns or people. Just quit bitching about how the U.S. is run and deal with it. If you don`t like it, then see if they give you any trouble when you leave.
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    tvremote Male 18-29
    447 posts
    May 10, 2008 at 10:13 am
    Seriously, Rebel you just read my mind. Honestly how can anyone support this guy with his annoying attitude. She was a BORDER GUARD. I hate how non-americans are now pretending they don`t have borders or illegal immigration and it`s "police state america" time...
  27. Profile photo of The_Maddog
    The_Maddog Male 30-39
    3369 posts
    May 10, 2008 at 10:16 am
    Acctually...not so!
    Clicky!

    The paper story is far from the reality. Police wont and cant stop you with out reasanoble grounds as the courtcases prove. There needs to be some suspicion to back up the arrest or the police are screwed. All the current arrests are of people who are belived to have links to terrorism through current intel rather that stopping random people on the street and saying "your nicked".

    It has to stand up in court, and this is where it all went pearshaped when the Govement tried to get American on our asses!

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    ne028 Male 18-29
    889 posts
    May 10, 2008 at 10:17 am
    "He might be a jackass, but his points valid."

    his points not valid at all you cant just let random people enter and leave a country

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    The_Maddog Male 30-39
    3369 posts
    May 10, 2008 at 10:21 am
    Ken_Turner. Your kidding right? Immigration is a huge problem in europe. No one has said "It dosnt happen here". I dont think anyone is defending the guys attitude either, my point is I just dont want to live in a country where I`m randomly stopped without a valid reason.

    I guarentee for every freedom you gave up in the name of security, it`s just one step closer to a police state.

    You want proof...

    Read this. This is what has happened in America so far

    Read me

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    The_Maddog Male 30-39
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    May 10, 2008 at 10:25 am
    ne028
    Male, 18-29, Eastern US
    544 Posts Saturday, May 10, 2008 10:17:18 AM
    "He might be a jackass, but his points valid."

    his points not valid at all you cant just let random people enter and leave a country
    --------------------------------------------------

    No one said you you should. Did she have reasonble grounds to suspect he wasnt American?


    Well..I`ve made my point, it`s not my country and it`s your vote not mine that make these things happen or not. I know what sort of country I want to live in, and it`s not one, where as a perfectly law abiding person I am accountable for everything to my Goverment. They are accountable to me.

  31. Profile photo of REBELComx
    REBELComx Male 18-29
    477 posts
    May 10, 2008 at 10:26 am
    Maddog, Your link is a BBC article about a UK law, and does not apply to the US legal system. No one here was actualy arrested. And yes, here in the US you can`t be arrested without a reason. This video though is showing a standard American traffic checkpoint. My previous post is still correct. Also, your 2nd link is an alarmist media article. All of those things listed, save for the video voting machines, happens during any kind of war. And the US is at war with terrorism. I don`t agree with the war or how it`s being run personally. And yes "those who give up freedom to obtain security deserve neither (Benjamin Frnaklin)," but some sacrifices must be made during times of social upheaval. Some people simply are overreacting about what has already been done. A police state will never exist in the United States because there are simply too many armed civilians who would be willing to stand up against such a thing.
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    chrees516 Male 18-29
    156 posts
    May 10, 2008 at 10:27 am
    He`s sticking up for what he believes in. What`s wrong with people who question authority?
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    Iroj Female 18-29
    960 posts
    May 10, 2008 at 10:30 am
    I believe it. I`ve always believed that very slowly we are turning into North Korea.

    One day we are going to wake up and Americans can no longer get out of the country. By then it`ll be too late.

    I for one am already working on my visas to get me the hell out of here before such a thing happens.

    I mean, really, how can people not see how subtly the government is turning into a hard-core police state.

    They locked up a man in California for talking to children in a park (the mothers saw him, freaked out and called the cops). He was arrested, even though he had no criminal records...they called it `preventative measures`.

    No, its thought crimes.

    2009, I revoke I get my visas (ideally) and never look back.

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    Iroj Female 18-29
    960 posts
    May 10, 2008 at 10:33 am
    "that same guy probably argues that all the illegal immigrants need to be sent back to their countries"

    Samela...they do. What good do they do here? Seriously.

