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82 Responses to Small Church`s Obama Sign Causes Big Controversy

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    fancylad Male 30-39
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    April 23, 2008 at 1:48 am
    Link: Small Church`s Obama Sign Causes Big Controversy - ``Obama, Osma...are they brothers?`` You still think he has a chance in middle America?
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    GeorgieRose Female 18-29
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    April 23, 2008 at 7:09 am
    hah! Not meant to be political, huh?
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    Zieveraar Male 30-39
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    April 23, 2008 at 7:11 am
    Hardly surprising, took long enough for a church to put this up.
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    mrcristo Male 18-29
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    April 23, 2008 at 7:17 am
    )-|

    Literally stupid as hell.

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    Philomath Male 18-29
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    April 23, 2008 at 7:22 am
    If you want him to be Christian; and he says that he`s a Christian; why the hell would you still attack him? I guess it doesn`t count unless you are Republican. Silly extremists! I miss Ron Paul.
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    quick_sand8 Female 40-49
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    April 23, 2008 at 7:23 am
    It`s about time someone had the balls to say what most of us non Oblaaaaaaaaaama supporters think!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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    Hansbo Male 18-29
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    April 23, 2008 at 7:23 am
    My god, that`s stupid. Christianity in a nutshell.
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    Razamire Female 18-29
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    April 23, 2008 at 7:23 am
    uhmkay..
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    demonclown Male 18-29
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    April 23, 2008 at 7:25 am
    Obama Your drating House, But drat Hilery Too. Vote For Nater, Don`t Be A Nater Hater!
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    Daegog Male 30-39
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    April 23, 2008 at 7:27 am
    Seems like a muslim might be better then these pedophile christians. DO NOT LEAVE YOUR CHILD NEAR A CHRISTIAN UNATTENDED!

    The catholic priests.. the texas mormons.. its only a matter of time till they are all outed!

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    demonclown Male 18-29
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    April 23, 2008 at 7:27 am
    Fuc king, Fuc king, Not Drating, Fuc king!!!
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    wyngit Male 18-29
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    April 23, 2008 at 7:30 am
    ^ shoo

    And yeah. Christianity at its all time low.

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    look215 Male 18-29
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    April 23, 2008 at 7:33 am
    wow thats so unbelievably small minded.
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    milk_da_funk Female 18-29
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    April 23, 2008 at 7:33 am
    Wow...thier names rhyme...Impressive connection. psh........
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    mrtatulas Male 18-29
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    April 23, 2008 at 7:44 am
    People who think there is any connection between someone who has a first name and someone who was born with the last name of his father whom he hasn`t seen since he was a child, simply because they are similar, is a complete and utter moron.

    The names aren`t even of the same origin! (OSAMA means lion in Arabic, OBAMA means "to bow" in Luo)

    That`s like saying Hillary Clinton is related to funk singer George Clinton. That`s like saying Dick CHEney is related to CHE Guevara.

    That`s like saying George W Bush is related to Prescott Bush, well known Nazi collaborator and funder, are related... OH WAIT THEY ARE! HOW COME NO ONE MADE THIS CONNECTION ON A CHURCH BOARD!? BUSH`S GRANDPA GAVE THE NAZIS MONEY!

    quick_sand8, don`t equate courage or "balls" with ignorance, they are not the same thing. It takes courage for a man like Obama to run for presidency in a country where ignorant dummies like this church sign guy reside.

    He knows his name rhymes with Osama! He`

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    mrtatulas Male 18-29
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    April 23, 2008 at 7:50 am
    Damn, it cut me off.

    ANYWAY, this guy saying this wasn`t politically or racially motivated is like a neo-Nazi saying "we don`t hate black people or Jews, we just want to provoke discussion on race and MAKE PEOPLE THINK" after tattooing an SS logo on his bicep, or wherever the f*ck these morons get tattoos.

    Oh I`m thinking alright, Mr. Church Sign man. Thinking about how glad I am I don`t live in your country, and how glad I`ll be when the open-minded finally outnumber the ignorant so your country can finally elect someone because of the good they will do for the nation, not because of their age or skin colour or gender or religion or name or marital status or sexual orientation or how much sh*t they talk about their opponents. I`m crossing my fingers for 2008, but I`m willing to wait.

