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118 Responses to Marine Amputee Voluntarily Returns To Active Duty

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    fancylad Male 30-39
    18834 posts
    February 29, 2008 at 12:51 am
    Link: Marine Amputee Voluntarily Returns To Active Duty - For him, it`s recovery.
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    patthebaker Male 18-29
    1768 posts
    February 29, 2008 at 12:52 am
    great all other attempts at badassery will now fail
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    candor88 Female 18-29
    111 posts
    February 29, 2008 at 12:55 am
    That`s awesome. I`m surprised the Marines let him back in but that`s just amazing.
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    KoalaMeatPie Male 18-29
    2578 posts
    February 29, 2008 at 12:57 am
    Leg- Amputated, "Gunny Wilson".

    Reinstated?

    ok,

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    _Requiem_ Female 18-29
    469 posts
    February 29, 2008 at 12:58 am
    What a trooper.
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    KoalaMeatPie Male 18-29
    2578 posts
    February 29, 2008 at 12:59 am
    Hmm, any different personallity and i would have said that this was pure man-ego.

    This seemed pretty genuine.

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    BikerTeen Male 13-17
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    February 29, 2008 at 1:00 am
    that is a true American
  8. Profile photo of KoalaMeatPie
    KoalaMeatPie Male 18-29
    2578 posts
    February 29, 2008 at 1:02 am
    We can rebuild him!
    We have the Technology!

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    Mani-Jac Male 40-49
    805 posts
    February 29, 2008 at 1:04 am
    "...I`m here to help you anyway I can..."

    *insurgent takes out sniper-rifle, AGAIN*

    Target practise, anyone?

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    _Requiem_ Female 18-29
    469 posts
    February 29, 2008 at 1:04 am
    We can make him better, faster, stronger.
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    Fourth Male 18-29
    19 posts
    February 29, 2008 at 1:12 am
    let`s rehabilitate ourselves and then go get killed!
    WAIT WUT!?

    Fox news <3 the Marines

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    laMigra77 Male 30-39
    292 posts
    February 29, 2008 at 1:34 am
    Well, if Bush hadn`t lied about WMDs, then we wouldn`t be in Iraq and this guy would have his leg... and blah, blah, blah...

    Oh wait, I`m not am ignorant, liberal dumb-ass. Good for him. Get in there and kick some more ass!

    Reminds me of the movie `Johny Be Good`
    "I think I broke my dick coach."
    "Rub some dirt on it... it`ll be ok."

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    T3h-Wraith Male 13-17
    645 posts
    February 29, 2008 at 1:35 am
    You call him "simply amaaaaazing"? Seriously? That was the best your teleprompter could display? Or did you just make up that piece of idiocy all by yourself?
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    D_Fishbait Male 18-29
    136 posts
    February 29, 2008 at 2:10 am
    "BikerTeen:
    that is a true American"
    couldn`t have said it better myself. *forget your wife and FOUR YEAR OLD daughter who need you. you get to go kick some ass!*

    "laMigra77
    ...
    Oh wait, I`m not am ignorant, liberal dumb-ass. Good for him. Get in there and kick some more ass!"
    and i`m not some hateful, redneck, wannabe toughguy... ugh. point proven. i want to move to canada...

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    AnwarNova Male 18-29
    2076 posts
    February 29, 2008 at 2:33 am
    He probably also wants to go because in the Marines he`ll be treated as an equal soldier.

    Back home, you won`t believe the stereotyping one gets when they are disabled. It can definitely drive a person to go back.

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    kongen Male 18-29
    265 posts
    February 29, 2008 at 2:38 am
    The funny thing here is the "O` im so interested"-look on the reporters face...USofA is just to self-digging for the rest of the world....but then again, who cares what you do in your pooy military, "democratic", sensured brainwashed contry as long as u leave me alone...

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    herouk87 Male 18-29
    189 posts
    February 29, 2008 at 2:57 am
    I call him "simply amaaaaazing"?

    I`m sure you do, i`m sure you do ;P

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    NoGoodIdeas Male 13-17
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    February 29, 2008 at 5:38 am
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    We salute you, good sir.

  19. Profile photo of ValeX
    ValeX Male 18-29
    27 posts
    February 29, 2008 at 5:54 am
    Yay, another pro-war, fox news, clip.

    "Lets not talk about the fact there is a war, lets talk about a cuddly cute story of a single emotional soldier"

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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
    4290 posts
    February 29, 2008 at 7:39 am
    Yeah OK, Fox are crap journalists, but this is interesting. He seemed pretty cool.

    It`s just sad that our respective governments are willing to abuse good, honest, brave soldiers` trust and risk their lives by sending them to a war over lies.

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    manningsdead Female 18-29
    38 posts
    February 29, 2008 at 7:58 am
    Inspiring guy... completely insane but inspiring.
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    TickledPink4 Female 18-29
    71 posts
    February 29, 2008 at 8:13 am
    am I the only one who caught this?

    roughly: "they`re all firsts now. Probably just what it was like at 2 years old when I was learning to walk"

    hahahah I would suppose that most people can already walk and run for that matter by the time they reach the age of 2.

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    d_87bob Male 18-29
    48 posts
    February 29, 2008 at 8:27 am
    A man living up to the Marine standards.
    First in, Last out.
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    Lauraly Female 18-29
    2259 posts
    February 29, 2008 at 8:28 am
    1.) I`m one of those people who just doesn`t understand his wanting to go back. "Show appreciation?" For what? For that guy shooting you?
    2.) He has a family; a little girl and a wife at home, but he`d rather go back to war? What a douche bag. He`s already been seriously injured, but he wants to give them the chance to actually kill him next time. You`ll really be able to show how appreciative you are once you`ve got a bullet lodged in your skull. If I was his wife, I`d break his other leg and lock him in the basement so he could get over whatever the hell is going through his head.

    Listen, I support the soldiers 100%, but we are in the war for bullpoo reasons and I will never understand people who would rather risk their lives for a lying sack of poo president with an agenda to prove himself than to be with their families. It would be one thing if it were WW2 all over again, but it`s not.

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    Lauraly Female 18-29
    2259 posts
    February 29, 2008 at 8:34 am
    I mean, if you join the military when you`re young because you don`t know what else you want to do or because it`s a family pride thing or because it`s your dream, that`s fine, but once you have your own family and you have a good reason to not go back to war, take it. Isn`t it more important that your child actually has their father over your damned pride? This guy has something to prove, and I don`t find that to be an admirable character trait.
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    ElGuillermo Male 30-39
    31 posts
    February 29, 2008 at 8:45 am
    Aim for the head next time, you noob sniper.
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    LoofahBoy Male 18-29
    3301 posts
    February 29, 2008 at 8:46 am
    Lauraly, WELL said. However you gotta understand: This guy is a Marine. To them, this is their life. They live for this. From what I understand about them, their motivation is to their fellow marines above all else. I`m willing to bet that`s why this guy went back in. Or maybe I`ve watched too much Black Hawk Down. I dunno.

    I`m thinking that they see the world in a completely different fashion than we do. Those that see battle like soldiers probably see the world through different eyes. He went back in for his own reasons, whatever it may be. Personally, I respect guys like this. And I hope his family supports him.

