Small Church`s Obama Sign Causes Big Controversy

Submitted by: fancylad 9 years ago in
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""Obama, Osma...are they brothers?"" You still think he has a chance in middle America? [Video clip with article.]
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Male 41
I`m assuming Baalthazaq`s double-post is an accident?
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Female 63
I`m not religious, BTW.
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Female 63
The truly ironic thing is that Jesus would agree. Yes, they are brothers, as we are all children of God.

Think about it.

Just another example of how the Christian church has completely perverted the message of Christ.

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Male 41
Wha...? The poll specifically asked about suicide bombings against civilians. The 26% figure comes from those who believed it was ever justified.

And apparently the book you linked to has no sources listed in the appendix, so it would be very difficult if not impossible to verify or debunk anything inside it.

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Male 4,547
And finally:
Your survey still only has 1% saying it was "often justified".

On top of that, remember when I said 7%? Yours says 8%. the only way it`s 26% is if you discount all women period, and all men over 30.

Which is the figure most outlets decided to focus on.

So is it a lie? Not exactly.
Did you turn it in to one? Yes.

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Male 4,547
Sorry had to do some work and had to leave, but I wanted to mention:

It`s the "bombing" part of suicide bombing that`s bad. The suicide is fairly neutral. It`s the killing other people.

What do you think of the following question: "Do you think bombing somewhere can ever be justified, at least in some circumstances?"

How many Americans do you think would say yes?
I`m betting more than 26%.

If the census asked that, I don`t see why not.

Against civilians: No.
It didn`t ask that.
It just asked if it could hypothetically be justified, and quite frankly, in a war, without other options, against military targets, when you are on the defensive, I don`t see why not.

It`s justifiable under the same circumstances any kind of bombing is justifiable.

Oh, and I found the question they asked: The 25% answered it was acceptable "at least in some circumstances".

Bite me.

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Female 2,289
???POTS TI LLIW NEHW !dlrow niffe eht ni etah eht fo lla etah I .gmo
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Male 4,547
"Obviously, the 2007 poll of American Muslims with 26% justifying suicide bombings is a blatant Neo-con/Southern/Republican/Christian lie!"

I didn`t say it was a lie. I`m just saying my sample source is likely to be 500 times bigger than yours, not limited to the USA, has sample questions I`ve seen (and are straightforward), and for fun, compares those figures with non-Muslims.

http://www.amazon.com/Who-Speaks-Islam-B...

For example the US government told the Saudis they weren`t allowed to say 9/11 had a "cause". How dare they "justify" the suicide bombings.

If they`re using that measure to see if Muslims "justify" suicide bombings, I`m surprised it`s not in the 90s, of course suicide bombings have a cause. Nothing happens for no reason.

It`s only justification if you think it`s a good reason.

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Male 4,547
Trinity: No no, no offence, just taking your point further.

For the two people who brought up Hussein:
1) My middle name is effectively Moses.

2) Naming conventions in certain parts of Africa are based on your ancestors. So if your great grandfather named his kid Hussein, that name would stick with your great-grandkid. Even if Hussein was an Atheist, and his son Barack, and His son Barack Junior.

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Female 694
I like Obama... I hope he wins.
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Male 425
OH NO a president that doesn`t believe in el Jeezy Creezy!? That`d be terrible. Imagine, a man/woman that has beliefs of their own. That`s simply wrong. Them bastard non-Christians are ruining this nation.
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Male 1,003
OBAMA IS A MUSLIM. OBAMA IS A TERRORIST. OBAMA IS GAY. OBAMA IS HERE TO DESTROY THE WORLD. OBAMA IS BLACK. OBAMA IS FROM AFRICA. OBAMA HATES JESUS. OBAMA EATS BABIES. OBAMA HAS INTERCOURSE WITH BABIES. OBAMA IS FROM AFGHANISTAN. OBAMA WAS ONE OF THE HIJACKERS ON 9/11. OBAMA IS IN FAVOR OF THE WAR. OBAMA HIRED A PROSTITUTE.
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Female 1,231
"It`s simply to cause people to realize and to see what possibly could happen if we were to get someone in there that does not believe in Jesus Christ," he said.

