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    patthebaker Male 18-29
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    April 17, 2008 at 10:01 pm
    Link: Black or White? - A social experiment distinguishing children`s perspective on race.
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    demonclown Male 18-29
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    April 17, 2008 at 11:31 pm
    Whats With All The Stuff On Race?
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    Myself4086 Male 18-29
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    April 17, 2008 at 11:35 pm
    Interesting nontheless.

    Hi Nate.

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    kenneth7415 Male 13-17
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    April 17, 2008 at 11:43 pm
    imo, i don`t really see the point on that. I mean, kids are just kids. yes, racism is bad but you can`t expect your race to be everywhere. i doesn`t really make sense to me.
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    Johnny_Blaze Male 18-29
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    April 17, 2008 at 11:43 pm
    Hmmm, I`m going to ponder upon this subject for the next plethora of days to come.
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    silv134 Male 30-39
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    April 17, 2008 at 11:43 pm
    Weird how a black child would prefer the white doll over the doll that looks more like them. never would have thought that. Feel bad for the litle girl who picked the black doll as the bad one and the had to pick the same one to show which one looked like her. Very odd
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    JuliaDebasse Female 18-29
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    April 17, 2008 at 11:44 pm
    I`m just thinking out loud here, but could it be that the children chose the doll simply `cause it was different from them? Because when it comes to playing reality usually isn`t a child`s first choice, is it? They like to pretend to be princessses, cats, teachers, doctors. Things that they are not. Could it be that it`s not a race thing? If we gave white children the option to choose a black or a white doll, would they choose the white doll?

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    AnwarNova Male 18-29
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    April 17, 2008 at 11:45 pm
    what about the asian doll...or the arab doll...or the hispanic doll? Maybe the kids would have chosen the asian dolls over the white.
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    nvrslep303 Male 18-29
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    April 17, 2008 at 11:47 pm
    "Why is it the nice doll?"

    "Its White."

    i lol`d

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    razordragon Male 18-29
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    April 17, 2008 at 11:52 pm
    >_> Never mind that any evil white character always has a ridiculous accent, or thousand of black henchmen.

    On second thought... I don`t care, black people have darker skin because the early origins of their existences were closer to the equator or armer part of the world. (vanishes)

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    tuvok89 Male 18-29
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    April 17, 2008 at 11:52 pm
    omg this is serious
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    TeHrussian Male 18-29
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    April 18, 2008 at 12:20 am
    I don`t quite see what dolls have to do with race issues. Is she trying to get taxpayers to spring some money on boosting black children`s self esteem?

    It`s just as easy to intepret this "study" as follows:
    -Black children see more white role models, and want to be more like them
    -Their parents are less successful than their white counterparts, which makes them prefer the white dolls
    -Because black kids look up to white people, they will also to follow in their foot steps to success such as getting a better education, setting goals, and working hard
    -The kids become successful and change black stereotypes

    I`m not saying above is more likely, but considering the simplicity of the "test" and lack of explanation behind the children`s choices, we can make any conclusion we want, if any.

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    teiso Female 18-29
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    April 18, 2008 at 12:28 am
    ^^^

    In other words, they will become more white, and America would be a better place?

    I`m not saying that there`s nothing wrong with the black community in America (I can`t really say one way or another since I don`t live in America) but I`m sure the white community has problems, too. The white community don`t have LESS problems than the black community, they just have different ones.

    And at that young age, self-esteem is really important. Self-esteem is what motivates people, lack of self-esteem is what de-motivates people. Having little self esteem will not aid you in becoming better people.

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    NimSim Male 18-29
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    April 18, 2008 at 12:33 am
    Kenneth: No, it can`t be expected for children`s race to be reflected everywhere, but when a child`s race is either only reflected negatively, or positive role models are only reflected as white, it damages the child`s self esteem.
    Julia: Children`s predisposition to fantasy has nothing to do with the color of doll they choose. Honestly, how many white children do you see running around pretending to be black?
    TeHrussian: Your so-called interpretations are rather flawed. It is correct to say that black children see more white role models, but stating that their parents are less successful than white counterparts seems to be a prejudiced statement, and the reality is not that black children aspire to be "white" and successful, many of them instead see their race as unable to succeed. The few children who try to "be white" are ostracized by their peers and lose their cultural identity.
    For some perspective, read "Why are all the black children sitting t
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    Nidonemo Male 18-29
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    April 18, 2008 at 12:36 am
    These kids were pretty young, and their definition of "bad" and "good" would most likely vary from family to family, regardless of race.

    Remember that different households, families, ages, they all are different. The child growing up in an angry religious home would most likely see and develop differently than a child growing up in a home where there is little of such imagery.

    Also, time may be a factor as well, I`ve overheard people talk about their grandparents still gripping to the war attitude like it happened three months ago. They use words like "jap" and such because that`s what people said back then. Now you`d receive a nasty/shocked look if you utter that phrase.

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    Nidonemo Male 18-29
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    April 18, 2008 at 12:38 am
    Also:

    It matters not what skin your shell wears, your spirit is what counts, and the life you live and how you live it is more important anyway.

