Homosexuality: Is It A Choice?

Submitted by: angelicamber 9 years ago in Funny
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An short, but interesting documentary aimed at people who say homosexuality is a choice. It"s fabulously animated!
There are 293 comments:
Male 1,225
I was going to join in nifty, but then I realized how badly you messed up. You combined the first stanza with the second.

Not cool.

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Female 416
Who wants to join me in a round of "If You Were Gay" from Avenue Q?

I`ll start...

If you were gay
That`d be okay
Because hey
I`d like you anyway,
And I know that you
Would accept me toooooo! If I told you today that I was gay-but I`m not gay

Everybody now!!!

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Male 477
Homosexuality is observed in more than 1500 other species, primate and non-primate alike. And there`s weirder things in nature than being gay...like frogs who change gender to curb overpopulation. "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy."
Prior to the Christianization of Rome and everywhere outside of Judaia, forms of homosexuality were actualy looked highly upon, sometimes deified. Rome, China, India, Japan, Northern Europe, and Egypt were all accepting of it. The first historical evidence of a gay couple comes from ancient Egypt.
In the end, IT DOESN`T MATTER if it`s a choice or not. Even if it IS a choice, it is not a choice that is harming themselves or anyone else, outside the SUPPOSED spiritual harm. But, without religious bias, there is NO argument against homosexuality.
BTW, the narrator was not the regular movie announcer, but Ben Patrick Johnson, who does movie trailers but is also a mega muscled gay hotti
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Female 72
VOICE OF GOD! The dude that voices all the cool movie trailers was the narrator.
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Male 907
"We`re still gay"
*scratched record sound*

AHAHAhahahahaha! That made my week :-D

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Female 111
plus a lot of the stuff in the bible is commen sense. maybe you should learn a little bit about the other side before you bash it. go see ben stein`s "expelled"
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Female 111
Okasen------well i don`t live in the south...but it just makes my blood boil when people lump all christians into one group and say that they all hate gays or w/e. its like saying all southern people drive trucks and go fishing every weekend. its a stereotype.
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Male 559
not all christians are opposed to homosexuality; I don`t think it`s a choice and neither do any of the christians I know, except for their parents. the video was really funny though.
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Male 125
I hate faggots. Gays, however, are great. As long as they`re not highlighted-hair "FABU-LUSSSS" gay, then they`re fine by me. Anyway...

Being Gay is not a choice. And rarely is someone born gay. Since gays can`t reproduce (Well, they CAN, but not with who they want), their genes stay put. Only straight people produce the next generation, and their straight genes pass onto their kids. However, somethimes there`s a recessive gay gene that becomes dominant. Following me so far? While some people are truly born gay, the majority probably are not. They probably have a neutral gene. Their sexuality is determined by their environment, and they develop their sexuality the same way that the rest of us develop a fetish (Most people are probably like this). If you don`t accept that, then ask yourself this: Why would someone choose to be gay?
Sexuality is a fetish. Straightness is a very common fetish, gayness is a less common fetish. Once you develop your sexuality, you can`t chang

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Male 944
wait yeah Bekll is right humans r animals...wtf?
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Male 14,331
^^ I still feel fine :)
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Male 2,113
"what about the feeling of shame and gilt?..." they should feel shame and gilt "being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, backbiters, haters of god, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, without understanding, covenant breakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful" - romans chapter 1 vs 29, 30 and 31 now if ALL of that is not a reason to feel shame and gilt what is?
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Male 4,246
I dunno if anybody mentioned this yet, but the narrator`s voice sounds very much like the Big Movie Voice Guy. Which is awesome.

*snicker* I still get a chuckle every time the blonde whispers, "...we`re still GAY!!" :-D

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Male 381
Yellowsquare said

"The Christian character was excessive. Not all Christians are against homosexuals, and wish to be treated fairly, without bias.

Once again, IAB`s true agenda shines through in all its Christian-hating glory."

Damm she`s on to us, bring out the lions

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Female 523
I think it`s very unfair how so many videos on IAB portrey christians as morons who know nothing about science and reject anything that has anything to do with science. If someone were to post a video that mocked jews, islamics or buddists it would be racist or innapropriate....but its ok to make fun of christians. I`m a christian and personally i`m not sure how i stand on the issue of homosexuality. But even if i was totally against it i still think that people should have every right to be gay if they want to. I`m not going to stop them. I just wish that people would stop and give christians the same right as they give every other group. The right to believe what they want and be respected for it.
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well alot of christians (at least here in the south) are that way in which they reject science. They use the bible to say what is right and wrong instead of common sense, as if they can`t think for themself.
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Male 1,766
find me one gay who chose to be gay
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Female 1,244
Just to let you all know that the laws in Leviticus were written for the Jewish people since Christians didn`t exist when those laws were written

But yeah I think being gay is not a choice..it`s something I don`t really agree with but the homosexual didn`t choose to be that way

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Male 25
its not a drating choice!
well some people decide that they want to...but most people (im pretty sure) are born with it...or something happens to them that makes them attracted more to the same sex, or dislike the opposite sex more...
im gay
i want to punch that black girls mom and dad in the face so hard.

:)

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Female 164
"Just so you know, humans can`t be hermaphrodites. The correct term is "intersexed"."

Wrong, Bekll. Humans can be hermaphrodites. The term `intersexed` is relatively new, and it`s not commonplace. Hermaphrodite is still perfectly acceptable to describe humans. Especially considering the origins of the term were to describe a human (Hermaphroditus, in greek mythology). Check your facts before trying to seem smart, please and thanks.

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Female 1,984
"Oh ya also where does the bible give rules on what a hermaphrodite should do?"
Just so you know, humans can`t be hermaphrodites. The correct term is "intersexed".
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Female 1,984
"Right now? I can choose to be gay, straight, or bi. Look at that, how freaking easy."
BigWAFuu, you can SAY you`re gay, straight or bi - but that won`t MAKE you any of them!

Sexual orientation is about ATTRACTION. You can`t choose who or what sex you`re attracted to any more than you can choose your likes and dislikes in food.

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Female 111
I think it`s very unfair how so many videos on IAB portrey christians as morons who know nothing about science and reject anything that has anything to do with science. If someone were to post a video that mocked jews, islamics or buddists it would be racist or innapropriate....but its ok to make fun of christians. I`m a christian and personally i`m not sure how i stand on the issue of homosexuality. But even if i was totally against it i still think that people should have every right to be gay if they want to. I`m not going to stop them. I just wish that people would stop and give christians the same right as they give every other group. The right to believe what they want and be respected for it.
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Female 1,984
"This theory has so many holes in it that it could be swiss cheese."
*sighs* Not all Swiss cheese has holes, and not all cheese with holes is Swiss.
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Female 1,984
That was very cute. And VERY TRUE.

Except for one thing... humans ARE animals.

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Male 686
jetmark:
People automatically assume that heterosexuality is the "default" setting because most people are hetero. They sometimes get confused as to how to act to a gay person, and treat them differently, even when they mean no harm and want to come across as gay - tolerant.Im not gay, but I`ve a gay friend and I treat him like any other person.
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Male 332
I don`t hate gays, but if some faggot ever tries touch me...
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Male 27
What is the problem with it being a choice anyway? To suggest there is one would just be to say that it is bad. And I think it is NOT genetic, but environmental. (Though not neccessarrily a choice)
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Female 1,572
This is from the film "For the bible tells me so.." and NO it`s not anti-Christian the film was made to show conservatives a different idea of how the scriptures are read. That homosexuals aren`t sinful and going to hell.. I loved it...I`m a Christian and it didn`t offend me one bit...It was good to see there are other people out there that share my belief.
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Male 4,680
11 pages...woah... And thanks for stretching the page fattpill -_-

I also don`t see what gays have actually done wrong. It seems people just use them as a scape-goat now.

