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631 Responses to Checkmate, Atheists!

  1. Profile photo of TomSFox
    TomSFox Male 18-29
    732 posts
    February 14, 2008 at 3:17 pm
    Link: Checkmate, Atheists! - OK, the God Delusion Index video caused quite a outrage yesterday. Let`s hear the other side. It`s a war on atheism.
  2. Profile photo of BikerTeen
    BikerTeen Male 13-17
    2113 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 12:54 am
    is this real?
  3. Profile photo of skypirate
    skypirate Male 18-29
    2422 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 12:58 am
    let the comments flow...
  4. Profile photo of BikerTeen
    BikerTeen Male 13-17
    2113 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 12:59 am
    i mean i am Christian but this guy is sad if it is real that is
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    DrkAng3LxNat Female 18-29
    1071 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 1:00 am
    i would rate it a 4 for giving me more reasons to believe religion is bullcrap, but I just can`t bring myself to rate anything that much to do with religion, especially christianity, such a high rating. so it gets a 1.
  6. Profile photo of GP623
    GP623 Male 13-17
    76 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 1:02 am
    In before the huge debate over religion? Or has it already begun?

    What a load of B.S...I didn`t watch the whole thing, I only watched up to 4-0.

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    B-Hazard Male 18-29
    2958 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 1:04 am
    Ill probably catch sh*t for this but.
    Assuming there`s an all powerful being based on little to no facts is just as absurd to me as assuming a being that may have such power doesn`t exist based on little to no facts.

    Not to mention: I`m so sick of people overall denying there may be a "creator of everything" based on one religion.

    That doesn`t make you atheist, sh*thead. It just makes you not christian.

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    duffytoler Male 40-49
    5195 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 1:04 am
    The countries with the most atheists have the lowest crime rates, the fewest murders. Religion makes life cheap - they figure when they kill you, your "spirit" just magically flies away somewhere else, heaven, hell, wherever. The atheist knows that THIS life, good or bad, is all the other poor slob`s got. Religion = insanity.
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    EvilM Male 13-17
    411 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 1:07 am
    It`s not real. This is the worst kind of slander, presenting false arguments for your opposition that are purposely rubbish. I say it`s more reasons to hate atheists, who are too pig-headed to just leave christians alone. Checkmate, bitch.

    (and before you start complaining, I mean christians as a whole, not the preachy, over zealous minority. They deserve everything they get.)

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    rasputinxxx Male 18-29
    128 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 1:07 am
    so the verdict is clear...religion (read christanity) causes hair loss
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    penguinfogel Male 18-29
    142 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 1:09 am
    lol Im pretty sure this isnt a Christian argument, And I wouldnt be surprised if this video isn`t BS just made to make Christians look stupid..... Ya so lets just end this debate before it starts because this video is 100,000,000 times more offensive then the God Dillusion test. This ones more offensive to sanity though then religion.
  12. Profile photo of GP623
    GP623 Male 13-17
    76 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 1:09 am
    Weeell, I go to a Catholic school, so...yeeah.

    Anyways, it appears that the Jewish, Catholic, and I think muslim faiths all have their traces back to Abaraham...

    Just saying it, eh?

  13. Profile photo of BikerTeen
    BikerTeen Male 13-17
    2113 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 1:09 am
    dude am i the only Christian on IAB?
  14. Profile photo of GP623
    GP623 Male 13-17
    76 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 1:09 am
    ^^

    *points to myself*

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    blargendarg Male 30-39
    376 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 1:11 am
    obviously meant to be a joke... but then it`s not that funny. you want funny, watch hell house.. that`s christians being funny.
  16. Profile photo of EvilM
    EvilM Male 13-17
    411 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 1:11 am
    Huh... just checked his name in google... Guess he is christian...

    carry on :-).

  17. Profile photo of penguinfogel
    penguinfogel Male 18-29
    142 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 1:11 am
    And I know longer have batpoo crazy as a goal, because honostly, do you really want to keep a guy like this company.


    Not sayin hes batpoo crazy for bein religious, just sayin he`s batpoo crazy.

  18. Profile photo of FightTheRage
    FightTheRage Female 18-29
    18 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 1:11 am
    The banana was the best part.

    that is all.

  19. Profile photo of EvilM
    EvilM Male 13-17
    411 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 1:12 am
    actually BikerTeen, I`ve looked at a few profiles on I-A-B, and it`s suprising how many christians are members here.
  20. Profile photo of penguinfogel
    penguinfogel Male 18-29
    142 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 1:13 am
    argh meant no, not know. And no Bikerteen your not the only Christian, some of us just dont like being baited so we refuse to get involved.
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    fodarexiii Male 18-29
    623 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 1:15 am
    This guy makes Christians and religion look bad. If that`s his intent, good job.

    I think religion is like a guide book for life. Regardless who`s right, forget the formal names like `God` and `Allah` etc etc and you`ll see that all the messages are pretty much identical across the board... as long as you`re not spending hours trying to interpret every word, missing the basic messages and accusing everyone else of being wrong and condemning them to hell. I`m Christian myself and I don`t think Jesus or God really care if you ACTUALLY believe in them, as long as you carry out their messages by living a happy life and being a kind person to others.

    And there is no debate, who the hell cares if one of us believes in a higher being or not. If it puts us at ease regardless of our beliefs, shouldn`t you be happy for them? Guess not, seems impossible for the human race to let someone else be happy with something you don`t believe.

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    maddux32 Male 30-39
    926 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 1:15 am
    I don`t even have to be a Christian to destroy this guy in a debate. He pretends to be intelligent because he thinks he`s talking to brainwashed Christians, thereby creating a false reality of his own ego. But his arguments (going back to the original "God Index" post) are sophomoric and presumptuous.

    Put me one on one with this guy and I`ll rip him an ass. I`m throwing down the Gauntlet right here.

  23. Profile photo of Lionhart2
    Lionhart2 Male 40-49
    8306 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 1:17 am
    *****

    OK let`s start with this fact: I AM A CHRISTIAN and even though I have an enquiring, scientific and sceptical mind, I believe even though it doesn`t make logical sense to. In a sense that`s logical anyway, because if you could prove it, it wouldn`t need to be Faith would it?

    But guys like this really turn my stomach. You don`t start out trying to convince unbelievers by instantly using soppy feelgood phrases like "our heavenly Father", that`s going to lose you 80% of your listeners right there. And try getting your facts straight too - AGNOSTICS don`t believe in God PERIOD, your definition of them is completely wrong.

    So if I, a believing Christian, turn this off 15 seconds in because you`ve already convinced me you`re an idiot, what chance have you got of reaching your target audience?

    All Christians should bear in mind that old saying,
    "Don`t be so heavenly minded that you`re no earthly use"

    *****


  24. Profile photo of BikerTeen
    BikerTeen Male 13-17
    2113 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 1:24 am
    23 post in 30 mins not bad
  25. Profile photo of BikerTeen
    BikerTeen Male 13-17
    2113 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 1:24 am
    wow 23 creepy
  26. Profile photo of EvilM
    EvilM Male 13-17
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    February 15, 2008 at 1:24 am
    ^Lionhart2
    Agree with you mostly, but might want to take another look at the meaning of agnostic.
  27. Profile photo of rasputinxxx
    rasputinxxx Male 18-29
    128 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 1:26 am
    well thats right...god made bananas for man`s pleasure...what a fine example
  28. Profile photo of BikerTeen
    BikerTeen Male 13-17
    2113 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 1:26 am
    EvilM speaking of the post at 1:12:55 AM cool!
  29. Profile photo of TheBLB
    TheBLB Male 18-29
    237 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 1:28 am
    This guy is an atheist, the same guy from the GDI, and he`s a terrile debater, annoying and condescending
  30. Profile photo of Asspenny
    Asspenny Male 18-29
    1348 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 1:28 am
    ahahahhahahaa, at first I thought i was gonna lose a few brain cells watching this but I love how steeped in sarcasm it is, and remember pray that you`re able to hold your seed in XP
  31. Profile photo of greened
    greened Male 18-29
    25 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 1:28 am
    This guy is an atheist mocking religion actually, but nonetheless, he`s really boring.

    B-Hazard: It`s called rational thinking. Religious people are the ones that need to prove there`s a god, atheists haven`t made claims there`s something to prove, therefore it`s more rational to not believe in what you can`t prove. Dawkins uses the example of a teapot in orbit around the earth, despite being able to prove it doesn`t exist(being too small to observe), you`ll be considered mad for believing it exists. Therefore you`re agnostic to the teapot, as you can`t disprove it, but of course you`re atheistic towards it, just as one should be to a god.

    The creation of the universe can today be fully explained without the need of a god in it, it couldn`t a few hundred years ago. God is only needed as comfort to people today, but even if god genuinely gives comfort in the name of placebo, it won`t make god anymore real, rendering it irrational to believe in god(s).

  32. Profile photo of B-Hazard
    B-Hazard Male 18-29
    2958 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 1:29 am
    -AGNOSTICS don`t believe in God PERIOD, your definition of them is completely wrong.-

    hey, so`s yours

  33. Profile photo of Lionhart2
    Lionhart2 Male 40-49
    8306 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 1:32 am
    OK correction, that bit about Agnostics didn`t quite come out right. Essentially an agnostic is someone who holds that knowing whether God exists or not, is impossible to know. I meant to imply that they do not HATE God because by definition they neither believe nor disbelieve in Him. To hate him they would have to know that He exists, which would make them not agnostics. OK?
  34. Profile photo of janus_games
    janus_games Male 18-29
    294 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 1:32 am
    Actually, Lionheart, agnostics run in two forms.

    1. Those who aren`t sure if a Creator exists or not.

    AND

    2. Those who don`t particularly care if one exists or not.

    His explanation here is correct.

    Athiests don`t believe in God PERIOD. Not necessarily agnostics.

    I personally am by definition Agnostic (as I can`t prove it either way, and to tell you the truth, I don`t care if one exists or not).

    I OTOH consider myself Athiest. I don`t believe there is a "God" out there. If I`m wrong, and "God" showed up on my doorstep, I`d say, `Oh, well, guess I was wrong there,` and continue going about unperturbed in my day to day life.

    However, this doesn`t mean I have the typical "religion is bad" mentality of most athiests. I think that religion, which in most places started as tribal stories, has a good bit of viable wisdom to impart.

    I don`t like the idea of forgiveness. My life is my life, good AND bad, and I take full responsibility for

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    AnwarNova Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 1:33 am
    sigh
  36. Profile photo of janus_games
    janus_games Male 18-29
    294 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 1:34 am
    it.

    I hate it when it cuts me off.

  37. Profile photo of B-Hazard
    B-Hazard Male 18-29
    2958 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 1:36 am
    -The creation of the universe can today be fully explained without the need of a god in it-

    I`m pretty sure they`re still working on the singularity, but I haven`t kept up much on it.

    A teapot in space is far from omnipotent. All I`m saying is if there is a single "thing" that started it all, the chances are overwhelming it`d be beyond us to find or "prove" anything about it.

    And I don`t see how atheists have less to prove in saying "There is no god" than theists do in saying the opposite.

  38. Profile photo of Lionhart2
    Lionhart2 Male 40-49
    8306 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 1:37 am
    > "I don`t like the idea of forgiveness. My life is my life,
    > good AND bad, and I take full responsibility for"

    MAY YOU BE COVERED IN BOILS AND MAY POISONOUS FROGS RAIN DOWN ON YOUR GRAIN STORE!! A THOUSAND JIHADS ON YOU AND YOUR POX-RIDDEN GRANDMOTHER!!

    ****

    Is that better???

  39. Profile photo of Windrider15
    Windrider15 Male 13-17
    656 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 1:37 am
    WTF is with I_A_B posting such poo on christians

    its obviously just a ripoff

    if you wanna oppress us then why dont you at least get to know us first?

    I swear you people are gonna get screwed over with all the assinine videos

  40. Profile photo of janus_games
    janus_games Male 18-29
    294 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 1:38 am
    Hmmm...yeah that sounds more like it.
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    Batmanners Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 1:38 am
    If this is what Christians think.

    Atheism: 1,000,000,000
    Christianity: FAIL!

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    Windrider15 Male 13-17
    656 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 1:39 am
    ^^ this is NOT what cristians think
  43. Profile photo of blargendarg
    blargendarg Male 30-39
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    February 15, 2008 at 1:40 am
    i find it difficult to believe that if god showed up on anyone`s doorstep they would go on unperturbed. and that includes this agnostic here.
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    Moenkie Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 1:42 am
    hahahahaha fits the human hand
  45. Profile photo of firth4eva
    firth4eva Male 50-59
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    February 15, 2008 at 1:48 am
    Wasn`t he just taking the piss?
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    quack_stud Male 13-17
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    February 15, 2008 at 1:48 am
    if you go to his myspace (which turns out to be a band page) it says its a comedy video. I have points which just destroy his arguments anyway except for the banana one because i`m sure it would pleasure him
  47. Profile photo of EvilM
    EvilM Male 13-17
    411 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 1:51 am
    It seems religeon is the new furry for I-Am-Bored. Do they like having big debaits or something?
  48. Profile photo of greened
    greened Male 18-29
    25 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 1:52 am
    First off, PLEASE read Dawkins "The God delusion".

    Secondly, we(athesits) don`t have ANYTHING AT ALL to prove as we`re not the ones making any claims, our belief of how the universe was created IS be supported by science, theism IS NOT. I cannot personally explain how everything started in detail, as it`s too complex for an everyday person to learn, but only a handful can fully explain the theory of relativity, yet we all know it`s true. Someone said "I believe in god because he`s so unlikely to exist that he must do it" - That`s very a irrational and flat out stupid argument, but people tend to use it. And no, a teapot isn`t omnipotent, but that`s not the point I was making either. For a more comprehensive explanation please read about Russel`s teapot.

  49. Profile photo of Invalok
    Invalok Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 1:59 am
    Isnt the God Delusion Index his own video as well? Maybe the Sarcasm was to subtle for me.
  50. Profile photo of B-Hazard
    B-Hazard Male 18-29
    2958 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 2:07 am
    I`m sorry, but I believe that "there is no god" is a claim that needs to be proven to be said.
    "there is no evidence there is a god" is an entirely different story.

    I`ve never delved into the topic either, but I know that the big heads can mathematically work back to the very beginning of the universe, to the beginning of the big bang, and they get roadblocked. That`s where the "singularity" or the single point they can`t solve comes up. They literally can`t figure out what made the bang.

    Looking at the teapot thing all I can say is I feel there`s a real difference between "knowing" the teapot isn`t there, and just not believing it is.

  51. Profile photo of Windrider15
    Windrider15 Male 13-17
    656 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 2:07 am
    Hey greened

    Why dont ou look up some facts first

    Countless times ,thwe bible has been PROVEN right by your OH SO SPECIAL science

    Noah`s ark
    The Flood
    Niniva

    its all there

  52. Profile photo of B-Hazard
    B-Hazard Male 18-29
    2958 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 2:16 am
    The flood in the bible is ripped from gilgamesh, an epic predating the bible by some 2000 years.

    Saying a great flood happened is one thing, saying it proves the bible is true is something else.

  53. Profile photo of greened
    greened Male 18-29
    25 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 2:22 am
    Windrider: What constitues a fact in your mind? Has Noah`s ark been proven? Give me your links instead. And even if "The flood" happened(which didn`t encapsulate more than a fraction of the earth) what does it prove, more than the bible realising a physical event?

    B-Hazard: No sorry, that was badly put of me, as you say, I can`t prove god doesn`t exist, but he lacks all form of evidence. I haven`t read about the big bang in a long while, and it could be true they don`t have a clue, yet. But that they can`t explain it doesn`t mean a deity started it off as the obvious alternative. Though if it was a deity, then what created the deity? That`s an even harder question to answer, in that case.

    P.s. Sorry for being slow, but english isn`t my mother tongue, so it takes a little longer, and a girl`s coming over now. But I liked discussing with you. Maybe I`ll come back later.

  54. Profile photo of TheWood
    TheWood Male 30-39
    211 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 2:23 am
    This is hilarious. If this guy is a real christian, he should just be excomunicated for showing the most pathetic side of Christianity. I stringly feel he is not though. This is all a hoax. What piss me off though is people like Windrider15 who claims science proves things as stupid as the story of a pathetic drunk guy being ordered by some dude in the sky to build a boat in order to save all species on earth but humans. What kind of bastard does that to what he created. Next they will say science proves that some dude walked on water showing photographic evidence perhaps (I have seen chris angels walk on a swiming pool... is he the new messia? I rather it be Penn and Teller though... they are funnier). I also noticed some drunk hobo saying he was the son of god yesterday in the street... he should start a religion since he actually has more credibility than this fuC$%ng book written by pathetic jesus freaks.
  55. Profile photo of Windrider15
    Windrider15 Male 13-17
    656 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 2:27 am
    ROFLMAO

    you seriously just made me wake up my brother cuz i laughed so hard

    if you actcually take the time to look up some of these thn we will talk but since you people are as narro minded as a fiber of hair im not going to waste my time talking to you about facts which you wont believe

  56. Profile photo of KoalaMeatPie
    KoalaMeatPie Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 2:31 am
    :-D.

    My work here is done.
    For now.

  57. Profile photo of TheWood
    TheWood Male 30-39
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    February 15, 2008 at 2:35 am
    Sorry... I just found I was wrong... here are some real evidence of what the bible says is true. Photographs of Jesus! ... or is it just some other pathetic hippies who thought it would be fun to dress up as Jesus and take some picture. I am confused now. Let`s call the pope!

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    TheWood Male 30-39
    211 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 2:37 am
    I am reallt sorry for you. Did you really have to wake your bother up? Please be quieter in your patheticness in the future. It would help your family.
  59. Profile photo of B-Hazard
    B-Hazard Male 18-29
    2958 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 2:41 am
    Dude, windrider. There more than likely wa a great flood on this planet, to that I`ll completely concede.

    But there was a written document (you`re fond of trusting ancient documents, right?) of a great flood a millennia before the bible even existed.

  60. Profile photo of B-Hazard
    B-Hazard Male 18-29
    2958 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 2:47 am
    -B-Hazard: No sorry, that was badly put of me, as you say, I can`t prove god doesn`t exist, but he lacks all form of evidence. I haven`t read about the big bang in a long while, and it could be true they don`t have a clue, yet. But that they can`t explain it doesn`t mean a deity started it off as the obvious alternative. Though if it was a deity, then what created the deity? That`s an even harder question to answer, in that case.-

    I absolutely agree and I understand where you`re coming from now.

    I just have a real problem with the statement "there is no god" like I said before.

    As far as the big bang goes, I don`t necessarily believe there must have been a deity on the other end to make it work. But I know I can`t say there wasn`t.

  61. Profile photo of teph2112
    teph2112 Male 13-17
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    February 15, 2008 at 3:04 am
    This has either got to be
    1. Another dumb person
    2. Great comedy

    I thinks its number 2
    So stop arguing

  62. Profile photo of Manar
    Manar Male 30-39
    196 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 3:06 am
    It would be nice if someoue could find a video with some real arguments made by christians. Then we could have a read debate.

    This one was quite funny, but not very creative.

  63. Profile photo of Manar
    Manar Male 30-39
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    February 15, 2008 at 3:06 am
    Err, real debate that is.
  64. Profile photo of TheWood
    TheWood Male 30-39
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    February 15, 2008 at 3:11 am
    I love this thread... it is pure gold. Let`s start trigger some more pathetic answers: Jesus is a compound of different so-called prophets who probably got left ignored by the masses and were made famous under the concept of messiah by some freaky religious extremists.
    Also, let`s ask ourselves if the source of many believes such as unicorns, gremlins, dwarfs, aliens and other uncommon forms of fantasies should be added to the bible (we already have a seven headed dragon for the apocalypse... why not a feerie with a magic wand to turn sinners into enlightened christians or some goblins to enrich the story a bit).
    Last but not least: Let`s discuss about the gayness of the clergy. They rejected women after all.

    Anyone wants to give it a shot?
    Bring it on!

  65. Profile photo of TheWood
    TheWood Male 30-39
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    February 15, 2008 at 3:14 am
    teph2112: I totally aggree with you. Except that I think it is great fun to see religious people get mad at atheists. Really, what would they care if we are wrong if they were not themselves?

