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And we don`t how much the guy was speeding so you can`t say it was "slightly."
You are required to sign a citation when you are given one. It`s merely an acknowledgment of receipt. If you refuse, you can be arrested for refusing to obey a lawful order. It says plainly on the citation that it not an acknowledgment of guilt.
Judging by your age, you haven`t dealt enough with troopers to understand what they are really there for. Nor have you been driving long enough to understand the nuances of how it all works. I`m not age-bashing. Just saying you haven`t reached that point yet.
I like the part where he says he felt like his life was slipping away. That`s what it supposed to feel like! I`ve been hit twice with a Taser, both times willingly. The first one felt like I had been dosed with a paralyzing agent and burned with a lighter. The second time, I was ready for it, and it felt like my whole body was on fire. I could move a little bit, but not enough for it to have made any difference if I wanted to hurt anyone. And the barbs leave nice little burns where they touch your skin.
And the ones saying, "tasers could kill," should understand that just about any effort to subdue a suspect can kill. How about a neck fracture while being forced to the ground? Heart attack from being scared?
Just do what they say (within reason) and you wo
I`ll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you mis-spoke. Just because an officer tells you to do something does not make it lawful.
On to the video:First, the driver was incorrect in his assumption of his rights. He has to sign the citation saying that he received it. That`s all you need to sign it for.Secondly, if you watch the video, you`ll see the officer pulls the Taser and points it at the driver. That pretty much says "I`m going to use this if you don`t stop and do what I tell you. NOW!" The Taser was used after the guy reached into his pocket and turned around. That`s a perceived threat and worthy of a Tasering.Thirdly, if the guy has asked to see the radar gun, the officer has to comply (evidence of wrongdoing). If not, the ticket is invalid (personal experience).
if taser is the last choice are you saying a gun is more acceptable then a taser? the cop was not completly right here, but a taser is NON LETHAL force, so attempted murder is just ignorant you dumb ass. the chance to die from a taser is extremly low and the people that do are not usually in the best health condition, and shouldnt be challenging cops in the first place.
Tasing someone should be the last resort. This officer should be charged with attempted murder and thrown in jail for 10-20 with no chance for parole. This person should never work in law enforcement again once out of prison. Simple as that.
the first was an order, that you must do (and if you dont like it, you can sue/argue about it later in court) the second was a request that you may say "no" to. The problem is not alot of people really pay attention to wether or not they were asked or told something when it comes to cops.
and on a side note, its your responsibility as an american to know your dam rights, ignorance is not an excuse and is dam right disrespectful and if you get mistreated by a cop because you didn`t know then its your fault. put the dam xbox 360 controller down and read your dam rights! cause guess what? the cops already did.
There is no right side here, the driver was a stubborn idiot who didnt realise that the cop is not the one you argue your case to, thats what traffic court is for. The cop had many BETTER options then the taser, but was still not grossly unreasonable for choosing it. All you people who say the taser is brutal and horrible have obviously never been tased. I have. The pain doesnt even come from the electricity it comes from all your muscles clenching at once. Here is a little excercise for you. Clench your fist as HARD as you can, it hurts sure. Now let it go. Notice how fast the pain leaves? People dont fall to the ground from the pain, they fall cause they lost control of their muscles. Still for a speeding ticket it was a bit much.
conclusion? humans are all idio
IMHO all three of them are stupid idiots. I have to stop subjecting myself to these videos, because they made me very sad without really teaching me anything new - or giving me any ideas about how I could make things better.
A society of overgrown babies.
Cops have ONE authority. To inform you that they believe you have committed a crime, and that they will be filing the incident with the court, and to detain you until a you can be seen by a judge if you might be a threat to civilian safety or a risk of repeating the crime.
I never ONCE advocated giving cops any more authority than that. I only advocated that the idiots in this county started RESPECTING that authority for a dratin change.
@rhuggaWrongful or not, it never would have happened if you idiots hadn`t been doing something illegal. And I say good, I hope your little idiot pothead friends get in lots of trouble.
Do I say good because I think what the cop did was right? No, he obviously was in the wrong. And should be punished... doesn`t mean I cant enjoy a few potheads getting busted though. :)
Ohh, and 95% of the public doesn`t hate cops, 95% of ignorant teenage failures hate cops.
