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298 Responses to The God Delusion Index

  1. Profile photo of TomSFox
    TomSFox Male 18-29
    732 posts
    February 13, 2008 at 12:14 pm
    Link: The God Delusion Index - How much are you deluded by religion? Calculate how far into organized religion you are.
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    February 14, 2008 at 12:08 am
    I already know - none.
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    miakauisan Female 18-29
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    February 14, 2008 at 12:11 am
    this is lame...and boring...but sure to offend some! LOL
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    BikerTeen Male 13-17
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    February 14, 2008 at 12:14 am
    it is not bad but it kinda makes me mad
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    aussieguy29 Male 18-29
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    February 14, 2008 at 12:17 am
    apparently i am moderately deluded, although i dont think thats accurate. i got all my points from one question. i reckon i am mildly deluded
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    Asspenny Male 18-29
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    February 14, 2008 at 12:23 am
    kinda hypocritical and the 1st 3 questions all had `may` in them, kinda skews the scoring.

    "10,000+ you are batpoo crazy" that made me laugh though

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    laMigra77 Male 30-39
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    February 14, 2008 at 12:24 am
    Wow!! I`m totally offended. There wasn`t any question that allowed me to accumulate negative points.
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    starwarsbob Male 18-29
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    February 14, 2008 at 12:27 am
    You are batpoo crazy.


    Hella funny

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    laMigra77 Male 30-39
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    February 14, 2008 at 12:27 am
    So Catholics are highly deluded while born-again Christians, Jehovah`s Witnesses and Muslims are all bat$#%! crazy. Sounds about right...
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    derangedingo Male 13-17
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    February 14, 2008 at 12:28 am
    That was really offensive.

    I mean, not to me, I got 15 points from the first two questions, but, seriously, if someone who was batpoo crazy logged onto IAB and saw this...

    aww boy, you`d better `set` down and wait for the angry rant!

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    superstevio Male 18-29
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    February 14, 2008 at 12:28 am
    That`s EdwardCurrent from YouTube. He`s got some excellent videos.
    http://youtube.com/user/EdwardCurrent
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    KoalaMeatPie Male 18-29
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    February 14, 2008 at 12:31 am
    :-D

    Is all I`m saying

    I`m staying out of the inusing religious debate (should their be any) - People here most likely know my point on this matter allready anyways, any arguments made, fights started are pointless anyhow.

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    laMigra77 Male 30-39
    292 posts
    February 14, 2008 at 12:35 am
    If you eat round bacon, worship hockey and have a maple leaf on your country`s flag... you`re bat$%#! crazy.
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    Yaezakura Female 18-29
    385 posts
    February 14, 2008 at 12:35 am
    Wow... that was pure awesome.
  15. Profile photo of Lumpychump
    Lumpychump Male 18-29
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    February 14, 2008 at 12:47 am
    Well apparently I`m highly deluded. I don`t know about that (it seems to assume rather a lot). I don`t think I`m primitive, nor superstitious. I don`t believe you can buy God`s favour. One thing I do know - this video appears to be deliberately offensive and inflamatory I`m not going to get into a debate about the rights and wrongs of religion as people need to be free to make their own minds up and there`s plenty of discussion and information elsewhere for both sides of the debate. What is needed is respect, not berating, not clever-dick, point scoring arguments (that lead nowhere) and certainly not offensive, patronising videos like this. I apologise if anyone is tired of delusional God-botherers like me harping on about my right to practice my faith without such treatment. Respect.
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    Invalok Male 18-29
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    February 14, 2008 at 12:56 am
    lmao, I actually know of someone who would score "Bat poo Crazy"
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    odeed Male 18-29
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    February 14, 2008 at 12:57 am
    pretty offensive, clearly had a set agenda. All based around Richard Dawkins ridiculously hypocritical views. Dawkins hates fundamentalist religion of any sort, yet he himself could be described as an atheist fundamentalist, refusing to take into account anything other than his own views. He scorns religions who can`t accept other faiths, and he isn`t even willing to consider that any religious or thought as possible. I dispise how someone who has no faith is considered `normal`, and people with spiritual beliefs aren`t. Oh, and in case you were wondering, I am moderately deluded. :-O
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    EvilM Male 13-17
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    February 14, 2008 at 12:58 am
    Funny, but still pretty offensive...
    I don`t really feel the need to spread my oppinions on the subject of religeon, so I`ll just leave it at that.

    Heh... `Batpoo crazy`

  19. Profile photo of Ruswut
    Ruswut Male 18-29
    1266 posts
    February 14, 2008 at 1:03 am
    Religion sucks... deal with it

    There`s no floating head that will grant you wishes and he didn`t create the world last week and put fossils of dinosaurs here to screw with our heads.

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    penguinfogel Male 18-29
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    February 14, 2008 at 1:08 am
    :( I wanted to be batpoo crazy. I say this test is rigged. Also my score didnt describe me at all, but it was on the internet so it must be right. Meh, just means I need to do some sole searching and not come back till I mach this video. I also love the scoring system. If you answered yes give yourself 100,000,000 points. So if I would`ve answered yes I would`ve won?

    Anyways was meant to be offensive and bring out the trollers.

    Which reminds me lets string the trollers up by their nuts.

  21. Profile photo of AlfishKK
    AlfishKK Female 18-29
    782 posts
    February 14, 2008 at 1:10 am
    Believing in God: +5
    Believing in Satan: +600

    Wtf?

  22. Profile photo of Mani-Jac
    Mani-Jac Male 40-49
    805 posts
    February 14, 2008 at 1:10 am
    Let`s have a big round of applause for all the batsh¡t crazy folks out there!!!!!

    And to the people who get all excited about this, the test is called "God Delusion Index", if you couldn`t figure out by that title it was going to be offensive against religious people than, well, let`s say, that`s just "surprising" to me.

    I for example, I don`t click links that say "Awww of the day", so I don`t get "upset", same goes for you....

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    penguinfogel Male 18-29
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    February 14, 2008 at 1:10 am
    awwww you spoiled it for me Ruswut. Now I`m gonna have to get rid of the big floating head in my yard and everyone who worships it with me will have to find something else to do with their time.
  24. Profile photo of Lumpychump
    Lumpychump Male 18-29
    121 posts
    February 14, 2008 at 1:15 am
    Naive question probably - but what`s a troller? Also, does anyone have a link to a dictionary or something of all the different exressions like `LMAOROFL` and things like that? I`m really behind the curve with such things.
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    AlfishKK Female 18-29
    782 posts
    February 14, 2008 at 1:20 am
    A troller (or troll) is someone trying to get a big reaction by being purposely inflammatory. You might want to try http://www.urbandictionary.com/ for definitions of stuff like that.
  26. Profile photo of Lumpychump
    Lumpychump Male 18-29
    121 posts
    February 14, 2008 at 1:23 am
    The offence and hurt caused by videos like this and the stream of nastiness, vitriol and bullying that accompanies discussion about them is nowhere near as trivial as you think Mani-Jac. It hurts. I for one don`t ignore it because I believe that the build of bile towards any group of people is wrong and potentially dangerous - I happen to belong to a group of people that are targetted by this video and I believe that I should respond. My response to the video is above. My response to you and anyone else is - I respect you, please respect me. I know religeon has a bloody past - so has democracy. I have never hurt anyone because of both my humanity and my faith. Happy Valentines Day.
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    Lumpychump Male 18-29
    121 posts
    February 14, 2008 at 1:25 am
    Thanks AlfishKK!
  28. Profile photo of thanatos16
    thanatos16 Male 18-29
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    February 14, 2008 at 1:29 am
    just getting through this damned video makes you batpoo crazy
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    florescent Female 18-29
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    February 14, 2008 at 1:31 am
    Someone made heavy use of the thesaurus up there.

    I got a 20...

    And obviously this is someone`s opinion and if you get offended by someone who you have never met and whom you have no emotional investment in at all then you should reevaluate where your priorities lie.

  30. Profile photo of Lumpychump
    Lumpychump Male 18-29
    121 posts
    February 14, 2008 at 2:02 am
    This isn`t just one persons opinion, it`s an illustration of what many people believe. In mocking sincerely held belief in such a derogatory way, people like myself are de-humanised into unthinking, dangerous, imbecilic and retarded individuals. This paves the way for all kinds of discrimination.

    PS - I for one don`t use a thesaurus.

  31. Profile photo of Declan191919
    Declan191919 Male 13-17
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    February 14, 2008 at 2:24 am
    What??
  32. Profile photo of Lumpychump
    Lumpychump Male 18-29
    121 posts
    February 14, 2008 at 2:30 am
    If you mock someone without regard, you make them into more of a target. Sort of.
  33. Profile photo of m-mac
    m-mac Male 18-29
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    February 14, 2008 at 2:38 am
    i was going to write a long spheil about religion and Agnosticism, but then i realized that no one really cares about what i personally think,and also that if it was more than 4 lines no one would read it anyways, so ill just leave it alone and let others argue to themselves about the issue
  34. Profile photo of TheBLB
    TheBLB Male 18-29
    237 posts
    February 14, 2008 at 2:51 am
    I got 9,995.....

    lol that was so dumb

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    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    February 14, 2008 at 2:51 am
    Yet again, a fanatic for their own beliefs bashing other peoples and thinking they`re different.

    How many points:
    If you believe the laws of physics change whether or not you`re looking?
    If you believe a cat in a box is both dead and alive until you open the box?
    How many points if you believe something can have a rotational symmetry of 1/2?
    You believe in a multi-verse?
    You believe you gain mass the faster you`re going?

    It`s easy to mock things.

  36. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    February 14, 2008 at 2:52 am
    Incidentally, 695.
  37. Profile photo of TheBLB
    TheBLB Male 18-29
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    February 14, 2008 at 2:52 am
    Also, I`m gonna agree with what Lumpy said, because I haven`t seen any convincing videos that are pro-atheism AND don`t treat Theists like retards. That`s not debate... that`s name calling.
  38. Profile photo of TheBLB
    TheBLB Male 18-29
    237 posts
    February 14, 2008 at 2:54 am
    and one more thing:

    I`m seeing the trend of Richard Dawkins worship get more and mroe intense all the time. Talk about blind faith. Does anyone cross-check his facts?

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    catbarf Male 18-29
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    February 14, 2008 at 3:27 am
    "Yet again, a fanatic for their own beliefs bashing other peoples and thinking they`re different."

    If you want to believe that a cosmic Jewish zombie who was his own father created the universe and will reward you with eternal life if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically accept him as your lord and master so he can remove a presence in humanity caused when a rib-woman ate an apple because a talking snake told her to, and where your only proof of such things is a BOOK that is contradicted by much of science, then it is very easy to look completely stupid.

  40. Profile photo of Lumpychump
    Lumpychump Male 18-29
    121 posts
    February 14, 2008 at 3:42 am
    It`s also apparently much easier to mock something you don`t understand. The only proof is not a book - it`s also personal experience. I could attempt to explain what I actually believe and compare it systematically with what YOU say I believe, but I don`t think you`d be interested. Instead (once again) all I ask for as a Christian theist is some respect. I give it to you.
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    tispayne Male 18-29
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    February 14, 2008 at 3:51 am
    haha!!! loved this!!! i got a big fat ZERO!! love the definitions of the groups at the end, primative, pretty much nails it in 1..! & then batpoo crazy, i lol`d.
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    tispayne Male 18-29
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    February 14, 2008 at 3:55 am
    o & to TheBLB, science can actually PROVE things, iv never seen religion do anything of the sort, & a book written by people several hundered years after the events it talks about is NOT proof at all. so i dont know what your on about with `blind faith` for science.
  43. Profile photo of Lumpychump
    Lumpychump Male 18-29
    121 posts
    February 14, 2008 at 4:00 am
    Well I guess I know what it`s like to fart against thunder now.
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    TunaSunrise Male 30-39
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    February 14, 2008 at 4:20 am
    Despite being batpoo crazy, I`m really not offended by this.

    That`s because I know where he`s going...

    <rubs hands in gleeful anticipation>

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    jebler Male 18-29
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    February 14, 2008 at 4:57 am
    the end made it worth wile looking at it as a joke. as a test most of the questions were to broad and or vague. i found my self wanting to take half points of some of them.
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    Ratdog993 Female 18-29
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    February 14, 2008 at 5:20 am
    Oh joy, yet another religious debate. How fun. I agree that that video was completely biased towards atheism but, seriously, can`t anyone take a joke these days? If I wanna believe that we evolved from monkeys then let me and I`ll let you believe that God or whoever made us.

    I got 0 in case you`re wondering.

  47. Profile photo of SPrinkZ
    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    February 14, 2008 at 5:21 am
    "pretty offensive, clearly had a set agenda. All based around Richard Dawkins ridiculously hypocritical views. Dawkins hates fundamentalist religion of any sort, yet he himself could be described as an atheist fundamentalist, refusing to take into account anything other than his own views. He scorns religions who can`t accept other faiths, and he isn`t even willing to consider that any religious or thought as possible. I dispise how someone who has no faith is considered `normal`, and people with spiritual beliefs aren`t. Oh, and in case you were wondering, I am moderately deluded." - Odeed

    By the way, there is no way to have atheist fundamentalism, considering that atheism has NOTHING TO DO WITH FUNDAMENTALS. Atheism is simply the denial of or disbelief of supernatural beings.

    Also, he used to be a Catholic, but he opened his eyes and asked too many questions; this is probably the biggest enemy to religion: knowledge.