    This is all fun!

  66. Profile photo of Mani-Jac
    Mani-Jac Male 40-49
    805 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 3:21 am
    I think anyone who tries to impose his point of view on another is batsh¡t crazy.

    Who gives a crap what someone else believes? I like Asian food, a lot of people don`t, but I`m not gonna convince them into trying it and they don`t convince me of not eating it, the same goes for musical taste...so why not let it be the same for this whole agnostic vs. religion vs. atheism. bullsh¡t discussion

    WHO GIVES A SH¡T WHAT YOU BELIEVE!!!

  67. Profile photo of TheWood
    TheWood Male 30-39
    211 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 3:37 am
    Manu-Jac: I understand your view. The big difference is that Asian food and music tastes never started wars and cause people to become living bombs. In my opinion, religion should be banned for the better of mankind.
  68. Profile photo of thanatos16
    thanatos16 Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 3:38 am
    *loves conflict*
  69. Profile photo of TheWood
    TheWood Male 30-39
    211 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 3:41 am
    Did you start a war because your girlfriend dumped you :0)?
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    powpowking Male 13-17
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    February 15, 2008 at 3:47 am
    Religion FTW!!!
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    powpowking Male 13-17
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    February 15, 2008 at 3:51 am
    oh yeah...and...its ok..if religion and science are combined......in my religion classes....our teacher says that....despite the fact that our modern day science "disproves" some points in the bible...it doesnt mean the things in the bible are wrong.........what im trying to say is.......the bible was written in a time when science wasnt as wide spread as it is now......what ever was written in the bible was divinely insipred by God, but was also influenced on the time it was written......so........its not wrong...its right.......do you understand what im trying to say?
  72. Profile photo of Crowe
    Crowe Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 4:04 am
    this is much funnier than the god delusion index; much more tongue in cheek, took me `til 4-0 to realise is was lol at the end of the day, everyone learn to take a joke, seriously (no pun intended lol) i`m ginger, but i love this episode of south park `http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ginger_Kid... this isn`t even one of the better ones, according to friends who are fans, yet i think it`s lmao funny `cos it`s aimed at me. i got bullied alot in school, so got used to taking poo from people, but it took a matter of weeks, not years and decades of war. what`s more, i walk around my town often, it`s been a very long time since someone with another hair colour has even mentioned my own. they don`t care that much that we`re different. you might say your colouring is minor, but it`s what you make of it, just compare modern britain to a hundred years ago in regards to sexism. we still don`t have geneder equality or equally attemp
  73. Profile photo of leon109
    leon109 Male 13-17
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    February 15, 2008 at 4:09 am
    Guess what? I go to catholic school to gp6. I became an agnostic last year. I`m 14.
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    sampsonight Male 18-29
    4 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 4:12 am
    This guy is an Fin idiot.
    ^
    ^
    ^
    IAB says it so it must be true. Checkmate
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    leon109 Male 13-17
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    February 15, 2008 at 4:14 am
    See, the thing is, powpow, that we`re not trying to say it`s wrong, and the ones who do really shouldn`t preach that. It`s basically saying that you really don`t know if the events in the bible ever happened; they`re just too far off, and there`s nothing we can do about it. Those who believe it? Go ahead. Those who don`t? (like me) By all means.
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    leon109 Male 13-17
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    February 15, 2008 at 4:15 am
    What, I`m an idiot?
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    leon109 Male 13-17
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    February 15, 2008 at 4:15 am
    Or did you mean the vid? I skipped page 2 so I don`t know if you posted already.
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    Jizzms Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 4:19 am
    This. Guy. Sucked. He had some of the worst arguments ever.
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    Cy Male 18-29
    870 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 4:24 am
    Tiresome satire that wasn`t really that funny.
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    booble Female 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 4:46 am
    Ok did no one else notice that the same guy did the god delusion index and checkmate atheist???
    so obviously its a joke!!
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    SammyCyanide Female 18-29
    427 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 4:49 am
    Watching this video without sound in Web Design was interesting I guess. According to you guys, he was full of crap. I`ll take your word for it. D:
  82. Profile photo of Wubba D
    Wubba D Male 13-17
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    February 15, 2008 at 5:10 am
    the thing you have to ask yourself is this; say there IS a supreme creator of everything, would he really give a crap if you wank or not?
  83. Profile photo of shamille
    shamille Female 18-29
    831 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 5:16 am
    woah, atheists don`t hate God, they don`t believe in a God.
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    dijipo Male 13-17
    239 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 5:19 am
    this is a load of bs...I wonder why god created evil and consequently created people like saddam hussein and george bush etc...
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    jayisme350 Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 5:20 am
    keep adding crappy comments....your "posts" numbers will go up...IAB needs more moderating!
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    adamtastic Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 5:40 am
    I think the stupid people here aren`t the christians nor are they the atheists, but anyone dumb enough to ask `Is this guy real?`. Bikerteen you are a moron.
  87. Profile photo of fattpill
    fattpill Male 30-39
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    February 15, 2008 at 5:43 am
    THIS IS THE SAME GUY THAT DID THE GDI VIDEO WHY IS HE DEBATING HIMSELF.
  88. Profile photo of fattpill
    fattpill Male 30-39
    255 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 5:44 am
    THIS IS THE SAME GUY THAT DID THE GOD DELUSIONAL INDEX VIDEO. IS HE DEBATING HIMSELF.
  89. Profile photo of fattpill
    fattpill Male 30-39
    255 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 5:45 am
    ALL I EVER HEAR IS ATHEIST COMPLAING ABOUT GOD DO YOU EVER HEAR CHRISTIANS COMPLAINING ABOUT ATHEIST. LEAVE US ALL ALONE PLEASE
  90. Profile photo of fattpill
    fattpill Male 30-39
    255 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 5:48 am
    BY THE WAY IT TAKES FAITH TO BELIEVE THAT WE EVOLVED FROM MONKEYS RIGHT. SO THEREFORE ISNT THE BELIEF OF US EVOLVING INTO A HIGHER SPECIES A RELIGION?? IF YOU LOOK AROUND FOR HALF A SECOND ANYONE CAN SEE THAT NOTHING IN NATURE BETTERS ITSELF. SO I AM SUPPOSED TO BELIEVE THAT ONE TIME WE CHANGED FROM MONKEYS TO A BETTER SPECIES AND THEN IT STOPPED WITH OUT SOMEONE MAKING IT HAPPEN?? SO I ASK YOU WHY ARE THERE STILL MONKEYS???
  91. Profile photo of adamtastic
    adamtastic Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 5:53 am
    omg fatpill, you are so dumb. You are actually helping the atheists in this argument by proving how stupid christians are.
  92. Profile photo of IABLurker
    IABLurker Male 18-29
    34 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 5:54 am
    I personally believe that the universe could be created and exist both with and without a god. Both are possibilities, but neither can be proven and are both far fetched in their own ways.

    If somebody goes around preaching that they KNOW either side is right, then they have their head up their ass or are completely ignorant.

    I think its just best to sit back, try to be a good person, and consider every side a possibility until it is either COMPLETELY proven wrong, or proven right. So until then, I`ll continue to be agnostic.

  93. Profile photo of ProSlacker
    ProSlacker Male 18-29
    92 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 6:01 am
    Why are we arguing about a mock debate with one guy? Who care what other people believe them, let them cherish their own beliefs.
    And I only read the first and fourth page. And some of the arguments are pretty weird. Whatever. I`m gonna watch this lunacy unravel.

    Ohh and I`m Hindu :D POLYTHEISM FTW!!!!!! Haha

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    adamtastic Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 6:05 am
    IABLurker: I`m also an agnostic. And while I agree that both are possibilities, one has a lot of factual basis behind it and is commonly accepted by scientists, the other was written in a book a long time ago and there is nothing to back it up at all.
  95. Profile photo of ProSlacker
    ProSlacker Male 18-29
    92 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 6:15 am
    "IABLurker: I`m also an agnostic. And while I agree that both are possibilities, one has a lot of factual basis behind it and is commonly accepted by scientists, the other was written in a book a long time ago and there is nothing to back it up at all."

    Hate to be a hater but, science has proved a lot of things, it hasn`t disproved the bible all together. Atheists say they do not need to prove anything, but they do. They need to prove there is no God. And you cannot disprove God by saying, "Where that MoFo at?".

    And Darwinism doesn`t disprove God, just says there was evolution and not creationism (which I know is the platform for Christianity).

    What I did at 9:00 in the morning on my day off school. I argued with a bunch of f-in` 15 year olds about God. Great way of being productive, I need a girlfriend.

  96. Profile photo of Niyou77
    Niyou77 Male 13-17
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    February 15, 2008 at 6:18 am
    Hey, Lionhart2, I just wanted to clear up some confusion. Agnostics are those who would rather not take a side... Who don`t want to say there is a god, and who don`t want to say there isn`t one.
  97. Profile photo of WDanC
    WDanC Male 18-29
    410 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 6:19 am
    Religious debate gets me HOT!

    This is a tired argument. And you`re all sexy.

  98. Profile photo of Niyou77
    Niyou77 Male 13-17
    58 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 6:21 am
    Let people believe what they want to if they they it makes their life happy. Personally, I am an atheist, and I am not an non-nice individual. I don`t just come out and say "Christians are stupid." Like some idiots in the world. If it makes you happy, good. Live it, and love it.

    "Ohh and I`m Hindu :D POLYTHEISM FTW!!!!!! Haha" Damnit, you`re lucky.

  99. Profile photo of ProSlacker
    ProSlacker Male 18-29
    92 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 6:22 am
    "IABLurker: I`m also an agnostic. And while I agree that both are possibilities, one has a lot of factual basis behind it and is commonly accepted by scientists, the other was written in a book a long time ago and there is nothing to back it up at all."

    Hate to be a hater but, science has proved a lot of things, it hasn`t disproved the bible all together. Atheists say they do not need to prove anything, but they do. They need to prove there is no God. And you cannot disprove God by saying, "Where that MoFo at?".

    And Darwinism doesn`t disprove God, just says there was evolution and not creationism (which I know is the platform for Christianity).

    What I did at 9:00 in the morning on my day off school. I argued with a bunch of f-in` 15 year olds about God. Great way of being productive, I need a girlfriend.

  100. Profile photo of Dejablues
    Dejablues Male 18-29
    34 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 6:25 am
    fattpill, man, you really need to take your brain-to-mouth filter to a technician. You don`t need faith to know we evolved from monkeys. You only need to know how to read. Correct me if i`m wrong, but only 1% of human DNA differs from that of the Chimpance (sorry if i spelled it wrong, not my native language). Second, everything in nature evolves. From the Human brain to every plant on the f*in` planet. Do you think human kind now has smaller computers just because God said "Let there be Mac"?!
    Damn, i lost track...
  101. Profile photo of sertrbl
    sertrbl Male 18-29
    1422 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 6:28 am
    what the drat, fancylad?
    why liet this biased and hideously immature video on the site?
    reposting is one thing, but making half the population of the website dislike you is just stupid.
  102. Profile photo of Kairobi
    Kairobi Male 13-17
    134 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 6:28 am
    I laughed, because it was kinda funny.

    It`s pathetic how someone thought they`d try and get their anti-God views out like this, though. There`s debate, then theres mockery. This falls under the latter.

    Anyone deluded enough to put their opinion above anyone elses doesn`t deserve this kind of attention. All religion is opinion, like it or not. I personally don`t follow a religion, but I understand why some people do.

    Savvy?

    x.

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    Kairobi Male 13-17
    134 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 6:29 am
    And on a lighter note, why the hell wont my picture update??

    x.

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    rvbfan101 Male 13-17
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    February 15, 2008 at 6:29 am

    Interesting point Foderaxii; however i think that is we look into the Muslim faith; the religion seems to involve distant respect rather than the conveyed idea of close love that you should find in Christian churches (i say should, no church is perfect). If i have got the wrong end of the stick then please correct me.

    But my main point of joining iab was simply to say: many christians are not like that idiot on that video, i am one of them. I don`t say the bible is right because it says it is. And if people ask me about the origins of the bible i will openly state that it a compiled book of christian writings that some believe are Holy (Many Christians: all of it. Many Muslims: Pentachuke, Psalms and Gospels)

    Were not all dumb and arrogant.

    hehe the banana bit was funny ¦¬D
    an Biker teen you should see "23" - then this comments page would seem creepy!
    I think Both Lionheart2 and Maddux32 are right here as well.
    Kairobi`s got it right too - its al

  105. Profile photo of rvbfan101
    rvbfan101 Male 13-17
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    February 15, 2008 at 6:30 am
    It`s all opinion (cont.)

    now i`m preparing for hate mail; it`s what you get for sharing!

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    krembill Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 6:34 am
    is this like, irony?
  107. Profile photo of adamtastic
    adamtastic Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 6:35 am
    "Hate to be a hater but, science has proved a lot of things, it hasn`t disproved the bible all together. Atheists say they do not need to prove anything, but they do. They need to prove there is no God. And you cannot disprove God by saying, "Where that MoFo at?"."

    You do not need to PROVE there is no God, you cannot. But that doesn`t mean that there is. You cannot PROVE there is no Easter Bunny, Santa Claus, Tooth Fairy and yet I hope you don`t believe in those. There is just as much evidence that the world was created by a pink hippo than there is that it was created by god.


  108. Profile photo of Kuribabalon
    Kuribabalon Male 18-29
    19 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 6:47 am
    I`m a Christian but I`m also scientifically minded, so I feel the need to question things. I was never really a fan of the separation of science and religion. I think the two could do each other some good if people weren`t so exclusive to one or the other. For example:
    The Bible says that all of creation was created in 6 days (and then the 7th day God rested).
    However, modern science dates the world back, what, 6 billion years or something like that?
    So you either believe one or the other right? Not neccessarily. The biblical account of creation uses the Hebrew word "Yom" for what we translate as "Day." But the word more literally translates as "Age" (like in "Stone Age" or "Medieval Age"). This means that the 7 "Days" we hear so much about could quite possibly represent periods of time. Which would account for a lot of things, like dinosaur fossils for instance.

    Just wanted to give some of you something t

  109. Profile photo of ConverseUK
    ConverseUK Male 18-29
    1270 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 6:47 am
    I don`t `hate their heavenly father`. There just IS NO heavenly father. I`ve only watched about 5secs of the clip and already hate him for putting words in our mouths.
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    Kuribabalon Male 18-29
    19 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 6:49 am
    *Just wanted to give some of you something to think about.

    ~Kuri

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    Hansbo Male 18-29
    901 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 6:57 am
    The most sad part is that people believe this guy is serious.
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    ConverseUK Male 18-29
    1270 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 6:59 am
    I disagree..I think the `most sad` part is your grammar..
  113. Profile photo of VONLINE
    VONLINE Male 18-29
    578 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 7:07 am
    You know what? Maybe atheists have it right. Maybe this whole time I`ve been a complete moron believing in a silly make believe God. I mean, if you think about it, how have I been able to keep breathing up to this point. I`m THAT stupid! I don`t deserve any respect as a human being. Why would anyone even give me the time of day. I`m so unworthy of atheists` time. I mean, I`m a 23 year old college graduate who`s a homeowner who has a great job making good money, I`m happily married to a beautiful wife who`s pregnant with our first child. How did I ever get this far in life believing in "God"!?!? It doens`t make any sense! That settles it, I`m now officially atheist. Thank you atheists and IAB for opening my eyes, showing me the error of my ways, and making me realize that my existence up to this point has been a complete failure. What would I have done without you?
  114. Profile photo of burfordus
    burfordus Male 18-29
    30 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 7:20 am
    Wow, i have never seen such a flawed argument. Even if this is a joke video, it`s sick and stupid, and quite frankly, it makes me hate religion even more.

    I mean, its totally one-sided: you cant prove it, cant disprove it, therefore its an unreasoned and unstable argument that should be discounted and ignored. Go science.

  115. Profile photo of ConverseUK
    ConverseUK Male 18-29
    1270 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 7:23 am
    Wow, VONLINE, you actually are a complete moreon...
    What you`ve just said proves that bothe Theists and Atheists have exactly the same quality of life.

    Surely that proves that we don`t need a god in our lives at all, right?

  116. Profile photo of Mrs_C
    Mrs_C Female 18-29
    40 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 7:23 am
    Hey again everyone....wow...this is funny. Im a "Bat-poo crazy" christian and i found this more offensive than the atheist video. This person did a HORRIBLE job quoting scripture and defending Christianity. I thought his first point was funny. The second point is true too. The third point, for science peoples is true too. A reaction is any response caused by some other event, so the Big Bang could not have happened by itself (scientifically speaking). #4 is true too...did you know that there are trees (standing up) spanning millions of years intersecting geologic columns? #5 was dumb....and BTW, its not a sin...the story he is talking about, is always quoted incorrectly. #6-like i said yesterday, GOD IS NOT A MAGIC GENIE! his ideas on this is false. #7-Real Christians arent brainwashed...we are told to Challenge EVERYTHING we hear, not to take anything at face value. #8- SIN is an abomination in the eyes of god. THat included lying, stealing, cheating, or even jus
  117. Profile photo of Ratdog993
    Ratdog993 Female 18-29
    158 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 7:23 am
    1. I don`t hate your God
    2. The concept of the Bible not being real does not mean you can`t pick it up.
    3. Why do you base your life values on what a book says?
    4. If everything must have a creator then who created God?
    5. 2 thirds of the BIBLE websites you visited. Oh that`s not biased!
    6. Your banana idea - Atheist`s Nightmare
    7. I`m gonna pray for you to realise you`re wrong then.
    8. You just admitted you were brainwashed!
    9. Not the old `Adam and Steve` thing. Homosexuality is an example of our freewill and should be accepted not rejected.
    10. Has God ever crawled out from your Bible?
    11. Oh great, now you`re talking to your God, who conveniently, we can`t hear.
    CHECKMATE!
  118. Profile photo of Mrs_C
    Mrs_C Female 18-29
    40 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 7:23 am
    thinking about lusting after another person is sinning. That is an abomination. This guy forgets that Jesus loves everyone and that EVERYONE sins. #9--macro evolution is false. Even Darwin didn’t believe in it. Micro evolution is true. And for people who require scientific proof, they have NEVER been able to create life scientifically. Sometimes I think that you need more faith to believe in Macro evolution than to believe in God. #10-- first of all, I feel that we are not “speaking for the creator of the universe”. I feel that he speaks through us. (not literally of course people). But I do believe that if a person, regards the impossible odds of everything happening by accident higher than the possibility of a creator, they are arrogant. Most of them have never studied.

  119. Profile photo of Mrs_C
    Mrs_C Female 18-29
    40 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 7:23 am
    BTW, this guy on the video needs to do better studying. He said that 2/3 of the CHRISTIAN websites he went to disproved things. Well, if he really wants to be smart, as a christian he should have talked to an atheist. The best way to figure out what you believe, is to test it. Go and find what the other side thinks, and YOU try to disprove it. Do some research and figure out what you think. Don’t be brainwashed by atheists or Christians. Think for yourself…. Well, like I said, Christians don’t be bully’s. You are supposed to act like Christ. If you are attacking someone else maliciously, you are sinning and God holds Christians more accountable than the gentiles.
  120. Profile photo of burfordus
    burfordus Male 18-29
    30 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 7:24 am
    Oh and another thing (hogging room here, sorry) people who attribute their success on some higher power are retarded. Just like people who are blessed for good luck, then get run over, claim it was their turn to die/get hurt. So what was the point?
    There is such a thing as hard work equals good luck, dumbass!
  121. Profile photo of masterbob
    masterbob Male 13-17
    391 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 7:26 am
    one word:Douchebag, but besides that...so wait...Agnostic people (me)are deciding whether or not we hate his "Heavenly Father"? pssh what B.S i call SHENANIGANS!!!!!!!1111
  122. Profile photo of caffeinehigh
    caffeinehigh Female 18-29
    285 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 7:28 am
    HAHAHAHa I love how people do not see the sarcasm in this.
  123. Profile photo of H3_SIX
    H3_SIX Female 18-29
    81 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 7:28 am
    LOL. This guy is awesome. Friggin banana, CHECKMATE!
  124. Profile photo of LazyMe484
    LazyMe484 Male 18-29
    10441 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 7:29 am
    Some of you fools haven`t realized this yet but this guy is a comedian and this video (and the one yesterday) are jokes, they`re not to be take seriously. But if your gonna take them seriously, know that this guy is an atheist and his using flawed logic to make fun of christians.
  125. Profile photo of aquazuba
    aquazuba Male 18-29
    426 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 7:30 am
    wow....just wow...i think this was meant to be a joke...because...wow....theres no way the he can try to claim hes right..."2/3s of BIBLE sites say that scientists are wrong..." ooh...wow...bible people with no scientific education say that some of the greatest minds in the world are wrong...checkmate my tushie...