Seriously, WTF. (Crazy Christians, gotta love `em, though...) It has ALREADY BEEN DEBUNKED THAT OBAMA IS F`ING MUSLIM. That was a stupid rumor and needs to be stopped. So what the HELL does religion have to do with it?

Hm... South Carolina. I believe that is in the... SOUTH. Racist b`tard? Probably, but I`m not making any definite accusations. -wink-

(Sorry if I sound overly bitchy, it`s just that the damned internet rumors are accepted as truth automatically. F`ing sucks).

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Female 83
By the way sandrockk, I don`t think the name your parents gave you denotes your religon, it might possibly let you know something about the area you parents came from possibly. Just think about all the people who are christian and american yet have an arabic name that translates to something else. Not to mention the fact that even if you were brought up with a certain religon you are able to choose a different religon yourself
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Female 83
Baalthazaq- I didn`t mean to offend, I was trying to suggest a tiny number, as I was trying to suggest a tiny number of christians are as narrow minded as this man seems to be.

I was trying stick up for the majority of muslims and christians who are not represented by this story.

Didn`t mean to offend you if I did

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Male 1,003
OBAMA IS A MUSLIM. OBAMA IS A TERRORIST. OBAMA IS GAY. OBAMA IS HERE TO DESTROY THE WORLD. OBAMA IS BLACK. OBAMA IS FROM AFRICA. OBAMA HATES JESUS. OBAMA EATS BABIES. OBAMA HAS INTERCOURSE WITH BABIES. OBAMA IS FROM AFGHANISTAN. OBAMA WAS ONE OF THE HIJACKERS ON 9/11. OBAMA IS IN FAVOR OF THE WAR. OBAMA HIRED A PROSTITUTE.
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Male 37
hmm so whats his middle name cough cough HUSSEIN and so he says he is a christian yeah right
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Male 430
HA HA I liked how they spelled hmm humm
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Male 1,003
OBAMA IS A MUSLIM. OBAMA IS A TERRORIST. OBAMA IS GAY. OBAMA IS HERE TO DESTROY THE WORLD. OBAMA IS BLACK. OBAMA IS FROM AFRICA. OBAMA HATES JESUS. OBAMA EATS BABIES. OBAMA HAS INTERCOURSE WITH BABIES. OBAMA IS FROM AFGHANISTAN. OBAMA WAS ONE OF THE HIJACKERS ON 9/11. OBAMA IS IN FAVOR OF THE WAR. OBAMA HIRED A PROSTITUTE.
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Female 444
It has an update. Apparently, the sign was removed. I was about to rally people on this board to look up the email for "Jonesville Church of God".

I`d hate to hear what he says to the congregation.

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Male 108
"It was never intended to hurt feelings or to offend anybody"

no your right, if you compared me to a terrorist who was responsible for the deaths of countless people, I`d be perfectly fine, don`t worry

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Male 1,455
Eh, who let the monkey onto the keyboard?
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Male 1,003
OBAMA IS A MUSLIM. OBAMA IS A TERRORIST. OBAMA IS GAY. OBAMA IS HERE TO DESTROY THE WORLD. OBAMA IS BLACK. OBAMA IS FROM AFRICA. OBAMA HATES JESUS. OBAMA EATS BABIES. OBAMA HAS INTERCOURSE WITH BABIES. OBAMA IS FROM AFGHANISTAN. OBAMA WAS ONE OF THE HIJACKERS ON 9/11. OBAMA IS IN FAVOR OF THE WAR. OBAMA HIRED A PROSTITUTE.
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Male 3,296
love this political poo
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Male 1,003
OBAMA IS A MUSLIM. OBAMA IS A TERRORIST. OBAMA IS GAY. OBAMA IS HERE TO DESTROY THE WORLD. OBAMA IS BLACK. OBAMA IS FROM AFRICA. OBAMA HATES JESUS. OBAMA EATS BABIES. OBAMA HAS INTERCOURSE WITH BABIES. OBAMA IS FROM AFGHANISTAN. OBAMA WAS ONE OF THE HIJACKERS ON 9/11. OBAMA IS IN FAVOR OF THE WAR. OBAMA HIRED A PROSTITUTE.
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Male 41
I`m so glad that Baalthazaq knows his stuff! Obviously, the 2007 poll of American Muslims with 26% justifying suicide bombings is a blatant Neo-con/Southern/Republican/Christian lie! At least 1/2 of American Muslims know that Arabs didn`t do 9/11!
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Male 559
this pisses me off to no end. partly because of how retarded and ignorant that slogan is and partly because people on here are blaming it on christianity. blaming their idiocy on christianity makes you just as ignorant as they are.
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Female 2,074
Baalthazaq, you are very wise.

