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225 Responses to Wikipedia Refuses to Remove Image of Muhammad

  1. Profile photo of SaintPatty
    SaintPatty Male 18-29
    970 posts
    February 18, 2008 at 12:27 am
    Link: Wikipedia Refuses to Remove Image of Muhammad - This is despite being flooded with over 180,000 complaints from Muslims demanding the images be deleted.
  2. Profile photo of KX250F
    KX250F Male 13-17
    264 posts
    February 18, 2008 at 12:29 am
    They don`t really have to...I mean jeeze. Its just the internet
  3. Profile photo of arasheht
    arasheht Male 18-29
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    February 18, 2008 at 12:29 am
    I have to admit, very classy...
  4. Profile photo of ADRUNKHOBO
    ADRUNKHOBO Male 18-29
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    February 18, 2008 at 12:30 am
    is there somewhere where we can protest this protest?
  5. Profile photo of KX250F
    KX250F Male 13-17
    264 posts
    February 18, 2008 at 12:31 am
    BTW I love Wikipedia...Has all the answers for everything
  6. Profile photo of patthebaker
    patthebaker Male 18-29
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    February 18, 2008 at 12:32 am
    silly fanatics knowledge is for everyone
  7. Profile photo of elway
    elway Male 18-29
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    February 18, 2008 at 12:33 am
    wikipedia gonna get boooombed
  8. Profile photo of angelicamber
    angelicamber Female 18-29
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    February 18, 2008 at 12:33 am
    ....I don`t know what`s worse...
    Wikipedia taking the stand
    ...or Muslims actually caring about a website where half the information is made up by people with no lives...
  9. Profile photo of BikerTeen
    BikerTeen Male 13-17
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    February 18, 2008 at 12:35 am
    not that great
  10. Profile photo of patthebaker
    patthebaker Male 18-29
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    February 18, 2008 at 12:37 am
    thats what he looks like talk about dissapointment
  11. Profile photo of skypirate
    skypirate Male 18-29
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    February 18, 2008 at 12:39 am
    good for wiki! freedom of speech!
  12. Profile photo of lemurarmy
    lemurarmy Male 18-29
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    February 18, 2008 at 12:39 am
    does anyone have a link to this? im curious....i tried just searching on wikipedia (half assed ill admit) but i didnt find it
  13. Profile photo of patthebaker
    patthebaker Male 18-29
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    February 18, 2008 at 12:39 am
    dont woorry hes just some regular guy dont see the big deal
  14. Profile photo of Mani-Jac
    Mani-Jac Male 40-49
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    February 18, 2008 at 12:51 am
    Here`s the link to the pictures and the wiki article
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    KoalaMeatPie Male 18-29
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    February 18, 2008 at 12:51 am
    This is like the Comics which came out a few years back:

    "We are disgraced by your Depictions of our prophet as a leader of Violence! in Retalition We Will Riot in the streets, bomb your Embassies, Rape Women and place a hit on the Cartoonist`s head!

    Very Classy.

  16. Profile photo of wowibrandon
    wowibrandon Male 13-17
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    February 18, 2008 at 12:53 am
    i don`t get it

    britney`s law didn`t exist back then

  17. Profile photo of Mani-Jac
    Mani-Jac Male 40-49
    805 posts
    February 18, 2008 at 1:00 am
    No, it`s

    this

  18. Profile photo of AlfishKK
    AlfishKK Female 18-29
    782 posts
    February 18, 2008 at 1:01 am
    Good on Wikipedia... they don`t have to be PC, they just put up relevant information.
  19. Profile photo of Kisato
    Kisato Female 18-29
    695 posts
    February 18, 2008 at 1:22 am
    Wikipedia, The truth factory... And as far as I can remember, showing Muhammads face is a big deal... It`s suppose to be veiled in all pictures and stuff... I could be wrong or off, but that`s all I remember...
  20. Profile photo of AlfishKK
    AlfishKK Female 18-29
    782 posts
    February 18, 2008 at 1:23 am
    Ok, to explain, it`s basically a sin for Muhammad or Allah`s images to be realistically depicted; usually they are shown as geometric symbols.

    A picture showing Muhammad as looking like a real person is very offensive to Muslims, and this is what they want removed from Wikipedia.

  21. Profile photo of kingdante87
    kingdante87 Male 18-29
    141 posts
    February 18, 2008 at 1:25 am
    They won`t remove Muhammad but they`ll remove every reference to encyclopedia dramatica and every reference to mudkip on the pokemon article.
  22. Profile photo of thanatos16
    thanatos16 Male 18-29
    291 posts
    February 18, 2008 at 1:36 am
    <---- totally wiki`ed that poo
  23. Profile photo of dibens
    dibens Male 18-29
    203 posts
    February 18, 2008 at 1:40 am
    (___)
    (0_o) <=== MUHAMMAD
    UUU

    OMG OMG I OFFENDED YOU!!!11! COME AND BEHEAD ME, I`M AN INFADEL!!!


    Morons.

  24. Profile photo of ranon
    ranon Male 18-29
    295 posts
    February 18, 2008 at 1:50 am
    Well if the muslims dont want to look at the face of Mohummad, then no one is forcing them to. They can decide NOT to go to that page, or some enterprising fellow can come up with a Mohummad image blocker.
  25. Profile photo of TheWood
    TheWood Male 30-39
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    February 18, 2008 at 1:50 am
    OK. Next time I see a pathetic muslim bitch in the street with a burka I simply stone her and pretend she offended my Atheism. Come on! What kind of pathetic race wants some images on the internet taken of because it represents some guy who decided to put a mess on this planet. I totally support Wikipedia`s decision and hope everyone understand that if we accept this kind of protests, the next thing they will do is to ask us to remove the churches, then all the women will have to wear a veil. Next we will be blown but some bombs like in drating gaza!


  26. Profile photo of shizzaster
    shizzaster Male 13-17
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    February 18, 2008 at 1:55 am
    obviously a lot of you are ignorant of islam, so i`ll attempt to enlighten some of you.
    islam forbids the depicition of the prophet because the muslims believe it will lead to a form of idol worship, where they pray to the messenger instead of to the one diety aka allah.
    to have an imagine depicted of him is offensive to many muslims, especially since nobody knows what he looks like.
    if you think that it should be on wiki, that`s fine, but respected others beliefs should be considered...
    either way, don`t shoot me, the messenger.
  27. Profile photo of RelaxEnjoy
    RelaxEnjoy Male 18-29
    205 posts
    February 18, 2008 at 2:05 am
    not too much hatred? please?

    obviously they are wrong to demand the image taken down
    obviously they are right to request the image taken down


    freedom of information > all
    but really thats just my opinion
    and my opinion holds equal value to anyone else`s

    wiki doesn`t display the images on the arabic version, so they have already made attempts at reducing offence

    how about you go write a greasemonkey script if you cant read the arabic article? :P

    you search for information about muhammed you get information about muhammed... damn, thats not what you wanted?

  28. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
    4548 posts
    February 18, 2008 at 2:08 am
    Reasons for not having depictions of Mohammed include but are not limited to:
    1) Idol worship.
    Muslims don`t want Islam to ever deteriorate to a point where they worship Mohammed instead of God. Having statues/pictures of him is therefore forbidden, because they want to make sure there is never that focal point for worship.
    2) Mis-information.
    That is not what Mohammed looked like. Nobody knows what Mohammed looked like. Drawing him puts a specific image as an ideal. (The same reason they don`t like the fact that Jesus is currently drawn looking something like Charlton Heston rather than Yasser Arafat. It reinforces racial stereotypes/ideals).
    3) Specifically insulting pictures.
    The cartoon drama wasn`t about pictures of Mohammed, it was about characterizing all 1.2 billion Muslims as 1 person.

    Burning Crucifixes on lawns should not be part of free speech.

  29. Profile photo of splurbyburbl
    splurbyburbl Male 30-39
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    February 18, 2008 at 2:26 am
    I am ofended at their offense. Can we please censor all the muslims now? No? OK, now we are equal.

    Muslim extremists need to be eradicated with extreme prejudice. With that said, so do any other religious zealots like some Christians and other fanatical morons. Fanatical religion defies all reason. That is the bottom line.

    Don`t get me wrong, I am for religion, but not at the cost of sanity which is more than I can say for SOME of these people... not all.

  30. Profile photo of Mani-Jac
    Mani-Jac Male 40-49
    805 posts
    February 18, 2008 at 2:26 am
    If you don`t want to see the pictures don`t look at it. You can configure your browser to not load images from websites.
  31. Profile photo of kairobert
    kairobert Male 18-29
    1626 posts
    February 18, 2008 at 2:35 am
    HAHA! You can`t bomb a website! What are you going to do now?
  32. Profile photo of manorrd
    manorrd Male 30-39
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    February 18, 2008 at 2:52 am
    I agree that burning Crucifixes on lawns should not be part of free speech.

    ...which is hardly the same thing.

    One involves a trespass onto private property for the purpose of terrorizing the occupants with what amounts to a death threat.

    The other involves the publication of harmless images (except for those who publish them...who become the targets of death threats...much like those with burning crosses on their lawns).

  33. Profile photo of wateva_x
    wateva_x Female 13-17
    691 posts
    February 18, 2008 at 2:52 am
    you guys have to remember just WHY they are offended. Baalthazaq has already stated the reasons why depictions of muhammed are forbidden in the muslim religion.
    i think its (religion) a load of old sh*t but they should respect their wishes.
    why should they have to stop themselves coming to webpages or block the images when they have as much right to the internet as anyone?
    theres loads of offensive stuff on the internet, thats MEANT to be offensive, and this isnt one of them. they wouldnt knowingly look at offensive content of their prophet would they? wiki is meant to be for everyone. so is the internet.
    i second this:
    "Burning Crucifixes on lawns should not be part of free speech"
  34. Profile photo of wateva_x
    wateva_x Female 13-17
    691 posts
    February 18, 2008 at 2:53 am
    "The other involves the publication of harmless images"

    but are they harmless to those that are seriously offended by them?