    "the bible is real becuase its right here!"
    ....no...thats just dumb...i can make a friggin book and say that because i hold it its real...AND that something that NO ONE ELSE CAN HEAR! told me its real...

    this guy needs to get hit by a truck...

  126. Profile photo of masterbob
    masterbob Male 13-17
    391 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 7:32 am
    u pplz make ur commentz waaaaaaay to long..
  127. Profile photo of Mrs_C
    Mrs_C Female 18-29
    40 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 7:34 am
    9. Not the old `Adam and Steve` thing. Homosexuality is an example of our freewill and should be accepted not rejected.

    i hate this argument of freewill... "well your god gave me freewill, so why cant i do what i want?" murder, stealing, rape, lying, childabuse...these are freewill things too...does that make it okay?

  128. Profile photo of aquazuba
    aquazuba Male 18-29
    426 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 7:35 am
    oh yeah...

    the son of judas actually jerked it...Genesis 38:8-10...in the bible...hah

    also they thought the virgin mary was impregnated through her EAR!!

    Christianity 0 Agnosticism 2

    yeah...

  129. Profile photo of AndyMathews
    AndyMathews Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 7:35 am
    I thought this was serious at first!

    If it was I would have to spend a whole load of time appologising...

  130. Profile photo of VONLINE
    VONLINE Male 18-29
    578 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 7:36 am
    "Wow, VONLINE, you actually are a complete moreon...
    What you`ve just said proves that bothe Theists and Atheists have exactly the same quality of life.
    Surely that proves that we don`t need a god in our lives at all, right?"

    1. Can we reframe from name calling?
    2. You missed my point completely. To answer your question. Sure, a person doesn`t need to believe in a God to live a happy life. I say to each, their own. So why attack my way of life? I mean, the practice of believing in God has done a lot less harm to me than the ridicule I`ve received from athiests about it.

  131. Profile photo of Mrs_C
    Mrs_C Female 18-29
    40 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 7:36 am
    also they thought the virgin mary was impregnated through her EAR!!


    what? where did you get this?

  132. Profile photo of Ratdog993
    Ratdog993 Female 18-29
    158 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 7:39 am
    9. Not the old `Adam and Steve` thing. Homosexuality is an example of our freewill and should be accepted not rejected.

    i hate this argument of freewill... "well your god gave me freewill, so why cant i do what i want?" murder, stealing, rape, lying, childabuse...these are freewill things too...does that make it okay?

    I have never said nor will I ever say that these things are okay to do. Homosexuality does not harm anyone unlike the things you mentioned.

  133. Profile photo of adamtastic
    adamtastic Male 18-29
    66 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 7:40 am
    omg the video is a joke!! Anyone who can`t see that is seriously stupid, whether they are christians or atheists.
  134. Profile photo of VONLINE
    VONLINE Male 18-29
    578 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 7:41 am
    And let me clear up another thing up in my post. I wasn`t directly accrediting God for all the success in my life. I`m just saying my belief in what makes sense to me hasn`t hindered me in my pursuit of a happy life. The same way I don`t blame God for all the bad stuff that happens in my life.
  135. Profile photo of ajr2006
    ajr2006 Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 7:41 am
    this is fake, it`s clearly a spoof video
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCX0JJ16d... same voice there

  136. Profile photo of Rammstein221
    Rammstein221 Male 13-17
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    February 15, 2008 at 7:42 am
    @ Kuribabalon

    There is a reason why science and religion aren`t generally mixed, and it`s because for the most part they really aren`t compatible to the slightest degree. Surely you know science aims to find an unbiased explanation for all things in the universe. Science does not necessarily aim to prove things, most scientists will tell you that a negative result is just as satisfying as a positive one. That`s where the problem with adding religion lies. If you have a book that says what the answer to your question must be, it will affect the integrity of the experiments. You won`t have an unbiased look at how old the universe is, but rather a blind grab for any evidence that runs concurrent with the scripture you`ve chosen to use.

  137. Profile photo of Mrs_C
    Mrs_C Female 18-29
    40 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 7:43 am
    Homosexuality does not harm anyone unlike the things you mentioned.

    I agree, they arent hurting other people. And i believe that it is a sin because the Bible says it is. BUT i also feel that everytime i lie, think a hateful thought or anything that i am also sinning. i do not feel that there are sins that are worse than another. i hate the fact that people single out the homosexuals because of their sexual preference. plus i have friends who are batpoo crazy christians and are gay. being a christian doesnt make you perfect or right.

  138. Profile photo of ProSlacker
    ProSlacker Male 18-29
    92 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 7:43 am
    "You do not need to PROVE there is no God, you cannot. But that doesn`t mean that there is. You cannot PROVE there is no Easter Bunny, Santa Claus, Tooth Fairy and yet I hope you don`t believe in those. There is just as much evidence that the world was created by a pink hippo than there is that it was created by god."

    You can totally disprove the existence of the Tooth Fairy. It was a folklore tale back in France. I don`t know the exact information of it, but unless you can disprove something, the possibility of the existence of God is still there. And my definition of God is, a creator of the universe. Which could be a pink hippo. Which would be pretty f-in` cool.

  139. Profile photo of adamtastic
    adamtastic Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 7:44 am
    If God doesn`t exist then why do we have nuns???
    Answer that one, sceptics.
  140. Profile photo of Mrs_C
    Mrs_C Female 18-29
    40 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 7:46 am
    this is going to be my last post because i feel that people are just out to attack eachother. and whether you are christian, atheist, muslim, buddhist or WHATEVER attacking another person is WRONG. and i wont help to feed this fire.
  141. Profile photo of adamtastic
    adamtastic Male 18-29
    66 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 7:50 am
    "You can totally disprove the existence of the Tooth Fairy. It was a folklore tale back in France. I don`t know the exact information of it, but unless you can disprove something, the possibility of the existence of God is still there. And my definition of God is, a creator of the universe. Which could be a pink hippo. Which would be pretty f-in` cool"

    That doesn`t mean you can DISPROVE the tooth fairy. You can`t prove a negative. By that logic I could say that you can disprove the existence of God because it was a folklore tale back in Israel.

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    adamtastic Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 7:52 am
    I can`t believe the ammount of people who take this video seriously. Do they not have irony in the US? Or did they eat that aswell?
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    shelerella Female 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 7:54 am
    ROFL! This has got to be a joke! Every statement he made was set up perfectly for circular logic.. If it was real I am sorry for him, if it was a fake he is a comedy genius!!:-D
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    aquazuba Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 7:56 am
    on a side note...this guy is awesome...hahah

    but hey, im going to close my arguement saying that religion isnt bad in itself...it keeps people in line, so i do not wish it away from this world...people just took it too out of hand...like most of this thread...its funny, but i know some people are prolly getting pissed..

    agnostics, atheists...just think like i do...until they actually attack you specifically...just think of christianity as a badly made bedtime story...

    christianity just borrowed ideas from anywhere else they could to seem feasable and to be liked...its not their fault they wanna be liked

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    aquazuba Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 7:57 am
    oh...and the whole virgin mary getting impregnated by her ear....

    read it in a book called the little book of bad taste by karl shaw pg. 198

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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 7:57 am
    What a solid Christian argument. Best one I`ve heard all my life.
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    lghjhgcd Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 8:10 am
    ok my opinion is why cant we all just get along? who cares if some people doent believe. and who cares if some people do. i personally do not believe in a god or higher being. but i dont go around trying to disprove people that do and i respect them and their choice to believe something. i think religion is something some people need, it helps people get through things like hard times. so is religion nessesary for some parhaps. but dont push your religion on someone who doesnt want to know about it and dont go around telling other people they are wrong because they dont htink what you think.
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    IMEVIL666 Female 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 8:12 am
    Its Adam and STEVE! STEVE! Had to get that off my chest and it looked like after the whole banana thing that he kept trying not to touch himself
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    adamtastic Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 8:15 am
    I blame America. All the bat poo crazy fundies come from there. Nobody is that stupid in the UK, or most of Europe for that matter.
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    E86 Female 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 8:19 am
    Anyone notice that this is Edward Current, the same guy who made the "God Delusion Index." This guy isn`t for real. He`s mocking Christians.
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    dnaoil Male 13-17
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    February 15, 2008 at 8:19 am
    I don`t comment much on this site, but for this I will make an exception... I just had to turn it off at about 40 seconds in.

    It`s people like this that make me laugh at Christianity. They love to push their views onto you much like Jehovah`s Witness` and refuse to believe that you may have a different opinion... They are just right... Apparently...

    For Example;

    "A big bang doesn`t just happen"

    WTF?!?!? but this "GOD" Character can just appear and magic up an entire universe?? Sounds a hell of a lot more unlikely than a large explosion which created the mass that we now call out universe... But hey-ho, It`s what we have to put up with, *Sigh*

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    catbarf Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 8:19 am
    "2. You missed my point completely. To answer your question. Sure, a person doesn`t need to believe in a God to live a happy life. I say to each, their own. So why attack my way of life? I mean, the practice of believing in God has done a lot less harm to me than the ridicule I`ve received from athiests about it."

    Ever heard of the Crusades? Hitler? I`m sure you have- some of the worst atrocities have been in the name of religion. And scientific development? Look at Galileo, imprisoned for daring to suggest that Earth isn`t the center of the universe. He only lived because he pleaded insanity- his brother was executed.

    One last thing: The `proofs` in this video, scarily enough, have been used before by theists. Consider the following, from Fundies Say The Darndest Things:

    "To say the Bible was written by men and may contain inaccuracies completely contradicts the word of the Bible." - Ia Orana, Jan 1 2008.

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    M1O6D Male 13-17
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    February 15, 2008 at 8:22 am
    i shouldn`t take this seriously but yeh...

    1 it`s not about what is the bible it`s about what`s in it
    2 so if i write a book saying i can fly, i can fly for real?
    3 the old awnser who made god a god of god? then who made the god of god? tell me that and i shut up.
    4 i make a site saying a ball is a square find a few idiots to say it`s true and yes THE BALL IS NOW A SQUARE, how amazing.
    5 then what went wrong with the pumpkin.
    6 i would like you to fall from a 400m story building while praying and see if you survive
    7 yeh you`re brainwashed by a book i could have writen...
    8 reproduction is needed ey
    9 it doesn`t work that way smartass
    10 look at yourself...

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    sup_dawg444 Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 8:22 am
    I`m like 90 percent sure that`s the same guy who did the god delusion index thing.
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    Ruswut Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 8:26 am
    Hmm well ok... Christians (C) got 10 and Atheiest (A) got 0
    C----A
    10 ---- 0 divide both by 1
    10 ---- 0/1=infinity -10
    0 ---- infinity

    Science prevails once more

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    horn4231 Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 8:27 am
    yeah this is definitely fake. I think that I could fart and make ten better arguments for christianity.
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    E86 Female 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 8:27 am
    I wish the atheists on here would stop getting their undies in a bundle. Stop with you stupid multi-point responses as to why this guy is a huge idiot.

    He IS and atheist himself. This is Edward Current, the same guy who made yesterday`s video, "The God Delusion Test." He`s mocking Christianity.

    Atheists are the delusional ones here. They think that being Christian means acting like the idiot in this video. Nope. He`s working for you, guys.

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    beaman Male 30-39
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    February 15, 2008 at 8:27 am
    This web site has gone to poo. I`m outta here!
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    LemonTarte Female 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 8:27 am
    Wow it feels like this video was posted TO push people into atheism and agnosticism. Thats how I felt anyway.
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    dnaoil Male 13-17
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    February 15, 2008 at 8:28 am
    LMFAO :P Lovin it horn4231
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    horn4231 Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 8:29 am
    ruswut - 0/1....is 0. not infinity. unless im not understanding something....? haha i know you are just goofing around...silly argument i know.
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    marwilx Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 8:31 am
    this is a parody right? please god I hope its a parody...
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    LemonTarte Female 18-29
    1441 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 8:33 am
    Omg for the last time Hinduism is NOT polytheism. It`s one thing if you non-Hindu and dont understand that. But its another thing if you ARE Hindu and dont understand. That just makes you really sad.
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    adamtastic Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 8:34 am
    All this video has proved to me is how stupid some people can be for believing this guy is making a genuine argument. And that includes christians and atheists equally.
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    Discomonkey Male 13-17
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    February 15, 2008 at 8:37 am
    Every single point he made refers back to the question, eg

    How do you know the Bible is the true word of God? Because thats what the bible says. How do you know the Bible is the true word of God?

    etc etc

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    adamtastic Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 8:38 am
    Discomonkey, you are a moron.
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    elHadji Male 70 & Over
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    February 15, 2008 at 8:39 am
    Irony is the mans best friend.

    I could`nt stop laughing when he mentioned the banana, for all of you who don`t know what I`m talking about watch this:

    The Atheist`s Nightmare: The Banana

    After you`ve seen that you should notice that this video is a parody.

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    globpharm Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 8:39 am
    i think it is fake but unfortunately there are people exactly like that.
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    Vogt Male 13-17
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    February 15, 2008 at 8:42 am
    Lol, hilarious.
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    VONLINE Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 8:45 am
    catbarf,

    This isn`t the 11th century here. And do you think if all religion was gone, there would be no wars, no murder, no power hungry? That the world would be all rainbows and butterflies? Suffering isn`t a product of religion, it`s a product of man.

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    Kuribabalon Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 8:48 am
    Rammstein221,
    You make a very good point. I am very aware of Science and its objective nature. That is what makes scientific experiments such a credible source of evidence. My intent was not to prove or disprove my beliefs by use of scientific data. Because quite frankly that`s impossible. I was more aimed at discrediting the use of scientific findings (like ancient fossils or the "Big Bang") to disprove any theological belief.
    Let`s take evolution for example. I honestly have no idea whether (macro) evolutionary theory is true or not. But what if it is? Who says that wasn`t just a part of the "process" of creation?
    And take the "Big Bang".
    Scientific findings have led to the conclusion (or fairly reasonable assumption) that the universe was created at some point in the past from a massive explosion caused by an unknown source. But even proving that this is the case doesn`t rule out a creator, nor does it prove that one exists.

    One

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    BigBonny Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 8:50 am
    I *KNEW* one of the first posts would be some fool saying "duuh is it real?" Of course its not real, its a joke!
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    Kuribabalon Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 8:50 am
    *One cannot prove or disprove the other. (Science and Religion)

    ~Kuri

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    Nidonemo Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 9:06 am
    Please, just stop fighting already. You`re using up valuable time and web space that could be used for cute kitten and puppy videos.
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    monnier06yn Female 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 9:08 am
    I could have written the bible. Why does what it says matter at all?
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    Mikeado Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 9:09 am
    No amount of flaming or trying to persuade me will, er, persuade me.

    I don`t like religion. Because I like to believe in truths.

    P.S. Religion causes terrorist attacks. FACT.

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    revodin Male 18-29
    27 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 9:21 am
    Lionhart2, being agnostic doesn`t mean you don`t believe in a deity period, it means that you don`t think that information is knowable; furthermore agnostics don`t care one way or another about the existence of a higher being.
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    Overmann Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 9:23 am
    Oh dear. I have a feeling I can fill an entire page with responses alone.

    First off, this was a satire. The person in this video is not being entirely serious. In fact, this person is the very *same* person who produced the video "God Delusion Index", the video to which this one was supposed to be antagonistic. Instead, it promotes the very same agenda: atheists over religionists. It`s not a counterpoint but a reinforcing agreement. Those lacking this precious bit of insight should note that it is the cause of most of their grief. Think before you post.

    "Put me one on one with this guy and I`ll rip him an ass. I`m throwing down the Gauntlet right here."

    You *do* know the guy wasn`t being entirely serious, yes, maddux32?

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    theburford Male 13-17
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    February 15, 2008 at 9:26 am
    oh, here we go... real evidence, idk what this guy is talking about.
    http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseac...
    http://www.wayofthemaster.com/evolution....

    Accoring to reason, the simplest answer is usually the correct one.
    So, a being was here before time began, or something was made from nothing(the big bang, everything would have had to come from a point of nothing) this also happens to be the definition of creation. So... idk what disproves God... Christianity is supposed to be about a relationship with God, not sacrifices, that`s why Jesus died on the cross, to do away with that... anyways, read the blog, it`s good.
    Also according to logic, anything over 1000^100 to one is supposed to be impossible, go look up the statistics on the big bang.

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    Overmann Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 9:27 am
    "In a sense that`s logical anyway, because if you could prove it, it wouldn`t need to be Faith would it?"

    Lionheart4, I`m not sure where religionists got the notion that their beliefs are not privy to rational inspection and evaluation. As I stated, though, in my posts in the God Delusion Index comments, I think religionists are comfortable with the idea they need no proof because it allows them to be more comfortable with the luxuries such a belief provides. Namely: "If I don`t need proof, I can believe in anything I want! I choose to believe in God because it makes superficial sense and provides a level of comfort in my chaotic life." I feel pity for people who must delude themselves thusly to feel happy or content.

    "This guy is an atheist, the same guy from the GDI, and he`s a terrile debater, annoying and condescending"

    Agreed, TheBLB.

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    theburford Male 13-17
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    February 15, 2008 at 9:29 am
    That`s what I`ve got. And to other posts, false religions and misinterpretations (I think I spelled that right) of the Bible cause wars and things. Anytime a war has happened over religion, christianity wasn`t the cause, or I should say, that if it was, the person was doing it over a verse taken out of context or a verse misinterpreted to mean something weird. I could go on for a while.... but I`m gonna stop
    message me, I`ll try to give the whole spill.
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    Mur-is-bored Female 13-17
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    February 15, 2008 at 9:30 am
    This outraged me more than "The God Dellusion Index". I`d rather have an atheist tell me I`m stupid than an atheist pretending to be a Christian and mocking my beliefs tell me that I`m stupid.

    This guy wasn`t even trying to make a good point. I could`ve done a better job.

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    Overmann Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 9:32 am
    "Dawkins uses the example of a teapot in orbit around the earth..."

    Dawkins may use that example, greened, but realize that that argument was first proposed by Bertrand Russel.

    "The creation of the universe can today be fully explained without the need of a god in it"

    No it cannot. As much as I advocate science, I respect its limitations and must correct you by saying that while science found all matter was concentrated in a single space which then exploded, we know nothing of the nature of that single space or how it came into existence, or what initiated the explosion\expansion. Science does not yet fully have the answer to this central question.

    Windrider15, I agree with greened. If you wish to make a positive claim, cite your sources. Let your sources open to public peer-review and see if they hold up to scrutiny.

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    Kasu-Chan Female 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 9:32 am
    I`ll leave Christians as a whole alone. If they make an intelligent decision and question that it`s what they really believe. If they read into other religions so they know what they`re talking about, and know what they believe, and that Christianity is for them, realizing it may not be for everyone else. If they can decide to be Christian in this way, I hold a lot of respect for them, actually. But if they`re going to try to convince me that it`s the religion that I should believe as well, it`s not going to work, I don`t know "everything" about it, but I know far from nothing. There`s too much from the Bible I find hard to believe, it`s just one tall tale after another to me. It has good teachings, but I just don`t see it as anything more than a race of people before science and knowledge coming up with "reasons" for ordinary things happening.

    But if you`re Christian, and have looked into other religions before deciding that Christianity is for you, I respect tha

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    Kasu-Chan Female 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 9:33 am
    that, and I`m not being sarcastic** was the end of my last comment. ^^;
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    theburford Male 13-17
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    February 15, 2008 at 9:40 am
    Send me a message if you disagree,
    www.myspace.com/fireromaniac
    Drop me a line.
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    Overmann Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 9:42 am
    "im a christian,anybody who says religion is a bad thing needs their heads checked, all religions tell you to do is be nice to one another, is that bad??"

