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Lauraly: you lost this argument when you said "I don`t need to understand anything"
Whew that felt good, now see how many days it takes you to read through and comprehend that.
"abused women and their kids" lol well at least you don`t have to worry about him abusing them if he`s overseas hmm?
and you`re arguing in concrete terms that he`s retarded for going back, you said you`re self you`re criticizing him now it says you`re saying the "idea" is absurd. Stop trying to wiggle out of responsibility for your point of view. I`d respect you if you were able to hold a point logically.
Lauraly: The reason TeHrussian isn`t understanding what you`re saying is because not only does your comprehension suck, but your ability to express yourself logically without contradicting yourself is incredibly bad.
"your dad died in........" (a car wreck, a gang fight/crossfire, in the bathroom of a heart attack, of suicide, or how about in another terrorist attack)
HE`s going to be behind the lines, no live action for him. Not a good chance he`s going to die.
Lauraly: seriously, I don`t think you`re one to mention any kind of level of comprehension. since you "don`t need to understand anything"
Another emotional response it seems. And actually yeah his wife probably had a long talk with him and they reasoned it out. Which is probably why he chose to take a desk job rather than something even slightly more dangerous.
You are arrogant enough to assume it seems.
"Estilo said it best when she stated that this guy is married to the corps, not to his wife and not to the heart of his little girl."
Lol now you`re calling other people idiots when you obviously didn`t know what you were talking about (putting himself back in danger, slowing down the troops, etc etc) Way to pay marginal attention to the only evidence we have and be quick to post to make yourself look like a dumbass. guess that is being a hypocrite again hmm?
How about you don`t try to argue when you don`t know what you`re talking about, reference any point above that is relevant for evidence.
so ok help this make sense here you go from
a) I even said, all we can do is make assumptions because we don`t know this guy.
b) I`m criticizing a man because I don`t agree with his choices
so it`s your opinion and assumptions and now you`re criticizing even though you admit you don`t know the guy.
Nice job, dumb ass
quick note:If I was going to call you a quitter I would, you`d just have to accept my opinion wouldn`t you?
Lol and you can tell me "not to dare" do anything, but it won`t work, save your time typing it.
He COULD take a political route but the war would be over before he got anything done with it. And he`s not putting his life in danger, he`s going to be at a desk job helping his troops remotely. Without danger, except maybe he`ll get hungry.
I assume nothing, I take the information I have and go no further. a) you can`t understand WWII I dont` care what you think you know, you weren`t there, so you can`t grasp it, period.
"hypocrisy" ? again, You do know the definition of this right? If you`re really trying to tear down my arguement at least use the words in the right places. (yes this part is a personal attack, just in case you`re not sure.)
lol well trust me Lauraly, I don`t know you and I`m glad you`ve had the guts to stand up for something. Thanks for clarifying that point, which is why I left wiggle room in my comment and didn`t definitely say you were a quitter. (this part was sincere)
My point about WWII is that, you WEREN`T ALIVE during that time, so yes you may have heard stories, etc etc. But it`s not relevant because you didn`t have the ability to have an opinion while it was going on or feel emotions about it. You`re only using hindsight on it, which is much easier to do.
hold on WTF?"If you even try to compare the validity of WW2 to the War in Iraq or try stating that they are equally important then I should just end my argument here."
lol who brought WWII up to begin with, oh yeah, you, using it as a basis of comparison. But yeah you should have ended your argument a long time ago.
"I will never understand people who would rather risk their lives for a lying sack of poo president"
I didn`t say you were speaking about him secificly with that statement if it came off that way, that`s my fault. So this is the clarification. The point I made against that statement was simply a generic point.
You`re right it "could" slow him down, if he was in the field, but they said he would be sitting in the command center, so I`m pretty sure it won`t slow down his brain processing and ability to give commands.
again know what you`re talking about before you say something. Even if you apparently disagree with the need to do this by this statement
"I don`t have to understand anything"
It`s obvious that you don`t, can`t, or won`t understand anything as well.
1) no need to reply2) Wrong didn`t say, you couldn`t make an opinion, I said you weren`t taking any other opinion into your scope of thought.Lol firstly, it`s my choice, much like your opinion what to reply to. Depends on if it`s worth typing back. Secondly, my response was logical in viewing the situation from a different angle. An emotional response would be the one you made on how he`s leaving his family, and how you`d break his leg, etc etc. Stop projecting onto my rebuttal. If you`re going to make an argument against me at least make it valid and applicable.