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Male 944
@fattpill thanks for breaking the page... and @ Wey_Pooh...go to hell
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Female 164
The amount of argument over this video is astounding.

I encourage everybody to watch the entire documentary, "For the Bible Tells Me So." I saw it a month or so ago, and it`s very poignant.

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Male 1,083
lol awesome video, the only problem I see is with this issue opinions are already made and only a direct experience such as the family in the begining of the clip could change someones opinion.
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Male 112
sumtimes its a choice sumtimes it isnt one thing that got me is that the video basically said all christians hate gays true i dont think its natural but that doesnt mean i hate em i have plenty of gay friends so long as they dont go trying to get me in bed idc
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Male 14,331
Oh ya also where does the bible give rules on what a hermaphrodite should do?
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Male 14,331
@ Wey_Pooh
Your ignorance has made my head hurt if STD`s like HIV are a gay disease how comw so many people in areas of Africa have them including children born with them. Also how can you explain animals like gorillas being gay. I`m straight and I have no control of what turns me on men can`t do it for me so why would a person decide they want to deal with ignorant @sses like you and be gay it`s got to be more than just a choice it`s nature.
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Female 1,697
Matha has such big hips!

And I like open minded people, I don`t care if the person is gay, hetero, lesbian or bi, for as long as we get along.

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Male 1,024
My $0.02:

I`m not sure why, but there`s an assumption in this kind of discussion (can you call it that here? more like cacophony) that heterosexuality is the "default setting," and anything else on the sexual spectrum is somehow an aberration. It`s like saying all color is red, and anything blue or green belongs to the category "not red."

It`s a rainbow, dammit.

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Male 256
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Male 1,024
@ Wey_Pooh

you are hateful. that`s bad
you are ignorant. that`s far worse.

I`m not asking you to love the fact that gay people exist.
But I am telling you to stop spewing bile all over this board.

d!ck.

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Female 15
I grew up in a typical Christian family, with a dad and a mom and a little brother. He and my mother had a very loving 21 year relationship, never any huge fights, and they always went out on dates and stuff. Two years ago, I learned that my dad had been molested when he was younger, and that now, he says he is gay. I don`t hate him for it. I just beleive that Satan has warped his mind into beleiving he is this way, because he probably never dealed with his childhood trauma. But the only reason I think this is because he also, for reasons unknown, has not continued to be a father me and my brother. He suddenly just left. I don`t think being gay would make you want to never speak to you children again. Especially since we never said anything negative about it to him.
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Female 237
Geeze, some of you make it seem as if IAB MADE the video. Its just a nice video probably aimed towards religious people to in hopes that it`ll change their opinions about homosexuality, i.e the name "Christian". It seems everyone has to be offended by SOMETHING.
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Male 44
made by, some faggot. always predictable faggots.
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Female 2,074
Choice or not choice, people can be gay...so what? Get over it.
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Male 944
Hey man i LOVE the woman body. But if u wanna be Gay or lez thats cool. I have like 5 Gay friends and 3 Lez friends...no harm done
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Male 136
People are people, If someone choses to hate homosexuals that is his choice, and if a perfectly straight male feels that he ought to make coitus with men. Then by all means both parties should get to it. truth isn`t truth, whatever you decide as your own personal truth is just that, your own personal truth. No one is right or wrong.
I like gay people, though. they make me laugh and buy me things, like candy, I love candy!
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Male 136
I`m Christian, I`d do another boy if he was sexy enough.
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Male 61
i love how everyone gets so hyped up about homosexuality!
i say just let people live their own life`s! and just dont worry bout it.
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Male 442
providing it doesn`t cause any harm to anyone i say let them, its not something i would want to do but that doesn`t mean i would want to stop others
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Male 513

^I`m starting to understand Devi`s anger issues a bit more.

Do you need a hug?

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Female 1,496
My mom once said she would rather see me burned alive than gay. Keep in mind my mom is a woman who was sold into an arranged marriage at age 14 by her father and has been in the same abusive loveless relationship birthing children all the while for the last 42 years. *shrugs*
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Male 19
Please stop all the Gay hate that means you cefka Wey_Pooh and Tehrussian
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Female 13
I read this somewhere and I don`t remember where, so I can`t be 100% sure, but on the subject of genetics and reproduction: the sisters of gay men are more fertile than other women, which would keep the gay-gene, if there is one, in existence. This means it`s not a `disorder` because it stops reproduction (because it actually doesn`t).
Also, if (in the early days) in a group of people everyone had children, this would be a problem, because the parents would not be able to provide for everyone. By having people not have children (and the safest way for that is by men not having sex with women), there are extra helpers who do provide food, but don`t bring extra mouths to feed. If viewed that way, homosexuality is an ingenious way to ensure the survival of a group.

Anyway, whether you act on your feelings or not is a choice, I agree, but in my opinion there`s noting wrong with acting on them, so by all means, choose to marry the same gender!
This rant brought to you by a Dutch bis

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Male 962
I loved the Freud reference.
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Male 4,246
The way one is BORN isn`t a choice, and the way one BEHAVES is a choice. Okay, we get it. Take a pill, BigWaFuu.
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Male 1,162
Oh what bull poo. I wish that were true. The poo I could get away with. "It wasnt my choice to make that F in math class, Mrs. F! I was born that way! DURRR" "I was born an obese slob who couldnt stop eating. You can`t tell me that I have a choice to put down the food and go on a diet!"

You have a free will. It`s a choice. The idea that they say "You have no choice" is bull poo.

Right now? I can choose to be gay, straight, or bi. Look at that, how freaking easy.

There`s obviously mental conditioning to choosing sexual preference. For example, if your parents are douche bags enough to send you to an all-boy school. You just might turn GAY cause when you become a teen and you get horny, all you have surrounding you are other freaking boys.

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Male 147
Without reading the whole thing here....

The straight guy is named Muhammed (sp?)

How would you feel then?

BE HONEST!

Don`t lose your head over this one!!!

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Female 1,407
And all the world is bright and gay.
Why can`t we straight or gay people get along?
*ahem* Maybe Chuck Norris can help. ~_~!
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Female 1,398
Myself, I`m not sure if it`s a choice or if you`re born with it. I`m still trying to decide...
And for the people ranting about how `gay people go to hell`, they don`t go to hell because they`re gay, but because they`re not Christian (most of them). Yeah, just wanted to say that, because a lot of people seem to think being gay is a one-way ticket to hell or something.
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Male 1,265
All I know is that you have a choice where to stick your penis.
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Male 490
Okasen, I don`t know why you quoted my post but then talk about absolutely irrelevant crap. Did you see even an ounce of judgement on my part?

There`s simply a difference between being attracted to the same sex and acting on it, which to me draws the line between sexual orientation and homosexuality. Kind of the same way you may be genetically predisposed to be skinny but choose to bulk up to an enormous size. Do you see saying that it`s wrong to be skinny, or saying that everyone must be a huge hunk?

It`s simply a choice to have sex with same sex people. Same as not having sex at all is a choice or having heterosexual sex. Sexual orientation is just a part of the factors that contribute to the decision to engage in any of those activities.