    "then see if they give you any trouble when you leave."

    Have you ever been out of the country, darling? They damn near interrogate you cheesy cop-show style when you go through customs.

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    Iroj Female 18-29
    960 posts
    May 10, 2008 at 10:34 am
    "How long before it just becomes random searches?"

    I`m sure you`ve heard about all these `accidental` raids going on in our country?

    ...I really don`t think they are that accidental.

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    tvc15db Female 30-39
    127 posts
    May 10, 2008 at 10:36 am
    The guy was an annoying jerk. He was making things worse than what they were
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    Pastafarian Male 13-17
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    May 10, 2008 at 10:42 am
    I think the guy was just being a dick.
    If he really cared about his freedom and whatnot, fighting the Patriot act would be a much better cause.
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    Gromit45 Male 18-29
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    May 10, 2008 at 10:42 am
    Congratulations, the guy proved that he is an a-hole. If he really wants to accomplish something (not sure what his goal was anyway?), then he should know arguing with a border patrol agent is not going to change anything.

    Later in the video, he goes on to a McDonald`s drive thru window and argues with an 17 y/o employee about how they had no right to remove the McRib from their menu. *eye roll*

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    hunneybear Male 13-17
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    May 10, 2008 at 11:25 am
    i dont get it whats the point of him being a pain?
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    The_Maddog Male 30-39
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    May 10, 2008 at 11:37 am
    REBELComx: You`ve just proven you`ve fallen into the trap. As you said "And the US is at war with terrorism".

    Err and whats the UK being doing a lot longer than the US. We had just sorted things with the IRA and then this happened. We had 7/7 incase you forget, so we know EXACTLY what is going on.
    the problem with a terrorist is, he`s someone elses freedom fighter.

    Think about that, because before long, if things get a lot worse than they are now, whats the diffrence?

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    Iroj Female 18-29
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    May 10, 2008 at 11:52 am
    Hiii Maddog <33
  42. Profile photo of LBlues
    LBlues Male 18-29
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    May 10, 2008 at 12:07 pm
    He`s not a dick. It is never wrong to question authority
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    laylowww Male 18-29
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    May 10, 2008 at 12:19 pm
    police state...oohhh the poor woman see had a rough time with the bad man not complying...
    i highly doubt that any law enforcement ppl are ok, mentally.the whole i have the badge i rule thinking is sick.
    You losers maybe should stay across the pond, since the $$$$ is going down the drain anyway,you are having trouble making ends meet.dont worry,europe will be fine without you.seriously

    stick it to the man!

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    Iroj Female 18-29
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    May 10, 2008 at 12:22 pm
    -pukes on the horrid spelling and grammar-
  45. Profile photo of REBELComx
    REBELComx Male 18-29
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    May 10, 2008 at 12:22 pm
    Plain and simple. You are a government attempting to protect it`s borders from terrorists sneaking in along with a group of people who are constantly, illegaly crossing over.
    You get a tip that at some point, on a certain day, on a certain road, someone will be smuggling illegal immigrants into the country.
    Do you:
    A) set up a CHECKPOINT, to inspect vehicles travling this stretch of road.
    or
    B) Pay no attention to it and allow illegals, possibly terrorists, to cross safely into your country because some comspiracy theorists may feel that by setting up a checkpoint, you are using too much authority.
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    uniquename Male 18-29
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    May 10, 2008 at 12:23 pm
    that guy is just an annoying arsehole with nothing better to do
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    laylowww Male 18-29
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    May 10, 2008 at 12:32 pm
    quote iroj ``I believe it. I`ve always believed that very slowly we are turning into North Korea.``

    -petrified by the stupidity and blindness demonstrated by this remark-

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    The_Maddog Male 30-39
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    May 10, 2008 at 12:42 pm
    Hey Iroj. Liking the new profile pic! Looking awesome! <3

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    Iroj Female 18-29
    960 posts
    May 10, 2008 at 12:54 pm
    Laylow, love, you`ve already filled the stupidity and poor spelling/grammar quota for this thread.

    Thanks Maddog. I had that shot backstage before going out. I loved wearing that dress. I got to keep it, too.

