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no matter how many times i hear it, i always crack up!
Well perhaps from a theists point of view, maybe the god is. The difficulty there, i suppose, that if you belive god can be separated from the universe at all. I have fun arguing that one with theists, omnipotence and omniscience.
Naw im not a theist. My point is though, that someone can have quiet intense beliefs, but still see things ina more realistic way. I just can`t lump theists in those catagories the video suggests.
Christian: I`m a christianAtheist: I`m an AtheistChristian: I don`t give a S h i tAtheist: me neither "
Atheist: I was a Christian once.Atheist2: Me too.Atheist: Good thing we cast off the shackles of mental bondage.Atheist2: Indeed.
Christian: I`m a christianAtheist: I`m an AtheistChristian: I don`t give a S h i tAtheist: me neither
No they don`t. Some do, but the majority don`t nowadays.Please, do SOME research.It`s like me saying all atheists commit rape and murder. Some do. But for the majority it isn`t true.Stereotypes are stupid.
Do you believe that in all of the history of the entire universe YOU are the most intelligent thing that has ever lived? Give yourself 100 points.
Do you believe that the human race has been stupid and misinformed, making all kinds of false assumptions until YOU were born, and now we have all the answers? Give yourself 500 points.
Do you believe that in a universe where the greatest minds all agree that we don`t have a clue about the makeup of 95% of known universe you can be certain that there is nothing beyond your comprehension? Give yourself 1000 points
There are umpteen religions in the world; you think you have it figured out? Cool. More power.
Just don`t boo-hoo when some of us, including non-Christians, athiests, and agnostics, don`t buy a ticket to your afterlife meat raffle.
After all, you`ll have all of eternity to have the last laugh, right?
P.S.Do you get sad when people you love die? It`s because your biology knows there`s no afterlife; I wouldn`t mind not seeing someone for many, many years if I knew I would eventually spend FOREVER with them. They better loosen up the guidelines for getting into heaven, because you`re gonna be really sick of your friends and family after, oh, say, 1 or 2 BILLION YEARS.
Another round of Pictionary without pagan symbols, anyone?
But hey, tha
I don`t believe in god, but I can see why people do. And even if there were scientific evidence for why God doesn`t exist, then I know that people would still believe anyway, and I would want them to. It makes people happy and secure, and who is anyone to take that away from them?
Now I don`t care if no one reads this or not, but it makes me happy and it clears my thoughts. I don`t care if you disagree, you`re all allowed to. But I`m not trying to argue. I`m trying to end the argument.
The thing I hate about preaching is that it is a person standing up and saying that you are right, and everyone else is wrong, so you must save yourself. And I say let them save themselves if they want and shut the hell up! Religion just gets it hard because it is up against science, and science likes to reinvent itself all the time and come to a rational conclusion about everything. Religion just sticks to its old principles, and they don`t work in modern society so well. And so forcing it in just doesn`t work. But then neither does atheism.
In the video, the guy said that everyone else was trying to lead a normal, peaceful life. But on of the aspects of religion is to do this on a level ABOVE the law, which can grasp people so much better. We see violence and crime all around us, and in a completely godless world we would be in shambles. But that`s when religion comes in.
I am not religious, but I behave like a religious person in ways. I have my views, and I respect them. And I respect other people`s views. But when they argue their views and call other people`s views wrong...boy that yanks on my chain. And this is even when the views are the same as mine. On this topic, who has the right to call other people wrong, or INSULT them for their beliefs, particularly when they`ve just been raised this way. It`s like mocking starving Africans for being hungry.
The point is this: religion has so many benefits, and despite there being extremism out there, it`s no reason to call people "deluded" and try to wipe it out. Similarly, there`s no reason why religious people should force their views on others, to "save" them. It just doe
The 10,000+ result was hilarious.
This video made me laugh more than anything. Richard Dawkins is such a noob.
I hope that this video inspired some to become better people, regardless of beliefs; no because God wants them to do so, but, rather, because they want to become better people on their own.
They see me trollin`, they hatin`...
Actually I think that`s a legitimate question.
"I dunno about anybody else, but I`d rather have the creator of the universe make me than monkeys."