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    Red5TheFinn Male 13-17
    1556 posts
    February 29, 2008 at 9:14 am
    Good guy but still hes fighting for a lost cause i think Bush should just pull the troops out of Iraq.
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    FallenSoul Male 18-29
    923 posts
    February 29, 2008 at 9:24 am
    D_Fishbait My thoughts exactly, though moving to Canada doesn`t help we have just as many idiots willing to overlook the more important things in life.

    I don`t care how "brave" this is. This guy has a little girl and a wife. For the rest of their lives the wife will never be carried over a threshhold, she will have to go through sex thinking, where the hell is his leg, because that sh*t would be weird, and his little girl will probably have to explain to all of her friends when they come over not to stare at Daddy`s leg. That`s if he survives now, if not, his wife and his daughter will eventually realize he sold them out for some stupid glory. I understand some people think comradery to your fellow soldiers is the most important thing, but if that`s the case don`t have kids, don`t get married. This guy is screwed in the head and sad, his daughter will probably be overpatriotic and won`t be able to figure out why she`s bitter in life, and his wife resentful and freaked.

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    Lauraly Female 18-29
    2259 posts
    February 29, 2008 at 9:44 am
    I don`t have to understand anything. I don`t care what your career is, it should never come before your family, especially not your children. If it does, then you shouldn`t of had kids in the first place, or you should have waited until you were out of the service to start your family.
    Though I will agree that whatever made him want to be a marine in the first place is probably what made him want to go back. Marines are normally the most screwed up of all the people in all branches of the military. They`re more likely to be abusive to their partners and children and tend to have had anger issues before even joining that being in the military only enhances (based on statistics that I just made up.)
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    Tyrizzle Male 18-29
    908 posts
    February 29, 2008 at 10:50 am
    You should see The Marine that basically shows what happens after you are out of the marines by being discharged...The first five minutes of the movie when he is a security gaurd that is it...No ridiculous camaro or anything
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    yellowsquare Female 18-29
    1545 posts
    February 29, 2008 at 11:07 am
    Lauraly, my sentiments exactly.

    How many soldiers want to go home right now, back to their wife and daughter? He has the opportunity to do so, and to live a happy life with them and he gives his family the ol` "Feck you" and marches off to war again. I`m pretty sure there`s an American soldier/veteran somewhere who wants to punch him in the face right now.

    I support the troops. I admire this guy`s gusto and determination. But it`s not bravery that`s making him do this; it`s egocentrism with a dash of idiocy.

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    imcoolyeah Male 13-17
    747 posts
    February 29, 2008 at 11:30 am
    Good for that dude
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    Liquidglass Male 18-29
    1111 posts
    February 29, 2008 at 11:54 am
    Lauraly:
    (it`s going to take awhile to point out how you made a stupid point. So go get an oatmeal cookie and a juice box)
    I disagree with you on most of what you said.
    1) He said he was showing appreciation for everyone there. Showing he`s not going to leave his fellow marines just because he got hurt.
    2)He might have something to prove he might not, don`t assume you know what you`re talking about, when you have no clue what`s going on in his head.
    Could be he simply has a protection complex. Yes he could stay at home with his wife and daughter but he sees going back as protecting them as well as everyone else.
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    Liquidglass Male 18-29
    1111 posts
    February 29, 2008 at 11:54 am
    3) yeah we`re over there for reasons that are bull crap. But that`s because of decisions made by the govt. Army personal make a commitment to the military, each other, and their country. So they do their job, even if they don`t totally like or agree what they`re doing
    You didn`t hear him say or anyone else say they`re doing it because they support the war or the president. They`re over there for us and for one another. Yeah they could just sit at home and not do anything but they`d rather be out there trying to protect their friends and colleagues.
    4) how the hell do you know anything about WWII besides what you were taught in history class. Use a reference you can grasp.
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    Liquidglass Male 18-29
    1111 posts
    February 29, 2008 at 11:55 am
    5) he doesn`t quit because he sees what he does as his purpose, his drive. Have you ever done anything that people were like "oh no, you shouldn`t do that it`s (dangerous,scary,stupid,etc)" Then that`s because you felt committed. But judging from you comments you`ve probably never experienced that in your life.
    If you give up at the first chance that comes along, then I know why you don`t understand.
    but if you`ve pushed on though something that`s hard for whatever reasons you have, then you should be able to be more open minded about his position.
  37. Profile photo of Liquidglass
    Liquidglass Male 18-29
    1111 posts
    February 29, 2008 at 12:00 pm
    yellowsquare:

    Soldiers would love to go home, but they also love their "job" he was a marine, they`re different than the every day solider.
    No there`s a solider or veteran out there that understands his reasoning.

    Most soldiers take 2nd and 3rd tours in iraq, for their own reasons.


    Personally I just thought the whole video showed how desperate the military was for people. They wouldn`t take flat feet but they`ll take one leg. Those must be some killer arches

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    LoofahBoy Male 18-29
    3301 posts
    February 29, 2008 at 12:01 pm
    Liquidglass, I commend you. Well said.
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    KoalaMeatPie Male 18-29
    2578 posts
    February 29, 2008 at 12:11 pm
    Liquidglass:
    1- So he`s going to leave his wife and child to go show his buddies that he still supports them?
    Thats like having a broken arm and going bowlling with your buddies because you have a team - except your wife hasn`t seen you in 8 months and people are throwing the bowlling balls at you.

    2- He lost a leg, he`s going back to war to "show support" - leaving his wife and familly. I`ll tell you what`s going on in his head.

    Screwed up.

    He thinks he`s doing good. *ALL* marines have had their personallity, soul, shattered. I`ve seen the exact moment it happens. The Army rebuilds them. He is not *whatever his name is* Anymore. He is no more. He`s a stranger, somebody else. He`s a number, and acts like one. There is no more *Him*.

    3- Support the Troops not the war, unfortunatly the troops are Pawns in the war. To Army, no wars. Well, asides from Politicians throwing paper airplanes at each other.

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    KoalaMeatPie Male 18-29
    2578 posts
    February 29, 2008 at 12:16 pm
    4- What? she never said anything about WWII

    5- See Number 3.
    There job consists of going after people, being shot at, and most importantly shooting and killing others.

    He requested a place on the battlefield.

    We once asked our instructer (who nt to Iraq) if she ever killed anybody - repsonce? "No."

    Later on, she was teaching us how a RPG works and told us she once shot a tank.

    "How many people where inside?"
    "3-4"
    "So, you killed 3 people?"
    "No, I killed a tank."

    And that was the end of that.

    Sure, you can argue that If She wasn`t there, the tnak would have done dmg.

    Not necessairly, if nobody was there, nothing would of happened.

    That includes the troops.

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    ValeX Male 18-29
    27 posts
    February 29, 2008 at 12:36 pm
    since when did being a dumb ass become `brave` and `true american`...
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    ciaran036 Male 18-29
    168 posts
    February 29, 2008 at 12:43 pm
    that`s retarded. Who`d be stupid enough to go back? As if it wasn`t bad enough that they were sent there in the first place!
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    EstiloPanama Female 18-29
    2074 posts
    February 29, 2008 at 1:20 pm
    He can`t possibly care for his 4 year old daughter and wife by doing this to them. How horrible. One branch I can never support/understand is the Marines.

    He has a family. He had a chance to be with them. He turned his back on them to go fight, and be in a senseless war. What a terrible husband. This is completely insane.

