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Date: 04/15/08 11:34 AM

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  1. Profile photo of Noobfruit
    Noobfruit Male 13-17
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    April 15, 2008 at 11:39 am
    Religion is becoming stupid lately imo :/
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    MadP Female 18-29
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    April 15, 2008 at 11:42 am
    I know right? Poor teachers. I`d refuse to teach idiocy, too.
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    toxicshark Male 13-17
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    April 15, 2008 at 11:42 am
    that`s not fair. why should she teach something unscientific in a science class? if they wanted someone to teach creationism hire a religious education teacher
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    luckyaxolotl Male 18-29
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    April 15, 2008 at 11:44 am
    She didn`t even refuse to teach ID, she just forwarded an email about a lecture on evolution.

    This is total BS, keep religion out of science. Goddamn fundamentalists.

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    whyaskwhy Female 13-17
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    April 15, 2008 at 11:45 am
    the caption for this post is inaccurate and extremely difficult to understand

    that is messed up
    also the music was scary

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    JimHxn Male 13-17
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    April 15, 2008 at 11:45 am
    Well, of course, i`m sure the Religious Education teacher also teaches the evolutionary theory, no doubt.

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    EstiloPanama Female 18-29
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    April 15, 2008 at 11:46 am
    The thing is, you can be Christian AND believe in science. I don`t understand what is so hard to understand about that. God is the scientists of all scientists, teacher of all teachers. So, naturally, God, science and evolution go hand in hand.

    "Religion is becoming stupid lately imo"

    Honey, ever since time began, the idea of Religion itself has been a stupid concept.

    But I think in schools, "Creationism" should not be enforced....because you`re trying to teach the kids about the science aspects, not the religious side.

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    philippic Male 18-29
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    April 15, 2008 at 11:46 am
    Oh well.
    she`ll member next time....

    *winks*

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    Rhinosaur Male 18-29
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    April 15, 2008 at 11:47 am
    Hasn`t this happened a 1,000 times already since the Scopes trial?
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    yankee15 Male 30-39
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    April 15, 2008 at 11:54 am
    Haven`t these people ever seen Inherit The Wind?

    Religion sucks!

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    The_Maddog Male 30-39
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    April 15, 2008 at 11:54 am
    Like this shocks me.

    American Fundie Christians. Bringing stupidity to the masses!

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    Yoma4 Female 13-17
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    April 15, 2008 at 11:55 am
    A teacher got `expelled`. :o
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    ayame88 Female 18-29
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    April 15, 2008 at 11:57 am
    This is getting truly ridiculous. Everyone knows ID has no scientific proof to back it up. It is not science, it`s pure religion. If you`re gonna teach it, do it in churches, not in schools.
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    dibens Male 18-29
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    April 15, 2008 at 11:58 am
    Another FAIL for American school system
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    LadyWeasel Female 30-39
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    April 15, 2008 at 12:00 pm
    O.o
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    Rhinosaur Male 18-29
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    April 15, 2008 at 12:00 pm
    yankee15, EXACTLY!
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    Johnny_Blaze Male 18-29
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    April 15, 2008 at 12:02 pm
    No dibens, incase you didn`t read, it said Texas. The majority of the American School system is doing fine. Maybe I`m blind, I didn`t see the part where it said, Science teacher fired from American school system.
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    Lixa123 Female 18-29
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    April 15, 2008 at 12:02 pm
    MEGA FAIL.
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    killamop Male 13-17
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    April 15, 2008 at 12:02 pm
    she should have been fired if she refused to teach intelligent design in class that means she is not doing her job.
    but if she is fired cuz she thinks creationsim is right but still did her job then it is wrong.


    haha american schools sucks

  20. Profile photo of EstiloPanama
    EstiloPanama Female 18-29
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    April 15, 2008 at 12:03 pm
    I just had some strawberries with sugar, and it was SO GOOD!
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    catbarf Male 18-29
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    April 15, 2008 at 12:05 pm
    Estilo, the Bible states in quite explicit terms that not adhering to its holy word will sentence you to eternal torment. It`s easy to see how fundamentalists would would believe that science and religion are mutually incompatible.

    Science then agrees with them. Religion is entirely incompatible with science in that it is the antithesis of science. It requires blind faith in things that have never had any evidence, and forces those who follow it closely to either twist and distort any new scientific finding to fit their predetermined worldview or discard it entirely.

    Intelligent design is simply a front for creationist beliefs. It, unlike evolution, has no evidence. The entire reasoning behind ID can be summarized as such:

    `I read it in a book so it must be true. Furthermore, I read other stuff in the same book so they must be true as well, and this goes along with them. So it has to be correct, and evolution is wrong because my book says so.`

    Insanity at its finest.

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    Mantolwen Female 18-29
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    April 15, 2008 at 12:06 pm
    Wish we got taught ID in my school :(. Science can tell you all about what makes up something, but can`t tell you its purpose. Science and religion - even 6 day creation - are totally compatible. And I support the teaching of evolution in schools `cos I think kids should make up their minds for themselves. They should get both sides.
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    catbarf Male 18-29
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    April 15, 2008 at 12:08 pm
    Killamop, there is no more reason to teach Intelligent Design in school than there is to teach about the Flying Spaghetti Monster or Invisible Pink Unicorn or Last Thursdayism. It is not a refusal to do her job.
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    catbarf Male 18-29
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    April 15, 2008 at 12:09 pm
    "Wish we got taught ID in my school :("

    Intelligent Design is not science, and has no place in schools at all. This isn`t a matter of choosing between two equally valid ideas, this is choosing between one idea that is supported with mountains of evidence and research, and one that has no more evidence than the fact that some people thousands of years ago put it in a book.

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    RelaxEnjoy Male 18-29
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    April 15, 2008 at 12:15 pm
    i was praying just now and the FSM told me a massive debate was about to happen....
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    proof1221 Male 18-29
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    April 15, 2008 at 12:17 pm
    religion causes nothing but problems. catholics have sexual abuse. christians just suck and muslims fly plans into buildings
  27. Profile photo of EstiloPanama
    EstiloPanama Female 18-29
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    April 15, 2008 at 12:21 pm
    "Estilo, the Bible states in quite explicit terms that not adhering to its holy word will sentence you to eternal torment."

    I don`t know...there`s a few ways to see God. One major way is to see him as this horrible thing that loves to play with people`s lives, or you can see him as a forgiving friend you can talk to. Either way, it`s your choice. I mean, it`s even a choice to wipe out his existance from your mind altogether! Religious freedom runs rampant.

    Evolution should be taught in schools because it`s based on science, which is hard facts as opposed to what some may call `blind faith`. But in the end, none of us are one-hundred percent right or wrong...so it`s hard to say if it`s wrong to believe in both Science and God at the same time. I find it very easy, but maybe for a Fundamentalist, it`s quite impossible. It all depends how you interpret (or ignore) the Bible.
    But to each their own...some believers are hardcore, some are not, some don`t believe....such is

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    Tekno Female 30-39
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    April 15, 2008 at 12:25 pm
    Such a touchy subject here. Without science, we`d be in the Dark Ages. I was taught evolution all my life & to suddenly just rewire to think that the world was created by an entity is a constant battle. I sometimes wonder if I should`ve just stayed an agnostic.
    Anyway, that`s off topic. The fact that a teacher got fired for not teaching creationism is wrong. She`s a SCIENCE teacher, FFS. I hope she does fight this & wins.
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    duckinfuh Male 18-29
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    April 15, 2008 at 12:26 pm
    Creationism is not science. It is not compatible with science. Science is the investigation of natural phenomena through observation, theoretical explanation, and experimentation, or the knowledge produced by such investigation (American Heritage Science Dictionary). Where is *any* of that in creationism? You could argue "theoretical explanation" up and down, but what about observation? Experimentation? Investigation?

    Keep creationism out of my science classes. That`s all I have to say.

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    Bekll Female 18-29
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    April 15, 2008 at 12:26 pm
    I hate Texas. 9/10 religion conflicts like this are in Texas.

    Look, Creationism has NO evidence for it - it`s not science. It`s rubbish. A fairytale. Why should we be neutral to bs like this? Especially when it comes up in a science class?

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    digitalmaste Male 13-17
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    April 15, 2008 at 12:28 pm
    The Flying Spaghetti Monster guy should make an appearance here and fight for the FSM to be taught alongside Intelligent Design. Because they really have the same logic behind both.
  32. Profile photo of EstiloPanama
    EstiloPanama Female 18-29
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    April 15, 2008 at 12:28 pm
    ...life. (Got cut off!)

    Religion and schools should be completely separated. You can`t make people `pray`, or make them feel obligated to pray if they don`t believe. You can`t be like, "Okay, God made the sun, and the Earth...." and so on and so forth when there`s maybe an America Indian student in the class who believes that a certain spirituality formed the Earth out of a strawberry leaf. It`s disrespectful!

    I believe what I believe. The same with you. (The person reading this). It makes us who we are.

    The bottom line is this:

    Lighthouses are more helpful than churches.
    -Benjamin Franklin

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    eeeriddler08 Female 13-17
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    April 15, 2008 at 12:31 pm
    retarded. completely retarded..
  34. Profile photo of Bekll
    Bekll Female 18-29
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    April 15, 2008 at 12:31 pm
    "So, naturally, God, science and evolution go hand in hand."
    Uh... no.
    Evolution is complexity from simplicity.

    God is complexity from complexity. God never evolved. God is supposed to be the most complex thing ever.

    The two do not go together.

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    diceywawrz Female 13-17
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    April 15, 2008 at 12:33 pm
    the weirdest part about this video wasn`t only the music, but also when that cartoon flashed really fast at about the middle part of the video.
  36. Profile photo of EstiloPanama
    EstiloPanama Female 18-29
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    April 15, 2008 at 12:33 pm
    "So, naturally, God, science and evolution go hand in hand."
    Uh... no.