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    farquaadhnch Male 18-29
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    February 14, 2008 at 5:23 am
    I give every member of any religious community (including atheists) the chance to prove me wrong in regards to if they as an individual are decent. I usually lose respect for most of them when they open their mouths, because it is usually filled with hate. I know that most don`t, but it seems that the most hate-filled of your kind are the ones who are celebrated.

    Until those who chose a religious affiliation start treating those who are different from them with respect (atheism is a religion too folks) I will not respect them.

  49. Profile photo of SPrinkZ
    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    February 14, 2008 at 5:26 am
    Lumpychumpy,

    You do realize that personal experience is called an argument from ignorance right? It`s a completely logically fallacious argument, and it is totally weak. Try telling a judge that you felt that your divine creator ushered you to do something, and I am sure they would immediately lock your ass up. No one takes this crap seriously for anyone else, because deep down we all know that there is almost certainly no God. People battle with the idea everyday because it`s unnatural to think there there is an unseen, unknown, omnipotent, ubiquitous, and omniscient being watching the fall of every sparrow. It`s drating insane.

    I like how people will coax a child and tell them that imaginary friends don`t exist, but on a psychological level believing in God is so close it`s funny. They both cause comfort, explanations for things unexplainable to them, reason for certain actions, and companionship when no one else will understand. God is a trick for your brain.

  50. Profile photo of SPrinkZ
    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    February 14, 2008 at 5:26 am
    Atheists are not part of any religious community.

    Calling atheism a religion is like calling bald a hair color.

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    patchouly Male 40-49
    4746 posts
    February 14, 2008 at 5:28 am
    I think a lot of folks who grew up with religion and after carefully analyzing it, saw it as a form of brain washing so quickly turned away, want to save those of you who are still "under the spell".

    Some folks need religion and that`s ok. But it gets jammed down our throats on a regular basis by folks who are trying to "save us". Some of us atheists are just trying to "save you".

    It`s not a question of science vs. religion. It`s all about whether or not there is one single drop of evidence that there is a God. With no proof, it can`t be real. Maybe a lot of the science is wrong as well, but that doesn`t prove that God exists.

    Religion is based on blind faith. In some of the stricter religions, if you even question it, you will burn in Hell.

    It`s brain washing. Text book case. I`m not saying that you should give up religion, but step back and think about it for a second...

  52. Profile photo of SPrinkZ
    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    February 14, 2008 at 5:29 am
    Baal, are you seriously trying to say that special relativity, quantum mechanics, and super-string theory is mockable because people don`t understand it?

    You`re right, but the difference is, you can prove these things with empirical data. When has religion ever proved God, or heaven, or hell, or anything supernatural? Never.

    I didn`t see Jesus telling us fundamental laws, or anything even helpful besides his parables and moral lessons, which were sometimes gruesome. It`s arguable that Jesus never even existed anyway.

  53. Profile photo of SPrinkZ
    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    February 14, 2008 at 5:31 am
    Atheists don`t try to save anyone actually. Atheists generally don`t care about religion. In fact, atheists do not cohere to anything the same way that random people do not cohere to anything in particular.

    I find it sad that I can battle it out with a person of faith until they are blue in the faith; I could crush all of their arguments with ease, and support myself with facts, and still they would crawl into the whole negative proof fallacy, and think they have won something, despite how many times I tell them that it`s logically fallacious because to entertain that they must entertain fairies, the FSM, leprechauns and other mythical creatures.

  54. Profile photo of SPrinkZ
    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    February 14, 2008 at 5:38 am
    blue in the face*
  55. Profile photo of VONLINE
    VONLINE Male 18-29
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    February 14, 2008 at 6:03 am
    Don`t get so worked up about it SPrinkZ. You sound like a preacher.
  56. Profile photo of SPrinkZ
    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    February 14, 2008 at 6:07 am
    Not really. Preachers preach, I am merely replying to arguments posted on a forum. If you really think that, then you`re indubitably and irrevocably mentally deficient.
  57. Profile photo of SPrinkZ
    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    February 14, 2008 at 6:07 am
    and I am*
  58. Profile photo of EvilM
    EvilM Male 13-17
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    February 14, 2008 at 6:14 am
    Calm the hell down, SPrinkZ.
    I understand that physics and maths can break things down to their most basic forms and qualities, but in the end it`s all just futile. Knowing why we exist is pointless if everyone alive today will be dead in 100 or so years.

    At least religeon gives peoples lives perspective. I know how many people have died because of it, but they were happy beliving that death is not the end. So who do you think is happier? The man who dies knowing that he will never know why he existed, or the man who dies in the honest belief that he does know?

  59. Profile photo of Lumpychump
    Lumpychump Male 18-29
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    February 14, 2008 at 6:23 am
    SPrinkZ: personal experience is called an argument from ignorance right? It`s a completely logically fallacious argument, and it is totally weak. Try telling a judge that you felt that your divine creator ushered you to do something, and I am sure they would immediately lock your ass up.

    I didn`t realise that actually. If I ever find myself having to defend my right to religious belief in a court then I won`t use such an argument - it`s a fair point I suppose. I would however again assert that I am entitled to my belief without having the integrity of my intellect or character called into question. I know my having a faith angers some - all I can say is that I`m sorry you feel like that. Get over it. Seriously, then you and I can be happy. We can agree to disagree - just let`s do it respectfully?

  60. Profile photo of _Requiem_
    _Requiem_ Female 18-29
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    February 14, 2008 at 6:42 am
    Wow, I see everyone`s pulling out the big guns with their 10 dollar words today. My turn...circumbendibus. Totally been waitin` for a way to work that in somewhere.

    Anyways, I got a 5. The meditation question got to me.

  61. Profile photo of VONLINE
    VONLINE Male 18-29
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    February 14, 2008 at 6:48 am
    Okay, here`s my take on religion. Arguing about what the right thing to believe or not to believe is totally pointless. Nobody can change what you believe and you`re not going to change what other people believe. It`s something that every individual figures out on their own. It`s part of the brain that we can`t figure out. Compare it to someone`s sexuality. Some people are straight and some people are gay. We don`t know why, it`s just the way we are wired, and we can`t change that. Some people grow up in church and end up as atheists as adults, and some people have atheist parents, but grow up and "find God". Ultimately, people will belief whatever makes them happy, and isn`t happiness a beautiful thing? Why tear down someone who`s happy? Why attack someone`s happiness? As long as you are happy, and it`s not affecting your health or other people in a negative way, I`m happy for you. Why should someone who believes in a God be seen as sad and pathetic? Because their happiness.
  62. Profile photo of VONLINE
    VONLINE Male 18-29
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    February 14, 2008 at 6:51 am
    (cont.)..doesn`t come from the same thing that brings you happiness? So what? Because they don`t think just like you? Because their not an exact clone of you?
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    Phantom7 Male 18-29
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    February 14, 2008 at 6:55 am
    wow im bat poo crazy
  64. Profile photo of Snorgledork
    Snorgledork Male 13-17
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    February 14, 2008 at 7:06 am
    I`m still waiting for the "evident fact" portion of it.
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    Snorgledork Male 13-17
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    February 14, 2008 at 7:08 am
    Also, for those of us who don`t force our religion down atheists throats, what harm is there in letting us "delude ourselves"? If there`s no Hell, then it`s not like we`re goin` there. It just means we follow strict moral guidelines.
  66. Profile photo of Midge210
    Midge210 Female 18-29
    236 posts
    February 14, 2008 at 7:40 am
    as a christian, let me just say that not all of us "shove our religion down other people`s throats" (i love how that phrase comes up with every religious debate). if someone comes up to me and wants to know why i believe in god, i`ll be happy to tell them. until then, my religion is my business.

    and i thought the video was funny... but that`s just me.

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    patchouly Male 40-49
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    February 14, 2008 at 7:56 am
    From an Atheist`s perspective, I think we have a hard time understanding why some folks choose to believe in something that has no tangible proof what so ever. The entire thing is based on something other people have told you. Fact is, they only believe it because someone told them.

    It`s infuriating at times. Picture if you had an argument with a person who claimed to believe in faeries. Cute, little winged faeries. You could tell them they weren`t real, but the person just keeps insisting they are because they read about them in a story book.

    Some religious people can be saved from the brain washing they endured and some can not. I feel as though I should help those who are lost find there way back to reality, but the truth is, the brain washing that religion instills is so strong, often they just can`t be saved.

    In the end we just have to sit back and allow them to go on. It`s sad, but it`s the way it is. I`m sure there were similar problems with folks letting go of Zeus

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    globpharm Male 18-29
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    February 14, 2008 at 8:08 am
    I know a bunch of BatS**T crazy people. for example they believe dinosaurs didn`t exist they were placed here by god to test people. those kind of people should be locked up.
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    xblade13 Male 13-17
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    February 14, 2008 at 8:10 am
    you people say that we should respect your religion(any other religion), yet you disrespect everyone else`s religious views. Just seems Hypocritical to me.
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    MikeyNiv Male 18-29
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    February 14, 2008 at 8:13 am
    I thought this had credibility until about q5 when the scoring just went batpoo crazy.
  71. Profile photo of Crowe
    Crowe Male 18-29
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    February 14, 2008 at 8:14 am
    chaos v order, nature v civilization, emotion v logic, belief v knowledge, faith v science; two sides of one coin that appear a little different whenever seen: submission v dominance, masochism v sadism or even simply dreaming v remembering or just the big picture v the little details :) possibly an over-illustration, i know, but i attempt to make a strong point. very, very nearly everyone is a hypocrit. just the way humans are, but that`s a good thing. our forever self-contradicting two halved brain allows us to manipulate ideas in many varied ways to many varied extremes, hence all of our great many greatly varied beliefs :) imagine every belief in its simplest definition being one end of a see-saw (teeter-totter) and the directly opposing belief being the other end. imagine every see-saw over lapping exactly at their pivots, their orientation only effecting others indirectly through the complexs of our individual minds. by weighing down any end of any see-saw with belief in a ...
  72. Profile photo of Midge210
    Midge210 Female 18-29
    236 posts
    February 14, 2008 at 8:17 am
    patchouly: personally, i don`t believe in god simply because someone told me. in fact, i almost rejected religion because of that... but i do have personal experiences that have convinced ME. while that isn`t solid proof for anyone else, it`s still important to me and every other bats*it crazy person out there.

    and i`m not attacking you. in fact, i understand where you`re coming from, but the fact is that even though (to you) god is just a little winged fairy, me believing in him isn`t hurting you. and really, it isn`t hurting me either.

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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    February 14, 2008 at 8:20 am
    Why believe in something that is wrong and be happy, then believe in knowing nothing and being content? I`m actually pretty happy there is no after-life. If you really think about concepts of infinity a lot of things break down, and a lot of new things need to replace other things just to preserve other things. It`s all quite insane if you think about an after-life. Only a looney would think it`s possible. If you weren`t here before, then you won`t be here after you die.
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    Lumpychump Male 18-29
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    February 14, 2008 at 8:22 am
    Hey Patchouly - thank you for not insisting that theists are morons. I for one really appreciate your constructive tone. I`m sure it is infuriating at times, and your `faeries` story illustrates that well. I agree that as I grew up, I went to church because my parents did I disregarded the religion of my parents when I grew up. I literally grew out of it. Anyway, years later I had what I can only describe as a `religious experience` for which I can offer no tangible or scientific description of whatsoever, other than to say it changed my life and my attitude to Christianity. I know that there are plenty of people who just follow a faith without questioning it. I have questioned mine many times. But my faith does not rely on science, nor on other people`s opinions. I believe because I can`t not believe without losing my integrity. God is not just an abstract thought to me, with proofs and theories. He is reality. I won`t force my views on others, but nor can I deny them.
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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    February 14, 2008 at 8:22 am
    Snorgledork,

    I am unsure of what you mean by strict moral guidelines. There is no evidence at all that Christians are more moral, or happier than atheists. The inverse is actually true, indicated by higher arrest rates for Christians/Catholics, more divorces on Christian/Catholic sides, etc.

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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    February 14, 2008 at 8:22 am
    Oh, and imprisonment of Christians.
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    Midge210 Female 18-29
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    February 14, 2008 at 8:24 am
    yeah... what lumpychump said.
  78. Profile photo of Crowe
    Crowe Male 18-29
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    February 14, 2008 at 8:25 am
    ... belief, the opposing belief is given an equally negative `strength` to balance that belief, closing off related thought by restricting the possibilities of its freedom of flow. i scored 45, i`m complexly agnostic. i try to sit in the middle of all the see-saws, attempting not to unbalance any of them and keep a mind that is open to consider all belief of all varieties and extremes. not because `knowledge is power` or `faith is salvation`, but because we are small minded people and nothing more insightful.
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    wjones1119 Male 18-29
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    February 14, 2008 at 8:31 am
    "...should help those who are lost find there way back to reality, but the truth is, the brain washing that religion instills is so strong, often they just can`t be saved" - Patch.

    I am not going to even begin to get into my personal beliefs on this website, but all I would like to say is this: Double Standards.

    Judging by what you have been saying Patch, you are trying to do the exact same thing Christian Extremists are doing that makes you angry, which is "Save them." Why is it you believe that it is right, and just for you to go out and do this? For it is what you believe is right what should be believed. And, touching on an earlier topic, you are doing what you believe is right from your personal experience, which, according to others who have spoken, is a completely illogical argument with no basis at all in a logically functioning world.

