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"They said to Jesus, "Teacher, this woman was caught having sexual relations with a man who is not her husband. The law of Moses commands that we stone to death every woman who does this. What do you say we should do?" They were asking this to trick Jesus so that they could have some charge against him. But Jesus bent over and started writing on the ground with his finger. When they continued to ask Jesus their question, he raised up and said, "Anyone here who has never sinned can throw the first stone at her."" - John 8: 4-7
Also: "Don`t judge other people, or you will be judged. You will be judged in the same way that you judge others, and the amount you give to others will be given to you. "Why do you notice the little piece of dust in your friend`s eye, but you don`t notice the big piece of wood in your own eye?" Matt. 7:1-3
We are not called
"Now it is clear that no one can be made right with God by the law, because the scriptures say, `those who are right by God will live by trusting in Him`. The law is not based on faith. It says, `A person who obeys these things will live because of them.` Christ took away the curse the law put on us. He changed places with us and put himself under that curse. It is written in the scriptures, `Anyone whose body is displayed on a tree is cursed.` Christ did this do that God`s blessing promised to Abraham might come through Jesus Christ to those who are not Jews. Jesus died so that by our believing we could receive the spirit that God promised." - Galatians 2:11-14
The law was written for the Jews. We are not commanded to follow it any more. You have read these parts of the bible but not understood them. We are free of the curse of sin which is the law because Jesus died. That is the message of the Bible. If we were supposed to follow it now, Jesus
caboose, maybe that is what the bible is TRYING to say, but that is not what it DOES say. it does say that you should execute the people.this may not be the intended interpretation, but the book being the only evidence we have, any interpretation is correct. (given the historical context it was written in, probably the literal interpretation is the intended one)
And remember that just because someone tells you about their beliefs, it doesnt mean they are ramming it down your throats and you dont have to listen. Also, in response to an earlier comment saying that christians should not say that only their faith is true, the truth of one religion rules out the truth of another. Truth is absolute, two things that contradict eachother cannot both be true. My faith says their is only one God and tells me not to accept the existence of another God, therefore I cannot accept that another faith is true. I will respect this other faith, but I cannot say it is true.
thankyou for readingXD
p.s. "Never gonna give you up..." HILARIOUS!
anyway, wats up with rickrolling lately? last month i`ve been rickroll`d at least 15 times, last year, i didn`t even know what it was..
From what you`ve said, either I worded my answer badly or you misinterpreted. We Christians believe each and every part of the Bible as important as the other. The Old testament is context to the New testament, we believe in the things Jesus say, the Old Testament builds up to him. Christians follow the things he does, so in the old testament, God told us to kill, but in the new, all humans, including non-christians are forgiven for their actions. We Christians should not do any harm, we were taught by Jesus to love our enemies, to do onto others as we want done to ourselves (please don`t say your emo), and we believe that each person Christians included are just
What the passages were trying to say, they`re pointing towards destroying evil, rather then the people themselves. Their is more meaning behind the passages, God is not trying to have us kill people who are infidels, because if that`s the case, we`d have to kill ourselves as well. We believe (or at least should) that every Christian is just as sinful as an athiest.
Also, what is the purpose to living this life, if it`s just a circle of ups and downs? Why would i live it if the only reason to live is just to meet some other meat/water bags and to congregate meat/water bags and to die with these meat/water bags?
Let`s all enjoy watching the silly man annoy the Westboro Baptists. We can all agree that those people are awful, right?
No, you`re supposed to execute them as infidels, and at the same time not judge them. Welcome to the wonderful world of hypocrisy and contradiction.
As for the video....I`m going to have to find a place to download this song, put it on my iPod, and blare it walking down the street in a `You just got Rick Rolled!` tee shirt! Then i`ll be annoying EVERYONE! :D
But it wasn`t.
either way I have every confidence that Rick has given out `something` in his lifetime :P
LOL.. I woulda got it.. see the above youtube video .. LOL
I`d buy it, but I already blew my whole paycheck on the "jesus tortilla" :P
"im not your buddy, guy"but thought the reference would have been lost... my life is now full of regret :(
im pretty sure it says somewhere in the bible that anything that comes into contact with a burnt offering becomes holy.... i could make a killing on ebay with some tapwater and a baked potato
back on topic..