    Like I said, it`s up to everyone to decide this. It`s not up to you to decide for me.

    I choose to believe that God created Science. So "um, yes"...

    To me, it holds true. To you it does not. What I believe makes sense in my mind. What you believe makes sense in yours. Do I know you? No. Do I know what experiences in life have brought you to your conclusions? Or vice versa? No, and no.

    What I choose to believe is my personal decision. A gay person is not going to turn `straight` just because YOU told them that it`s wrong to be gay. Life experiences have led them to be gay (or maybe it was just a choice!) But either way, you have no say in their lives, or in mine.

    So to me, I am right. To you, you are right. Some people here do not understand this. This is what causes conflict...the lack of respect for other people`s choices.

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    EstiloPanama Female 18-29
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    April 15, 2008 at 12:34 pm
    "the weirdest part about this video wasn`t only the music, but also when that cartoon flashed really fast at about the middle part of the video."

    Yea, I noticed that too...it was kind of creepy in a way. I even back-tracked and paused to see what it was, and it was just that cartoon from earlier in the video.

    Odd...

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    KimonoThief Male 18-29
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    April 15, 2008 at 12:36 pm
    First off, the American school system is just fine in most places. Although it may boost your Euro-pride to think otherwise, it`s simply a case of some poorly chosen school administration. Let`s remember that 8 out of the top 10 universities in the world are American (http://www.online-universities.us/top500universities.htm)

    Contrary to popular belief, science isn`t just what some f*ckwit from the Discovery Institute says it is. If you accept creationism (ahem, I.D.) as science, then you ought to accept alchemy, astrology, and numerology as well.

  39. Profile photo of RelaxEnjoy
    RelaxEnjoy Male 18-29
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    April 15, 2008 at 12:38 pm
    i dont choose what to believe
    its just obvious
    i couldnt `choose` it any other way
  40. Profile photo of BrainBits
    BrainBits Male 30-39
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    April 15, 2008 at 12:41 pm
    All those little bumps on your head, too!

    Why can`t God have created something that is capable of adaptation?

    Why can`t God have created a single cell animal/plant/whatever that mutated over time?

    I think it`s hilarious to see fundamentalists get all bent out of shape over the idea that the birds that can`t drink out of the flower because their bill is too short die out and that`s why the birds in the area have long bills.

    MY GOD CANNOT CREATE SOMETHING THAT IS CAPABLE OF SURVIVING! MY GOD CREATED EACH AND EVERY SINGLE CREATURE OUT THERE DAMMIT AND I`LL NOT HAVE IT ANY OTHER WAY!! (hands over ears) LALA LALALALA LALA I AM NOT LISTENING TO YOU LALALAL ALALALALA

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    stevenash Male 18-29
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    April 15, 2008 at 12:42 pm
    huhu...American religous and scientist extremist fighting over each other...
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    BrainBits Male 30-39
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    April 15, 2008 at 12:43 pm
    Tuesday, April 15, 2008 12:38:46 PM
    i dont choose what to believe
    its just obvious
    i couldnt `choose` it any other way

    ========

    You DO choose to believe, though. You can also choose not to believe. Ignorance is a choice. Not saying you`re ignorant, just saying that it`s a choice.

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    BrainBits Male 30-39
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    April 15, 2008 at 12:44 pm
    Tuesday, April 15, 2008 12:42:31 PM
    huhu...American religous and scientist extremist fighting over each other...

    --------------------

    Yeah, but let`s see which bring the better bomb-vests.

  44. Profile photo of EstiloPanama
    EstiloPanama Female 18-29
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    April 15, 2008 at 12:45 pm
    "I can go get my Zoology, advanced Biology, and whatever other science books I have in my house and start typing all that`s in there. "

    Dainty, please don`t! I`m remembering how I had to memorize every single little thing in a cell, and describe in complete detail how photosynthesis works...and the dissection of a cat...ahh!!!! College preparatory science courses in high school sucked!

    ;P

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    Pooptart19 Male 18-29
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    April 15, 2008 at 12:46 pm
    Mantolwem, are you retarded? "Let kids decide for themselves"? Well if we`re going to do that then I guess we can teach the `Earth Flat Theory` too and let the kids decide for themselves. Your reasoning is moronic.

    Science: Based on observation, testing, and fine-tuning.

    Religion: Based on myths and fairy tales that when presented with evidence to the contrary, they simply say "I have faith." Faith is bul!$h*t, and religion as a whole.

  46. Profile photo of EstiloPanama
    EstiloPanama Female 18-29
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    April 15, 2008 at 12:50 pm
    "You DO choose to believe, though. You can also choose not to believe. Ignorance is a choice. Not saying you`re ignorant, just saying that it`s a choice."

    Exactly. A kid could grow up with a Mormon family, and then at 17 decide that it`s not for him, and that he would rather be agnostic. Or he could stay Mormon. Or he could worship Satan. Or not believe in Satan. Or he could pretend to fly off to the star of Kolob and meet God. Or he could just become a nudist.

    "i couldnt `choose` it any other way"

    Maybe there are some Catholics out there who think that since they were born Catholic, they must stay Catholic, so even if they are not believers, they feel forced into the religion, and feel that they...

    : couldnt `choose` it any other way :

    To them, it makes sense. To you, does it? No, right? So we choose according to what makes sense to us. Not according to what an outsider tells us, unless that is what we chose to accept.

    It`s all about choices, people.

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    caboose117 Male 13-17
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    April 15, 2008 at 12:50 pm
    "The bigotry of the nonbeliever is for me nearly as funny as the bigotry of the believer."
    -Albert Einstein

    Although I believe that religion and ID should not be brought into schools at all, I still think people should stop being bigoted to the believer.

    I`m not going to explain why the Bible isn`t trying to say "everybody is going to hell for not adhering to the word" because i`ve said it 50 or so times. Just try not to be bigoted to all Christians, just the annoying ones like in the above post.

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    Willowpuff Female 18-29
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    April 15, 2008 at 12:51 pm
    Keep religion out of EVERYTHING.
    Has no one religious notices this "belief" (because it`s not a fact) is ruining EVERYTHING?!
  49. Profile photo of caboose117
    caboose117 Male 13-17
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    April 15, 2008 at 12:52 pm
    er post as in the link...
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    Foob Male 40-49
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    April 15, 2008 at 12:54 pm
    Religion isn`t science.
    Science classes teaches science. (hence its name)
    Thus firing said teacher is logical, if a bit harsh. A warning should suffice.

    So called intelligent design, should be presented in either philosophical or religious classes.

    Believe whatever you wish to believe, just be professional about it, yes?

  51. Profile photo of EstiloPanama
    EstiloPanama Female 18-29
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    April 15, 2008 at 12:55 pm
    Dainty, I love science too...but dissection is/was not cool at all! But yea, science is involved in everything. What I think is cool is how everything we know of and use in the world came about from what was here in the first place: The sky, the oceans, and the Earth. I think we can all agree that it`s awesome how we as people have come to make airplanes, cars, plastic, metals, and all sorts of things just from the very simple, basic factors that are Earth. It`s a very awesome thing.
    And the more we learn about it, the more we learn about ourselves and even our futures, as far as advances in science and technology goes.
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    rifter Male 30-39
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    April 15, 2008 at 12:55 pm
    There is no black and white difference between evolution and creationism. Science and religion CAN coexist. Science is just a method of proving a theory. Just because it can`t be proven perfectly doesn`t mean it`s not there. Has evolution been proven inconclusively? Nope. That`s why it`s still called the *theory* of evolution. Look up theistic evolution and you`ll see why a lot of people are trying to have creationism taught in school.

    Eventhough I am a Christian, I don`t believe creationism should be taught in a science class. However, the woman got fired for not teaching the curriculum, not for her beliefs. When a teacher starts out the school year, they are given a list of subjects they must teach, which is usually approved by the school board before given to the teacher. If they refuse to teach it no matter how much they disagree with it, they get fired.

    Also, writing that sentence over and over and then erasing and then drawing a big X was just a bit too dramatic.

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    elHadji Male 70 & Over
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    April 15, 2008 at 12:58 pm
    Anyone want to bet on how many posts there are left until Overman joins the debate?
  54. Profile photo of EstiloPanama
    EstiloPanama Female 18-29
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    April 15, 2008 at 12:58 pm
    I`ve known some Mormons like that too Dainty =(

    It`s very sad for them to fear their families abandoning them over something stupid as religion...

    It`s good you broke away if it was something you knew in your heart was not for you. You know what`s right for you and your life. Other people do not make that choice for you, as you know.

    It`s a very awful thing, though, when fear keeps you away from following what your heart feels is right.

    =(

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    Focusfired Male 18-29
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    April 15, 2008 at 12:59 pm
    for those saying "i hate texas" "this stuff always happens in texas"

    keep in mind, my state is the epitomy of the bible belt...science is going up against a battalion with a whiffle ball bat from the get go.

    overall though, this type of extreme conflict in texas schools isnt as prolific as everyone thinks...each one just gets a lot of hype.

  56. Profile photo of EstiloPanama
    EstiloPanama Female 18-29
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    April 15, 2008 at 1:00 pm
    LOL Rifter, I am totally on your boat there....I agree with everything you wrote on your last post!

    Woo hoo!

    And who`s Overman?

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    Johnnyk123 Male 18-29
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    April 15, 2008 at 1:01 pm
    I love how people post these video`s on IAB.

    "LOL LETZ BASH RELIGOOON"

    It`s f*cking ridiculous. This is the only problem I have with Atheism. That they see fit to bash anyone religious, and anything that has to do with religion. Based on the fact that we have little to no evidence to support our claims.

    "AMG! RELIGION HAS CAUZED NUTHIN BUT PROBLEMZZZZ"

    Anyone who says that is a moron. Sure, religion caused some problems a long time ago. I.E. the crusades, the dark ages.