    I support the soldiers myself, but this is beyond absurd.

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    EstiloPanama Female 18-29
    2074 posts
    February 29, 2008 at 1:25 pm
    Liquidglass, you are stupid. Lauraly and others with that shared point of view are one-hundred percent corret. Family first. In the military, it is your job, an obligation. But if you have a chance like this to let it go and be with the ones you supposedly love, then a true husband would take that chance. This idiot is married to the Corps, not to his wife, and not to his little girl`s heart.
    I have met So many da.mn Marines. All the young ones are complete retards. It`s a complete Idiot`s package to be a Marine in this day and age.

    MARINES NEED TO GET OVER THEIR FU>KING SELVES. The glory or whatever of being a Marine is completely false. Being a Marine means you couldn`t get a high enough ASVAB score, or if you did, you didn`t have enough brains to select a more fitting job to suit the family. What is with the combat-driven idiots out there? I lived in Camp Lejeune, and the Marines I saw there were the epitome of PURE TRASH. Just trash. Nothing more, nothing less.

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    angelicamber Female 18-29
    1572 posts
    February 29, 2008 at 1:29 pm
    He`s an idiot o_0
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    doZer_roZZ Female 18-29
    280 posts
    February 29, 2008 at 1:41 pm
    ten bucks says the wife who married a marine KNEW she was marrying someone who may have to go away for months at a time...if i was his daughter, i might not understand at four years old but once I was old enough I am sure I would be proud to say my father was a marine who served in Iraq...I dont understand why people think it is ok to say that this war is crap when they also say they support the troops...i dont think you can say both
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    KoalaMeatPie Male 18-29
    2578 posts
    February 29, 2008 at 1:51 pm
    Everyone, Listen to *EstiloPanama*
    She`s pregnant and her husband is off to Iraq.

    Or so she says.

    She`d know firsthand.

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    Lauraly Female 18-29
    2259 posts
    February 29, 2008 at 2:43 pm
    Wow, I just got back home and there seems like I have so much to say. Yay me.
    Firstly, thank you to Koala and Estilo for backing me up against Liquidglass, who apparently felt the need to make personal remarks against my intelligence to prove his weak argument. I`ll get to that later.
    Secondly, dozer_rozz, you apparently can`t understand the difference between feeling for people who put their lives on the line and hating a stupid cause that no one should be dying for. I can feel compassion for human beings who are at war away from their families while thinking that the president was a jerk-off who lied to those same people to put them in war in the first place just so he could prove himself. I don`t have to like what position a person is in to respect them.
  49. Profile photo of D_Fishbait
    D_Fishbait Male 18-29
    136 posts
    February 29, 2008 at 3:03 pm
    doZer_roZZ, do some research into the war. look at the pretext for why it started. look at who attacked us. look at all the reasons originally given for it.
    now look at who we attacked. it was Afghani terrorist group, and somehow we wnd up in Iraq. we set out to look for Osama, and we hung Sadam. look for one GOOD reason we are still there. those of us who support the troops without supporting the war do so this way:
    the war is unnecessary, a waste of human life, and only causes more hatred on both sides. but the troops are there anyway, by their choice or not. most of them sre good people who just didn`t know what else to do with their life. they deserve to come home to their families, but because of one man`s lies, they may never get to. (i`m not being sarcastic, i`m actually asking) do you understand?
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    icantthink41 Male 18-29
    350 posts
    February 29, 2008 at 3:38 pm
    ...shot in the leg by a sniper? what a pooty snipper
  51. Profile photo of Lauraly
    Lauraly Female 18-29
    2259 posts
    February 29, 2008 at 3:51 pm
    OK, here goes my rebuttal to liquidglass:
    1.) Koala answered this point competently already, so I see no reason to basically repeat the same sentiments.
    2.)If you are telling me that I can`t make a judgment call based on this video and express what my opinion of this guy happens to be, then you should feel that way about all the submissions and all the posters on i-a-b. Why should we even have forums if we can`t express our opinions? I haven`t seen you jump down anyone`s throat for saying Japan is insane based on their commercials. You had an emotional response, and frankly you should never rely on that to make a decent argument. I was going to remark on your assumption that the guy must have a protection complex, but then I realized that you just made yourself look like a hypocrite by assuming that you knew what was going through the guy`s mind. Buddy, that`s all we can do seeing as we don`t know this man.
  52. Profile photo of Lauraly
    Lauraly Female 18-29
    2259 posts
    February 29, 2008 at 4:03 pm
    3.)I never said I thought he was doing this to support the war or the president. What I did say was that I can`t understand why someone would choose to be at war over being with their family, especially since we are in this war for baseless reasons. Originally, yes, he was just doing his job, but now he`s being reckless. He had a reason to go home, and he crapped on it. Plus, his injury could end up just slowing him down which would put his fellow soldiers at greater risk. He won`t be doing such a good job of protecting them if he causes them to slow down and put themselves in more peril.
    4.)I have two parts to this answer:
    A-> I actually had family that served in WW2 and I grew up hearing the stores. My great uncle was a POW (prisoner of war), so I do know more than what the average kid might have learned in social studies and history class. Way to go on once again proving yourself as a hypocrite by making an assumption.
  53. Profile photo of Lauraly
    Lauraly Female 18-29
    2259 posts
    February 29, 2008 at 4:10 pm
    B-> What I know about WW2 doesn`t matter; I was simply stating that I would understand his decision if the war was for a good cause. If you even try to compare the validity of WW2 to the War in Iraq or try stating that they are equally important then I should just end my argument here.
    5.) I`m not sure exactly what to say to this considering that it is basically just a personal attack and yet another example of your hypocrisy. While I have never done something that people have said I shouldn`t due to it`s risk factor (besides skydiving and I just don`t think that counts) I have often times had the guts to stand up and fight for what I believe in, even when nearly everyone was against me, and no, I am not talking about Internet forums here. So don`t you dare call into question my own bravery or attempt to call me a quitter.
  54. Profile photo of Lauraly
    Lauraly Female 18-29
    2259 posts
    February 29, 2008 at 4:16 pm
    This isn`t just about fighting for what he may or may not believe in (though he must believe in it or why else would he choose to go back after his experience); it is also about him leaving behind his wife and child after already putting them through the absolute horror of hearing that he was shot and would need an amputation. That is no small injury. I do not take issue with his choosing to be in the military; my problem is that he chose to be away from his family for something so dangerous when he has already seen that yes, he too is vulnerable. There are many other ways for him to make a difference in Iraq if he feels strongly enough about it to put his life on the line for the cause. He could take a political route to help set up a democratic government in Iraq or he could use his injury as a platform to lobby congress for whatever issues he finds most important.
  55. Profile photo of Lauraly
    Lauraly Female 18-29
    2259 posts
    February 29, 2008 at 4:19 pm
    He doesn`t have to put his life in danger. In the end this decision will just make his family suffer, and I personally see no good reason for it.

    (Sorry that my post was so long that I had so many postings right after the other...)

