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Good counter argument though. I could probably go find another study of deaths attributed to this and that...but I won`t do that because I`m pretty sure you could come up with a valid counter argument for anything I throw at you.
I think we`re even. :-)
My rant is more towards smokers who go up in flames when someone attacks their right.
Though yes, to be honest I will be in a similar situation if someone were to attack my right to have promiscuous sex. It is still my decision to put myself in harm`s way.
But as I pointed out, smoking is quite different to airborne diseases, as one is controllable while the other isn`t something you`d realize immediately. People can`t know if that sneeze aimed at you would cause a disease. But people do know that blowing billows of smoke in my direction has a more obvious potential of being harmful and it can be avoided.
But yes Pimptastical, you are absolutely correct with regards to sexual practices.
Think it over, more people die/have died from airborne diseases than secondhand smoke deaths will be able to cover for hundreds of years. By that time though, more people will have died from the airborne diseases and secondhand smoke will likely NEVER cover that.I`m not going to give a source for that info because it`s so easily found and really doesn`t take too much brain power to realize it.
July 2007"Secondhand smoke causes approximately 3,400 lung cancer deaths and 46,000 heart disease deaths in adult nonsmokers in the United States each year."Source
"Based on an analysis of national health data, researchers said 20 million adverse health events occur each year as a result of sexual behavior. An additional 30,000 deaths each year are attributable to sexual behavior translating to 2 million years of lost life, according to the study."Source
January 2005What if your rubber breaks or has a hole in it not visible to the human eye in the first place? 49,300 deaths by secondhand smoke versus 30,000 deaths by sex
And I`d like to point out that just because someone is at a bar doesn`t mean that they are unhealthy. Being at a bar doesn`t suddenly qualify all the people there as alcoholics who chug their lives away. Drinking occasionally and not too much isn`t as damaging as second-hand smoke.But even if they do, drinking up doesn`t physically damage anyone around them. (Except for if they get violent themselves.)
I don`t drink I don`t smoke. I go to bars to hook up (and I use rubber too). So for me in a bar my health risks apart from unhealthy air are maybe people spreading airborne/contact pathogens and bad dancing (or bad dancefloor). A clean air helps cut down the risk by one.
Having said that, I prefer non-smoking bars for obvious reasons. Non-smokers going to smoking bars - their perogative as well.
I`m choosing to have the risks of the things of the bar, not the risk of killing my lungs.
Also, some people do go to bars not for a P--S up. 1 Glass of red wine in the evening is actually healthy. Non smokers have a right not to breath the smoky air, so do it in your own private area.
cancer of the pancreas, mouth, tongue, and throat.
liver cancer, fatty liver, hepatitis, cirrhosis, and other liver disease.
problems with short-term memory, eye movement, walking, cramps, numbness, tingling, and weakness in your legs and hands.
high blood pressure and strokes.
heart muscle disease or heart failure.
Plus the risk you put yourself and everyone else in if you decide to drive after drinking.
One issue with smoking is that it follows the person, and is totally controllable. You *can* choose to smoke or not smoke in a place. Of course people are going to chase off the source, unlike needing to chase away carbon monoxide from the roads.
Of course there`s a bigger picture in the case of air issues. But this one is easily controllable (and if education was more widespread with regards to this matter it really shouldn`t exist), and its individuals are more easily attackable.
I think his point was more the hypocrisy in which some people fervently go after smokers and completely ignore other air related health issues.
Look up cancer rates of toll booth operators sometimes. I`d doubt all the smokers in the world can even appraoch the amount chemicals pumped out by the vehicles of north america alone.
Is smoking dangerous? Yes. Is it the most dangerous carcinogen out there? Id doubt that as well but I haven`t seen any studies that would even come close to satisfying on that matter.
I`ve been to both smoking and non-smoking bars, and there`s a clear difference in the air (mind the pun). Tell me what other health risks are there in bars apart from the loud noises (and sex?)
Look, I don`t care if you want to smoke, ok? But scientific evidence (and people LOVE scientific evidence) has proven there`s a strong link between smoking and lung cancer, and other lung diseases, even from second hand smoking. If you want them that`s your perogative, but I don`t, so if the place doesn`t permit smoking don`t kick a big fuss. You just don`t go there. Capiche?
You want to smoke: FINE. But it`s NOT fine to kill me. Go to your garage and smoke yourself silly.
I`m sure if it existed there will be a couple of suckers who`s going to buy it. :-)
... so im told.