Monkeys didn`t make us, FTAB2010. Raise your hands, ladies and gentlemen. Is there anyone here who believes we evolved from monkeys? Anyone? You, too, it seems, would benefit from reading The Blind Watchmaker. I just this morning finished it. It should nicely clear up any misconceptions you are having of evolution.
i can be considered atheist by some, but i see myself more as an agnostic, so heres my PoV:
this video is nothing like most atheist, like someone on page 1 stated, this guy is a fundamentalist atheist, he is just as bad as the other religious fundamentalists. my biggest problem with it was that one of the questions included meditation hinting it was a type of prayer. meditation can be done by atheist as well, and it is actually good to meditate at times. now to meditate and expect to reach a higher plane is one thing, but to meditate in order to concentrate on inner thought, what is wrong with that?
you are kidding right?
i dont care what some bastard says about me or my religion Im proud to be a christian and noone can stop that
no "real" answers can be comprehended by the human mind, we can`t even visualise how massive our own planet is, let alone the infinite ammount of possibility there is in the universe
...and i hate xtians
And since everyone else is weighing in I just wanted to point out many scientists cant come to a concensus on many issues and for certain theories that have imperical data behind them to be true we would have to alter our current understanding of the universe.
Some of these theories are string theory, multi layered universes. Parralel worlds..... list goes on.
me just wanted to try to point out that science isnt right alot of the times, and almost never agrees. In fact science used to accept that we were created, now they accept evolution. We have accepted evolution because thats what the current facts point to, but maybe one day whe we find complex life on another planet those conspiracy theorists who believe that aliens seeded the planet will have science accept their view.
Meh not trying to debate, just posting my view
Its just a little something for us non-believers to get a chuckle out of. All you believers just skip and goto the next link, lol.
Oh wait no.
It seems as if a score of "zero" means the opposite of what I said above..
Seriously though, I agree with FloridaSnow..."If you believe in something other than what I belive, cool go ahead =]. Just don`t go around telling me your`e ideas because I don`t care- from a nihilistic athiest"
Have fun burning in hell.
the god people writes in perfect english, pretend to be uber-polite and understanding, just to show how divine they are. pfft. this video is a joke, if you cant understand this, its easy to get why you believe that somebody or something made everything.
anyone that scored more than zero should be batpoo.
P.S HAPPPYYYYYYY VALENSZTIENZV DAYT
"Those who are forgiven are those who love Jesus."
Your Bible verse says nothing about forgiveness, only that those who obey Jesus` commands are those who love them. It says nothing about Jesus` feelings toward them, especially in the afterlife. Or am I not supposed to be taking the verse so literally? ...Perhaps you should dig deeper for a more pertinent verse.
"i quit replying to overmann`s posts a while back, its somewhat pointless."
It`s funny you should use the word "pointless", horn4231, because as of yet you have not posted any points of your own in that last topic (you know which one), or even tried to refute any of mine. All in all, these discussions are not pointless; it`s venting. It`s exercise. It`s educational, or at least I`d like them to be. You don`t seem to have much to contribute.
Just it needed to be shorter.
There is no way to destroy christianity.No matter how much war, death, and destruction has been caused by religion, it has given hope, healing, and understand to alot of those left behind.
Religion can`t really be proved wrong, because for people who do believe in it, it`s not about the stone cold facts or the scientific method.
There is SO much in this world that cannot be scientifically explained.
You can`t throw it all away.
I do hate the bible thumpers though, trying to cram religion and personal belief down peoples throats is just stupid.
and yeah, believing in satan gives you 600...nice.
So you recommend people follow Deuteronomy 13:12-18, and if they find a non-believer in a town, they should kill all the inhabitants of the town (not just the non-believers) and burn their possessions and never rebuild the town?
The Bible is saying that slaughtering innocents is your ticket to eternal paradise. If that isn`t terrifying, nothing is.
shouldn`t it be transgressing, though, instead of digressing? unless digressing has another definition i`m not aware of....
john 14:21 is great, though.
I`m sorry, Overmann, but you seem to have not done enough research. Those who are forgiven are those who love Jesus. And Jesus says quite plainly in John 14:21, "Whoever has my commands and obeys them, he is the one who loves me." Therefore we follow the laws of Jesus (Love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind, and with all your strength, and love your neighbor as yourself)
Not at all, but if you`re being picky about it, still a possibility. I also never stated that intelligent design is credible, I did state the opposite, however. I merely said it`s a possibility. And given the scope of the question, the true origin of the universe, I`d say it`s a fairly good one. It`s an easy way out.