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Female 112
To all the christians out there who are putting down gay people... (and i read this somewhere so don`t hold me accountable--but i believe its true.)
If God created everything in his image, then how is there anything wrong with being gay? God might just be a little gay Himself. Oh, and btw, God is quite genderless.
And if i see anymore people quoting the Old Testament, then they should also look at the treatment of women there too!
I`m a woman and I would hate to have to be seperated from the rest of society while on my period, a natural God-made process, becuase for some reason men thought it was unclean.
And to all those complaining about it being a religious debate now. Is anything ever not a religious debate? When, as humans, do we not debate the moral and ethical standpoints on an issue?
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Female 523
Homosexuality is not a choice. I`m a straight male, and not one time in my life did i ever wake up in the morning and think to myself "hmmm, think I`ll go out and suck a dick today"

LOL @ proving nothing. Just because you didn`t think of it to yourself, does not mean you can`t choose to do it.

homosexuality: of, relating to, or involving sexual intercourse between persons of the same sex

sexual orientation: The direction of one`s sexual interest toward members of the same, opposite, or both sexes, especially a direction seen to be dictated by physiologic rather than sociologic forces.
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i don`t see why it matters if it`s a choice or not. if people are gay and that`s who they are and they`re happy, then let them go out and be gay and be married and adopt a kid and raise a family like everybody else, because America is based on the freedom to pursue happiness and if being gay makes somebody happy then go ahead.

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Female 523
ugh. this reminds me ofa conversation with my friend today.. we were talking about gay people, and she thinks its wrong for people to be gay. she said it`s
"wrong" I mean WTF you do worse things you don`t even believe in evolution even though it`s proven. She springs that "it`s a theory" thing on me even though "theory" is a scientific word that pretty much means proven.

Gravity is a theory.

I don`t see why Gay people can`t do what they want and be gay. I know tons of gay people and they aren`t hurting anyone by being gay.

I mean, if you`re going to listen to christianity if people cna be gay, what will stop them from keeping people from being atheist?

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Female 151
its really not a choice.
with the problems they have to face in this world, i think they`d choose to be straight if they did have a choice. being constantly discriminated and outlawed isn`t something we all exactly want in our lives, who`s to say they really want to live like that?
just let them be. they`re still human beings.
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Male 490
dsteenbock
Male, 30-39, Midwest US
30 Posts Tuesday, April 15, 2008 9:00:18 PM
Homosexuality is not a choice. I`m a straight male, and not one time in my life did i ever wake up in the morning and think to myself "hmmm, think I`ll go out and suck a dick today"

LOL @ proving nothing. Just because you didn`t think of it to yourself, does not mean you can`t choose to do it.

homosexuality: of, relating to, or involving sexual intercourse between persons of the same sex

sexual orientation: The direction of one`s sexual interest toward members of the same, opposite, or both sexes, especially a direction seen to be dictated by physiologic rather than sociologic forces.

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Female 183
You know what else is good? Beer. What`s your favorite beer, everyone? I like Bud Light. And Heineken.
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Male 516
Yeah, totally TeHrussian. 10 whole pages o_o I suppose people love controversy and arguing about things like this. Then again, this is a site for bored people so I can`t expect anything else =P
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Male 490
Hah 10 pages and this was posted only a short while ago. Homosexuality is a choice, sexual orientation is not.

Oh, and no matter how much you try to explain it, guy on guy action is gross. Hot lesbians (non-butch) I can deal with.

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Male 60
Homosexuality is not a choice. I`m a straight male, and not one time in my life did i ever wake up in the morning and think to myself "hmmm, think I`ll go out and suck a dick today"
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Male 648
"Regarding the bible... Im Agnostic, but I believe it teaches that above everything, love is most important, whether for who you choose to love, or when being accepting of others choices that may not be the same as yours."

Amen. Well said.

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Female 960
This argument is gay.

:]

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Male 2,216
I`m gay. Didn`t choose it, and believe me, tried to `be straight` a lot, but why live in denial just because of what other people think?

Cefca and Wey_Pooh seem to be seriously over compensating with their arguements, perhaps they`re in denial themselves?

Regarding the bible... Im Agnostic, but I believe it teaches that above everything, love is most important, whether for who you choose to love, or when being accepting of others choices that may not be the same as yours.

Coffee? Not keen at all, I prefer tea (English breakfast style for you Americans!) hehe.

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Male 205
"i have to say it is a choice just like all sin is"i was born this way" so was i"

guess what! theres no such thing as sin! what you believe leads me to conclude you are an non-nice individual and a moron, goodday

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Male 14
Wow finally someone said what I wanted to hear thank you Liz
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Female 226
Woof.
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Male 2,160
research and understanding are never a bad thing,it might just reduce the great ammount of fear and hatred about this topic if people knew about whats really behind it.
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Male 648
Someone might ostracize me for this, but oh well...

I am straight, and I consider myself a Christian (on deeper inspection, you`d probably call me an agnostic, but I still belive most of the basic beliefs of Christianity) and I am homophobic. They creep me out. There`s no reason for it either, its a phobia, an irrational fear. I can not say I definitely know what brought this phobia about (whether that is a product of being raised Christian and/or something else).
I do not agree with homosexuality, and I do think it is a choice, though you could probably convinve me otherwise. However, I try to not let my beliefs or my phobia keep me from seeing gay people as human beings. I still converse with gay people, and even have a gay friend or two. I do not think that being gay or straight should affect how someone thinks of you or treats you. I would say its your God-given right to choose what you do with your life, and no person should judge you of it.

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Male 619
thats because gays don`t feel they need to do reasearch on there sexual orientation, honestly, who does? Other than people on this topic of course.
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Female 174
nice vid.
Love is love. Can`t change it.
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Male 71
i have to say it is a choice just like all sin is"i was born this way" so was i, i have a sin nature just as all do aside from that"we want the same right the same rights for marriage" you do have the same rights you can marry women just like all of us can (by the by these arent quotes from the vid but rather quotes from gay people ive heard)
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Female 1,545
Eh well. I think I`ve posted enough for one night. And I`ve effectively solved nothing. Haha.

Off to bed with me.

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Male 619
For the Debate: I think religion is pre-set morals, Y`know? It`s like re-enfourcment to laws, which is fine! But when It starts to deny rights, thats where i draw the line.

For Coffee!: Honestly, my parents only have hezlenut coffee and i got sick of it so now i have to buy starbucks in order to forfill my desire for caffine.

For catbarf: Wait, are you guy or girl? I`m confused.

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Male 2,160
its similar all over the world sadly,germany is extremely bad with it,basically raising hatred against anything not "normal" and oppressing and name calling everything not "democratic",its sickening.
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Male 741
sertrbl

My family is homophobic, and so are my friends. I am not.

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Female 1,545
A little off topic, but politicians know the value of hatred so well, that they have us all fooled. (In America at least).

I personally know people who have fallen for their great deception and actually voted for candidate solely based on their pro-life and anti-gay stance.

Those issues, pro-life, anti-gay, etc. are big shiny red herrings that blind a vast population of American voters.

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Male 2,160
and i agree,if its genetic and proven so its far more likely to gain more acceptance as part of humanity,though hatred will still exist,as it does for blacks(just a example)
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Female 1,545
^^Agreed. There are always people who refuse to accept.
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Male 2,160
there always is,its usually some politician who knows the value of hatred towards something as a method of gaining support and power,either that or someone who lacks information on the topic and only sees certain sides of it or has been misinformed.
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Male 648
hmmm, reflecting on it, I`d like to recall my previous statement. I can see how knowledge of origin could help bring acceptance and lower the amount of opposition...but I`ll stand true to the fact that there will always be someone to oppose.
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Female 1,545
I think I misspoke. What I meant by painting homosexuality as "natural" I meant more in the sense of beyond human intervention.

Red hair is natural. It`s encoded in your genes, and you cannot stop the fact that you will be a redhead.