I`m not a marine, and I`m not in the military, but Lejune is a nice camp, are they trash because you don`t agree with their choice of job? You`re a dumb ass. Period.
The same could be said "what is with the money driven idiots out there?" just fill in the blank. Everyone is an idiot for what they chase. You just don`t think so if it happens to agree with your point of view.
Yes yes, I know what happens to marines worse than any other army member.
I agree COMPLETELY on troops being pawns.
But she did say something about WWII look back at her comment
And you can also argue that if the tank wasn`t there, then other damage would have been somewhere else by the same people that would have died in the tank. If people want to kill bad enough they`ll find someone to kill. Not being there doesn`t stop them, it just delays it
- he can protect his family if he believes being over there is protecting them
-if you`re going to preach to someone about knowing what they`re talking about talk to your friend "lauraly" over here. Because your comment"It makes you an ignorant douchebag."seems to apply to her.
Wow, I sure do hope you never get to teach kids. You`re the worst kind of ignorant person. You believe that there is no way you can be wrong and continue to make absolute statements without regard for the person. And guess what? I do understand him. I know dozens of people that would do the same thing. I know at least 2 that did something similar (shattered femur vs amputation). I would do it myself.
I feel bad for any husband you may ever have. He is doomed to misery.
Chris Rock nailed it when he said "We men are handicapped when it comes to arguments, cause we have a need to make SENSE."
Ok, you`re infallible.
Oh and by the way, my reading comprehension has nothing to do with you expressing your thoughts unclearly and contradict yourself (eg: "I do not take issue with his choosing to be in the military" but then saying "if you have been injured severely then you should resign from the military" OR "Now, I am willing to say that perhaps my views are rather complicated so I have possibly done a poor job of expressing them" and then back to I was insulting your comprehension because you continue to question exactly what I think when I have written it many different ways to get my point across.") If you can`t communicate clearly, it`s not the reader`s fault.
I`m glad to see you learning the most basic way of doing it through a bulleted list.
I was insulting your comprehension because you continue to question exactly what I think when I have written it many different ways to get my point across. I have multiple thoughts on the topic, and it is this particular combination of things that I dislike. Your argument is no stronger than mine, it is still opinion with the added factor that you are imprinting your own thoughts and values on this guy. At least I was not coming into this with a biased view. I am not ignoring considerations... you are simply making up ones as you go along so that your thoughts seem stronger in your own mind.
At the same time, yes, I`m biased because I know what it`s like to make such a serious commitment and follow through on it. You may not have had an experience like that. Family is just another commitment, and in weighing the two the person`s own values and those of the family factor in. We know what his are, but not the others.
I`ll make sure and pass onto a few of my friends that they`re wrong for continuing to serve our country after having been injured in combat.
Now, I am willing to say that perhaps my views are rather complicated so I have possibly done a poor job of expressing them to you, but I am getting rather tired of stating that:-it is OK to join the military -if you have been injured severely then you should resign from the military-it is bad to leave behind your children because you want to go to war, no matter what your reasons are-it is worse to return to war after being severely injured if you have children at home because now you no longer have the invincible mentality that many young pe
Sorry but continuing to serve does not automatically make him a douche bag. There are considerations you chose to ignore by calling him that, and now you`re trying to defend it.
Oh and by the way, yes I`m using concrete examples and personal experience counter your abstract perception of the issue. If you choose to think I have "an unloaded weapon," I have to point out that you forgot to bring one altogether.
If you want to live in the world of abstracts, be my guest. I`ll stay in the real one where you called one particular guy a douche bag and suggested that he abandoned his family. I chose to call him a role model for overcoming obstacles, mental toughness and sacrifice. Whether his family approves of his actions, we may never know.
Ok, Koala, I have good reason to believe that I have a broader view because I`ve been exposed to more things related to the topic.
Lauraly, so his injury (leg amputation, if you will) is what your biggest concern is! Ok so the first time he went to Iraq, you`re fine with? As a Marine, it`s common to serve 6 months in Iraq every year. So he would`ve gone back there several more times. Loss of limb disqualified him from going back. However, he wanted to go back and was going to. The only thing that losing a leg did is put another obstacle in his way to doing what he was already planning and willing to do.