And just because it is a possibility does not mean you need to accept it as credible. It`s entirely POSSIBLE that whenever no one`s looking at a dollar bill, it turns into a hamster. That doesn`t mean it`s logical, sane, valid, or at all plausible.
True, but not more invalid than anything else. And even IF we find the cause of the Big Bang, faith doesn`t have to stop there, depending on the finding. The only thing that can convince me that there is a higher being is that we can with scientific evidence prove it`s existance.The only thing that can convince me that there ISN`T a higher being is if we can fit everything into a universal equation, or something along those lines, and no higher power is part of it.
I personally have yet to come by any OTHER theory, backed by evidence or not. As I`ve said time and time again, if anything else comes by, I`m happy to accept it, since the idea behind God or any other higher being is ridiculous.However, until I hear about it, anything is still a POSSIBILITY.
Just as valid in that they are completely invalid.
Duh? It`s called "The God Delusion" quiz thing. If you`re a christian or otherwise religious person, why take it if you know you`re going to be offended?
I mean, really.
There is no proof for ANY cause of the Big Bang, so until something else is proven right, the FSM or God stands just as valid as a possibility, correct?
But I reiterate: this is all one persons opinion, and, as the saying goes: "Opinions are like belly buttons, everyone has one."
Again, you miss the point. I don`t need to prove something false. The burden of evidence is on you to prove it true. There is sufficient evidence for the Big Bang and evolution, and thus they are accepted. There is no proof for a Flying Spaghetti Monster causing the Big Bang, so until there is proof for such a concept it is dismissed. Any scientific claim as to the causation of the Big Bang is similarly discarded, unless supported with evidence.
According to this video I`m Normal.
neilyo, I for one do not have a misrepresentation of religionists in my discussions about them and why the faith they have is wrong. Certainly I`m not of the opinion that I am because I misperceive religionists as all associable with the Westboro Baptist Church`s radical views. No, my opinions cling to the very heart of religionists` arguments, namely those of faith claims, which all the faithful, by definition, possess.
I don`t appreciate all this negativity towards Richard Dawkins. He is not the fundamentalist people make him out to be, as is demonstrated by this audio clip of a debate he had with Madeline Bunting, whoever she may be. It`s a very constructive, diplomatic dialog in which Dawkins makes his case quite reasonably.
For everything else in the entire universe, rationality says there is no god. I agree with this. But before Big Bang, we still have no idea, or do we? For all I personally know, a flying spaghetti monster just might`ve set everything up and unleashed the big boom. Prove that statement wrong, I`ll gladly accept it. Prove it right, and I`ll gladly accept that too.It must be because I live in little neutral Sweden :)
Some things in life are so approximately to 100% that we shouldn`t even bother saying that it`s ALMOST 100%. Evolution, gravity, quantum mechanics, atomic theory, electromagnetism, etc, these are all things that we know are facts, until we are proven wrong, and so far we haven`t. The worst that a theory ever undergoes is revisions and changes, and so far we`ve done a good job.
I am an atheist and I just tell you what I believe, but I will never tell you that you are idiotic and wrong because Man is not infallible, so therefore nothing we ever say can be absolutely proven 100% correct.
There is no such thing as a fundamental atheist. There is no such thing as a fundamental pacifist. There is no such thing as fundamental baldness.
Anyway, a religion that opresses homosexuals and other people and that wants their bullsh-it taught in schools deserves NO RESPECT WHATSOEVER!
That`s just it. It`s not taking sides. That terminology suggests they each have their own equal weight with each other. They don`t. There is no proof for theism being even remotely correct, so the logical choice is to dismiss it.
Answer: No. The planet has no harmony. That`s why we have MASS EXTINCTIONS!
"question 2: Do you believe, that if there is no God, that you can rightly form your own free thoughts? That you are a free being, even though your thoughts are not actually random chemical amalgamations in your autonomous brain that is a slave to its own evolution? +100,000 points if yes."
-- This is super stupid. You think the magic pixie fairy makes you think and that you are a slave to his whim? Hahahahaha. If he`s so powerful and I am not thinking for myself, why doesn`t he just MAKE me believe in him?