    It is interesting to see people on both sides ripping into each other fruitlessly when they ultimately are using t

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    weirdhatgirl Female 18-29
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    February 14, 2008 at 8:31 am
    wow,....this video is so close minded,....i believe any thing is POSSIBLE, but not eveything is PROBABLE,...i always leave room for the unknown
  81. Profile photo of WolfStar
    WolfStar Female 18-29
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    February 14, 2008 at 8:33 am
    Heheh, I love being an Atheist...
  82. Profile photo of wjones1119
    wjones1119 Male 18-29
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    February 14, 2008 at 8:34 am
    ... the same mentality to go about doing it. Hooray for Humanity.
  83. Profile photo of Crowe
    Crowe Male 18-29
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    February 14, 2008 at 8:39 am
    those of you here preaching science; realise that you believe in science for the same reasons other people believe in religion or otherwise: you read/heard it explained by other people using moralistic/simple/scientific/etc. reasoning, reasoning allows anything to be conveyed in a convincing manner, for or against anything. `magic` is what science can`t explain, if science explained god(s) to exist and the funtionality of it all, would you be a devoute believer then? it would all be `reality` as explained by science. there is only what we see, everything else we take for granted.
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    Evil_Smurf Male 18-29
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    February 14, 2008 at 8:40 am
    patchouly: You used to have a good take on most things, but you`re really annoying me now, since you`re on the same belief-selling rant I usually see christian fundamentalists people pulling.
    You say there`s no tangiable proof for the existence of God, and we agree on this. There isn`t.
    However, there`s no evidence DISPROVING the existence of God either. Until we have scientific evidence of what caused Big Bang we just can`t know for certain. The origin of the universe is anyone`s guess, really.
    You`re just as ignorant as the ones you`re bringing down.

    Personally I`m far from spiritual, but I think I have a good sense of respect for other people`s beliefs. I just hate it when they preach it like some universal truth, "ramming it down people`s throat", as it`s called.
    I`m surprised noone has mentioned agnosticism yet.

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    Evil_Smurf Male 18-29
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    February 14, 2008 at 8:43 am
    ... except Crowe, but I disagree with your last post. Science can be proved, it`s result replicated by others. You can`t do this with faith, to keep it short.
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    Crowe Male 18-29
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    February 14, 2008 at 8:54 am
    that`s true, Evil_Smurf, science does deal with probabilities and it can define `laws` for it`s workings. yet over time we have had to generalise many of these laws and disregard others as we find exceptions to every rule. in time i personally believe we will see `science` and `faith` as insuficently accurate ways to describe aspects of our understanding of the universe we perceieve. i think science`s persistance in applying rules and limits of any kind to any of it`s methodology is its downfall in obtaining greater understanding, which they would in turn not be able to consider as `knowledge` as such due to the number of `chaotic` elements whci would be part of that understanding.
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    Crowe Male 18-29
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    February 14, 2008 at 8:54 am
    which*
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    sheeeeps Female 13-17
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    February 14, 2008 at 9:04 am
    im batpoo crazy and proud. see you in heaven kids.
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    AndyMathews Male 18-29
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    February 14, 2008 at 9:13 am
    Wahey! I`m Bats*it crazy. Better watch out guys, as a Christian apparently I look forward to the destruction of the human race!

    Matthew 19:18-19
    "Jesus replied, " `Do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not give false testimony, 19honor your father and mother,` and `love your neighbor as yourself.`"

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    Evil_Smurf Male 18-29
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    February 14, 2008 at 9:17 am
    Crowe: I don`t really believe in Chaos, to me everything is a network of cause and effect, and nothing is random. With all the variables I think you can calculate anything, but since we`re talking about millions of billions of variables, it`s probably not going to happen.
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    patchouly Male 40-49
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    February 14, 2008 at 9:25 am
    Again, I need to reiterate that I feel some folks need religion and that is ok.

    My explanation was intended to show how Atheists feel. We hear about Christians all the time. I`m not trying to save people, only show things from the other side and explain how "we" feel.

    I do not have blind faith in science. As I mentioned, I do not feel that science proves or disproves religion. I am looking at religion to stand on it`s own.

    I have some degree of respect for people who are religious in that they are strong in their convictions. I only wish they would have something other then "Because it`s true and that`s all there is to it" or "You want proof, look around you!" as an argument.

    *edit*
    I don`t feel all religious folks are like this of course...

    I have had some very deep conversations many times with some well thought out arguments. But it just seems that a large percentage of them are blind to it.

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    T3h-Wraith Male 13-17
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    February 14, 2008 at 9:28 am
    Uh, I scored 5....So yeah..
  93. Profile photo of Crowe
    Crowe Male 18-29
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    February 14, 2008 at 9:48 am
    Evil_Smurf, do you think human emotion (etc.) is purely down to extremely complex cause and effect of chemical and other nature? that`s what i was meaning by `chaos` really (amoung other things); `science` could explain everything one day, but only as much as faith. they would both change so much along the way that they would merge as one. like two people facing opposite directions trying to describe how the world works to one another. then over time the slowly turn towards one another until they are facing in the same direction, looking at the world in the same way. perspective defines perception.
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    neilyo Male 18-29
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    February 14, 2008 at 10:01 am
    Here`s a nice quote for you all: "I ascertain that we are both atheists, just that you believe in one less God than I. When you think about the reasons you do not believe in every other God, you will understand why I do not believe in yours."

    I don`t remember who said that, and in case you were wondering, I got a 0.

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    TheGuardian Male 18-29
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    February 14, 2008 at 10:09 am
    This test is completely absurd! What idiot made this test! Apparently I am Profoundly Delusional which is kinda funny cause Im gay and religion says Im going to hell so yeah... awesome work buddy!
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    snow113 Male 18-29
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    February 14, 2008 at 10:13 am
    I like how normal is between 0-45. Like this dude knows what normal is.
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    StphnHrrll Female 18-29
    434 posts
    February 14, 2008 at 10:25 am
    If all there is, is what scientist can tell us then how to you explain anything of the supernatural sort. I`ve had so many experiences with ghosts, God and Satan that I can`t help but to believe. I didn`t grow up in a religious home. I`ve been to church maybe 5 times in my whole life my beliefs are not based on "brainwashing"

    Guardian, gay people don`t go to hell the bible just calls it a sin which according to the bible would be no different than saying the Lord`s name in vain. Though personally I see nothing wrong with it.

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    angelicamber Female 18-29
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    February 14, 2008 at 10:52 am
    *Rolls eyes*
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    Venis Female 18-29
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    February 14, 2008 at 10:54 am
    I don`t care about what religion out of the thousands there are that anyone believes in.

    I just ask for anyone that is to open their eyes and see that religion and violence go hand in hand with each other. We can never live equally as long as people believe in any supernatural being. So many wars are fought, so many people die, in vain over something they have no clue about.

    I just wonder how any one could possibly ever think they are right. I never say I`m right about not believing, but I can say I live my life better than most religious. I`ve never been in trouble. Not violent. Not ignorant. I volunteer my time to a few different local and national organizations. I help anyone I can, and I generally care about people. I don`t need to be afraid of a god to do these things. I do them because I am a good person. That is what is hard to find in this world.

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    Shisi Male 18-29
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    February 14, 2008 at 10:58 am
    I like how people are spewing out paragraphs about how offended they are because of this movie. If this movie didn`t have some truth in it, then people wouldn`t be offended. Religion is nonsense.

    There is a mental disorder for people who see things that don`t exist. Maybe you should pick up some pills or something for that.

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    MagicMoose Male 13-17
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    February 14, 2008 at 11:03 am
    atheists: im cool with you
    atheists who call anyone who believes -even the smallest bit- in something that may not be true a retard: go kill yourself
  102. Profile photo of greengiant
    greengiant Male 13-17
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    February 14, 2008 at 11:04 am
    I`m completely behind Evil_Smurf here. look, practically no-one, on any side of the religion argument, starts to really see it from the other side`s view. ever. we all say that the other side doesnt even attempt to look at it from our view, but the neither do we. so how can we expect to agree on anything if we just shout and don`t listen? as someone on page 3 said, (i`ve forgotten the name and cant look back right now*) if someone`s found happiness then why should we and how could we try and tear it away from them? that would just make us horrible, bitter people i guess.
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    EvilM Male 13-17
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    February 14, 2008 at 11:05 am
    Wow. I feel strangely impressed by the level of passion and resoning all your arguments possess :-).

    I think the main problem here is simple- the argument has been broken down into two sides: religeous folk and athiests. This is wrong for a start. Surely it is wrong to place the rational, unintrussive philosophies of most religeous people who have no intentions of forcing their beliefs onto others in the same group as religeous terrorists.

    Religeon does not make the person. Many people just use religeon to keep their life in perspective. These people are persecuted as if they are terrorists. I`m not a religeous person, but I do know what it is to be persecuted for no reason(I`m a gay, ginger furry: take your pick).

    So basically what I`m trying to say is, if someone is religeous, that doesn`t mean that they`re crazy. If religeon makes them happy, surely nothing else really matters, so long as they don`t twist their beliefs to better suit themselves.

    Spread the love :-).

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    greengiant Male 13-17
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    February 14, 2008 at 11:06 am
    *VONLINE. and fair point EvilM and MagicMoose^
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    EvilM Male 13-17
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    February 14, 2008 at 11:08 am
    ^ and sorry for spelling religious wrong so many times.
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    greengiant Male 13-17
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    February 14, 2008 at 11:09 am
    and btw (last post on this i swear) religion is here for man, to make him happier and to help in his life, religion is not here for man, to be obeyed to the letter and limit one`s enjoyment.
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    greengiant Male 13-17
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    February 14, 2008 at 11:09 am
    * man is not here for religion, sorry
  108. Profile photo of Snorgledork
    Snorgledork Male 13-17
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    February 14, 2008 at 11:16 am
    To SPrinkZ,

    I meant that if Christians would actually follow the Bible the way it was meant to be, people would be kind, caring, considerate, nonjudgmental, and the list goes on.

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    Overmann Male 18-29
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    February 14, 2008 at 11:29 am
    SPrinkZ, you are sounding preachy and should stop, unless you can change your approach. Your ardent defense of atheism is appreciated - to an extent. Don`t pass yourself off as fundamentalist, because then you also pass yourself off as hypocritical.

    "By the way, there is no way to have atheist fundamentalism, considering that atheism has NOTHING TO DO WITH FUNDAMENTALS. Atheism is simply the denial of or disbelief of supernatural beings."

    Just because atheism is not usually fundamentalist does not mean it cannot also be dogmatic. I would argue any dogmatic belief is unjustifiable and dangerous, direction notwithstanding.

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    Overmann Male 18-29
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    February 14, 2008 at 11:29 am
    "All based around Richard Dawkins ridiculously hypocritical views."

    No, odeed. The presentation of that particular video was based solely on the disposition of its author. Dawkins would have disregarded the video wholesale for being arbitrary and unscientific. To my knowledge there is no known scale for how "deluded" one is by religion/God/faith. I consider Dawkins an important role model but that doesn`t mean I`m likely to produce a spiteful video about how deluded I feel people are by religion/God/faith, if at all.

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    Overmann Male 18-29
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    February 14, 2008 at 11:29 am
    "atheism is a religion too folks"

    Wrong, farquaadhnch. Atheism is not associated with the same practices as is a religion. If anything, atheism is comparable both to and not to faith. It is comparable to faith in that it is an assumption taken about the nature of the universe. It is *not* comparable to faith in that it is based off of a distinct lack of evidence and the rejection of superfluous explanations; faith does not meet the second criteria and is most often held due to "personal" beliefs or experiences.

    "Some folks need religion and that`s ok. But it gets jammed down our throats on a regular basis by folks who are trying to `save us`. Some of us atheists are just trying to `save you`."

    Careful, patchouly. I understand you are attempting to explain atheism in terms religionists can understand, but you are coming dangerously close to being presented as hypocritical to those who don`t understand what you`re doing.

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    Overmann Male 18-29
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    February 14, 2008 at 11:30 am
    "It just means we follow strict moral guidelines."

    Not true, Snorgledork. The role of Jesus in modern day Christianity is to forgive sins no matter how harmful they may be. If a person believes they are instantly forgiven for their digressions, what is to stop a person from repeatedly digressing? There is no natural incentive to be good. From another perspective, one who adheres to the Bible and claims they provide strict moral guidelines would necessarily have to be one who only *selectively* adheres to the morals in the Bible. Any religion based off a book that says it`s okay to rape (by entering her into a forced marriage) any given woman cannot be said to be strictly moral. In short, there is no definite correlation between morality and Christianity, but rather morality and character of the person. As history has seen, being Christian (or of any theistic religion) does not automatically qualify one as having good character.

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    Overmann Male 18-29
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    February 14, 2008 at 11:31 am
    And don`t try to claim that there is any particular way the Bible was meant to be followed: there are no such directions inherent in the Bible, thus allowing anyone to come up with their own arbitrary way. Interpretation of the Bible is left entirely up to the reader.
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    paramecium Female 18-29
    268 posts
    February 14, 2008 at 11:33 am
    I got 5 points due to question 5. They didn`t ask the question well. Extra knowledge through prayer or meditation not used by ordinary thinking? Well duh, meditation does have an effect on people this way. They didn`t say if it was affected by the supernatural.

    So my only points came from that question.

    Oh yeah, im not a theist and i find this offensive. I have a christian freind who would score very highly. He isnt fundie though and believes in god driven evolution.