Thank you for shedding intelligence on a forum full of idiots (minus the other handful who also have working brain cells...)

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Male 4,547
Trinity: 0.5%?
Try 0.01% of Muslims are terrorists taking the average figures.
Taking the worst possible figures for terrorism: 0.1%.

I can`t tell you the number of times some idiot on these forums has tried to tell me (living in a Muslim country, being Muslim, travelling to other Muslim countries) what "Mainstream Islam" thinks.

996 out of 1000 mosques surveyed condemned 9/11 on 9/12.
Survey of 50`000 Muslims (Largest ever) showed 93% against terrorism/violence, with most of the remaining 7% in favour for political (NOT religious) reasons.

The stereotype is beyond paranoia and racism. It`s gone well past the borders of delusion when you ignore those kind of odds.

P.S.
How ignorant do you have to be to not understand that out of 345`000 churches in the US, this one doesn`t represent them all.

Yes there are going to be negative stories. If 1% are bad, that`s 34500 stories.

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Female 19
Yes, because everyone named Mary, Harry, Barry, Shari, Teri, Larry, Jerry, and Perry are related.
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Male 1,024
@ SnflwrWrlrd: LOL.

god, dog
hmmmm. are they anagrams?

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Male 41
I support Obama`s message of unity by blasting everything/everyone I deem too Republican, Christian, or Southern.
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Male 1,024
Roger Byrd, Stinking Tyrd
hmmm, are they twins?

just sayin.

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Male 1,024
1. There is no religious test for public office in the US. It always seems to be the most backward arch-conservative bumpkins who rail at the skies about the Constitution, but then freak out when it doesn`t suit their needs.

2. Typical non-apology apology. Instead of "I`m sorry I did that." it`s "I`m sorry if you were offended by what I did."

3. "Byrd also said he doesn`t want it to look like controversy forced him to take the sign down." Ouch. That`s some bad writing and/or copy editing.

4. @ Maelstrom x: it`s Nader. and if you don`t even know how to spell his name, i doubt you know a thing about his party`s (yes, that`s a joke) platform.

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Male 63
It`s funny, because he wanted to get people to think when he clearly can`t.
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Male 41
Good thing that Obama is not depending on the crucial white bigot vote to win this election.
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Male 3,369
You told the truth?
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Male 41
USING STEREOTYPES IS SO FUC KING IGNORANT AND STUPID!!

ALL REPUBLICANS, CHRISTIANS, AND SOUTHERNERS ARE IGNORANT, STUPID FASCISTS!!

U C WUT I DID THAR!!??

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Male 625
why should it matter what religion he is anyway? christ loving retards.
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Female 744
I used to be a Christian, then I opened my eyes to poo like this, and decided I didn`t want to say "baaa" any more.

Fck Christianity. They have a long history of violence, sexism and racism. You worship a loving God? This same "loving God" kills everyone and everything except for a small family and an impossible number of animals on a wooden boat? Think again, fcktards.

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Female 505
Obama is a giant floating earth-colored sphere?
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Female 83
He wants people to think what it would be like if a none christian was in office? Because Christians never do anything bad?? Just like Muslim never do anything good?