    Is brainwashing or the indoctrination of children or genital mutilation particularly nice things in your view, byrondavies? Are you so naive to think so? In reality I don`t find you naive but rather inconsiderate of the other, far darker implications of religion, which served as the basis of my criticism of religion all along (I`m sure most if not all atheists would agree).

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    Overmann Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 9:45 am
    "Atheists say they do not need to prove anything, but they do. They need to prove there is no God."

    Not so, and I see you, too, ProSlacker, have a misconception of what it means to be atheist. One is atheist on the ground that they require proof before committing oneself to perceived truth. It is, intellectually-speaking, the only position to take if one desires to know truth. If one believes in something for which there is no evidence and desires to consider this belief truth, then he risks being incorrect. This is not intellectually honest. Atheism is the default position to take whenever the truth of something is in question, and I doubt I need say the existence of God very much qualifies. For that reason I do not need to prove anything, let alone the existence of God. If he exists, there should be able evidence of such, perhaps if we invent new technology that enables us to adequately address this question. In the meantime, I remain atheist.

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    Magicmoper Male 13-17
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    February 15, 2008 at 9:47 am
    "But two thirds of the bible websites i visit say radiometric dating is rubish, that`s a landslide! Checkmate!"
    Really? Well THREE thirds of me say that everything YOU said was rubbish. So by your logic I win!

    Also if you call out check mate in chess when you don`t even have check, people will stop playing with you.

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    Overmann Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 9:49 am
    "Let people believe what they want to if they they it makes their life happy."

    I am also not an assh*le in regards to how I treat other people, Niyou77, but I must disagree with your above quoted statement. If someone is happy and does no harm to others while being so, let them believe what they want. But if instead someone is happy at the expense of others, while doing these others harm in some fashion (mentally, physically, emotionally), then that is not happiness. That is selfish indulgence on the pain of others. Believe what you wish, but do not involve others in this belief. Organized religion cannot seem to condition itself under this notion and so I say it must go.

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    maneaterx3 Female 13-17
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    February 15, 2008 at 9:51 am
    I didn`t take time to read all the posts but just in case anyone`s wondering, visit the guy`s YouTube channel (EddieCurrent) and you`ll see that he clearly says he`s "not a Christian" and that all his videos are in fact parodies. So no, he`s not for real.
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    Overmann Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 9:53 am
    "So you either believe one or the other right? Not necessarily. The biblical account of creation uses the Hebrew word `Yom` for what we translate as..."

    Kuribabalon, I highly doubt the writers of the Bible knew that the Earth was 4.8 billion years old so it doesn`t matter what word they used. For all we know they very well could have believed the Earth was created 4000 years ago (from their time) but they certainly had no reason to believe the modern day scientific assertion of the age.

    "This person did a HORRIBLE job quoting scripture and defending Christianity."

    Mrs_C, I must say I`ve lost faith in your ability to intelligently assess the opinions and motivations of others, based on your above quoted statement. This was a satire and not to be taken seriously. As such I`ve reason to believe your future remarks are also filled with such ignorance or naivete, but I will read them anyone and respond accordingly.

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    Malt Female 13-17
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    February 15, 2008 at 9:56 am
    It`s obviously being sarcastic about how blindly christians believe the crap they`re told.
    i.e. "...But the bible says this, so it must be true!"
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    Overmann Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 9:57 am
    " A reaction is any response caused by some other event, so the Big Bang could not have happened by itself (scientifically speaking)."

    True, Mrs_C - but no one in science is saying the Big Bang didn`t have a cause, only one we cannot yet discern. Do you also misunderstand the scientific perspective on such things?

    "Real Christians arent brainwashed...we are told to Challenge EVERYTHING we hear, not to take anything at face value."

    But not the existence or nature of existence of God, yes? You cannot be said to think critically for yourself if you have not seriously thought about such matters and rejected them out for having inconclusive logic attached to them.

    "macro evolution is false. Even Darwin didn’t believe in it."

    I`m sorry, but I must call bullsh*t on this one. Cite your sources. Let me see from whence you retrieved this information, for it is utterly false.

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    Overmann Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 10:01 am
    "But I do believe that if a person, regards the impossible odds of everything happening by accident higher than the possibility of a creator, they are arrogant."

    Again a misunderstanding on your part, Mrs_C. For one, if you are indeed speaking with regards to evolution, not everything happened by accident. Evolution, by means of natural selection, is directional. It is predictable. It is systematic and *not* random, although it depends on the essentially random inevitability of genetic mutation. I should recommend to you the book The Blind Watchmaker. I seem to be recommending that particular book a lot lately but it is by far the best general account of evolution I have read to date. It should clear up a number of your misconceptions. Trust me on this one.

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    rduncan2972 Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 10:03 am
    Most of his stuff is based on faith, checkmate involves pure unbaised fact.

    Uhh, yeah I know the bible is the word of God cuz it told me so. uhhh duh

    -Monk

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    Overmann Male 18-29
    2600 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 10:04 am
    "I agree, they arent hurting other people. And i believe that it is a sin because the Bible says it is."

    Hurting people is a sin and you believe it is because the Bible says so? Really? Personally, I just assume not hurt anyone because it is morally unjustifiable, generally speaking. I don`t need a book to tell me what my morals are because I was born with them. Scientists such as Dawkins argue that moral behavior was selected for in evolution because societies in which acts of violence were acceptable didn`t survive. I`m not sure I agree with this but then I don`t know what natural selection and genetic mutations have to do with behavior. Perhaps there is a relationship and I should like to look it up. Bottom line, though, is I wouldn`t trust any book to tell me how I should morally behave. Use your own individual common sense on such issues, for subscribing to any book in principle could lead you down dark paths.

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    enmarwen Female 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 10:11 am
    lolz! w1n!
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    Crowe Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 10:11 am
    " I am also not an assh*le in regards to how I treat other people "

    bullpoo, overmann, that`s all you do from what i`ve read and according to my beliefs, which are loosely based on typical `moralistic` `western` views. being of such nature, they bare similarity to what the majority people in the `western` world believe and hence reasonably represent a very similar view of who and what an non-nice individual is exactly. i ain`t saying all of the usa and europe would consider you an non-nice individual, especially as that would include you and you clearly have a far higher opinion of yourself. i am saying most everyone i know and am likely to befriend in my uk centred little life would consider you an non-nice individual. i`m only taking a shot at you as you have shared similar feelings before now and you lecture people with flawed `knowledge`, though you do enough research to give yourself solid grounding. you appear to believe a great deal, yet with no clear investment of a

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    Overmann Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 10:11 am
    "You can totally disprove the existence of the Tooth Fairy. It was a folklore tale back in France."

    As has been suggested, the idea of God can be disproved, based on your logic, by saying it was a folklore tale back in the Middle East. That says nothing of the possibility of such a God actually existing, one should be quick to point out, and I don`t deny this, but rather I deny the existence of God because it is the best possible method for achieving any true understanding of anything: doubt that for which there is no evidence, and accept that which is reflected in evidence. Atheism requires thus.

    "I`m sure you have- some of the worst atrocities have been in the name of religion."

    Indeed, catbarf. I`m still positively fuming over the wrongful .murder of Hypatia.

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    Crowe Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 10:12 am
    ... nothing and i have great faith in that and that belief is nothing more than belief; personal and invalid for validation
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    monktoast Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 10:15 am
    fact: in order to claim a fact you need evidence.
    Fact: those who say for a fact there is no God, have no evidence and appela to their right to not give evidence base don the fact that they can`t find evidence.

    fact: the tooth fairy or any being that is outside the realm of observational science, cannot be in the realm of fact for ya or nay, meaning no facts can be given to its exsistance or non exsistance.

    atheists are manipulating science to their own ends, and its sickening.

    a fact is a fact because its proven, never allow an athiest or even a chtristian or anyoen claim a fact without proof, that includes saying "100% there is no god and i dotn have to prove it" wrong, you do.

    a certain admission must be given, for intellectual honesty, whenb confrontign this issue, people must admit they just dotnknow that includes the tooth fairy or any made up on the spot creature liek flying spagetti monster. you just dont know everything.

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    February 15, 2008 at 10:15 am
    `any faith. i know i know...` missed off my post before the previous
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    greyday Male 13-17
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    February 15, 2008 at 10:16 am
    i just think people need to stop trying to get people to believe what they believe, do what they do, basically people just try to get as many people as they can to copy them so they become accepted...
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    Overmann Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 10:16 am
    "And do you think if all religion was gone, there would be no wars, no murder, no power hungry?"

    I`m not sure any serious atheist believes this, VONLINE. I for one do not. I think people would strive to find some other justification for screwing over other people, but I also firmly think that if such a system were discovered, we as a collective society should do anything and everything in our being to overcome such systems. It is the only effective counterbalance to such eternal strife and the only way that can provide hope.

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    chickensmoo Female 13-17
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    February 15, 2008 at 10:18 am
    I was watching some of this guy`s videos on youtube. I`m not gonna say what I think, but I do find it hilarious how many people left comments thinking he was serious. There were people who actually were atheists, saying how his arguments are idiotic and based on nothing, and then religious people who agreed with everything he said.

    This is HUMOR, people.

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    Overmann Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 10:19 am
    "Accoring to reason, the simplest answer is usually the correct one.
    So, a being was here before time began, or something was made from nothing(the big bang, everything would have had to come from a point of nothing) this also happens to be the definition of creation."

    That is correct, theburford: the simplest answer is usually the correct one. But in saying that, let me also say that the idea of an original creator or designer is by no means simple. When attempting to use a creator to explain the complexity of life or the universe, nothing is really explained because that creator would have to be *at least* as complex and sophisticated as anything he fashions. God is by no means simple, and resorting to that argument accomplishes nothing when trying to explain complexity. What do most religionists do when it comes to the origin of God? "He was always there," which is about as unsatisfactory an answer as I can think of.

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    monktoast Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 10:20 am
    and overman how is anything morally unjustifiable? if indeed ther eis no higher pwoer, and you are random chemicals, then you thoughts are that as well, and everything you say means nothing to anyone including me, and morality is a joke.

    i can morally justify rapign babies, because a baby raper is evolutionary designed to enjoy sex with babies, it must be scientifically sound.

    i can morally justify hurting another person, because if i want to hurt a person, it isnt me, its how my chemical sin my brain are reactign to each other. there must be a reason i want to hurt this person and why fight it.

    there is no truth in such a worthless exsistance as natualists claim, they act high and mighty that they dotn follwo th erule sin some book, yet by their own paradoxial exsistenc,e they are less free then we are because they HAVE to follwo the rule sin their brains, that they say they evolved to, their thoughts an dactions are nothing but evolutiionary repsonses, not free will.

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    Gregoryn95 Male 13-17
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    February 15, 2008 at 10:21 am
    Why do people actually respond to this? He is a comedian, the whole point was to have a crappy argument, and yet people are spouting here and there: I can make better arguments. And i agree with you Overmann on what you were talking about in regards to mrs_C`s argument about what books tell her. Wow.....I`ll use the classical parental argument: If the book told you to sacrifice your children at age 10 would you? If it told you that God will come and rape you at age 21 would you believe that? If it told you being nice to people was a sin would you be mean? All of this can be blown to poo with a single sentence: We don`t do things because they are morally wrong, not because a magical book that tells us of people walking on water and floods of global proportions tells us too.
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    Piroteknix Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 10:23 am
    I like how this is under comedy.

    Anyway, the banana was cultivated and selected to possess desirable traits. Wild bananas are completely different, and this has already been touched on here before. It`d be the same argument as "seedless watermelon is perfect because it doesn`t have seeds, that`s so convenient!" The rest of the video basically says "Atheists are wrong because they`re wrong."

    On a side note, does God disapprove of FEMALE masturbation? I haven`t heard much about that. Does God not want any "seed" to go to waste, so men can`t but women can? Or does He just want all humans to be devoid of all pleasure all together?

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    Overmann Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 10:25 am
    "bullpoo, overmann, that`s all you do from what i`ve read"

    Writing on your background moralistic teachings was unnecessary and a waste, Crowe. You could simply say you think I`m an assh*le and I would have had enough to refute you.

    You apparently do not make a distinction between disrespecting a person and disrespecting what that person believes. I freely admit I am intolerant of religion and faith, for various justified reasons. You may not think they are justified but I do not require your permission or acceptance to believe as I do. Just as you have your moral origins and considerations, I have mine. I`ve touched on my moral objections already, I think. But while I disrespect and am intolerant of what one believes, it doesn`t mean I disrespect the person or am willing to treat them any less of an individual as I would treat someone who thought as I did.

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    GeN_Ex Male 13-17
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    February 15, 2008 at 10:25 am
    You`re a bald fag. Checkmate!
    Also, Athiests don`t hate God, you psychopathic zealot. They just dont believe in him. Checkmate! *Gay smile*
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    monktoast Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 10:26 am
    and btw this video is stupid and gets a one, because its just mroe christian hate mongering.

    try posting a real christian giving intleligent explanation of their side, instea dof an athiest makign fun of a christians faith.

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    Overmann Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 10:29 am
    You can call me an assh*le, but I haven`t imposed that view on anyone else, which I hope you`d note. I`ve been talking about the belief the religionists hold, not the actual people, save those who may be personally accountable for the atrocities they commit.

    "and you clearly have a far higher opinion of yourself."

    I don`t have a higher opinion of myself, but I *do* have a higher opinion of what and how I think. Some of how I think came from others, some from me, but I give most credit to those who inspired me, for it is their ideas to which I aspire. I`m just another person who follows a certain line of reason and I have no misconceptions about that.

    "you appear to believe a great deal, yet with no clear investment of any faith"

    I do not believe so much as accept. I do not believe in evolution so much as I accept it as what we`ve found to be most closely representative of truth. I accept certain conditions, but do not *believe* in them.

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    CookieKing Male 13-17
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    February 15, 2008 at 10:30 am
    monk toast, ddont be an idiot, meet some atheist`s before you make your claim
    i am an atheist, and i dont find raping babies morally justifiable, a small percent of atheist`s are atheist`s so they can justify imorall things(about 1%-5%)
    And i do have claims redarding my various reason`s and evidence to disprove diety`s, like the second law of thermodynamics,black hole theroy, and various other things.... i do have free will also, like do i want to drink some OJ? i think so, and i do acknowledge my existance as being compleatly pointless, but why make existance crappy for other people? Moral`s and decency, and you cant claim everything is evoloutin based, evoloution is change, we are change, only our underlying habbit`s are evoloution based, like why women browse more then men. In short, dont be a prechy atheist hater unless you know your stuff
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    love_lover Female 13-17
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    February 15, 2008 at 10:30 am
    i seriously want to shove a splinter peice of tree of that faggots ass.
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    Gregoryn95 Male 13-17
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    February 15, 2008 at 10:32 am
    and GeN_Ex just proved my point. Do you even read any comments here? This guy made it as a JOKE, a JOKE. He also created the GDI video(God delusion index in case you don`t know).
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    Overmann Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 10:32 am
    "Fact: those who say for a fact there is no God, have no evidence and appela to their right to not give evidence base don the fact that they can`t find evidence."

    Wrong, monktoast: that is an opinion. And I think you`ll find some people don`t even bother stating it is a "fact" there is no God. In my case, I simply assume there isn`t one. Although I do agree with your line of thought, specifically on that which is known and factual and that which is not. Allow no one to tell you the existence of God is a fact or not: it is not *known* either way.

    I am, however, having very profound disagreements with your next post and so will dedicate my time to that.

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    Overmann Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 10:36 am
    "and overman how is anything morally unjustifiable? if indeed ther eis no higher pwoer, and you are random chemicals, then you thoughts are that as well, and everything you say means nothing to anyone including me, and morality is a joke."

    For one, I am not random chemicals. Evolution was not and is not random. I`m not saying evolution has a purpose, but it has a reason for being, a reason that is non-accidental and is rather directed. I am how I am not by a series of accidents, but because natural selection molded me and my chemicals (elements) to be as they are.

    Second, I don`t need the existence of a higher power to be moral. I don`t need an excuse to be good to other people. Why am I good? Because before I can conceivably expect to be good to others, I need be good to them. It`s a mutual agreement, not a divine edict. Things are morally unjustifiable because collective society (and survival) says they are not, not God.

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    catbarf Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 10:37 am
    "This isn`t the 11th century here. And do you think if all religion was gone, there would be no wars, no murder, no power hungry?"

    No, but when was the last time you saw an atheistic suicide bomber?

    "fact: in order to claim a fact you need evidence.
    Fact: those who say for a fact there is no God, have no evidence and appela to their right to not give evidence base don the fact that they can`t find evidence."

    No, the burden of evidence is on the theist to prove that there is a god. If there is no evidence for something it is false by default. To suggest that something needs to be proven false in order to be false is ludicrous. I say that when nobody`s looking at them, dollar bills turn into hamsters. You don`t have evidence against it, therefore you can`t say I`m wrong!

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    monktoast Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 10:37 am
    well dawkins himself says 100% that there is no god, and many athiests say they 100% know there is no god.

    if you say you believe there is no god, then no, no evidence is required, and i would respect your stance. we are in total 100% agreement there.

    as for you comemntign on my second, lol the whole object mroality thing is a tough issue, one beyond the scope of this forum but i await your response.


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    catbarf Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 10:38 am
    Saying that there is no God is not stating a fact that must be proven. It is the default, if God itself cannot be proven. Theists must prove that there is a God, else there is none. Proof only goes one way.


    "fact: the tooth fairy or any being that is outside the realm of observational science, cannot be in the realm of fact for ya or nay, meaning no facts can be given to its exsistance or non exsistance."

    So do you think the tooth fairy is real, simply because there is no proof against it? No. The rational response is to believe that there is no tooth fairy, simply because there is no evidence for it existing in the first place.

    "atheists are manipulating science to their own ends, and its sickening."

    In what way?

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    catbarf Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 10:38 am
    "a fact is a fact because its proven, never allow an athiest or even a chtristian or anyoen claim a fact without proof, that includes saying "100% there is no god and i dotn have to prove it" wrong, you do."

    No, the Christian must prove that there is a God. Otherwise the assertion that there is a God is false, leaving the default case to be that there isn`t a God.

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    CookieKing Male 13-17
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    February 15, 2008 at 10:38 am
    anyone this far in might be intrested in a religeous/atheist chat roomhttp://chat.icq.com/icqchat/chatroom.php?c_id=10
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    Crowe Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 10:38 am
    " Mrs_C, I must say I`ve lost faith in your ability to intelligently assess the opinions and motivations of others, based on your above quoted statement. This was a satire and not to be taken seriously. As such I`ve reason to believe your future remarks are also filled with such ignorance or naivete, but I will read them anyone and respond accordingly. "

    cos that, is disrespecting someone`s beliefs, not them, isn`t that right, overmann? not sure if many people will agree with you on that one :D

    i did phrase myself poorly; i don`t think you`re an a-hole, i live in a world that i think (from what i know of it) that already thinks you are an a-hole. much better and simpler :) i make things long winded so as to explain them as fully as i may with my poor conception of human organised communication. i also overthink into rambling, but i save that for friends and those they would call a-holes. it`s entertaining :)

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    catbarf Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 10:38 am
    "well dawkins himself says 100% that there is no god, and many athiests say they 100% know there is no god."

    Would you say 100% that money does not turn into small mammals when you`re not looking at it?

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    Overmann Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 10:39 am
    Morality is not a joke, it is the inherent aspect in all present cultures that suggests it is beneficial to treat others with dignity and respect rather than aggression and especially violence, which brings me to your straw-man example.

    "i can morally justify rapign babies, because a baby raper is evolutionary designed to enjoy sex with babies, it must be scientifically sound."

    No you cannot justify morally raping babies because our society disallows it. It disallows it because you are treating another individual with harm and society as a whole is intolerant of such acts. It is intolerant of such acts because, according to Dawkins and others, societies that *were* tolerant of such acts didn`t survive. This makes sense, but only if evolution works on behavior and I`m not sure if it does. I`ll have to do some research.