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    srpatata Male 18-29
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    April 18, 2008 at 12:41 am
    yeah, there is still a lot of racism in the world, most people deny it.. but i experience it everyday..
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    quick_sand8 Female 40-49
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    April 18, 2008 at 12:44 am
    It is amazing the posts here and how different all the present comments are. I would have like to have seen dolls of all ethnicities put on the table as well.... Think the girl with the camera didn`t move out of the 50`s herself, by using only a black and white doll. I don`t like the question, which doll is bad...did you see the look on the little girl`s face?? That to me, was her looking at the interviewer "am I right". I don`t necessarily think she proved anything. Other then keeping racism alive and well herself........sorry
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    xViTAMiN22 Male 18-29
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    April 18, 2008 at 12:45 am
    Okay. This didn`t surprise or shock me...but yea, it`s still horrible that racism exists and is learned early. But when you think about it you`re asking a kid which is the good doll...Would it be better if they just all chose the black one? Or when they asked for the bad doll the white one? There really is no right answer, and both answers would be controversial.
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    witchawitcha Female 13-17
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    April 18, 2008 at 12:50 am
    okay okay people! its a big deal, yeah it is. but what the heck can ya do?
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    quick_sand8 Female 40-49
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    April 18, 2008 at 12:51 am
    It does matter what color your skin is...
    BUT, it also matters whether your a woman of ANY color, if you are Poor or Rich, who you know, what kind of car you drive, what your house looks like, how you talk, how you carry yourself, and WHAT you look like!!!!!
    And where you are!!!
    There are still places in the state I live in, that Oprah Winfrey couldn`t walk down the street!!! (thank god I don`t live near any of that crap)
    But it just goes to show IGNORANCE and STUPIDITY, and BRAINWASHING, is still something that you young people need to teach YOUR children, if anything is ever going to change...
    Cause it wasn`t that long ago the 50`s!!!!!
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    TeHrussian Male 18-29
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    April 18, 2008 at 12:54 am
    lol I knew there`d be controversy. My interpretations are not flawed simply because you don`t agree with them. I simply gave a version that is more "uplifting" than just saying that "it`s disturbing that black children lack self esteem because of the color of their skin".

    Call it prejudicial if you want, but I`m a poor immigrant, who has been living in the crappy areas of NYC and San Diego for 5 out of last 9 years (4 on a Marine base). I have seen the people who struggle, the people who collect welfare, and the people who turn to crime to earn a living somehow. Guess what? Easily 80% of those people are minorities, mostly black (in NYC) and hispanic (in SD).

    What may be prejudice to you is an observation from someone`s everyday life over the years.

    I`m not even going to touch on whether black people should become more "white". I`m rather pragmatic so as far as I`m concerned, cultural identity is something that can be sacrificed for the sake of suc

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    quick_sand8 Female 40-49
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    April 18, 2008 at 12:56 am
    If what I posted isn`t true, then you all look at what goes on in your high school... It was the same when I went.. Popular, rich, jocks, cheerleaders, the "click`s", all rule!!!! They set the standards by which every other kid is either teased, left out, harassed, ignored,treated like crap, etc... So what do you think about those kids? They grow up to be the same narrow minded adults who make the rules out in the work force, that YOU all will have to deal with a few short years from now... Now, tell me it doesn`t make a difference and what can ya` do... You better make changes, or your kids will go through just the same crap you did!!!
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    toneman Male 30-39
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    April 18, 2008 at 1:00 am
    Steve Levitt summed this up really well in the book he co-authored, "Freakonimics." A few have touched on this already. The demographics in the US prison population speaks volumns.

    I also agree with quick_sand. This little girl is obviously untrained in interviewing techniques. Many of the questions she was asking were certainly steering and could only have one outcome.

    Aside from that, race will be an issue for a long to come in the US. (By the way, I am a US citizen. I am presently serving overseas.) I do think that if Barak Obama is elected president, however, that may quail much of it. That is mere speculation.

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    NimSim Male 18-29
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    April 18, 2008 at 1:01 am
    Oh, of course anecdotal evidence automatically makes your opinion correct. Did you ever think that the reason so many of the minorities turned to crime was because they are downtrodden and poor in the first place? Studies have been done to show that blacks and whites in equal economic situations have nearly equal crime rates. And yes, your interpretations are flawed. I could say that ice cream makes people murder because as ice cream sales go up, so do murder rates. Sure, the real reason is that in the summer time, more people are outside and more ice cream is sold, but because it`s "my interpretation" it can be valid too. Nope, sorry, your interpretation is wrong. And the problem is that people aren`t sacrificing their cultural identity, they`re being forced to adopt the white identity. There is a white identity, and for some reason, whites think that all races should adopt it, leaving their own behind.
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    HuskysTiger Male 18-29
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    April 18, 2008 at 1:03 am
    My professor last term told us this story of a beautiful, light-skinned (black and something else) girl who volunteered in an elementary school. Other black girls with darker complexion also volunteered. The children, who were black, showed obvious signs of preference to the mixed girl. When they were asked why, they said "because she`s pretty."
    I think it`s disappointing that these kids and the ones in the video don`t have enough self esteem.
    The kids` choices are a reflection of how they view themselves and the world. Apparently to them the world is predominated by whites and blacks are negatively or poorly portrayed. The world still has a long way to go.
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    TeHrussian Male 18-29
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    April 18, 2008 at 1:19 am
    NimSim, I now conclude that you lack logical reasoning. You try to provide counter-arguments but fail to carefully examine the originals.