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    Shaboobalah Male 18-29
    326 posts
    February 29, 2008 at 5:00 pm
    Lauraly, you actually drove me to create an account. Congratulations on calling everyone a hypocrite but yourself. You`re ridiculing liquidglass for trying to "see inside his head" while you`re doing the exact same thing. You`re calling this Marine irresponsible and a bad husband. How would you know? Maybe he`s the best husband in the world. Maybe he`s just being a patriot. Once again, congratulations on your aquisition of foot-in-mouth disease. I know that the "War on Terror" is based on lies and deception. I know that America should pull out. I hate Bush. BUT, I wholeheartedly support the men and women who are willing to risk it all to end it that much faster, or whatever reason. The subject of this video does not appear to be searching for glory. He appears to me to be a man who is willing to protect his family from and Iraqis who may be willing to go to America and possibly harm his fellow citizens. Good night Lauraly. I hope you learn to practice
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    Shaboobalah Male 18-29
    326 posts
    February 29, 2008 at 5:01 pm
    ... what you preach.
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    TeHrussian Male 18-29
    490 posts
    February 29, 2008 at 5:05 pm
    Ok Lauraly, I`m not going to read ALL of that but as a former Marine myself, all I can tell you is that it`s not just a job, it`s a part of who you are.

    Some people go through life without ever finding a purpose or a reason to be alive. For him, appearently, being a Marine is it. Serving in combat zones is an integral part of a Marine`s duty, we are all "combatants" (unlike any other branch where in certain jobs you can serve 30 years without touching a gun...).

    As far as his family: the wife knew what she was marrying into. While spouses that stay at home certainly don`t have an easy time, if they`ve stuck around it shows an understanding of what their Marine is all about. At the same time, when you serve in combat, you come to realize that the lives of your fellow service members depend on you and vice versa. It`s kind of becomes a second family, and you`d certainly try to do anything you can not to let them down.

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    TeHrussian Male 18-29
    490 posts
    February 29, 2008 at 5:05 pm
    Now, to me, it wasn`t the perfect organization to stick around, but I think it`s fair to say that you`re criticizing an ideology you`ve never been exposed to.
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    Lauraly Female 18-29
    2259 posts
    February 29, 2008 at 5:18 pm
    Shaboobalah, perhaps you should go back and read my other posts on this topic. I didn`t say that I hadn`t made assumptions, I was saying liquidglass was a hypocrite because he called me out for making assumptions just before making his own. Also, I only called one person a hypocrite, not "everyone." I made assumptions, said that I had the right to because that`s what these forums are basically for, and that liquidglass shouldn`t give me a hard time for them if he is just going to make assumptions as well. I even said, all we can do is make assumptions because we don`t know this guy.

    Way to skim over an argument, take a side, and post, making yourself look like an idiot because you didn`t actually take the time to read carefully.

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    Lauraly Female 18-29
    2259 posts
    February 29, 2008 at 5:21 pm
    I`m not criticizing an ideology that I`ve never been exposed to, I`m criticizing a man because I don`t agree with his choices; there is a major difference. Also, please don`t try to join in on an argument if you even admit that you can`t be bothered to read all of your opponents views.
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    KoalaMeatPie Male 18-29
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    February 29, 2008 at 5:31 pm
    Shaboobalah: If he was the best husband in the world, he would have stayed withhis familly. Going back to war, after nearly being killed, leaving familly behind, IS in Fact REALLY irrisponsible. Why? If he`s shot, dead, this time, his wife is left to raise a child alone. Not to mention the added trouble of having a Stick leg, maintenence and all. It does "heal" itself - he`s more prone to accidents because of it.

    2nd- You don`t impress anyone by saying "I`ve created an acomean person just so I can..." It doesn`t amke you any more right because you`ve had something to say.

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    TeHrussian Male 18-29
    490 posts
    February 29, 2008 at 5:32 pm
    Hmm, I don`t have to read your replies to other people to know what you`re talking about. The man`s decisions are based on his ideology, which is more than likely (they`re still married, right?) shared by his family. By extension, you`re criticizing the ideology.

    How do you separate his choices from the values they`re based on? Just because you don`t understand him, it does not mean that he is doing anything deplorable.

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    KoalaMeatPie Male 18-29
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    February 29, 2008 at 5:32 pm
    He can`t really protect his familly from 100,000 Km away.
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    KoalaMeatPie Male 18-29
    2578 posts
    February 29, 2008 at 5:35 pm
    TeHrussian: How about you start reading the replies and KNOW what we are talking about.

    You`re not all knowing.
    Don`t dissmiss it as a bunch of bullsh°t if you didn`t even read it.

    It makes you an ignorant duchebag.

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    KoalaMeatPie Male 18-29
    2578 posts
    February 29, 2008 at 5:38 pm
    TeHrussian: There`s a difference between the ideology of going to war protecting your familly, helping your buds, serving as a team

    And nearly dying, being incapassitated then going back to show support.

    Thats real nice, Your troops need you, And i`m sure they have somebody else in line.

    You know who else needs you? Your familly, your little girl, they only have 1 father vs The entire US Marine core / meathshields.

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    Shaboobalah Male 18-29
    326 posts
    February 29, 2008 at 5:41 pm
    Lauraly, I did read all your other posts, and Koala, I`m going to agree with TeHrussian. If a woman marries a Marine, she`s probably willing to accept the possibility that Private Johnson may come home in a box. If not, she shouldn`t have married him. I read in an earlier post that she kid may not understand now, but when she`s older, she should be proud of dad, and how he`s willing to put it all on the line for the country on the paper he signed his name on. I`m not a warmonger. I will only support war if it is just. The war on Terror is not just. It`s a lie. What I`m getting at is that this Marine is (by my best guess) following his own definition of a "warrior code". Again in an earlier post, I saw something to the effect of "First ones in, last ones out". I`d be willing to bet that`s how he feels about Iraq. My comment about him possibly being the best husband in the world is based on this: What if he does his very best for his family when he`s home? What if h
  68. Profile photo of Shaboobalah
    Shaboobalah Male 18-29
    326 posts
    February 29, 2008 at 5:43 pm
    ... he does nothing but support his wife and daughter in all their endeavours? Try to look further than the words on the screen. There may be something that couldn`t be said underneath them.
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    KoalaMeatPie Male 18-29
    2578 posts
    February 29, 2008 at 5:48 pm
    "Your dad died in a useless war instead of spending time with you, watching you grow up, being there for you, your first break up, first time a guy broke your heart, helping you with driving lessons, seeing your graduation, walking you down the isle on your wedding day, his grandchildren on his knee. He decided to go To war instead, a useless war, supporting his friends who did not really need him, they would have a replacement, he went to war and he died."

    Yes, I to would be VERY proud.

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    Lauraly Female 18-29
    2259 posts
    February 29, 2008 at 5:53 pm
    Koala, thanks again. I knew there was a reason I liked you. ;-)(Before anyone gets pissy, I don`t just like people if they agree with me, I like people who challenge me as well, as long as they present their views in an educated fashion.)

    Tehrussian, I don`t have to separate his choices from his values. If I don`t agree with what he chooses to do, it wouldn`t be so far fetched to think that I must also have different morals and values, and therefore I disagree with his particular principles. However, there is a difference between my criticizing an ideology I`ve never been exposed to and one that I don`t agree with, which was the point I was making.