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    CookieKing Male 13-17
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    February 15, 2008 at 10:40 am
    lol, are you my older, european, clone Crowe?
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    CookieKing Male 13-17
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    February 15, 2008 at 10:41 am
    Overmann, it doe`s, but much slower than physically
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    VONLINE Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 10:42 am
    "I`m not sure any serious atheist believes this, VONLINE. I for one do not. I think people would strive to find some other justification for screwing over other people, but I also firmly think that if such a system were discovered, we as a collective society should do anything and everything in our being to overcome such systems. It is the only effective counterbalance to such eternal strife and the only way that can provide hope."

    Exactly. If man couldn`t commit such atrocities under the name of religion, it would simply commit them under the name of something else. It is our nature I believe. While I partly admire the hope for a utopian global society (and who wouldn`t want that), any sane individual would realize it is a pipe dream. Considering the scale of mankind and it`s existence on this planet, to think otherwise would be quite foolish. You mentioned hope. I`m guessing in your mind that religion is a deterrent of such hope. But religion can also instill hope.

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    Overmann Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 10:44 am
    Evolution didn`t select people to rape babies because it is not the norm. The norm is that which evolution selects, which then becomes morally acceptable because it "has always been what we`ve known".

    "there is no truth in such a worthless exsistance as natualists claim, they act high and mighty that they dotn follwo th erule sin some book, yet by their own paradoxial exsistenc,e they are less free then we are because they HAVE to follwo the rule sin their brains, that they say they evolved to, their thoughts an dactions are nothing but evolutiionary repsonses, not free will."

    Excuse me? I do have free will. And if I am a slave to the chemical and electrical reactions going on in my brain, then you are just as guilty. I have free will because I don`t live my life assuming I am the eventual servant or cast-away of a being who tongue-in-check says I have free will but still, in the end, determines the consequences of my actions.

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    monktoast Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 10:45 am
    but thats justifying your desires overman, i can justify any desire be it "good" to you or not. i justified hurting another and justified rapign babies.

    there is no good or evil when there is no objectiveness.

    is it bad to kill anothe rperson for their money, when you are poor? is it bad to steal a car when yo udotn have one? imena, you are just trying to survive.

    is it bad to rape a woman, to rid yourself of sexual frustration?

    no it isnt in the atheist paradigm, because anythign and everything is subjective.

    and every thought is not created out of a brain that has been programmed blindly to have such thoughts be them "good" or "evil"

    they say homosexuality is a "gene" fine, fair enough, but they also say pediphelia is a gene. so why is pedophelia bad? it is a scientific fact that a girl cna get preganant as young as 5 or 6 years old, tell me why its evil to want to impregnante them and as many of them as posible?

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    alimander Female 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 10:47 am
    Christian and proud!
    Still, he didn`t give a fair argument, atheists have valid reasons for being atheists too.
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    catbarf Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 10:47 am
    "Exactly. If man couldn`t commit such atrocities under the name of religion, it would simply commit them under the name of something else. It is our nature I believe. While I partly admire the hope for a utopian global society (and who wouldn`t want that), any sane individual would realize it is a pipe dream. Considering the scale of mankind and it`s existence on this planet, to think otherwise would be quite foolish. You mentioned hope. I`m guessing in your mind that religion is a deterrent of such hope. But religion can also instill hope. "

    Nobody claims that getting rid of religion would result in world utopia. But religion has DIRECTLY been the cause of some of the worst things in history. It`s not a case of a madman getting an idea and using religion to justify it, it`s an otherwise normal person following his religion to the letter and doing what his religion tells him to!

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    VONLINE Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 10:48 am
    cont...
    Religion can comfort people in a time of distress. Religious institutions are always involved in charity, providing food, shelter, and much more to those in need. People find rescue in religion from the grasps of alcoholism and drug abuse. There is good in it.
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    monktoast Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 10:49 am
    you have a free will because god has given it to you, short of that, you are not free to think anything beyond what the chemicals in your brian are tlelign you to think.

    this cannot be debated. where woudl free will coem from? scientific rule says a creaitopn cannot be greater then its master, so if evolution tells your mind to be homosexual, yet there are those who resist it, then they are greater then their creation.

    it is scientifically false.

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    bochamockado Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 10:50 am
    This was more of a bash to Christianity than the other video. Made me laugh though. Which is really why I come here. Bravo.
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    Crowe Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 10:51 am
    count the number of lone Is in your text, then your train of thought, accept what is most closely representative of the truth; that psychologists would call you egotistic. if you don`t believe in what you are accepting, then you don`t truely accept it as you refuse to comprehend its true depth. this is derived from your logic, as i refuse to take any ground, even in any middle. if you were what you want, you would be vulcan, from star trek; bleak, unemotional and reasonable, yet you appear not to fit their definition at all closely. but you are the one with laws, belief, solidity and logic in your life, these are your thoughts. i, too ramble :), have rejected all except reason, which i place no faith in, it is merely a tool. not for this `truth` as you would use it, i don`t believe in truth :) perception is our reality and we may not extend beyond that without faith in things such as religion. we need a balance of faith and reason from both halves of our brain to see how little we know
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    monktoast Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 10:51 am
    anyways i have to run, thanks for all who had this discussion, as usual i love hearign every side an dpeoples individual beliefs, i just wish this forum was easier to do it lol, it shard to keep a flow of sonversation in such a comment section and not alegitimate forum, i wish each video had a dedicated forum to make these discussions easier.

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    bochamockado Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 10:52 am
    Monktoast, you can`t type worth a shrivelled testicle. Your arguements are rendered ignorant and inane by your basic inability to use a keyboard. That sir, gives you a FAIL.
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    Crowe Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 10:52 am
    must be scadadling also, erands to run, hope we talk further overmann ;P
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    paramecium Female 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 10:53 am
    Im sure it`s a poe. It used every cliche in the "book". I turned it off at the banana bit.

    Oh by the way, im one of those atheists who respects religious beliefs. I thought the god delusion index video was lame.

    Both these videos are crap.

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    February 15, 2008 at 10:55 am
    "cos that, is disrespecting someone`s beliefs, not them, isn`t that right, overmann? not sure if many people will agree with you on that one :D"

    Oh, indeed, because it could not possibly have been interpreted as my having disrespected her belief the video was legitimate, a premise on which most of her postings were based? I doubt her intelligence because she has demonstrated such a view is justified. If I have erred in anything it is in not further elaborating on my view that I don`t feel disrespect towards others is justified when it is unwarranted. Indeed I do feel disrespect towards others is warranted when such disrespect has been demonstrated to be justifiable. I disrespect others who would blow themselves up hoping to kill as many others with them as they can, and I`m sure you would agree. I don`t appreciate your unfounded determination to label me a hypocrite and will refute any such claims accordingly, I promise you.

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    Retaw Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 10:56 am
    Tell`em, baldy!
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    Dbl Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 10:57 am
    science killed gods how can people still think the bible is true
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    Overmann Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 11:01 am
    "but thats justifying your desires overman"

    Morality isn`t determined by a single individual, it is determined by the collective. I may be justifying my desires, but that does not make them morally acceptable, which by the way is determined by society. I see this is leaning towards Dawkins` argument so perhaps it has merit. Point is, just the fact that I wish to do something and justify it according to my want has *nothing* to do with whether this act is good or bad. Morality is not determined thusly and I genuinely pity you if you believe this.

    "i justified hurting another and justified rapign babies."

    No you didn`t. You justified a want to fulfill such desires but that does not decide whether they are good or bad.

    "there is no good or evil when there is no objectiveness."

    Society provides the objectiveness.

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    Overmann Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 11:06 am
    "no it isnt in the atheist paradigm, because anythign and everything is subjective."

    What are you talking about? Atheism says nothing of morality. Every atheist`s opinion on morality differs because it is not dependent upon their lack of belief, or should I say necessarily dependent upon their lack of belief. I`m moral because it is moral to be decent to others. Are you saying I am not moral by virtue that I don`t read or subscribe to the teachings of your book? There is no logic in that.

    "tell me why its evil to want to impregnante them and as many of them as posible?"

    Because children deserve their freedom and innocence and, most of all, deserve not to be defiled by those who think such is justifiable or morally unaddressed. That you need even ask the question is positively reprehensible. If you seek to imply I have no moral objections to such acts by virtue of me being atheist, I say you are positively delusional in that belief.

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    Diddie Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 11:06 am
    Each to their own but I find God a very convenient answer to some very difficult questions. How the universe began for example..
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    kairobert Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 11:08 am
    This is clearly a joke.
    It cannot be anything else because all his arguments are based on "because I say so" or "god says so".

    He is using what he is trying to prove is real to prove that what he is using as proof is real.
    Therefore it has to be a joke.

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    FallenHero Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 11:14 am
    I`m Christian, but I think this guy can go shove his head up his @$$. Christians will believe what they believe, and atheists and agnostics will believe what they believe. No person can change that except the Christian, atheist, or agnostic themself.
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    Overmann Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 11:14 am
    "count the number of lone Is in your text, then your train of thought, accept what is most closely representative of the truth; that psychologists would call you egotistic."

    I write about what I think, because that is the line of thought I am best at articulating to refute ludicrous or unfounded remarks. Writing grammatically correct from one`s own perspective and self-inflating one`s image are not the same. In order to claim I am egotistic you would have to prove I hold myself to a higher degree than I do others, and counting the particular instances of a word in a grammatically correct and intelligible paragraph isn`t going to help you achieve that.

    I should point out you have to prove I hold myself to a higher degree than I do others *willingly* in opinion alone. Evolution demands I look out for my own survival and hold myself to a higher regard in such ways, but that is not egoism. That is biology.

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    VONLINE Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 11:23 am
    catbarf,
    I wasn`t suggesting that anyone here believed that. I was simply agreeing with a point that overmann made. My post was more about the hope religion can contribute to as contrast to the hope that some think religion destroys.
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    Dodo- Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 11:24 am
    so many letters spilled over a sarcastic video, as usual.
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    Venis Female 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 11:25 am
    This may be bad but I just couldn`t get the image of banging him right in the middle of that video.

    We`ll see just how much he dislikes atheists >:)

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    laMigra77 Male 30-39
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    February 15, 2008 at 11:27 am
    This guy kinda looks like a penis that was played with too much... and Pabasa would know.
    Hahahahahahahaha!!!
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    Overmann Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 11:28 am
    "if you don`t believe in what you are accepting, then you don`t truely accept it as you refuse to comprehend its true depth."

    I would like you to elaborate on this a bit more.

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    creedawsome Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 11:29 am
    FAIL
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    Qtpil13 Female 13-17
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    February 15, 2008 at 11:32 am
    The amount of people taking this video seriously is almost as amusing as the video itself. Honestly, people: IT`S A JOKE! Didn`t the whole "Adam and... Adam and.... Eve and Evon" thing tip you off? I mean, you`re Christian, not stupid. Wait...
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    VONLINE Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 11:32 am
    "but I also firmly think that if such a system were discovered, we as a collective society should do anything and everything in our being to overcome such systems"

    Basically what I`m asking Overmann is, what do you do then when such a system that you say destroys hope, is also the same system that is responsible for creating hope elsewhere? Do you blame the system, or those responsible for abusing it?

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    Spaminator Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 11:38 am
    This video made me lolz.
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    catbarf Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 11:41 am
    "Basically what I`m asking Overmann is, what do you do then when such a system that you say destroys hope, is also the same system that is responsible for creating hope elsewhere? Do you blame the system, or those responsible for abusing it?"

    Here`s the thing. It`s not abusing the system. The Bible, if anything, encourages the murders and atrocities it has caused. If ANYTHING, the people who DON`T kill homosexuals/kids who disrespect their parents/members of a town where a non-believer is found/etc. are the ones abusing the system- they`re using parts of the Bible for their own ends, while at the same time ignoring other passages.

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    angelicamber Female 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 11:41 am
    ...this gut gives Christians a bad name...
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    lenashawitz Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 11:43 am
    Awesome, 2 anti-christian videos in 2 days!
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    milo94 Male 13-17
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    February 15, 2008 at 11:45 am
    This guys talking as if after a bunch of athiests watch this video they`ll all of a sudden become christian. Athiests don`t really care who believes in god or not. Im catholic. I have a bunch of athiest friends. Who gives a poo!!
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    lenashawitz Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 11:46 am
    Wow, after reading these comments, have you guys ever seen any stand up comedian? How bout Stephen Colbert.. This is a form of comedy where you share the opposite viewpoint on something so you say what you don`t believe in an immature and easily countered matter... You can`t take things literally, he was making fun of christian arrogance by blatantly saying they win for things that obviously proves nothing.. he knows it, a lot of you dont.
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    minjofu Female 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 11:51 am
    Okay.. I don`t know if anyone has posted this article, but I think it would settle a lot of things down here..

    http://www.cracked.com/article_15663_10-...

    the second part is here:

    http://www.cracked.com/article_15759_p3....

    Check it out.. it`s well written, and actually fairly unbiased..

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    Drumlord25 Male 13-17
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    February 15, 2008 at 11:51 am
    Religion is for the brainwashed
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    VONLINE Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 11:52 am
    "Here`s the thing. It`s not abusing the system. The Bible, if anything, encourages the murders and atrocities it has caused. If ANYTHING, the people who DON`T kill homosexuals/kids who disrespect their parents/members of a town where a non-believer is found/etc. are the ones abusing the system- they`re using parts of the Bible for their own ends, while at the same time ignoring other passages."

    Hmmmm. I missed that part in the Bible where it tells me I should be murdering gay people, and little children, and slaughtering entire towns.

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    Maelstrom_x Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 11:58 am
    SECOND CORINTHIANS IN YOUR FACE!!!
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    catbarf Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 11:59 am
    Deuteronomy 13:12-18, for one thing. Check it out.
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    catbarf Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 12:00 pm
    It essentially states that if you should find a non-believer in a town, you must kill everyone in the town, burn all their possessions, and never rebuild the town. A little harsh, wouldn`t you say?
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    Brant167 Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 12:00 pm
    Cause all Athesist and all Catholics have the exact same thoughts, motives, and ideals. Faith is a exteremly powerful part of many peoples life; no one can denie that. Saying that faith is a lie is inherly untrue because that faith is lived through that person. As for this moron he is just a athesist being sarcastic and trying to demean someone by attacking their religion.
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    horn4231 Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 12:01 pm
    VONLINE - be careful what you say, we are not called to correct atheists through message boards. we are to disciple them and love them. the Bible says "go and make disciples of all nations" ...disciples, not converts. By messaging people through a discussion board like this, you might enhance their stereotypes of Christians.

    ...I respect you for what you are doing, and i used to do it alot too, but God has shown me otherwise and I`m just trying to share my beliefs as a Christian brother.

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    minjofu Female 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 12:01 pm
    Oh.. and a good article featuring a theory of origin..

    http://users.aristotle.net/~diogenes/beg...

    (c`mon..read em.. you`re on a site called i-am-bored .. what else do you have to do??)

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    catbarf Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 12:01 pm
    Leviticus 20:13 states:
    "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them."
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    catbarf Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 12:03 pm
    And Leviticus 20:9 states:
    "For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him."
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    catbarf Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 12:04 pm
    So right there, we have examples of the Bible requiring anyone who disrespects their parents to be killed, all homosexuals to be killed, and all the inhabitants of a town containing non-believers should be put to death.

    Vonline, you are quite naive.

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    minjofu Female 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 12:05 pm
    lol.. you really like these debates, dont ya catbarf??
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    minjofu Female 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 12:07 pm
    On a side note.. All of this.. this..heated disagreement.. I know there`s more than one person on this thread who`s having a ball getting people riled up.. You can tell which one`s I`m on about too :P
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    Sonic2001 Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 12:08 pm
    Man, that was funny, now back to eating the bible with BBq suace
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    catbarf Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 12:08 pm
    The Bible requires you to kill people who don`t listen to priests, witches, homosexuals, fortunetellers, kids who disrespect or hit their parents, adulterers, fornicators, followers of other religions and non-believers, false prophets, women who aren`t virgins when wed, blasphemers, people who work on the Sabbath, and the children of any of the people killed for any of the reasons above. It`s INSANE.
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    tvc15db Female 30-39
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    February 15, 2008 at 12:10 pm
    This guy is a freaking idiot that he gets all of his information from the bible. What about all the other religions in this world well this guy must think they are wrong as well.
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    VONLINE Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 12:10 pm
    I tend to put more stock into the commandment "Thou shalt not kill".

    And Horn, I`m not here trying to convert anyone. I don`t do that. I`m simply debating those who think religion as a whole is a bad thing.

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    catbarf Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 12:11 pm
    "On a side note.. All of this.. this..heated disagreement.. I know there`s more than one person on this thread who`s having a ball getting people riled up.. You can tell which one`s I`m on about too :P"

    I do enjoy debate, but that`s not why I`m arguing. I`m arguing because many of the things said here are utterly, completely false.

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    catbarf Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 12:13 pm
    "I tend to put more stock into the commandment "Thou shalt not kill"."

    So, you say the Bible is contradictory? Now there`s something. Watch out, the fundies are going to execute you for your blasphemous sin.

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    minjofu Female 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 12:13 pm
    but .. you see that not all christians have morals and values based entirely by standards set forth by the bible.. right? Just as most christians see that atheists can possess morals and values outside of religion?? Right? I think what people miss out on is that no matter what group you belong to, christian, athiest, vegan, carnivore (i`ve met some VERY self righteous preachy vegans in my time), a pushy, c*cky as*hole is a pushy c*cky a*shole..
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    Maelstrom_x Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 12:15 pm
    _____________________________________
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    HOLY CRAP PEOPLE, CALM DOWN.

    THIS IS OBVIOUS MEANT AS A JOKE!

    _____________________________________
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    VONLINE Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 12:17 pm
    Yes, I`m deathly afraid of all the fundimentalist Christians who are coming to spill my blood by the edge of the sword.
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    643197 Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 12:17 pm
    lol.
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    minjofu Female 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 12:18 pm
    No one wants to listen to ANYONE who pushes them around, or belittles their beliefs, which for one reason or another are important to them as people.. it`s how they`ve come to define themselves, and the world around them.. You insult, attack, or belittle anyone.. even if it was as simple as someone who says purple socks are better than green socks and believes this with their whole heart, is being a jerk.. I don`t care what belief system you have.. that`s just not done in polite society.. Wars emerge when you try to FORCE your ideas on another person.. and this goes for both sides..
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    catbarf Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 12:18 pm
    "but .. you see that not all christians have morals and values based entirely by standards set forth by the bible.. right? Just as most christians see that atheists can possess morals and values outside of religion?? Right? I think what people miss out on is that no matter what group you belong to, christian, athiest, vegan, carnivore (i`ve met some VERY self righteous preachy vegans in my time), a pushy, c*cky as*hole is a pushy c*cky a*shole.."

    So you`re saying that it`s perfectly okay to ignore the laws that your holy creator has laid out for you, and that you won`t be sent to Hell for it, despite the fact that that`s exactly what the Bible says will happen?

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    catbarf Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 12:20 pm
    "Wars emerge when you try to FORCE your ideas on another person.. and this goes for both sides.."

    Please, do find me an atheistic text that says that you will be rewarded with eternal paradise if you kill anyone who disagrees with your beliefs.

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    minjofu Female 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 12:21 pm
    Oh, and you teach people by being a living example of something.. you want fair treatment, you give fair treatment.. you want your ideas to be considered rational, and or plausible? Act like a rational person.. You want people to understand the value in your lifestyle? Live it.. Just don`t cram it down someone else`s throat, or put someone else down..
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    Shisi Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 12:22 pm
    The video speaks for itself.
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    minjofu Female 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 12:23 pm
    "Wars emerge when you try to FORCE your ideas on another person.. and this goes for both sides.."
    Please, do find me an atheistic text that says that you will be rewarded with eternal paradise if you kill anyone who disagrees with your beliefs.

    There is no athiestic text.. at least not a difinitive one.. that I know of.. However what I meant was a war that errupts out of retaliation.. Do you honestly think that by repressing someone`s right to worship the deity of their choice, that you are any better than those who would force you to take on their religion? It`s no different? What I`m talking about here is a double standard that seems to be emerging..