    Anecdotal evidence? Hmm, I guess I should wait another 5 years and live in a couple more cities. Maybe then...

    Poverty turns them to crime? Way to take my premise and turn it into your own conclusion. Let`s just go in circles now that I know you can`t come up with your own ideas.

    Ice cream to murder connection? Obviously flawed. You don`t even provide any causal link between the two. The informal fallacy there is ignoring a common cause, by the way.

    Oh, and as far as "identity" goes: there`s a system set up by the white people who created this country. If you want to succeed in it, adopt. S i m p l e.

    When you learn to properly read an argument, cast your prejudice aside, examine it, and reply thoughtfully, maybe I`ll read a post by you again. Until then, don`t bother. I don`t talk to close-minded people.

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    Devi3000 Female 18-29
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    April 18, 2008 at 1:28 am
    "Oh, and as far as "identity" goes: there`s a system set up by the white people who created this country. If you want to succeed in it, adopt. S i m p l e."

    Well said.

    The black doll could be considered "bad" because of the stero types all around us. What good black role models are there? Alive that is and current. Not much to choose from.

    Or it could be as simple as picking the doll that is farthest from yourself. I would like to see this with white children. I really would.

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    Cyanic Male 13-17
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    April 18, 2008 at 1:44 am
    Dear Diary... JACKPOT!
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    drogue Male 40-49
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    April 18, 2008 at 2:06 am
    hi everyone - 1st post, and privyet, TeHrussian. 2 points:

    1. Most sociologists agree that crime and poverty are definitely linked--at least as far as certain types of crime.

    2. Many people of many colors are trying to change that system set up by white people in this country, and progress is being made, despite the tone of this video. Systems change, societies evolve and grow, and this one is. In your words, if you want to succeed in it--adapt.

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    JuliaDebasse Female 18-29
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    April 18, 2008 at 2:15 am
    NimSim: I don`t recall ever seeing a black child pretending to be white either.

    The fact is simple: black people are a minority - you could conclude children do not enjoy feeling part of a minority.

    If you asked a young jewish child if he`d rather celebrate christmas or hanuka, and he chose christmas (cause that`s how most stores are decorated) would it mean he has a low selfsteem and, overall, a diminished perception about himself? No. It would probably mean he`d hope to be like "most kids".

    I`m not proposing a definitive view of whatever this "test" may mean, I`m just thinking about all the things that it can mean.

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    JuliaDebasse Female 18-29
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    April 18, 2008 at 2:22 am
    The whole problem with the U.S and race seems to be, from an outsider`s view, the following: There`s a "black" culture and a "white" culture. When people here say black kids should learn to appreciate "their" culture it really amazes me. A country has one culture, made out of the mix of all the people in there. That`s how it is here (Brasil), at least. I`m not talking about racism - racism is the product of stupidity, and that will always exist anywhere. I`m talking about segregation - and the minute you say "my culture" and "your culture" you are creating (very strange and dumb, in my view) segregation.

    The color of your skin should, at all times, be irrelevant. A child shouldn`t be proud to be black or white. It`s just irrelevant. As long as it`s threated as relevant it will be.

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    stevenash Male 18-29
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    April 18, 2008 at 2:27 am
    This research is not a racist research....it is mainly a social psychology research..to see if a child is not affected by their own conscience and knowledge bout differences btw races who would they choose?...it`s testing a mere early and primitif mental of humanity to see if we have managed to change that...it`s not bout racism...it`s bout mentality at it`s purest level..anyway..the research would be better if they did it with 1-2 year old child...they live in a community of colored people..so why do they choose the white doll and deemed it prettier? What is her thoughts and mentality?The research is not bout racism. Mainly children do not think bout role model and minority and stuff...they just look at things and see it as fun and pretty or not. It is just that it seem desirable to them. Btw I think if they use Asian dolls the kids would choose the Asians...as they are prettiest of them all(cause they`re a mixed of colors)..:P
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    SpoonFork Male 30-39
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    April 18, 2008 at 2:30 am
    That`s pretty sad.

    "Show me the bad doll." Picks up black doll. "Show me what doll you are more like." Picks up black doll.

    :-(

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    imbrium65 Male 40-49
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    April 18, 2008 at 2:48 am
    Maybe if there were more positive black role models (instead of gansta hip-hop thug culture bs), black children would identify more with black dolls. Just saying.
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    MadP Female 18-29
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    April 18, 2008 at 3:12 am
    This is so sad.