Well that`s lovely, I`ve went on a posting fit. I`ll let posts accumulate for a while before I say anything more.
jk, I`m atheist. But it`s the first thing that came to my mind. xD
I don`t know, but that doesn`t mean it didn`t happen as is suggested by the evidence. I don`t need to know what caused the Big Bang in order to comprehend that it happened. I`d *like* to know, but I accept the limits of science as of today. Hopefully advances in technology will further illuminate that mystery, but until then my conviction that the Big Bang occurred is not doubted.
Quoted for truth.
Which is intellectual grounds for faith`s dismissal. It`s not as if faith claims don`t need evidence, it`s merely that faith claims *have* no evidence and those faithful are comfortable with this fact because they`re more comfortable with the freedoms that such thoughts provide. For instance, it`s comforting to believe in a benevolent God and that all injustices in life are later corrected. This belief is comforting to the point where all other notions that render this belief unrealistic are simply ignored. It`s not intellectually honest and I, at least, therefore dismiss that excuse for what it is: an excuse to continue believing as one wishes. Evidence is needed and necessary for *every* positive claim - some just choose to ignore that idea.
What you state would be entirely true if there were no evidence for any theories about the creation of Man and Earth at all. This is not the case. There is not only evidence for evolution, there is also evidence for the Big Bang and other possibilities. It`s one thing to make up your own mind when nobody really knows. It`s another to ignore something that has scientific backing, and go believe something with no evidence at all.
What about females?
*laughs* You`re an ignoramus. Classic fundie saying.
Anyone who says yes to #9 - that the nonreligious will be tortured after death - can go suck eggs.
Anyone who says yes to #11 - evolution is fact. Deal with it.
You reject things that have no proof. Anything else is completely irrational.
question 2: Do you believe, that if there is no God, that you can rightly form your own free thoughts? That you are a free being, even though your thoughts are not actually random chemical amalgamations in your autonomous brain that is a slave to its own evolution? +100,000 points if yes.
If you answered yes to one or both, you are a deluded naturalist humanist whose paradox in their oxymoron universe is laughable.
You Christians who are on here attacking others....this is John 4:19-31. If we truly love God, we will have the divine love in our heart which will cause us to see others the way God sees them. If we hate or despise others, we need to question how much we really love God.
The one thing that really bothers me is when a "Christian" does not live up to the standard that Jesus has set for us. If you are Christian and you are attacking the ateists, you need to read the NT more. Scripture NEVER tells us to judge others. We are to witness to them and then let it go. Scripture actually tells us to judge other Christians so that they dont do sinful things....(like condemning others)
The whole point in having faith is not needing evidence, the way I see it. God just happens to be the most popular candidate in western society.
"Unless God can be said to simultaneously maintain all the laws of chemistry and physics, keeping them in the predictable state as we know them, God cannot be said to govern or "drive" evolution."
Well, from a religious standpoint, God CAN be said to simultaneously maintain all the laws of chemistry and physics, which you quite firmly refuted when stating that "There simply is no God-driven evolution."
Or did I get you wrong?
Five years later-They are told there is no Santa Claus.They are told there is no Tooth Fairy.They are told there IS a God, and if you dare to defy him then you will burn in HELL forever!
Now when you turn around and tell that child that A and B aren`t real, what reason is there to believe in C? All of the above have no basis in reality beyond the fact that they are all written in books.
Now here`s the point:
Theists expect us to tolerate their beliefs and not ridicule them. Wouldn`t you ridicule a forty-year-old man who fervently believes in Santa, the Tooth Fairy, fairies in the garden, and elves in the north pole? What difference is there?
The problem with that view, however, is that it is not reflected in evidence. Therefore, the view is no more strongly supported than the view that an invisible pink unicorn is controlling physical laws. When no stronger evidence exists that could bring the notion of God closer to governing such laws than any other entity, we must reject all such notions in the service of truth and conclude that none other than a natural explanation exists for the configuration of such laws. It is the only other alternative we have if we wish to remain as close to truth as possible in our pursuit of it.