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    grussem Male 30-39
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    May 10, 2008 at 1:14 pm
    Maddog is just a dumb limey c ock sucker with bad teeth, what the f uck does he know about America. STFU you marty feldman look alike.
  51. Profile photo of REBELComx
    REBELComx Male 18-29
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    May 10, 2008 at 1:23 pm
    Hey hey...Marty Feldman was friggin awesome. And there`s no reason to be insulting...friggin Xenophobes. Usualy Maddog and I are on the same side of an argument, and I respect him greatly. Jumping to insults so quickly is one of the reasons the rest of the world is not a big fan of America. We went from Light of Liberty to Laughing Stock. I may not agree with Mad or Iroj on this issue, but I`m not going to insult them. It`s just rude and lazy and really disrespectful. And a lack of respect is what`s really wrong with the world these days anyway.
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    robock Male 18-29
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    May 10, 2008 at 1:33 pm
    wtf? "am i being detained?" why repeating 5 times, she already answered. you`re not detained but you cannot continue without answering the question. imo, this mean he can turn back the other way if he wishes, otherwise he should answer the questions to continue.
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    bubba5658 Male 50-59
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    May 10, 2008 at 1:35 pm
    Iroj, if you need a reference to help get your visa sooner, let me know. I`d be glad to help.
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    Iroj Female 18-29
    960 posts
    May 10, 2008 at 1:38 pm
    Right, Marty, because you`re doing such a great job of showing America in a positive light.

    Bubba, thank you for the offer, I will keep it in mind.

    It turns out that I am actually an EU Citizen. My Grandmother was born in Italy and returned to Italy to have my mother. She gave birth before being naturalized as a US citizen, and by some Italian immigration law it states that citizenship can be passed down to the grandchild.

    All I have to do is collect their birth certificates and marriage certificates, send it to the Italian Consulate and I get my citizenship (or so I was told by the Consulate).

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    The_Maddog Male 30-39
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    May 10, 2008 at 1:43 pm
    grussem. Come back when you have an IQ higher than a cabbage. Really, creating an account solely for the purpose trolling/flaming..what are you 8? Grow some balls allready!

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    st_jimmy24 Female 18-29
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    May 10, 2008 at 1:59 pm
    that guys a douche and just made more trouble for himself, he could have answered the simple question and left
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    AnwarNova Male 18-29
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    May 10, 2008 at 2:14 pm
    Good job. Very good job.
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    insanmonster Male 18-29
    291 posts
    May 10, 2008 at 2:40 pm
    In the United States any officer has the right to search you or your stuff if they have reasonable doubt that you may be up to no good. This can include that you were looking shady...On the Border however any officer is allowed to check your stuff without any cause BECAUSE it is the border...and those of you that say what the officer did was wrong...how about Airport Security! do you think that the airports around the world shouldn`t have the right to check your belongings? This officer had every right to do what she did and because of his refusal to answer her simple question he should have been detained for questioning...It is against the law to refuse to give up your information when asked by a law enforcement officer so in this case the guy who was taping is wrong.
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    awesomeloser Male 13-17
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    May 10, 2008 at 2:44 pm
    An airport is not a state building, by choosing to enter you agree to comply by their rules, America is slowly sliding to a point were you can`t travel if you disagree
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    scott-13 Male 13-17
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    May 10, 2008 at 2:56 pm
    *sigh* another day at i-a-b
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    Dylan5121 Male 13-17
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    May 10, 2008 at 3:10 pm
    What an non-nice individual.
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    Lilteddie704 Female 18-29
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    May 10, 2008 at 3:10 pm
    The sad thing is ... he isn`t actually doing anything wrong... just annoying.
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    Dylan5121 Male 13-17
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    May 10, 2008 at 3:10 pm
    What an asswhole
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    Killaspike Male 18-29
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    May 10, 2008 at 3:33 pm
    The people calling this guy an non-nice individual are going to be the ones to have the goverment sodomize them and say just go along with it and dont make a fuss.

    Dumb drats.