  35. Profile photo of manorrd
    manorrd Male 30-39
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    February 18, 2008 at 3:12 am
    ^^Being offended is not "harm" It`s being offended.

  36. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    February 18, 2008 at 3:20 am
    Ah, I see, so burning Crucifixes just off someone`s lawn would be ok? I mean it`s not necessarily a death threat, it`s just letting "them" know their place?

    Similarly, with the cartoon depictions of Mohammed. They were drawn specifically to be offensive. (In some cases, to garner support, certain fanatics drew their own pictures of Mohammed and pretended they were part of the danish cartoons, to ensure offense and support).

    The point is, clear race hate, should not be a part of freedom of information. What is being protested (protesting btw, is freedom of speech), is how accepting people are of Islamophobic images/messages.

    If Washington Post came out with an article "F*cking N*ggers" to "Test African American Tolerance to Freedom of Speech", it would not be tolerated, sales would go down, boycotts would ensue, advertisers would pull out.

    Not the case when they`re Sand N*ggers huh?

  37. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
    4548 posts
    February 18, 2008 at 3:23 am
    Incidentally, I totally support Wikipedia keeping the pictures up in this case. The Danish cartoons however were another matter.

    Specifically: "Lets be as offensive as possible to test the reaction".

  38. Profile photo of JHSpring26
    JHSpring26 Male 18-29
    492 posts
    February 18, 2008 at 3:36 am
    Okay, I don`t get it. Then again I`m an Atheist Heathen! :Shrug:
  39. Profile photo of Declan191919
    Declan191919 Male 13-17
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    February 18, 2008 at 3:44 am
    Family Guy right AGAIN
  40. Profile photo of currybandit
    currybandit Male 18-29
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    February 18, 2008 at 4:04 am
    dibens u legend

    muslims got pwned

  41. Profile photo of Mani-Jac
    Mani-Jac Male 40-49
    805 posts
    February 18, 2008 at 4:53 am
    @Baalthazaq,

    Those cartoons were not intended to "be as offensive as possible", they could have made them a lot more offensive.

    It was a protest for freedom of speech in Denmark, more and more writers and cartoonist were forced to censor themselves out of fear of radical muslims.

  42. Profile photo of Enimor
    Enimor Male 13-17
    15 posts
    February 18, 2008 at 5:05 am
    Muslim Conservapedia incoming!
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    fluffyhoob Female 18-29
    195 posts
    February 18, 2008 at 5:18 am
    OMG they have a picture of jesus on ther too...who do i complain to????

    honestly its drating stupid aint it, like that woman who called a teddy bear mohammed and got jailed...people were protesting over there for her to be executed >-<

  44. Profile photo of bombsquad505
    bombsquad505 Female 18-29
    322 posts
    February 18, 2008 at 5:30 am
    Okay, it`s not like Wikipedia actually created the images of Muhammad, they are merely posting images that have already been created. So why the big fuss? Sounds to me like some of these people need to put on their big boy underwear and deal with the fact that posting historical drawings on the internet will never be illegal.
  45. Profile photo of bombsquad505
    bombsquad505 Female 18-29
    322 posts
    February 18, 2008 at 5:35 am
    "why should they have to stop themselves coming to webpages or block the images when they have as much right to the internet as anyone?"

    So if I`m offended by porn, do I have the right to demand that all porn be taken off of the internet, despite what anyone else believes? Or should I merely censor what I view? It`s MY responsibility to monitor what I view, not someone else`s. Learn to be self-accountable, people! Just because you`re not enough of an adult to take care of yourself doesn`t mean that the rest of the world should have to babysit you and censor you from images that YOU find offensive.

  46. Profile photo of yellowsquare
    yellowsquare Female 18-29
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    February 18, 2008 at 5:45 am
    It`s their sacred, holy prophet.

    And Wiki`s putting pictures up like it`s their Cousin Billy.

    Seriously. How incredibly obtuse of Wikipedia.

    It`s their religion. It`s not their personal beliefs that are being offended. It`s their religion that`s being s.hit on because Western culture says it`s okay. How freaking arrogant!

  47. Profile photo of zomgimonfire
    zomgimonfire Female 18-29
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    February 18, 2008 at 5:57 am
    good for you wiki!!!

    thank god some people have their wits about them.

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    zomgimonfire Female 18-29
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    February 18, 2008 at 6:01 am
    ROFL to kairobert
  49. Profile photo of engelbert
    engelbert Female 18-29
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    February 18, 2008 at 6:27 am
    As far as I`m willing to tell, these images were created by Muslims. Which leads to the question: why would Muslims protests something which was created by their own religion? Wikipedia is a medium for information, it holds many contraversial and offensive images, all for the purpose of informing and teaching. The images serve the purpose of showing depictions from many centuries ago, and I`m willing to bet that those pictures have been on the website for some time. Why choose now to take offense? This is political correctness gone mad. Everyone is entitled to the right to become offended and to have an opinion, but why does that opinion have to effect everybody else?

    Also, a small note regarding the teddybear case. How comes parents are allowed to name their children Muhammad? Surely that too is giving Muhammad an identity.

  50. Profile photo of teatimecream
    teatimecream Female 60-69
    340 posts
    February 18, 2008 at 6:28 am

    \/ Extremists...die you idiots!
  51. Profile photo of beternal
    beternal Male 18-29
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    February 18, 2008 at 6:29 am
    Ok, not agreeing with either side (safer this way)...

    The bit that gets me is... Why would a Muslim be looking up Muhammad on Wikipedia anyway?! - it`s a bit bad if you don`t know who he is and need to wiki him! :-)

  52. Profile photo of rasputinxxx
    rasputinxxx Male 18-29
    128 posts
    February 18, 2008 at 6:33 am
    the point is
    1. those pictures on wikipedia were created by Muslims not us infidels (kafirs) and they were not in bad taste so muslims should stop bitching about it and get a life

    2.I haven`t seen the Danish cartoon so cant comment about it but there are people who poke fun at anything and everything...its high time muslims start to learn something called tolerance..

    3.also do muslims really think that a stupid cartoon can insult muhammad...unless they themselves believe that he was puny enough to be insulted by a neanderthal cartoon...

    4.and yes family guy nailed it

  53. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
    31799 posts
    February 18, 2008 at 6:38 am
    I am offended by images of the letter "R" please remove this offence to Islam from Wiki.
    kthxboi!
  54. Profile photo of farquaadhnch
    farquaadhnch Male 18-29
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    February 18, 2008 at 6:45 am
    Isn`t it one of the Ten Commandments to not take the Lord`s name in vain? Yet it is part of the adult vernacular, and you don`t here most Christians complaining because they know it is futile.

    I`m not a Muslim, but I will respect their wish not to have images of their prophet created. I try to respect the taboos of other religions.

    However, historical depictions posted on an a website like Wikipedia serve an educational purpose (one of the few reasons why offensive speech will be protected here in the U.S.).

    If you want a lesson on freedom of speech, google Skoki and see what you find.

  55. Profile photo of JGESS
    JGESS Male 18-29
    433 posts
    February 18, 2008 at 6:49 am
    what it says now...

    This page is currently protected from editing until disputes have been resolved.
    Protection is not an endorsement of the current version (protection log). Please discuss changes on the talk page or request unprotection. You may use {{editprotected}} on the talk page to ask for an administrator to make an edit for you.

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    farquaadhnch Male 18-29
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    February 18, 2008 at 6:51 am
    It left off the e in Skokie. I was reffering to Skokie, Illinois, where the largest population of Nazi concentration camp survivors in the U.S. have taken root. A neo-nazi group planned to march through the streets in uniform while goosestepping.

    The Supreme Court of the U.S. held that they have the right to even though they would be offending everyone in the country.

    The nazis didn`t march through Skokie because they knew what would happen to them if they did. I wish they had tried.

  57. Profile photo of mikallang
    mikallang Male 18-29
    611 posts
    February 18, 2008 at 6:53 am
    ive had a petition going against that petition for a while now. need help getting the numbers up though. you are welcome to sign it and it would be appreciated :) sign here
  58. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
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    February 18, 2008 at 6:57 am
    Baalthazac - I`m assuming you`re in agreement that "uncovered meat" deserves to be raped? And that Sharia Law must be imposed on non-muslims so as not to offend Muslims? Because that is EXACTLY what you`re saying, it is under Sharia law that these `people` call for the banning of the pictures.
    Yellowsquare - you make no sense whatsoever. Please do not post without a male relative or your husband`s permission. :p You`re offending Baalzy-boy.
  59. Profile photo of Maelstrom_x
    Maelstrom_x Male 18-29
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    February 18, 2008 at 7:07 am
    You can`t have every picture you deem inappropriate or wrong taken down. Now, if the pictures were intending to be offensive, then you`d have a case.

    "It`s not their personal beliefs that are being offended. It`s their religion that`s being s.hit on because Western culture says it`s okay."

    BAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWW! Western culture won`t bend over backwards for me!

    Does that mean we need to ban peanut butter because *some* people are allergic to peanut butter? Does that mean we have to stop using pesticides because someone might care about disease-harboring pests? Does that mean we should shut down all forms of the press because someone might print a curse word in an article and offend people? Does that mean no one can win an election unless they have 100% of the vote because it might offend someone that their candidate didn`t win?

    F*ck "obtuse", you are just f*cking retarded.