Another thing I disrespect is the disrespect of science and its standards and method. There simply is no God-driven evolution. Why? Because a supernatural element is not required in performing the mechanism by which evolution occurs, namely the differential success in the environment of various genetic mutations. It cannot be said that God controls genetic mutation because we know that chemistry governs that process. Unless God can be said to simultaneously maintain all the laws of chemistry and physics, keeping them in the predictable state as we know them, God cannot be said to govern or "drive" evolution.
I`m not saying you believe that, paramecium, but it perturbs me all the same to see that written.
Lumpychump, I have nothing in particular against you but I do disrespect your belief. I feel it is perfectly possible for us to have a religious discussion while maintaining this disrespect. It does not prevent me from wanting to know more about why you believe as you do, specifically what your particular "religious experience" was. I`d like to know. You are fully encouraged to send me this information via private message.
As Christopher Hitchens would say: "What an incredibly stupid question." If such happiness were found in the slaughter of innocents and the cannibalism of their corpses, how are we not justified in removing their capacity to experience such happiness? Your logic, in principle, does not work for every case and therefore doesn`t work. It doesn`t work for religion, either, because religion has proven itself dangerous time and time again. Not only through violence, but by the promotion of dangerous thought, as I`ll call it. So long as the faithful do not attempt to brainwash and raise children (or anyone) into their system of unsubstantiated beliefs and children discover the merits of religion through the rigors of the pursuit of truth, I`ll consider it peaceful. Until then, I will not.
So my only points came from that question.
Oh yeah, im not a theist and i find this offensive. I have a christian freind who would score very highly. He isnt fundie though and believes in god driven evolution.
Not true, Snorgledork. The role of Jesus in modern day Christianity is to forgive sins no matter how harmful they may be. If a person believes they are instantly forgiven for their digressions, what is to stop a person from repeatedly digressing? There is no natural incentive to be good. From another perspective, one who adheres to the Bible and claims they provide strict moral guidelines would necessarily have to be one who only *selectively* adheres to the morals in the Bible. Any religion based off a book that says it`s okay to rape (by entering her into a forced marriage) any given woman cannot be said to be strictly moral. In short, there is no definite correlation between morality and Christianity, but rather morality and character of the person. As history has seen, being Christian (or of any theistic religion) does not automatically qualify one as having good character.
Wrong, farquaadhnch. Atheism is not associated with the same practices as is a religion. If anything, atheism is comparable both to and not to faith. It is comparable to faith in that it is an assumption taken about the nature of the universe. It is *not* comparable to faith in that it is based off of a distinct lack of evidence and the rejection of superfluous explanations; faith does not meet the second criteria and is most often held due to "personal" beliefs or experiences.
"Some folks need religion and that`s ok. But it gets jammed down our throats on a regular basis by folks who are trying to `save us`. Some of us atheists are just trying to `save you`."
Careful, patchouly. I understand you are attempting to explain atheism in terms religionists can understand, but you are coming dangerously close to being presented as hypocritical to those who don`t understand what you`re doing.
No, odeed. The presentation of that particular video was based solely on the disposition of its author. Dawkins would have disregarded the video wholesale for being arbitrary and unscientific. To my knowledge there is no known scale for how "deluded" one is by religion/God/faith. I consider Dawkins an important role model but that doesn`t mean I`m likely to produce a spiteful video about how deluded I feel people are by religion/God/faith, if at all.
"By the way, there is no way to have atheist fundamentalism, considering that atheism has NOTHING TO DO WITH FUNDAMENTALS. Atheism is simply the denial of or disbelief of supernatural beings."
Just because atheism is not usually fundamentalist does not mean it cannot also be dogmatic. I would argue any dogmatic belief is unjustifiable and dangerous, direction notwithstanding.
I meant that if Christians would actually follow the Bible the way it was meant to be, people would be kind, caring, considerate, nonjudgmental, and the list goes on.
I think the main problem here is simple- the argument has been broken down into two sides: religeous folk and athiests. This is wrong for a start. Surely it is wrong to place the rational, unintrussive philosophies of most religeous people who have no intentions of forcing their beliefs onto others in the same group as religeous terrorists.
Religeon does not make the person. Many people just use religeon to keep their life in perspective. These people are persecuted as if they are terrorists. I`m not a religeous person, but I do know what it is to be persecuted for no reason(I`m a gay, ginger furry: take your pick).