Same with homosexuality. If researchers can find a genetic link or biological link, it can be percieved as `natural`. It`s encoded in your genes and you cannot stop the fact that you will be homosexual.

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Male 205
also, christians wondering why people hate christianity... its because of poo like this *points at comments above*
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Female 1,545
While homosexuality isn`t new, open homosexuality is new, and it`s new to the public eye. I think that it`s going to be awhile until researchers uncover the underlying cause. After all, they`ve only had (being generous, here) 50 years to work on it.
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Male 2,160
religion is always a matter of choice,its a opinion which one can choose to follow or reject,and your correct,someone always will try and seed or feel hatred for it to complete some sort of personal objective
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Male 648
pardon me for making a cliche reference, but being Jewish is completely natural (I`d hope no one disagrees with that) and it didn`t/doesn`t stop them from being discriminated against.
Hate and bigotry are not based on rational ideas, explanation or not, someone is going to hate gays.
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Male 2,160
if its understood its less likely to be feared,which is the cause of most bias and hatred anyways,people dont understand it,so theyre either afraid of it or curious of it,its human nature.
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Male 205
wow, just read back a few of the comments

there`s a whole lot of properly sick homophobes here

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Female 1,545
Painting homosexuality as "natural" helps other people understand it and accept it more, thus reducing hate and bigotry.

Therefore, understanding the true underlying cause is crucial to the advancement of the homosexual population, because it shows homosexuality in a better light.

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Male 2,160
have to agree,most studies are biased towards one opinion or the other suiting whichever faction or group conducted the study and who commands them or finances them and most are performed in a way that the results will support that side.
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Male 26
lol at the cartoon, i knew this would be a hot topic
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Male 513

Alright, I`m just going to say this and then leave. You all can take what you want from it, or not.

If homosexuality was a choice, I`d be straight.
As simple as that. When I was younger I was afraid I was going to lose all my friends, have my parents abandon me, and possibly be murdered if I was caught around the wrong person. For the life of my I can`t understand why someone would think anyone would want to choose that for themselves.

I`m happy with who I am, but trust me, if I had a choice to be straight right now I`d take it. My life hasn`t exactly been easy.

But I gave up a long time ago trying to prove myself to people who never seem to want to listen.
You can waste your breath telling me that what I`m doing is wrong, and I`ll save my breath to enjoy life.

(Sorry I wasn`t my normal joking self there, but I felt I had to be serious for a moment.)

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Female 1,545
And in my semi-research, I have found that most studies are inconclusive or biased in some way, so I think that research psychologists and the rest of the world alike are more than a little mystified as to what the cause of homosexuality is.
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Male 648
I know I`m dodging the question here, but it doesn`t matter what the cause is. If its a choice, then the will be discriminated for making the choice...if its not a choice, then they will be discriminated against for being born that way.
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Female 1,545
I personally think, as I`ve stated before, that it`s a combination of (largely) environmental factors, and genetics.
Though these are my opinions and only semi-researched. I`m not a psychologist, nor have I done studies on homosexuality.
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Male 2,160
theres good arguements for both,it could well be a genetic "defect(was forced to use for lack of other words though it isnt my opinion)" but also it could have alot to do with society,media and upbringing and environment.Personally i believe that both are possible and exist.
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Male 205
if you think its a choice...

could you choose to be gay?
if no: see it isnt a choice
if yes: congratulations, you`re bi!

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Female 1,545
Sorry for wasting board space, Viking Guy...
I don`t think there`s anyone currently here who is anti-gay, and therefore there is no debate currently.
But here we go.
Gays:
Born with it or environmental factors?
Go.
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Male 648
honestly, I don`t think I know enough of the subject to debate this properly, and would rather not subject myself to such antics of this there.
I was looking to see if anyone could enlighten me on such matters, but obviously they cannot. ...meh, never had very high expecations anyway.
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Male 63
I`m just sick of everything turning into one of those religious debates.

Plus, I really love coffee.

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Male 2,160
that being said,the bible and religion in general are the grandest tools of political control and means of securing income and assets ever invented and i admire the ones who concepted it and pity those who accept their own actions in life and need to claim a god guides them.
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Male 2,160
stop attempting to change the topic to maintain "peace and stability",have some balls,stand proud for your side and defend your truth and your own honor,i´m looking to match mine against it and not have a bunch of perfect world fools deter others from dealing with serious matters and avoid responsibility in favor of comfort,topics of faith,politics and ethics are harsh but should be dealt with rather than avoided.
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Female 1,545
Probably near the top of my Favorite Movies list.
That quote just popped into my head and I thought it was quite fitting and appropriate for this comment board.
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Female 1,545
Very deep and pensive smigbaafm. I like you.
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Male 184
yellowsquare:: I love you.
Mean Girls is an epic movie.
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Female 1,545
"And on the seventh day, God created the Remington bolt action rifle. So that Man could fight the dinuhsawrs. And the ho-mo-sex-uals."

Hahahahaha!!!

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Male 648
why? He who argues with fools is only a greater fool himself.
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Male 63
lol @ everything Nightshifter said.

Yeah, the only real coffee places around are Tim`s and the one Starbucks, unless you get those gas station coffees or brew your own. Too much big name competition for something else to show up.

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Male 7,933
"All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness." Timothy 3:16
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Female 1,545
smigbaafm, you could have jumped in at any time and shown everyone how to debate like pros.
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Male 1,455
"christians dont follow leviticus anymore. Why do you think they eat pork and aren`t circumcised"

So they aren`t following their own religion. Whoop-de-doo. Notice how I never insult Christians, only Christianity.

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Female 1,545
Hahaha yes. Typo on my part.
Actually, recliner was particularly tasty, though I`ll never admit it.
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Male 513

Yeah, those new-fangled homosexuals are sinful creatures.

Next thing we know, they`re going to want to vote.

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Male 648
I have seen no intelligent argument made here. No one seems capable of avoiding their opponent names. Trying to discredit the other guy by name calling only shows that you don`t know your own side of the story well enough to win the audience by yourself.
I suppose you can`t expect much more from the internet.
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Male 7,933
christians dont follow leviticus anymore. Why do you think they eat pork and aren`t circumcised
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Female 1,545
Oh dear.
Caribou Coffee is a chain like Starbucks. Perhaps a smidget cheaper. Apparently equal quality with Starbucks. They`re all over Minnesota.
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Male 1,455
"I know you`re a guy catbarf. I was just kidding."

There was a subtle humor in my post, if you look again.

"Ew, I tried chair once and I almost vomited."

I`ve never tried chair. I hear that Victorian ones are particularly foul.

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Female 447
May we love forever.
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Female 385
Chai tastes AWESOME. But yeah, it sucks when watered down. That`s why I always make mine with milk, which gives it a much richer taste.
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Male 63
I`ve never even heard of Caribou Coffee ._.
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Male 1,455
"That stuff tastes so watered down."

Only the powdered mixes do. The real thing is great.

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Female 447
I know you`re a guy catbarf. I was just kidding.
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Female 1,545
Ew, I tried chair once and I almost vomited. I really can`t understand chai-lovers.
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Male 1,455
"and catbarf (in a totally non-gay way)"

Platonic love. Gotta love it.

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Female 1,566
Ew, chai.
That stuff tastes so watered down.
Oh well. Seeing as how this is dying down, I`m going to go eat dinner. :]
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Female 447
I love homosexuals, coffee and catbarf (in a totally non-gay way). That`s all I need to say on this issue now.