  60. Profile photo of lovemeowmix
    lovemeowmix Female 18-29
    105 posts
    February 18, 2008 at 7:10 am
    Mstofyou people severly dissapoint me...MUSLIMS ARE NOT TERRORISTS!!! I mean, come on and get real! The suicide bombers are no different than the Neo Nazis, th KKK, and the like. And did you kno that any of them profess a belief in God (as in Christianity), and even celebrate Christmas? Well, no, that is okay, b/c they are not Muslims? BS! That means all you Christian people must be racist, and quite possibly murderers...
  61. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
    31799 posts
    February 18, 2008 at 7:22 am
    ^^lovemeowmix - you make less sense than Yellowsquare did. You also used 3 "R" images and now must be stoned (in that bad way)
    ..As for what you`re attempting to say, you`re still wrong. Mainstream Muslims believe all non-muslims MUST convert, or be killed.
  62. Profile photo of DuMbHour
    DuMbHour Male 18-29
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    February 18, 2008 at 8:06 am
    Crap, wiki told them where the servers are. Not good.
  63. Profile photo of Shanir
    Shanir Male 30-39
    1074 posts
    February 18, 2008 at 8:07 am
    boohoo cry me a river they want everything in this world dont they get over it stop using your religion as a excuse to moan about every goddamn thing
  64. Profile photo of Ruswut
    Ruswut Male 18-29
    1266 posts
    February 18, 2008 at 8:14 am
    Hmmm if a picture is thousand words, no picture can be shown of muhammad and their holy book probably has more that 1000 words, so lets destroy that huh?
  65. Profile photo of Mani-Jac
    Mani-Jac Male 40-49
    805 posts
    February 18, 2008 at 8:34 am
    All that wining and moaning of muslims is really starting to pis$ me off.

    The only thing I hear about muslims is car bombings, suicide bombings, assassination threats, complaining about cartoons and the lot.

    I never hear anything positive about muslims, ever. And still everybody is surprised that there is an increase in Islamofobia in western society.

    If all this wining and complaining doesn`t stop I`m pretty sure we`ll see a new reconquista.

  66. Profile photo of tp1212
    tp1212 Male 13-17
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    February 18, 2008 at 8:37 am
    1.640.000 image results for googling muhammed,
  67. Profile photo of SKCREW_HOLLY
    SKCREW_HOLLY Male 13-17
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    February 18, 2008 at 8:38 am
    no drat that! if everyone in this world had to follow every f*cking religions guidlines no matter what their belifs are just think of what it would be like. we couldn`t do sh*t. i do not follow the religion of islam so if i so wish to paint a huge portriat of muhammad on the side of my house i wouldn`t f*cking hesitate.

    you believe in something you follow it`s guidlines but don`t f*cking drag the rest of us into your f*cking delusions.

  68. Profile photo of EvilM
    EvilM Male 13-17
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    February 18, 2008 at 9:03 am
    ahh... wikipedia.
    well known for it`s completely unbiased and increadibly accurate articals :-|.
  69. Profile photo of antdow3
    antdow3 Male 18-29
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    February 18, 2008 at 9:03 am
    haha this was submitted by - SAINTpatty

    and wiki said that their servers were based in florida...

  70. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
    4548 posts
    February 18, 2008 at 9:09 am
    "Baalthazac - I`m assuming you`re in agreement that "uncovered meat" deserves to be raped? And that Sharia Law must be imposed on non-muslims so as not to offend Muslims? Because that is EXACTLY what you`re saying, it is under Sharia law that these `people` call for the banning of the pictures."

    1) Read the bit where I say I don`t mind Wiki having the pictures.

    2) The "uncovered meat" comes from one cleric.
    There are several cases of US judges making the same comment, but all of a sudden this is a Muslim problem instead of a jackass problem?

    http://viv.id.au/blog/?p=1212
    http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,219...
    Etc.

    It really does work like this......

  71. Profile photo of keith2
    keith2 Male 18-29
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    February 18, 2008 at 9:12 am
    haha and i have pictures of mohommed wallpapered all throughout my house. take that achmed
  72. Profile photo of Diddie
    Diddie Male 18-29
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    February 18, 2008 at 9:14 am
    The original argument over the danish writer commissioning people to draw cartoons was about free speech. He couldn`t get anyone to illustrate his books on the prophet so tried to produce some satirical cartoons that back fired.. Badly.
    See :- bbc article
    This (wiki) however is not a dig at muslims` sensitivities, rather its their attempt to present the best information possible to its readers...
  73. Profile photo of Dragynwing
    Dragynwing Female 18-29
    130 posts
    February 18, 2008 at 9:15 am
    zealots. can`t live with `em, can`t unbrainwash them.
  74. Profile photo of mashplum
    mashplum Male 30-39
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    February 18, 2008 at 9:25 am
    Wiki is in the right. If non-muslims had to follow muslim law, then we would all be dead, because not being muslim is punishable by death.
  75. Profile photo of gorgack2000
    gorgack2000 Male 13-17
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    February 18, 2008 at 9:27 am
    Wikipedia has a good point on why they shouldn`t remove the images so I support them on this one. Go wikipedia!
  76. Profile photo of GlockPants
    GlockPants Male 18-29
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    February 18, 2008 at 9:29 am
    Is today`s world society really at a point where this should effect everyone? Sure, I understand why this is creating such a big commotion, but should it? I mean no offense to any one when I say this, but is the Islam faith so weak that after many hundreds of years seeing a the face of your sacred prophet lead to idol worship? He was a man, who recieved a message and spread his message. Are you really worried that seeing a face, that looks just like everyone else`s face should create this entire clusterf*ck of people`s opinions that can`t be changed? Get serious, not everyone is Islamic, so why can`t I: a white, male of middle class America see a picture of this guy?
  77. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    February 18, 2008 at 9:31 am
    Incidentally, "I have never heard a positive story about Muslims".

    Positive stories about Americans then? As far as I know you gun down people in schools, and invade sandy countries.

    What positive news stories do you hear about anyone? Here`s Achmed baking a cookie?

    Well what about the third largest charitable donation in history. As well as the United Arab emirates being the first major donator to live aid.

    what about all the work by the red crescent?

    What about the fact that out of 1000 mosques in the gulf surveyed on September 14th, 2001. 996 condemned Sept 11. Guess which 4 got airtime stateside.

    Currently, it`s the middle east that has the worlds biggest building. One of the worlds most multicultural and tolerant cities (Dubai at 88% non-national).

    Jeez, I mean you didn`t hear much good about Jews in Nazi Germany either, guess it was their fault

  78. Profile photo of Mighty-
    Mighty- Male 18-29
    199 posts
    February 18, 2008 at 9:34 am
    i see absolutly nothing wrong with that picture?
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    mashplum Male 30-39
    21 posts
    February 18, 2008 at 9:48 am
    The red crescent is the red cross! The name was changed so the muslims wouldn`t freak out.
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    FIRST_poster Male 18-29
    970 posts
    February 18, 2008 at 9:57 am
    its also "forbidden" to picture god. but there are pics of him, and are cristians complaining?
    parhaps a fev, but F*CK them. :-)
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    Pikachu42 Female 18-29
    1492 posts
    February 18, 2008 at 9:58 am
    so, i`m guessing that on the whole vast internet, that is the only site with pictures of him on there? like, i can`t just go to google images and look him up? cuz yeah, that can`t be the case
  82. Profile photo of audrey10011
    audrey10011 Female 18-29
    60 posts
    February 18, 2008 at 10:00 am
    if they just take the pictures down it`ll all be forgotten within a week
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    Nidonemo Male 18-29
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    February 18, 2008 at 10:06 am
    I`ve always wanted to see his face. I think he was depicted very nicely. I think it is odd how people are upset. Isn`t the main importance what comes from the mouth and not how it looks?
  84. Profile photo of Doomlike
    Doomlike Male 13-17
    416 posts
    February 18, 2008 at 10:12 am
    Wow this is like Wiki flippin` the muslims. Seriously tough those 180.000 people need to get a life and just stop caring about it.
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    Coco_popsrox Female 18-29
    228 posts
    February 18, 2008 at 10:20 am
    good for you wiki, make a stand against the durkas!
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    snottydyck Male 40-49
    695 posts
    February 18, 2008 at 10:28 am
    oh those zany muslims. i`d like to invite them all to a pig roast.
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    donk Male 30-39
    103 posts
    February 18, 2008 at 10:32 am
    Wow can we all just bow down to the wills of the "towel heads, camel jockeys, carpet riders, or whatever we want to call them. I am sick of all the political correctness bull$hit. The town I live in has been all but taken over by these rag heads. They even demanded than their music be played over the PA system in our high school when the kids are entering school in the morning and the school bowed to their demands. They have all but taken over an entire subdivision (about 150 houses out of 200). I have been through this neighborhood and they cook their $hit food in the garage so it does not stink up their houses, which means the other 50 AMERICAN families have to smell that $hit. The men walk through the neighborhood in the morning carrying swords, they call them ceremonial swords and the police won`t do a damn thing about it because they are afraid the rags will sue them. I walk around my neighborhood with a sword and I can be awarded a trip to jail.
  88. Profile photo of Wey_Pooh
    Wey_Pooh Male 18-29
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    February 18, 2008 at 10:36 am
    I saw no picture. Oh well, I can care less. Why don`t those protesters go bomb something.
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    donk Male 30-39
    103 posts
    February 18, 2008 at 10:41 am
    They have taken over every gas station in our town. I will not patronize them, I drive 10 miles north to buy gas. When my daughter graduated there were 10 rags with the same last name Kahr. I told my wife that the emcee was skipping like a record someone need to bump him. They came to America and need to adjust to the American way of life, not expect us to adjust to the rags way of life. I am not a raghead, I am an American. By the way I am half German born to a mother who came to America with my father and I have a German wife who came to this country not speaking a word of English, but she learned and adopted the American way of life, so my kids are 3/4 German. Should I go into school and demand that the school play German music in the morning and serve wienerschnitzel for lunch?
  90. Profile photo of SilverThread
    SilverThread Male 30-39
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    February 18, 2008 at 10:41 am
    We do not negotiate with terrorists.
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    Midas-Method Male 18-29
    46 posts
    February 18, 2008 at 10:50 am
    I`m totally ashamed by the intolerance of many of the previous posts... I would think that centuries of primarily secular culture would have destroyed such hatred.