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    minjofu Female 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 12:25 pm
    Okay.. The majority of atheists I`ve encountered in my life have been the "We must save mankind by abolishing religion".. Is that no different than a christian approaching you and saying "you must be saved from eternal damnation by MY god"..?? It`s the same damn thing..
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    minjofu Female 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 12:29 pm
    and.. the last I checked.. we`re not even supposed to tell each other "Merry Christmas" anymore.. From what I`ve noticed religion is being shoved out of many aspects american life. What you`ll find though, is the harder you push, or the more you cut away.. the harsher the reprisal is going to be.. people are going to fight tooth and nail to keep from being ignored, repressed, or basically assmiliated..
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    primetimekin Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 12:30 pm
    DAMN YOU SATIRE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Before I read any comments let me eliminate some people who I wont waste my breathe on:
    1. If you are a Christian and you took this seriously, NEXT
    2. If you are an Atheist who doesnt understand that the person in the video was more than likely an atheist, NEXT
    3. People who cant tolerate other religions
    4. Jews

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    Nytewulf Male 30-39
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    February 15, 2008 at 12:30 pm
    Jeez, let the atheists be atheists, the christians be christians, the budhists be budhists, etc, etc, etc. and shut up already.
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    CheeseMan1 Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 12:30 pm
    Pretty funny video. If you think he really meant any of that, you`re delusional.
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    primetimekin Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 12:32 pm
    Nytewulf, not that easy. As a christian you are supposed to spread your beliefs, not force them, but give others the opportunity to join.
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    minjofu Female 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 12:32 pm
    CheeseMan1.. the only reason videos and links like that get posted is to cause this sort of reaction.. you know that.. lol
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    minjofu Female 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 12:35 pm
    Nytewulf, not that easy. As a christian you are supposed to spread your beliefs, not force them, but give others the opportunity to join.

    .. It`s hard though, because people don`t listen to what they don`t want to hear?? People are quoting passages left and right, and I don`t know which passage this is.. but I know that it addresses this subject.. it`s something about casing your pearls before swine.. NOW don`t go freaking out about it.. I`m not calling anyone a pig, or anything like that.. but, stubborness is also known as pigheadedness, and, you have to admit when someone is totally closed off to new ideas, they are kind of stubborn..

    I dunno.. maybe I`m just using verbal masturbation here.. :P..

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    catbarf Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 12:37 pm
    "Jeez, let the atheists be atheists, the christians be christians, the budhists be budhists, etc, etc, etc. and shut up already."

    That`d be nice. Ever heard of the Crusades?

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    CookieKing Male 13-17
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    February 15, 2008 at 12:38 pm
    lol barf
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    minjofu Female 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 12:41 pm
    "That`d be nice. Ever heard of the Crusades?"

    Christianity, like most belief systems evolves with the times. It`s not likely that sort of thing will happen again. You also have to take into consideration that most major conflicts throughout history have more than religious causes - economical, societal, cultural.. it`s never JUST about religion.. You`re a smart guy.. I know you see that..

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    Overmann Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 12:41 pm
    "Okay.. The majority of atheists I`ve encountered in my life have been the `We must save mankind by abolishing religion`.. Is that no different than a christian approaching you and saying `you must be saved from eternal damnation by MY god`..?? It`s the same damn thing.."

    Not at all, simply because attempting to save mankind from religion has material consequences and is rooted in reality, while religionists attempting to save people from a perceived reality is rooted in the supernatural, for which there is no proof. In other words, the negative effects of religion are felt on this planet and are tangible; the belief that people are going to hell is intangible and has no rational basis.

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    primetimekin Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 12:41 pm
    catbarf, the Catholic Church has made an official apology to all the religions affected by the inquisition and the Crusades. Thank you for bringing up references that are no longer relevant.
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    minjofu Female 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 12:46 pm
    "Not at all, simply because attempting to save mankind from religion has material consequences and is rooted in reality, while religionists attempting to save people from a perceived reality is rooted in the supernatural, for which there is no proof. In other words, the negative effects of religion are felt on this planet and are tangible; the belief that people are going to hell is intangible and has no rational basis."

    Then, Overmann, do you propose that the very ideal this country was formed on, the idea that one should be free to persue their own "happiness" should it be an earthly one, or a "supernatural" one, should be ignored? This isn`t about religion.. this is about freedom?

    Can you consider that both sides have valid points? If someone can`t do this, than they`re just as closed minded as their "opposition"..

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    primetimekin Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 12:49 pm
    I can picture 100 years from now, there is no religion and there is still a war between the Allied Atheist Alliance, the United Atheist Alliance, and the Unified Atheist League. SCIENCE DAMMIT!!!
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    minjofu Female 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 12:50 pm
    Discovery.. of the earth, of the universe, of ourselves.. our bodies, and what makes us .. us.. is ever expanding.. to close yourself off from the possibility that there is more to existence than simply what you see .. well, that seems pretty unwise to me.. and thus incredibly unconvincing..
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    greengiant Male 13-17
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    February 15, 2008 at 12:50 pm
    this was funny. haha banana reminds me of the monkey poo...
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    minjofu Female 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 12:50 pm
    lol @ primetimekin
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    greengiant Male 13-17
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    February 15, 2008 at 12:52 pm
    primetimekin: smartest comment i`ve read so far
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    Johnnyk123 Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 12:52 pm
    1. Charles Darwin was Agnostic,not atheist.
    2. He became atheist because his daughter died, not because he thought religion was wrong.

    May,or may not be relevant to your "discussion", but for all you atheists that think Darwin was one of you.

    And I hate all the comments from ignorant atheists here that assume we have the only religion in the world. I have never ONCE read a book or a thread or a post bashing ANY other religion.

    Being anti-Christian is a FAD. Nothing more.

    I`d like more proof then your VERY inaccurate Carbon Dating. And it`s inaccurate due to the fact that scientists don`t know that it`s exactly that old.

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    sjaakwortel Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 12:56 pm
    all his argument are based on the same thing"the bible is true" so thats its only argument. 1-1
    and here a question for him "could god make a rock he cant lift ???" let him try to talk himself outta that one 1-2. athiests win IN LAST MINUTE!!!!!
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    SpoonFork Male 30-39
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    February 15, 2008 at 12:58 pm
    Gee, could he being gay have anything to do with his reason for being against Christianity?
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    BroadwayLove Female 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 1:00 pm
    ...what is it? attack Christianity Week?
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    Johnnyk123 Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 1:01 pm
    ^^^

    More proof that the sun doesn`t shine out of the ass of atheism.

    That`s quite a paradox. Here`s one.

    Can an atheist become open minded and NOT be elitist about his/her belief?

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    catbarf Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 1:03 pm
    "catbarf, the Catholic Church has made an official apology to all the religions affected by the inquisition and the Crusades. Thank you for bringing up references that are no longer relevant."

    And when did they apologize about Galileo? Oh, yes, 1992. Has the world changed dramatically in the last 16 years? Hardly.

    "I can picture 100 years from now, there is no religion and there is still a war between the Allied Atheist Alliance, the United Atheist Alliance, and the Unified Atheist League. SCIENCE DAMMIT!!!"

    Last time I checked, Christianity does not have separate splinter groups at war with each other over what they should call themselves.

    "1. Charles Darwin was Agnostic,not atheist.
    2. He became atheist because his daughter died, not because he thought religion was wrong."

    Bull.

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    Johnnyk123 Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 1:03 pm
    No broadwaylove, just more atheists denying the possibility of a God. And the condemning of Christians for our beliefs.

    People purposely post these things in order to makeus respond so they can attack us more.

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    catbarf Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 1:04 pm
    "Discovery.. of the earth, of the universe, of ourselves.. our bodies, and what makes us .. us.. is ever expanding.. to close yourself off from the possibility that there is more to existence than simply what you see .. well, that seems pretty unwise to me.. and thus incredibly unconvincing.."

    There`s a hell of a lot beyond what we see. There`s the interactions of molecules, the peculiarities of quantum physics and relativity, the ancient existence of stars and planets, the celestial phenomena that stretch out to infinity. There`s more than you can see with your naked eye. Believing in fairies in the garden is not necessary for that.

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    catbarf Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 1:05 pm
    "No broadwaylove, just more atheists denying the possibility of a God. And the condemning of Christians for our beliefs.

    People purposely post these things in order to makeus respond so they can attack us more. "

    You`re an idiot.

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    Tweetness Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 1:05 pm
    13 pages, i`m impressed I love how religion brings us together.
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    Johnnyk123 Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 1:07 pm
    "The death of his daughter Annie in 1851 made him more certain in his skepticism. He continued to help the local church with parish work, but on Sundays would go for a walk while his family attended church. He now thought it better to look at pain and suffering as the result of general laws rather than direct intervention by God. When asked about his religious views, he wrote that he had never been an atheist in the sense of denying the existence of a God, and that generally “an Agnostic would be the more correct description of my state of mind.”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_dar...

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    primetimekin Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 1:11 pm
    I thought it was common knowledge that Darwin was agnostic, then again, if knowledge was common every one would have it.
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    Johnnyk123 Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 1:12 pm
    "There`s a hell of a lot beyond what we see. There`s the interactions of molecules, the peculiarities of quantum physics and relativity, the ancient existence of stars and planets, the celestial phenomena that stretch out to infinity. There`s more than you can see with your naked eye. Believing in fairies in the garden is not necessary for that."

    That`s funny. Because atheists judge things to be existent or non-existent by what they can and cannot see. If you can`t see, feel or hear it; it doesn`t exist.

    Oh yeah, 2/3 of scientists are deist, which is a mono-theistic RELIGION, much like Christianity. So, only 1/3of scientists are even on your side.

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    primetimekin Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 1:15 pm
    "And when did they apologize about Galileo? Oh, yes, 1992. Has the world changed dramatically in the last 16 years? Hardly."
    Atleast they are not being hypocritical. Catholics believe in forgive and forget, they did something wrong an asked for forgiveness. They realized their mistakes. Nothing else they can do.

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    hmwith Female 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 1:18 pm
    That`s the most ignorant thing I`ve ever seen.

    The first sentence calls atheists those who "hate God". That cannot be true, because they don`t believe God exists. How can one hate something or someone that they do not believe exists?

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    Johnnyk123 Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 1:19 pm
    The fact of the matter is YOU CANNOT PROVE OR DISPROVE GOD, Period. I`m a very devout catholic and I`m saying that.

    No matter how much your ignorant mind thinks, you cannot. Not enough proof either way.

    Here`s another FUN FACT.

    Charles Darwin didn`t create the "theory of natural selection". Alfred Wallace, a not so known deist (religious person), first coined the theory.
    And until Darwin discovered this, he admitted evolution didn`t make sense and nearly stopped writing it.

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    sfcg Male 30-39
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    February 15, 2008 at 1:22 pm
    This guys a freakin moron. As usual his evengelical explanations have no grounding in truth and are based of of what the bible says, even though the bible has been bastardized throughout the ages by kings and popes, and the like, or on some stupid comment that is supposed to confuse children like "Have you ever seen Einstein crawl out from under your couch". No but if you lived to be 2 billion years old you might. The only irrefutible proof he`s presented here is that he`s a douchebag.

    And what the hell is wrong with being agnostic you one sided, `mama obviously beat me into going to churh` jerkoff. He looks and acts like a recovering drug addict, just clinging to the one thing that makes his life make sense.

    Most people I know that are tolerable churchgoers are tolerant of other people and their beliefs, just like we are of yours, until you start insulting us.

    I`m Rick James b333333333330tch!

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    primetimekin Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 1:25 pm
    sfcg- its satire
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    Johnnyk123 Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 1:26 pm
    And for all you ignorant asses out there who spewn the nonsense "BUT CATHEWLIKS BELIEVE IN EVOOLOOTION!!!1" Do some drating research.

    The Catholic evolution is completely different.

    There are 2 versions of evolution. Macro,and micro.

    Macro evolution is the theory most commonly addressed form. The form that Darwin, and 95% of atheists believed happened. That species evolved over a VAST period of time. This form has not been observed and it`s just as likely as religion to have not happened.

    The second form is more religion friendly. It`s called Micro Evolution. It`s the theory that things evolve more quickly and over a shorter period of time, lets say... thousands of years,not millions.
    This form of evolution has been observed. And is more compatible with religion and Darwin`s theories.


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    Bekll Female 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 1:26 pm
    HE IS NOT A CHRISTIAN. THIS VIDEO WAS A PARODY. LOOK UP HIS REAL PAGE FOR MORE INFORMATION.
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    Johnnyk123 Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 1:28 pm
    SFCG, he`s being sarcastic.

    It`s just another attempt the demean Christianity.

    Like 99% of everything else they do.

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    Johnnyk123 Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 1:28 pm
    BEKLL

    WE KNOW. NOW PLEASE STOP USING CAPS BEFORE YOU UNDO EVERYTHING I JUST SAID!

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    imatwirp Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 1:32 pm
    Wow, no wonder so many people turn away from christianity...

    If this guy is Serious, and not just pretending to be a naive christian, then wow... He has misunderstood everything...

    An Atheist is one that rejects Faith. And leans more on Fact, and the search for answers...

    Christians tend to not ask questions... If we did not ask questions, or defy others, our race as a whole would have failed long time ago...


    Science investigates; religion interprets. Science gives man knowledge which is power; religion gives man wisdom which is control. Science deals mainly with facts; religion deals mainly with values. The two are not rivals. They are complementary.

    Science keeps religion from sinking into the valley of crippling irrationalism and paralyzing obscurantism. Religion prevents science from falling into the marsh of obsolete materialism and moral nihilism.

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    slpknt416 Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 1:32 pm
    i wanna punch this guy in the mouth
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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 1:33 pm
    Since when is deism a RELIGION?

    Deism is the belief that there is an indifferent mover, and that basically he set everything into motion and stop giving a poo. Eternal life, and things such as that are not included. So deism has NOTHING to do with Christianity at all. In fact, they are opposed to each other.

    Plus, your facts are 100% wrong. Most of your scientists are agnostic or atheist. The `all star` scientists if you will are predominately atheist. Somewhere around 96%.

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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 1:34 pm
    There is a lot of stupid ass totally ignorant arguments. Please research evolution. Read the Origin of Species.

    DO SOMETHING before you open your fu*king mouth about things you obviously don`t even REMOTELY comprehend or know of.

    Evolution took billions of years, and Darwin figured as much.

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    primetimekin Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 1:37 pm
    SprinkZ I think you should do research. Religion means your spiritual belief which means Christians, Atheist, Agnostics and Deist are all religions.

    Deism started off as a sect of Christianity but now it is not limited to that. You can be a Christian Deist.

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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 1:39 pm
    "I`d like more proof then your VERY inaccurate Carbon Dating. And it`s inaccurate due to the fact that scientists don`t know that it`s exactly that old."

    Hahaha. This old poo again? Carbon-dating is probably one of the most accurate methods of radio-metric dating we have! I`d like to see the evidence against it, because I think I know what you are talking about, and that entire thing was setup to throw carbon-dating into question, when it never has been.

    Carbon dating is based on the radioactive decay of carbon 14 which is the most common form of carbon. Somewhere around 99% of carbon is carbon 14. It decays into nitrogen 14 over thousands of years at a very steady rate--like a clock. So if you think radiodating is wrong then you need some proof.

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    Johnnyk123 Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 1:39 pm
    Deism is a religious philosophy and movement that derives the existence and nature of God from reason and personal experience.

    Deism is a sub-category of theism, in that both entail belief in a deity. Like theism, deism is not a religion in itself, but rather a basic belief upon which religions can be built.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deism


    2/3rds of all scientists believe in God
    http://www.livescience.com/strangenews/0...

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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 1:40 pm
    Well, we can all agree on this:

    Everyone is an atheist; it`s just that I believe in one less god than you.

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    Johnnyk123 Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 1:41 pm
    Carbon dating is inaccurate

    http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs2002...

    P.S. very reliable site, even though it`s christian.

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    primetimekin Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 1:41 pm
    SPrinkZ the problem with Carbon dating is that Carbon can be added from the environment. So its not so steady.
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    Gunit1 Female 13-17
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    February 15, 2008 at 1:41 pm
    when he said " Pray for stuff and it will happen"
    WHERE`S MY MILLION BUCKS???? HUH YOU BASTARD?????
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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 1:41 pm
    http://www.stephenjaygould.org/ctrl/news...

    Yeah, I can start throwing out things too.

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    Johnnyk123 Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 1:42 pm
    Atheism, as a philosophical view, is the position that either affirms the nonexistence of gods or rejects theism

    If you believe in god, you are not atheist. shut up.

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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 1:42 pm
    I got all the carbon dating backwards, but it`s very accurate.
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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 1:43 pm
    Are you seriously using answers in genesis? There are websites purely dedicated to proving everything inside of it wrong. That site is as reliable as a hooker to her husband.
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    Johnnyk123 Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 1:43 pm
    Nature © Macmillan Publishers Ltd 1998 Registered No.

    http://www.stephenjaygould.org/ctrl/news...

    That website is 10 years old

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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 1:45 pm
    The problem with religious sites is that they have an agenda to PROVE that carbon-dating is wrong. Other websites you would read are just trying to present facts.

    Answersingenesis is a joke.

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    Johnnyk123 Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 1:47 pm
    Sprinkz, are you an idiot?

    Did you even read my website?

    It has NOTHING todo with genesis. That`s merely the name of the site. it deals with the inaccuracies of carbon dating

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    Persimmons Female 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 1:48 pm
    ok, i made it to #3.... and then my brain hurt
    regardless of whos right or wrong, this guy is a complete moron, and hes making a mockery out of the only remote credibility religion has... mindless and blind acceptence, which i suppose isnt very credible... though he does have a point, the book hes holding is tangible, and "real" as real as moluclear structure can be...
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    Johnnyk123 Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 1:48 pm
    All websites are bias buddy, not just religious ones.

    So stop thinking that religion is out to get you.

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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 1:48 pm
    I read what you wrote, but your website is 10 years old. Mine is more recent. Did you diss yourself?
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    catbarf Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 1:49 pm
    "The death of his daughter Annie in 1851 made him more certain in his skepticism. He continued to help the local church with parish work, but on Sundays would go for a walk while his family attended church. He now thought it better to look at pain and suffering as the result of general laws rather than direct intervention by God. When asked about his religious views, he wrote that he had never been an atheist in the sense of denying the existence of a God, and that generally “an Agnostic would be the more correct description of my state of mind.”

    Wikipedia. How do you know that article wasn`t written by sonmeone with their own agenda?

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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 1:49 pm
    All websites are biased? Not really. Religion has something to prove. If all scientists believe in God, or 2/3s of them, then why would no self-respecting scientist agree with your asinine premise?
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    catbarf Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 1:49 pm
    "That`s funny. Because atheists judge things to be existent or non-existent by what they can and cannot see. If you can`t see, feel or hear it; it doesn`t exist."

    Bull. An atheist judges things to be existent or non-existent by what has or doesn`t have proof, in any form. Or do you really think that there is not a single atheistic scientist in the world who believes that cells exist?

    "Oh yeah, 2/3 of scientists are deist, which is a mono-theistic RELIGION, much like Christianity. So, only 1/3of scientists are even on your side. "

    What`s funny is that of the world population, closer to 4/5 is theistic. So what you`re saying is that scientists are more likely to be atheistic. In fact, if you do some research, you find that a study conducted in 1998 found that only 7% of the members of the US National Academy of Science were theistic. In fact, 39 studies over the past eighty years have found an inverse correlation between intelligence and religiosity.

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    catbarf Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 1:50 pm
    "No matter how much your ignorant mind thinks, you cannot. Not enough proof either way."

    And if there is no proof for something, the rational mind dismisses it. A man on trial need not prove his innocence just as the prosecutor must prove guilt.

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    Johnnyk123 Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 1:50 pm
    Atheist websites have as little merit anyone else`s.

    Because they present the facts THEY want presented.

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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 1:50 pm
    "Clearly, such huge time periods cannot be fitted into the Bible without compromising what the Bible says about the goodness of God and the origin of sin, death and suffering—the reason Jesus came into the world."

    Do you read that? That`s an AGENDA.

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    Overmann Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 1:51 pm
    "Then, Overmann, do you propose that the very ideal this country was formed on, the idea that one should be free to persue their own `happiness` should it be an earthly one, or a `supernatural` one, should be ignored? This isn`t about religion.. this is about freedom?"