<3

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Male 1,455
Only if it`s real chai, not that processed powder crap.
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Female 1,545
Have you tried Caribou Coffee, Prinn?
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Female 385
"Coffee>Religious debates.

FACT."

Very true. But I was never much for coffee. Can I have chai instead?

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Male 1,455
"Haha, catbarf I love you.

Noticed he didn`t type anything else that you were 14 because he felt ashamed to be talked down so intelegently by a 14 year old."

Thanks. *cough* Fifteen *cough*.

"nope i am straight wich is the only correct way to go"

Generally, it is very difficult to convince people when your posts give the appearance of the proverbial thousand monkeys on typewriters. Unless, of course, you`re feeling particularly masochistic.

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Female 1,545
lol @ The_Frogg
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Male 63
Coffee>Religious debates.

FACT.

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Female 1,566
"man you would think gay people would die out because they can never pass on thier genes"

You could also infer from this that because they can`t pass on genes, but the orientation is not dying out, there is no gay gene.

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Female 1,545
Never heard of such a place. If and when I drive the Big Drive to Canada, I`m definitely checking out a Tim Horton`s.
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Male 619
Holy poo. in the time it took my to write that post 3 pages were written O_O
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Female 1,545
Lol your logic astounds me, cefka.

"gay people are Gay".

Hahaha you get a GOLD STAR for that one.

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Female 447
There is increased population because people don`t die as much cause of bloody hospitals. Everyone used to have 10 kids but 8 of them would die before they turned 20.

And if the bible says someone should be killed it is referring to an unrepresentative person going to hell. The bible says many times that man shouldn`t judge, only God so we have no right to put someone to death.

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Male 1,455
"man you would think gay people would die out because they can never pass on thier genes"

Very true. However, it`s entirely possible that there are less gays now than there ever were, since in older times gays were forced into being straight and raising families, passing on those genes.

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Male 63
It`s a coffee place, with baked goods. It`s a franchise (or something) that`s really popular in Canada. Not sure how many there are in the US.

Either way, you can`t drive five minutes in my city without seeing one.

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Male 2,160
cefka,do us a favor,and fall to the laws of darwinism,it doesnt matter what people are in sexual preference,and they certainly dont deserve to die or any other things,it would be about as if i´d have you put to death for being a idiot,choice or not,it still remains wrong.
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Male 619
Haha, catbarf I love you.

Noticed he didn`t type anything else that you were 14 because he felt ashamed to be talked down so intelegently by a 14 year old.

Now I have a very stong feeling on this subject because I Live in texas, where almost EVERYBODY abso-drating-lutly hates gays. and I don`t. Now i just get into debates if you hate gays, but when you want to take away there freedom because a very old book filled with flaws and hatred says so? No, I get pissed. I would love to show this video to one of my classmates.

Now I am an aithest, which may block my views of teh christians view, but in all honesty. I Wasn`t always aithest. Even then I had the same thoughts as I do now. It just really upsets me to see someone blame, hate, and ruthlessly be against for something they can`t controle most of the time. In my opinion, it`s the downfall of mankind as we know it :(

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Female 1,545
or both?
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Female 1,545
cefka are you gay or straight?
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Female 1,566
"leesah are you gay or straight"

Does it make a difference?
What I`m saying is fact not based on my personal orientation.
I`m straight.

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Female 1,545
Tim Horton`s??????
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Female 1,566
"No. Our population grows like crazy because people keep having so many kids."

The average number of children per family has dropped over the last hundred years, actually.

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Male 63
Righteous. Plus, it`s a twenty minute trip to the closest Starbucks, and I`ve got four Tim Hortons`s in walking distance, and a large supply of coffee in my cupboard.
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Male 1,455
"Shut up wey pooh if you are so concerned about our population then you should be supporting the war in Iraq"

That`s the way to do it! Physically attack everyone who disagrees with you! Force them to conform!

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Female 385
"Know this first of all, that there is no prophecy of scripture that is a matter of personal interpretation, for no prophecy ever came through human will; but rather human beings moved by the holy Spirit spoke under the influence of God." 2 Peter 20-21

Yeah. Seems pretty clear to me. The old laws are still every bit in effect, and no line of scripture is up to interpretation. Jesus himself says so.

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Female 385
"Leviticus isn`t followed anymore. When Jesus came many of the old laws were dismissed. And even if it wasn`t you cant take a literal interpretation of the bible."

Hmn, let`s see...

“For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.” Matthew 5:18-19

"Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place." Matthew 5:17

(continued next post)

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Male 648
so its better to verballay assault people into submission, is it catbarf?
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Male 1,455
"People don`t know how to control themselves, acting like animals."

Or they`re Catholic.

It`s a vagina, not a clown car.

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Male 1,003
lol cefka, i leave them to you, i really am very tired.
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Female 447
COFFEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I like it sweet and milky.

My gay friend likes coffee too. He likes it straight. Ha ha. Neither of those did he choose to be/like.

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Female 1,545
Actually, Starbucks is overpriced and incredibly commercialized.

You`re not missing out, don`t worry. Save yourself some money and make your own coffee.

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Female 1,566
Cefka: You`re not winning any `most controversial post` titles here.
Make a point, back it up with facts, then we`ll talk.
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Male 1,455
"one time a knew a gay person so i beat him up and now he is straight"

That`s the way to do it! Physically attack everyone who disagrees with you! Force them to conform!

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Female 1,545
good for you cefka. Would you like a sticker?
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Male 1,003
No. Our population grows like crazy because people keep having so many kids. You should have 1 or 2 kids, maybe 3. People don`t know how to control themselves, acting like animals. I think that if every child was raised right, there`d be no gays. At least no gays-by-choice. I do believe some are born with defects (gay).
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Male 63
I thought you were tired, Poo.

Y`know, I`ve never been to a Starbucks my whole life. My friend says I`m missing out, but am I really?

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Male 1,455
"Anyway, I was born with that game, it`s in my genes, please forgive me."

Sorry, that won`t work. Sexual preference != instilled political beliefs.

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Female 1,545
But nothing is creamy, smoky, roasted sweet like sugary, creamy coffee, Prinn.

Actually, I do hope to advance to Level Black Coffee, but I`m stuck on the Level Cream and Sugar. It`s hard to get past creamy goodness.

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Female 1,566
"I drink coffee for the wonderful coffee taste,"

I drink coffee because I have to wake up at five-thirty and drive thirty minutes in rush hour to school. The sugar is just an added benefit.

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Male 1,455
"And homosexual people can`t get married so therefore they shouldn`t be having sex."

It`s not just what it states, it is the vehemence- that any man who lies with a man must be killed.

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Male 1,003
i didn`t type game. I typed H*A*T*E. wth?
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Female 1,566
"There is one reason above all why homosexuality is wrong, and you cannot argue with that.
If everyone in the world was gay, how would we reproduce?"

If there weren`t as many gays/lesbians as there were now, how much larger would our population be, and would we still be able to support it, or would our J-curve finally hit the point of crashing?

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Male 1,003
heheh, actually you`re all wrong about me. I have nothing against blacks, or communists. Heck, I might be one. Anyway, I was born with that game, it`s in my genes, please forgive me. please...
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Male 1,455
"It also states in the Bible the earth is round. The flat earth was talking more about a flat continent which at the beginning of earth existed."

It also states that a man`s donkey talked and that two of every animal in the world lived within walking distance of Noah`s house, and could fit on a single boat.