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    nomis Male 18-29
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    April 23, 2008 at 7:50 am
    My name doesn`t sound similar to my brothers name...?

    Does that mean I must be adopted?

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    RelaxEnjoy Male 18-29
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    April 23, 2008 at 7:51 am
    NOT JUST THAT HIS MIDDLE NAME IS HUSSEIN!!!

    democracy ftw?

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    elHadji Male 70 & Over
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    April 23, 2008 at 7:57 am
    Who the hell is "Osma"?

    I hope you mean Osama Fancylad...

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    ruthless1990 Female 18-29
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    April 23, 2008 at 7:57 am
    how stupid. what everyone else has said ^^^^^
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    ruthless1990 Female 18-29
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    April 23, 2008 at 8:02 am
    tho not the christian bit...
    Jesus rocks :P
    woopwoop
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    Maelstrom_x Male 18-29
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    April 23, 2008 at 8:08 am
    Who cares? How is this a controversy? The media has pointed out the whole "Obama/Osama" thing since DAY F***ING ONE. Get over it.

    Also, stop moaning about Fancylad`s typos. hafl of u guyz tipe liek thiss n e wayz so i wuldnt talk if i wer u!!1

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    EstiloPanama Female 18-29
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    April 23, 2008 at 8:08 am
    "It`s simply to cause people to realize and to see what possibly could happen if we were to get someone in there that does not believe in Jesus Christ," he said.

    I would agree, but I can`t...seeing as how Bush (a Christian) made a huge, horrible mess during his whole term. But I must say, for the church leader to put that on the church bullentin
    outside....that is not tasteful at all.

    Well anyway, Hillary...FTW!!

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    Maelstrom_x Male 18-29
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    April 23, 2008 at 8:10 am
    Case in point:

    Wednesday, April 23, 2008 7:25:09 AM
    Obama Your drating House, But drat Hilery Too. Vote For Nater, Don`t Be A Nater Hater!

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    jtrebowski Male 40-49
    3359 posts
    April 23, 2008 at 8:16 am
    Quicksand8 and this pastor are perfevt examples of why some people aren`t mature enough to have the right to vote. See, I learned not to make fun of peoples names when I was a small child. That being said, I consider many republicans to have the mentality of toddlers.
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    The_Maddog Male 30-39
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    April 23, 2008 at 8:29 am
    What a cupid stunt!
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    NOFX14 Male 18-29
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    April 23, 2008 at 8:36 am
    Wow how close minded and racist to tie the two together. Why do people make such a big deal out of Obama having a Muslim name? Probably because most people immediately tie Muslims with violence and 9/11 so therefore all Muslims are evil terrorist. People have to realize that its a stereotype.
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    patchouly Male 40-49
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    April 23, 2008 at 8:36 am
    I feel really sorry for those of you in the South who have to put up with this kind of crap. If gives all of you a bad name and it must make you so mad...
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    kurush Male 18-29
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    April 23, 2008 at 8:38 am
    Ridiculous... having said that, I`m not surprised. I`m glad I live in Canada. At least we don`t have as many retards using religion to further a political agenda.
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    luckyaxolotl Male 18-29
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    April 23, 2008 at 8:42 am
    Christ, I hate that religion still matters in US politics.
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    jtrebowski Male 40-49
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    April 23, 2008 at 8:46 am
    Lol..yeah, all Muslims are terrorists like all Italians are Mafia, or all conservative Christian are closet homosexuals. And yes, many Southerners do make me mad. Im not from the south originally, but it`s amazing how ignorant some people down here are.
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    ClearSky87 Male 18-29
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    April 23, 2008 at 8:54 am
    lol yea this isn`t racist or closed-minded or anything...

    i`m not trying to be racist...but maybe black people just aren`t as smart as white people *sarcasm*

    i bet these idiots voted 4 bush...twice!!!