So basically what I`m trying to say is, if someone is religeous, that doesn`t mean that they`re crazy. If religeon makes them happy, surely nothing else really matters, so long as they don`t twist their beliefs to better suit themselves.
Spread the love :-).
There is a mental disorder for people who see things that don`t exist. Maybe you should pick up some pills or something for that.
I just ask for anyone that is to open their eyes and see that religion and violence go hand in hand with each other. We can never live equally as long as people believe in any supernatural being. So many wars are fought, so many people die, in vain over something they have no clue about.
I just wonder how any one could possibly ever think they are right. I never say I`m right about not believing, but I can say I live my life better than most religious. I`ve never been in trouble. Not violent. Not ignorant. I volunteer my time to a few different local and national organizations. I help anyone I can, and I generally care about people. I don`t need to be afraid of a god to do these things. I do them because I am a good person. That is what is hard to find in this world.
Guardian, gay people don`t go to hell the bible just calls it a sin which according to the bible would be no different than saying the Lord`s name in vain. Though personally I see nothing wrong with it.
I don`t remember who said that, and in case you were wondering, I got a 0.
My explanation was intended to show how Atheists feel. We hear about Christians all the time. I`m not trying to save people, only show things from the other side and explain how "we" feel.
I do not have blind faith in science. As I mentioned, I do not feel that science proves or disproves religion. I am looking at religion to stand on it`s own.
I have some degree of respect for people who are religious in that they are strong in their convictions. I only wish they would have something other then "Because it`s true and that`s all there is to it" or "You want proof, look around you!" as an argument.
*edit*I don`t feel all religious folks are like this of course...
I have had some very deep conversations many times with some well thought out arguments. But it just seems that a large percentage of them are blind to it.
Matthew 19:18-19"Jesus replied, " `Do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not give false testimony, 19honor your father and mother,`[a] and `love your neighbor as yourself.`"
Personally I`m far from spiritual, but I think I have a good sense of respect for other people`s beliefs. I just hate it when they preach it like some universal truth, "ramming it down people`s throat", as it`s called.I`m surprised noone has mentioned agnosticism yet.
I am not going to even begin to get into my personal beliefs on this website, but all I would like to say is this: Double Standards.
Judging by what you have been saying Patch, you are trying to do the exact same thing Christian Extremists are doing that makes you angry, which is "Save them." Why is it you believe that it is right, and just for you to go out and do this? For it is what you believe is right what should be believed. And, touching on an earlier topic, you are doing what you believe is right from your personal experience, which, according to others who have spoken, is a completely illogical argument with no basis at all in a logically functioning world.
It is interesting to see people on both sides ripping into each other fruitlessly when they ultimately are using t
I am unsure of what you mean by strict moral guidelines. There is no evidence at all that Christians are more moral, or happier than atheists. The inverse is actually true, indicated by higher arrest rates for Christians/Catholics, more divorces on Christian/Catholic sides, etc.
and i`m not attacking you. in fact, i understand where you`re coming from, but the fact is that even though (to you) god is just a little winged fairy, me believing in him isn`t hurting you. and really, it isn`t hurting me either.
It`s infuriating at times. Picture if you had an argument with a person who claimed to believe in faeries. Cute, little winged faeries. You could tell them they weren`t real, but the person just keeps insisting they are because they read about them in a story book.
Some religious people can be saved from the brain washing they endured and some can not. I feel as though I should help those who are lost find there way back to reality, but the truth is, the brain washing that religion instills is so strong, often they just can`t be saved.
In the end we just have to sit back and allow them to go on. It`s sad, but it`s the way it is. I`m sure there were similar problems with folks letting go of Zeus
and i thought the video was funny... but that`s just me.
Anyways, I got a 5. The meditation question got to me.
I didn`t realise that actually. If I ever find myself having to defend my right to religious belief in a court then I won`t use such an argument - it`s a fair point I suppose. I would however again assert that I am entitled to my belief without having the integrity of my intellect or character called into question. I know my having a faith angers some - all I can say is that I`m sorry you feel like that. Get over it. Seriously, then you and I can be happy. We can agree to disagree - just let`s do it respectfully?
At least religeon gives peoples lives perspective. I know how many people have died because of it, but they were happy beliving that death is not the end. So who do you think is happier? The man who dies knowing that he will never know why he existed, or the man who dies in the honest belief that he does know?