I saw the episode of southpark last night about Canada going on strike.. It featured the chocolate rain guy, the numa numa guy, the laughing baby, the star wars kid, the dramatic chipmunk, and a few others.. BUT NO RICK ROLL!!! I was entertained, but a little disappointed.. lol
i am very critical of christianity , but very forgiving of islam. i think i do this to try and counter out the massive cultural bias here (in reality i view them identically)
on topic: RICKROLL LOL!!1
You know what Relax.. I completely understand that.. It bothers me a lot the way that people use people`s beliefs to control, or manipulate them.. I hate the way that evangelical preachers on television ask for money, or sell God SWAK (200 dollar donation buys you a piece of the `true cross`.. yeah, right.. a bottle of holy water.. uh huh..) .. It`s a perversion of a beautiful thing.. and condemnational preaching does more harm to the cause than good.. I`m sick of the hypocracy.. but I wont let it allow me to dump the whole idea of a creator, and an ultimate purpose and destiny..
perhaps most people do feel the same way, it is a pity that the numbers of people that dont are still too great to allow legislators to raise the issues with confidence
and I realize how way off topic this has gotten.. LOL
it is a just pity that most people dont feel the same way as you minjofu :(
I explained this to lilkrnboi1018 earlier. You`re fine. You have the freedom of mind to think rationally. But your religion (which you do not follow to the letter) is not good, since it preaches the opposite of what you do.
I`ve got no quarrel with you, it`s just the religion you indirectly represent.
And.. I believe that two people who love each other, and want to be commited in mind, body, and spirit to each other should be allowed to do so.. The doctrinal side of my religion conflicts with this belief.. but, it doesn`t change the way I feel in my heart.. I don`t know what that means for me ultimately, but it`s not something I feel guilty about..
If I, as a christian, feel this way.. I think it should be taken into consideration that many christians feel this way.. and so christianity as it is now, in this modern world, is as deserving of respect as those two people who wish to be married to each other.. I guess thats the point I`ve been trying to make all along..
so to minjofu, THAT is one of the terrible abuses christianity has heaped upon me: forbidding me to marry (pretend for the moment i am gay)
No.. I wouldn`t attack you as a human being.. and to be honest it`s not so much about wanting people to stop doing what their doing.. I know, it`s funny.. I sometimes feel the need to speak up for other people.. Which is likely what you feel the need to do as well.. and I respect that.. It`s a touchy feely notion perhaps, to want to see everyone being able to make their feelings known, and have those feelings respected, but you can`t blame a girl for trying ;)
Yeah, I`ll concede to that.. It`s looked upon differently when you`re actually IN christian circles.. Trust me, I know a few hardcores who belive I`ll be rotting in the pits of hell. My objection has nothing to do with the lack of a theist belief, but with the idea that in some way anyone who does practice or apply a religion to their everyday life is somehow less intelligent, or ignorant, and must be `saved`, or informed of their terrible mistake..
i wasn`t saying you don`t have a right to be heard, i was criticizing you for (what appeared to me) to be you saying we didnt have a right to be heard
"Spouting regurgitated theories from well known athiests""unlike faux intellectual rhetoric spouted on an internet forum.. which NO ONE will remember you for.."sounds like personal attacks to meand by that i mean, attacking the person making an argument rather than the argument itself
i didnt mean "attack" in the hurtful sense
I can`t say much for anyone else, but personally.. I haven`t been to church in almost 7 years.. yet I still consider myself a christian..
and yeah.. I`m done with this line of talk.. I just realized I`m arguing with someone who is almost a decade or more younger than me. I have no idea what sort of terrible abuses christianity has heaped upon them.. That was foolish, immature, insensitive and I apologize. God bless..
ps. your "true" is superfluous, anyone that chooses to label themselves as christian, is a christian
1. Perhaps, without religion, all the time spent mindlessly memorizing rhetoric in church can be put to better use.
christianity has all that poo in ireland, and in abortion clinics in the US
again, noone cares about chrisianity specifically, just religion as a whole
please dont attack catbarf for using an example that has been used before, it is a good example and if it needs attacking, then go for it directly rather than catbarf for using it.