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    kaptink Male 18-29
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    April 23, 2008 at 9:12 am
    Funny stuff from a guy who worships someone who looks a lot like a Charles Manson
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    btess Male 18-29
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    April 23, 2008 at 9:12 am
    This level of ignorance is incredible, I knew that it was this bad, but it still shocks me...
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    Maxim86 Male 18-29
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    April 23, 2008 at 9:34 am
    It`s not controversial, it`s retarded people acting retarded. It happens all the time! Nobody should take this moron seriously, considering he apparently doesn`t know the definition of political or racist.
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    tispayne Male 18-29
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    April 23, 2008 at 9:57 am
    ok this guy`s blatently a racist bastard who doesn`t want a black guy in power... retard... unless he actually believes that people whose names sound the same are technically & genetically brothers.. good logic
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    frothr Male 30-39
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    April 23, 2008 at 10:01 am
    lol, i love the other news in that town:

    Another Infant Dies In Parent`s Bed
    Motorcyclist Killed In Crash, 100 Yards From Home
    Man May Not Be Charged For Fatally Shooting Son
    Audit: Before Suicide, Man Embezzled From Missing Couple
    Half Of Town`s Firefighters Quit

    issues? i no longer wonder why they`re stupid enough to think people with similar sounding first names might have similar ideology.

    like our glorious president once said. "i gotta have faith, faith, faith! i gotta have faith"

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    shelerella Female 18-29
    160 posts
    April 23, 2008 at 10:16 am
    The most common name in the world is not Matthew, Mark, Luke or John it is Muhammued...So yeah..Let`s get on a guy`s case because his father named him according to his traditions.
    Midwestern ignorance rears it`s idiotic head...
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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    April 23, 2008 at 10:20 am
    This is so dumb sh*t.

    Also, he`s using the Fox Tactic, which is to ask a question like: "Is Obama raping little kids?"

    Hey, we`re not saying he`s raping kids. We`re just asking...

    BULLSH*T!

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    SnflwrWrlrd Male 18-29
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    April 23, 2008 at 10:39 am
    Does that mean Satan and Santa are brothers too?
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    trinity_enig Female 18-29
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    April 23, 2008 at 10:43 am
    He wants people to think what it would be like if a none christian was in office? Because Christians never do anything bad?? Just like Muslim never do anything good?

    Does he even realise what his own religons stance was on issues like the halocaust or the slave trade? Did he realise that out of the millions of muslims in the world about 0.5% of them may commit act of terrorism. Probably about the same number of christians in the KKK or something.

    Just goes to show how narrow minded people can be, and how they are unable to form an opinion without the influence of the media. Half of this all muslims are terrorist bullsh*t wouldn`t even be an issue if it weren`t for the stupid media, who are again bringing something completely unworthy of anyones attention to the forefront of our minds.

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    obesepig Female 13-17
    505 posts
    April 23, 2008 at 10:48 am
    Obama is a giant floating earth-colored sphere?
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    Surfingninja Female 18-29
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    April 23, 2008 at 11:05 am
    I used to be a Christian, then I opened my eyes to poo like this, and decided I didn`t want to say "baaa" any more.

    Fck Christianity. They have a long history of violence, sexism and racism. You worship a loving God? This same "loving God" kills everyone and everything except for a small family and an impossible number of animals on a wooden boat? Think again, fcktards.

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    thetoastking Male 18-29
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    April 23, 2008 at 11:07 am
    why should it matter what religion he is anyway? christ loving retards.
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    TypicalIABer Male 18-29
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    April 23, 2008 at 11:11 am
    USING STEREOTYPES IS SO FUC KING IGNORANT AND STUPID!!

    ALL REPUBLICANS, CHRISTIANS, AND SOUTHERNERS ARE IGNORANT, STUPID FASCISTS!!

    U C WUT I DID THAR!!??

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    The_Maddog Male 30-39
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    April 23, 2008 at 11:22 am
    You told the truth?
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    mago Male 18-29
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    April 23, 2008 at 11:24 am
    Good thing that Obama is not depending on the crucial white bigot vote to win this election.
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    Prinn Male 18-29
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    April 23, 2008 at 11:59 am
    It`s funny, because he wanted to get people to think when he clearly can`t.
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    jetmark Male 30-39
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    April 23, 2008 at 12:05 pm
    1. There is no religious test for public office in the US. It always seems to be the most backward arch-conservative bumpkins who rail at the skies about the Constitution, but then freak out when it doesn`t suit their needs.

    2. Typical non-apology apology. Instead of "I`m sorry I did that." it`s "I`m sorry if you were offended by what I did."

    3. "Byrd also said he doesn`t want it to look like controversy forced him to take the sign down." Ouch. That`s some bad writing and/or copy editing.