    Wow, so a teacher gets fired for not teaching ID. Big deal. I can guarantee that if it were the other way around in this scenario, this would not have been posted, and you guys wouldn`t be saying Sh*t. Double Standard?

    And as for for ID not being science; sciencewas originally defined "science (from the Latin scientia, meaning "knowledge") refers to any systematic knowledge or practice."

    Science does not have to be a physical practice, but has to pertain to the pu

  58. Profile photo of CrazyGerman
    CrazyGerman Male 18-29
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    April 15, 2008 at 1:01 pm
    that is not right. evolution is a substantiated fact. creationism is purely religion and should stay out of public schools.
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    Johnnyk123 Male 18-29
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    April 15, 2008 at 1:03 pm
    pursuit of knowledge.
  60. Profile photo of EstiloPanama
    EstiloPanama Female 18-29
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    April 15, 2008 at 1:04 pm
    FocusFired..I have lived in Texas for 7 years before moving away..and one thing I can say I hate about Texas is the drivers!

    I mean, just WOW.

    And the science/school religion debate is always huge. I know in our High School, they banned prayer, then they gave us a `moment of silence` I guess to reflect on.....I have no idea what...haha. I guess to pray if you want to pray, and just space out if you want to space out...

    And always a group of hardcore Christians would meet around the flag pole and pray before School starts... I Guess in defiance? Or devotion? I am not sure. I just didn`t like how some kids were a little too....dramatic.

    I don`t know, it`s just such a big debate.

    But yea, I am sure all over the country, and even the world, debates of religion, school, and country abound....not just in Texas like an Ignoramus would like to believe...

  61. Profile photo of caboose117
    caboose117 Male 13-17
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    April 15, 2008 at 1:05 pm
    "Well, I do not think that it is necessarily the case that science and religion are natural opposites. In fact, I think that there is a very close connection between the two. Further, I think that science without religion is lame and, conversely, that religion without science is blind. Both are important and should work hand-in-hand. It seems to me that whoever doesn`t wonder about the truth in religion and in science might as well be dead."

    -Albert Einstein

    Well, should I trust random people in their mid 20s to mid teens, or should I trust Einstein...

  62. Profile photo of Focusfired
    Focusfired Male 18-29
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    April 15, 2008 at 1:05 pm
    johnnyk so you`re saying religion hasnt caused any of the conflicts over in the middle east? ( not even mentioning 9/11 etc, just the numerous issues over there between countries)
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    Johnnyk123 Male 18-29
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    April 15, 2008 at 1:06 pm
    That`s the problem. Evolution is "fact". Science has the immunity to being "wrong".

    Scientific theories are not theories at all. But facts.

    A scientist could pull the largest piece of poo out of his ass at any time, and it would be right, regardless.

  64. Profile photo of caboose117
    caboose117 Male 13-17
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    April 15, 2008 at 1:06 pm
    I don`t want religion to ever be pushed onto people, but hey, I`m not going to bash your beliefs, you don`t bash mine. ok?
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    Johnnyk123 Male 18-29
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    April 15, 2008 at 1:07 pm
    9/11 was caused by religious EXTREMESTS!

    Muslim extremest to be precise.

    Stop acting like just because one religion does it, that it means all religions are like that.

    Go home.

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    Focusfired Male 18-29
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    April 15, 2008 at 1:07 pm
    haha estilo, i`m with you on the drivers, the least safe spot in texas is anywhere on the roads. especially if the weather is anything but sunshine (which by texas history, can change at any moment to the worst weather you`ve ever seen.)
  67. Profile photo of caboose117
    caboose117 Male 13-17
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    April 15, 2008 at 1:08 pm
    "
    That`s the problem. Evolution is "fact". Science has the immunity to being "wrong".

    Scientific theories are not theories at all. But facts.

    A scientist could pull the largest piece of poo out of his ass at any time, and it would be right, regardless."

    technically, no measurement is precise, all of science is based on things we see, but we humans haven`t seen everything. Reality is just a collective hunch. We humans can never be 100% exact, look at the Parallel Line Postulate. Fact, yet at the same time, they it isn`t definite. Sub-micro physics vs. Macro physics. lotsa things differ, and our facts are just observations we`ve seen in the few thousand years of humanity, vs the infinity of time.

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    EstiloPanama Female 18-29
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    April 15, 2008 at 1:08 pm
    JohnnyK123...

    "AMG! RELIGION HAS CAUZED NUTHIN BUT PROBLEMZZZZ"

    I don`t have a religion (I do believe in God and Jesus, but do not have a religion and do not go to a church)

    Anyway, I feel religion is a problem...it shouldn`t be, but it is. I think it would be better if people maybe didn`t have a religion, but just `believed` what they wanted to believe in their hearts and minds, as opposed to creating a group that will not go hand in hand with another group`s ideas..

    But of course, that`s impossible, because people of like-mindedness are going to be attracted to each other and join us, and form a `team`. And of course, their ideas will differ from another `teams` ideas, which causes conflict.

    So while religion is really supposed to be something that brings people together to share a common cause, it really separates people and creates hate...which is unfortunate.

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    caboose117 Male 13-17
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    April 15, 2008 at 1:09 pm
    AHHH CRAP DEBATING RELIGION OVER INTERNET MUST STOP

    ok i`m done. not coming back so don`t bother replying to me unless u really feel that obliged.

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    EstiloPanama Female 18-29
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    April 15, 2008 at 1:10 pm
    Caboose...I would trust Einstein with this one...especially with that intelligent quote of his....

    I love it ! Thanks for sharing that quote.

  71. Profile photo of Gregoryn95
    Gregoryn95 Male 13-17
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    April 15, 2008 at 1:11 pm
    Meh, every fundamentalist is talking about whether a teacher should teach creationism in class. Except teenagers, as someone said before don`t care/dont believe. I have athird to add to that list: teenagers who distort/exploit. More specifically Jewish kids(don`t get me wrong, im Jewish, but I`m only talking about one event) The bar/bat mitzvah. They take it as this fantastic party where everyone just hangs out and yea(i spelt it yea, not yeah, because yea is the proper spelling of yay) you are now a "man/woman". It`s supposed to be about religous meaning, which is going down the gutter now anyways, thank god. Hopefullay at least one of you understood that.
  72. Profile photo of EstiloPanama
    EstiloPanama Female 18-29
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    April 15, 2008 at 1:15 pm
    JohnnyK123...people are more willing to make decisions based off the extremists because the extremists are the ones that are trying to get attention. The Muslims that are quiet and who do their own thing in non-violent ways are not seen. The Mormons who practice monogamy are not paid attention to. The atheists who quietly believe in the nature of the world and not in God go unnoticed. And the Christians who pray on their own and go to church and go home to their families are ignored. Why? Because we only see the Muslim bombers, the Mormon polygamists, the liberal and anti-abortion Christian fanatics, and the atheists who hate the world and are so ready to bash every religion in the world.
    It`s what we see and think we know, because we are only making judgements based on a small fragmented section of a larger community. We make judgements based on the extremists, and that is not wise. We must see the full picture before passing a final personal verdict.
  73. Profile photo of Johnnyk123
    Johnnyk123 Male 18-29
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    April 15, 2008 at 1:15 pm
    "I don`t have a religion (I do believe in God and Jesus, but do not have a religion and do not go to a church)"

    You`re a non-denom Christian.

    Your second and 3rd paragraph contradict your statement.

    "So while religion is really supposed to be something that brings people together to share a common cause, it really separates people and creates hate...which is unfortunate."

    So, you`re assuming religion is the only group that causes hate? All these posts were not in complete disdain for religion?

  74. Profile photo of EstiloPanama
    EstiloPanama Female 18-29
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    April 15, 2008 at 1:18 pm
    "You`re a non-denom Christian."

    For me, to claim to be a Christian in this world right now would not make sense. There are too many Christian `factions` out there. I want nothing to do with any of them. I am not part of any religion. I guess for me, it is simply a way of life.
    And no, religion is not the only group that causes hate...trust me. Many things in the world cause hate, but religion can be one of them. Though it was never really supposed to go that direction...

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    Bekll Female 18-29
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    April 15, 2008 at 1:18 pm
    EstiloPanama,

    it`s not about you thinking you`re right and I think I`m right.

    I`m just pointing out the flaw: Why would an extremely complex being - god - create such a poor system as evolution that has killed over 99% of all species that have ever lived? And the surviving ones now have evolved over millions of years from simple cell organisms?

    It`s not about who`s right. It`s about using rationality.

  76. Profile photo of Johnnyk123
    Johnnyk123 Male 18-29
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    April 15, 2008 at 1:20 pm
    "JohnnyK123...people are more willing to make decisions based off the extremists because the extremists are the ones that are trying to get attention."

    This is exactly my point. Why should religion as a whole be persecuted for the actions of a few (and I mean a few) and not be seen for the good it does cause.

    "And the Christians who pray on their own and go to church and go home to their families are ignored." Which is why we are constantly persecuted and portrayed as morons for our beliefs?

    I see your point, and I agree with much of what you said. You shouldn`t judge based ona minority.

  77. Profile photo of Johnnyk123
    Johnnyk123 Male 18-29
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    April 15, 2008 at 1:22 pm
    "Wow, so a teacher gets fired for not teaching ID. Big deal. I can guarantee that if it were the other way around in this scenario, this would not have been posted, and you guys wouldn`t be saying Sh*t. Double Standard?"

    "So.. the other way being: "Teacher doesn`t get fired for teaching I.D."...?

    Explain."

    I meant a teacher gets fired for teaching ID.

    Most posts would be as such;

    "Well that`s fine, lol F*ck religion; it`s stupid and everything is illogical."