    I know how they feel.

    When I was 8 I remember seeing a picture of me holding my first dog and thinking...this isn`t right, this doesn`t look right. I`d never seen a black kid with a dog.

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    Mo73 Male 30-39
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    April 18, 2008 at 3:38 am
    Blah Blah Blah...I am so sick of the race issue. My people were slaves as well.. get over it. Black people are just as bad as white people when it comes to race.
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    teiso Female 18-29
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    April 18, 2008 at 3:48 am
    My professor last term told us this story of a beautiful, light-skinned (black and something else) girl who volunteered in an elementary school. Other black girls with darker complexion also volunteered. The children, who were black, showed obvious signs of preference to the mixed girl. When they were asked why, they said "because she`s pretty."


    This may not have anything to do with what happened in your scenario, but I have an opinion that people with mixed genes, whatever races their genes are made up of, whatever shade of colour their skin is, are often more attractive than either of their parents.

    I believe this has to do with genetics. Their features are more evened out and therefore more attractive. When inbreeding occurs, the features that the parents have in common are more pronounced and obvious, which is less attractive.

    I think this is also to do with health. Healthy creatures are generally more attractive in nature. There are often health problems due to

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    teiso Female 18-29
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    April 18, 2008 at 3:51 am
    inbreeding, whereas when there is a wide range of genetics to be made up of, the chances that they will get the good genes from both parents and bypass the less desirable ones are improved.

    I am sure there are exceptions to this, but all of the people with mixed genes that I know of, whether white ancestry was part of their genes or not, have been exceptionally attractive. Often I have found them to be also intelligent and athletic.

    But this has nothing really to do with the video.

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    Xenophonix Female 18-29
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    April 18, 2008 at 4:22 am
    Poor kid O_o

    Though I think it depends where the children live. Give the same interview to girls in africa and you`ll get the black doll as the attractive one all the time.

    Beauty is percieved differently in all cultures. These children are growing up in a white majority where all magazines and beauty products are nearly always set alongside stick thin white girls with huge bazongas. Many baby ads have cute cheruby pale monstrosities with shiny lips and rosy cheeks - it`s natural they`d think that`s the norm.

    Advertising and cultural preferences will change with the population.

    So maybe this is just a transition phase - perhaps we will see more black people portrayed in beauty and baby powder adverts.

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    getxdown Female 13-17
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    April 18, 2008 at 4:51 am
    Y`know, i`ve been around white people predominately my whole life. I`ve never had a problem with race, however I`m just now starting to see that many white people still in fact, do.
    Maybe it`s just because I live in a thickly redneck area that is located very close to a major city, but the racism here is out of control.
    The other day, I met a black man, and he was interested in my number, so I gave it to him because he was pretty cute. I went to school the next day and told some friends about it, and the majority of people I told freaked out on me.
    "OMG, you gave your number to a black guy!"
    Or, "What?! that`s just not right, I don`t like when white people and black people are together."
    It made me lose a lot of respect for some people that I thought, would be accepting.
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    teiso Female 18-29
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    April 18, 2008 at 5:03 am
    getxdown:

    Yeah, that is pretty bad. I`m glad to see that you`re not being influenced them though. I myself am for interracial dating, see my above post.

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    Diddie Male 18-29
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    April 18, 2008 at 5:06 am
    Hardly scientific this time around. There`s no control and relatively small sample. To call this evidence of anything on a general scale is wrong.
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    teiso Female 18-29
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    April 18, 2008 at 5:24 am
    ^^^

    It WAS just a high-school project.

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    teiso Female 18-29
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    April 18, 2008 at 5:26 am
    Also, the girl didn`t create the experiment. She RE-created it. The original experiment probably was devised someone who was a professional.

    I`m not saying that it is completely objective or anything, just saying that it wasn`t the highschool girl who came up with the original experiment.

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    vintagepizza Female 13-17
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    April 18, 2008 at 5:31 am
    I saw this video ages ago and was really shocked actually.

    I`m a white girl and I would love a little black baby. Actually, I don`t care what colour my babies skin is as long as it`s cute which of course it will be with me as a mother.

    Can`t be bothered writing a serious comment on race issues tonight.