    I fully support wikipedia posthing this article but to call for the complete destruction of Islam for their opposition to the picture? Isn`t that a bit drastic?

    Yes, Islamic countries need some sort of renaissance and reformation as well as democratic, secular government to really be tolerant but if this online sanctuary for hate is any indication, people are just arseholes in the first place and there`s nothing to be done to change that.

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    Windrider15 Male 13-17
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    February 18, 2008 at 10:59 am
    2 lil words,

    WHO CARES!?!?!?!?

    i mean seriously noone in there right mind really cares about those terrorist POS MOFO that think they are saving the world by killing everyone in it

    (sorry, thats my dad`s racist skillz coming out of me)

    </rant>

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    mjrtom Male 18-29
    83 posts
    February 18, 2008 at 11:05 am
    nobody knows what the dude looked like, but then again, nobody knows what Jesus looked like. yet, it cant be too hard to figure out what they could`ve looked like taking into consideration the circumstances.

    people go about the wrong things these days.

  94. Profile photo of VONLINE
    VONLINE Male 18-29
    578 posts
    February 18, 2008 at 11:22 am
    People need to chill the f*ck out.

    Not all muslims are crazy, suicide-bombing extremists.
    Not all christians are hate spreading Bible thumping zealots.
    Not all atheists are religion-belittling, arrogant elitest assh*les.

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    LemonTarte Female 18-29
    1441 posts
    February 18, 2008 at 11:27 am
    Good on you Wikipedia!
  96. Profile photo of yellowsquare
    yellowsquare Female 18-29
    1545 posts
    February 18, 2008 at 11:28 am
    F*ck "obtuse", you are just f*cking retarded.

    Wow Maelstrom, in that tiny little sentence you just explained the mindest of an entire nation. Which is incredibly sad.

    If Muslims had written the English Wikipedia page, there WOULD be no picture of Mohammed.
    Since non-Muslims DID write it, there IS a picture and it`s in COMPLETE disregard of their culture and way of life.

    I`m not saying everything should be banned. And in no way should we follow all religions. But no one goes around drawing pictures of Jesus f*cking women, do they? No. Because it`s sacreligious. Drawing pictures of Mohammed is sacreligious and disrespectful.

  97. Profile photo of T3h-Wraith
    T3h-Wraith Male 13-17
    645 posts
    February 18, 2008 at 11:31 am
    Okay, So if someone photoshopped Wilfred Brimley in the picture, Would it still be considered realistic?
  98. Profile photo of aBISS
    aBISS Male 13-17
    506 posts
    February 18, 2008 at 11:35 am
    Muslims need a friggin reality check.
    Muhammed is burning in hell right now, and his followers will too..
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    yellowsquare Female 18-29
    1545 posts
    February 18, 2008 at 11:38 am
    It`s okay though. Because the word `sacred` means nothing to Americans anymore.

    It`s not even about politically correctness. It`s about understanding and compassion.

  100. Profile photo of Saturnia107
    Saturnia107 Female 18-29
    367 posts
    February 18, 2008 at 11:44 am
    "People need to chill the f*ck out.
    Not all muslims are crazy, suicide-bombing extremists.
    Not all christians are hate spreading Bible thumping zealots.
    Not all atheists are religion-belittling, arrogant elitest assh*les."

    We need more people like Vonline in this world....

  101. Profile photo of WolfStar
    WolfStar Female 18-29
    455 posts
    February 18, 2008 at 11:54 am
    Bloody hell, it`s not like Wiki drew the pictures. They`re showing some, frankly quite beautiful, 14th century art created <i>by</i> Muslims. Surely there`s a difference.
    Find some freaking common sense fanatics...
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    BrainBits Male 30-39
    445 posts
    February 18, 2008 at 12:06 pm

    Yep.

  103. Profile photo of TGPZarquon
    TGPZarquon Male 30-39
    166 posts
    February 18, 2008 at 12:10 pm
    Reminds me of the great South Park episode "Cartoon Wars" where they showed how two faced the media is when it comes to "respect" for religion. (Comedy Central allowed an animation of Jesus pooting all over the place, but refused to show an image of Muhammad.) Go Wikipedia!
  104. Profile photo of TGPZarquon
    TGPZarquon Male 30-39
    166 posts
    February 18, 2008 at 12:10 pm
    Wait, I didn`t say "pooting"...
  105. Profile photo of Woot45
    Woot45 Female 13-17
    1398 posts
    February 18, 2008 at 12:28 pm
    It`s called Freedom of the Press, and if they don`t have that over there in Islam, then they can keep their bitching to their own nation.
  106. Profile photo of cookii
    cookii Female 18-29
    1299 posts
    February 18, 2008 at 12:31 pm
    im muslim, but i thought wikipedia had a fair reason for keeping them, especially if they were demanding rather than asking nicely, until i read this:

    "They won`t remove Muhammad but they`ll remove every reference to encyclopedia dramatica and every reference to mudkip on the pokemon article."

  107. Profile photo of Nidonemo
    Nidonemo Male 18-29
    9311 posts
    February 18, 2008 at 12:31 pm
    To add to TGPZarquon:

    The Super Best Friends episode showed Muhammad, AND they gave him fire powers. It was aired on July 4th in 2001.

    Now the first episode of the Cartoon Wars ran in April of 2006.

    I feel something doesn`t match up. What happened between those two time periods?

  108. Profile photo of LunarLizard
    LunarLizard Female 18-29
    25 posts
    February 18, 2008 at 12:31 pm
    As part of a class, I`ve been to Catholic churches, Protestant churches, Synagogues, Buddhist temples, Sikh temples, and Mosques. I was welcomed, learned their ways, and joined in their rituals. What did I discover? All religions follow the same rules under one title: humanity. Do not kill, do not lie, do not cheat, treat others as you would like to be treated, etc. This is true religion, in all its forms. Unfortunately, some decide to twist the words, or shallowly follow them. The main religions came out a long time ago, during war times, tribal times, desperate times. Some of the religious rules set were specific for the way people felt and acted back then. Times have changed. Many know that religion is not what we wear, what we have on our wall, or who we hang out with. It is the way we think, we act, and tolerance. All religions have open-minded people like this. Yet all the media focuses on is the backward thinking of the uneducated few. I guess because they`re the loudest.
  109. Profile photo of cookii
    cookii Female 18-29
    1299 posts
    February 18, 2008 at 12:33 pm
    oh, and also until i saw that brainbits
  110. Profile photo of LunarLizard
    LunarLizard Female 18-29
    25 posts
    February 18, 2008 at 12:37 pm
    As for the issue, I`m on the fence. The article concerns Islam. In Islam, rendering the Prophet is frowned upon. It would seem that this fact should be incorporated in the article. Yet those two paintings are historical. We cannot erase a part of history to appease what is considered correct now. Maybe Wiki can link the paintings, and those who are intersted can just click.
  111. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
    31799 posts
    February 18, 2008 at 12:49 pm
    Yellowsquare - I`m glad your posts now make more sense, but you still have it all wrong: <quote>But no one goes around drawing pictures of Jesus f*cking women, do they?</quote>
    ..yes they do, and images of a crucifix in pee, and Blessed Virgin Mary made out of sh*t, the list is endless. No one has been killed over it have they?
    ..But a Danish guy makes a movie? He`s murdered. The clerics who called for his murder are still in power. You connect the dots, sport.
    ..Also the continued use of the forbidden "R" has caused my people to Jihad all yo assets.
  112. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
    31799 posts
    February 18, 2008 at 12:54 pm
    LunarLizard, that would make sense if these were sensable people (not ALL Muslims Baalzy! like you don`t know that) BUT these fanatics also think any picture of any person OR ANIMAL is an affront to Allah. So today it`s Muhammed, tomorrow it`s porn, Wednesday it`s any image of any person... see the trend? And once you start it`ll never stop. True but sad.
  113. Profile photo of Mani-Jac
    Mani-Jac Male 40-49
    805 posts
    February 18, 2008 at 12:58 pm
    "One of the worlds most multicultural and tolerant cities (Dubai at 88% non-national)

    Tolerant?

    Tell that to all the indian construction workers that build those buildings.

    I have been to the UAE may times and you can`t tell me that they treat the indian at the same level as emirati.

    wiki:

    "The government (UAE) restricts freedom of speech and freedom of the press, and the media avoids directly criticizing the government and censors its own news stories. Freedom of association, and freedom of religion are also curtailed.

    The UAE has not signed most international human rights and labor rights treaties, including the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, the International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights, the Convention on the Protection of the Rights of All Migrant Workers and Members of Their Families, and the Convention against Torture."

  114. Profile photo of Mani-Jac
    Mani-Jac Male 40-49
    805 posts
    February 18, 2008 at 1:03 pm
    Oh yeah, the united arab emirates are really tolerant:

    wiki:

    "Homosexual acts are considered illegal and are punishable with the death penalty."