    4. @ Maelstrom x: it`s Nader. and if you don`t even know how to spell his name, i doubt you know a thing about his party`s (yes, that`s a joke) platform.

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    jetmark Male 30-39
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    April 23, 2008 at 12:06 pm
    Roger Byrd, Stinking Tyrd
    hmmm, are they twins?

    just sayin.

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    TypicalIABer Male 18-29
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    April 23, 2008 at 12:07 pm
    I support Obama`s message of unity by blasting everything/everyone I deem too Republican, Christian, or Southern.
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    jetmark Male 30-39
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    April 23, 2008 at 12:10 pm
    @ SnflwrWrlrd: LOL.

    god, dog
    hmmmm. are they anagrams?

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    chershey Female 18-29
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    April 23, 2008 at 12:20 pm
    Yes, because everyone named Mary, Harry, Barry, Shari, Teri, Larry, Jerry, and Perry are related.
  54. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    April 23, 2008 at 1:00 pm
    Trinity: 0.5%?
    Try 0.01% of Muslims are terrorists taking the average figures.
    Taking the worst possible figures for terrorism: 0.1%.

    I can`t tell you the number of times some idiot on these forums has tried to tell me (living in a Muslim country, being Muslim, travelling to other Muslim countries) what "Mainstream Islam" thinks.

    996 out of 1000 mosques surveyed condemned 9/11 on 9/12.
    Survey of 50`000 Muslims (Largest ever) showed 93% against terrorism/violence, with most of the remaining 7% in favour for political (NOT religious) reasons.

    The stereotype is beyond paranoia and racism. It`s gone well past the borders of delusion when you ignore those kind of odds.

    P.S.
    How ignorant do you have to be to not understand that out of 345`000 churches in the US, this one doesn`t represent them all.

    Yes there are going to be negative stories. If 1% are bad, that`s 34500 stories.

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    EstiloPanama Female 18-29
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    April 23, 2008 at 1:10 pm
    Baalthazaq, you are very wise.

    Thank you for shedding intelligence on a forum full of idiots (minus the other handful who also have working brain cells...)

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    headwound Male 13-17
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    April 23, 2008 at 1:12 pm
    this pisses me off to no end. partly because of how retarded and ignorant that slogan is and partly because people on here are blaming it on christianity. blaming their idiocy on christianity makes you just as ignorant as they are.
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    TypicalIABer Male 18-29
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    April 23, 2008 at 1:40 pm
    I`m so glad that Baalthazaq knows his stuff! Obviously, the 2007 poll of American Muslims with 26% justifying suicide bombings is a blatant Neo-con/Southern/Republican/Christian lie! At least 1/2 of American Muslims know that Arabs didn`t do 9/11!
  58. Profile photo of Wey_Pooh
    Wey_Pooh Male 18-29
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    April 23, 2008 at 3:17 pm
    OBAMA IS A MUSLIM. OBAMA IS A TERRORIST. OBAMA IS GAY. OBAMA IS HERE TO DESTROY THE WORLD. OBAMA IS BLACK. OBAMA IS FROM AFRICA. OBAMA HATES JESUS. OBAMA EATS BABIES. OBAMA HAS INTERCOURSE WITH BABIES. OBAMA IS FROM AFGHANISTAN. OBAMA WAS ONE OF THE HIJACKERS ON 9/11. OBAMA IS IN FAVOR OF THE WAR. OBAMA HIRED A PROSTITUTE.
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    Tonyjet Male 18-29
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    April 23, 2008 at 3:33 pm
    love this political poo
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    Wey_Pooh Male 18-29
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    April 23, 2008 at 3:37 pm
    OBAMA IS A MUSLIM. OBAMA IS A TERRORIST. OBAMA IS GAY. OBAMA IS HERE TO DESTROY THE WORLD. OBAMA IS BLACK. OBAMA IS FROM AFRICA. OBAMA HATES JESUS. OBAMA EATS BABIES. OBAMA HAS INTERCOURSE WITH BABIES. OBAMA IS FROM AFGHANISTAN. OBAMA WAS ONE OF THE HIJACKERS ON 9/11. OBAMA IS IN FAVOR OF THE WAR. OBAMA HIRED A PROSTITUTE.
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    catbarf Male 18-29
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    April 23, 2008 at 3:45 pm
    Eh, who let the monkey onto the keyboard?
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    _TiKi_ Male 18-29
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    April 23, 2008 at 3:57 pm
    "It was never intended to hurt feelings or to offend anybody"

    no your right, if you compared me to a terrorist who was responsible for the deaths of countless people, I`d be perfectly fine, don`t worry

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    NicoNico Female 18-29
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    April 23, 2008 at 4:36 pm
    It has an update. Apparently, the sign was removed. I was about to rally people on this board to look up the email for "Jonesville Church of God".