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    tvc15db Female 30-39
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    April 18, 2008 at 5:41 am
    Kids do not always see race but color. Case in point my youngest one Christmas was in the car with his Father , Grandfather , Uncle and sister. His Dad is black as well as the uncle and Grandfather. I am white. My son made the comment there are 3 brown people in this car and 2 white people. When his Grandfather told him you are brown too. My son looked at his skin and his sisters skin and said no my skin is white. He was looking at the skin color . He had no real clue about race
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    yo-i-am-luke Male 18-29
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    April 18, 2008 at 6:17 am
    Proves black people want to be white (mical jackson) and white people want to be black (wiggers)
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    ethoma1 Female 18-29
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    April 18, 2008 at 6:21 am
    The little girl seemed very hesitant about picking up the black doll to describe herself after she just used it to reflect "the bad doll." Poor thing.
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    ethoma1 Female 18-29
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    April 18, 2008 at 6:23 am
    It is weird, though, because my 6-year-old would have asked more questions when asked to pick up the "good" doll and the "bad." I think so, anyway. Maybe I will try that and see. He is multi-racial.
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    Shortone0726 Female 18-29
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    April 18, 2008 at 6:32 am
    I don`t like how she asked what was the bad doll and the good doll..I felt so bad for that girl when she chose the black doll as the bad doll and then she showed that she looked like the black doll more..I could tell the girl felt uncomfortable
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    BakaNeko728 Female 18-29
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    April 18, 2008 at 6:55 am
    that`s pretty sad. but it`s still kind of obvious like with the way people just are. i see it everyday that even the new young generation differentiates each race. sure, it may be a joke, but the underlying message is still there. the fact that it may be a joke for an asian person to go "i wasn`t sleeping i`m asian!" but for it to actually happen... that`s pretty... i can`t even find the words for it. even when growing up, though your parents may not be RACIST - i`m pretty sure that they`ve used terms to distinguish the different racest. however, i know a case where a father was yelling sometihng like "black guy" on the television, but a little kid was confused and said to his dad that he only saw green and red people or sometihng like that. it was a basketball game and those were the colors of their jersys. something like that is kind of like hope that MAYBE things can change. but no one is really doing anything. there must be action if you`re shocked and appalled
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    Maelstrom_x Male 18-29
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    April 18, 2008 at 7:05 am
    >"Why is it the nice doll?"
    >"Its White."

    >i lol`d

    So did I... lol

    What a dumb experiment. So black kids have to choose black babies or they are racist? When you are a 7-year-old, the last thing you think about is political correctness and race. We`re talking about children young enough to see a Lucky Charms commercial and beg their parents to get them Lucky Charms the next time they go to the store. Hell, they could hate the cereal, but the commercial was cool.

    Kids that young will take in whatever "looks better", and in the mind of a child, brighter colors and shades tend to more pleasing to the eye. Daycares and nurseries are painted in pastel colors, not navy blue or crimson.

    The problem is when a 7-year-old is subjected to racism out in the real world, like a white mother not letting the child into her son`s birthday party. That would take a toll on the child and open up such a perspective.

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    Maelstrom_x Male 18-29
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    April 18, 2008 at 7:20 am
    Also, the terms she used I did not like at all. "Which one looks like the bad doll?" and "Which one looks more like you?" forces the child to adopt a negative opinion about the other doll, and then forces that same negative opinion upon the child themselves.
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    proof1221 Male 18-29
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    April 18, 2008 at 7:33 am
    OMFG IDC ABOUT THIS!!!!!! ITS 200 AND FRIGGEN 8 NOT 1863
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    Diddie Male 18-29
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    April 18, 2008 at 7:53 am
    Tesio :`It WAS just a high-school project.` I am well aware and this back up my point even more. You cannot infer anything from this. From your points about `increased genetics` (increased heterozygosity) you obviously feel strongly about this. In fact, go do a degree in genetics. Its quite interesting from my experience. :)
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    kaseyface Female 18-29
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    April 18, 2008 at 8:01 am
    When is Disney going to have a black princess? They were all caucasian-looking until Jasmine and Mulan. My Korean cousins were *so* excited when Mulan came along, because they wanted to dress up as a Disney princess. They said they didn`t like dressing as the white princesses because even if they wear that princess dress, they still look different, so they are happy that they can look like Mulan. It`s about time for another quality Disney princess movie anyway, if they can stick to their old standards of quality.
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    goregina Female 18-29
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    April 18, 2008 at 8:04 am
    clark & clarks study was in 1939, not 1954. It was replicated in 1969 by Hraba and Grant, and they found that kids chose dolls of their own race rather than the white dolls. This documentary really needs re-thinking, and needs to consider hraba & grants` results too. I know these studies backwards btw :]
  59. Profile photo of Shiruba
    Shiruba Male 18-29
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    April 18, 2008 at 8:05 am
    just the idea of "race" is awful, its like there is a "race" of people with long hair, or a "race" of fat people, etc.
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    anGiE_O_o Female 13-17
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    April 18, 2008 at 8:08 am
    that`s disturbing
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    Diddie Male 18-29
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    April 18, 2008 at 8:33 am
    This one`s for you and your friends kaseyface link
  62. Profile photo of Victory7
    Victory7 Male 18-29
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    April 18, 2008 at 8:52 am
    Okay, I`ve had enough of all this race bullcrap. Races are different mentally and physically, it`s a genetic fact. Okay, so now that we`re past that, how about this radical idea? Treat others with respect. The entire thing can just be solved if everyone wasn`t such an pretentious a$$hole on both sides towards eachother.
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    Victory7 Male 18-29
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    April 18, 2008 at 8:54 am
    Shiruba, what in the hell are you talking about? I`m part of the caucasian race as defined by my physical and genetic characteristics, what`s terrible about that?
  64. Profile photo of mrcristo
    mrcristo Male 18-29
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    April 18, 2008 at 8:59 am
    "system set up by the white people who created this country. If you want to succeed in it, adopt.