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    flixgirl Female 40-49
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    May 10, 2008 at 4:01 pm
    What a jerk this guy is. She was so patient with him; I would have arrested him for non-cooperation with a US border agent.
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    NASA808 Male 30-39
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    May 10, 2008 at 5:16 pm
    Permanent checkpoints are allowed in areas where there is a lower expectation of privacy.The best example of this is close to the international border.If a checkpoint is set up by the border, then the justification is that it is part of the “extended” border(you have very little privacy rights at a border but this type of checkpoint generally has to be within 100 miles of the border.However,if a permanent checkpoint is set up by the border, it’s scope is limited to its purpose. That means,that if it is an immigration checkpoint,then the agents have to let you go once they have ascertained that you are not undocumented or that you are not involved in alien-smuggling activity.If they don’t have any reason to believe that you have violated the immigration laws then, they have to let you go, even if you refuse to open your trunk or let them make a more thorough search. For a good discussion on this check out the Ninth Circuit’s decision in United States v. Mar
  67. Profile photo of NASA808
    NASA808 Male 30-39
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    May 10, 2008 at 5:19 pm

    A temporary checkpoint is a different thing.In Indianapolis v.Edmond,the Supreme Court held that the police cant make random stops at a checkpoint without individualized suspicion. That is to say, police cant just set up a checkpoint to see if anyone is breaking the law, in general. In 2004,however, the Supreme Court limited Edmond in a case called Illinios v. Lidster. In that case,the police created a checkpoint to find out information about a hit and run accident, stopped the cars very briefly and asked them about the accident. The Supreme Court reasoned that these types of checkpoints were okay because they were meant to gather information rather than to investigate the passengers for law violations. They were investigating a crime in particular and not the passengers in the car. Also check out Michigan Dept of State Police v.Sitz.Thats were the Supreme Court says that sobriety checkpoints are okay.The justification is that there is an immediate danger to the public if there ar
  68. Profile photo of NASA808
    NASA808 Male 30-39
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    May 10, 2008 at 5:20 pm
    are drunk drivers on the road. So, because drunk driving and traffic safety go hand-in-hand then sobriety checkpoints are okay.
  69. Profile photo of The_Maddog
    The_Maddog Male 30-39
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    May 10, 2008 at 5:34 pm
    Drunk driving (often given away by dangerous driving) is diffrent from being randomly stopped and asked your nationality.

    I just saying is all!

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    soigieoto Male 13-17
    234 posts
    May 10, 2008 at 6:14 pm
    wat a retard. you can just go if you say a sentence
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    _Puke_ Male 18-29
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    May 10, 2008 at 6:32 pm
    I like all the comments about "just doing her job".
    At what point should people resist cops "just doing their job"?
    Hitler/Stalin/Mao would be proud of the socialist hell-hole America is becoming.
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    ChestyLaRoo Female 18-29
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    May 10, 2008 at 6:49 pm
    "Am I being detained??"

    "Am I being detained??"

    "Am I being detained??"

    lol priceless

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    Matwix_2004 Male 18-29
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    May 10, 2008 at 6:53 pm
    Admittedly, I was a little annoyed with him, either because of his accent (not a valid reason, but I don`t care) or because he kept repeating the question, but yes, she could have said "You are not being detained, however, for the safety of America, you should answer my question" or something. And yeah, if there was a tip off, then fair enough, his car may have matched the perps car, but as we don`t know the full story, we can`t tell.

    --that guys a douche and just made more trouble for himself, he could have answered the simple question and left--

    He could have, but then he didn`t, because he was sticking up for what he believed in, and if that makes someone a douche, then I am aswell.

    I think both of them are in the wrong, and I agree with what both of them are doing, but either one of them could have just answered the question. So, I don`t like both either. : D

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    ecpkngt Female 18-29
    150 posts
    May 10, 2008 at 7:41 pm
    Umm.... it`s a border crossing, right? Last I heard, ID checks and delays at borders are completely normal.

    And the europeans playing like they don`t have border controls can STFU. I`ve been through plenty of european border checkpoints by plane train and automobile, and I have the passport stamps to prove it.

    The guy should not have been allowed to proceed without showing proof of citizenship. Period.

    And how were they allowing him to snap photos of a border checkpoint without confiscating the camera? I mean, sure it`s just a little checkpoint in the middle of not-much-that`s-important, but that practically screams recon activity by somebody who wants to do something illegal. Try snapping pictures of the customs area in an airport and see what happens to you.
    And no, you aren`t complying with "airport" rules, you`re complying with federal law that the airport is required to enforce.