    I`d hate to hear what he says to the congregation.

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    Wey_Pooh Male 18-29
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    April 23, 2008 at 4:37 pm
    OBAMA IS A MUSLIM. OBAMA IS A TERRORIST. OBAMA IS GAY. OBAMA IS HERE TO DESTROY THE WORLD. OBAMA IS BLACK. OBAMA IS FROM AFRICA. OBAMA HATES JESUS. OBAMA EATS BABIES. OBAMA HAS INTERCOURSE WITH BABIES. OBAMA IS FROM AFGHANISTAN. OBAMA WAS ONE OF THE HIJACKERS ON 9/11. OBAMA IS IN FAVOR OF THE WAR. OBAMA HIRED A PROSTITUTE.
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    evilducky00 Male 18-29
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    April 23, 2008 at 4:41 pm
    HA HA I liked how they spelled hmm humm
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    sandrock42 Male 13-17
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    April 23, 2008 at 5:23 pm
    hmm so whats his middle name cough cough HUSSEIN and so he says he is a christian yeah right
  67. Profile photo of Wey_Pooh
    Wey_Pooh Male 18-29
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    April 23, 2008 at 5:38 pm
    OBAMA IS A MUSLIM. OBAMA IS A TERRORIST. OBAMA IS GAY. OBAMA IS HERE TO DESTROY THE WORLD. OBAMA IS BLACK. OBAMA IS FROM AFRICA. OBAMA HATES JESUS. OBAMA EATS BABIES. OBAMA HAS INTERCOURSE WITH BABIES. OBAMA IS FROM AFGHANISTAN. OBAMA WAS ONE OF THE HIJACKERS ON 9/11. OBAMA IS IN FAVOR OF THE WAR. OBAMA HIRED A PROSTITUTE.
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    trinity_enig Female 18-29
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    April 23, 2008 at 5:38 pm
    Baalthazaq- I didn`t mean to offend, I was trying to suggest a tiny number, as I was trying to suggest a tiny number of christians are as narrow minded as this man seems to be.

    I was trying stick up for the majority of muslims and christians who are not represented by this story.

    Didn`t mean to offend you if I did

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    trinity_enig Female 18-29
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    April 23, 2008 at 5:42 pm
    By the way sandrockk, I don`t think the name your parents gave you denotes your religon, it might possibly let you know something about the area you parents came from possibly. Just think about all the people who are christian and american yet have an arabic name that translates to something else. Not to mention the fact that even if you were brought up with a certain religon you are able to choose a different religon yourself
  70. Profile photo of firefliet
    firefliet Female 18-29
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    April 23, 2008 at 5:55 pm
    "It`s simply to cause people to realize and to see what possibly could happen if we were to get someone in there that does not believe in Jesus Christ," he said.

    Seriously, WTF. (Crazy Christians, gotta love `em, though...) It has ALREADY BEEN DEBUNKED THAT OBAMA IS F`ING MUSLIM. That was a stupid rumor and needs to be stopped. So what the HELL does religion have to do with it?

    Hm... South Carolina. I believe that is in the... SOUTH. Racist b`tard? Probably, but I`m not making any definite accusations. -wink-

    (Sorry if I sound overly bitchy, it`s just that the damned internet rumors are accepted as truth automatically. F`ing sucks).