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    TeHrussian Male 18-29
    490 posts
    February 29, 2008 at 5:54 pm
    Wow Koala, guess what? EVERY military man is someone unique: an only son, father, brother, best friend, even grandfather sometimes. Yes, imagine that, some of us are willing to sacrifice our lives to defend the free way of life! Even if snot-nosed punks like you choose to talk trash about us, we just smile inside knowing that it`s becaue of us that you can do so. Go on and live your self-indulgent life in ignorance of what makes it possible.

    And no, I don`t need to read replies to other people to other people`s points, because they are irrelevant to the points I make.

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    Lauraly Female 18-29
    2259 posts
    February 29, 2008 at 5:57 pm
    Shaboobalah, if you actually did properly read my other posts then your reading comprehension must be incredibly low. If that`s the case, then I just feel sorry for you.
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    Lauraly Female 18-29
    2259 posts
    February 29, 2008 at 6:02 pm
    Tehrussian, if you`re going to attack a person for the opinions they`ve expressed then yes, you have to read the other things they have written on the matter. You just jumped on the bandwagon to challenge my views (poorly) without taking into consideration everything I had to say and now you`re being told what an ignorant, arrogant move that was.
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    KoalaMeatPie Male 18-29
    2578 posts
    February 29, 2008 at 6:05 pm
    TeHrussian:
    1st - I`m Canadian.
    2nd - You yourself said the war was useless. The U.S. isn`t under much threat, if the U.S. wants threat, look towards China, but the U.S. Is scared sh°tless about China because they are stronger then said afformentioned country.

    3rd - You`re giving yourself a lot more credit then you deserve, but you wouldn`t be able to see that.

    The reason the U.S. did not colapse after 9/11 is because the goverment froze the stock market (among other things) They ahve been able to do this scince the stock market crashed incase it would ever happen again.

    You want to beleive men are dying out there for a good reason, the fact is they are not, but you hide it by believing that youa re doing all of us a Favour.

    And not listenning to others but babbling makes you look really bad, it isn`t helping your point, makes you look like you`re speaking out of your ass.

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    KoalaMeatPie Male 18-29
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    February 29, 2008 at 6:06 pm
    4th - I was in the Royal Canadian Air Cadets for Five years, I picked up on or two things.
  76. Profile photo of TeHrussian
    TeHrussian Male 18-29
    490 posts
    February 29, 2008 at 6:06 pm
    Lauraly, so I don`t see anywhere in your statements that you have an udnerstanding of the guy`s values. There`s a claim about WW2, but that doesn`t even get you close. My grandfather was wounded during WW2 while serving, and I definitely had an appreciation for him risking his life to protect our country from being taken over. However, I did not quite understand the mindset until I had a chance to serve myself. I`ve been in that world for 4 years and I actually can draw from real experience, unlike you. Our families support what we do even if it`s not easy.

    So, now that we know that you don`t really understand what goes on in his head and how his family actually feels about it, let`s see what you`re contending.

    Anyone who was injured once in combat is a douche bag for going back? Anyone with a family has no business being in a combat zone (and by extension in the Marines)?

    I`m glad not everyone feels like you then, because then we`d have to institue a draft to fill empty ranks

  77. Profile photo of TeHrussian
    TeHrussian Male 18-29
    490 posts
    February 29, 2008 at 6:16 pm
    Koala (sigh)
    1- Canadian or otherwise, look at the history of the world and see how freedoms were gained (revolutions) and retained (diplomacy where military having a strong military gives you an advantage, or active warfare).
    2- I don`t agree with the war, though Saddam needed to be removed from power. The military did their job and well. Politicians screwed up the rest.
    3- Another ignorant statement. Not completely your fault. If you lived in a country that was at a point nearly overrun by a hostile force (Russia during WW2), you`d gain a better understanding of how thankful you should be. Either way, I`m not giving myself credit, but to the military in general.
    4- "Cadets is a federally-sponsored program for young Canadians ages 12 to 18 who are interested in participating in a variety of challenging and rewarding activities, and learning more about the Canadian Forces." From their official web site. If you feel that you picked up on anything relevant there, I
  78. Profile photo of KoalaMeatPie
    KoalaMeatPie Male 18-29
    2578 posts
    February 29, 2008 at 6:17 pm
    WWII was the last time there was a clearly victory over an enemy which poses a genuine threat, rather then running into a developing country and claiming victory over some ambiguous claim.

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    KoalaMeatPie Male 18-29
    2578 posts
    February 29, 2008 at 6:20 pm
    MMm hm, And what do the Cadets lead to?
    Who teaches us?

    Then there are the Reserves, which I also did, just not as long, the Air Base in St - Jean and Baggotvile which I attended.

    Baggotvile air base being a trainning center for CF-18s (F-18s).


    YEAH, I picked up a few things.

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    Lauraly Female 18-29
    2259 posts
    February 29, 2008 at 6:24 pm
    Tehrussian, first of all, you said that you couldn`t understand the mindset of a soldier until you served, which (based on your arguement) means that his family must not be able to totally understand either which means that they are on no higher level of understanding than I am. I am not arrogant enough to assume that I can fully appreciate what it means to be a soldier, but I can appreciate what it is like to be the family left behind. I`m sure that his family does support him, which is great, I never said that I didn`t support him. I want him to come home safe, I understand that he wants to protect the country, but I think it was irresponsible to go back when he came so close to dying with a small child at home. Yes, I think he is a douche bag of a father and of a husband. Do you really think that his wife had any say in this decision? If he wanted to go back, she couldn`t stop him, and all the begging in the world probably wouldn`t make a difference to such a hardened soldier.
  81. Profile photo of TeHrussian
    TeHrussian Male 18-29
    490 posts
    February 29, 2008 at 6:24 pm
    4- "Cadets is a federally-sponsored program for young Canadians ages 12 to 18 who are interested in participating in a variety of challenging and rewarding activities, and learning more about the Canadian Forces." From their official web site. If you feel that you picked up on anything relevant there, I feel sad for you basking in ignorance and feeling like you`re smart. Did you ever have to entertain the thought in your head that the next day you may go out on patrol and never come back? Nope, you only got to play army.
    PS: No, I don`t believe peole are dying out there for a good reason. My opinion on the war is that it`s not the job of the U.S. military to invade other countries. At this point, though it would be too detrimental (and irresponsible) for both U.S. and Iraqi people if we withdrew our forces without helping set up a stable government first.
    (combined posts for easier reading)
  82. Profile photo of KoalaMeatPie
    KoalaMeatPie Male 18-29
    2578 posts
    February 29, 2008 at 6:27 pm
    Hey, I`m the one who decided tog et out of it and gain an education rather then join a war to prove how big my d°ck is.
    Carefull when you trhow the word "Ignorant" around.

    Have I been exposed to the exact same thing you have? No.

    Have I been in the same environment and gone threw bootcamp?
    Yes.

    Do I know what Millitary life is?
    Yes.

    Do I disagree with you?
    Yes.

    Am I ignorant?
    Nope. I just see it from another way.

    I value different things.

    And btw, for those reading in, Russian deleted his post and reposted after I answered.

    He`s dissmissing me as Ignorant so he can beleive he`s right.