  115. Profile photo of Overmann
    Overmann Male 18-29
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    February 14, 2008 at 11:35 am
    "if someone`s found happiness then why should we and how could we try and tear it away from them? that would just make us horrible, bitter people i guess."

    As Christopher Hitchens would say: "What an incredibly stupid question." If such happiness were found in the slaughter of innocents and the cannibalism of their corpses, how are we not justified in removing their capacity to experience such happiness? Your logic, in principle, does not work for every case and therefore doesn`t work. It doesn`t work for religion, either, because religion has proven itself dangerous time and time again. Not only through violence, but by the promotion of dangerous thought, as I`ll call it. So long as the faithful do not attempt to brainwash and raise children (or anyone) into their system of unsubstantiated beliefs and children discover the merits of religion through the rigors of the pursuit of truth, I`ll consider it peaceful. Until then, I will not.

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    CynicalDog Male 13-17
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    February 14, 2008 at 11:36 am
    hey i can see both sides, i mean my cousin is a freggin baptist (i still use freggin) anyway hes happy and im a happy individual who thinks he controls his life completely and doesnt "feel god" you can be happy either way i would say
  117. Profile photo of Overmann
    Overmann Male 18-29
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    February 14, 2008 at 11:41 am
    By the way, I feel I should point out that I do openly disrespect the idea of faith and religion. However, and I emphasize this, this does not mean that I disrespect the people. Just as Gandhi disrespected the British occupation of Indian territory and the ideology by which they ruled. I have nothing against religionists or the faithful so long as they can demonstrate they are not endangering others with their beliefs. By endanger I mean preventing someone from pursuing their own pursuit of truth.

    Lumpychump, I have nothing in particular against you but I do disrespect your belief. I feel it is perfectly possible for us to have a religious discussion while maintaining this disrespect. It does not prevent me from wanting to know more about why you believe as you do, specifically what your particular "religious experience" was. I`d like to know. You are fully encouraged to send me this information via private message.

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    Evil_Smurf Male 18-29
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    February 14, 2008 at 11:41 am
    Yes Crowe, I do believe you can calculate human emotion, theoretically. Not practically though, since we`re talking about an near infinite amount of variables.
    I don`t really see how faith and science can merge, given that the creation of the world is NOT brough forth by a higher being. If it is, however, faith will not be faith anymore, simply knowledge, so the two people in your example would not turn to face each other, one would turn to the other, depending on the objective truth.
    Maybe that`s what you`ve been saying all along, but that`s how I understood it.
  119. Profile photo of Overmann
    Overmann Male 18-29
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    February 14, 2008 at 11:45 am
    "He isnt fundie though and believes in god driven evolution."

    Another thing I disrespect is the disrespect of science and its standards and method. There simply is no God-driven evolution. Why? Because a supernatural element is not required in performing the mechanism by which evolution occurs, namely the differential success in the environment of various genetic mutations. It cannot be said that God controls genetic mutation because we know that chemistry governs that process. Unless God can be said to simultaneously maintain all the laws of chemistry and physics, keeping them in the predictable state as we know them, God cannot be said to govern or "drive" evolution.

    I`m not saying you believe that, paramecium, but it perturbs me all the same to see that written.

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    paramecium Female 18-29
    268 posts
    February 14, 2008 at 11:52 am
    "Unless God can be said to simultaneously maintain all the laws of chemistry and physics, keeping them in the predictable state as we know them, God cannot be said to govern or "drive" evolution."

    Well perhaps from a theists point of view, maybe the god is. The difficulty there, i suppose, that if you belive god can be separated from the universe at all. I have fun arguing that one with theists, omnipotence and omniscience.

    Naw im not a theist. My point is though, that someone can have quiet intense beliefs, but still see things ina more realistic way. I just can`t lump theists in those catagories the video suggests.

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    Evil_Smurf Male 18-29
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    February 14, 2008 at 11:59 am
    Actually, Overmann... Chemistry governs genetic mutation, and if you look at it from at religious point of view, God governs chemistry.
    Theoretically there can be such a thing as God-driven evolution, granted that there is a god. This however should not matter, since this god would be omnipotent and control the universe as a whole anyway.
    I`m not saying it makes sense, but from a religious standpoint, it`s all good.
  122. Profile photo of Crowe
    Crowe Male 18-29
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    February 14, 2008 at 11:59 am
    not turn to face each other, Evil_Smurf, read again. turn to face the same direction, so they stand side by side and face the same world. it is only a metaphor :) and i am not a skilled smith for speech. we are very two sided as humans; creative and destructive in the same mind, to put it broadly. balancing the perspectives could potentially give the clearest perception; faith not needing god or unearthly spirits and science abandoning mathematics and absolutes. science and religion could and would exist in their own light still, but conjoining their methods could give a whole new far grander way of thinking. like learning two roads link up in a foriegn town you are learning to walk around. (EvilM, you`re gay, ginger and furry too? :/ i thought i was the last)
  123. Profile photo of Mrs_C
    Mrs_C Female 18-29
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    February 14, 2008 at 11:59 am
    well, i am "batpoo" crazy. but i dont think its a bad thing. i dont believe that i am "scornworthy" or "unworthy of tolerance". I have strong beliefs. i feel sad for the guy who made this, he doesnt really know very much about religion. he kinda just takes the stereotypical views on it and distorts what it really means. God is NOT a magic genie. praying to him doesnt mean you are gonna get everything you want. but a lot of people think that is what Christians believe. sad. FYI, my husband is in school to be a preacher, so if you have any questions you`d like answered about religion im willing to answer them. dont worry, im not judgemental and i wont "condemn" you. thats a false view on christians. and to be honest most "christians" arent real christians anyway....they like to point and condemn others to take the view off of their own sinful lives. god bless!
  124. Profile photo of Overmann
    Overmann Male 18-29
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    February 14, 2008 at 12:05 pm
    I already anticipated such an objection, Evil_Smurf, and addressed it in my post accordingly. Read again and see that I did before you say `actually` as if I didn`t.

    The problem with that view, however, is that it is not reflected in evidence. Therefore, the view is no more strongly supported than the view that an invisible pink unicorn is controlling physical laws. When no stronger evidence exists that could bring the notion of God closer to governing such laws than any other entity, we must reject all such notions in the service of truth and conclude that none other than a natural explanation exists for the configuration of such laws. It is the only other alternative we have if we wish to remain as close to truth as possible in our pursuit of it.

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    Evil_Smurf Male 18-29
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    February 14, 2008 at 12:12 pm
    Metaphor, that`s the word. :) Well, I got it right, then.
    When I think about it I think about the two most extreme cases; Finding God, or finding that there is no god. To me, it`s one or the other, and once a conclusion is found faith is annihilated in any case, given that you can not believe in anything you know doesn`t exist.
    In that situation I don`t see how the to can merge.
    I also can`t see how faith can survive without the otherwordly, the unexplainable, since that`s what the entire system is based upon...?
    You`re talking about loosening the fundaments in both camps, but I don`t understand how any of the two will survive without the essentials.
  126. Profile photo of catbarf
    catbarf Male 18-29
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    February 14, 2008 at 12:12 pm
    A child is told that there is a Santa Claus.
    A child is told that there is a Tooth Fairy.
    A child is told that there is a God.

    Five years later-
    They are told there is no Santa Claus.
    They are told there is no Tooth Fairy.
    They are told there IS a God, and if you dare to defy him then you will burn in HELL forever!

    Now when you turn around and tell that child that A and B aren`t real, what reason is there to believe in C? All of the above have no basis in reality beyond the fact that they are all written in books.

    Now here`s the point:

    Theists expect us to tolerate their beliefs and not ridicule them. Wouldn`t you ridicule a forty-year-old man who fervently believes in Santa, the Tooth Fairy, fairies in the garden, and elves in the north pole? What difference is there?

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    Mrs_C Female 18-29
    40 posts
    February 14, 2008 at 12:14 pm
    i just read through a lot of the comments. how many of you have studied what you are writing about? please educate yourself before saying what you think. and dont go to a website that agrees with you! go to one that is opposite of what you think and see how they are stating it. its the best way to learn because you get to see what they actually believe! you arent getting a negative version of what they believe by someone who thinks just like you. im not saying that this will change your minds or anything, but it may help you to have more tolerance. please be smart before opening your mouths! (or typing on the keyboard)
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    Midge210 Female 18-29
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    February 14, 2008 at 12:16 pm
    huh... wow.
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    Overmann Male 18-29
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    February 14, 2008 at 12:19 pm
    Mrs_C, surely your post was not directed at me?
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    Mrs_C Female 18-29
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    February 14, 2008 at 12:21 pm
    lol, no way Overmann! i was mainly focused at the people who are rudely attacking each side. and speaking as a Christian, the christians who are attacking atheists need to hush. They arent acting like christians!
  131. Profile photo of Evil_Smurf
    Evil_Smurf Male 18-29
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    February 14, 2008 at 12:28 pm
    "The problem with that view, however, is that it is not reflected in evidence. Therefore, the view is no more strongly supported than the view that an invisible pink unicorn is controlling physical laws."

    The whole point in having faith is not needing evidence, the way I see it. God just happens to be the most popular candidate in western society.

    "Unless God can be said to simultaneously maintain all the laws of chemistry and physics, keeping them in the predictable state as we know them, God cannot be said to govern or "drive" evolution."

    Well, from a religious standpoint, God CAN be said to simultaneously maintain all the laws of chemistry and physics, which you quite firmly refuted when stating that "There simply is no God-driven evolution."

    Or did I get you wrong?

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    Crowe Male 18-29
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    February 14, 2008 at 12:29 pm
    everyone hates it when people don`t listen to them, yeah? those people not listening are being closed minded to your opinion. so why does nearly everyone find it so hard to open their mind to other people`s opinion being valid. be a little empathetic, think how it may be from their point of view. most people think alot more similar than it first appears. if you listen to someone you`re not saying they`re right or wrong, same as if someone listens to you. right and wrong are purely perspective, changing person to person and second to second. perception is just that and nothing more, we have no contract assuring us of what`s `real`. the matrix (i assume most people on here have seen it) is a perfectly possible situtation. it`s more likely that i (who has never won one of the many bets in my life) would win a trillion dollar jackpot tomorrow, but every possibility is to some tiny degree possible just `cos we imagined it. everything could be anything, don`t take it all for granted.
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    Mrs_C Female 18-29
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    February 14, 2008 at 12:31 pm
    everyone hates it when people don`t listen to them, yeah? those people not listening are being closed minded to your opinion. so why does nearly everyone find it so hard to open their mind to other people`s opinion being valid.


    well said.

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    Evil_Smurf Male 18-29
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    February 14, 2008 at 12:35 pm
    I agree with you on that, Crowe.
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    Mrs_C Female 18-29
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    February 14, 2008 at 12:40 pm
    We love because he first loved us. If anyone says, “I love God,” and hates his brother, he is a liar; for he who does not love his brother whom he has seen cannot love God whom he has not seen. And this commandment we have from him: whoever loves God must also love his brother.

    You Christians who are on here attacking others....this is John 4:19-31. If we truly love God, we will have the divine love in our heart which will cause us to see others the way God sees them. If we hate or despise others, we need to question how much we really love God.

    The one thing that really bothers me is when a "Christian" does not live up to the standard that Jesus has set for us. If you are Christian and you are attacking the ateists, you need to read the NT more. Scripture NEVER tells us to judge others. We are to witness to them and then let it go. Scripture actually tells us to judge other Christians so that they dont do sinful things....(like condemning others)

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    sumomonkey21 Male 13-17
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    February 14, 2008 at 12:41 pm
    tee hee. bat S-Hit crazy.
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    Mrs_C Female 18-29
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    February 14, 2008 at 12:42 pm
    oops..i meant "NEVER to condemn others beliefs"...my bad. lol
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    Crowe Male 18-29
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    February 14, 2008 at 12:50 pm
    Evil_Smurf :) i wish my mind was somewhat more like yours, i feel my `opinion` would no longer lack definition, making conveying it far easier, however taking from the acccuracy of the definition. the general idea i am trying to put across is that limiting our minds with saying things `are` a certain way, we limit the rest of our mind as we reason using what we know. if what we know is based on anything with set limits, our immense reasoning power limits other avenues of thought for our mind to travel. even if we `prove` things scientifically or believe them with an undying passion that does not make them so. saying that does not mean anything is not so either, it means that anything could be so, anytime, anywhere, regardless of eveything that says otherwise, in my humble `opinion`. i just asked that we all remain open minded to one another and not blinded by fear and arrogance. (just what i think gives us presumptions)
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    catbarf Male 18-29
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    February 14, 2008 at 12:52 pm
    Well, Mrs_C, I`m sure they`re just not following that passage of the Bible. There`s so much in the Bible that`s absolutely horrific that to follow it is madness.
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    Gulch Male 18-29
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    February 14, 2008 at 12:53 pm
    Ok.. That was pointles.. The makes of this video is obviously an atheist.
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    Mur-is-bored Female 13-17
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    February 14, 2008 at 12:54 pm
    Didn`t even bother reading the comments. I know that they`re probably full of bullpoo, just like this quiz was.
    I`m only 15, and NOT a "Bible-thumping Christian". People have even told me that I`m reasonable in my beliefs. I respect all religious groups, even atheists. Just because you don`t have the same beliefs doesn`t mean that you shouldn`t be respected.
    Bottom line is, I`m highly, highly offended. Yeah, I got a 100,016,095. And I`m not ashamed of that. It doesn`t mean I`m crazy. I`m sure there once was a time when NON-believers were considered crazy by the majority of society. Just like blacks and jews and gays were considered "less human" than anyone else, and that`s what is wrong with society. Whoever made that quiz is just as close-minded as any "Bible Thumping Christian Fanatic". Honestly, in my opinion, people need to grow up, respect each other regardless of religious beliefs, sexual orientation, race, ect. and live our lives happily wit
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    Mur-is-bored Female 13-17
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    February 14, 2008 at 12:56 pm
    out annoying each other
  143. Profile photo of Evil_Smurf
    Evil_Smurf Male 18-29
    716 posts
    February 14, 2008 at 12:57 pm
    Open-mindedness is key, I think. I lean heavily towards science in this issue, but since science cannot prove everything yet, I`m not closing any doors. I don`t personally believe in any higher power, but that doesn`t mean there isn`t one, outside my realm of knowledge and reason. I do think that things are a certain way, until proven otherwise.
    Narrow minds are key for ruining discussions like this, anyway. :)
  144. Profile photo of monktoast
    monktoast Male 18-29
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    February 14, 2008 at 12:58 pm
    Question1: do you believe this world created its own perfect harmony? +50,000 points that you are a deluded humanist.

    question 2: Do you believe, that if there is no God, that you can rightly form your own free thoughts? That you are a free being, even though your thoughts are not actually random chemical amalgamations in your autonomous brain that is a slave to its own evolution? +100,000 points if yes.