Yes, though, I agree, that it`s beneficial to have both parents around to raise a child. But then it`s not a perfect world.
Overall, I`d say let him and his family decide what`s appropriate for his situation.
Either way, the guy should get the benefit of the doubt. I believe that he spoke to his family and considered his responsibility to them before making the decision to go back. Of course if you choose to believe (not sure based on what though) that his wife begged him not to go and feels abandoned at home now, I can`t with 100% certainty (maybe 99% though) say that`s the case.
If he was as much of a "douche bag" as you make him out to be, I doubt he`d find a woman to marry him and bear his child.
Have I been exposed to the exact same thing you have? No.
Have I been in the same environment and gone threw bootcamp?Yes.
Do I know what Millitary life is?Yes.
Do I disagree with you?Yes.
Am I ignorant?Nope. I just see it from another way.
I value different things.
And btw, for those reading in, Russian deleted his post and reposted after I answered.
He`s dissmissing me as Ignorant so he can beleive he`s right.
Then there are the Reserves, which I also did, just not as long, the Air Base in St - Jean and Baggotvile which I attended.
Baggotvile air base being a trainning center for CF-18s (F-18s).
YEAH, I picked up a few things.
So, now that we know that you don`t really understand what goes on in his head and how his family actually feels about it, let`s see what you`re contending.
Anyone who was injured once in combat is a douche bag for going back? Anyone with a family has no business being in a combat zone (and by extension in the Marines)?
I`m glad not everyone feels like you then, because then we`d have to institue a draft to fill empty ranks
3rd - You`re giving yourself a lot more credit then you deserve, but you wouldn`t be able to see that.
The reason the U.S. did not colapse after 9/11 is because the goverment froze the stock market (among other things) They ahve been able to do this scince the stock market crashed incase it would ever happen again.
You want to beleive men are dying out there for a good reason, the fact is they are not, but you hide it by believing that youa re doing all of us a Favour.
And not listenning to others but babbling makes you look really bad, it isn`t helping your point, makes you look like you`re speaking out of your ass.
And no, I don`t need to read replies to other people to other people`s points, because they are irrelevant to the points I make.
Tehrussian, I don`t have to separate his choices from his values. If I don`t agree with what he chooses to do, it wouldn`t be so far fetched to think that I must also have different morals and values, and therefore I disagree with his particular principles. However, there is a difference between my criticizing an ideology I`ve never been exposed to and one that I don`t agree with, which was the point I was making.
Yes, I to would be VERY proud.
And nearly dying, being incapassitated then going back to show support.
Thats real nice, Your troops need you, And i`m sure they have somebody else in line.
You know who else needs you? Your familly, your little girl, they only have 1 father vs The entire US Marine core / meathshields.
You`re not all knowing.Don`t dissmiss it as a bunch of bullsh°t if you didn`t even read it.
It makes you an ignorant duchebag.
How do you separate his choices from the values they`re based on? Just because you don`t understand him, it does not mean that he is doing anything deplorable.
2nd- You don`t impress anyone by saying "I`ve created an acomean person just so I can..." It doesn`t amke you any more right because you`ve had something to say.
Way to skim over an argument, take a side, and post, making yourself look like an idiot because you didn`t actually take the time to read carefully.
Some people go through life without ever finding a purpose or a reason to be alive. For him, appearently, being a Marine is it. Serving in combat zones is an integral part of a Marine`s duty, we are all "combatants" (unlike any other branch where in certain jobs you can serve 30 years without touching a gun...).
As far as his family: the wife knew what she was marrying into. While spouses that stay at home certainly don`t have an easy time, if they`ve stuck around it shows an understanding of what their Marine is all about. At the same time, when you serve in combat, you come to realize that the lives of your fellow service members depend on you and vice versa. It`s kind of becomes a second family, and you`d certainly try to do anything you can not to let them down.
(Sorry that my post was so long that I had so many postings right after the other...)
Or so she says.
She`d know firsthand.
MARINES NEED TO GET OVER THEIR FU>KING SELVES. The glory or whatever of being a Marine is completely false. Being a Marine means you couldn`t get a high enough ASVAB score, or if you did, you didn`t have enough brains to select a more fitting job to suit the family. What is with the combat-driven idiots out there? I lived in Camp Lejeune, and the Marines I saw there were the epitome of PURE TRASH. Just trash. Nothing more, nothing less.