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    Lauraly Female 18-29
    2259 posts
    February 29, 2008 at 6:31 pm
    I didn`t say that people with families shouldn`t be in the military, I said that I cannot understand why someone would choose to be in the war when they have such a good reason for being home. He did his part, no one would look at him poorly for not going back to the war, he nearly died and yet he still chooses to be in a war zone over being with his daughter. You cannot possibly convince me of the sanity of that decision. I suppose you could say that I am old fashioned in my belief that both parents should be around to raise their children. Also.. he wasn`t just injured, he lost his entire freaking leg! That`s more than just a regular injury.
  84. Profile photo of TeHrussian
    TeHrussian Male 18-29
    490 posts
    February 29, 2008 at 6:34 pm
    Lauraly,
    begging? Maybe not. An ultimatum (as in you won`t have a wife and child to come home to) might`ve. However, what I do know is that military spouses almost never force the choice of what obligation to fulfill - to family or to fellow Marines. Either way, there`s nothing to suggest that the family was against it.

    Either way, the guy should get the benefit of the doubt. I believe that he spoke to his family and considered his responsibility to them before making the decision to go back. Of course if you choose to believe (not sure based on what though) that his wife begged him not to go and feels abandoned at home now, I can`t with 100% certainty (maybe 99% though) say that`s the case.

    If he was as much of a "douche bag" as you make him out to be, I doubt he`d find a woman to marry him and bear his child.

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    Lauraly Female 18-29
    2259 posts
    February 29, 2008 at 6:40 pm
    Most people have made the decision to be in the military before ever having children. They don`t choose to abandon them. Once you join you have the obligation of carrying out your term or service, but once you`ve fulfilled your commitment, if you have children at home your new obligation is to go and be a father to them.
    Estilo said it best when she stated that this guy is married to the corps, not to his wife and not to the heart of his little girl.
  86. Profile photo of TeHrussian
    TeHrussian Male 18-29
    490 posts
    February 29, 2008 at 6:48 pm
    Sheesh, the replies keep rollnig in faster than I get to read them...

    Ok, Koala, I have good reason to believe that I have a broader view because I`ve been exposed to more things related to the topic.

    Lauraly, so his injury (leg amputation, if you will) is what your biggest concern is! Ok so the first time he went to Iraq, you`re fine with? As a Marine, it`s common to serve 6 months in Iraq every year. So he would`ve gone back there several more times. Loss of limb disqualified him from going back. However, he wanted to go back and was going to. The only thing that losing a leg did is put another obstacle in his way to doing what he was already planning and willing to do.

    Yes, though, I agree, that it`s beneficial to have both parents around to raise a child. But then it`s not a perfect world.

    Overall, I`d say let him and his family decide what`s appropriate for his situation.

  87. Profile photo of Lauraly
    Lauraly Female 18-29
    2259 posts
    February 29, 2008 at 6:54 pm
    wow, really.. you seriously think that douche bags don`t get married and have children? Why do you think we have shelters for abused women and their kids?
    Also, I didn`t say that I think his wife begged him not to go, but I would not be at all surprised if she didn`t even bother because she knew it wouldn`t make a difference. You choose to give him the benefit of the doubt, which is nice.. you choose to believe he had some wonderful well thought out reasons; I however choose to believe that he is doing this because he does not have his families best interests at heart. Thing is, neither of us have a way of really knowing. I was arguing that the idea of this is absurd; you are arguing that this particular man is completely in the right and were looking at my arguement in the same terms. I`m dealing with abstracts here and you with the concrete. We`re dueling and you happen to have an unloaded weapon.
  88. Profile photo of Lauraly
    Lauraly Female 18-29
    2259 posts
    February 29, 2008 at 7:04 pm
    tehrussian... I think your reading comprehension must be just as bad a shaboobalah`s. My biggest concern is that he left his daughter after coming so close to death. Semi re-post of something I already said:
    "Most people have made the decision to be in the military before ever having children. They don`t choose to abandon them. Once you join you have the obligation of carrying out your term of service, but once you`ve fulfilled your commitment, if you have children at home your new obligation is to go and be a father to them. "
    The military happens to see a major injury as a completion of the contract signed by enlisting.
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    TeHrussian Male 18-29
    490 posts
    February 29, 2008 at 7:15 pm
    Hmm, ok, I guess we don`t find out if it`s loaded until the appropriate moment. You keep bringing his family into this. So taking into consideration everything you say, having a family and chosing to be in the military is absurd? Seems like the part where he lost a limb is kind of irrelevant to your argument.

    Oh and by the way, yes I`m using concrete examples and personal experience counter your abstract perception of the issue. If you choose to think I have "an unloaded weapon," I have to point out that you forgot to bring one altogether.

    If you want to live in the world of abstracts, be my guest. I`ll stay in the real one where you called one particular guy a douche bag and suggested that he abandoned his family. I chose to call him a role model for overcoming obstacles, mental toughness and sacrifice. Whether his family approves of his actions, we may never know.

  90. Profile photo of TeHrussian
    TeHrussian Male 18-29
    490 posts
    February 29, 2008 at 7:21 pm
    Don`t assault my comprehension please. You have an argument against his actions based on nothing but generalizations and your opinion.

    Sorry but continuing to serve does not automatically make him a douche bag. There are considerations you chose to ignore by calling him that, and now you`re trying to defend it.

  91. Profile photo of Lauraly
    Lauraly Female 18-29
    2259 posts
    February 29, 2008 at 7:35 pm
    And yet again we come down to choices.. choices on what to believe both regarding this particular case and in our own personal lives. I said it`s nice that you are optimistic enough to believe that he had all the best reasons for making this choice. I happen to think that family is more important than career, and you think differently... I am not surprised, you said that you`re a former marine, so you`re pretty biased as it is.

    Now, I am willing to say that perhaps my views are rather complicated so I have possibly done a poor job of expressing them to you, but I am getting rather tired of stating that:
    -it is OK to join the military
    -if you have been injured severely then you should resign from the military
    -it is bad to leave behind your children because you want to go to war, no matter what your reasons are
    -it is worse to return to war after being severely injured if you have children at home because now you no longer have the invincible mentality that many young pe

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    Flakk Male 13-17
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    February 29, 2008 at 7:39 pm
    I`m a little suprised by your reactions, IAB, wierdly hostile.
  93. Profile photo of TeHrussian
    TeHrussian Male 18-29
    490 posts
    February 29, 2008 at 7:42 pm
    Hmm ok, well I`m not going to argue with personal values. I guess I`m lucky that I did not get to repeat this guy`s "mistake" by going through with a commitment I made.

    At the same time, yes, I`m biased because I know what it`s like to make such a serious commitment and follow through on it. You may not have had an experience like that. Family is just another commitment, and in weighing the two the person`s own values and those of the family factor in. We know what his are, but not the others.

    I`ll make sure and pass onto a few of my friends that they`re wrong for continuing to serve our country after having been injured in combat.

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    Lauraly Female 18-29
    2259 posts
    February 29, 2008 at 7:43 pm
    people have.

    I was insulting your comprehension because you continue to question exactly what I think when I have written it many different ways to get my point across. I have multiple thoughts on the topic, and it is this particular combination of things that I dislike.
    Your argument is no stronger than mine, it is still opinion with the added factor that you are imprinting your own thoughts and values on this guy. At least I was not coming into this with a biased view.
    I am not ignoring considerations... you are simply making up ones as you go along so that your thoughts seem stronger in your own mind.