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Male 63
Why ruin it with sugar? It makes it all sweet-like. I drink coffee for the wonderful coffee taste, if I wanted sugary stuff I`d drink Coke or juice.
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Female 447
"Lie with a man = sex with a man"

Did you even read my comment? That was exactly what I was saying. I have absolutely nothing wrong with someone being gay. Nor does the church. The church accepts anyone who is gay. Heck, there is a gay arch bishop in Australia. My point was that the bible says many many times not to commit adultery. You should not have sex with someone who isn`t your wife or husband. And homosexual people can`t get married so therefore they shouldn`t be having sex. It`s quite understandable for the bible to say that then.

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Male 1,455
"If everyone in the world was gay, how would we reproduce?"

If everyone in the world was male, how would we reproduce?

OH NOEZ! BEING MALE IS WRONG!

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Male 7,933
It also states in the Bible the earth is round. The flat earth was talking more about a flat continent which at the beginning of earth existed.
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Male 2,160
and thats exactly why i say your a fecking imbecile wey pooh,for wishing death on a group of people,i take it you also are a strong supporter of anti semitcism and believe communists should be killed for their choices,or do you think blacks should be burned?choice or not,wishing death on millions of people for no other reason than blind hatred is wrong.
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Female 1,566
I like coffee. ^^
One vanilla creamer, three sugars.
Yummm.
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Male 1,003
There is one reason above all why homosexuality is wrong, and you cannot argue with that.
If everyone in the world was gay, how would we reproduce?
Sex is something that should be done between a man and a woman, it`s the way it was supposed to be. I don`t know why people lack the common sense to agree with that... I just don`t know.
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Male 1,455
"Anyone here love coffee? Black is the best."

I personally prefer Earl Grey tea. Without sugar, of course.

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Male 648
then you admit that you can`t blame an entire group of people with similar beliefs for something that not all of them adhere to.
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Female 1,545
^^Disagreed, Prinn. Lots of cream and lots of sugar for me. I like my calories :)
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Male 63
Hey, you know what`s a great way to switch a topic? Coffee.

Anyone here love coffee? Black is the best.

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Male 1,455
"my point is you can`t generalize and entire faith to the same stereotype"

The *faith* itself is the stereotype. Those who follow it may do so to a lesser or greater degree.

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Male 184
haha roosterroaches.
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Female 1,545
Actually, Wey_Pooh, if you`d google `primate homosexuality` you get a lot of interesting links.

If you care to broaden your horizons a little, that is.

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Male 1,455
"When Jesus came many of the old laws were dismissed. "

Paraphrasing: `I come not to replace the teachings of your fathers and prophets, but to complete.`

"And even if it wasn`t you cant take a literal interpretation of the bible."

That`s a logical fallacy, seeing as I can start to label anything and everything as metaphor where wanted. Genetics makes Adam and Eve impossible? Metaphor. World being flat? Metaphor. God? Ooh, metaphor!

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Male 648
my point is you can`t generalize and entire faith to the same stereotype, especially when no one is ever going to have the exact same beliefs and morals, even within a religion
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Female 1,566
Just realized the filter blocked my #10.
I think you can figure it out.
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Male 7,933
mysterypro, I get criticized so much for making that statement (homosexuality as a disorder). Thats why I think they should research how to treat it if people wanted to make the change.
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Female 1,566
"If you mean reecting the individual verse, then my point still stands in that the Bible is violently against homosexuality."

I wasn`t trying to disprove you.
I was just pointing out, with the change of the times, the verse itself has been rejected.

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Male 1,003
VikingGuy, I`m not a scientist. I`m not sure where these people got the idea that I was. They just got mad because I wished death on them. It started as a simple wish.
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Male 1,455
"even if the Bible is against homosexualtiy, it doesnt mean that all Chrisitans are...belive it or not, alot of Christians dont follow the Bible to the word (some dont even read it)."

Point? Just because one chooses not to follow their religion closely does not excuse the religion itself.

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Female 1,566
Gladly. I have at least ten memorized from when I wrote a term paper on the subject. :]

1. Amazon Molly (fish)
2. Grayling (fish)
3. Salmon
4. Appalachian Woodland Salamander
5. Bearded Dragon
6. Desert Tortoise
7. Common Garter Snake
8. Black Spotted Frog
9. Dragonflies
10. roosterroaches

Satisfied?

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Male 7,933
Leviticus isn`t followed anymore. When Jesus came many of the old laws were dismissed. And even if it wasn`t you cant take a literal interpretation of the bible. What is the message of Leviticus 20? Homosexuality is wrong. Thats it.
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Male 648
even if the Bible is against homosexualtiy, it doesnt mean that all Chrisitans are...belive it or not, alot of Christians dont follow the Bible to the word (some dont even read it).
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Male 1,455
"Shut up, barf. I just realized you`re a 14 year old girl."

Oh, your witty riposte has left me speechless! Truly, you have won this most engaging game of verbal fencing!

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Male 86
Homosexuality is a developmental/genetic disability. What could possibly be worse for an organism then a disablity that causes that organism to not reproduce? Having said that, there have been studies it`s not really exactly a choice. Certain areas near the hypothalamus have been shown to be enlarged in many homosexuals. There has also been signifigant mounting evidence that there is a genetic component to the disorder.

So it is both a biological & nuture disorder. Although it is avoided in the scientific world as viewed as a "disorder" it technically is, as it reduces greatly the chanch of producing offspring.

So is being homosexual "wrong"? No. Because morals are a mix of both atheistic universal principles and religious principles, those who value religous principles more strongly generally view homosexuality as "immoral". As far as nature is concerned, there is only life and death.

Source: 4th year med student

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Male 1,003
Shut up, barf. I just realized you`re a 14 year old girl.
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Male 1,455
"Oh, yeah Leesah, name 10."

Pick any mammal in the world. It`s been documented in hundreds of species.

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Male 2,160
wey pooh,i´m 100% straight and still think your full of poo,so please,do as i said earlier and just say "NO!" the second you feel the urge to type and please refrain from thinking also,your rather bad at it and seem to lack the equipment required.
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Male 184
I wasn`t always gay...
but it just happened.
It certainly wasn`t a choice, but I wasn`t like that always. Considering I haven`t done much research, this mean close to nothing but I believe that people are born with their brains "knowing" whether they`re going to be/become gay or not. People arne`t always BORN gay, but they certainlly don`t choose if or when they become gay. If that makes any sense at all.
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Male 1,455
"ok catbarf. got the message now. that is talking about sexual relationships, not actually being homosexual."

Lie with a man = sex with a man

"Vintagepizza: The verse I believe was being referenced is Leviticus 20:13. Which is now, actually, rejected by most Jewish and Christian followers."

You cannot simply dismiss the Old Testament, as it exists to provide context for the New. If you mean reecting the individual verse, then my point still stands in that the Bible is violently against homosexuality.

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Male 1,003
Oh, yeah Leesah, name 10. None of them must descend from primates, or dogs. They`re known to hump anything, not because they actually feel a connection or want to have kids, they`re just in heat.
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Male 1,455
"I don`t research gay sh*t, so I wouldn`t know."

In other words: "I`m an idiot who likes to talk without the faintest clue about the subject at hand."

"But most gays I`ve talked to say they weren`t always like that."

Because idiots like you force them to act straight, causing psychological trauma that never leaves.

"Anyway, I`m tired, I didn`t know there were so many gays on IAB..."

When you say `gays` you really mean `people with an IQ over fifty.`

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Female 1,566
Vintagepizza: The verse I believe was being referenced is Leviticus 20:13. Which is now, actually, rejected by most Jewish and Christian followers.
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Female 447
ok catbarf. got the message now. that is talking about sexual relationships, not actually being homosexual.
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Female 1,545
Ooh, Wey_Pooh, you`d better stay away. You could catch an STD from all the gays on IAB!!!
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Female 1,566
Wey_Pooh: I can name 400+ animal species in which homosexual behavior is found naturally.
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Female 447
"You`re the rare exception. The proportional majority of such people are Christian rather than atheist, since Christianity is anti-gay to the point where the Bible requires execution of any homosexual."