    If you answered yes to one or both, you are a deluded naturalist humanist whose paradox in their oxymoron universe is laughable.

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    catbarf Male 18-29
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    February 14, 2008 at 1:11 pm
    I say no to both. The Earth is in no way in harmony, and conscious thought is no more than chemical shifts. But that doesn`t devalue the human mind.
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    catbarf Male 18-29
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    February 14, 2008 at 1:13 pm
    Smurf, the fact that religion cannot be disproved is no basis for rational thought. As the oft-repeated question goes: Would you believe that God is a flying spaghetti monster, simply because there is no proof against it?

    You reject things that have no proof. Anything else is completely irrational.

  147. Profile photo of Bekll
    Bekll Female 18-29
    1984 posts
    February 14, 2008 at 1:27 pm
    I`m normal, yay! Zero points! Duh... I`m an atheist.

    Anyone who says yes to #9 - that the nonreligious will be tortured after death - can go suck eggs.

    Anyone who says yes to #11 - evolution is fact. Deal with it.

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    Bekll Female 18-29
    1984 posts
    February 14, 2008 at 1:29 pm
    "All based around Richard Dawkins ridiculously hypocritical views."

    *laughs* You`re an ignoramus. Classic fundie saying.

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    theburford Male 13-17
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    February 14, 2008 at 1:34 pm
    lol, I got profoundly deluded
    can`t think of words to say to describe what I`m thinking...
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    bmanthe2 Male 13-17
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    February 14, 2008 at 1:39 pm
    I love how the religious themed posts get so many hits and so many replies...
  151. Profile photo of Evil_Smurf
    Evil_Smurf Male 18-29
    716 posts
    February 14, 2008 at 1:39 pm
    catbarf, I think the FSM is just as likely to have created the universe as God is. Not very likely, but it`s still a possibility. I never claimed that the idea of god is rational, but it`s an idea nonetheless.
    When it comes to the creation of the universe, your guess is as good as mine, or any theist`s.
  152. Profile photo of Bekll
    Bekll Female 18-29
    1984 posts
    February 14, 2008 at 1:39 pm
    "However, there`s no evidence DISPROVING the existence of God either."
    One can`t prove a negative. BURDEN OF EVIDENCE IS ON THE POSITIVE CLAIM. Theists have none - so atheism is the rational position.
  153. Profile photo of Bekll
    Bekll Female 18-29
    1984 posts
    February 14, 2008 at 1:43 pm
    "and btw (last post on this i swear) religion is here for man, to make him happier and to help in his life, religion is not here for man, to be obeyed to the letter and limit one`s enjoyment."

    What about females?

  154. Profile photo of Bekll
    Bekll Female 18-29
    1984 posts
    February 14, 2008 at 1:46 pm
    catbarf, there is no difference at all.
  155. Profile photo of catbarf
    catbarf Male 18-29
    1455 posts
    February 14, 2008 at 1:53 pm
    "catbarf, I think the FSM is just as likely to have created the universe as God is. Not very likely, but it`s still a possibility. I never claimed that the idea of god is rational, but it`s an idea nonetheless.
    When it comes to the creation of the universe, your guess is as good as mine, or any theist`s."

    What you state would be entirely true if there were no evidence for any theories about the creation of Man and Earth at all. This is not the case. There is not only evidence for evolution, there is also evidence for the Big Bang and other possibilities. It`s one thing to make up your own mind when nobody really knows. It`s another to ignore something that has scientific backing, and go believe something with no evidence at all.

  156. Profile photo of Overmann
    Overmann Male 18-29
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    February 14, 2008 at 1:53 pm
    "The whole point in having faith is not needing evidence, the way I see it."

    Which is intellectual grounds for faith`s dismissal. It`s not as if faith claims don`t need evidence, it`s merely that faith claims *have* no evidence and those faithful are comfortable with this fact because they`re more comfortable with the freedoms that such thoughts provide. For instance, it`s comforting to believe in a benevolent God and that all injustices in life are later corrected. This belief is comforting to the point where all other notions that render this belief unrealistic are simply ignored. It`s not intellectually honest and I, at least, therefore dismiss that excuse for what it is: an excuse to continue believing as one wishes. Evidence is needed and necessary for *every* positive claim - some just choose to ignore that idea.

  157. Profile photo of Evil_Smurf
    Evil_Smurf Male 18-29
    716 posts
    February 14, 2008 at 1:54 pm
    What caused the Big Bang, then?
  158. Profile photo of Overmann
    Overmann Male 18-29
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    February 14, 2008 at 1:54 pm
    "It`s one thing to make up your own mind when nobody really knows. It`s another to ignore something that has scientific backing, and go believe something with no evidence at all."

    Quoted for truth.

  159. Profile photo of Evil_Smurf
    Evil_Smurf Male 18-29
    716 posts
    February 14, 2008 at 1:56 pm
    "Which is intellectual grounds for faith`s dismissal."

    Agreed.

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    Overmann Male 18-29
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    February 14, 2008 at 1:57 pm
    "What caused the Big Bang, then?"

    I don`t know, but that doesn`t mean it didn`t happen as is suggested by the evidence. I don`t need to know what caused the Big Bang in order to comprehend that it happened. I`d *like* to know, but I accept the limits of science as of today. Hopefully advances in technology will further illuminate that mystery, but until then my conviction that the Big Bang occurred is not doubted.

  161. Profile photo of Bekll
    Bekll Female 18-29
    1984 posts
    February 14, 2008 at 1:58 pm
    "What caused the Big Bang, then?"
    Currently, we don`t know. But this doesn`t mean by default there is a sky-daddy. That`s called "god of the gaps".
  162. Profile photo of Evil_Smurf
    Evil_Smurf Male 18-29
    716 posts
    February 14, 2008 at 1:59 pm
    I`m not questioning that the Big Bang occured, I am of this belief myself. I too hope that science and research will find what happened, but until then, I`m not taking sides.
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    Forti Female 18-29
    26 posts
    February 14, 2008 at 2:09 pm
    IT`S OVER NINE THOUSAAAAAAAAAAAND

    jk, I`m atheist. But it`s the first thing that came to my mind. xD

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    TomSFox Male 18-29
    732 posts
    February 14, 2008 at 2:11 pm
    Baalthazaq, please understand science before you talk bullsh-it!
  165. Profile photo of Overmann
    Overmann Male 18-29
    2600 posts
    February 14, 2008 at 2:16 pm
    I use to consider myself agnostic, until I realized a far more powerful route to truth could be found in atheism. By saying some things cannot be known, agnosticism offers no intuitive or inherent route to discovering truth. In essence, agnosticism is a conclusion and not a method. One could reasonably only resort to agnosticism, if indeed they desired to pursue truth, if they tried first discovering what that truth is. If they make no attempt, their claim of agnosticism has no merit. On the other hand, atheism provides a method for at least attempting to uncover truth by looking at the relationship between truth and evidence. That which is true, it reasons, is reflected in evidence by virtue of it being true and it remains for us only to interpret it. By analyzing the evidence, we can with confidence approach truth while ensuring that we reject claims for which there is no proof. Atheism provides an active mechanism for uncovering truth.
  166. Profile photo of Overmann
    Overmann Male 18-29
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    February 14, 2008 at 2:19 pm
    I should state that as we uncover more about our existence and the universe, we`ll uncover more pools of evidence and in time add to our reservoirs of knowledge. Truth reflected in evidence may only represent a smidgen of the actual truth out there, and there is possibly a margin of error, but being confident in even a smidgen of truth is better than not knowing anything at all, in my view. That`s where I stand, at least.

    Well that`s lovely, I`ve went on a posting fit. I`ll let posts accumulate for a while before I say anything more.

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    Hansbo Male 18-29
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    February 14, 2008 at 2:19 pm
    I am 0 :)
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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    February 14, 2008 at 2:20 pm
    "Question1: do you believe this world created its own perfect harmony? +50,000 points that you are a deluded humanist."

    Answer: No. The planet has no harmony. That`s why we have MASS EXTINCTIONS!

    "question 2: Do you believe, that if there is no God, that you can rightly form your own free thoughts? That you are a free being, even though your thoughts are not actually random chemical amalgamations in your autonomous brain that is a slave to its own evolution? +100,000 points if yes."

    -- This is super stupid. You think the magic pixie fairy makes you think and that you are a slave to his whim? Hahahahaha. If he`s so powerful and I am not thinking for myself, why doesn`t he just MAKE me believe in him?

    FAIL.

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    catbarf Male 18-29
    1455 posts
    February 14, 2008 at 2:21 pm
    "I`m not questioning that the Big Bang occured, I am of this belief myself. I too hope that science and research will find what happened, but until then, I`m not taking sides."

    That`s just it. It`s not taking sides. That terminology suggests they each have their own equal weight with each other. They don`t. There is no proof for theism being even remotely correct, so the logical choice is to dismiss it.

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    TomSFox Male 18-29
    732 posts
    February 14, 2008 at 2:21 pm
    farquaadhnch, atheism is NOT a religion you retard!
    It`s the OPPOSITE of religion!
    Would you also say that joblessness is a job too?

    Anyway, a religion that opresses homosexuals and other people and that wants their bullsh-it taught in schools deserves NO RESPECT WHATSOEVER!

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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
    2284 posts
    February 14, 2008 at 2:22 pm
    Feel bad for that Baal kid. He`s really stupid.
  172. Profile photo of SPrinkZ
    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
    2284 posts
    February 14, 2008 at 2:24 pm
    Also, the next person who says atheist fundmentalism gets to smash their hand with a hammer.

    There is no such thing as a fundamental atheist. There is no such thing as a fundamental pacifist.
    There is no such thing as fundamental baldness.

    etc. etc.

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    neilyo Male 18-29
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    February 14, 2008 at 2:25 pm
    IMO, this entire battle between atheists and theists is based mainly on both sides stereotyping the other side. Many theists see atheists as being God-hating, liberal commies; while many atheists see theists as being narrow-minded, bigoted nazis. The fact of the matter is that there are a few people who ruined it for everyone else by fitting in to these stereotypes and being famous for it. For example, atheists use the Westboro Baptist Church and Islamic extremists as an example of all religious people, not to mention people that they have had their own experiences with who try to shove religion down their throat. And theists use people like Richard Dawkins as an example of all atheists and their own experiences of people trying to dissuade them from their original belief.

    I am an atheist and I just tell you what I believe, but I will never tell you that you are idiotic and wrong because Man is not infallible, so therefore nothing we ever say can be absolutely proven 100% correct.

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    neilyo Male 18-29
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    February 14, 2008 at 2:26 pm
    ^and thus ends my rant for the day
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    jdeanmerc Male 18-29
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    February 14, 2008 at 2:30 pm
    Wow ignorance and non-tolerism has reached a new high for the human race... Good going. Way to be bias.
  176. Profile photo of SPrinkZ
    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
    2284 posts
    February 14, 2008 at 2:30 pm
    Neilyo. If nothing you say can be proven absolutely 100% correct, then why the hell did you even say what you did?

    Some things in life are so approximately to 100% that we shouldn`t even bother saying that it`s ALMOST 100%. Evolution, gravity, quantum mechanics, atomic theory, electromagnetism, etc, these are all things that we know are facts, until we are proven wrong, and so far we haven`t. The worst that a theory ever undergoes is revisions and changes, and so far we`ve done a good job.

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    neilyo Male 18-29
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    February 14, 2008 at 2:32 pm
    I never said that I said was absolutely 100% correct, if you will notcie, that is just my opinion on the matter.
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    neilyo Male 18-29
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    February 14, 2008 at 2:32 pm
    what I said*
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    Evil_Smurf Male 18-29
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    February 14, 2008 at 2:33 pm
    "That terminology suggests they each have their own equal weight with each other."