  78. Profile photo of Gregoryn95
    Gregoryn95 Male 13-17
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    April 15, 2008 at 1:22 pm
    "Religion isn`t science.
    Science classes teaches science. (hence its name)
    Thus firing said teacher is logical, if a bit harsh. A warning should suffice.

    So called intelligent design, should be presented in either philosophical or religious classes.

    Believe whatever you wish to believe, just be professional about it, yes?"

    Foob, no, you got it wrong, she taught evolution, she didn`t teach ID.

  79. Profile photo of Johnnyk123
    Johnnyk123 Male 18-29
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    April 15, 2008 at 1:25 pm
    "it`s not about you thinking you`re right and I think I`m right."

    O rly? That`s weird. I thought it was.

    "I`m just pointing out the flaw: Why would an extremely complex being - god - create such a poor system as evolution that has killed over 99% of all species that have ever lived? And the surviving ones now have evolved over millions of years from simple cell organisms?"

    God didn`t use evolution to get us to this stage. We were made as we are now. This statement is not what Christianity believes.

    "It`s not about who`s right. It`s about using rationality."

    And about who`s right.

  80. Profile photo of Gregoryn95
    Gregoryn95 Male 13-17
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    April 15, 2008 at 1:28 pm
    "Wow, so a teacher gets fired for not teaching ID. Big deal. I can guarantee that if it were the other way around in this scenario, this would not have been posted, and you guys wouldn`t be saying Sh*t. Double Standard?"

    Umm, no, we`d post it, yelling at the teacher for ignoring a very important theory in the science community.

  81. Profile photo of EstiloPanama
    EstiloPanama Female 18-29
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    April 15, 2008 at 1:29 pm
    But rationality can be argued...
    My rationality is that God has a plan for the universe, and he knows what he`s doing, because to me, God is the Creator, the Beginning and the End, and the Teacher of all teachers. For me, God created the simple cell organisms. God created Life, and he created Life using science. Because Life IS science. Everything around you is science, math, physics....it`s all kinds of sciences. To me, God is that science. This is what is completely rational to me.

    Someone might laugh at this, and you know, it`s okay if they do...it`s within their right! This may not be rational to you, and I understand. You are seeing it from a completely scientific perspective, which makes complete sense as well.

    Even rationality can be argued...especially since (as someone posted earlier) evolution is a theory, as is the Big Bang, as is God, as is even science itself at times...

    Nothing is concrete. Ideas, theories, solutions, and problems are always evolving...

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    Bekll Female 18-29
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    April 15, 2008 at 1:29 pm
    "God didn`t use evolution to get us to this stage. We were made as we are now. This statement is not what Christianity believes."

    You`re completely disregarding the fact that we evolved from ancestral apes, aren`t you?

    "evolution is a theory, as is the Big Bang, as is God, as is even science itself at times..."
    Evolution is a fact and a theory. The Big Bang is a theory supported by a lot of evidence. God is not discussed in science - god has no evidence. So I don`t care about `god`.

  83. Profile photo of Johnnyk123
    Johnnyk123 Male 18-29
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    April 15, 2008 at 1:31 pm
    "Wow, so a teacher gets fired for not teaching ID. Big deal. I can guarantee that if it were the other way around in this scenario, this would not have been posted, and you guys wouldn`t be saying Sh*t. Double Standard?"

    "Umm, no, we`d post it, yelling at the teacher for ignoring a very important theory in the science community."

    Thank you for proving my point.

    There is no way a scenario like this can end well in atheists eyes. It`s always deserving of being flamed, and religion being picked on.

  84. Profile photo of EmoGangster
    EmoGangster Male 13-17
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    April 15, 2008 at 1:31 pm
    "This is exactly my point. Why should religion as a whole be persecuted for the actions of a few (and I mean a few) and not be seen for the good it does cause.

    "And the Christians who pray on their own and go to church and go home to their families are ignored." Which is why we are constantly persecuted and portrayed as morons for our beliefs?"


    Oh Johnnyk,

    You religious people outnumber athiests and agnostics 9 to 1 at least.
    Don`t pretend that you`re the only ones being portrayed wrong. Atheists are considered immoral and somehow people are convinced that all atheists are mad at the world.
    Get. Over. It.

    And you`re morons because the bible is moronic.
    c:

  85. Profile photo of RelaxEnjoy
    RelaxEnjoy Male 18-29
    205 posts
    April 15, 2008 at 1:33 pm
    choice has nothing with it sorry

    i couldnt choose to be religious no matter how much i wanted

    you cant change your beliefs no matter how much you want to

    (i never said ignorance wasnt a choice, dunno why that came up)

  86. Profile photo of Gregoryn95
    Gregoryn95 Male 13-17
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    April 15, 2008 at 1:34 pm
    And about my above post, id be assuming ur opposite is the teacher being fired for not teaching evolution.
  87. Profile photo of Gregoryn95
    Gregoryn95 Male 13-17
    153 posts
    April 15, 2008 at 1:36 pm
    "God didn`t use evolution to get us to this stage. We were made as we are now. This statement is not what Christianity believes."

    You`re completely disregarding the fact that we evolved from ancestral apes, aren`t you?

    Bekll, no, he`s replying to that fact that it was stated that god made evolution happen, while it is quite opposite to Christian Doctrine.

  88. Profile photo of Johnnyk123
    Johnnyk123 Male 18-29
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    April 15, 2008 at 1:37 pm
    You`re completely disregarding the fact that we evolved from ancestral apes, aren`t you?

    I`m talking from a Christian perspective. And we didn`t evolve from apes, we evolved from a common ancestor. You`re worse then some of us when it comes to Evolution ;)


    "evolution is a theory, as is the Big Bang, as is God, as is even science itself at times..."


    "Evolution is a fact and a theory. The Big Bang is a theory supported by a lot of evidence. God is not discussed in science - god has no evidence. So I don`t care about `god`."

    A theory in the scientific community is always a fact, I stated that Scientific Theories have immunity from being false.

    Gods is discussed in science when they think that Religion deserves a good bashing and is "lolstoopid."

  89. Profile photo of Gregoryn95
    Gregoryn95 Male 13-17
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    April 15, 2008 at 1:38 pm
    "There is no way a scenario like this can end well in atheists eyes. It`s always deserving of being flamed, and religion being picked on."

    True, but that`s not bashing religion, that`s bashing the teacher for leaving out something that is widely acknowledged in her area of teaching.

  90. Profile photo of rifter
    rifter Male 30-39
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    April 15, 2008 at 1:39 pm
    Actually, Estilo, you do have a religion if you believe in God and Jesus. It`s called Christianity. Just because you don`t actually practice the rites a certain group says you need to perform doesn`t mean you don`t have a religion.

    Off-topic, but I guess I`ll post anyway.

  91. Profile photo of primetimekin
    primetimekin Male 18-29
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    April 15, 2008 at 1:40 pm
    Atheist I have a proposal. You dont teach ID and teach evolution, but you cant teach the Big Bang. Deal?
  92. Profile photo of Johnnyk123
    Johnnyk123 Male 18-29
    179 posts
    April 15, 2008 at 1:41 pm
    "Oh Johnnyk,

    You religious people outnumber athiests and agnostics 9 to 1 at least.
    Don`t pretend that you`re the only ones being portrayed wrong. Atheists are considered immoral and somehow people are convinced that all atheists are mad at the world.
    Get. Over. It.

    And you`re morons because the bible is moronic.
    c:"

    Then why is Religion portrayed as a moronic, stupid, selfish thing in 99% of the media? B/c science and Atheists say it is.

    You emo kids have is so wrong.

  93. Profile photo of Gregoryn95
    Gregoryn95 Male 13-17
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    April 15, 2008 at 1:42 pm
    I agree with Emogangster. like 78.5% of the population adheres to Christianity.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in...
    Jews(like me) are another 1.3%.
    Islam, Hinduism, and Buddhism each have about .5%, adding up to another 1.5%
    After that is other. In other words, you are the majority of America, but you play the victim. TO quote Billy Joe Armstrong of Green Day: The minority is the Majority.

  94. Profile photo of Johnnyk123
    Johnnyk123 Male 18-29
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    April 15, 2008 at 1:43 pm

    "True, but that`s not bashing religion, that`s bashing the teacher for leaving out something that is widely acknowledged in her area of teaching."

    I understand where you`re coming from, but most posts on this thread were and are about how dumb religion is.

    Most posts on IAB like this one completely derail from the topic and focus on religion as a whole.

  95. Profile photo of Johnnyk123
    Johnnyk123 Male 18-29
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    April 15, 2008 at 1:46 pm
    "I agree with Emogangster. like 78.5% of the population adheres to Christianity.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in...
    Jews(like me) are another 1.3%.
    Islam, Hinduism, and Buddhism each have about .5%, adding up to another 1.5%
    After that is other. In other words, you are the majority of America, but you play the victim. TO quote Billy Joe Armstrong of Green Day: The minority is the Majority."

    That`s in AMERICA. http://www.adherents.com/Religions_By_Ad...

    Notice the chart, Christianity ranks majority with 33% worldwide.

  96. Profile photo of Gregoryn95
    Gregoryn95 Male 13-17
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    April 15, 2008 at 1:46 pm
    Johhny, it`s portrayed as stupid because some christians cause this effect by being stupid, moronic, etc. It is also because, in this science-driven community(everything that science has contributed), Christianity cannot be justified, and with the lack for human respect of others, everyone wants it so that everyone who believes other things is wrong. My christian friends bug me for being jewish and in effect, "knowing nothing" about "gods true history", or soem crap to taht effect, although the first several books of the bible are, what class? thats right, taken from the torah.
  97. Profile photo of Johnnyk123
    Johnnyk123 Male 18-29
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    April 15, 2008 at 1:48 pm
    And emo gangster you`ll notice non-religious is 16%

    and with 33% that means there`s 2 Christians to every 1 non-religious. Not 9 to 1.