Catbarf, whoever or whatever made you believe that is very wrong. Please tell me where in the Bible it says that. The church is not anti-gay. How many Christians do you know?

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Male 648
with due respect catbarf, you make the same logical fallacies
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Male 1,003
Hey, primtimeking may be right. I don`t research gay sh*t, so I wouldn`t know. But most gays I`ve talked to say they weren`t always like that. It`s a choice, like being emo or goth. That`s all it is. Anyway, I`m tired, I didn`t know there were so many gays on IAB...
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Male 1,455
Oh, yes, Wey_Pooh, Africa must be made up of homosexuals, since *obviously* that`s the only reason they have an AIDS epidemic.
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Male 63
Wait, did you like... stop to ask everyone if they were gay? Or did you just pull that statistic out of thin air?
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Male 1,455
"Come now, catbarf, you can at least pretend to ignore any religious comment."

I abhor posts that are entirely wrong. Religion just happens to be one of my fortes in regards to knowledge.

"hmmm...you should have just as much right to express dislike of gays as you do to express acceptance of gays."

Sure. And I have just as much right to express why the anti-gay`s view is utter crap.

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Male 1,003
Oh, yeah, the Bible is also crap. And no, not all gays catch std`s, and it`s not just them. That`s what I used to think when I went to this AIDS Walk. And you want to know what? 90 percent of those people were gay. I wonder why...
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Male 7,933
1. Christians are anti-gay but the whole execution of homosexuals is
a. meant to show that it is detestable
b. In levictus so it is no longer followed.

I have a friend whom both of his parents are doctors and he says according to a study (cant remember which) the percentage of people who are genetically gay is actually very small. Peoples action are made up of genetics/environment/choice. For example, genetics may tell me im right handed but i can train myself to be left handed (I know several people that have made the switch).

Also, I question the scientific data as far as younger brothers having an increased chance of being gay. In my family normally its the younger of the brothers that ends up being the most heterosexual.

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Male 648
hmmm...you should have just as much right to express dislike of gays as you do to express acceptance of gays.

I wonder...what would a castrated person have to say on the issue?

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Male 63
Come now, catbarf, you can at least pretend to ignore any religious comment.
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Male 1,455
"I`m sorry, but the last time I checked, there`s no such thing as gay animals, unless they were curious. Animals will f*ck anything with a hole. This clip is crap."

Why don`t you actually do some research before you call science a sham and make yourself look stupid?

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Male 14
There is some of that gay animal stuff on I am bored. xD
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Male 1,003
I`m sorry, but the last time I checked, there`s no such thing as gay animals, unless they were curious. Animals will f*ck anything with a hole. This clip is crap.
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Male 2,160
Wey_Pooh,anytime you want to say something just say no,okay?just "NO!"
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Male 1,455
Are you really of the belief that only gays catch STDs? I swear, my IQ must be dropping just by reading this.
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Male 1,455
Vintagepizza, the Bible says that gays must be put to death:

`If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood [shall be] upon them.`

Leviticus 20:13

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Male 1,003
Yeah, okay. I`m a little boy flailing on a keyboard. I was just expressing my opinion, you didn`t have to reply, did you?
If you really think being gay is normal, go catch some std`s already.
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Male 184
"I could argue that on the inside, I`m a horse. That just wouldn`t make sense."

Gays aren`t trying to be horses, or anything equivalent to a horse. They`re trying to be themselves, and they just so happen to be gay.

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Female 447
I thought it was funny that his name was Christian because the gay guy in Clueless is called Christian...

Religious debates. Shoot me. I`m so over them. My spiritual side is with Christianity. And I know people who are gay and Christian. Just because the church is against gay marriage doesn`t mean they are against gay people! The bible says that marriage is for men and women so that they can have children and start their own family. The bible also says that sex with someone who you aren`t married to is wrong. So I believe that homosexuals shouldn`t be in sexual relationships with each other in just the same way that I don`t believe people should be in a sexual relationship until they have made a lifelong commitment to each other.

I know most people will disagree but it`s another point of view you can think about. Whatever. Just love everyone and stop hating on people because of their sexual orientation.

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Male 1,455
"I could argue that on the inside, I`m a horse. That just wouldn`t make sense."

Did you even watch the clip? They gave plenty of evidence for genetics being the cause of sexual orientation. You can give no evidence for you being a horse.

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Male 1,455
"People should be happy with who they are and what they were given, instead of trying to be something else."

You do realize that this is, in fact, the primary argument for people like you to shut the hell up and let gays be who they are?

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Female 1,545
Wow Wey_Pooh. What is a real family?
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Male 1,003
Nah, I just hate gays with a passion. They piss me off. People should be happy with who they are and what they were given, instead of trying to be something else. I could argue that on the inside, I`m a horse. That just wouldn`t make sense.
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Male 184
I am trying really hard to not make and rude comments. Please Wey_Pooh, stop talking now and save yourself.
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Male 1,455
"Hahah! You admit it. Gays are retarded kids. Do you allow one retarded person to marry another? No. Retarded people cannot raise a family, not a real family anyway."

1. I never said gays are retarded any more than I said that one race is retarded. It`s simply a genetic change from the normality. Your idea that nature couldn`t possibly screw up is just idiotic.

2. You really think that people who aren`t Aryan-perfect shouldn`t be allowed to have a family?

"when they know they`ll burn to ashes when they step into a church."

I think your credibility just evaporated. I`m a fervent atheist, and rest assured I have entered many churches in my life. I also have an openly homosexual relative who has been in church as well. No pyrotechnics as of yet.

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Male 63
Come on now, first you say I couldn`t score with a guy unless he was drunk, now you`re calling me retarded... Why, I`m beginning to think you don`t like me at all!
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Male 1,455
"WRONG!
i know more atheist "homophobes" than i do Christian "homophobes"."

1. You`re the rare exception. The proportional majority of such people are Christian rather than atheist, since Christianity is anti-gay to the point where the Bible requires execution of any homosexual.

2. You make very little impact when your spelling and grammar appear like a young child flailing on the keyboard.

3. Homophobe is an idiotic word, since its translation from Latin means `afraid of people like you`. So, the only way homophobe can mean anti-gay is if you`re gay. Funny that?

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Male 1,003
Hahah! You admit it. Gays are retarded kids. Do you allow one retarded person to marry another? No. Retarded people cannot raise a family, not a real family anyway.
Whoever said I was Christian? Because I mentioned a god?
I don`t believe in god, but if there was one, I`d want him to kill gays. God is just a figure of speech. You know, like gays say "oh my god" a lot, when they know they`ll burn to ashes when they step into a church.
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Male 2,160
hey...i´m a troll...i sit under my bridge all day at my pc looking for posts to start arguements on...hell,check my occupation on my homepage =)
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Male 63
Nothing you say makes sense anymore. I`m confused as to if you`re a troll or not. So I`m going to just smile and stare blankly into space =D
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Male 1,455
"studies have shown children with homophobic parents are likely to be homophobic themselves"

Studies have also shown that children with religious/racist/anti-semitic parents are likely to be religious/racist/anti-semitic themselves.

SHOCK! HORROR! NOBODY WOULD EVER GUESS!

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Female 1,545
lol @ smigbaafm
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Male 648
IAB, closing the gap for the title of "Internet hate machine"
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Male 1,455
"God, will you please kill all these homos?"