    For everything else in the entire universe, rationality says there is no god. I agree with this. But before Big Bang, we still have no idea, or do we? For all I personally know, a flying spaghetti monster just might`ve set everything up and unleashed the big boom. Prove that statement wrong, I`ll gladly accept it. Prove it right, and I`ll gladly accept that too.
    It must be because I live in little neutral Sweden :)

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    TGPZarquon Male 30-39
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    February 14, 2008 at 2:33 pm
    It`s obvious from the "Batpoo crazy" that this is for humor purposes. However, it would have been interesting if it was a more unbiased questionere, and high points were not awarded for positively answering questions that include the words "may," "sometimes," and "it is possible." A closed mind is a closed mind, be it liberal or conservative.
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    neilyo Male 18-29
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    February 14, 2008 at 2:34 pm
    ^lol @ Evil Smurf, gotta love the Flying Spaghetti Monster argument
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    Johnny_Blaze Male 18-29
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    February 14, 2008 at 2:45 pm
    I created the Universe and the big bang when I farted after eating taco bell. Worship me before I stink up your homes with beany farts of goodness from taco bell.
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    Overmann Male 18-29
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    February 14, 2008 at 2:45 pm
    Scratch my very last statement.

    neilyo, I for one do not have a misrepresentation of religionists in my discussions about them and why the faith they have is wrong. Certainly I`m not of the opinion that I am because I misperceive religionists as all associable with the Westboro Baptist Church`s radical views. No, my opinions cling to the very heart of religionists` arguments, namely those of faith claims, which all the faithful, by definition, possess.

    I don`t appreciate all this negativity towards Richard Dawkins. He is not the fundamentalist people make him out to be, as is demonstrated by this audio clip of a debate he had with Madeline Bunting, whoever she may be. It`s a very constructive, diplomatic dialog in which Dawkins makes his case quite reasonably.

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    LemonTarte Female 18-29
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    February 14, 2008 at 2:48 pm
    I think Koala Meat Pie is my hero.

    According to this video I`m Normal.

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    becky_boo99 Female 18-29
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    February 14, 2008 at 2:49 pm
    all hail johnny blaze, please don`t stink my home!
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    becky_boo99 Female 18-29
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    February 14, 2008 at 2:49 pm
    hahaha
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    catbarf Male 18-29
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    February 14, 2008 at 2:50 pm
    "For everything else in the entire universe, rationality says there is no god. I agree with this. But before Big Bang, we still have no idea, or do we? For all I personally know, a flying spaghetti monster just might`ve set everything up and unleashed the big boom. Prove that statement wrong, I`ll gladly accept it. Prove it right, and I`ll gladly accept that too.
    It must be because I live in little neutral Sweden :)"

    Again, you miss the point. I don`t need to prove something false. The burden of evidence is on you to prove it true. There is sufficient evidence for the Big Bang and evolution, and thus they are accepted. There is no proof for a Flying Spaghetti Monster causing the Big Bang, so until there is proof for such a concept it is dismissed. Any scientific claim as to the causation of the Big Bang is similarly discarded, unless supported with evidence.

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    Johnny_Blaze Male 18-29
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    February 14, 2008 at 2:52 pm
    Becky Boo you are forgiven and will now enjoy a life of peace and happiness. And good aromas.
  189. Profile photo of neilyo
    neilyo Male 18-29
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    February 14, 2008 at 2:53 pm
    Overmann, not everything applies to everyone in what I said, there are obviously exceptions. And as for Richard Dawkins: I support him, I just feel that many theists believe he tries to force atheism into them. But then again, I wouldn`t know that for sure, not being religious.

    But I reiterate: this is all one persons opinion, and, as the saying goes: "Opinions are like belly buttons, everyone has one."

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    Evil_Smurf Male 18-29
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    February 14, 2008 at 2:58 pm
    "There is no proof for a Flying Spaghetti Monster causing the Big Bang, so until there is proof for such a concept it is dismissed."

    There is no proof for ANY cause of the Big Bang, so until something else is proven right, the FSM or God stands just as valid as a possibility, correct?

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    insaneee Female 13-17
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    February 14, 2008 at 3:00 pm
    Lol, 5.
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    Vogt Male 13-17
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    February 14, 2008 at 3:01 pm
    It`s supposed to inflammatory and insulting.

    Duh? It`s called "The God Delusion" quiz thing. If you`re a christian or otherwise religious person, why take it if you know you`re going to be offended?

    I mean, really.

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    Evil_Smurf Male 18-29
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    February 14, 2008 at 3:02 pm
    ^^^^ It WAS posted in the "funny" category.
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    Clarkie_3 Female 13-17
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    February 14, 2008 at 3:05 pm
    This is rude and biased. Too ridiculous to pay any mind to anyhow.
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    BikerTeen Male 13-17
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    February 14, 2008 at 3:06 pm
    dang over night 191 post nice!
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    LazyMe484 Male 18-29
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    February 14, 2008 at 3:07 pm
    HAHA!! nice post. I thought it was legit at first until the guy started going nuts with the points.
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    boredfjord Male 13-17
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    February 14, 2008 at 3:16 pm
    The reason Dawkins isn`t an evangelist is that he`s willing to reevaluate his opinions if new evidence were to surface that contradicted his current beliefs. What makes Christians and other religious persons so stupid is that they try to back up their arguments with faith. That`s just proposterous, because faith can be used as an argument to defend literally ANY claim, no matter how absurd.
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    boredfjord Male 13-17
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    February 14, 2008 at 3:20 pm
    And to evil smurf, God and FSM aren`t valid causes of the big bang, because are yet to be supported by evidence. While all theories of the cause of the big bang are definitely questionable, as is the big bang theory itself, they are supported by observable reality.
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    zoinks Male 13-17
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    February 14, 2008 at 3:25 pm
    im sitting at a steady 0 points..
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    videogamer Male 18-29
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    February 14, 2008 at 3:28 pm
    15.
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    catbarf Male 18-29
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    February 14, 2008 at 3:31 pm
    "There is no proof for ANY cause of the Big Bang, so until something else is proven right, the FSM or God stands just as valid as a possibility, correct?"

    Just as valid in that they are completely invalid.

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    babidee Female 18-29
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    February 14, 2008 at 3:32 pm
    you are bat$hit crazy

    lmao

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    catbarf Male 18-29
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    February 14, 2008 at 3:34 pm
    Me?
  204. Profile photo of Evil_Smurf
    Evil_Smurf Male 18-29
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    February 14, 2008 at 3:38 pm
    "God and FSM aren`t valid causes of the big bang, because are yet to be supported by evidence."

    I personally have yet to come by any OTHER theory, backed by evidence or not. As I`ve said time and time again, if anything else comes by, I`m happy to accept it, since the idea behind God or any other higher being is ridiculous.
    However, until I hear about it, anything is still a POSSIBILITY.

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    LazyMe484 Male 18-29
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    February 14, 2008 at 3:44 pm
    ^ why would you be looking for a 3rd theory?
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    Evil_Smurf Male 18-29
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    February 14, 2008 at 3:44 pm
    "Just as valid in that they are completely invalid."

    True, but not more invalid than anything else. And even IF we find the cause of the Big Bang, faith doesn`t have to stop there, depending on the finding. The only thing that can convince me that there is a higher being is that we can with scientific evidence prove it`s existance.
    The only thing that can convince me that there ISN`T a higher being is if we can fit everything into a universal equation, or something along those lines, and no higher power is part of it.

  207. Profile photo of horn4231
    horn4231 Male 18-29
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    February 14, 2008 at 3:57 pm
    reading these discussions is the most frustrating thing in the world.
  208. Profile photo of catbarf
    catbarf Male 18-29
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    February 14, 2008 at 3:57 pm
    "However, until I hear about it, anything is still a POSSIBILITY."

    And just because it is a possibility does not mean you need to accept it as credible. It`s entirely POSSIBLE that whenever no one`s looking at a dollar bill, it turns into a hamster. That doesn`t mean it`s logical, sane, valid, or at all plausible.

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    Alexy_Walexy Male 18-29
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    February 14, 2008 at 4:01 pm
    Does anyone know any kind of site devoted to this disscusion? I mean a good site with a set of forums where people may disscuss their views on the matter and own views. The kind of place where those views would be listened to. I don`t mind if people are biased and subjective.. we`re human, its what we do. So does anyone know of a place?
  210. Profile photo of horn4231
    horn4231 Male 18-29
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    February 14, 2008 at 4:04 pm
    there are facebook groups out the wazoo where people discuss this stuff. but, its basically the same as this forum. no real discussion, just stubborn people saying the same thing back and forth.
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    Evil_Smurf Male 18-29
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    February 14, 2008 at 4:08 pm
    "That doesn`t mean it`s logical, sane, valid, or at all plausible."

    Not at all, but if you`re being picky about it, still a possibility. I also never stated that intelligent design is credible, I did state the opposite, however. I merely said it`s a possibility. And given the scope of the question, the true origin of the universe, I`d say it`s a fairly good one. It`s an easy way out.

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    Snorgledork Male 13-17
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    February 14, 2008 at 4:15 pm
    "If a person believes they are instantly forgiven for their digressions, what is to stop a person from repeatedly digressing?"

    I`m sorry, Overmann, but you seem to have not done enough research. Those who are forgiven are those who love Jesus. And Jesus says quite plainly in John 14:21, "Whoever has my commands and obeys them, he is the one who loves me." Therefore we follow the laws of Jesus (Love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind, and with all your strength, and love your neighbor as yourself)

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    Alexy_Walexy Male 18-29
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    February 14, 2008 at 4:16 pm
    Lol ok, thanks anyway. I mean i`ve been watching IAB for almost a year now but never made an acount and these things never get anywhere... Not that it HAS to get anywhere (personaly I enjoy a good debate every so often, and I asume thats why some people join in here)but no-body is likely to change eachothers minds. Thats mostly because the people posting here are not posting to consider other people beliefs, they are posting to defend their own. Maybe if there was a site it could be a good place for someone actually questioning their beleifs to go..
  214. Profile photo of horn4231
    horn4231 Male 18-29
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    February 14, 2008 at 4:18 pm
    ^^^
    i quit replying to overmann`s posts a while back, its somewhat pointless.

    shouldn`t it be transgressing, though, instead of digressing? unless digressing has another definition i`m not aware of....

    john 14:21 is great, though.

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    catbarf Male 18-29
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    February 14, 2008 at 4:35 pm
    "I`m sorry, Overmann, but you seem to have not done enough research. Those who are forgiven are those who love Jesus. And Jesus says quite plainly in John 14:21, "Whoever has my commands and obeys them, he is the one who loves me." Therefore we follow the laws of Jesus (Love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind, and with all your strength, and love your neighbor as yourself)"

    So you recommend people follow Deuteronomy 13:12-18, and if they find a non-believer in a town, they should kill all the inhabitants of the town (not just the non-believers) and burn their possessions and never rebuild the town?

    The Bible is saying that slaughtering innocents is your ticket to eternal paradise. If that isn`t terrifying, nothing is.

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    Adyckt Male 18-29
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    February 14, 2008 at 4:57 pm
    i didn`t even realize how this "test" was fake until about half way in when it started giving out 600 points...and then 100,000,000 points...i was like wtf?

    and yeah, believing in satan gives you 600...nice.

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    procker14 Female 18-29
    509 posts
    February 14, 2008 at 5:32 pm
    I myself am Agnostic, always have been always will be.

    There is no way to destroy christianity.
    No matter how much war, death, and destruction has been caused by religion, it has given hope, healing, and understand to alot of those left behind.

    Religion can`t really be proved wrong, because for people who do believe in it, it`s not about the stone cold facts or the scientific method.

    There is SO much in this world that cannot be scientifically explained.

    You can`t throw it all away.


    I do hate the bible thumpers though, trying to cram religion and personal belief down peoples throats is just stupid.

  218. Profile photo of Eichenkatze
    Eichenkatze Male 18-29
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    February 14, 2008 at 5:32 pm
    ""
    Same in my boat. Started giving like 100,000,000 points and 600 or something.. it`s like.. alright.. No. This is just propaganda. They call it a "God delusion" and it just starts to beat down on religions and all those who follow one before even giving the ratings, which isn`t right. But again, it does show a valid point in "Batpoo crazy" albeit in some odd way..
    Meh, ah well. I scored 30! Yay! haha
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    ball_dogg_49 Male 18-29
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    February 14, 2008 at 5:40 pm
    batpoo crazy


    hahahha!

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    Crowe Male 18-29
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    February 14, 2008 at 5:45 pm
    one budhist, one muslim and one christian (for the sake of arguement they`re all of the same gender, male or female) are all that`s left of humanity and are sat on a desert island discussing who`s right. who is? or equally, as quantum mechanics did come up earlier, does `the observer influence the world by looking at it`? does belief make reality? just a couple of convo items :)
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    Camira Male 18-29
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    February 14, 2008 at 5:54 pm
    I like wry humour.
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    xViTAMiN22 Male 18-29
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    February 14, 2008 at 5:57 pm
    This is sooo funny... Bat-poo crazy.. hahaha!

    Just it needed to be shorter.

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    stumped4ever Male 13-17
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    February 14, 2008 at 6:06 pm
    yeah the guy at the end... richard dawkins, hes the guy from oxford university who made the documentary "the god delusion, the root of all evil" or something like that.
  224. Profile photo of Overmann
    Overmann Male 18-29
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    February 14, 2008 at 6:18 pm
    "Whoever has my commands and obeys them, he is the one who loves me."

    "Those who are forgiven are those who love Jesus."