    Having the right to do whatever you want whenever you want isn`t liberty- it`s a

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    ecpkngt Female 18-29
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    May 10, 2008 at 7:42 pm
    ^^ -narchy

    need more max characters.

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    BFLH Male 18-29
    55 posts
    May 10, 2008 at 7:46 pm
    The guy was 100% correct. They have no grounds for to interrogate. Had he pulled over to the other area, they would likely have tried to search his vehicle without a warrant or probable cause. They can ask you anything they want, but as a US citizen you are under NO obligation to answer. The trick that cops use is to IMPLY that you have to answer, but in fact you do not. If they stop you for speeding, they have NO right to search your vehicle unless YOU give them permission. If they see something suspicious, they may have probable cause, otherwise they need a warrant. The same is true to a lesser degree when it comes to questioning. They need to have a reason to detain you. Most people don`t know their rights, and submit to the police out of fear. The old line "well if he had nothing to hide," is a blatant forfeiture of your civil rights. If we aren`t suspicious of those in power, it will be all that much easier for them to abuse it. Freedom is precious and must be protected
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    ecpkngt Female 18-29
    150 posts
    May 10, 2008 at 7:49 pm
    ^^ IT`S A BORDER CROSSING

    They have every right to search somebody coming into the country! How can he have all the rights of a US citizen when he hasn`t even established that he IS a US citizen?!

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    BFLH Male 18-29
    55 posts
    May 10, 2008 at 7:58 pm
    ^^^ NEGATIVE. It was an "Internal DHS CHeckpoint"

    Had it been a border CROSSING, they would have required passports, customs, etc.

    It was a checkpoint within the US. Semi-Permanent by the looks of it.

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    ecpkngt Female 18-29
    150 posts
    May 10, 2008 at 7:59 pm
    I missed the internal DHS part. What the hell are those, and why haven`t I ever seen one? I thought border control personnel tended to be at, well, the border...
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    BFLH Male 18-29
    55 posts
    May 10, 2008 at 8:03 pm
    They build them where they can get away with it. They persist because citizens cooperate, and tolerate the intrusion on their rights, or more likely, just don`t KNOW their rights to begin with.

    "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety deserve neither Liberty nor Safety" -attributed to Benjamin Franklin

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    ecpkngt Female 18-29
    150 posts
    May 10, 2008 at 8:14 pm
    Hmm...I`m from Washington State, never heard of any internal immigrations checkpoints up here, just the crossings into British Columbia. Now I`m gonna have to go google it. Internal DHS, eh?

    How come I know more about miss Spears than I do about random security checkpoints popping up on our roads? F@!^&$ useless media.

    This guy didn`t exactly bring a reasonable argument up with his useless "am I being detained" repitition. Broken record, really hard to sit through, just made himself obnoxious.

    I might have been, like, oh am I at a border? Must have taken a wrong turn about 2 hours ago...

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    DerekDoom Male 18-29
    221 posts
    May 10, 2008 at 8:30 pm
    "He also claims that the real purpose of these checkpoints is to condition Americans to get used to a police state."

    What Claim we are 2 steps from a police state. Also to the people who say it`s for border Protection, If It really is ask your self why are there still Millions of illegal immigrants in the country still? Because They aren`t for those things, they are to make you sued to being searched for no reason (here they say it`s for the above mentioned reasons) and be herded like sheep. For those in Europe & the US for that matter they are talking about having these at every STATE border but reason for that? National Security they say. It`s a bunch of Bull Sh*t Never sit and let your freedoms be taken away! Fight For what is guaranteed by this nation Founding fathers!
    "Every generation needs a new revolution." - Thomas Jefferson.