How very un-Christian of you. I imagine that God would not listen to one who wants others to die.

"Nature is wrong?"

Oh, right, because nobody is ever born with defects. There`s no such thing as people handicapped or crippled from birth. Right. Nature never screws up.

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Male 1,003
No, the guy giving it to you is drunk or pretending to be the man. Isn`t that what you do? Take turns?
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Male 1,420
maybe being homophobic isnt a choice? studies have shown children with homophobic parents are likely to be homophobic themselves. if you cant choose who to love, maybe you cant choose who to hate?

but on a serious note...
"But Shortone, the only people who are opposed to homosexuality and think its a choice are the religious ones"
WRONG!
i know more atheist "homophobes" than i do Christian "homophobes". this is coming from someone who knows mostly Christian people.

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Female 362
Genius!
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Male 63
So is the guy given it to me also girly? Do girls make guys bend over and give it to them too?
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Male 1,003
No. Prinn, you`re supposed to bend over and let a guy give it to you. If that isn`t girly (gay) enough, I don`t know what is.
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Male 2,160
and i agree smigbaafm,its propaganda for both sides,one can use it as a arguement and its got so many loopholes its able to work for the other also,so its more or less just fuel for conflict and a form of propaganda.
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Female 380
I belive that its a nature/upbringing thing. I hate to cut it to the Freudians but I dont belive that crap about the whole "penis envy". If you want to love the same sex, then I say go for it. I know a guy that I work with who belives 100% that its a mental thing and they should suffer shock therapys and thing of that nature to rid themselfs of those feelings. However, if you have ever met the guy, you can tell he is far from well ajusted and cant get any weather he is gay or straight...
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Male 63
Wait, what? When you`re gay, you have to act like a girl?

Geez, I`ve been doing this wrong the whole time!

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Male 648
why is everyone so serious? this is just as much a propaganda film as the one with the kid who was hiding a shotgun in his pants.
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Male 2,160
IAB isnt total anti christian,and tbh,my society sees any religion with gods as lowly and lacking confidence in itself and ability to accept responsibility for its own actions,and the more dependent on gods they are the weaker they are in our eyes,meaning wbc ranks with pond scum to us.
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Male 1,003
God, will you please kill all these homos?
IT IS A choice. You are born with a penis, what do you have to say about that? Nature is wrong? If nature is wrong, and you were "born gay" then how do we know nature wasn`t wrong that time.
It`s not. You have a penis, hair on your back, a manly voice. ACT LIKE A MAN, or go kill yourself for being such a queer.
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Female 385
Heehee... awesome video.

Just gonna leave it at that. Don`t want to touch the slowly-brewing crap-storm.

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Female 416
Oh, and as for the "Choice or not" debate.

I didn`t get to choose my sexuality. That is all.

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Female 35
"With the possible exception of the Bob Jones University..." lol.

From what I learned in Intro to Psych (a couple of years ago, so my info/memory might not be right anymore), a lot of the research is less conclusive than the video states. Still, it`s probably good that the research is being done since the gay/straight issue is such a hot topic right now.

Incidentally, regarding "Christian": Some Christians do discriminate against gay people, but not all do. And some of the "branches" of Christianity that are commonly accused of discrimination don`t actually condemn BEING gay, they just condemn being in a gay relationship.

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Female 416
I love how the whole "Homosexuality, genetics or choice?" debate I expected to come out of this turned into yet another religious debate.

Way to go guys, way to go.

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Female 182
And like the video said- If it isn`t natural, why do some animals mate (well not have babies obviously) with the same sex? Obviously they`re going to hell too I guess. /sarcasm
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Female 1,545
iamrobot13, I think that too. I think there are a multitude of reasons why a person is gay, each as credible as the next. Be it genes, environment, or a combination of both.
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Female 182
I love gay people.
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Female 1,545
xParanoia, someone chooses the content that goes up on this site. And that entity, whatever it may be, chooses a lot of anti-Christian stuff.

Not all the time, I agree. But a good portion of IAB content is anti-Christian, you must admit.

And I agree. Anti-WBC content is excluded from the "anti-Christian" category.

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Male 148
I won`t openly deny what they say, but I think psychic trauma and upbringing must play some role somewhere.

And even if it is a "choice" theres nothing wrong with prefering a little bung as a substitute forsome vag.

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Female 1,545
kurush, there are a lot of other people who are NOT Christians who are opposed to homosexuality.
And many are not against it because of religion.
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Female 767
It`s not IAB, it`s the video. IAB doesn`t constantly post all anti-Christian stuff.
Sidenote: Anti WBC things are not anti-Christian, considering they are the lowest and most disgusting form of religion on the planet.
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Female 2,674
Some people choose it and some are born it. A woman might become a lesbian because she was raped as a little kid, as happened with one of my friends. But there are people like my uncle who are just gay and have always been gay. Of course there are the idiots who think its cool to be gay or bi and change just to fit in. -_- (I would say the same about a gay person who was born gay and change to being straight just to fit in)
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Female 1,545
The Christian character was excessive. Not all Christians are against homosexuals, and wish to be treated fairly, without bias.

Once again, IAB`s true agenda shines through in all its Christian-hating glory.

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Male 146
But Shortone, the only people who are opposed to homosexuality and think its a choice are the religious ones (obviously not all of the religious people).
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Male 648
as if genetics ever stopped someone from being discriminated against.
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Female 731
...and the video was good, too.
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Female 1,244
I don`t like how his name was Christian...

I`m christian but I believe that it isn`t a choice..I don`t think that every christian believes that it`s a choice..

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Female 744
Awesome. I have no problem with gays, but my mother...well, she`s a different story. =/
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Female 183
Okay, that theory about the female body "feminizing" the male fetus is questionable. What about only children? Why don`t gay men have feminine statures and faces? How the heck are lesbians made?
Yeah, I agree that it`s not a choice, but c`mon. This theory has so many holes in it that it could be swiss cheese. Mmmm, cheese.
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Female 767
I`m not gonna comment on the "perfect female body" cartoon character.
Oh wait, I did.

That animation was amazing and that clip of anaphase was the exact one I saw in biology class.

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Female 731
Again, togetec displays his genius in the I-A-B comments.
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Female 2,196
good vid
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Male 2,160
dainty,switch to cable,just plug into back of pc and into modem and its done,used to use wireless but got so tired of awful connection and it acting up that i tossed the USB thing in some drawer and dug up the primitive but reliable cable.
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Female 511
Made me lol a bit.
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Male 629
nice vid. :)
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Male 297
great video
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Male 211
Martha was hawt.
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Male 2
Was that the animator of the Clerks cartoon? It looked like exactly the same style

"I loved how the guys name was Christian."

I thought that was insanely excessive and stereotypical.

As far as gay goes, Have at it, i say.

I don`t even see it as an issue anymore. Let homosexuals get married, for god`s sake, it`s not a big deal.

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Female 338
Well that video was fabulously animated!

: )

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Male 1,556
I think that people can do whatever they want.
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Male 608
it is a choice. i hate kweers. They`re all goin to hell. thats what i say
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Male 1,556
That was a cool video. "well I don know this girl named Heather who goes back and forth..."


I loved how the guys name was Christian.

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Male 2,160
silly...if people wanna be gay,let them,as long as they dont use it as a excuse to whine and howl and dont go flaunting it about everywhere who cares,doesnt hurt anyone.
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Female 393
lol at the cartoon
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Female 1,572
Link: Homosexuality: Is It A Choice? [Rate Link] - An short, but interesting documentary aimed at people who say homosexuality is a choice. It`s fabulously animated!
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