    People have a right to pursue happiness so long as that happiness doe not interfere with, especially negatively, others. Religion has long since demonstrated that it as a whole cannot keep from doing this, and so it has become vulnerable to justified criticism. I do feel people should have a great deal of freedom, but only until they are demonstrated to have abused that freedom and have harmed others in some way.

    "Can an atheist become open minded and NOT be elitist about his/her belief?"

    Yes.

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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 1:51 pm
    They present all of the facts. That Christian website you linked me to flatly sends out its agenda with what I just quoted.

    It`s so obvious that they need to amend facts and change numbers merely to coincide with the bible. You are so damn ignorant it`s horrible.

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    Johnnyk123 Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 1:52 pm
    If there is no proof, a truly rational mind would investigate it more thoroughly. Not dismiss it on how it sounds.

    And the defending lawyer provides nothing for the man on trial?

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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 1:53 pm
    If there is no case, then the man doesn`t have to defend anything. The burden of proof is on you. Not me. Prove God.
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    Johnnyk123 Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 1:55 pm
    You`re being completely bias right now dude.

    I`ve admitted God cannot be prove and cannot be dis proven.You`re just so close mined as to see it through what you want to think.

    Please post a link supporting your comments. That isn`t a decade old.

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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 1:55 pm
    Let me guess Johnny, you are the kind of person who thinks God put dinosaur fossils in the ground to test our faith?
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    catbarf Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 1:55 pm
    "If there is no proof, a truly rational mind would investigate it more thoroughly."

    And still find no proof. And thus dismiss it.

    "Not dismiss it on how it sounds."

    And even leaving aside the lack of proof, it`s an utterly ridiculous concept.

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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 1:55 pm
    My website wasn`t a decade old...My website was from 2005...yours was from 1998.
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    LadyIsis Female 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 1:56 pm
    if you believed everything in this video, add 1,000,000,000,000 to your God delusion quiz
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    Johnnyk123 Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 1:57 pm
    And overman; Joseph Stalin killed many people for being religious. Is atheism not stepping on the toes of religious people? And many more or killing in the USA, most Marxist atheists.
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    catbarf Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 1:57 pm
    "I`ve admitted God cannot be prove and cannot be dis proven."

    If God cannot be proven, it should not be taken seriously.

    Again: Would you take seriously the notion that when nobody is looking, a dollar bill turns into a hamster? You can`t prove it, you can`t disprove it, don`t you dare call it ridiculous because you have no proof it isn`t real.

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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 1:58 pm
    "What role might the Genesis Flood have played in the amount of carbon? The Flood would have buried large amounts of carbon from living organisms (plant and animal) to form today’s fossil fuels (coal, oil, etc.). The amount of fossil fuels indicates there must have been a vastly larger quantity of vegetation in existence prior to the Flood than exists today. This means that the biosphere just prior to the Flood might have had 500 times more carbon in living organisms than today. This would further dilute the amount of 14C and cause the 14C/12C ratio to be much smaller than today."

    This is incredibly stupid. It takes MILLIONS of years for coal/oil to generate. And it takes way more plant matter, and animal matter to make as much as we have today.

    The entire article you sent me is filled with drating holes.

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    catbarf Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 1:58 pm
    "And overman; Joseph Stalin killed many people for being religious. Is atheism not stepping on the toes of religious people? And many more or killing in the USA, most Marxist atheists."

    A drop in the bucket compared to the Crusades. And regardless, `Marxist atheists`? What a riot.

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    Overmann Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 1:59 pm
    "That`s funny. Because atheists judge things to be existent or non-existent by what they can and cannot see. If you can`t see, feel or hear it; it doesn`t exist."

    Not true; I, for one, judge the existence of things by their representation in evidence. We as a clever species have uncovered information that exists and is not immediately available to our senses, such as the presence of electromagnetic radiation in frequencies aside from what we can see, atoms, etc. You`re not being very open-minded yourself.

    "This form has not been observed and it`s just as likely as religion to have not happened."

    Just as likely not to have happened? On what authority are you claiming this? By the way, you`re misusing the terminology. Microevolution refers to evolution that occurs at the genetic level, while macroevolution occurs at the species level and beyond. You cannot reasonably accept one while denying the other, either.

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    Velvet_Snow Female 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 1:59 pm
    this has to be a joke. no real christian would make such stupid points that are easily denied. i think. maybe christians are dumber than i thought. i feel good being an atheist.
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    FloridaSnow Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 2:00 pm
    Sorry, but this argument is stupid when we ALL know it will end the same as every other religious debate: NO U!!!111

    Noones going to end up changing thier views.

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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 2:00 pm
    And Hitler killed people for being atheist. Hitler thought that only Christians should exist.

    What the hell is your point? Joseph Stalin killed people so he could remain in power. Popes have sent children to fight their crusades deep in the past, but it doesn`t make religion wrong because of it, but it is often a tool.

    I have never heard of people dying, or fighting for atheism. It`s just impossible to do so.

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    Shicorro Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 2:01 pm
    I beilieve in God. But I don`t believe in everything i`ve ever heard, just bits and pieces that sound right. I figure he`s watching everything, as long as i don`t kill or rape or damage someone who didn`t deserve it physically, mentally, even materially.
    Sex is cool though, aswell as toking, and I steal sometimes (txt books, cd`s, posters, from stores), but never from actual people or their belongings (car, home, etc), unless it`s revenge.
    I`m sure heaven`s real. There`s definently something after, good and bad.
    Prayer is something. I pray every week to win the lottery, haven`t won yet, but I will keep doing so until I do. I have two blessed beautiful, silver and blue, and gold and red, clip things on each visor that I feel protect me when I drive (st. michael my home boy, and some other saint that watches my raod work).
    Big Bang, ok that`s fine, but why and what was before that? I say He did it.
    Me and him are cool, I`m sure.
    I also think aliens helped builed t
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    horn4231 Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 2:01 pm
    florida snow - that is the most accurate and truth-filled statement that has been on the board thus far.
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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 2:02 pm
    Macro-evolution is just a bunch of micro-evolutions. And don`t start quoting that intelligent design crap, because there is no evidence for it whatsoever, and I can destroy any argument for it because the whole `irreducible complexity` thing is bullpoo. You can live without plenty of your `parts`.
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    Overmann Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 2:04 pm
    "And overman; Joseph Stalin killed many people for being religious. Is atheism not stepping on the toes of religious people? And many more or killing in the USA, most Marxist atheists."

    Indeed he did, but you`re tragically (conveniently) failing to ask *why* he did it. I`d like to hear your own account of why Stalin did what he did.

    I will not accept a website titled "answersingenesis" as being scientifically honest. Show me a scientific website or journal article casting significant doubt on the accuracy of carbon or any other form of radiometric dating and I`ll give you more credibility than you currently show yourself to possess.

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    Shicorro Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 2:04 pm
    he pyrimids.
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    Johnnyk123 Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 2:07 pm
    The crusades were 700 years ago. No longer relevant.
    And my link is more reliable then yours.


    "Just as likely not to have happened? On what authority are you claiming this?" If a process takes millions of years,it cannot be physically observed.

    And yes,you can deny macro whilst accepting macro.

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    Johnnyk123 Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 2:10 pm
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2001/06/30/wdate30.xml
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    Dylan5121 Male 13-17
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    February 15, 2008 at 2:10 pm
    that was stupid
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    Johnnyk123 Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 2:12 pm
    Overman, no one can say why anyone does "anything". I can`t account for anything anyones does. Just Sprinkz can`t account for Hitler. Hitler used a 6000year old symbol made in India to support his white power regime.
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    Johnnyk123 Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 2:14 pm
    And it`s getting increasingly difficult to debate in here with all these idiots posting, thinking this dude is serious.
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    Johnnyk123 Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 2:18 pm
    All in all I don`t hate atheists. I don`t believe in what they say is truth either.

    You cannot disprove God. You can try, you can think you have all the answers to life; but you don`t.

    We cannot prove God, we may think we have all the answers to life; but we don`t.

    It comes down to perspectives. In my eyes God exists, in yours he doesn`t. All else is irrelevant.

    And the only reason this is happening to because people keep postings stupid posts like these.

    I`m turning 20 today and I`d like to attend my birthday party. So I`ll leave you with my previous comments.

    Good day.

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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 2:21 pm
    "And my link is more reliable then yours."

    How so? Yours is 10 years old. Mine is less than 3.

    Isn`t my information more recent? Are you stupid?

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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 2:22 pm
    "And yes,you can deny macro whilst accepting macro."

    Truer words were never spoken.

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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 2:23 pm
    Johnny, you are an atheist just like me. So it`s all right. I just believe in one less god than you do.
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    catbarf Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 2:27 pm
    "I beilieve in God. But I don`t believe in everything i`ve ever heard, just bits and pieces that sound right. I figure he`s watching everything, as long as i don`t kill or rape or damage someone who didn`t deserve it physically, mentally, even materially. "

    And that`s great. You can believe what you like, so long as you keep it to yourself. The problem is how many people take everything in the Bible to be absolute truth and then use it for horrible things.

    I personally believe that on the miniscule off chance that there is a God, he`d prefer I live honestly with myself rather than believe just because I`m afraid of going to hell.

    "The crusades were 700 years ago. No longer relevant."

    The Bible was 2000-ish years ago. No longer relevant?

    "And my link is more reliable then yours."

    How?

    "If a process takes millions of years,it cannot be physically observed."

    Sure it can. It`s called physical evidence.

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    catbarf Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 2:27 pm
    "And yes,you can deny macro whilst accepting macro."

    If you`re schizophrenic.

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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 2:30 pm
    Also Johnny, an argument from numbers is a pooty argument. Even if every scientist in the entire world and everyone in the entire world believe in God, it would not make it even remotely close to true.

    Just like people who agreed the earth was flat, and that everything was made of either earth, fire, water, or air.

    Your arguments all fail, and you are the worst god warrior I`ve ever seen.

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    hibiscuslc Female 13-17
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    February 15, 2008 at 2:33 pm
    I am a Christian myself, and idiots like that guy is the reason why we get bashed so often. He didn`t have ANY evidence for half of what he was saying besides his religous beliefs, which are up for debate to begin with.
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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 2:35 pm
    Religion has no evidence. I thought his arguments were pretty good for a Christian.
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    UnknownEntry Male 13-17
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    February 15, 2008 at 2:37 pm
    is this real? cuz he didn`t really give any good points besides the "fact" that hes right.
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    Quik2TheStab Male 18-29
    661 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 2:43 pm
    I love the "no one can prove anything" argument. It makes no sense. It changes no one`s opinion and doesn`t even express your own. Also, the "you need faith" argument is hilarious. It`s like saying "you need to believe in god in order to know that god exists"
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    Nidonemo Male 18-29
    9308 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 2:46 pm
    Wow, you guys are STILL arguing? There are funny videos out there to be found. Stop wasting time.
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    IceCream128 Male 18-29
    73 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 2:46 pm
    Well, that`s me stumped. How can I argue against such solid facts?

    `God created Adam and Eve, not Eve and Euvan`
    And yet, Christian teachings say that God planned the paths of our lives...

    Ouch. I hope that wasn`t the best he could come up with. If so, I`m fourteen and I could destroy him in a debate.

    How pathetic.

    And I googled his name, people, he IS serious... :-?

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    GeorgieRose Female 18-29
    49 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 2:50 pm
    I`m getting that sense of deja vu again. Personally i`m of the opinion that everyone should be made to read a selection of philosophical texts and be taught formal logic in school. Not that I think that would alter anyone`s actual beliefs, but a good dose of Kant will do wonders for anyone`s ability to rationally analyse and articulate their belief.
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    Overmann Male 18-29
    2600 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 2:52 pm
    "If a process takes millions of years,it cannot be physically observed."

    That is true, but you are also in effect saying that the existence of non-observable things are just as likely as the existence of a deity. Do I need to continue or are you able to see where I`m going with this?

    "And yes,you can deny macro whilst accepting macro."

    I assume you mean micro in the latter instance of macro. In that case, I ask you: are still subscribing to the definition you gave or have you altered your terminology according to the science standard, the definition I corrected you with?

    "Overman, no one can say why anyone does `anything`."

    No, but that doesn`t in any way hinder you from attempting to investigate why indeed he did kill. Get some perspective, look up alternative theories and critically think about such things. Did Stalin kill in the name of atheism or power?

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    Overmann Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 2:56 pm
    "Not that I think that would alter anyone`s actual beliefs, but a good dose of Kant will do wonders for anyone`s ability to rationally analyse and articulate their belief."

    Indeed, which is why I might recommend Hitchens` (editor) book, The Portable Atheist, which contains only the most significant works and views expressed by famous atheists throughout history. A handy collection, all in one book.

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    overgamer435 Male 13-17
    203 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 3:03 pm
    Uh... Is this guy serious? It sorta sounds like he`s trying to use sarcasm to make christianity seem wrong. On a side note, saying that all atheists hate god is a stereotype. I`m an atheist, and I have no problem with religion. Freedom to choose your own faith is one of the privilages that the United States of America was built on. I never question anyone`s religious beliefs, I just choose not to follow them because they don`t seem correct. I`m simply being honest with myself when i choose not to believe in god. If anyone wants to convince me otherwise, I listen with an open mind. If anyone questions my beliefs, I happily answer their questions. Anyone who is single minded enough (whether they believe in god or not) to not listen to what anyone has to say about their own beliefs is just an angry religious debate waiting to happen.
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    Zerocyde Male 18-29
    3256 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 3:05 pm
    HAHAHAHAHA!
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    opiebreath Female 18-29
    15774 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 3:22 pm
    You.. you guys realize that this is satire, right?

    I sure hope so.

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    Aka_Yari Female 18-29
    3 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 3:23 pm
    ... O_o What the hell? Why do people need to argue about God? If there is one, I`m pretty sure she gets mad when her children fight like this. I know mine does. But why does it matter to people who believe that there are people who don`t believe? Isn`t it just a little silly to think you`re going to convince anyone that you`re right by gnashing your teeth and shrieking like madmen? That goes for both sides. Trendy atheists who think anything they`re saying is "new," as well as fundamentalists of any religion who think everyone except them is going to Hell. I wish everyone would see that there isn`t an answer to this argument. It all depends on how one feels inside-- what makes them feel better about this fleeting existence we call life. If someone refuses to be swayed, then let them learn for themselves.
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    jtandtauna Female 18-29
    86 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 3:26 pm
    did anyone notice that this guy sounds just like the voice for the "god delusion" test?
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    TGPZarquon Male 30-39
    166 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 3:28 pm
    I couldn`t get past how much he looks and sounds like Kryten from Red Dwarf.
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    FluffyOrchid Female 18-29
    27 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 3:37 pm
    Ha. Points for facetious caption, loss of said points for a predictable and uninteresting (aside from the blantantly shameless exaggeration, tee-hee) three minutes of wasted life. So, anyone who was pissed yesterday will still be pissed tonight. Snaps for progress, you guys!
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    m-mac Male 18-29
    26 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 3:38 pm
    The biggest thing that bugs me about religions in general is that, you don`t really have a choice of what would be the best religion in your eyes. If your born in North America or parts of Europe, your Christian, if your born in the middle east, your Islamic, if your born in India, your gonna believe in Hinduism....so ow the hell are you gonna be able to say that your religion is the "true religion if you were just born into it? (generally i do know that some people do choose there religion)
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    mcmonkeyman Male 13-17
    243 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 3:43 pm
    funniest thing ive ever seen. The banana fits the human hand hahahhaha
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    shizzamX Female 18-29
    2695 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 3:44 pm
    FAIL
    I WIN
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    CynicalDog Male 13-17
    64 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 3:48 pm
    i think i just got 10 IQ points stupider
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    Fuchsbrauner Female 18-29
    183 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 3:49 pm
    This was clearly sarcastic. Yeesh.
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    RobSwindol Male 30-39
    2514 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 3:51 pm
    He referred to Atheists as "Atheists, who hate our hevenly father". Dude, how can Ateists hate God when they don`t believe that he exists? CHECKMATE!!!

    "Atheists say that the Bible isn`t real."
    No they don`t, they say that it was written by man, no God, and is therefore falible. CHECKMATE!!!

    "...but two thirds of the Bible web sites that I visit say that radiometric dating is rubbish."
    Just out of curiosity, who made Bible web sites the supreme authority on radiometric dating? I would trust a web site that specializes in radiometric dating over a Bible web site any day of the week. When you car breaks down, where would you look for help, at a site dedicated to auto mechanics, or a Bible web site? CHECKMATE!!!


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    Wey_Pooh Male 18-29
    1004 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 3:56 pm
    he`s just making fun of christianity. rate it a 4, come on. i thought he was serious at first too. was about to rate it a 1, but its really funny. religion is so stupid.
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    RobSwindol Male 30-39
    2514 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 3:57 pm
    Here are a few more things that Atheists say.

    1. Silk shirts are WAY out of style. Especially when you button them to the neck. CHECKMATE!!!

    2. Anyone can win a debate when there is no one around to contradict you. CHECKMATE!!!

    3. Atheist say that while a banana may fit in your hand nicely, try man handling a porcupine or a cactus or even fire like that.

    4. Atheist say "Practice what you preach". Matthew 7:1 says "Judge not lest ye be judged"

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    stumped4ever Male 13-17
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    February 15, 2008 at 3:58 pm
    hey bikerteen.. im also catholic.. and i go to a catholic school, mostly cuz the math education and other stuff is pretty good
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    -NeonCarrot- Male 13-17
    1496 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 3:59 pm
    That which can be asserted without proof can be dissmissed without proof
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    stumped4ever Male 13-17
    577 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 4:03 pm
    lol 1-0 was actually pretty smart...
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    stumped4ever Male 13-17
    577 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 4:04 pm
    hey bikerteen.. im also catholic.. and i go to a catholic school, mostly cuz the math education and other stuff is pretty good
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    Camira Male 18-29
    646 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 4:04 pm
    TROLL!
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    Overmann Male 18-29
    2600 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 4:05 pm
    -NeonCarrot-, is that an original statement, or is it a quote? If it is the latter, I should very much like to know who said or wrote it because it is profoundly insightful.
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    catbarf Male 18-29
    1455 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 4:08 pm
    I agree, where`s it from?
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    matsuri_aka Female 18-29
    252 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 4:20 pm
    Oh geez. ALL OF YOU QUIT ARGUING ABOUT ME!
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    RehtaeH Female 18-29
    288 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 4:21 pm
    checkmate!
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    Enimor Male 13-17
    15 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 4:24 pm
    Christ on a crackerjack that was retarded!
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    potterbean Male 13-17
    23 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 4:27 pm
    this is not only a joke but a joke constucted by athiests... for shame
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    stylinghead Male 30-39
    9 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 4:34 pm
    so you believe in the invisible man who lives in the sky and can read your mind? you are an idiot. every single thing that is wrong with the world today stems from religious thought. please go kill yourselves and leave the world a better place.
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    catbarf Male 18-29
    1455 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 4:39 pm
    "this is not only a joke but a joke constucted by athiests... for shame"

    You misspelled 1/7 of the words in your post, and one of them is only 7 letters long. You have no right to be talking.

    "so you believe in the invisible man who lives in the sky and can read your mind? you are an idiot. every single thing that is wrong with the world today stems from religious thought. please go kill yourselves and leave the world a better place."

    You`re completely wrong, and you`re not helping the cause with such statements.