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    mmneely932 Female 50-59
    25 posts
    May 10, 2008 at 8:31 pm
    If he doesn`t want to admit he`s acitizen of the US let him move somewhere else and see how much of that bs he can get by with. Shame on you, you dick head!
  84. Profile photo of BFLH
    BFLH Male 18-29
    55 posts
    May 10, 2008 at 8:39 pm
    ^^^
    That`s just it. He`s an American and wants to be treated like one. That means no unconstitutional detention or search. THEY NEED A REASON TO DETAIN OR QUESTION HIM. He isn`t under any burden to prove he`s a citizen, it`s the Border Patrol`s burden of proof to show that he isn`t, but only through proper means, for example, they need probable cause to detain and question him. He`s not being a dick head in any way, he`s just requiring the USCPB to adhere to their legal boundaries. They obviously aren`t used to people knowing their rights, and as you can see, get flustered when confronted with someone who does. Just because he`s not playing along doesn`t make him a dick head. He wasn`t being rude or abusive, he was just observing his rights. You should try it some time.
  85. Profile photo of Maeter
    Maeter Male 18-29
    24 posts
    May 10, 2008 at 9:23 pm
    You`re right, they do need a reason to question his citizenship; possibly not complying and saying the same darn thing over and over again? You`re right, I too might have been flustered if someone was holding up a line by not willing to follow a procedure, no matter how wrong it may be, and refusing to budge.

    He maybe not be a dick to you, but he appears to be a jerk to me. He wanted to prove his rights at the expense of other people, who just want to deal with that stopping point and get on with their lives. He has a right to argue with it, but his actions express it in a negative light.

    I would have had no qualms with him if he didn`t waste everyone`s time by refusing to roll down his window, question her, then repeat the same thing over and over. Am I being detained? Am I being detained? Am I being detained? Am I being detained? Am I begin detained? Am I being detained? Am I being detained? Am I being detained? Am I being detained? Am I being detained? Am I being detained? Am I

  86. Profile photo of BFLH
    BFLH Male 18-29
    55 posts
    May 10, 2008 at 9:50 pm
    There really is no way to deal with the checkpoint in a positive light, as he is refusing to cooperate with the agent. No matter what he does, it will be construed as confrontational. By being assertive in the situation, he effectively demonstrated his knowledge of the law, and that he was not going to comply. Completely fine and justified. If your only complaint was that he wasn`t "nice enough", then you have your priorities SERIOUSLY confused. Infringement of civil rights is a VERY serious matter, and need to be addressed in the most stern manner possible. He was simply treating the agent as she was treating him. He had not reason to be "nice" to her in any way, shape or form. He did only what he was required to do, and gave her a reality check in the process.

    So,I say again: If you are upset that he wasn`t nice to her, you are missing the bigger picture. He was in the right, and beat her at her own game. It`s a serious matter, and he conducted himself appropri

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    BFLH Male 18-29
    55 posts
    May 10, 2008 at 9:51 pm
    appropriately.
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    patticakes Female 18-29
    463 posts
    May 10, 2008 at 10:02 pm
    Guy`s an non-nice individual. She`s just doing her job. I thought she was extremely patient. He`s an idiot. It`s about time our borders are scrutinized.
  89. Profile photo of Cashcleaner
    Cashcleaner Male 18-29
    319 posts
    May 10, 2008 at 10:40 pm
    Here`s the thing:

    If he was at a US Border crossing, he would have the fullest authority to ask him those questions and could detain him if unsatisfied with those answers. I don`t believe the Border Patrol has the jurisdiction to man these internal checkpoints.

    I have my doubts of the point-of-view that it`s a way to help create a police state, but sounds like a legitimate issue with jurisdiction. Shouldn`t the local police or highway patrol be in charge of such checkpoints?

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    awesomeloser Male 13-17
    132 posts
    May 10, 2008 at 10:42 pm
    most of the SS officers stated they were just doing there jobs at Nuremberg, just because someone is attempting to do their job doesn`t make them right, especially when their work is unconstitutional
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    norwegian Male 18-29
    80 posts
    May 10, 2008 at 11:11 pm
    what a douchebag
  92. Profile photo of Invalok
    Invalok Male 18-29
    724 posts
    May 11, 2008 at 1:05 am
    So if your a complete ass hole with a camera you can get through Border Patrol checkpoints?
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    Chicago_Bear Male 30-39
    1 post
    May 11, 2008 at 1:59 am
    What an non-nice individual! Some people only want to start trouble. She should have dragged his ass out of the car and beat him with his camera.
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    Lathyris Male 18-29
    65 posts
    May 11, 2008 at 2:45 am
    Jerk. They should have detained him and searched the vehicle. Seems like he was hiding something. People have too many rights in this country and just because they can easily intimidate the authorities for fear of being sued, criminals can get away with so much.
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    Devi3000 Female 18-29
    1497 posts
    May 11, 2008 at 3:03 am
    That was not a drating border crossing. Are you people dumb? They have these in Arizona too. drating 150 miles away from the border. This guy may be an non-nice individual, but border patrol has no right to stop him at all. None, unless he is leaving or entering another country via said border. He had no reason to do anything she said unless, he was being pulled over for suspicion by a police officer. These check points are just a small part of what is going to ruin this country.
  96. Profile photo of laMigra77
    laMigra77 Male 30-39
    292 posts
    May 11, 2008 at 3:24 am
    This officer has every right to question this idiot pursuant to section 8 USC 1357, no warrant needed, no probable cause. Although by not answering the basic question that would get him on his way, mere suspicion arises and is enough for her to search him in secondary. Running an interior immigration checkpoint is a violation of 18 USC 758.