I find it sad that I can battle it out with a person of faith until they are blue in the faith; I could crush all of their arguments with ease, and support myself with facts, and still they would crawl into the whole negative proof fallacy, and think they have won something, despite how many times I tell them that it`s logically fallacious because to entertain that they must entertain fairies, the FSM, leprechauns and other mythical creatures.
You`re right, but the difference is, you can prove these things with empirical data. When has religion ever proved God, or heaven, or hell, or anything supernatural? Never.
I didn`t see Jesus telling us fundamental laws, or anything even helpful besides his parables and moral lessons, which were sometimes gruesome. It`s arguable that Jesus never even existed anyway.
Some folks need religion and that`s ok. But it gets jammed down our throats on a regular basis by folks who are trying to "save us". Some of us atheists are just trying to "save you".
It`s not a question of science vs. religion. It`s all about whether or not there is one single drop of evidence that there is a God. With no proof, it can`t be real. Maybe a lot of the science is wrong as well, but that doesn`t prove that God exists.
Religion is based on blind faith. In some of the stricter religions, if you even question it, you will burn in Hell.
It`s brain washing. Text book case. I`m not saying that you should give up religion, but step back and think about it for a second...
Calling atheism a religion is like calling bald a hair color.
You do realize that personal experience is called an argument from ignorance right? It`s a completely logically fallacious argument, and it is totally weak. Try telling a judge that you felt that your divine creator ushered you to do something, and I am sure they would immediately lock your ass up. No one takes this crap seriously for anyone else, because deep down we all know that there is almost certainly no God. People battle with the idea everyday because it`s unnatural to think there there is an unseen, unknown, omnipotent, ubiquitous, and omniscient being watching the fall of every sparrow. It`s drating insane.
I like how people will coax a child and tell them that imaginary friends don`t exist, but on a psychological level believing in God is so close it`s funny. They both cause comfort, explanations for things unexplainable to them, reason for certain actions, and companionship when no one else will understand. God is a trick for your brain.
Until those who chose a religious affiliation start treating those who are different from them with respect (atheism is a religion too folks) I will not respect them.
By the way, there is no way to have atheist fundamentalism, considering that atheism has NOTHING TO DO WITH FUNDAMENTALS. Atheism is simply the denial of or disbelief of supernatural beings.
Also, he used to be a Catholic, but he opened his eyes and asked too many questions; this is probably the biggest enemy to religion: knowledge.
I got 0 in case you`re wondering.
That`s because I know where he`s going...
<rubs hands in gleeful anticipation>
If you want to believe that a cosmic Jewish zombie who was his own father created the universe and will reward you with eternal life if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically accept him as your lord and master so he can remove a presence in humanity caused when a rib-woman ate an apple because a talking snake told her to, and where your only proof of such things is a BOOK that is contradicted by much of science, then it is very easy to look completely stupid.
I`m seeing the trend of Richard Dawkins worship get more and mroe intense all the time. Talk about blind faith. Does anyone cross-check his facts?
How many points:If you believe the laws of physics change whether or not you`re looking? If you believe a cat in a box is both dead and alive until you open the box?How many points if you believe something can have a rotational symmetry of 1/2?You believe in a multi-verse?You believe you gain mass the faster you`re going?
It`s easy to mock things.
lol that was so dumb
PS - I for one don`t use a thesaurus.
I got a 20...
And obviously this is someone`s opinion and if you get offended by someone who you have never met and whom you have no emotional investment in at all then you should reevaluate where your priorities lie.
Anyways was meant to be offensive and bring out the trollers.
Which reminds me lets string the trollers up by their nuts.
There`s no floating head that will grant you wishes and he didn`t create the world last week and put fossils of dinosaurs here to screw with our heads.
Heh... `Batpoo crazy`
Is all I`m saying
I`m staying out of the inusing religious debate (should their be any) - People here most likely know my point on this matter allready anyways, any arguments made, fights started are pointless anyhow.
I mean, not to me, I got 15 points from the first two questions, but, seriously, if someone who was batpoo crazy logged onto IAB and saw this...
aww boy, you`d better `set` down and wait for the angry rant!
"10,000+ you are batpoo crazy" that made me laugh though