Does he even realise what his own religons stance was on issues like the halocaust or the slave trade? Did he realise that out of the millions of muslims in the world about 0.5% of them may commit act of terrorism. Probably about the same number of christians in the KKK or something.

Just goes to show how narrow minded people can be, and how they are unable to form an opinion without the influence of the media. Half of this all muslims are terrorist bullsh*t wouldn`t even be an issue if it weren`t for the stupid media, who are again bringing something completely unworthy of anyones attention to the forefront of our minds.

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Male 2
Does that mean Satan and Santa are brothers too?
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Male 2,293
This is so dumb sh*t.

Also, he`s using the Fox Tactic, which is to ask a question like: "Is Obama raping little kids?"

Hey, we`re not saying he`s raping kids. We`re just asking...

BULLSH*T!

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Female 160
The most common name in the world is not Matthew, Mark, Luke or John it is Muhammued...So yeah..Let`s get on a guy`s case because his father named him according to his traditions.
Midwestern ignorance rears it`s idiotic head...
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Male 39
lol, i love the other news in that town:

Another Infant Dies In Parent`s Bed
Motorcyclist Killed In Crash, 100 Yards From Home
Man May Not Be Charged For Fatally Shooting Son
Audit: Before Suicide, Man Embezzled From Missing Couple
Half Of Town`s Firefighters Quit

issues? i no longer wonder why they`re stupid enough to think people with similar sounding first names might have similar ideology.

like our glorious president once said. "i gotta have faith, faith, faith! i gotta have faith"

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Male 105
ok this guy`s blatently a racist bastard who doesn`t want a black guy in power... retard... unless he actually believes that people whose names sound the same are technically & genetically brothers.. good logic
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Male 139
It`s not controversial, it`s retarded people acting retarded. It happens all the time! Nobody should take this moron seriously, considering he apparently doesn`t know the definition of political or racist.
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Male 1
This level of ignorance is incredible, I knew that it was this bad, but it still shocks me...
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Male 128
Funny stuff from a guy who worships someone who looks a lot like a Charles Manson
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Male 227
lol yea this isn`t racist or closed-minded or anything...

i`m not trying to be racist...but maybe black people just aren`t as smart as white people *sarcasm*

i bet these idiots voted 4 bush...twice!!!

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Male 3,364
Lol..yeah, all Muslims are terrorists like all Italians are Mafia, or all conservative Christian are closet homosexuals. And yes, many Southerners do make me mad. Im not from the south originally, but it`s amazing how ignorant some people down here are.
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Male 188
Christ, I hate that religion still matters in US politics.
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Male 146
Ridiculous... having said that, I`m not surprised. I`m glad I live in Canada. At least we don`t have as many retards using religion to further a political agenda.
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Male 4,746
I feel really sorry for those of you in the South who have to put up with this kind of crap. If gives all of you a bad name and it must make you so mad...
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Male 1,141
Wow how close minded and racist to tie the two together. Why do people make such a big deal out of Obama having a Muslim name? Probably because most people immediately tie Muslims with violence and 9/11 so therefore all Muslims are evil terrorist. People have to realize that its a stereotype.
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Male 3,369
What a cupid stunt!
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Male 3,364
Quicksand8 and this pastor are perfevt examples of why some people aren`t mature enough to have the right to vote. See, I learned not to make fun of peoples names when I was a small child. That being said, I consider many republicans to have the mentality of toddlers.
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Male 1,882
Case in point:

Wednesday, April 23, 2008 7:25:09 AM
Obama Your drating House, But drat Hilery Too. Vote For Nater, Don`t Be A Nater Hater!

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Female 2,074
"It`s simply to cause people to realize and to see what possibly could happen if we were to get someone in there that does not believe in Jesus Christ," he said.

I would agree, but I can`t...seeing as how Bush (a Christian) made a huge, horrible mess during his whole term. But I must say, for the church leader to put that on the church bullentin
outside....that is not tasteful at all.