    Ruining this country?!? How about human traffickers that enslave women as prostitutes, illegal aliens soaking up free healthcare, criminal aliens having sex with 10 year olds? Oh, none of you mind that huh?

  97. Profile photo of BFLH
    BFLH Male 18-29
    55 posts
    May 11, 2008 at 6:26 am
    Actually, they need reason to suspect the driver is involved in illegal activities. The BP does NOT have carte blanche to disregard the constitution. Read 1357 again. They need probable cause, they are not exempt from the process just because they are Border Patrol. And NO, refusing a search or questions does absolutely NOT give them probable cause for a search. They, like other LEOs, can only execute warrantless searches if they have probable cause to believe there is illegal activity.
  98. Profile photo of BFLH
    BFLH Male 18-29
    55 posts
    May 11, 2008 at 6:32 am
    Human trafficking and illegal immigration are both destructive to the US, but sacrificing our basic rights to stop them is NOT the way to solve the problem. We are just trading one set of problems for another.
    And I can`t believe that people on here actually advocate beating this guy because you think he was a "jerk". That`s the height of stupidity. I suppose you would think it was fine if a cop hauled you out of your car and beat you for no other reason than the fact that he thought you were being "rude". If that`s the kind of country you want to live in, try moving to an actual 3rd-world sh*thole where the cops CAN do that, and see how you like it.
  99. Profile photo of LtFurpie
    LtFurpie Male 30-39
    1013 posts
    May 11, 2008 at 8:33 am
    What an a-hole that guy is. He demands answers from her yet doesn`t answer her questions. That kind of logic seemed great when I was in the 2nd grade. Filibuster my arse. He should have been arrested.
  100. Profile photo of BFLH
    BFLH Male 18-29
    55 posts
    May 11, 2008 at 8:41 am
    Arrested for what? He did nothing illegal. What you are proposing is illegal and an abuse of authority.
  101. Profile photo of BFLH
    BFLH Male 18-29
    55 posts
    May 11, 2008 at 8:58 am
    Arrested for what? He did nothing illegal. What you are proposing is illegal and an abuse of authority.
  102. Profile photo of Neagle
    Neagle Male 30-39
    1405 posts
    May 11, 2008 at 1:47 pm
    **Not legal advice, just words of wisdom**
    Laws very state to state. In New Mexico any state law enforcement officer has the right to conduct check points for DUI as well as license and registration checks. These points must be listed in a local news paper 24 hours before the check. A New Mexico state law enforcement officer may not ask the legal status of an individual under Governor Bill Richardson`s executive order. The sick douche bag that he is. A federal enforcement officer is powerless to search a non commercial vehicle without consent of the owner without probable cause. They may stop you but, they may not detain you without cause unless you are entering the US at a border point, airport dock or station. These "check points" are with-in the so called internationally sanctioned buffer zones and are usually 40 miles in country. remember when asked the question "Have you had anything to drink today?" your answer should always be no.
  103. Profile photo of Groogle
    Groogle Male 30-39
    2172 posts
    May 11, 2008 at 1:52 pm
    We are a police state. Live with it stupid criminals.
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    londoncallme Female 18-29
    112 posts
    May 11, 2008 at 3:18 pm
    I don`t see why you people are only looking at this in retrospect of the immigration part. The Border Patrol is in charge of not only checking to make sure that people have the right info to prove citizenship (i.e. passport or visa) but also they can see if anything illegal--like drugs--have crossed the border. They are here to protect our borders from people that could hurt us or are breaking our laws. I should know, my parents are both border patrol agents.... I want to show them this video for this female agents stupidity. She shouldn`t have let him through. And his refusal to answer her simple question--which was probably just in regards to him showing some form of identification--was enough for her to send him to secondary. (she did mention that in the video) He was just being an ass and didn`t understand that the reason he was being sent to secondary inspection is because his behavior is enough to make him suspect in some way. His behavior was deplorable.
  105. Profile photo of BFLH
    BFLH Male 18-29
    55 posts
    May 11, 2008 at 4:00 pm
    Once again, refusing a search is NOT GROUNDS FOR A SEARCH. I don`t know how many ways I can say this.
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    laMigra77 Male 30-39
    292 posts
    May 11, 2008 at 4:25 pm
    Refusing to answer identity questions at a checkpoint is grounds for a search and noncompliance or impeding an inspection is a violation of 18 USC 111.