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    Lauraly Female 18-29
    2259 posts
    February 29, 2008 at 7:54 pm
    I said severely injured, getting shot isn`t nearly as severe as having to have an amputation. I`ve had friends who have continued to serve after having injuries as well, and I wouldn`t say they were wrong for doing so. They however didn`t have children waiting for them at home, which in my opinion makes going back a poor choice if you`ve been discharged due to injury.
    It is nice to see that you agree with a statement I made earlier that family is also a commitment; I happen to think that it is wrong for him to place his commitment to the marines (i.e. his career) over his commitment to his family. But, that is my opinion based on my values which you agreed to finally stop arguing with.
  96. Profile photo of TeHrussian
    TeHrussian Male 18-29
    490 posts
    February 29, 2008 at 8:12 pm
    I never argued with your values. I argue with your unfounded perception that he is somehow a bad person for going back without knowing the particulars or understanding him.

    Oh and by the way, my reading comprehension has nothing to do with you expressing your thoughts unclearly and contradict yourself (eg: "I do not take issue with his choosing to be in the military" but then saying "if you have been injured severely then you should resign from the military" OR "Now, I am willing to say that perhaps my views are rather complicated so I have possibly done a poor job of expressing them" and then back to I was insulting your comprehension because you continue to question exactly what I think when I have written it many different ways to get my point across.") If you can`t communicate clearly, it`s not the reader`s fault.

    I`m glad to see you learning the most basic way of doing it through a bulleted list.

  97. Profile photo of Lauraly
    Lauraly Female 18-29
    2259 posts
    February 29, 2008 at 8:39 pm
    You mentioned yourself that posts kept coming so quickly that it was getting difficult to keep up, so my posts are slightly out of sync with yours as I was continuously responding to something you said.
    I don`t have a problem with him choosing to be in the military, I have a problem with him choosing to return to the military after being discharged for a severe injury when he has family at home. Good job on putting things I said out of context. You can manipulate how people see your argument, bravo. You did it before to Koala as well.
    Here I was thinking that we were possibly getting somewhere and being more civil, but you felt the need to attack once again. Yes, I was being big enough to say that perhaps I did a poor job of making my points clear to YOU (lots of other people seemed to understand) but then again, you already proved that you`re not actually adept at joining arguments because you won`t read a person`s positions and will just jump on a bandwagon to attack them.
  98. Profile photo of Lauraly
    Lauraly Female 18-29
    2259 posts
    February 29, 2008 at 8:46 pm
    And, my values are the basis for my perception of him as a bad father/husband. The particulars are simple.. he was discharged due to his amputation, he basically begged to be allowed to go back to Iraq, and was allowed only after swimming the escape from Alcatraz. He chose the military over his family, and that is wrong.
    I swear to god, I have written that same basic argument over and over an if you haven`t been able to understand it by now then you never will, and that is your fault.
    Also, how arrogant are you to assume that you understand him when you don`t even know him. At least I admit that I don`t understand someone I don`t know. You continue to think that you share some special secret bond with a total stranger because you both were in the military. You don`t know any more than I do on this particular story, so if you`re going to say that I shouldn`t judge him poorly then you shouldn`t judge him in a good light either.
  99. Profile photo of Lauraly
    Lauraly Female 18-29
    2259 posts
    February 29, 2008 at 9:02 pm
    I`m going to put it like this, you lost this argument the minute you said that you weren`t going to read all of my points, because that just shows you only focus on things that could possibly help your side and not anything that might make you think twice about what you`re saying. The only mistake I`ve made tonight was in bothering to argue with you knowing full well that you are ignorant, arrogant, and unwilling to consider other people`s ideas. You are so full of yourself that you just assume that you`re all knowing and everyone else is wrong compared to your vast knowledge and experiences. Unfortunately for you, that is not that case, but I don`t see that ever getting through your thick skull. If you want to consider this post as "proof" that you won, feel free, because I`m done. I`m going to be the bigger person and just walk away... there is no getting through to you, and I`m going to make myself look stupid if I keep bothering. I should have cut out when Koala did.
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    TeHrussian Male 18-29
    490 posts
    February 29, 2008 at 9:21 pm
    Haha, Yes yes yes! I win!

    Wow, I sure do hope you never get to teach kids. You`re the worst kind of ignorant person. You believe that there is no way you can be wrong and continue to make absolute statements without regard for the person. And guess what? I do understand him. I know dozens of people that would do the same thing. I know at least 2 that did something similar (shattered femur vs amputation). I would do it myself.

    I feel bad for any husband you may ever have. He is doomed to misery.

    Chris Rock nailed it when he said "We men are handicapped when it comes to arguments, cause we have a need to make SENSE."

    Ok, you`re infallible.

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    LoofahBoy Male 18-29
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    February 29, 2008 at 9:29 pm
    Ha! You kids are just so cute. ^.^
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    dragonrice Male 18-29
    632 posts
    February 29, 2008 at 9:41 pm
    He just wants his revenge.
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    Drawstring Male 18-29
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    February 29, 2008 at 9:49 pm
    Ok so i was going to type this big long argument but i went back and read and another Marine did post. If you are not a Marine you have no idea what is like to depend on other people and have them depend on you. He signed up to do job and he is doing that. The moto is Semper Fi, ALWAYS Faithful, he is living up to that, another moto, Its Do or Die, again he is living up to that, Marines come first, This Marine is one hard charging motovated man. All of you that hate Bush, sucks to be you, Cananda isnt that far form the US. And all of you that say we are destroying the country of Iraq, wait till we pull out, it wont exist any more. Go through boot camp and then tell me this guy is a retard. Till then you have NO idea, None what so ever.
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    Liquidglass Male 18-29
    1111 posts
    March 1, 2008 at 1:20 am
    koalaMeatPie: You`re guessing at what`s going on his head you have to look at the other points of view the whole protection thing I mentioned earlier.

    Yes yes, I know what happens to marines worse than any other army member.

    I agree COMPLETELY on troops being pawns.

    But she did say something about WWII look back at her comment

    And you can also argue that if the tank wasn`t there, then other damage would have been somewhere else by the same people that would have died in the tank. If people want to kill bad enough they`ll find someone to kill. Not being there doesn`t stop them, it just delays it

    - he can protect his family if he believes being over there is protecting them

    -if you`re going to preach to someone about knowing what they`re talking about talk to your friend "lauraly" over here. Because your comment
    "It makes you an ignorant douchebag."
    seems to apply to her.

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    Liquidglass Male 18-29
    1111 posts
    March 1, 2008 at 1:21 am
    EstiloPanama:
    Lol so you`re questioning his love, his loyalty, and his quality of a dad and husband. You`re a dumbass. Pull your head out of your ass and try to think of a different point of view. He might actually believe he`s protecting the by going back. If he truly believed that, and you agreed. What would you think about him then?

    I`m not a marine, and I`m not in the military, but Lejune is a nice camp, are they trash because you don`t agree with their choice of job? You`re a dumb ass. Period.

    The same could be said "what is with the money driven idiots out there?" just fill in the blank. Everyone is an idiot for what they chase. You just don`t think so if it happens to agree with your point of view.

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    Liquidglass Male 18-29
    1111 posts
    March 1, 2008 at 1:21 am
    Lauraly: Lol I didn`t even begin to insult your intelligence, I insulted your process of thinking and your seemingly inability to consider a point of view different than yours. But coming from your comments I don`t think I need to insult your intelligence any more than you have yourself.