  115. Profile photo of sporka
    sporka Female 18-29
    818 posts
    February 18, 2008 at 1:05 pm
    It`s Wikipedia.
    Can`t the Muslims who are complaining remove it themselves?
  116. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
    31799 posts
    February 18, 2008 at 1:08 pm
    No sporka, it`s been "locked".
    But the point is, should one group (not government or courts of course) forbid the lawful actions of any other?
    ..Now y`all must stop your intolerance and cease using the forbidden "R"
  117. Profile photo of Trexa
    Trexa Female 18-29
    283 posts
    February 18, 2008 at 1:14 pm
    Can`t ANYONE edit wikipedia? I thought so, unless the article is locked.
  118. Profile photo of Muser
    Muser Male 18-29
    54 posts
    February 18, 2008 at 1:19 pm
    I completely support wikipedia here. I don`t have a problem with the muslim faith but a lot of idiots are hiding behind its name to demand everyone changes to their beliefs and anyone who doesn`t deserves to die.
  119. Profile photo of Fwoggie2
    Fwoggie2 Male 30-39
    1803 posts
    February 18, 2008 at 1:34 pm
    What we need is a Halal browser that will automatically block out any images of Mohamed. Problem solved.
  120. Profile photo of Fwoggie2
    Fwoggie2 Male 30-39
    1803 posts
    February 18, 2008 at 1:38 pm
    What we need is a Halal browser that will automatically block out any images of Mohamed. Problem solved.
  121. Profile photo of aaserali
    aaserali Male 13-17
    2 posts
    February 18, 2008 at 1:44 pm
    This is obviously not the place to petition for the pics to be taken off. I understand their reason for not taking the pics off, but is it that hard to have some respect for other people. I mean come on, you learned to respect before kindergarten. It would take the 10 secs to delete the pics.And isn`t the point of Wikipedia to have a crapload of TRUE information? The free encyclopedia that ANYONE can edit? As Baalthazaq said, no one knows what he really looked like so it cant be a correct drawing. It just looks like and Arabic man. F.Y.I I am Muslim.
  122. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
    31799 posts
    February 18, 2008 at 1:53 pm
    Dear aaserali: Please stop all use of the forbidden "R". Can`t you be more respectful?
  123. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
    31799 posts
    February 18, 2008 at 1:54 pm
    Drat! aaserali`s comment is on page 5 !!
  124. Profile photo of ladynerd
    ladynerd Female 18-29
    252 posts
    February 18, 2008 at 2:03 pm
    Stay strong wiki
  125. Profile photo of mashplum
    mashplum Male 30-39
    21 posts
    February 18, 2008 at 2:13 pm
    Yellowsquare, you are so naive.
    Wikipedia has Jesus in a jar of piss. The mohammed pics are at least tasteful.
  126. Profile photo of minjofu
    minjofu Female 18-29
    360 posts
    February 18, 2008 at 2:14 pm
    Can someone please answer this question for me.. Was the depiciton of Muhammad always offensive in Islam, or is that a relatively recent thing? Obvioiusly those pictures were drawn/painted by someone who was interested in the religion enough to try to capture the "spirit" of it`s focus prophet.. They put care and consideration into his placement, and the manner in which he was dressed, so obviously those paintings were not created to mock him...

    Personally, I understand that it is offensive, and I can comprehend the reasons given - however I`m a christian and I`ve seen many blue-eyed silky haired Jesus paintings, but never found myself offended by that.. I just shake my head and laugh it off.. Funny thing is Jesus would have looked more like Muhammad than what he`s depicted as..

  127. Profile photo of minjofu
    minjofu Female 18-29
    360 posts
    February 18, 2008 at 2:18 pm
    One more thing.. you know Prince likes to be identified by symbols as well.. o:-)

  128. Profile photo of mashplum
    mashplum Male 30-39
    21 posts
    February 18, 2008 at 2:19 pm
    Can muslim men and boys named Muhammed get their pictures taken? Should Muhammad Ali`s pic be banned too?
  129. Profile photo of ImNoGod
    ImNoGod Male 18-29
    1149 posts
    February 18, 2008 at 2:26 pm
    Go wiki!
  130. Profile photo of Camira
    Camira Male 18-29
    646 posts
    February 18, 2008 at 2:32 pm
    Religion fricking pisses me off!
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    JazzyPiano Female 18-29
    995 posts
    February 18, 2008 at 2:41 pm
    Hopefully some settlement will be mad soon...just watch wikipedia get sued or attempted to get deleted because of this.
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    JazzyPiano Female 18-29
    995 posts
    February 18, 2008 at 2:42 pm
    oops, *made
  133. Profile photo of Monsdurr
    Monsdurr Male 13-17
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    February 18, 2008 at 3:10 pm
    http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e185/P...

    Kekeke ^_____^

  134. Profile photo of Fwoggie2
    Fwoggie2 Male 30-39
    1803 posts
    February 18, 2008 at 3:31 pm
    JazzyPiano, unlikely. Extremist Muslims will probably try and bomb the server farm instead, whilst the other 99.99% of Muslims who are normal moderate Muslims will either find it offensive but do nothing, or else not find it offensive at all (like all my Muslim friends).
  135. Profile photo of lovemeowmix
    lovemeowmix Female 18-29
    105 posts
    February 18, 2008 at 3:33 pm
    5Cats-I have had the pleaure of having Muslim friends before...and guess what...I am not dead.
  136. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
    31799 posts
    February 18, 2008 at 4:14 pm
    lovemeowmix - Well, did you draw a picture of Mohammed? Did you write a book with the names of his wives in it? Did you attempt to convert them to any other religion? See, those are Fatwa offences, punishable by death. Not just for fellow Muslims, but anyone who commits these offences. That`s what got the film maker killed.
    ..Having Muslim friends, here in North America at least, is fine. Offending them in any way? Less than fine. Again, for the "hard of thinking" I mean those Muslims who embrace or support (or remain silent on) extremist views, not every last individual, eh?
  137. Profile photo of thunder86
    thunder86 Male 18-29
    189 posts
    February 18, 2008 at 4:19 pm
    You know what? I am a muslim and I`ve been reading the comments posted here and you know what I see? Ignorant people mocking the religion of Islam and appearing as inconsiderate and intolerant of the religion Islam, and the muslims here while outnumbered and being talked crap to, still post in a tolerant way. Please pay attention and think for your self.
  138. Profile photo of thunder86
    thunder86 Male 18-29
    189 posts
    February 18, 2008 at 4:24 pm
    I am proud that us muslims still adore our prophet in a manner that fits a great man (peace be upon him). Us muslims believe in all the prophets mentioned in the bible and torah but we differ in believing God is one and he sent the final prophet Mohammed as a confirmation of the older religions Judaism and Christianity. I will mention two experiences I went through where I found that ignorance was the reason for the intolerance.
  139. Profile photo of Aphecks
    Aphecks Male 18-29
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    February 18, 2008 at 4:24 pm
    Jihad on Wikipedia!
  140. Profile photo of thunder86
    thunder86 Male 18-29
    189 posts
    February 18, 2008 at 4:32 pm
    One: I was in my english class 1101 in college, and we were covering "Art as a Language" and we were looking at images that are portrayed as art. I was baffled when we turned to a section where they had the prophet Jesus (as you see him "Chrisitains") in a bottle of piss. I looked around in my class to see what the reaction was from the christians in class and I was astonished to see that not a single person felt shame or even offended by the image. I myself was so offened even though I know that the man in the image is not jesus because jesus -as someone already stated- more likely looked middle-eastern becuase he was from that region. I raised my hand and told the doctor that I feel offended by this image only because it says "Golden Jesus". After that a couple of students said "yeah we think the same way" I told those students "I am not christian, I am a muslim."
  141. Profile photo of thunder86
    thunder86 Male 18-29
    189 posts
    February 18, 2008 at 4:38 pm
    I explained to them that in our religion we think highly of the prophets of God and it hurts us to see anyone of them depicted in such a derogatory sense. One guy looked at me and said "man you don`t even believe in Jesus" I replied "I could not call myself muslim if I did not believe in Jesus (Eesa in Arabic) and God says that the BELIEVERS who believe in God Almighty and his books (Srciptures of Abraham, David`s Zaboor, the Torah (Moses), the Bible (Jesus), the Quran (Mohammad)) peace be upon them all, and whom also belive in heaven and hell and his angels will enter heaven.
  142. Profile photo of hmwith
    hmwith Female 18-29
    10 posts
    February 18, 2008 at 4:39 pm
    Wikipedia is uncensored. Why would servers based in the US follow the laws of another country? That`s absurd.

    Haha, little, green lemmings signing the petition, no thoughts of their own, single file line...

  143. Profile photo of thunder86
    thunder86 Male 18-29
    189 posts
    February 18, 2008 at 4:43 pm
    I know you are saying "What the heck!!! is this guy preaching on I-A-B?" No I am simply enlightening you to some things you will not see on FOX or your news source.
  144. Profile photo of GolfRocks
    GolfRocks Male 18-29
    151 posts
    February 18, 2008 at 4:49 pm
    its from the MIDDLE AGES christ suck it up and shut the drat up i dont want to hear anyone whine about this stupid drating muslim law. dont look at the pictures, you dont have to
  145. Profile photo of thunder86
    thunder86 Male 18-29
    189 posts
    February 18, 2008 at 4:52 pm
    Also, if anyone seems intrigued about what I said, read the Quran on your own and judge it by your own prospective, do not take my word or the news man`s word for it. You will either hate what is in it and refuse it but you can say you came to your own conlusion, or you will be guided by it. Just don`t expect to see a rainbow and birds flying around you when you read it, just see what your heart says. What harm can formulating your own opinion bring?

    By the way when Jesus spoke to the people not many followed him (peace be upon him) and he and his followers were hurt in the sake of God. Just sit down and think for your self, if not now, then when?