    Actually, slaves created this country. Sure, white people wrote the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution (which was hypocritical at the time), but black people slaved over the land in America, they built monuments, and they fought in wars.

    The white American culture has been one that is a barbaric culture, immersed in enslaving people. The culture carries those same racial ideas down to our day. They may be more "accepting", but they have no qualms with certain racial statements in the privacy of their own home. Growing up in a black household, I know for a certainty that the white jokes made in black film are probably more jokes about white people than a black child will hear in his family in his LIFETIME. Simply put, the black culture isn`t one based on hate like the white culture, but it does bring with it the bitter sting of poverty since the pervading cu

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    mrcristo Male 18-29
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    April 18, 2008 at 8:59 am
    lture is white.
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    Kalimdon Male 18-29
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    April 18, 2008 at 9:14 am
    "I`m not saying that there`s nothing wrong with the black community in America"

    Theres PLENTY wrong with the black community in America.

  67. Profile photo of Medea_B
    Medea_B Female 18-29
    67 posts
    April 18, 2008 at 9:20 am
    The `minorities` over here are not down-trodden nor poor and live an equally prosperous and not so prosperous quality of life as us "whites". That doesn`t stop me constantly hearing racist comments made from the `minorities` at the white people. I`m not stupid, white people are just as bad for racism but I hate how when its black being racist against white it just gets ignored. And don`t you dare try and tell me people are being forced to adopt the white identity. Day by day in my country we as a nation are losing our identity to immigrants and political correctness gone mad. If I dare try and defend my people I too will be called racist. At which point does my patriotism become racism?
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    aj5704 Female 18-29
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    April 18, 2008 at 9:35 am
    i dont know if this was already mentioned or not, but sorry if it was...

    back to the comments on the first page AnwarNova`s comment "what about the asian doll...or the arab doll...or the hispanic doll? Maybe the kids would have chosen the asian dolls over the white. "
    there really arent any asian or arabic dolls... there are very few... and there are more hispanic dolls than asian and arabic, but there are still so few of them... i dont really remember where i was going with this, but i wanted to point that out.

    what if they had had an asian or arabic child do this test? what would they have done then?

  69. Profile photo of AlexTron
    AlexTron Male 18-29
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    April 18, 2008 at 9:37 am
    We talked about this in my sociology classes a few times.

    Also, I`m glad to know some of you understand the meaning behind this while clearly the messages went over a few heads.

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    ne028 Male 18-29
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    April 18, 2008 at 9:52 am
    i wonder what they would have done with fat and skinny dolls...maybe a skinny black one and a fat white one or something like that..
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    icantrecall Female 18-29
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    April 18, 2008 at 10:24 am
    this is like a year old and was on the oprah show a looong time ago
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    shamille Female 18-29
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    April 18, 2008 at 10:46 am
    old.

    oh did anyone else think that the interviewer guy was hot?

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    Ruswut Male 18-29
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    April 18, 2008 at 10:59 am
    It`s not painful it`s god damn advertising you moron!! I hate psychological "experiments" psychology is not a science and never will be, there are too many variables in reality to do a decent experiment. Advertising companys show white dolls a lot more often than black, and maybe they`re racist you`ll say? Well if we left it to those kids to make a doll company they`d all produce white dolls two and would they be racist? Most people would say no black people can`t be racist against black people... bullpoo to all of this crap >.< Screw race.
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    londoncallme Female 18-29
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    April 18, 2008 at 11:45 am
    It`s interesting how this biased experiment is being looked at by all us I-A-Bers...
    I`m just pissed I`m from the state where this news was first talked about... I`ve watched KOMO 4 news before...
    I would have loved to this this social experiment expanded. And, the reason it`s a weak argument has already been said. She`s a high-schooler for one and she just videotaped her version of the same experiment done years before. Also, she was leading in some of her questions. I didn`t learn anything from this except that the more "controversial" something is the more air time you`ll get.
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    londoncallme Female 18-29
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    April 18, 2008 at 11:49 am
    kaseyface, Disney is coming out with a new disney princess. I don`t remember her name but it`s for their new movie based off the Frog Prince and the princess is african-american.
    (and, btw, Mulan is awesome--although technically not a disney princess... And what about Pocahantas, she`s a disney princess-a native american-who no one ever talks about.)
  76. Profile photo of primetimekin
    primetimekin Male 18-29
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    April 18, 2008 at 12:15 pm
    Interesting. I dont know how to feel. On one hand this can be serious as the child refered to the black doll as the bad doll. On the other hand they might want a doll like the ones they always see on tv (still an issue but not that big) or it can be nothing at all.
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    pomunium Female 13-17
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    April 18, 2008 at 12:24 pm
    uhh. interesting, but i think that the only reason they all chose the white one was because that is the type of doll that most of us have grown up with . the fact is that if that doll is the one that they are used to, they`ll choose it.
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    NumbuhZero Female 18-29
    878 posts
    April 18, 2008 at 12:31 pm
    Oh fantastic.
    I can see the upcoming government funded programs now.
  79. Profile photo of BroadwayLove
    BroadwayLove Female 18-29
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    April 18, 2008 at 12:44 pm
    am I the only white kid who loved black baby dolls? I had three, a water baby and two cabbage patch kids.