Well anyway, Hillary...FTW!!

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Male 1,882
Who cares? How is this a controversy? The media has pointed out the whole "Obama/Osama" thing since DAY F***ING ONE. Get over it.

Also, stop moaning about Fancylad`s typos. hafl of u guyz tipe liek thiss n e wayz so i wuldnt talk if i wer u!!1

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Female 3,001
tho not the christian bit...
Jesus rocks :P
woopwoop
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Female 3,001
how stupid. what everyone else has said ^^^^^
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Male 1,455
Who the hell is "Osma"?

I hope you mean Osama Fancylad...

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Male 205
NOT JUST THAT HIS MIDDLE NAME IS HUSSEIN!!!

democracy ftw?

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Male 3
My name doesn`t sound similar to my brothers name...?

Does that mean I must be adopted?

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Male 271
Damn, it cut me off.

ANYWAY, this guy saying this wasn`t politically or racially motivated is like a neo-Nazi saying "we don`t hate black people or Jews, we just want to provoke discussion on race and MAKE PEOPLE THINK" after tattooing an SS logo on his bicep, or wherever the f*ck these morons get tattoos.

Oh I`m thinking alright, Mr. Church Sign man. Thinking about how glad I am I don`t live in your country, and how glad I`ll be when the open-minded finally outnumber the ignorant so your country can finally elect someone because of the good they will do for the nation, not because of their age or skin colour or gender or religion or name or marital status or sexual orientation or how much sh*t they talk about their opponents. I`m crossing my fingers for 2008, but I`m willing to wait.

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Male 271
People who think there is any connection between someone who has a first name and someone who was born with the last name of his father whom he hasn`t seen since he was a child, simply because they are similar, is a complete and utter moron.

The names aren`t even of the same origin! (OSAMA means lion in Arabic, OBAMA means "to bow" in Luo)

That`s like saying Hillary Clinton is related to funk singer George Clinton. That`s like saying Dick CHEney is related to CHE Guevara.

That`s like saying George W Bush is related to Prescott Bush, well known Nazi collaborator and funder, are related... OH WAIT THEY ARE! HOW COME NO ONE MADE THIS CONNECTION ON A CHURCH BOARD!? BUSH`S GRANDPA GAVE THE NAZIS MONEY!

quick_sand8, don`t equate courage or "balls" with ignorance, they are not the same thing. It takes courage for a man like Obama to run for presidency in a country where ignorant dummies like this church sign guy reside.

He knows his name rhymes with Osama! He`

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Female 9
Wow...thier names rhyme...Impressive connection. psh........
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Male 1,083
wow thats so unbelievably small minded.
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Male 153
^ shoo

And yeah. Christianity at its all time low.

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Male 435
Fuc king, Fuc king, Not Drating, Fuc king!!!
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Male 1,498
Seems like a muslim might be better then these pedophile christians. DO NOT LEAVE YOUR CHILD NEAR A CHRISTIAN UNATTENDED!

The catholic priests.. the texas mormons.. its only a matter of time till they are all outed!

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Male 435
Obama Your drating House, But drat Hilery Too. Vote For Nater, Don`t Be A Nater Hater!
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Female 660
uhmkay..
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Female 466
It`s about time someone had the balls to say what most of us non Oblaaaaaaaaaama supporters think!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Male 901
My god, that`s stupid. Christianity in a nutshell.
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Male 174
If you want him to be Christian; and he says that he`s a Christian; why the hell would you still attack him? I guess it doesn`t count unless you are Republican. Silly extremists! I miss Ron Paul.
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Male 281
)-|

Literally stupid as hell.

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Male 415
Hardly surprising, took long enough for a church to put this up.
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Female 49
hah! Not meant to be political, huh?
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Male 20,158
Link: Small Church`s Obama Sign Causes Big Controversy [Rate Link] - ``Obama, Osma...are they brothers?`` You still think he has a chance in middle America? [Video clip with article.]
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