  71. Profile photo of Wey_Pooh
    Wey_Pooh Male 18-29
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    April 23, 2008 at 6:23 pm
    OBAMA IS A MUSLIM. OBAMA IS A TERRORIST. OBAMA IS GAY. OBAMA IS HERE TO DESTROY THE WORLD. OBAMA IS BLACK. OBAMA IS FROM AFRICA. OBAMA HATES JESUS. OBAMA EATS BABIES. OBAMA HAS INTERCOURSE WITH BABIES. OBAMA IS FROM AFGHANISTAN. OBAMA WAS ONE OF THE HIJACKERS ON 9/11. OBAMA IS IN FAVOR OF THE WAR. OBAMA HIRED A PROSTITUTE.
  72. Profile photo of Stentorian
    Stentorian Male 13-17
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    April 23, 2008 at 6:30 pm
    OH NO a president that doesn`t believe in el Jeezy Creezy!? That`d be terrible. Imagine, a man/woman that has beliefs of their own. That`s simply wrong. Them bastard non-Christians are ruining this nation.
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    Kisato Female 18-29
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    April 23, 2008 at 8:58 pm
    I like Obama... I hope he wins.
  74. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    April 23, 2008 at 9:46 pm
    Trinity: No no, no offence, just taking your point further.

    For the two people who brought up Hussein:
    1) My middle name is effectively Moses.

    2) Naming conventions in certain parts of Africa are based on your ancestors. So if your great grandfather named his kid Hussein, that name would stick with your great-grandkid. Even if Hussein was an Atheist, and his son Barack, and His son Barack Junior.

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    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    April 23, 2008 at 10:03 pm
    "Obviously, the 2007 poll of American Muslims with 26% justifying suicide bombings is a blatant Neo-con/Southern/Republican/Christian lie!"

    I didn`t say it was a lie. I`m just saying my sample source is likely to be 500 times bigger than yours, not limited to the USA, has sample questions I`ve seen (and are straightforward), and for fun, compares those figures with non-Muslims.

    http://www.amazon.com/Who-Speaks-Islam-B...

    For example the US government told the Saudis they weren`t allowed to say 9/11 had a "cause". How dare they "justify" the suicide bombings.

    If they`re using that measure to see if Muslims "justify" suicide bombings, I`m surprised it`s not in the 90s, of course suicide bombings have a cause. Nothing happens for no reason.

    It`s only justification if you think it`s a good reason.

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    britt566 Female 18-29
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    April 24, 2008 at 12:27 am
    ???POTS TI LLIW NEHW !dlrow niffe eht ni etah eht fo lla etah I .gmo
  77. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    April 24, 2008 at 12:30 am
    Sorry had to do some work and had to leave, but I wanted to mention:

    It`s the "bombing" part of suicide bombing that`s bad. The suicide is fairly neutral. It`s the killing other people.

    What do you think of the following question: "Do you think bombing somewhere can ever be justified, at least in some circumstances?"

    How many Americans do you think would say yes?
    I`m betting more than 26%.

    If the census asked that, I don`t see why not.

    Against civilians: No.
    It didn`t ask that.
    It just asked if it could hypothetically be justified, and quite frankly, in a war, without other options, against military targets, when you are on the defensive, I don`t see why not.

    It`s justifiable under the same circumstances any kind of bombing is justifiable.

    Oh, and I found the question they asked: The 25% answered it was acceptable "at least in some circumstances".

    Bite me.

  78. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    April 24, 2008 at 12:50 am
    And finally:
    Your survey still only has 1% saying it was "often justified".

    On top of that, remember when I said 7%? Yours says 8%. the only way it`s 26% is if you discount all women period, and all men over 30.

    Which is the figure most outlets decided to focus on.

    So is it a lie? Not exactly.
    Did you turn it in to one? Yes.

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    TypicalIABer Male 18-29
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    April 24, 2008 at 10:37 am
    Wha...? The poll specifically asked about suicide bombings against civilians. The 26% figure comes from those who believed it was ever justified.

    And apparently the book you linked to has no sources listed in the appendix, so it would be very difficult if not impossible to verify or debunk anything inside it.

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    maryinblue Female 18-29
    63 posts
    April 24, 2008 at 4:01 pm
    The truly ironic thing is that Jesus would agree. Yes, they are brothers, as we are all children of God.

    Think about it.

    Just another example of how the Christian church has completely perverted the message of Christ.

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    maryinblue Female 18-29
    63 posts
    April 24, 2008 at 4:02 pm
    I`m not religious, BTW.
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    TypicalIABer Male 18-29
    41 posts
    April 24, 2008 at 5:39 pm
    I`m assuming Baalthazaq`s double-post is an accident?

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