    It`s not fair to blame racism on white people. Everybody is racist, and the most racist people I know are african american.

  80. Profile photo of Victory7
    Victory7 Male 18-29
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    April 18, 2008 at 12:58 pm
    mrcristo, that`s an asinine comment. Just look at Africa and what happens there everyday. Now, tell me with a straight face that the "black" (aka, African) culture isn`t based off violence. Every god damn culture has been based off violence. Why aren`t you angry at the Egyptians for enslaving your distant ancestors when they ruled Egypt? Don`t even try to imply that Americans started slavery, it`s been going on since ancient times.
  81. Profile photo of Victory7
    Victory7 Male 18-29
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    April 18, 2008 at 1:00 pm
    Exactly, BroadwayLove.
  82. Profile photo of madcow93
    madcow93 Male 13-17
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    April 18, 2008 at 1:59 pm
    maybe becaue ther are more white dolls than black dolls the chrildren preffered them.
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    JoeBored Male 13-17
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    April 18, 2008 at 2:16 pm
    messed up i would take both lol
  84. Profile photo of contagiousx
    contagiousx Female 18-29
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    April 18, 2008 at 2:31 pm
    It`s not supposed to be little kids being racist. It`s just.. how their minds works I suppose. America is so white-centered, that little kids will obviously be impressioned a certain way.
    I wish race wasn`t a matter at all. Appearance isn`t a choice when it comes to your race and natural features.
  85. Profile photo of itsdrew
    itsdrew Male 13-17
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    April 18, 2008 at 2:37 pm
    yup. but still, only surveying 21 children sounds inconclusive.
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    kulekaitlyn Female 13-17
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    April 18, 2008 at 3:06 pm
    i think its funny that all these people wrote huge paragraphs about this. lol
  87. Profile photo of whyaskwhy
    whyaskwhy Female 13-17
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    April 18, 2008 at 3:11 pm
    this is funny to me because all the black friends i`ve ever had all had lots of black barbies/dolls, and were proud of it. they use to buy ME black barbie dolls for every birthday party.

    and i agree with what people have said about the interviewer forcing the kids to pick good from bad, she`s forcing them to be racist.
    especially how she follows the good and bad question with "which one looks like you?"
    it`s like, trying to make the kid adopt some over-generalized sterotype, which is most often that he/she is the `bad` race. kids remember stuff like that, they`re like sponges. when parents fight over money, the kid hears and thinks that it`s because he asked his mom for a new gameboy game. my point is, kids are impressionable and i think this study does more harm than it does good. it`s just saying "HEY! AMERICA IS RACIST!", and you`re like "ok, what are you gonna do about it? keep on bringing up race as an issue so it will never go away?"

    there

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    whyaskwhy Female 13-17
    275 posts
    April 18, 2008 at 3:16 pm
    are definitely some racist rednecks still alive, and there always will be, but don`t you think that society has become EXTREMELY politically correct already?? honestly, almost any comment somebody would make about race is looked down upon by society. what else is society supposed to do? give minority children special priveleges? set higher limits for minorities in colleges so we have more multiracial role models? seriously, i`m taking SATS right now and i WISH i wasn`t white.
    anyway, that`s besides the point.
    nobody should be proud to be asian or black or white, everybody needs to get over it! GETTT OVVERR IT!!! if the black kids really DO feel that bad about themselves, why is society held entirely responsible while the parents aren`t even mentioned?
    I HATE RACE POSTS!
  89. Profile photo of mrcristo
    mrcristo Male 18-29
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    April 18, 2008 at 3:55 pm
    "mrcristo, that`s an asinine comment. Just look at Africa and what happens there everyday. Now, tell me with a straight face that the "black" (aka, African) culture isn`t based off violence. Every god damn culture has been based off violence. Why aren`t you angry at the Egyptians for enslaving your distant ancestors when they ruled Egypt? Don`t even try to imply that Americans started slavery, it`s been going on since ancient times."

    That`s the African culture, not the Afro-American culture.