    Do research.

  98. Profile photo of Gregoryn95
    Gregoryn95 Male 13-17
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    April 15, 2008 at 1:48 pm
    And 33% is very impressive, out of 6 billion, soem with no idea of any religion and were just born into forests and deserts with a primary goal to survive. And i think buddhism, traditional chinese, and hinduism, got onto the chart because of overpopulation.
  99. Profile photo of Bekll
    Bekll Female 18-29
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    April 15, 2008 at 1:49 pm
    "I`m talking from a Christian perspective. And we didn`t evolve from apes, we evolved from a common ancestor."
    That`s what I said. Apes and humans have a common ancestor which scientists have deduced was very ape-like; hence, my calling it an ancestral ape.
  100. Profile photo of Gregoryn95
    Gregoryn95 Male 13-17
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    April 15, 2008 at 1:50 pm
    And i don`t even KNOW what Sikhism, but it outranks Judaism. Quite interesting, eh?
  101. Profile photo of Gregoryn95
    Gregoryn95 Male 13-17
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    April 15, 2008 at 1:51 pm
    Bekll, most pronounced true by scientists(relating to our origin) doesn`t matter to the statements made in the Christian opinion.
  102. Profile photo of Bekll
    Bekll Female 18-29
    1984 posts
    April 15, 2008 at 1:52 pm
    "Bekll, no, he`s replying to that fact that it was stated that god made evolution happen, while it is quite opposite to Christian Doctrine."

    Okay. But technically the Bible says so many things that a Christian can just pick and choose from it. Not all Christians believe the same thing. The only things necessary to be Christian is to take the Bible as god`s word and Jesus is the son.

  103. Profile photo of KimonoThief
    KimonoThief Male 18-29
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    April 15, 2008 at 1:52 pm
    "It`s f*cking ridiculous. This is the only problem I have with Atheism. That they see fit to bash anyone religious, and anything that has to do with religion. Based on the fact that we have little to no evidence to support our claims."

    Yes, damn us atheists, always trying to convince people into being rational! What next, poking fun at UFO believers? Bashing 9/11 conspiracy theorists? Scoffing at the idea of perpetual motion machines? All based on the completely moot point that they have little to no evidence to support their claims. Shame on us, Johnnyk, shame on us.

  104. Profile photo of Johnnyk123
    Johnnyk123 Male 18-29
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    April 15, 2008 at 1:52 pm
    "Johhny, it`s portrayed as stupid because some christians cause this effect by being stupid, moronic, etc."

    Yes, SOME do. Not all.

    "It is also because, in this science-driven community(everything that science has contributed), Christianity cannot be justified, and with the lack for human respect of others, everyone wants it so that everyone who believes other things is wrong."

    Like Atheists want themselves to be right and everyone else to be wrong?

    "My christian friends bug me for being jewish and in effect, "knowing nothing" about "gods true history", or soem crap to taht effect, although the first several books of the bible are, what class? thats right, taken from the torah."

    You`re friend are part of the Christian manority.

  105. Profile photo of ClearSky87
    ClearSky87 Male 18-29
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    April 15, 2008 at 1:55 pm
    Will somebody please set me straight...

    I went to a catholic high school for 2 years and took 2 biology classes and the subject of evolution never even came up. When I went to a public school I only took chemistry.

    Do they actively teach evolution in high school?

  106. Profile photo of Gregoryn95
    Gregoryn95 Male 13-17
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    April 15, 2008 at 1:55 pm
    "Okay. But technically the Bible says so many things that a Christian can just pick and choose from it. Not all Christians believe the same thing. The only things necessary to be Christian is to take the Bible as god`s word and Jesus is the son."

    And therein lies the fault that makes Christianity basically the "mix-n`-match" religion. Pick and choose what you want to believe. This creates quite the conflict a.k.a. Protestant versus Lutheran or some other random yelling.

  107. Profile photo of TheBLB
    TheBLB Male 18-29
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    April 15, 2008 at 1:56 pm
    The stat that 75 percent of North Americans adhere to Christianity is wrong. It means if asked "What religion are you" they say Christian. 70 percent of Canadians believe Jesus is God`s son, 30 percent attend Church, and 1 in 20 actually follow Christ.

    Source: Mcleans magazine.

    1 in 20!

  108. Profile photo of Gregoryn95
    Gregoryn95 Male 13-17
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    April 15, 2008 at 1:58 pm
    Those who act stupid, make the media bogart them, and then are astonished, are the flanderses of the world. I just had to get that out, mainly because it is true.
  109. Profile photo of Johnnyk123
    Johnnyk123 Male 18-29
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    April 15, 2008 at 1:59 pm
    "Yes, damn us atheists, always trying to convince people into being rational!"

    Being so rational as to trod on the beliefs of others? and to make us feel bad for our beliefs? Shut up.

    "What next, poking fun at UFO believers?"

    You have as much evidence for UFO`s as we do for God. If circumstantial evidence can`t apply to God, it can`t to UFO`s. If personal experience can`t apply to God, it can`t apply to UFO`s.

    "Bashing 9/11 conspiracy theorists?"
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcrF346sS...

    "Scoffing at the idea of perpetual motion machines?"
    perpetual motion usually refers to a device or system that delivers more energy than was put into it. Such a device or system would be in violation of the law of conservation of energy.

    "All based on the completely moot point that they have little to no evidence to support their claims. Shame on us, Johnnyk, shame

  110. Profile photo of ClearSky87
    ClearSky87 Male 18-29
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    April 15, 2008 at 2:03 pm
    Who wants to see Ben Stein`s new movie???
  111. Profile photo of Johnnyk123
    Johnnyk123 Male 18-29
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    April 15, 2008 at 2:03 pm
    I might have missed your point in your last post Kimono, but the fact remains. Atheists never say anything against anything else, other the religion.

    It`s their sole purpose in life.

    I recently had an Atheist come into my World Religions classroom, and sit there for the sole purpose of challenging everything we said!

    Can you please justify that act of rudeness?

  112. Profile photo of KimonoThief
    KimonoThief Male 18-29
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    April 15, 2008 at 2:04 pm
    Rudeness? Perhaps you should have thanked him for making you think.
  113. Profile photo of Johnnyk123
    Johnnyk123 Male 18-29
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    April 15, 2008 at 2:04 pm
    "And I see you completely missed my sarcasm johnnyk. Indeed, I posited that religion is just as ridiculous as all the above mentioned things."

    It`s difficult to sense sarcasm online, and I apologize.


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    RelaxEnjoy Male 18-29
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    April 15, 2008 at 2:05 pm
    UFO believers deserve to be made fun of just as much as christians... oh wait, not quite as much because they dont think we deserve eternal torture for not believing them
  115. Profile photo of Johnnyk123
    Johnnyk123 Male 18-29
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    April 15, 2008 at 2:06 pm
    "Rudeness? Perhaps you should have thanked him for making you think."

    We were learning about religion.

    Perhaps I should run into a biology class and start yelling how wrong they are.

  116. Profile photo of RelaxEnjoy
    RelaxEnjoy Male 18-29
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    April 15, 2008 at 2:08 pm
    im sure if you were to show that evolution was wrong you would get a nobel prize or something
  117. Profile photo of Johnnyk123
    Johnnyk123 Male 18-29
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    April 15, 2008 at 2:08 pm
    "UFO believers deserve to be made fun of just as much as christians... oh wait, not quite as much because they dont think we deserve eternal torture for not believing them"

    No, you`re right. They believe that they got abducted by little green men and had bars shoved up their asses.

    You`re an idiot.

  118. Profile photo of Gregoryn95
    Gregoryn95 Male 13-17
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    April 15, 2008 at 2:08 pm
    Lol, Johnny i agree, but the UFO thing, i can`t believe I`m even saying this. *laughs* Atl east we have pictures of UFO`s. lol
  119. Profile photo of KimonoThief
    KimonoThief Male 18-29
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    April 15, 2008 at 2:09 pm
    "Perhaps I should run into a biology class and start yelling how wrong they are."

    Well, minus the yelling, you should absolutely do that. Science is all about intellectual debate. You would be more than welcome to challenge any scientific idea in a biology classroom, as long as you are putting forth ideas that have scientific merit.

  120. Profile photo of Johnnyk123
    Johnnyk123 Male 18-29
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    April 15, 2008 at 2:09 pm
    "im sure if you were to show that evolution was wrong you would get a nobel prize or something"

    It`s impossible to prove something wrong that is cemented into the minds of people

  121. Profile photo of Johnnyk123
    Johnnyk123 Male 18-29
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    April 15, 2008 at 2:11 pm
    "Lol, Johnny i agree, but the UFO thing, i can`t believe I`m even saying this. *laughs* Atl east we have pictures of UFO`s. lol"

    Most pictures, and I can`t believe I`m saying this. Are doctored, or can be explained.

  122. Profile photo of Johnnyk123
    Johnnyk123 Male 18-29
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    April 15, 2008 at 2:12 pm
    "Well, minus the yelling, you should absolutely do that. Science is all about intellectual debate. You would be more than welcome to challenge any scientific idea in a biology classroom, as long as you are putting forth ideas that have scientific merit."

    Religion cannot be explained by science, we have to resort to logic and reasoning to explain God`s design.

    And the atheist wasn`t resorting to logical and scientific evidence, he was just saying how dumb we were.

  123. Profile photo of Gregoryn95
    Gregoryn95 Male 13-17
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    April 15, 2008 at 2:13 pm
    Thus the laughin g Johhny, it was a joke, to humore the UFO believers.
  124. Profile photo of RelaxEnjoy
    RelaxEnjoy Male 18-29
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    April 15, 2008 at 2:14 pm
    no johnny, evolution isnt trusted because of faith, all you would need is proper evidence

    (you clearly missed the point of my previous comment)

  125. Profile photo of Johnnyk123
    Johnnyk123 Male 18-29
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    April 15, 2008 at 2:14 pm
    "Thus the laughin g Johhny, it was a joke, to humore the UFO believers."