    1) no need to reply
    2) Wrong didn`t say, you couldn`t make an opinion, I said you weren`t taking any other opinion into your scope of thought.
    Lol firstly, it`s my choice, much like your opinion what to reply to. Depends on if it`s worth typing back. Secondly, my response was logical in viewing the situation from a different angle. An emotional response would be the one you made on how he`s leaving his family, and how you`d break his leg, etc etc. Stop projecting onto my rebuttal. If you`re going to make an argument against me at least make it valid and applicable.

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    Liquidglass Male 18-29
    1111 posts
    March 1, 2008 at 1:22 am
    3) does this ring a bell?

    "I will never understand people who would rather risk their lives for a lying sack of poo president"

    I didn`t say you were speaking about him secificly with that statement if it came off that way, that`s my fault. So this is the clarification. The point I made against that statement was simply a generic point.

    You`re right it "could" slow him down, if he was in the field, but they said he would be sitting in the command center, so I`m pretty sure it won`t slow down his brain processing and ability to give commands.

    again know what you`re talking about before you say something. Even if you apparently disagree with the need to do this by this statement

    "I don`t have to understand anything"

    It`s obvious that you don`t, can`t, or won`t understand anything as well.

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    Liquidglass Male 18-29
    1111 posts
    March 1, 2008 at 1:23 am
    4) lol who didn`t have family in WWII? I had family on both sides of it since I`m mostly German.
    So hold on how did I "once again" prove myself as a hypocrite, I never did it in the first place. Dumb ass.

    My point about WWII is that, you WEREN`T ALIVE during that time, so yes you may have heard stories, etc etc. But it`s not relevant because you didn`t have the ability to have an opinion while it was going on or feel emotions about it. You`re only using hindsight on it, which is much easier to do.

    hold on WTF?
    "If you even try to compare the validity of WW2 to the War in Iraq or try stating that they are equally important then I should just end my argument here."

    lol who brought WWII up to begin with, oh yeah, you, using it as a basis of comparison. But yeah you should have ended your argument a long time ago.

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    Liquidglass Male 18-29
    1111 posts
    March 1, 2008 at 1:23 am
    5)No this was far from a personal attack it was using your own emotions as a reference point to attempt to help you empathize.
    With my opinion in there that since it seemed you couldn`t understand his point of view you had probably never experienced certain emotions in your life


    "hypocrisy" ? again, You do know the definition of this right? If you`re really trying to tear down my arguement at least use the words in the right places. (yes this part is a personal attack, just in case you`re not sure.)

    lol well trust me Lauraly, I don`t know you and I`m glad you`ve had the guts to stand up for something. Thanks for clarifying that point, which is why I left wiggle room in my comment and didn`t definitely say you were a quitter. (this part was sincere)

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    Liquidglass Male 18-29
    1111 posts
    March 1, 2008 at 1:24 am
    But I am curious. It seems like you`re telling me I can`t make a judgment call on your personality based on your comments and then express my opinions from that little glimpse into what makes your mind tick.
    this wouldn`t be true would it? Because then you would be a hypocrite (I used it correctly, enjoy)

    quick note:
    If I was going to call you a quitter I would, you`d just have to accept my opinion wouldn`t you?

    Lol and you can tell me "not to dare" do anything, but it won`t work, save your time typing it.


    He COULD take a political route but the war would be over before he got anything done with it. And he`s not putting his life in danger, he`s going to be at a desk job helping his troops remotely. Without danger, except maybe he`ll get hungry.

    I assume nothing, I take the information I have and go no further.
    a) you can`t understand WWII I dont` care what you think you know, you weren`t there, so you can`t grasp it, period.

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    Liquidglass Male 18-29
    1111 posts
    March 1, 2008 at 1:25 am
    b) I left room to be wrong when I was speaking of your commitment issues. If it was an assumption, it would be concrete.


    Lol now you`re calling other people idiots when you obviously didn`t know what you were talking about (putting himself back in danger, slowing down the troops, etc etc) Way to pay marginal attention to the only evidence we have and be quick to post to make yourself look like a dumbass.
    guess that is being a hypocrite again hmm?

    How about you don`t try to argue when you don`t know what you`re talking about, reference any point above that is relevant for evidence.

    so ok help this make sense here you go from

    a) I even said, all we can do is make assumptions because we don`t know this guy.

    to

    b) I`m criticizing a man because I don`t agree with his choices

    so it`s your opinion and assumptions and now you`re criticizing even though you admit you don`t know the guy.

    Nice job, dumb ass

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    Liquidglass Male 18-29
    1111 posts
    March 1, 2008 at 1:25 am
    KoalaMeatPie: Any situation can apply to your little emotional appeal

    "your dad died in........"
    (a car wreck, a gang fight/crossfire, in the bathroom of a heart attack, of suicide, or how about in another terrorist attack)

    HE`s going to be behind the lines, no live action for him. Not a good chance he`s going to die.


    Lauraly: seriously, I don`t think you`re one to mention any kind of level of comprehension. since you "don`t need to understand anything"

    Another emotional response it seems. And actually yeah his wife probably had a long talk with him and they reasoned it out. Which is probably why he chose to take a desk job rather than something even slightly more dangerous.

    You are arrogant enough to assume it seems.

    "Estilo said it best when she stated that this guy is married to the corps, not to his wife and not to the heart of his little girl."

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    Liquidglass Male 18-29
    1111 posts
    March 1, 2008 at 1:26 am
    Holy crap, another overly emotional response. You`re even using the western "seat of emotion"(the heart) for your argument. Something that is just an organ we associate with an emotion. Dumb ass. I don`t know if I can tell you that enough.

    "abused women and their kids" lol well at least you don`t have to worry about him abusing them if he`s overseas hmm?


    and you`re arguing in concrete terms that he`s retarded for going back, you said you`re self you`re criticizing him now it says you`re saying the "idea" is absurd. Stop trying to wiggle out of responsibility for your point of view. I`d respect you if you were able to hold a point logically.

    Lauraly: The reason TeHrussian isn`t understanding what you`re saying is because not only does your comprehension suck, but your ability to express yourself logically without contradicting yourself is incredibly bad.

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    Liquidglass Male 18-29
    1111 posts
    March 1, 2008 at 1:27 am
    And BS on your "way to put things out of context" my ass you`ve done that the whole time, but honestly I think it`s just because you`re stupid not because of your ability to manipulate.

    Lauraly: you lost this argument when you said "I don`t need to understand anything"


    Whew that felt good, now see how many days it takes you to read through and comprehend that.

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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    March 1, 2008 at 1:07 pm
    LiquidGlass: no-one`s debating this anymore.
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    ImNoGod Male 18-29
    1149 posts
    March 1, 2008 at 3:51 pm
    Now that`s a frigging marine!
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    Liquidglass Male 18-29
    1111 posts
    March 1, 2008 at 4:54 pm
    lol you`re right almightybob1, but I didn`t get a chance to come back to the forum until late in the day so I felt like replying, more so to get it out of my system. I could care less if anyone ends up reading it. Just satisfies my itch to debate.
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    Karumii Male 18-29
    19 posts
    March 2, 2008 at 12:28 pm
    Who cares?

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