  90. Profile photo of QueenZira
    QueenZira Female 18-29
    2228 posts
    April 18, 2008 at 4:11 pm
    Thats just terrible, we still have a lot of deep soul work to do.
  91. Profile photo of theberry216
    theberry216 Female 13-17
    16 posts
    April 18, 2008 at 5:29 pm
    that was awful. those children shouldn`t have unanimously picked the white child. the media really needs to place a greater focus on its black audience. no more of the black best friend and one other black kid at the school thrown in. we need African American leading characters, role models, heros and heroins. and by the looks of it, the sooner the better.
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    PopeBenedict Male 70 & Over
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    April 18, 2008 at 5:50 pm
    Very sad.
  93. Profile photo of Jazzeh
    Jazzeh Female 13-17
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    April 18, 2008 at 6:14 pm
    Wow, that`s kinda sad, but it makes you think.
  94. Profile photo of patthebaker
    patthebaker Male 18-29
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    April 18, 2008 at 6:17 pm
    @theberry216
    they didnt do it unamiously and there are plenty of african american rolemodels and characters look at will smith, denzel washington,Samuel L Jacksoon they kick the ass out of tom cruise anyday
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    dannymet Male 18-29
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    April 18, 2008 at 6:20 pm
    2 words... WHITE FTW!
  96. Profile photo of dannymet
    dannymet Male 18-29
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    April 18, 2008 at 6:20 pm
    well... ftw is actually 3 :P
  97. Profile photo of TeHrussian
    TeHrussian Male 18-29
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    April 18, 2008 at 6:55 pm
    mrcristo

    If you think slaves created this country, you`re delusional. Before the Revolution, it was a colony, ruled by the British and only white men had any real influence and could hold office. Then the Revolution came and nothing really changed except the British were out of the picture. It`s still based of West European model. Systems do change, maybe a black president can facilitate that, but don`t fool yourself, it will always be a system set up by and for the WASPS. The rest of us are just trying to make it in their world.

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    shizzamX Female 18-29
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    April 18, 2008 at 7:01 pm
    why didn`t they ask the white kids too?
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    KindlyKat Female 18-29
    427 posts
    April 18, 2008 at 8:44 pm
    Oh gosh, that broke my heart. I can`t believe they refer to their color as, "bad". As an artist, I find their skin of the most beautiful to draw and paint.
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    swtdreams285 Female 18-29
    1408 posts
    April 19, 2008 at 12:07 am
    Oh my goodness, this was an eye-opener. I remember the first doll I ever had was Caucasian but my first Barbie was olive-skined like me. Even then I prefered the "white" doll because the marketing encourage it.
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    Bekka-Babe Female 13-17
    177 posts
    April 19, 2008 at 1:41 pm
    Aww! That was sad. And Im half black half white, so im on both sides haha. Nah, I dont think theres that much racism out there towards blacks anymore. There is some, but alot of black people are racist too. Its more of a two way thing.
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    kurdizzzz Male 13-17
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    April 19, 2008 at 3:22 pm
    interesting...
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    RyanF701 Male 18-29
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    April 19, 2008 at 4:02 pm
    UGh, this is disturbing
  104. Profile photo of mrcristo
    mrcristo Male 18-29
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    April 19, 2008 at 4:44 pm
    "Systems do change, maybe a black president can facilitate that, but don`t fool yourself, it will always be a system set up by and for the WASPS. The rest of us are just trying to make it in their world."

    Viva Revolution!

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    moonie_kat Female 18-29
    358 posts
    April 19, 2008 at 11:18 pm
    @kaseyface

    The new Disney Princess is going to be an African-American. The story`s The Frog Prince, and it`s set in New Orleans, I think. I`m excited for it, actually.

    I`m such a Disney dork. haha

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    LADT25 Female 18-29
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    April 20, 2008 at 8:10 am
    someone already said it, but i`m going to say again about the fact that the original was done in 1939 and repeated by Hraba and Grant in 1970. Hraba and Grant asked white children and black children and found that the majority wanted to play with the doll that looked their own race. There were some that went against that but not as extreme as in this case. You have to take a lot of things into account like sample size, controls etc.
    Well if you wanna know more just take an A-level in Psychology :)
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    SKR34 Male 13-17
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    April 20, 2008 at 12:03 pm
    How old is this video?
  108. Profile photo of imlaramarie
    imlaramarie Female 18-29
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    April 24, 2008 at 4:59 pm
    First of all.... I`m white with blonde hair... for those of you (hopefully few of you) would assume because of my opinion I`m black...

    No one can say that stereotypes aren`t effecting black children

    I mentored and taught children in the ninth ward (very bad neighborhood) in New Orleans and I will never forget this one time in particular I asked a little boy about 11 years old who gave me frequent trouble why he always felt the need to misbehave and his answer was...

    "Because I`m black."

    Also this 12 year old black girl named Kaylin who I had to have multiple heart to hearts with because she refused to speak with other black children because in her words,

    "Black people give me a bad name."

    the stories are endless...


  109. Profile photo of kummi90
    kummi90 Male 18-29
    541 posts
    May 17, 2008 at 12:51 am
    this test was really retarded...using dolls?? come on!!!

    the fact is that white dolls are used more than black ones in advertising, and so children are more prone to prefer the white ones...

  110. Profile photo of Red5TheFinn
    Red5TheFinn Male 13-17
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    June 12, 2008 at 8:29 pm
    How about you take WHITE people and see what they pick! Shronablandarie
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    jadedtortois Female 18-29
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    July 15, 2008 at 5:20 am
    That makes me sad. Everyone should be proud of their race. :(

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