    Haha, I`m sorry. I really do have a hard time sensing sarcasm online xD.

  126. Profile photo of KimonoThief
    KimonoThief Male 18-29
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    April 15, 2008 at 2:15 pm
    Haha, I see you`re beginning to think like an atheist:

    "It`s impossible to prove something wrong that is cemented into the minds of people."

    "Most , and I can`t believe I`m saying this. Are doctored, or can be explained."

    "And the wasn`t resorting to logical and scientific evidence, he was just saying how dumb we were."

    Fantastic! I`ve got to go for today, but thanks for the interesting debate. And remember: think about it!

  127. Profile photo of Johnnyk123
    Johnnyk123 Male 18-29
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    April 15, 2008 at 2:16 pm
    "no johnny, evolution isnt trusted because of faith, all you would need is proper evidence

    (you clearly missed the point of my previous comment)"

    No I didn`t. You challenged me to disprove Evolution. Which is impossible. Maybe you just worded your statement wrong.

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    catbarf Male 18-29
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    April 15, 2008 at 2:19 pm
    "It`s f*cking ridiculous. This is the only problem I have with Atheism. That they see fit to bash anyone religious, and anything that has to do with religion. Based on the fact that we have little to no evidence to support our claims."

    Wouldn`t you make fun of a man who, at the age of thirty, believed fervently in Santa Claus? If anything, Santa has more evidence than God. You are no different.

    "Anyone who says that is a moron. Sure, religion caused some problems a long time ago. I.E. the crusades, the dark ages. "

    Yes, 9/11 was during the Dark Ages. As is the current conflict between the Shiites and Sunnis.

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    Johnnyk123 Male 18-29
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    April 15, 2008 at 2:19 pm
    "Haha, I see you`re beginning to think like an atheist:

    "It`s impossible to prove something wrong that is cemented into the minds of people."

    "Most , and I can`t believe I`m saying this. Are doctored, or can be explained."

    "And the wasn`t resorting to logical and scientific evidence, he was just saying how dumb we were."

    Fantastic! I`ve got to go for today, but thanks for the interesting debate. And remember: think about it!"

    I think like an Atheist because it`s better then throwing bible quotes ate people and expecting them to convince the person.

    Plus, I was trained by my Atheist friend how to debate.

  130. Profile photo of catbarf
    catbarf Male 18-29
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    April 15, 2008 at 2:21 pm
    Evolution need not be disproven, the burden of proof is on the person suggesting the idea. However, there is ample evidence for evolution, unlike God.
  131. Profile photo of Gregoryn95
    Gregoryn95 Male 13-17
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    April 15, 2008 at 2:22 pm
    Johnny, about your previous post about the 9/11 Penn and Teller stuff. They also made this video
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RV46fsmx...
  132. Profile photo of catbarf
    catbarf Male 18-29
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    April 15, 2008 at 2:22 pm
    By the way, I should like to see some of this logic that is used to support the idea of God. I`ve never seen any that could be described as `logic`.
  133. Profile photo of RelaxEnjoy
    RelaxEnjoy Male 18-29
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    April 15, 2008 at 2:22 pm
    the bit in brackets was about a different comment.

    and i said to `present a better theory`, not to `disprove evolution`

    maybe you just read my statement wrong

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    Johnnyk123 Male 18-29
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    April 15, 2008 at 2:23 pm

    "Wouldn`t you make fun of a man who, at the age of thirty, believed fervently in Santa Claus? If anything, Santa has more evidence than God. You are no different."

    No, I wouldn`t. I`d respect his decision to believe in that. But apparently you`re not above making fun of him, which is your specialty, making fun of people with religious beliefs! And no, Santa doesn`t.


    "Yes, 9/11 was during the Dark Ages. As is the current conflict between the Shiites and Sunnis."

    Could you elaborate on this point further please?

  135. Profile photo of RelaxEnjoy
    RelaxEnjoy Male 18-29
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    April 15, 2008 at 2:25 pm
    haha, you wouldnt find a man who believed in santa ridiculous?
  136. Profile photo of Johnnyk123
    Johnnyk123 Male 18-29
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    April 15, 2008 at 2:26 pm
    "Evolution need not be disproven, the burden of proof is on the person suggesting the idea."

    You`ve said this time and time again, I get your point.

    "However, there is ample evidence for evolution, unlike God."

    Bone fragments? Carbon Dating?

  137. Profile photo of Johnnyk123
    Johnnyk123 Male 18-29
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    April 15, 2008 at 2:27 pm
    "By the way, I should like to see some of this logic that is used to support the idea of God. I`ve never seen any that could be described as `logic`."

    The watchmaker theory is reliable logic for God.

  138. Profile photo of catbarf
    catbarf Male 18-29
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    April 15, 2008 at 2:28 pm
    "I`d respect his decision to believe in that."

    Like hell you would. You would probably consider him mentally damaged, since people are sent to the madhouse for that sort of stuff that, under a slight permutation, works as a religion.

    "Bone fragments? Carbon Dating?"

    Fossil record. Short-term testing.

    "Could you elaborate on this point further please?"

    You really see no connection between Muslim suicide bombers and religion? Aside from the fact that, you know, they do it because a book tells them to and that they`ll be rewarded in paradise?

  139. Profile photo of Johnnyk123
    Johnnyk123 Male 18-29
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    April 15, 2008 at 2:28 pm
    "haha, you wouldnt find a man who believed in santa ridiculous?"

    People believe in UFO`s. People believe (including many athiests) believe the world is flat. People believe that the universe was a random act of nature. People believe in pooloads of crazy things.

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    catbarf Male 18-29
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    April 15, 2008 at 2:29 pm
    The watchmaker analogy is sensationalist crap at its finest. It makes the quantum leap of assuming that there is a design- just like God, yet another idea spawned without evidence or reason.
  141. Profile photo of catbarf
    catbarf Male 18-29
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    April 15, 2008 at 2:30 pm
    "People believe in UFO`s. People believe (including many athiests) believe the world is flat. People believe that the universe was a random act of nature. People believe in pooloads of crazy things."

    Here`s the difference: There`s evidence for things like the Big Bang. There isn`t for UFOs and similar.

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    bluethen Male 13-17
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    April 15, 2008 at 2:32 pm
    Man, some of you athiests need to get over it and lay off. :/
  143. Profile photo of Johnnyk123
    Johnnyk123 Male 18-29
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    April 15, 2008 at 2:32 pm
    "Like hell you would. You would probably consider him mentally damaged, since people are sent to the madhouse for that sort of stuff that, under a slight permutation, works as a religion."

    I didn`t judge people on their beliefs, and hate what they believe in. I`m not closed minded. I`m not so low as to completely deny anything people say. I`m not like you.

    "You really see no connection between Muslim suicide bombers and religion? Aside from the fact that, you know, they do it because a book tells them to and that they`ll be rewarded in paradise?"

    I see a connection between suicide bombers and Islam. Stop acting like because Islam kills people that all religion is like that.

  144. Profile photo of simim23
    simim23 Female 18-29
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    April 15, 2008 at 2:33 pm
    That is BS. I can`t believe it`s gotten to this point. O.o
    I was never taught creationism, and I live in Texas.
    Texas is a big state... where exactly in Texas?
  145. Profile photo of catbarf
    catbarf Male 18-29
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    April 15, 2008 at 2:34 pm
    "I didn`t judge people on their beliefs, and hate what they believe in. I`m not closed minded. I`m not so low as to completely deny anything people say. I`m not like you."

    He is a strange man who cannot judge ones beliefs, who sees no difference in plausibility between ideas. He also does not exist. It is a logical fallacy to be unable to differ between the likelihood of various situations or concepts.

    "I see a connection between suicide bombers and Islam. Stop acting like because Islam kills people that all religion is like that."

    I never was. I was disputing the idea that religion only killed people long ago, which you claimed very specifically.

  146. Profile photo of Johnnyk123
    Johnnyk123 Male 18-29
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    April 15, 2008 at 2:34 pm
    "The watchmaker analogy is sensationalist crap at its finest. It makes the quantum leap of assuming that there is a design- just like God, yet another idea spawned without evidence or reason."

    I`m going to put 3 pennies in a closed space, and over time it should make a computer! Not. A computer needs to be design by a guiding hand. It cannot appear, congeal for no reason.

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    Gregoryn95 Male 13-17
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    April 15, 2008 at 2:36 pm
    The watchmaker analogy is a contradiction. It says that something this complex requires a designer. Oh gee, an all powerful being that speak down from "the heavens" and do quite a lot of other things that are quite violent and yet merciful, etc etc. isn`t complex? I`m surprised. I know some Christians are dumbed down because of faith, but come on, that one was soooo obvious.
  148. Profile photo of Gregoryn95
    Gregoryn95 Male 13-17
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    April 15, 2008 at 2:37 pm
    "I`m going to put 3 pennies in a closed space, and over time it should make a computer! Not. A computer needs to be design by a guiding hand. It cannot appear, congeal for no reason."

    Yes but there is a difference between technology created with resources and humans. The study of alchemy proved that.

  149. Profile photo of catbarf
    catbarf Male 18-29
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    April 15, 2008 at 2:39 pm
    "I`m going to put 3 pennies in a closed space, and over time it should make a computer! Not. A computer needs to be design by a guiding hand. It cannot appear, congeal for no reason."

    I bet that if I eat three penguins, God will appear!

    Non sequitur begets non sequitur.

  150. Profile photo of Johnnyk123
    Johnnyk123 Male 18-29
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    April 15, 2008 at 2:40 pm

    "He is a strange man who cannot judge ones beliefs, who sees no difference in plausibility between ideas. He also does not exist. It is a logical fallacy to be unable to differ between the likelihood of various situations or concepts."