  146. Profile photo of Saturnia107
    Saturnia107 Female 18-29
    367 posts
    February 18, 2008 at 5:40 pm
    We need more people like you, thunder86. People who understand that basically all religions follow one God and the same principles, and they only differ in very slight things, like prophets, etc. Thanks for that story :)
  147. Profile photo of snottydyck
    snottydyck Male 40-49
    695 posts
    February 18, 2008 at 5:50 pm
    islam is the tool of satan. muslims will all burn in hell
  148. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
    31799 posts
    February 18, 2008 at 6:06 pm
    thunder86, you mistake "university" for real-life. 90% of people in "the ivory tower" are anti-religion, anti-free speech (except their "liberal dogma") and FOR many things Muslims MUST reject. Like open homosexuality, sex outside of marriage, women`s rights, equality for all, teaching that God is dead. You know, the "little things" Saturnia mentions.
    ..Secondly, you fail to explain why the highest powers inside Islam FAIL to speak against terrorism, Jihad, "honor killings," the killing of homosexuals by the governments of all Arabic countries. Until the highest powers WITHIN Islam stand clearly for peace (Darfur, Gaza) justice (teddy bear death sentences) and freedom (4 wives, human slavery, Sharia "laws") how can those outside it believe a word it says?
  149. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
    31799 posts
    February 18, 2008 at 6:47 pm
    Anyhow, I give up! lolz!
    Until someone explains how Sharia laws can be enforced on both Muslims AND non-muslims OUTSIDE of Muslim countries? Forget all the "religion of peace" crap and look at bitter reality.
    ..And before someone whines "Christians are just as baaaaad" let me say this: I can match atrocity with atrocity vis-a-vis C/M religions. The difference? Almost every Christian atrocity happened over 300 years ago. Muslims? Just like they were for the past 1000 years.
  150. Profile photo of thunder86
    thunder86 Male 18-29
    189 posts
    February 18, 2008 at 7:22 pm
    First, Saturnia107, thanks and I hope that you leave no stone unturned and that you teach yourself with what power God has given you. I hope you make your own judgement on us muslims not through the news that reports us as anti-American or whatever. I was born in Indianapolis and I knew my parents were muslim but I knew nothing about Islam, as a matter of fact my parents allowed me to play with my friends on easter, paint eggs and all that stuff that christians do. I grew fond of those things when I was young, we were kids and I loved hanging out with my friends. Later, we had to move to the middle east and truth is I did not know what to expect because of how horrid people at my school made it sound. I was 10 years old at that time. At first, I wanted to come back because I missed my friends and my teachers McDonalds...
  151. Profile photo of thunder86
    thunder86 Male 18-29
    189 posts
    February 18, 2008 at 7:29 pm
    Anyways, I am happy my life took that turn because my mind had not been fed with all this crap nowadays that makes people throw off judgements before exploring the issue or topic. I learned about Islam from good scholars who actually showed me the true meaning of Islam which gave women and men equal rights, prohibitted the killings of the innocent, declared self defense when oppressed, affirmed the previous prophets such as Moses and Jesus etc...
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    imcoolyeah Male 13-17
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    February 18, 2008 at 7:38 pm
    Fight the power! oogdieee booogadieee
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    thunder86 Male 18-29
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    February 18, 2008 at 7:40 pm
    Let me expand on that last note because it had a major impact on me when choosing Islam as Religion and a way of life and conduct, afterall, religion is conduct. The last point I mentioned was how Islam confirmed the previous prophets Noah, Abraham, Lot, David, Solomon, Moses, Jesus etc... peace be upon them all (we as muslims have to say peace be upon the prophets when we mention their names as means of respect and honor) Now I definately did not want to follow a religion that involved one prophet who came some 1400 wears ago (Mohammad peace be upon him) the reason being was that I knew if there was a God he must have spoken to his creation long before that. And so my journey began and I took the matter with an open mind. After studying Islam for some time, I declared myself as a muslim who believes in one God (Allah, which basically means God in Arabic, Christians in the middle east call God "Allah") because it answered my question about the Christians, Jews, Muslims, Buddh
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    thunder86 Male 18-29
    189 posts
    February 18, 2008 at 7:52 pm
    ^^ it tells us that all those men were prophets and were sent by God because us people need guidance and a means by which we abide, or else we have some idiot saying that pedophilia is ok because it can be logically debated-and no I am not labeling any atheist by my reference here- but that is why I knew a law was needed to keep people on good conduct, I mean think about it, if it were not for your parents prohbiting you from drinking alcohol while you were young you might have drank alcohol and became addicted to it, or what if your parents did not put guidelines on what was appropriate conduct you would try to take someone`s hard earned money because it was a smart capitalistic move, erc... these things and more matters can be solved easy if there was a supreme law that answers them all, and like good should be praised, bad should be punished (no 5Cats, no beheadings involved) if you don`t spank your child lightly does he/she stop screaming at the mall, etc...
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    thunder86 Male 18-29
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    February 18, 2008 at 7:54 pm
    and by "supreme law" I mean from God.
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    minjofu Female 18-29
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    February 18, 2008 at 8:27 pm
    thunder86, I`ve really enjoyed reading your posts. They`ve been considerate, and insightful, and I saw nothing but love and good intentions.. I think you really illustrate the idea that we shouldn`t judge a group of people as a whole because of the actions of a few. If no one else will say it, I will.. Thanks for sharing your story, and for doing your best to try to spread peace and tolerance.. It has to happen on the individual level before it happens on the grand scale.. God Bless
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    donk Male 30-39
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    February 18, 2008 at 8:28 pm
    A Muslim with a WTF avatar....now that is f*cking funny...preach to us some more thunder86.
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    minjofu Female 18-29
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    February 18, 2008 at 8:33 pm
    ^^ oh yeah, I forgot to mention this.. Don`t let people`s B.S make you feel like you can`t speak your mind here.. This place is ripe with faux intellectuals who will try to make you feel stupid.. Keep this in mind.. Drowning people tend to panic and pull other people down in an attempt to keep their own head above water.. They don`t realise they`re doing it..
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    minjofu Female 18-29
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    February 18, 2008 at 8:43 pm
    One more thing, in my opinion a truly "enlightened" and "intelligent" person who wishes to persuade people that they truly know what they`re talking about should spend more time building up their cause, than tearing down someone else`s.. You`re right? Prove it by demonstrating the "rightness" of your philosophy/beliefs, instead of attempting to destroy someone else`s.. Telling someone "you`re an idiot, and this is why.." isn`t going to bring anyone onto your side..
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    thunder86 Male 18-29
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    February 18, 2008 at 9:37 pm
    Thank you minjofu, and I am actually going to tell you that I saw someone use "what the farmer" a lot on IAB and I can only remember that his/her logo was a sheep (yeah go figure huh) and it made me laugh so I decided: hey what if someone who heard of that reads WTF = what the farmer instead of the obscene counter, pardon my sense of humor.
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    thunder86 Male 18-29
    189 posts
    February 18, 2008 at 9:48 pm
    donk, I was truly going reply to you but I reread your earlier posts on this particular topic and I really did not want to offend you because it seems you already hate me and you don`t even know me. But still the prophet Mohammad had a jewish neighbor who used to put trash in front of his doorstp everyday, and one day the prophet (peace be upon him) walked outside and saw that there was no trash on his dorr step so he went to check on his neighbor when he walked in on the man, he saw him in his bed ill. The man asked what brought the prophet to his home the prophet replied "The Prophet said: “I did not find what you usually leave at my door so I thought you may be ill and I therefore came to visit you.” The Jewish neighbor asked, “Does your religion teach you to do that, O Muhammad?” “In fact, more than that,” replied the Prophet. The Jewish neighbor went silent for a while, then said; “I bear witness that I believe in Allah and I bear wit
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    thunder86 Male 18-29
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    February 18, 2008 at 9:54 pm
    -tness that Mohammad is the prophet of Allah"
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    thunder86 Male 18-29
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    February 18, 2008 at 9:54 pm
    So, this is the mentality I will use with you donk (my e-neighbor, forgive the lame pun) because I know the prophet Mohammad and I see him in a way you do not see him, yet.
    note: I use yet because I like to keep hopeful :)
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    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    February 18, 2008 at 10:07 pm
    BZZZZZT Cat 5. Out of 1000 mosques, 996 spoke out against terrorism. That`s mainstream.

    There are plenty of books listing Mohammed`s wives.

    Everything you`re saying is taking something one person said and assuming that`s mainstream, bottom line is it`s not.

    Otherwise that one judge in Philidelphia can be used to say Americans are rapists, actively encourage rape, etc.

    As for Racism in the UAE: My CEO is Indian, and I`m a local. In fact my supervisor is Indian too, and I`m a local.

    The problem in the UAE is poor-rich. Not intolerance to race/religion. I also happen to have a boss who is openly gay.

    As for finding treaties unratified by the UAE, there are plenty of treaties that few countries sign. The states being one of the worst offenders in that regard. Usually because of some rider that the country finds unacceptable, or puts an impossible task on them. (Fix entire police force in 2 weeks or face fines).

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    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    February 18, 2008 at 10:17 pm
    In other words something in the treaty might be good (Fix corruption in police force/ fix labour laws), might be something we`re already doing (When it was discovered there was mishandling of evidence the prosecutor was fired and replaced in a recent rape case, companies not paying their workers are being fined + named/shamed, labour laws coming, etc), but the treaty may contain a timeframe that we can`t expect to meet, or a target. (Drop corruption to 0 cases, ever, and do it by tomorrow).

    Either that or the UAE is not willing to meet the budgetary demands in the treaty.

    It`s rare that the reason for not signing a treaty is a moral one, although that can be the case. (Demand for abortion at all stages of pregnancy, rather than the 12-16 week limit in most of Europe or the 24 week limit of the US is one example of something that may cause an otherwise acceptable treaty on women`s rights to fail).