    BFLH: How is this an abuse of authority?!? Immigration checkpoints are legal in this country and are constitutional. The US has the sovereign right to protect its borders and any NEXUS to the border, i.e. a certain distance within the interior.

  107. Profile photo of BFLH
    BFLH Male 18-29
    55 posts
    May 11, 2008 at 4:39 pm
    It depends on where in the interior this checkpoint was. If she required documentation about his citizenship, and had the authority to request them, she would have stated so. Instead, she went on a "fishing trip" and tried to bluff him into revealing info that he didn`t need to legally tell her. When cops have the authority to do something, they do it, they don`t try and convince or coerce you into it. You notice the agent didn`t force the driver into the secondary, she didn`t call for backup. She knew she had no grounds for a search or interrogation, and had no power to do anything else. The driver knew it as well.
  108. Profile photo of vkdee
    vkdee Female 30-39
    59 posts
    May 11, 2008 at 7:06 pm
    Who was that friggin idiot?! She shouldn`t have let him pass with an attitude like that.
  109. Profile photo of sgdp
    sgdp Female 18-29
    553 posts
    May 11, 2008 at 10:47 pm
    I can`t be bothered to read all the comments. This guy did the right thing. Very inspiring! The zoning of these "checkpoints" has now been moved 100 miles north of the US/Mexican border. The Government wants to move it another 100 miles north. Mind you, in these zones, they claim the Constitution does not apply!

    And if you think they should be "protecting our borders"...COME ON. The gov. obviously has ZERO intention of protecting our borders. We`re over trying to establish and protect borders in Iraq, while our own country falls apart.

    REVOLT! REVOLT! REVOLT!

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    sgdp Female 18-29
    553 posts
    May 11, 2008 at 10:57 pm
    laMigra77: Any "law" passed that violates our Constitution is null & void. For example, every "Presidential Executive Order" is null & void.

    And note this, also: if he had REALLY been doing something wrong, would he have been allowed to drive off? Obviously, the BP thinks they can dupe people into letting them search their private property, etc. This is just like old Nazi Germany.

    PAPERS PLEASE!

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    sgdp Female 18-29
    553 posts
    May 11, 2008 at 11:03 pm
    And as Benjamin Franklin once said:
    "They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security."
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    ANCB Male 18-29
    176 posts
    May 12, 2008 at 1:33 am
    Good for him. I too like having some freedom.
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    drohalloran Male 18-29
    8 posts
    May 12, 2008 at 8:22 am
    This jerkoff should be flogged. What a loser, creating his own episode of x-files. Right now four other losers are convinced JFK, Elvis and Redd Fox are alive and well, acting as puppet masters to torment this dork.
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    pmarren Male 40-49
    4575 posts
    May 12, 2008 at 8:57 am
    I was hoping she`d blast a hole in his face just because he was an irritating "Michael Moore" wannabe. He probably humps chickens and eats his boogers too...
  115. Profile photo of Stiletto
    Stiletto Male 18-29
    95 posts
    May 12, 2008 at 2:21 pm
    What a douchebag. She should have detained him after all that bullpoo. She showed incredible patience with someone looking for a fight.

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