    Your Bible verse says nothing about forgiveness, only that those who obey Jesus` commands are those who love them. It says nothing about Jesus` feelings toward them, especially in the afterlife. Or am I not supposed to be taking the verse so literally? ...Perhaps you should dig deeper for a more pertinent verse.

    "i quit replying to overmann`s posts a while back, its somewhat pointless."

    It`s funny you should use the word "pointless", horn4231, because as of yet you have not posted any points of your own in that last topic (you know which one), or even tried to refute any of mine. All in all, these discussions are not pointless; it`s venting. It`s exercise. It`s educational, or at least I`d like them to be. You don`t seem to have much to contribute.

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    Overmann Male 18-29
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    February 14, 2008 at 6:21 pm
    By the way, `to digress` means to sway or turn away from course, in my case from a course of perceived moral living. To transgress is to sway or turn into, such as to drive through a fence into private property. If you view sins as transgressions against God, then that works. Personally, I don`t believe in God and therefore see immoral acts as digressions from moral living, moral living being defined by consensus or societal rules.
  226. Profile photo of goodbye777
    goodbye777 Male 13-17
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    February 14, 2008 at 6:31 pm
    Wow, someone critiquing religion. How original.
  227. Profile photo of cerebrus000
    cerebrus000 Male 13-17
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    February 14, 2008 at 6:39 pm
    This video is God-hating and wrong. This is clearly an attack on my beliefs and is hateful. This video does not need to be on i-am-bored as it is wrong and is mocking my religion. I would never post a video so hateful because it is so closed-minded that all it does is demean others. Why did I-am-bored accept this hateful video in the first place? It is neither funny or entertaining. Take your bigot views elsewhere and keep ithem off of this site.
  228. Profile photo of catbarf
    catbarf Male 18-29
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    February 14, 2008 at 6:50 pm
    Would you make fun of and demean a middle-aged man who believes in Santa and the Tooth Fairy? Yes? Well then God is fair game too. Piss off.
  229. Profile photo of FloridaSnow
    FloridaSnow Male 18-29
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    February 14, 2008 at 7:03 pm
    I reaally don`t give a poo if you believe in some supernatural poo. Go ahead!We can believe what you want. If you believe in something other than what I belive, cool go ahead =]. Just don`t go around telling me your`e ideas because I don`t care- from a nihilistic athiest

    P.S HAPPPYYYYYYY VALENSZTIENZV DAYT

  230. Profile photo of Shiruba
    Shiruba Male 18-29
    108 posts
    February 14, 2008 at 7:51 pm
    its always the same thing.

    the god people writes in perfect english, pretend to be uber-polite and understanding, just to show how divine they are. pfft. this video is a joke, if you cant understand this, its easy to get why you believe that somebody or something made everything.

    anyone that scored more than zero should be batpoo.

  231. Profile photo of ixl911ixl
    ixl911ixl Male 18-29
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    February 14, 2008 at 7:53 pm
    Wtf...
    You have got to be kidding me -.-
    I don`t normally post anything but this is the most offensive trash i`ve ever seen.
    What an ecotistic bey otch
    "you believe what there is nothing on this world to support" What about the bible jackas?

    Have fun burning in hell.

  232. Profile photo of Stentorian
    Stentorian Male 13-17
    425 posts
    February 14, 2008 at 7:55 pm
    This made me cry because I love God. |-(

    Oh wait no.

    Nevermind.

    It seems as if a score of "zero" means the opposite of what I said above..

    Seriously though, I agree with FloridaSnow..."If you believe in something other than what I belive, cool go ahead =]. Just don`t go around telling me your`e ideas because I don`t care- from a nihilistic athiest"

  233. Profile photo of Overmann
    Overmann Male 18-29
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    February 14, 2008 at 8:00 pm
    Yes, what *about* the Bible? Man-made evidence is as good as no evidence at all, because it`d only point to man-made truths.
  234. Profile photo of mrpopenfresh
    mrpopenfresh Male 18-29
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    February 14, 2008 at 8:08 pm
    Most people don`t see the philosophical side of religion like it was supposed to be. Instead, people are just looking at the "invisible dude who knows everything" bit. I am not a religious man, but to knock somethign straight on its ass is disrespectful and ignorant. I reckon you need to talk to some theologists.
  235. Profile photo of SPrinkZ
    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    February 14, 2008 at 9:26 pm
    Yeah, let`s talk to the guys who study the the magic fairy god.
  236. Profile photo of SPrinkZ
    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    February 14, 2008 at 9:26 pm
    study the magic fairy god*
  237. Profile photo of Zerocyde
    Zerocyde Male 18-29
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    February 14, 2008 at 10:40 pm
    ATTENTION: It`s made by a non-believer and for non-believers. So don`t think its some drating scientific accurate test and then start screaming and crying when it says you`re batpoo crazy.

    Its just a little something for us non-believers to get a chuckle out of. All you believers just skip and goto the next link, lol.

  238. Profile photo of penguinfogel
    penguinfogel Male 18-29
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    February 14, 2008 at 11:15 pm
    K as I said before trollers need strung up by their balls and SprinkZ needs to be the first one strung. :P

    And since everyone else is weighing in I just wanted to point out many scientists cant come to a concensus on many issues and for certain theories that have imperical data behind them to be true we would have to alter our current understanding of the universe.

    Some of these theories are string theory, multi layered universes. Parralel worlds..... list goes on.

    me just wanted to try to point out that science isnt right alot of the times, and almost never agrees. In fact science used to accept that we were created, now they accept evolution. We have accepted evolution because thats what the current facts point to, but maybe one day whe we find complex life on another planet those conspiracy theorists who believe that aliens seeded the planet will have science accept their view.

    Meh not trying to debate, just posting my view

  239. Profile photo of VomitStorm
    VomitStorm Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 1:21 am
    take the right drugs and you will find your own god.

    no "real" answers can be comprehended by the human mind, we can`t even visualise how massive our own planet is, let alone the infinite ammount of possibility there is in the universe

    ...and i hate xtians

  240. Profile photo of Windrider15
    Windrider15 Male 13-17
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    February 15, 2008 at 1:31 am
    FUCJK YE i am batpoo crzy!!!!!!11

    i dont care what some bastard says about me or my religion Im proud to be a christian and noone can stop that

  241. Profile photo of DrkAng3LxNat
    DrkAng3LxNat Female 18-29
    1071 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 1:43 am
    I believe in Science. Science is based on tests, proofs, researches, studies, all done to prove that it is correct, and used to make many things we use today. What has religion done for humanity? Believing in a "God" that created everything means you deny all Science. Because that`s what it is; making things happen with no explanation. There`s a reason for everything. Believing that some omnipotent being created everything is just the easy way out, showing that you don`t know how to think for yourself. I got a 15 for the first two of there "may" be one. But that`s it. Until there`s proof, actually proof, that God might actually exist, I consider it batpoo.
  242. Profile photo of powpowking
    powpowking Male 13-17
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    February 15, 2008 at 3:14 am
    Atheist S.O.B. trying to mock us religious people....
  243. Profile photo of odeed
    odeed Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 3:15 am
    `What has religion done for humanity? `

    you are kidding right?


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    jayisme350 Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 5:12 am
    video point made....you all fell for it like little suckers. boohoo this and boohoo that...its a crappy subject that everytime will bring up debate....and hits on....let it go people, let it go.....OH! lets go check out the new one IAB posted on this!!!!! Cant wait to see what get says there!
  245. Profile photo of IkeRay
    IkeRay Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 7:01 am
    didnt read anything past page 1...


    i can be considered atheist by some, but i see myself more as an agnostic, so heres my PoV:

    this video is nothing like most atheist, like someone on page 1 stated, this guy is a fundamentalist atheist, he is just as bad as the other religious fundamentalists. my biggest problem with it was that one of the questions included meditation hinting it was a type of prayer. meditation can be done by atheist as well, and it is actually good to meditate at times. now to meditate and expect to reach a higher plane is one thing, but to meditate in order to concentrate on inner thought, what is wrong with that?

  246. Profile photo of FTAB2010
    FTAB2010 Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 7:04 am
    I genuinely feel sorry for those guys. I have a narrow mind because I have a legitimate explanation for why humans exist? I dunno about anybody else, but I`d rather have the creator of the universe make me than monkeys.
  247. Profile photo of Overmann
    Overmann Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 7:18 am
    "you are kidding right?"

    Actually I think that`s a legitimate question.

    "I dunno about anybody else, but I`d rather have the creator of the universe make me than monkeys."

    Monkeys didn`t make us, FTAB2010. Raise your hands, ladies and gentlemen. Is there anyone here who believes we evolved from monkeys? Anyone? You, too, it seems, would benefit from reading The Blind Watchmaker. I just this morning finished it. It should nicely clear up any misconceptions you are having of evolution.

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    crazymagemia Female 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 7:19 am
    whey for being highly deluded! i am however upset at the amount of `god` with such a huge absense of `goddess` ¬¬
  249. Profile photo of 42467
    42467 Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 7:34 am
    moderately deluded
  250. Profile photo of Mikeado
    Mikeado Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 9:12 am
    Religion can suck my inches.
  251. Profile photo of greyday
    greyday Male 13-17
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    February 15, 2008 at 10:25 am
    im normal... yay!
  252. Profile photo of bochamockado
    bochamockado Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 10:45 am
    I loved it. The bat---- crazy thing made me lol.
  253. Profile photo of GeN_Ex
    GeN_Ex Male 13-17
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    February 15, 2008 at 10:48 am
    That, for me, was like Christmas in video form.
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    Maelstrom_x Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 12:07 pm
    Automatic "batpoo crazy" for believing what most Christians (and members of other religions) believe?

    They see me trollin`, they hatin`...

  255. Profile photo of BroadwayLove
    BroadwayLove Female 18-29
    187 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 12:46 pm
    ....call me Batpoo crazy.
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    thedobkins Male 30-39
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    February 15, 2008 at 1:01 pm
    moderate, I guess. I don`t think I`m deluded, though. I`m agnostic.
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    hmwith Female 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 1:06 pm
    This is the most amazingly true thing that I have ever seen. Thank you a great deal for posting this.

    I hope that this video inspired some to become better people, regardless of beliefs; no because God wants them to do so, but, rather, because they want to become better people on their own.

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    GeorgieRose Female 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 2:34 pm
    Lol. I hope everyone realises that the point of that video was to spark this exact argument? It`s so typical of human behaviour that this exact discussion is so common it`s a cliche and still people cannot laugh and let it go. The only person anyone really needs to justify religious belief to is themselves. Encouraging debate or thought is one thing, but no-one`s going to be convinced by preaching on either side.
  259. Profile photo of Aka_Yari
    Aka_Yari Female 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 3:10 pm
    I think it`s a bit much. Let atheists have their opinions, but I see no reason to be insulting because someone doesn`t share your views. Isn`t that what pig-headed religious nuts do? This video is a piece of argumentative drivvel. There`s a reason it`s in the "funny" section. Because it shouldn`t be taken seriously.
  260. Profile photo of waltos
    waltos Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 3:29 pm
    Oh, another religious argument?
    Before I start, I have to state my own agnosticism. Just to clear that up.
    I find myself supporting both sides of the argument, surrounded by christians, I can be the strongest atheist in the world. Hear a lot of anti-religious slating, I find myself backing up religion.
    I`m sure I`ve said this before, but no one ever listens - science and religion are not mutually exclusive.
    Besides, you don`t get religion from fact, that`s not how it works. It`s got to be something you experience. How many atheists can say they`ve really put their mind out and for a short while tried to believe.
    I have. I`ve had my "religious experience". But this still does not make me believe, as it can be explained through a logical scenario in itself.
    I`m not going into details, but faith/fact in that situation is like a coin, in actuality it could be either side the truth. It is up to the individual to decide. My coin still stays balanced.
  261. Profile photo of waltos
    waltos Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 3:38 pm
    Also, I`d like to discuss morality.
    Just because you aren`t a christian doesn`t mean that you can`t in some part follow its teachings.
    I`m not quoting the bible to anyone, it contains too much hypocrisy for my liking, but the issues of morality held up by most (notice I haven`t said all here) branches of christianity should be taken in.
    I`m well aware this is an unrealistic ideal, but it`s a dream. Morality before religion. Christianity today is too much oriented towards the church and not the teachings. It is not enough just to go to church, and I like to believe if there is a higher power, heaven and hell, then your life after death will be determined by the morality of your actions.
    Yet even if you don`t consider this feasible, what harm does it do to pay kindness? Speaking especially to some atheists here, why not uphold this sense of morality, and just show compassion? Although a teaching of, it is not limited to religion.
  262. Profile photo of gilderof
    gilderof Female 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 4:06 pm
    haha "If you score 10,000+ points you are Bats**t crazy".

    This video made me laugh more than anything. Richard Dawkins is such a noob.

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    tootiinc Female 13-17
    51 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 4:52 pm
    ya! see you in hell you stinkin bastard
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    ryno1727 Male 13-17
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    February 15, 2008 at 4:53 pm
    Thank you, Charles Darwin. Some people at school are mad at me because I chose him as my project`s "Sculptor of History". I`m not very religious, so I just call myself Agnostic.
  265. Profile photo of tootiinc
    tootiinc Female 13-17
    51 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 5:06 pm
    and don`t kid yourselves ppl. REALLY!? no god?
    as in, thinking that the earth and the universe and with its immense order just poofed up out of no where is not as delusional? the "big bang" and evolution doesnt explain it all and we all know it.
  266. Profile photo of Kazyan
    Kazyan Male 13-17
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    February 15, 2008 at 5:10 pm
    I got a ten.