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    Adrift_Angel Female 18-29
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    February 18, 2008 at 10:22 pm
    Why are they all so upset??
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    minjofu Female 18-29
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    February 18, 2008 at 10:25 pm
    See.. this kind of thing is precisely why a chatroom would work out really well.. or at least a forum format.. I know I`d have a blast, and it`d be cool to be surrounded by ideas that make you think.. Mindless entertainment is great.. but this interaction between members brings this to a whole new level..
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    minjofu Female 18-29
    360 posts
    February 18, 2008 at 10:34 pm
    thunder86.. See, I hadn`t heard that story.. Everything I hear about Islam has been on the negative side.. Like I said, I understand that muslims find displaying their prophet offensive, and now to a degree I understand why.. It`s gone from a frustrated confusion (the "what the hell is their problem??" philosophy), to an acceptance and appreciation for the respect you show your prophets. I believe you do what you do out of love, and devotion to something greater than yourself. That`s pretty cool.. You can always tell a trully spiritual and faithful person by their subtle demonstrations of humility..
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    BigBonny Male 18-29
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    February 18, 2008 at 11:06 pm
    It shows old pics of him made by Muslims, and newer ones where his face is masked, I think thats fair, not everyone else has to stick to the laws of THEIR religion.
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    Dooked Male 18-29
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    February 19, 2008 at 4:57 am
    Haha! Wikipedia can´t get bombed! Or, can it?
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    Fojos Male 18-29
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    February 19, 2008 at 7:31 am
    Muslims need to start thinking, they say they`re not for violence, but when someone makes a cartoon including Muhammad, they kill people. Ridiculous.
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    5577 Male 13-17
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    February 19, 2008 at 9:10 am
    Muslims, always got something to complain about.
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    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    February 19, 2008 at 9:27 am
    Fojos:

    1) Of the 139 dead, almost all were Muslim protesters shot for protesting in places where they were practicing freedom of speech. *Looks at everyone who has yelled for freedom of speech no matter what*

    2)"They"? Really? The 1.2 Billion people with at least 2 major denominations and at least a dozen minor denominations do different things? I can`t explain it...

    "Europeans" are all peace this and peace that, but then "They" vote for the Nazi party?

    "Americans" are all republican this and democrat that but then "they" vote for Ralph Nader?

    What? It`s stupid to say "They" when it`s 1%? Then WTF are you doing it for under 0.1% for?

    What`s hard to understand about a group of people taking up 1/5th of the planet, and not sharing an identical world view on every issue?

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    donk Male 30-39
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    February 19, 2008 at 11:31 am
    Thunder...I never said that I hated anyone. My issue is that ever since September 11th, Indians, Muslims and other people of Arabic decent have all but invaded this country and they are expecting to be treated special. Expecting us to adapt to their way of life. I have the same issue with Mexican people also. Why do I have to see menus in Spanish, listen to an automated message that says "para español marca número dos" or watch Dora the Explorer teach my kids spanish? People who move to this country should not expect special treatment, they should have to follow the same rules and laws as everyone else. Don`t come into our schools and expect them to cater to your whim. About 15 years ago I was a manager of a pizza store and I had an employee who was Muslim and I made exceptions for him to pray during his prayer time. I was told by my Corp office that I could not do that and I fought them on it because of his beliefs and I won. He also did not want to touch
  175. Profile photo of donk
    donk Male 30-39
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    February 19, 2008 at 11:31 am
    products on it and I would allow him not to make pizza with pork on it and I showed him a way to hand the pizza to the customer without him having to touch it...I took heat for that one too. The difference was that he did not demand for me to adjust to him. He told me his concerns when I hired him and we worked to adapt to them. If you knew me you would see that I am probably the most laid back person that you would ever meet. I just believe that if you are move to America don`t expect special treatment. Like I said earlier I am sick and tired of all the PC bull$hit. Don`t do that you might offend the Mexicans, don`t say that you might offend the Muslims.
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    donk Male 30-39
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    February 19, 2008 at 11:31 am
    The Wiki article listed the picture of the prophet because it was discussion that Muslims don`t use pictures of him, during one short time in history the did but without a face and during an even shorter time they used pictures with a face. I was not attacking the Muslim religion, I was commenting about how they have taken over our town expecting everyone to change to suit them. If someone wants to worship their living room curtains that is their business, but don`t expect me to change mine because you deem mine offensive...
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    insaneee Female 13-17
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    February 19, 2008 at 2:09 pm
    ._.
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    thunder86 Male 18-29
    189 posts
    February 19, 2008 at 2:24 pm
    donk... that was not too hard, was it? your first few comments really were not encouraging for me to comment to you, but the ones you just posted are all too well for me to say otherwise. I would like to say that I myslef am American and I just had the opportunity to see and live the viewpoints of others and that things are not always what they seem. Like I mentioned before I was literally afraid to move to the middle east when I was 10 because of what my friends and teachers described the area to be. They told me it was not even safe to walk in the streets and that you could get killed by tribes men and so forth... I was surprised by seeing the complete opposite, and so I would like to say that I was in your position some time ago but I had an opportunity to test what my friends and teachers had to say.
  179. Profile photo of thunder86
    thunder86 Male 18-29
    189 posts
    February 19, 2008 at 2:31 pm
    I learned that the only way for me to come to ease with a problem is for me to investigat it myself. And here is another thing I would like to mention, when I was in the middle east a number of people called us the Americans and that we should go back home, these were people I went to class with and some were teachers that treated me differently, but my God and my mother kept us strong and so I was able to see through that and love those who loved me for who I am and encourage the others to be friendly and tolerant. So, there you have it a little chapter in my being that I am thankful for because it helped me formulate my philosophy about life. I was at one point not welcomed by a small number of people in a very small town in the middle east and at another by a small number of people in a very small town in the USA. So, tell me donk, can I but smile and be kind so that God sees I can withstand in his sake what he wills?
  180. Profile photo of thunder86
    thunder86 Male 18-29
    189 posts
    February 19, 2008 at 2:52 pm
    minjofu, sometimes a couple of words say it all, yes?
    So,
    Thank You.

    I know we may seem in small numbers (the likes of you and I) but we are not there is a whole bunch of us and hey what would this world be if we did not taste the sweet and sour -by the way, I love sweet and sour chicken- also us humans are very inquisitive by nature so how could I know that a lemon was sour if I do not taste it or that apple pie is sweet unless I taste it?
    Also, we are all good people in nature and not once have I met a "bad" person without some good qualities. That is why bad character is a mere shadow of the good being and it should remain like that grounded and never praised (a little of my philosohpy if you will :) )

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    donk Male 30-39
    103 posts
    February 19, 2008 at 3:40 pm
    Here are some interesting information about Islam

    Ayatollah Khomeini of Iran.

    "A man can marry a girl younger than nine years of age, even if the girl is still a baby being breastfed. A man, however is prohibited from having intercourse with a girl younger than nine, other sexual acts such as foreplay, rubbing, kissing and sodomy is allowed. A man having intercourse with a girl younger than nine years of age has not committed a crime, but only an infraction, if the girl is not permanently damaged. If the girl, however, is permanently damaged, the man must provide for her all her life. But this girl will not count as one of the man`s four permanent wives. He also is not permitted to marry the girl`s sister."

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    donk Male 30-39
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    February 19, 2008 at 3:41 pm
    Hmmm...all about Mohammed
  183. Profile photo of donk
    donk Male 30-39
    103 posts
    February 19, 2008 at 3:42 pm
    The truth about Islam
  184. Profile photo of donk
    donk Male 30-39
    103 posts
    February 19, 2008 at 3:47 pm

    Al Zaqawi was less than impressed with the first of his 72 virgins.

  185. Profile photo of donk
    donk Male 30-39
    103 posts
    February 19, 2008 at 3:56 pm
    Killing of Non-Muslims is Legitimate (British Mullah)
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    hehehenerd Male 13-17
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    February 19, 2008 at 3:57 pm
    wierd, we were just learning about hoe u can edit wiki yourself, lol O_o
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    Overmann Male 18-29
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    February 19, 2008 at 7:47 pm
    Baalthazaq, your rant doesn`t contain any legitimate points worth countering and rings of whining. (Presumably) your religion is worthy of the criticism it receives. Those who subscribe to Islam are not correct all the time and it would be comforting if you acknowledged that once in a while.

    In any case, Muslims who disapprove of illustrations of Muhammad remind me a lot of the natives on Stargate who quickly erased any writing of pictures in sand. A truly ideologically backwards region.

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    Denny2 Male 18-29
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    February 19, 2008 at 8:08 pm
    Moohaammid Who? Wuzant he a boxsor or sumfin`?
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    Overmann Male 18-29
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    February 19, 2008 at 9:05 pm
    *or
  190. Profile photo of thunder86
    thunder86 Male 18-29
    189 posts
    February 20, 2008 at 10:21 am
    Wow donk, you do not surprise me. You are clearly very ignorant and narrow minded. Anyone can simply type "vandalism and mosques" to find similar findings to what you used to label "the truth about Islam" let me put an end to this nonsense, ok. Listen I really don`t care what you think to be honest. If you want to label the 1.3-1.5 billion muslims by some a$$hole who decides to take a leak in a church then I would not be surprised to see an ignorant person like you who says he is a muslim and decides to label the 2.1 billion christians in such a manner that you have just demonstrated because of christians carrying out similar acts of vandalism.
  191. Profile photo of thunder86
    thunder86 Male 18-29
    189 posts
    February 20, 2008 at 10:28 am
    Overmann, what was legitimate about donk`s comments?
    I see you commenting on Baalthazaq`s comments who is obvously using logic and facts to when speaking to Fojos.
    I am just saying that your comment came after donk`s so surely you have read donk` comments, so what do you think about donk`s argument then?
  192. Profile photo of Overmann
    Overmann Male 18-29
    2600 posts
    February 20, 2008 at 4:31 pm
    "Overmann, what was legitimate about donk`s comments?"

    I do not know and I do not care. What does what donk posts have to do with anything I didn`t address in my own post?

    "I see you commenting on Baalthazaq`s comments who is obvously using logic and facts to when speaking to Fojos."

    Obviously? Really? You must see things through a different, skewed lens.