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    AZROSE Female 18-29
    56 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 4:43 pm
    the guy is such a god damn dumbass! I wanna punch him in the face!!!
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    Oggleboppite Male 18-29
    180 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 4:45 pm
    If everything you think is right (you know who this is directed at), is it really that hard to believe that everyone else is right too?
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    mogaly Male 18-29
    107 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 4:45 pm
    the funny part is that some people believe this is true...
    CHECKMATE!!!
    thank you to who ever posted this, you made my day
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    Foob Male 40-49
    382 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 4:48 pm
    You people ARE aware that this is a slice of irony?
    Go through the posts, and see who takes it at face value, look at the country. Gasp. And giggle.
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    irishdncfrk Female 13-17
    2 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 4:48 pm
    I too am Christian, but that type of stuff is why loads of people hate and are so judegmental of us, for one, if they cant aregue back, your tally system is illegitamit, for two, insulting others doesnt give you kudos in Gods book, and for three, when every comment i`ve read so far, including ones from christians are really bad, i think you should take a clue and relook at how you try too convince people of a view. take some debate classes, im in high school and could argue my point better! and i totally agree wth "Biker Teen" when he said "is this for real?"
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    _Apocalypse_ Male 13-17
    38 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 4:52 pm
    taken from his blog : "I am an atheist, and I often meet people who consider themselves agnostics."
    He isn`t a christian
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    irishdncfrk Female 13-17
    2 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 5:00 pm
    haha, that would explain alot huh? well, even though i am christian, i will say i do know people like that..sooo
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    ryno1727 Male 13-17
    137 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 5:06 pm
    Everytime our American History teacher forces us to say the pledge of allegiance, I always say "...one nation, above god, indivisible..."
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    randomness07 Female 18-29
    280 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 5:07 pm
    Whats wrong with being an atheist!? I am and I dont care what other people believe in. I dont attack what they think!
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    MooffinMan Male 13-17
    83 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 5:17 pm
    wait...people actually think this is real? Seriously...
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    Skyira Female 18-29
    1134 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 5:25 pm
    creepy born-again christians 0.o.....
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    FloridaSnow Male 18-29
    416 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 5:47 pm
    Mannn...Athiests: chill out, who cares if they believe in all that stuff? they`re not hurting anyone, atleast anymore. Your`e not going to change thier views just relax and accept that ok. It`s very comforting for some people. Just let them do as they may. Just enjoy life for what it is.

    And christians: Peace man, it`s your choice to belive in what you want, just actually follow the teachings of your religion, and don`t harm others and don`t be too preachy, it gets on peoples nerves.

    We can all be fine if we stop bitchcing over this stupid asss poo that will never, ever change. There will always be thiests and athiest stop whining over it ok, its little kid stuff.

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    DVLDRVR666 Male 13-17
    612 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 5:49 pm
    When you think about it...who wrote the bible??? how does that work exactly...did someone just "happen" to be there during all of what happened...its ridiculous...i could write a story about...lets say...Jerry the Magnificant Penquin and then just say its all holy and poo...someone could find it in 1000 years and be like...Jerry the Magnificant Penguin was their god...amazing...thats why RELIGION IS B.S.
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    DVLDRVR666 Male 13-17
    612 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 5:54 pm
    ok sorry...but secondly...where is heaven exactly...for all you religious people out there...where is it???...surely it can`t be up in the clouds...Have you ever been in an airplane....I have tons of times...the plane has never...i dunno...hit an angel or ran through the gates of heaven...or accidentally knocked down God`s mailbox...no...its just bullpoo that people just believe in it because they are afraid to realize that there is no god...no happy places when you die...nothing...so ...ya
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    DVLDRVR666 Male 13-17
    612 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 5:57 pm
    Why do they change bull sh*t to bullpoo??
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    DVLDRVR666 Male 13-17
    612 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 5:58 pm
    Why can`t people do magic anymore...like cast spells...man i wish i could just go outside and cast some spells
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    DVLDRVR666 Male 13-17
    612 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 6:00 pm
    I think youtube.com is broken
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    Andyl Male 18-29
    300 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 6:02 pm
    Heehee, I love this guy. You just can`t fault his logic.
    Moving on, I just hate the argument that if we atheists don`t love God, we must automatically hate him. How can we hate something that doesn`t exist? Checkmate.

    Seriously though, Kudos to Jesus. I mean his biography is the best selling book of all time. And while all celebrities make up random stories and little tales to pop in their biographies to make them a better read, he managed to make people believe them to be true! What a guy.

    What a magician too! No one today can figure out how he did his whole "Jesus Christ: Crossed Out" stunt. Except me. Watch the TV coverage of it again. They switch him with a mannequin half way through when a Roman walks in front of the camera. He`s clever, that Jesus. And the bit where he came back to life? You just don`t get entertainment like that anymore. But thanks to copycats and CGI, you won`t get another Jesus. Ba$tards.

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    DVLDRVR666 Male 13-17
    612 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 6:11 pm
    WHat...????Jesus`s so called BIOGRAPHY is bullsh*t
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    lokilocke Male 13-17
    3 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 6:13 pm
    honestly, does anyone actually think this is real?

    It`s an obvious joke.

    Wow.

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    Nidonemo Male 18-29
    9308 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 6:13 pm
    "Why can`t people do magic anymore...like cast spells...man i wish i could just go outside and cast some spells"

    I know! I wish I could do that! I`d be making urban areas so clean and healing stray animals. You think we evolved out of it?

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    MooffinMan Male 13-17
    83 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 6:16 pm
    DVLDRVR666, the bible was actually written hundreds of years after Jesus was born/died (well the new testament anyway) and they left out like 2 or 3 gospels/
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    TomSFox Male 18-29
    732 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 6:18 pm
    EvilM: He is presenting real Christians arguments only! I know!
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    TomSFox Male 18-29
    732 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 6:18 pm
    B-Hazard:
    "Assuming there`s an all powerful being based on little to no facts is just as absurd to me as assuming a being that may have such power doesn`t exist based on little to no facts."

    Ever heard "You can`t prove a negative?"

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    xngvr Female 13-17
    3 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 6:19 pm
    I`m a Christian, but this vid was crap. He sounded...stupid? And he used some pretty bad examples...>.<
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    goodbye777 Male 13-17
    64 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 6:23 pm
    The funny thing is science and religion have a LOT in common. They are both based absolutely essentially on something that`s force has been around forever and you can not escape from. Religion`s version is God. Science`s the atom. And science has it`s fair share of leaps. "Oh! There`s too much gravity!" We all know where this is going. Dark matter is science`s devil.
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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
    2284 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 6:24 pm
    I don`t really understand how people can think that something is equally absurd, but go with the one that makes them feel better.

    If you really think that, why not fence-sit until I can change your mind?

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    yessitsmesay Female 18-29
    14 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 6:25 pm
    holy poo you people are stupid. THIS GUY IS BEING VERY OBVIOUSLY SARCASTIC. If you think for one second and listen to what he`s actually saying, you`ll realize that he`s not serious. mannnnn
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    TomSFox Male 18-29
    732 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 6:25 pm
    Windrider15 wrote:
    "Hey greened

    Why dont ou look up some facts first

    Countless times ,thwe bible has been PROVEN right by your OH SO SPECIAL science

    Noah`s ark
    The Flood
    Niniva

    its all there"

    HAHAHAHAHA! In what parallel universe do you live?!

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    pillowpants Female 18-29
    107 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 6:26 pm
    oi vey.
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    guitarm252 Male 18-29
    9 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 6:27 pm
    Everyone says that Creationism has no scientific proof without giving scientific evidence against it. In fact evidence supporting Darwinism is growing ever more scarce. Here`s a thought: The second law of thermodynamics states that everything is constantly becoming more disordered and therefore losing energy. The only way the big bang could have happened would be if the particles that would have eventually collided would have had to always existed. But if that were the case then, due to entropy (2nd law)there would have been no energy for the particles to move, none-the-less react so violently as to create a universe.

    If you need more scientific evidence ask. I will be happy to oblige.

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    CaptainPat Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 6:34 pm
    adding to what guitarm252 said, i was told in school the big bang was cause when a bunch of gases combined together caused some sort of reaction. First of all, where did these gases come from in the first place, and the big empty space they were in had to come from somewhere too. even if the big bang did happen, how did the stuff that was there before the big bang get there? And most christians aren`t stupid like atheists say so only a small number number are. Most i went to a catholic school (i now go to a public school) and even there they told me the bible stories werent meant to be taken seriously but are suppose to be representative of something. IE the adam and eve story teaches us about sin.
    It is possible to believe in creationism as well as scientific fact too. Allot of atheists are really closed minded about that. (notice i said allot, not all)
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    Powernuke Male 13-17
    107 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 6:37 pm
    Minute-seven... all I could take of this evangelical dippoo
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    wowibrandon Male 13-17
    822 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 6:37 pm
    god didn`t create adam and. . .

    adam and. . .

    uhhh. . .

    lol

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    Overmann Male 18-29
    2600 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 6:45 pm
    "Everyone says that Creationism has no scientific proof without giving scientific evidence against it."

    We`re not obligated to provide evidence proving a negative, for no such thing exists. The burden of proof does not lie with those who say unsubstantiated views are rubbish, the burden of proof lies with the person making the claim. This is how science works.

    "The second law of thermodynamics..."

    ARGH ARGH ARGH NOT THIS ARGUMENT AGAIN ARGH ARGH ARGH.

    Excuse me. I`ve stated now, I`ve lost track precisely how many times, that the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics doesn`t contradict evolution or the Big Bang anymore than it contradicts life, which it doesn`t. If the 2nd Law in your definition were true, elements couldn`t bind and we wouldn`t be here right now. Hell, nothing would be here. My computer wouldn`t be in any sense of the word functional.

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    Monsdurr Male 13-17
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    February 15, 2008 at 6:48 pm
    Kekeke ^_^ SO kawaii how ppl try to prove how the universe began when it`s impossible to say ^____________________________^
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    Overmann Male 18-29
    2600 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 6:50 pm
    The 2nd Law of Thermodynamics should instead read that the flow of energy follows a spectrum from least stable to most stable. For a superficial analogy, your room is likely to become filthy the less energy you expend tidying up, but that doesn`t mean your dirty clothes will in any foreseeable future dissolve from matter into pure energy. If chemicals can become more stable by rearranging themselves or breaking and/or forming bonds, they will do so. In fact they do. Take the structure of methane, for instance. The carbon-hydrogen bonds not only move to an optimum distance of 109.5 degrees from each other, but they also hybridize, which is to say undergo an expenditure of energy to become more stable. Yes, methane actually *requires* energy to shape itself into a more stable form, a form that requires *less* energy than if it didn`t hybridize at all. Your interpretation of the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics has no basis in the natural world.
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    LoudIsGood Male 13-17
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    February 15, 2008 at 7:05 pm
    It was a satire, and not a very good one at that.
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    Jimmer1720 Male 18-29
    79 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 7:05 pm
    "Atheists say that the bible doesn`t exist.

    Oh yeah? Look at this! Checkmate!"

    First off, what a douchebag. Secondly, I`ve NEVER heard anyone say the bible doesn`t exist. I`ve heard them say the bible isn`t correct, or the bible doesn`t state anything logical, but not that it doesn`t exist.

    However if someone did say that the bible doesn`t exist, then the only logic behind that that I can see would be that they`re trying to say the ORIGINAL bible doesn`t exist, and it`s all written by a group of priests or something, then mass-produced and shipped to hotels all over N.A

    So by showing us a copy of a bible really doesn`t make you correct at all on #1.

    Checkmate Atheism, and it went all downhill for christans from there.

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    LBlues Male 18-29
    713 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 7:43 pm
    Was that guy a sarcastic athiest
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    gooberguy Male 13-17
    20 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 8:06 pm
    I find the fact that there are so any atheists on this site funny. I am a strong christian and it seems thats scarce on this site. You may try to drag us down by claiming there is no proof for Gods existence, but really, proof is all around us. Go ahead, try to prove us wrong by backing atheism up with science. Make fun off us, we don`t care. Us christians are measured by our faith in the Lord. I pray for atheists to find God everyday, because I actually care about others (what a change, isn`t it?) and do not want them to go to hell.
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    xp Male 30-39
    522 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 8:09 pm
    Wow is this guy an idiot or just pretending to be an idiot?
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    lizzy08 Female 18-29
    70 posts
    February 15, 2008 at 8:17 pm
    CaptainPat:
    Arguing for the existence of God by pointing out that science can only go back so far is pretty weak. Just because we don`t know exactly how the universe was created, or what came before it, doesn`t necessarily mean that God must have created it. It`s OK, and definitely reasonable, to be unsure about what happened billions of years ago.

    You can not know something, but admit that you don`t, and try to find out. Or you can not know something, but say you most definitely do, and mock anyone who strives for that knowledge instead of taking your word as fact. I prefer the former... seems more sane.

    For the record, I have nothing against Christianity. I`m not out to disprove God, I just think religions looking down on others for not believing their myths is nuts.

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    lizzy08 Female 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 8:23 pm
    Oh, and my post was entirely about the discussion. The video was retarded, and obviously fake... Though I have heard similar arguments from people who actually believed what was coming out of their mouths.
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    catbarf Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 8:31 pm
    "Mannn...Athiests: chill out, who cares if they believe in all that stuff? they`re not hurting anyone, atleast anymore. Your`e not going to change thier views just relax and accept that ok. It`s very comforting for some people. Just let them do as they may. Just enjoy life for what it is."

    I do recall Bush saying something to the effect of `God is on our side`. It`s still a problem when it`s affecting the thinking of our leaders.

    "And christians: Peace man, it`s your choice to belive in what you want, just actually follow the teachings of your religion, and don`t harm others and don`t be too preachy, it gets on peoples nerves. "

    The thing is, if they follow the teachings of their religion, they go on a killing spree.

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    catbarf Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 8:32 pm
    "I find the fact that there are so any atheists on this site funny. I am a strong christian and it seems thats scarce on this site. You may try to drag us down by claiming there is no proof for Gods existence, but really, proof is all around us. Go ahead, try to prove us wrong by backing atheism up with science. Make fun off us, we don`t care. Us christians are measured by our faith in the Lord. I pray for atheists to find God everyday, because I actually care about others (what a change, isn`t it?) and do not want them to go to hell."

    1. There is no proof whatsoever of God existing. Such idiotic claims of `The proof is all around you!1! ZOMG!!1!one!` are mindlessly sensationalistic at best. Do you mean beauty? Then in that case, God cannot exist, for there is much ugliness in the world as well. Do you mean human life? Then God cannot exist, for there is death as well. There is no proof.

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    catbarf Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 8:33 pm
    2. No atheist in the world is going to try and prove God false, he has no need to. The burden of proof is on YOU to explain why he does exist. Else, you might as well believe that God is a flying spaghetti monster since you can`t disprove it.

    3. Studies show that people who are told they are being prayed for do worse on testing. Piss off.

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    catbarf Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 8:36 pm
    As Epicurus said:
    Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
    Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
    Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
    Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?
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    PsychoSis11 Female 13-17
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    February 15, 2008 at 8:48 pm
    I think this guys a total moron and I`m Catholic (not a strict, crazy one, but a Catholic neverless). I do not want to pressure or force people into my religion. If you believe in God that`s fine and if you don`t that`s fine too. Why can`t we get along for five minutes!?!?
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    Adrift_Angel Female 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 8:52 pm
    The word checkmate just lost its meaning...
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    Nazarene Male 50-59
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    February 15, 2008 at 8:58 pm
    That was really sad. Some jerk playing a Christian, thinking he is funny..... Get a life.

    My evidence is more like this: I smoked an ounce of weed a week, 2 packs of cigarettes a day, alcohol every night, sex as often as possible, cocaine and whatever else I could find on occasion. I tried to quit but it was impossible for me to quit...Until I cried out to God. I have been clean for 7 years now. I have seen literally hundreds of prayers answered. (My aunt was cured from stage 4 cancer in her kidneys, liver, and one lung)
    www.stanmason.com

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    Nazarene Male 50-59
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    February 15, 2008 at 9:05 pm
    Answer for catbarf:
    God loves people enough to allow free will. We can make our own decisions. To force us to live a sinless life would amount to spiritual rape. God only wants love that is givwen freely.
    If God were to prevent all evil he would have to strike down the murderer before he murdered. But dishonesty is also evil. God would have to kill you if you decided to tell a lie. If a kid planned to cheat on a test in Jr. High school God would have to kill him to keep him from doing wrong. Do you really want him to prevent evil?
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    catbarf Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 9:05 pm
    Yeah, prayer is frequently answered Nazarene. Of course, amputees are never healed. Funny that.

    You could turn to the Pink Fluffy Cat Lord to quit your addictions, but that doesn`t make it any more real.

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    catbarf Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 9:07 pm
    "God loves people enough to allow free will. We can make our own decisions."

    Then how can he see the future?

    "God would have to kill you if you decided to tell a lie."

    Right, because the same God that answers prayer has only one way of dealing with people he dislikes: Instant Death.

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    catbarf Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 9:08 pm
    "To force us to live a sinless life would amount to spiritual rape. "

    And yet, somehow, if you do anything but lead a sinless life you go straight to hell. What a wonderful thought.

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    NegativeZero Male 13-17
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    February 15, 2008 at 9:09 pm
    I created an account here just to tell everyone I wrote a letter to the idiot> It is too long so it will be in three parts. Part 1: The first point was clever, I`ll give you that. But what Athiests mean is not whether it exists, but rather if it is true to every word printed in it. By the way, I`ve compared many Bibles, and not all of them are exactly the same to each other. People have scrambled the actual story of the Bible (if it`s even true) so much that the original story probably doesn`t go by the modern Bible. How can you say anything in it is true if the original Bible story was never recorded permanently? But you really need to back up your points with proof. I mean, "Prayer has a 100% success rate," what is that all about? I`ve prayed for a girlfriend for over five years, and since Christianity states that God loves everyone, why would he make me suffer through life without a special someone with whom I may enjoy life with?
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    NegativeZero Male 13-17
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    February 15, 2008 at 9:10 pm
    Part 2: Speaking of which, why does God, since He loves everyone, let unfair, unexpected, or undeserved deaths occur? Why does He take away innocent lives that he supposedly created, especially since HE loves everyone? And why does he love everyone, even those who have betrayed Him? Oh, and one more thing: A banana??? C`mon! There`s thousands of other fruit that have been created that aren`t fit for man`s grip, such as the pineapple. And the suggestive comment on the "other" thing man comfortably grips... Dude, that`s not right... P.S. Aren`t Christians supposed to worship God out of love and compassion, not fear? And are you saying that you and all Christians are against homosexuality? I, being an ex-Christian, am pro-homosexuality. Christianity never changed me from that and it never will.
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    NegativeZero Male 13-17
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    February 15, 2008 at 9:10 pm
    Part 3: Plus, you can`t simply say that YOU think Atheists are arrogant and not voice anyone else`s opinion; you especially can`t just say that and go "yep, God confirmed it!" Where`s the proof? You could be lying. Also, the definition of "man from dust" does not at all mean dust bunnies for lint. Go look it up more closely. Not only that but, you cannot simpy state Checkmate just because you think you`re point was good enough. More importantly, you didn`t even play a fair game there. What happened to Atheism and it`s chance to make some points. You didn`t even give or let anyone give ANY points to support Atheism. It was unjust and cheap. Just like you called every Atheist alive "dumb and deluded." Why don`t you criticize your own thinking before trying to offend others you don`t take kindly to.
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    catbarf Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 9:11 pm
    Hmm, so far it seems that Americans are the ones who fail to realize it`s a joke. Way to go NegativeZero.
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    NegativeZero Male 13-17
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    February 15, 2008 at 9:11 pm
    Please do not remark or reply to the three parts of my letter to this idiot guy.
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    catbarf Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 9:12 pm
    Laugh. Out. Loud. A little late there, buddy.
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    NegativeZero Male 13-17
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    February 15, 2008 at 9:12 pm
    just trying to make a point. This guy pi**es me off
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    NegativeZero Male 13-17
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    February 15, 2008 at 9:13 pm
    ya well you watch this thing too much and type too fast
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    catbarf Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 9:13 pm
    Because you`re barely intelligent enough to breathe.
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    NegativeZero Male 13-17
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    February 15, 2008 at 9:13 pm
    look I don`t know what your problem is but just leave me alone plz
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    Nazarene Male 50-59
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    February 15, 2008 at 9:14 pm
    HelloCatbarf... God doesn`t really kill people before they tell a lie. That was an answer for why evil exists.

    God has another way of dealing with people who do evil: He offered himself for them so that they could be cleansed and transformed into someone who doesn`t do evil things.

    And God doen`t "dislike" people. The message of Jesus is that God LOVES ALL PEOPLE. He came and endured torture to rescue people from the results of their wicked behavior.

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    NegativeZero Male 13-17
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    February 15, 2008 at 9:14 pm
    Look I don`t know what your problem is but just leave me alone plz
    (if this shows up twice my computer is retarded)
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    conoly123 Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2008 at 9:17 pm
    okay, im a devout Christian but this video is dumb.


    he just made Christians look like retards, didnt answer ANY of the questions properly.
    :/

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