noone really does research into disproving god, and the number that do are insignificant compared to the massive amount of money / effort put into proving god / spreading his word
"faux intellectual rhetoric spouted on an internet forum.. which NO ONE will remember you for.."
what? i dont think either mine or catbarfs motivation is to be remembered by IABers. we are merely making our views known and trying to have a discussion, my the same way you are
simply because an example catbarf made has been made before doesnt make it a worthless example, however criticizing him because of it certainly is worthless; indeed your whole post above was pointless, and by extension: my post now.
please lets end this line of discussion nowno more p
All religion is guilty, not just Christianity. Islam has suicide bombers and constant fighting in the Middle East. Christianity has the Crusades and Inquisition, among other events.
When is the last time you heard of a christian suicide bomber? I mean, if I`m wrong about this I`m more than willing to admit it if you can present accurate proof.
I never specified you in particular, the `you` was meant as a third-party declaration.
As for religion being outlawed- I`ve heard it suggested that atheists be declared enemies of the state. And which has caused more violence, grief, and bloodshed in human history? Religion or atheism?
Yeah, we all know about those atheist suicide bombers- they go around blowing themselves up for no reason.
First off.. I`M not trying to get any of MY beliefs made into laws.. I haven`t heard one christian in response to any of your anti-christian rants say "there ought to be a law...".. Nope.. but I HAVE heard the phrase "they should outlaw religion"..
People are fine. Their beliefs, not necessarily. I`ve got no issue with you or anyone else so long as they don`t act unreasonable- but I am against theism in general.
Consider Russel`s teapot- If I were to suggest that there is a teapot (One too small for a telescope to see) currently sitting in the orbit between Earth and Mars, you could not disprove it. But if I were to state that I am absolutely convinced that exists beyond a shadow of a doubt, or that because it cannot be disproved it is illogical to deny it, would you not think me insane?
Uh, no. As Jesus says in the Bible, `I come not to replace the teachings of your fathers and prophets, but to complete`. You insist that I ignore context. The Old Testament exists to provide context for the rest of the book. You can`t just say `We don`t follow that` and ignore half the teachings of the Bible.
It`s no longer free speech when you are trying to get your beliefs made into law, as is the unfortunate case in the US where religion has an extremely large amount of control.
"hm.... what WOULD be the meaning of life? as science goes furthur on, we discover that happiness is just chemicals and hormones, feelings are just different impulses, so on, so forth. so the things that make you happy, is just one chemical moving from Point A to Point B. or maybe an electrical impulse. something of the sort. although you may find some other meaning, Christianity is the meaning I find. and well, rickrolling people. that`s good too."
Believing in no god means I value my life and others lives more. If I kill someone, they aren`t going to live in paradise. And since I have no afterlife, I`ve got to make this one count.
ill just take this moment to point people back my first post.. i was specifically referring to the quotations catbarf made, not the bible as a whole
caboose, you are heading in the direction of a much more interesting and worthwhile discussion than what is currently a rather pointless (and seemingly misunderstood) argument, ill maybe follow it up after this post
and there seem to be a lot of christians in this form who don`t want obedience, or supreme rule.. they just want to be respected as people.. A spiritual belief is a strong thing, and becomes very personal.. You attack that part of a person, it makes them feel rotten.. Live and let live is the message..
this is 100% correct
i dont give a poo what people believe, i do give a poo when i see reason to be afraid about how their beliefs affect me
this is irrelevant to the x% of christians out there that dont elect leaders based on their religious views, which will inflict the limitations of those views onto me
if you feel you are part of that %, i sincerely apologise if i have offended you
anyone has a guess at what % that might be?
also, I don`t tolerate injustices and irrational killing, nor do i tolerate forcing people into anything. What I don`t like is when people generalize Christians into one big category of bigotry, I don`t think I`ve ever forced anyone into anything, and what I believe in are peace and the things Jesus taught. anything wrong with that?