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    slipdigit Male 40-49
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    February 20, 2008 at 7:39 pm
    Moe-hammad can kiss my azz, along with the rest of the moslems.
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    Fojos Male 18-29
    159 posts
    February 20, 2008 at 11:07 pm
    Baal: It might have been 1% of the muslims in total, but it was more than 50% of the muslims in Denmark.
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    nme Male 13-17
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    February 22, 2008 at 10:24 am
    ...ok.....whats the big deal
  196. Profile photo of donk
    donk Male 30-39
    103 posts
    February 23, 2008 at 11:34 am
    Sura (2:191-193) - "And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter ...and fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah."
  197. Profile photo of donk
    donk Male 30-39
    103 posts
    February 23, 2008 at 11:36 am
    Sura (2:244) - "Then fight in the cause of Allah, and know that Allah Heareth and knoweth all things."

    Sura (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not."

    Sura (3:56) - "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help."

    Sura (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority".

    Sura (4:74) - "Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward."

    Sura (4:76) - "Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah…"

  198. Profile photo of donk
    donk Male 30-39
    103 posts
    February 23, 2008 at 11:36 am
    Sura (4:89) - "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks."

    Sura (4:95) - "Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and receive no hurt, and those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah with their goods and their persons. Allah hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than to those who sit (at home). Unto all (in Faith) Hath Allah promised good: But those who strive and fight Hath He distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a special reward,-"

  199. Profile photo of donk
    donk Male 30-39
    103 posts
    February 23, 2008 at 11:37 am
    Sura (4:104) - "And be not weak hearted in pursuit of the enemy; if you suffer pain, then surely they (too) suffer pain as you suffer pain..." Pursuing an injured enemy is not an act of self-defense.

    Sura (5:33) - "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement"

    Sura (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"

  200. Profile photo of donk
    donk Male 30-39
    103 posts
    February 23, 2008 at 11:38 am
    Sura (8:15) - "O ye who believe! When ye meet those who disbelieve in battle, turn not your backs to them. (16)Whoso on that day turneth his back to them, unless maneuvering for battle or intent to join a company, he truly hath incurred wrath from Allah, and his habitation will be hell, a hapless journey`s end."

    Sura (8:39) - "And fight with them until there is no more persecution and religion should be only for Allah"

    Sura (8:57) - "If thou comest on them in the war, deal with them so as to strike fear in those who are behind them, that haply they may remember."

    Sura (8:59-60) - "And let not those who disbelieve suppose that they can outstrip (Allah`s Purpose). Lo! they cannot escape. Make ready for them all thou canst of (armed) force and of horses tethered, that thereby ye may dismay the enemy of Allah and your enemy."

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    donk Male 30-39
    103 posts
    February 23, 2008 at 11:38 am
    Sura (9:5) - "So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them."
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    donk Male 30-39
    103 posts
    February 23, 2008 at 11:38 am
    Sura (9:14) - "Fight them, Allah will punish them by your hands and bring them to disgrace..."

    Sura (9:20) - "Those who believe, and have left their homes and striven with their wealth and their lives in Allah`s way are of much greater worth in Allah`s sight. These are they who are triumphant." The "striving" spoken of here is Jihad.

    Sura (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."

    Sura (9:30) - "And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!"

  203. Profile photo of donk
    donk Male 30-39
    103 posts
    February 23, 2008 at 11:39 am
    Sura (9:38-39) - "O ye who believe! what is the matter with you, that, when ye are asked to go forth in the cause of Allah, ye cling heavily to the earth? Do ye prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? But little is the comfort of this life, as compared with the Hereafter. Unless ye go forth, He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place."
    Sura (9:41) - "Go forth, light-armed and heavy-armed, and strive with your wealth and your lives in the way of Allah! That is best for you if ye but knew."

    Sura (9:73) - "O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is the destination."

    Sura (9:88) - "But the Messenger, and those who believe with him, strive and fight with their wealth and their persons: for them are (all) good things: and it is they who will prosper."

  204. Profile photo of donk
    donk Male 30-39
    103 posts
    February 23, 2008 at 11:39 am
    Sura (9:111) - "Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Qur`an: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah? then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme."

    Sura (9:123) - "O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness."

    Sura (21:44) - "We gave the good things of this life to these men and their fathers until the period grew long for them; See they not that We gradually reduce the land (in their control) from its outlying borders? Is it then they who will win?"

  205. Profile photo of donk
    donk Male 30-39
    103 posts
    February 23, 2008 at 11:40 am
    Sura (25:52) - "Therefore listen not to the Unbelievers, but strive against them with the utmost strenuousness, with the (Qur`an)."
    Sura (47:4) - "So when you meet in battle those who disbelieve, then smite the necks until when you have overcome them, then make (them) prisoners,"

    Sura (47:35) - "Be not weary and faint-hearted, crying for peace, when ye should be uppermost (Shakir: "have the upper hand") for Allah is with you,"

    Sura (48:17) - "There is no blame for the blind, nor is there blame for the lame, nor is there blame for the sick (that they go not forth to war). And whoso obeyeth Allah and His messenger, He will make him enter Gardens underneath which rivers flow; and whoso turneth back, him will He punish with a painful doom."

    Sura (48:29) - "Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard (ruthless) against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves"

    Sura (61:4) - "

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    donk Male 30-39
    103 posts
    February 23, 2008 at 11:40 am
    Sura (61:4) - "Surely Allah loves those who fight in His way"

    Sura (61:10-12) - "O ye who believe! Shall I lead you to a bargain that will save you from a grievous Penalty?- That ye believe in Allah and His Messenger, and that ye strive (your utmost) in the Cause of Allah, with your property and your persons: That will be best for you, if ye but knew! He will forgive you your sins, and admit you to Gardens beneath which Rivers flow, and to beautiful mansions in Gardens of Eternity."

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    donk Male 30-39
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    February 23, 2008 at 11:40 am
    Sura (66:9) - "O Prophet! Strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites, and be stern with them. Hell will be their home, a hapless journey`s end."
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    donk Male 30-39
    103 posts
    February 23, 2008 at 11:48 am
    Thunder these are all verses of the Quran that speak on dealing with non Muslims and non believers of Allah. It says in pretty specific words that you are to fight against people who do not believe in Allah. You call me ignorant but the God I believe in said "thou shalt not kill" not Muslim (1:33) - the Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah, that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. What you are preaching is not a religion of peace but of hatred. With your religion you are either Muslim or you are the enemy and you deserve death. You can call me any name you wish but in the end everyone is not buying what you are selling. And we are laughing at you not with you. Oh by the way before you call me ignorant you might want to compare IQ`s...mine is above 150...
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    donk Male 30-39
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    February 23, 2008 at 11:51 am
    Oh also Thunder for you to call me narrow minded because I don`t agree with what you are saying and I am backing up my disagreements with facts, prove that you are more narrow minded than I.
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    coolcrazyguy Male 18-29
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    February 23, 2008 at 7:20 pm
    if those dumb muslims think that`s offensive, THEN GET A LOAD OF THIS!!!!!!!

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    DaPalooka Female 13-17
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    February 24, 2008 at 2:00 pm
    Wasnt there something similar to this on a South Park episode?
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    thunder86 Male 18-29
    189 posts
    February 24, 2008 at 7:32 pm
    I
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    thunder86 Male 18-29
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    February 24, 2008 at 7:32 pm
    am
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    thunder86 Male 18-29
    189 posts
    February 24, 2008 at 7:33 pm
    posting
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    thunder86 Male 18-29
    189 posts
    February 24, 2008 at 7:33 pm
    separately
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    thunder86 Male 18-29
    189 posts
    February 24, 2008 at 7:34 pm
    in order to
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    thunder86 Male 18-29
    189 posts
    February 24, 2008 at 7:35 pm
    avoid the pic that
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    thunder86 Male 18-29
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    February 24, 2008 at 7:35 pm
    is offensive and racist.
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    thunder86 Male 18-29
    189 posts
    February 24, 2008 at 7:39 pm
    The person who posted the pic "coolcrazyguy" claims to be a conservative christian and is clearly a hypocrite in both the eyes of christians and muslims and anyone who knows what the conservative christian party stands for.
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    thunder86 Male 18-29
    189 posts
    February 24, 2008 at 7:53 pm
    "donk" if you are interested in a man to man talk and I mean in a way that you do not offend me and I do not offend you then please post on the next page simply stating "yes" or "no."
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    thunder86 Male 18-29
    189 posts
    February 24, 2008 at 7:56 pm
    The reason I say this is beacause you google things taken out of context and say they are what Islam stands for.

    I could google things that show that the bible talks about incest relations in the homes of the prophets and I truly hate the person who inserted that verse in the bible for it depicts prophets (peace be upon them all) in a manner worse than the offensive cartoons and pictures we saw, yet these verses are preached to christian followers and it clearly encourages outrageous behavior. The reason I refuse to post this verse and others that speak about murdering entire villages with inhabitants young & old and taking women as sex slaves, is because in the Quran God states that men with desires changed the bible and that the original pure bible was given to Jesus(PBUH) but men with worldy desires changed it after him.

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    thunder86 Male 18-29
    189 posts
    February 24, 2008 at 7:58 pm
    If you would like to post back then you and I can argue in a peaceful manner and if anyone else wishes to tag on then that is fine as long as we remain respectful of each other`s views and opinions.
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    thunder86 Male 18-29
    189 posts
    February 24, 2008 at 8:08 pm
    By the way If you IQ is greater than 150 then good for you. I was not challenging your intellect, rather the way you presented your arguments in a biased manner, thus the narrow mind referral. Do not get offended by that, you already offended us in your initial posts far beyond the word "narrow mind" by saying we were "towel heads, camel jockeys, carpet riders, etc..."
    So what do you say, donk?
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    dougboss Male 18-29
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    February 25, 2008 at 12:41 pm
    sex!
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    abraham11 Male 18-29
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    March 12, 2008 at 3:23 am
    An amazing feat, difficult to believe if this is real.
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