    But it`s his personal belief, and should be respected and undisputed. And you`re not going to change his mind.

    "I see a connection between suicide bombers and Islam. Stop acting like because Islam kills people that all religion is like that."

    "I never was. I was disputing the idea that religion only killed people long ago, which you claimed very specifically."

    Agreed, I made a mistake in that statement. I meant to say Christianity. Which was the religion that created the crusades. However, Islam has a crusade of their own. A pattern?

  151. Profile photo of RelaxEnjoy
    RelaxEnjoy Male 18-29
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    April 15, 2008 at 2:41 pm
    johnny, your 3 pennies argument shows you have no understanding of evolution

    at the same time as saying "dont say all religion kills people just because islam does" you seem to say "all islam kills people just because fundamentalists do"

  152. Profile photo of Johnnyk123
    Johnnyk123 Male 18-29
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    April 15, 2008 at 2:41 pm
    "I`m going to put 3 pennies in a closed space, and over time it should make a computer! Not. A computer needs to be design by a guiding hand. It cannot appear, congeal for no reason."

    "I bet that if I eat three penguins, God will appear!"

    My statement at least had a sliver of logic to it.

    And since we`re the only 2 talking now, I suppose I`ll admit defeat. I can`t win and I realize that.
    But debate is alway interesting.

  153. Profile photo of RelaxEnjoy
    RelaxEnjoy Male 18-29
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    April 15, 2008 at 2:43 pm
    catholics have been killing protestants v. recently in ireland
  154. Profile photo of Johnnyk123
    Johnnyk123 Male 18-29
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    April 15, 2008 at 2:44 pm
    "johnny, your 3 pennies argument shows you have no understanding of evolution"

    Like a singularity created the universe? It wasn`t an argument against Evolution.

    at the same time as saying "dont say all religion kills people just because islam does" you seem to say "all islam kills people just because fundamentalists do"

    Just because Islam fundies kill people doesn`t mean every other religion shares the same value.

  155. Profile photo of Johnnyk123
    Johnnyk123 Male 18-29
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    April 15, 2008 at 2:46 pm
    "catholics have been killing protestants v. recently in ireland"

    And protestants have been killing Catholics for awhile now. Citing the KKK

  156. Profile photo of catbarf
    catbarf Male 18-29
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    April 15, 2008 at 2:47 pm
    "Like a singularity created the universe? It wasn`t an argument against Evolution."

    You state that because three pennies cannot spontaneously form a computer, that there must be some intelligent designer at work. Which makes absolutely no sense at all. It shows that you lack an understanding of how evolution actually works, without the need for a magical man making it work.

    "Just because Islam fundies kill people doesn`t mean every other religion shares the same value."

    The Crusades show this to be false in the case of Christianity.

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    The_Maddog Male 30-39
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    April 15, 2008 at 2:48 pm
    Johnnyk123.
    Have you acctually read the bible or the Koran? If either was taken literally in the western world, we would have wholesale slaughter on our hands.

    Try reading the books instead of beliving "what someone else" told you about them.

  158. Profile photo of RelaxEnjoy
    RelaxEnjoy Male 18-29
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    April 15, 2008 at 2:48 pm
    no, your statement didnt have any logic to it

    the pennies wont turn into a computer

    but a massive cloud of dust and gas can be pulled together with gravity and slowly form into a solar system
    on one of the planets with the right conditions amino acids might start reproducing. the more adept ones might reproduce faster and become more common, they might use up all the resources causing the other ones to die out. eventually a cell structure might form. eventually multicellular organisms might arrive. eventually complex plants and animals might evolve.

  159. Profile photo of catbarf
    catbarf Male 18-29
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    April 15, 2008 at 2:49 pm
    "If either was taken literally in the western world,"

    And as a preemptive strike, I`m going to point out that nowhere does the Bible state that it should not be taken literally.

  160. Profile photo of RelaxEnjoy
    RelaxEnjoy Male 18-29
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    April 15, 2008 at 2:50 pm
    johnny my point wasnt that one group of christans was worse than another.. it was that christians are still killing people, despite what you seem to think
  161. Profile photo of simim23
    simim23 Female 18-29
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    April 15, 2008 at 2:52 pm
    Most religions, Islam, and Christianity included, are oppressive. They believe their theories, dogma, and doctrine to not only be right, but ONLY theirs are right. And everyone else is wrong and therefore must be taught or forced to believe their right ideas.

    Christianity has its fair share of killing people.

    -The Spanish Inquisition
    -The Salem Witch Trials
    -The Roman Empire`s steady conquering and conversion of the rest of Europe
    -The Crusades

    I could name more, but those are the major ones.

    Christianity and Islam are very similar, which is probably why they`ve fought head to head for centuries.

  162. Profile photo of RelaxEnjoy
    RelaxEnjoy Male 18-29
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    April 15, 2008 at 2:53 pm
    "like a singularity creating the universe"

    we dont know what created the universe, but atleast this singularity idea starts with something simple rather than a complex being

  163. Profile photo of Gregoryn95
    Gregoryn95 Male 13-17
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    April 15, 2008 at 2:58 pm
    Simim, roman empire should not count, mainly because the roman empire was already at its peak when Constantine decided to convert to Christianity on his deathbed.
  164. Profile photo of catbarf
    catbarf Male 18-29
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    April 15, 2008 at 2:58 pm
    "They believe their theories, dogma, and doctrine to not only be right, but ONLY theirs are right. And everyone else is wrong and therefore must be taught or forced to believe their right ideas."

    Actually, the Bible states quite explicitly that you must kill people who don`t listen to priests, witches, homosexuals, fortunetellers, kids who disrespect or hit their parents, adulterers, fornicators, followers of other religions and non-believers, false prophets, women who aren`t virgins when wed, blasphemers, people who work on the Sabbath, or the children of any of the above.

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    foiledocean Female 13-17
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    April 15, 2008 at 2:58 pm
    This reminds me of FSM

    i was reading the gosple of fsm yesterday
    \

    good stuff,, and breaks both ID and Evolution


    yeah i said it=D
    (really read the book its greAt(

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    Gregoryn95 Male 13-17
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    April 15, 2008 at 3:01 pm
    Catbarf, then couples must have REALLY hated divorce back then, didn`t they? lol(the non virgins thing.
  167. Profile photo of simim23
    simim23 Female 18-29
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    April 15, 2008 at 3:01 pm
    If you consider the conversion of the Gauls, Visigoths, Celts, Picts, and Britons into Christianity upon being conquered by Rome, then yes, it counts.
    If you didn`t convert, you were killed.
  168. Profile photo of foiledocean
    foiledocean Female 13-17
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    April 15, 2008 at 3:05 pm
    simim on page 7

    i agree with him
    islam is the root base on which christiany, or visa versa, they just have differnt prophets and gods..
    allah just means god..
    religion kills to much

    like ghandi said
    "I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ."

  169. Profile photo of simim23
    simim23 Female 18-29
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    April 15, 2008 at 3:06 pm
    Or, in other words: "I love God, I just hate his fan club."
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    foiledocean Female 13-17
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    April 15, 2008 at 3:07 pm
    yeah, Ghandi had some of the best things to say ever.
  171. Profile photo of foiledocean
    foiledocean Female 13-17
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    April 15, 2008 at 3:09 pm
    Thats kind of the reason i am not religious( unless you count FSM, most don`t unfortunately)

    i follow what i believe is right, but not blindly accepting every thing as the ultimate rule, things change

  172. Profile photo of Gregoryn95
    Gregoryn95 Male 13-17
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    April 15, 2008 at 3:11 pm
    Yea but simim, Gaul was captured long before COnstantine, far before Christianity. If you show me a source, I will shut up about it.
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    simim23 Female 18-29
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    April 15, 2008 at 3:19 pm
    Maybe not upon, but during. Wrong word, my mistake.
    The Roman Empire, upon conversion of Christianity, made a point to purposefully convert the rest of its Empire.
    The amount of force put into conversion as compared to pre-Christianity is significantly higher, which is what I meant by the previous statement.
    Sorry to make myself unclear.
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    Dextrine Male 18-29
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    April 15, 2008 at 3:20 pm
    i find that the only truth to life is to live it as happily as possible doing as little harm to others as possible
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    foiledocean Female 13-17
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    April 15, 2008 at 3:31 pm
    R`amen to that Dextrine
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    angelicamber Female 18-29
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    April 15, 2008 at 3:32 pm
    "Well, of course, i`m sure the Religious Education teacher also teaches the evolutionary theory, no doubt.

    "

    Actually they do...or mine did....

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    ClearSky87 Male 18-29
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    April 15, 2008 at 3:34 pm
    Johnnyk123 likes mudkips
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    trinity_enig Female 18-29
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    April 15, 2008 at 4:07 pm
    I didn`t read through all the post so I don`t know how much of this has already been said, but I don`t understand why intelligent design should be taught in a science class- it isn`t science.

    I learnt about evolution in science class and I.D in religious studies. I know some people have said that R.E is offensive for other religons, but I want to know how this can be true? It isn`t Christian studies? We learnt about all the major religons and their major teachings in our RE classes. I never expected to learn about science in RE and RE in science.

    Philosophy is a subject that should be taught along side both RE and science as it involves both, infact scientists are now working with philosophists because they know that they cannot answer everything with science alone.

    And I wish that people would stop categorising all people of a religon under the title of fundementalists its completly unreasonable and about as narrowminded as any fundementalist might be viewed to be.