When Westbro attacks!
minjofu, you think the quotations catbarf made need to be tolerated?
if that`s what atheists believed then what would state would predominantly atheist countries (like, oh, half of europe) be in?
just because there isn`t a god doesn`t mean life is worthless! in many atheist`s eyes it means it is worth more
catbarf is entirely correct to criticize these parts of the bible. even if they are meant metaphorically (which they clearly aren`t) HOW THE drat CAN YOU EVEN BEGIN TO DEFEND THIS DISGUSTING EVIL BIGOTED poo?!
Also Ross, if God is a metaphor, then we`re just biological things, our only purpose is to reproduce. Why aren`t you trying to have sex? Isn`t that your only purpose? Produce offspring? What`s the use of learning if it only means you`ll die?
Also, Adam and Eve could be more literal, Cain and Abel happened to stumble upon cities, meaning God probably didn`t just create two people. Their could have been others, a whole lot at that, and it was never fully explained. Also, you only took examples of metaphors, Jesus was an actual person, he wasn`t just a metaphor, Isrealites are real people, hardships they faced really happened, there are real things that happened.
Also, the instructions to kill people you gave were all with the exception of the passage in Romans
No, trying to enforce your beliefs on others by incorporating them into the legal system is not free speech.
I don`t have a problem with that, and I wouldn`t care if they did that. It`s the fact that their signs don`t say Jesus is great, their signs say:God hates fagsThank god for 9/11thank god for dead soldiergod hates americaand much moreplus they protest at soldier`s funerals
Owned. By Fox News.
Not at all. Quite a few of these are very explicit instructions in Deuteronomy and Leviticus.
In order- Deuteronomy 17:12, Exodus 22:17, Leviticus 20:13, Leviticus 20:27, Exodus 21:15, Leviticus 20:9, Leviticus 20:10, Leviticus 21:9, Exodus 22:19, 2 Chronicles 15:12-13, Zechariah 13:3, Deuteronomy 13:13-19, Deuteronomy 22:20-21, Deuteronomy 13:7-12, Deuteronomy 17:2-5, Leviticus 24:10-16, Deuteronomy 13:1-5, Romans 1:24-32, and Exodus 31:12-15. Have fun.
"and also, most of the bible should be taken metaphorically, if you haven`t noticed"
The references to the Earth being flat are just metaphor.
Adam and Eve? Metaphor, there`s not enough genetic variation with just two people.
Explicit instructions to kill people? Oh, come now, it must be metaphor.
God? Obviously metaphor.
See where this is going?
as a final note, here are some references to the biblewww.smouch.net/lol
If you get your religious philosophy from South Park, you`ve got a long ways to go before becoming even remotely credible.
"as a Christian, I`m proud to see what Dynmitrave wrote. Not many Christians even understand their religion like we do. It is even written in our book. "LET HE WHO LIVE WITHOUT SIN CAST THE FIRST STONE"."
It is also written in your book that you must personally kill people who don`t listen to priests, witches, homosexuals, fortunetellers, kids who disrespect or hit their parents, adulterers, fornicators, followers of other religions and non-believers, false prophets, women who aren`t virgins when wed, blasphemers, people who work on the Sabbath, or the children of any of the above. I`d say you`re the one who doesn`t understand your own religion.
No, because atheism isn`t a religion. You are correct that it is less ignorant than any religion, though.
Wanna fill us in?
Are you saying that the way people can treat another person so cruel is pathetic. (or the video itself, lol)
meaning that racism video
Some Christians just need to get that grilled onto their skins. Don`t pass judgement on someone because they believe differently than you. Treat him as your brother, everyone is entitled to their opinion and beliefs.
Stop making us look bad.
Anyways, that guy is my new hero.
Christian Extremists? It`s in the Quran that there were other prophets other than Muhamid, Islam is the least ignorant of the religions.
jxl180: Some European might say that but I agree, lots of racism in good old England too.
Let me back something up with a little thing called Spain:European Racism
World of Warcaft forums :p
God doesn`t hate people. We all sin.
Evolutionism can co-exist with creationism.
I may disagree with your views about whether there`s a God or not, but that doesn`t mean I`m gonna start yelling about how you`re going to Hell. No arguments are ever won that way. So many Christians use circular arguments and fire-n-brimstone to plead their case that it makes a bad name for the ones who do have a brain cell or two and can have a reasonable discussion.