He has a family. He had a chance to be with them. He turned his back on them to go fight, and be in a senseless war. What a terrible husband. This is completely insane.
I support the soldiers myself, but this is beyond absurd.
5- See Number 3.There job consists of going after people, being shot at, and most importantly shooting and killing others.
He requested a place on the battlefield.
We once asked our instructer (who nt to Iraq) if she ever killed anybody - repsonce? "No."
Later on, she was teaching us how a RPG works and told us she once shot a tank.
"How many people where inside?""3-4""So, you killed 3 people?""No, I killed a tank."
And that was the end of that.
Sure, you can argue that If She wasn`t there, the tnak would have done dmg.
Not necessairly, if nobody was there, nothing would of happened.
That includes the troops.
2- He lost a leg, he`s going back to war to "show support" - leaving his wife and familly. I`ll tell you what`s going on in his head.
He thinks he`s doing good. *ALL* marines have had their personallity, soul, shattered. I`ve seen the exact moment it happens. The Army rebuilds them. He is not *whatever his name is* Anymore. He is no more. He`s a stranger, somebody else. He`s a number, and acts like one. There is no more *Him*.
3- Support the Troops not the war, unfortunatly the troops are Pawns in the war. To Army, no wars. Well, asides from Politicians throwing paper airplanes at each other.
Soldiers would love to go home, but they also love their "job" he was a marine, they`re different than the every day solider. No there`s a solider or veteran out there that understands his reasoning.
Most soldiers take 2nd and 3rd tours in iraq, for their own reasons.
Personally I just thought the whole video showed how desperate the military was for people. They wouldn`t take flat feet but they`ll take one leg. Those must be some killer arches
How many soldiers want to go home right now, back to their wife and daughter? He has the opportunity to do so, and to live a happy life with them and he gives his family the ol` "Feck you" and marches off to war again. I`m pretty sure there`s an American soldier/veteran somewhere who wants to punch him in the face right now.
I support the troops. I admire this guy`s gusto and determination. But it`s not bravery that`s making him do this; it`s egocentrism with a dash of idiocy.
I don`t care how "brave" this is. This guy has a little girl and a wife. For the rest of their lives the wife will never be carried over a threshhold, she will have to go through sex thinking, where the hell is his leg, because that sh*t would be weird, and his little girl will probably have to explain to all of her friends when they come over not to stare at Daddy`s leg. That`s if he survives now, if not, his wife and his daughter will eventually realize he sold them out for some stupid glory. I understand some people think comradery to your fellow soldiers is the most important thing, but if that`s the case don`t have kids, don`t get married. This guy is screwed in the head and sad, his daughter will probably be overpatriotic and won`t be able to figure out why she`s bitter in life, and his wife resentful and freaked.
I`m thinking that they see the world in a completely different fashion than we do. Those that see battle like soldiers probably see the world through different eyes. He went back in for his own reasons, whatever it may be. Personally, I respect guys like this. And I hope his family supports him.
Listen, I support the soldiers 100%, but we are in the war for bullpoo reasons and I will never understand people who would rather risk their lives for a lying sack of poo president with an agenda to prove himself than to be with their families. It would be one thing if it were WW2 all over again, but it`s not.
roughly: "they`re all firsts now. Probably just what it was like at 2 years old when I was learning to walk"
hahahah I would suppose that most people can already walk and run for that matter by the time they reach the age of 2.
It`s just sad that our respective governments are willing to abuse good, honest, brave soldiers` trust and risk their lives by sending them to a war over lies.
"Lets not talk about the fact there is a war, lets talk about a cuddly cute story of a single emotional soldier"
We salute you, good sir.
I`m sure you do, i`m sure you do ;P
Back home, you won`t believe the stereotyping one gets when they are disabled. It can definitely drive a person to go back.
"laMigra77...Oh wait, I`m not am ignorant, liberal dumb-ass. Good for him. Get in there and kick some more ass!"and i`m not some hateful, redneck, wannabe toughguy... ugh. point proven. i want to move to canada...
Oh wait, I`m not am ignorant, liberal dumb-ass. Good for him. Get in there and kick some more ass!
Reminds me of the movie `Johny Be Good`"I think I broke my dick coach.""Rub some dirt on it... it`ll be ok."
Fox news <3 the Marines
This seemed pretty genuine.