    The 10,000+ result was hilarious.

  267. Profile photo of Andyl
    Andyl Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 5:12 pm
    Charles Darwin converted to Christianity on his deathbed and abandoned his theories on evolution, believing them to be wrong. Jesus didn`t become a rocket scientist when being crucified. One up to religion!


    I am not religious, but I behave like a religious person in ways. I have my views, and I respect them. And I respect other people`s views. But when they argue their views and call other people`s views wrong...boy that yanks on my chain. And this is even when the views are the same as mine. On this topic, who has the right to call other people wrong, or INSULT them for their beliefs, particularly when they`ve just been raised this way. It`s like mocking starving Africans for being hungry.

    The point is this: religion has so many benefits, and despite there being extremism out there, it`s no reason to call people "deluded" and try to wipe it out. Similarly, there`s no reason why religious people should force their views on others, to "save" them. It just doe

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    Andyl Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 5:19 pm
    I want to leave this topic alone but damn it I just can`t stop myself writing more.

    The thing I hate about preaching is that it is a person standing up and saying that you are right, and everyone else is wrong, so you must save yourself. And I say let them save themselves if they want and shut the hell up! Religion just gets it hard because it is up against science, and science likes to reinvent itself all the time and come to a rational conclusion about everything. Religion just sticks to its old principles, and they don`t work in modern society so well. And so forcing it in just doesn`t work. But then neither does atheism.

    In the video, the guy said that everyone else was trying to lead a normal, peaceful life. But on of the aspects of religion is to do this on a level ABOVE the law, which can grasp people so much better. We see violence and crime all around us, and in a completely godless world we would be in shambles. But that`s when religion comes in.

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    Andyl Male 18-29
    300 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 5:25 pm
    Religion is a path to morality, which is a point waltos above me made. And it is a bloody big one. In a society where you can effectively scare people into being moral, not for others, but for their own welfare (for all eternity!), it is very effective. Religion is a sort of deterrent to this, because if you believe in god and wronged him, you would fear his wrath. Religion is a control on the people. You may disagree with this, but just think about it. We teach people not to steal, not to wrong others, and it works a lot of the time. And this is what religion taught so long ago, before we could put an adequate legal system in place. The only thing that stops us from taking that wallet or whatever that has been left behind on a bench by someone is morality. And today we can teach morality without religion but in many cases it is needed to go side along with it, to teach people to respect others as they respect themselves.
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    Andyl Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 5:33 pm
    Man is a fickle creature and the instinctive reaction is hostility. It`s why we choose the empty double seat on the bus instead of sitting next to someone and why we don`t strike up random conversation just like that with anyone we meet. And so to find a way to override this and make people friendly is a bloody good thing. And religion does this. Teaching that stealing is wrong just doesn`t cut it. Why? There`s no ultimate deterrent. Of course, a society where you would get your hand cut off for petty theft would perhaps get the message across, but it`s a brutal system and doesn`t fit the "moral code". Which is why religion, whether true or not, really shines. It`s better to tell a lie than to just lop heads off like there`s no tomorrow.

    Now I don`t care if no one reads this or not, but it makes me happy and it clears my thoughts. I don`t care if you disagree, you`re all allowed to. But I`m not trying to argue. I`m trying to end the argument.

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    Andyl Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 5:36 pm
    And now to put the cherry on top of it all.

    I don`t believe in god, but I can see why people do. And even if there were scientific evidence for why God doesn`t exist, then I know that people would still believe anyway, and I would want them to. It makes people happy and secure, and who is anyone to take that away from them?

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    gizizza Male 30-39
    8 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 6:19 pm
    Christians:
    Take your lumps. You believe in something that may or may not exist. You make life hard for gays, brown people, women, and people who exercise their constitutional rights, and you can`t take a joke and/or criticism?

    There are umpteen religions in the world; you think you have it figured out? Cool. More power.

    Just don`t boo-hoo when some of us, including non-Christians, athiests, and agnostics, don`t buy a ticket to your afterlife meat raffle.

    After all, you`ll have all of eternity to have the last laugh, right?

    P.S.
    Do you get sad when people you love die? It`s because your biology knows there`s no afterlife; I wouldn`t mind not seeing someone for many, many years if I knew I would eventually spend FOREVER with them. They better loosen up the guidelines for getting into heaven, because you`re gonna be really sick of your friends and family after, oh, say, 1 or 2 BILLION YEARS.

    Another round of Pictionary without pagan symbols, anyone?

    But hey, tha

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    yessitsmesay Female 18-29
    14 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 6:50 pm
    ok, atheists get poo like this ALLLLLLLLL the time. for those of you who are, according to this video, "batpoo crazy:" get over it.
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    Fuzzy4242 Male 13-17
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    February 15, 2008 at 7:55 pm
    FRiggen atheist propeganda! Whoever posted this is batpoo crazy according to my insanity index!
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    Nazarene Male 50-59
    187 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 9:41 pm
    Question to see how much of a fool you are:

    Do you believe that in all of the history of the entire universe YOU are the most intelligent thing that has ever lived? Give yourself 100 points.

    Do you believe that the human race has been stupid and misinformed, making all kinds of false assumptions until YOU were born, and now we have all the answers? Give yourself 500 points.

    Do you believe that in a universe where the greatest minds all agree that we don`t have a clue about the makeup of 95% of known universe you can be certain that there is nothing beyond your comprehension? Give yourself 1000 points

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    paramecium Female 18-29
    268 posts
    February 16, 2008 at 12:28 am
    "Unless God can be said to simultaneously maintain all the laws of chemistry and physics, keeping them in the predictable state as we know them, God cannot be said to govern or "drive" evolution."

    Well perhaps from a theists point of view, maybe the god is. The difficulty there, i suppose, that if you belive god can be separated from the universe at all. I have fun arguing that one with theists, omnipotence and omniscience.

    Naw im not a theist. My point is though, that someone can have quiet intense beliefs, but still see things ina more realistic way. I just can`t lump theists in those catagories the video suggests.

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    waltos Male 18-29
    98 posts
    February 16, 2008 at 6:54 am
    "You make life hard for gays, brown people, women, and people who exercise their constitutional rights"

    No they don`t. Some do, but the majority don`t nowadays.
    Please, do SOME research.
    It`s like me saying all atheists commit rape and murder. Some do. But for the majority it isn`t true.
    Stereotypes are stupid.

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    steven8124 Male 50-59
    116 posts
    February 16, 2008 at 6:58 am
    Call me crazy but I`ll be thinking of you from heaven.
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    iamrobot13 Male 13-17
    148 posts
    February 16, 2008 at 8:06 am
    Dialogue on an enlightened planet.

    Christian: I`m a christian
    Atheist: I`m an Atheist
    Christian: I don`t give a S h i t
    Atheist: me neither

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    Drunkentowni Male 18-29
    4 posts
    February 16, 2008 at 9:12 am
    Well personally I feel sorry for the man. He doesn`t know what he is doing and who are we to judge him? Dawkins is just like a confused lost little kid in a shopping mall, hes angry and sad because he doesn`t know where hes father is so he cries, very loud i might add. Unfortunately everyone eles that is walking with our father has to listen to his whineing as we pass by. I just hope God touches his heart in some way or another to get him back on the right path and make more friends instead of enemies.
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    KIKENI Female 13-17
    354 posts
    February 16, 2008 at 11:52 am
    hahah people are so ignorant
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    paramecium Female 18-29
    268 posts
    February 16, 2008 at 12:07 pm
    "Unless God can be said to simultaneously maintain all the laws of chemistry and physics, keeping them in the predictable state as we know them, God cannot be said to govern or "drive" evolution."

    Well perhaps from a theists point of view, maybe the god is. The difficulty there, i suppose, that if you belive god can be separated from the universe at all. I have fun arguing that one with theists, omnipotence and omniscience.

    Naw im not a theist. My point is though, that someone can have quiet intense beliefs, but still see things ina more realistic way. I just can`t lump theists in those catagories the video suggests.

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    kelzz Female 13-17
    9 posts
    February 16, 2008 at 12:43 pm
    christians dish on athiests.
    atheists dish on christians.
    nice cycle.
    shut the fk up about christianity, and atheists will shut the fk up about atheism. it`s not that hard to figure out.
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    thinkbig1224 Male 18-29
    20 posts
    February 16, 2008 at 7:52 pm
    well it looks like this guy will be going to hell
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    junkbrain Male 30-39
    34 posts
    February 17, 2008 at 7:06 am
    I am so glad that there are objective people in the world to tell us who we should respect or tolerate. It`s good to know that some people just shouldn`t be allowed to teach or be tolerated. That was a very scientific and objective work.
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    paramecium Female 18-29
    268 posts
    February 17, 2008 at 11:00 am
    "Unless God can be said to simultaneously maintain all the laws of chemistry and physics, keeping them in the predictable state as we know them, God cannot be said to govern or "drive" evolution."

    Well perhaps from a theists point of view, maybe the god is. The difficulty there, i suppose, that if you belive god can be separated from the universe at all. I have fun arguing that one with theists, omnipotence and omniscience.

    Naw im not a theist. My point is though, that someone can have quiet intense beliefs, but still see things ina more realistic way. I just can`t lump theists in those catagories the video suggests.

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    paramecium Female 18-29
    268 posts
    February 18, 2008 at 6:21 am
    "Unless God can be said to simultaneously maintain all the laws of chemistry and physics, keeping them in the predictable state as we know them, God cannot be said to govern or "drive" evolution."

    Well perhaps from a theists point of view, maybe the god is. The difficulty there, i suppose, that if you belive god can be separated from the universe at all. I have fun arguing that one with theists, omnipotence and omniscience.

    Naw im not a theist. My point is though, that someone can have quiet intense beliefs, but still see things ina more realistic way. I just can`t lump theists in those catagories the video suggests.

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    GeN_Ex Male 13-17
    276 posts
    February 18, 2008 at 8:30 am
    Andyl is a twat
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    live2breathe Female 13-17
    97 posts
    February 18, 2008 at 9:49 pm
    THANK YOU.
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    SerFox Male 18-29
    276 posts
    February 19, 2008 at 5:07 pm
    Extremel accurate. You religeous nuts are really not worthy of thi world with your crap.
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    paramecium Female 18-29
    268 posts
    February 23, 2008 at 10:12 am
    "Unless God can be said to simultaneously maintain all the laws of chemistry and physics, keeping them in the predictable state as we know them, God cannot be said to govern or "drive" evolution."

    Well perhaps from a theists point of view, maybe the god is. The difficulty there, i suppose, that if you belive god can be separated from the universe at all. I have fun arguing that one with theists, omnipotence and omniscience.

    Naw im not a theist. My point is though, that someone can have quiet intense beliefs, but still see things ina more realistic way. I just can`t lump theists in those catagories the video suggests.

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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
    2284 posts
    February 23, 2008 at 8:06 pm
    "Dialogue on an enlightened planet.

    Christian: I`m a christian
    Atheist: I`m an Atheist
    Christian: I don`t give a S h i t
    Atheist: me neither "

    Correction:

    Atheist: I was a Christian once.
    Atheist2: Me too.
    Atheist: Good thing we cast off the shackles of mental bondage.
    Atheist2: Indeed.

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    paramecium Female 18-29
    268 posts
    February 26, 2008 at 12:04 pm
    "Unless God can be said to simultaneously maintain all the laws of chemistry and physics, keeping them in the predictable state as we know them, God cannot be said to govern or "drive" evolution."

    Well perhaps from a theists point of view, maybe the god is. The difficulty there, i suppose, that if you belive god can be separated from the universe at all. I have fun arguing that one with theists, omnipotence and omniscience.

    Naw im not a theist. My point is though, that someone can have quiet intense beliefs, but still see things ina more realistic way. I just can`t lump theists in those catagories the video suggests.

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    mluther Male 13-17
    1023 posts
    February 26, 2008 at 4:17 pm
    something tells me he`s an atheist. i can`t put y finger on it though. the questions are vague, the scoring system is messed up plus he doesn`t take into account if the religious people are right.
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    ball_dogg_49 Male 18-29
    444 posts
    February 27, 2008 at 4:01 pm
    you are batpoo crazy

    hahahahhaha!

    no matter how many times i hear it, i always crack up!

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    mrsticky005 Male 18-29
    5 posts
    March 2, 2008 at 9:04 am
    ok I get the feeling this video isn`t suppose to be serious but either way the guy is full of himself.
    Now though I am a theist I am not against this video because of it`s atheistic views. What I`m against is that it makes anyone who believes in religon to be mentally unstable nutcases. Sure some religous people may be just plain cuckoo but given the fact that over 50% of the world has some kind of religon I seriously doubt it`s because we`re all mentally ill. Also some but not all atheists are deluded themselves in the fact that they think everything can be explained with logic and science. People who say god can`t exist because god is intangible might as well say that things like "freedom" "justice" and "love" don`t exist because they aren`t tangible either.
    Don`t get me wrong I actually do respect a lot of atheists for the fact that they go against the crowd but don`t be dissing us who choose to be theist just because you don`t agree with it.
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    Afterthought Female 18-29
    245 posts
    May 2, 2008 at 11:50 pm
    Kind of long to watch, but I got 10 as my score.
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    kimosabi Female 13-17
    101 posts
    May 10, 2008 at 5:17 pm
    lmaooo. BATSHYT cRAZY.
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