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    Prinn Male 18-29
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    April 15, 2008 at 4:09 pm
    Aww, she looked like such a nice lady too.
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    ak4775 Male 30-39
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    April 15, 2008 at 4:24 pm
    Yay! Another regurgitated discussion on religion.
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    BrainBits Male 30-39
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    April 15, 2008 at 4:55 pm
    HAHA, You`re ALL WRONG! You`re going to look so foolish after you die and The Flying Spaghetti Monster is judging you.
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    mikeyisred Female 13-17
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    April 15, 2008 at 5:04 pm
    Are you there Flying Spaghetti Monster? It`s me, Texas.
  183. Profile photo of foiledocean
    foiledocean Female 13-17
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    April 15, 2008 at 5:24 pm
    No brain
    FSM is a very non judgemental religion
    as far as we know no one has dies for our religion
    (although we cant speak much for our holy people the pirates=D
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    philycheese Male 13-17
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    April 15, 2008 at 6:00 pm
    sorry to anyone from texas but they have gone a bit too far with the narrowmindedness
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    BlankTom Male 30-39
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    April 15, 2008 at 6:10 pm
    Don`t let Ben Stein see this
  186. Profile photo of catbarf
    catbarf Male 18-29
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    April 15, 2008 at 6:21 pm
    Ben Stein is a liar and cheat. One of the scientists featured in the documentary, PZ Myers, was kicked out of a public advance screening. He and Richard Dawkins were lied to, given the premise that the movie was called `Crossroads` and was a fair look at both creationism and evolution.
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    runeguy37 Male 13-17
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    April 15, 2008 at 7:39 pm
    I don`t think we`re in Kansas anymore!
  188. Profile photo of BrainBits
    BrainBits Male 30-39
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    April 15, 2008 at 7:40 pm
    I`m an FSM fundamentalist. I have already constructed a truck that will leak tomato sauce EVERYWHERE and a potatoe gun that will fire meat balls at 1 every two minutes (reload is a bitch). I also have two vests with a splatter radius of at least 30 feet. Each.
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    PopeBenedict Male 70 & Over
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    April 15, 2008 at 8:24 pm
    FSM is a false god as is IPU! Repent!!!
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    snow113 Male 18-29
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    April 15, 2008 at 8:50 pm
    controversial videos today...I can`t believe the producers of the documentary (or whatever it was) made her write on the chalk board like Bart Simpson...
  191. Profile photo of SpoonFork
    SpoonFork Male 30-39
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    April 15, 2008 at 9:48 pm
    Please don`t teach children different viewpoints. We can`t have them thinking or anything like that.
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    BikerTeen Male 13-17
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    April 16, 2008 at 12:24 am
    creationism rocks god i love Texas
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    Karen_Lumb Female 13-17
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    April 16, 2008 at 3:55 am
    I did Religious Studies at A Level and part of it was religion and Science. I can`t even remember what we did it was that bad. I think that if they have to teach about creationism in science class maybe they should teach evolution is church. It`s only fair. religion is for religious studies and science is for science.
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    WHOISIT12345 Male 18-29
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    April 16, 2008 at 5:04 am
    EstiloPanama is right....
    you can be Christian AND believe in science!~!!!!!
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    jenren2007 Female 18-29
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    April 16, 2008 at 3:27 pm
    This demonstrates the indoctrination of our public schools. Even though two different and equally valid THEORIES exist (get that? Evolution is only a THEORY), only one is shown to be "right."

    Disregarding that, however, this is very poorly done. Who is going to believe a creepy video with scary music and weird subliminal message cartoons?

    Also, the very fact that this woman would act in such an immature fashion, writing sentences on a blackboard and belittling her students` religious beliefs so flippantly should be red flags that this woman is untrustworthy.

    She`s doing it for publicity, and she seems like a very cruel teacher. As a public school teacher, she should recognize and respect the differing, VALID, opinions of her students.

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    jjcruiser13 Female 18-29
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    April 16, 2008 at 5:26 pm
    "This demonstrates the indoctrination of our public schools. Even though two different and equally valid THEORIES exist (get that? Evolution is only a THEORY), only one is shown to be "right.""

    If intelligent design and evolution are equally valid theories then why not inculde the theories of all religions about how we came to exsist? It`s not like those are the only two options.

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    nirvana_kid Female 18-29
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    April 16, 2008 at 5:27 pm
    Hi, it`s called the establishment clause.
  198. Profile photo of robock
    robock Male 18-29
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    April 16, 2008 at 5:36 pm
    my old friend, when in elementary school, learned evolution in science class and creation in religion class. i think that is how it should stay. the school should hire a religion teacher to teach ID. or maybe just drop evolution from science class? evolution is just a theory amongst many about our origin.

    And why is there a scientology chanel advertisement on this site. god i hate them.

  199. Profile photo of shadow43
    shadow43 Female 18-29
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    April 16, 2008 at 7:42 pm
    `This demonstrates the indoctrination of our public schools. Even though two different and equally valid THEORIES exist (get that? Evolution is only a THEORY), only one is shown to be "right."`

    Actually, there`s more than two theories- you seem to be just counting evolution and the bible`s take on the origin of life. Other religions have different creation theories, you know. If you`re going to bring religion into class, I don`t think its fair to educate about one religion`s viewpoint and not the others.

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    itsgalf Male 18-29
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    April 16, 2008 at 7:43 pm
    you`re all faggots. Have a good night
  201. Profile photo of Turiski
    Turiski Male 13-17
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    April 16, 2008 at 7:50 pm
    While at my core I am a Christian, I`ll be the first to say that this is beyond stupid. Because if you teach Christian creation stories, than don`t you have an obligation to teach Buddhist, Aboriginal, (god help us all) Scientology, and the hundreds of native creation stories?

    And if you do all of that in a science class, what WOULDN`T you have time to do? Genius!

    But this teacher has some serious mixed up priorities if she wanted job security: there are plenty of schools where you can`t get fired to save your life... Massachusetts, maybe?

  202. Profile photo of Turiski
    Turiski Male 13-17
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    April 16, 2008 at 7:58 pm
    Oh, and I forgot the minor detail that in science, theory has a different meaning than in English vernacular which implies a very high degree of certainty. Here are another couple of things that are `still` only scientific theories

    Atomic Theory
    Germ Theory
    Theory of Relativity
    Gravity Theory

    So think about that before you pull out the old "Just a Theory, Just a Theory" response.

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    Turiski Male 13-17
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    April 16, 2008 at 8:04 pm
    And now for my practical opinion on the video:

    "..." wow. That was the worst bit of propaganda I`ve ever seen. The sad part is it probably works on some people.

    *sigh*

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    KoalaMeatPie Male 18-29
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    April 16, 2008 at 11:43 pm
    How many teachers have been fired for not teaching Evolution in their religion class?
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    infearno Male 70 & Over
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    April 16, 2008 at 11:53 pm
    Can I get a great big WHAT THE FCUK?
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    oinj Male 18-29
    23 posts
    April 17, 2008 at 5:52 am
    Classic: be neutral about creationism.
    What the f**k does that mean? Brilliant!
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    JMoney100 Male 18-29
    312 posts
    April 17, 2008 at 9:14 am
    Science and creationism are both fundamentally based on certain things that must be taken for granted. Scientists cannot go any further back than some millionths of a second into the Big Bang, creationists cannot prove that God exists.

    However, both sides can point to an amazingly high number of "coincidences" and deduce certain theories to match their experiments and data. *wink wink*

    Personally, I am more inclined to believe in science because at least scientists are attempting to understand the nature of the universe (God, or whatever you would like to call it), whereas creationists simply leave it all up to an archaic religion that has done a lot more harm in this world than good.

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    itsgalf Male 18-29
    93 posts
    April 17, 2008 at 8:13 pm
    Turiski, theories are usually called theories for a reason.

    The theory of relativity IS just a theory. Granted it seems to hold true in a lot of cases, but it`s just that...a theory. I`ve had to study it in atomic physics, and there are some parts that I can`t help but think is complete and utter bullpoo.

    Also gravity, so far, is unexplainable. We know how it works, but we don`t know what it is.

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    jenren2007 Female 18-29
    20 posts
    April 19, 2008 at 9:29 pm
    Honestly, I would perfectly fine with teaching multiple theories of creation in classrooms.

    It takes as much faith to believe in evolution as it does to believe in intelligent design. Most individuals have no idea why they believe evolution; they simply trust that scientists know better than them, and then scoff at the "religious nuts" who are also putting faith into a higher authority.

    Also, before simply arguing that believers in ID have no idea what they are talking about, I suggest actually doing a bit of research into the topic.

    Read more here:
    http://www.intelligentdesignnetwork.org/...

    Lastly, I would like to point out that ID is not the most important controversy in our country. However the world was created, it`s here now. I would focus more attention on what happens after you die...that`s the thing you can control, and need to seriously consider.

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    Kingtrewq Male 18-29
    7 posts
    April 20, 2008 at 9:19 am
    why couldnt she say she was neutral, wtf, wht she was teaching evolution as a fact, it is theory, just teach it lady
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    REBELComx Male 18-29
    477 posts
    April 20, 2008 at 4:18 pm
    Creationsism and Intelligent Design are not science. These people already have a conclussion and are looking for ways to verify it. That`s the exact opposite of the scientific method. It`s reverse forensics.
    Go ahead and teach creationsim...but do it in a philosophy class.
    BrainBits - Tomato Sauce and Meatballs? Are you sure you`re a fundamentalist and not a Pastafarian (Flying Spaghetti Monster)?
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    Moonsteal72 Female 13-17
    33 posts
    May 2, 2008 at 11:32 pm
    uhm... question... wasn`t the bible created way back when when people didn`t know jack about the world?
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    trashcan7 Male 13-17
    564 posts
    November 24, 2008 at 12:10 am
    Moonsteal72

    uhm... question... wasn`t the bible created way back when when people didn`t know jack about the world?
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    Try reading it sometimes before you make pointless conclusions. It`s not all about the world, but some parts just tellings of what happened at the time.

    Wow, I`m surprised this turned into a debate on religion.

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