I don`t know if the taser has worked its way into the police academy yet. In not, I`m sure it won`t be long (if the tasers stick around) before they are. I do know that while the taser company does not require that a person be tased, it`s usually the departments policy to require that.
Those things are required so the officer has a respect for what he uses. Odd, since the officer is not required to take a beating with a baton, or take a shot from a .40 cal to respect those things.
Also let`s not forget... it`s not against the law for them to use the taser. In fact, usually their department policy tells them when to use their taser.
Cop: "Now I`m gonna need you to sign this ticket."Me: "Of course, I was speeding after all."Cop: "Have a nice day sir."Me: "Heh, Ill try."
Version 2 (disagree):
Cop: "Now I`m gonna need you to sign this ticket."Me: "Alright, but just to let you know I disagree with this ticket, and will be challanging this in court"Cop: *shrug* "Fine, thats your right sir."
Version 3 (STRONGLY disagree):Cop: "Now I`m gonna need you to sign this ticket."Me: (deciding to be a drating idiot that thinks cops are judges) "No, I ain`t signing anything."Cop: "Sir, step out of the vehicle."Me: *I step out and start walking around behind the cop like a drating moron*Cop: "Turn around, put your hands behind your back!"Me: "Oh snap, you got a dratin tazer!" *i stop what I`m doing and foll
Sure, maybe there are some cops who are better than others. But, if those so called "good cops" don`t do anything to stop the bad ones, then why should anyone care if a cop gets beaten up or killed?
It`s just part of the job..
I can`t wait till you get pulled by an non-nice individual cop who will haze you. I talked to a cop that is actually proud of that. His favorite was when he pulled over a guy, told him to jog in place with his arms straight out (for a sobriety test) and his eyes closed, until told to stop. Then he got back in his cruiser, drove into a cafe across the street and sat there drinking coffee, watching the guy for 10 minutes. Oh how I wish it would be you!
Not only did they police not follow procedure, then lie, but the judge didn`t follow California law and procedure either. I know that appeals were filed but I never heard the results.
The most anyone got out of the entire ordeal was a $300 fine but still, it doesn`t give the cops the right to break the law themselves, and illegally enter a private residence. This isn`t Riyahd, this is the United States of America.
That would be a great way to protest all of this police brutality.
Police action is getting ridiculous.
F.U.C.K. them. Who cares if they die?
One thing I didnt mention these were mostly grad students, at Cal, which also included the wife of a San Francisco DISTRICT ATTOURNEY. Yes we were all lying. (who refused to support us for obvious reasons)
Its negative attitudes like yours like pave the way for so much corruption in law enforcement.
Yea, we all know cops, who have little beyond a high school diploma, don`t lie. Its the hard working graduate students keeping to themselves in their locked apartment that lie. yea, that makes sense.
No punishment what so ever.
Actually, sh*it for brains, I`m gladly not from your violence-addicted country. But I`m gonna try to stay positive and believe you`re only part of a very loud and obnoxious minority that thinks that talking really tough in anyway compensates for their one inch penis. Why don`t you just go buy yourself a sports car and leave the talking to the grown-ups, ok?
And why do you think the problems are following this guy everywhere he goes? Myself, I have NEVER had a problem with cops. Why, you ask? Because I don`t do anything wrong, that`s why! I`m 31 years old, and I`ve been pulled over 4 times. Sure, you can say it`s because of where I live, but guess what... I hear people from my home town talk about being stopped, ticketed, or arrested all the time. Their claim... crooked cops. Hmmm... wonder why that is...
I`ve seen cases thrown out left and right for unlawful searc
That said, the alleged offender came off as an idiot. The cop in the video, which doesn`t capture anything in full-context, seemed quick to escalate. Maybe he had valid reasons; I don`t know.
But I do know that if I pulled someone over who became argumentative and uncooperative, I`d be cautious too. If you think the officer should have known the guy he pulled over wasn`t going to attempt to produce a weapon you got another think coming. In the real world people don`t always furrow their brows, froth at the mouth, verbalize threats, or otherwise give clues physical violence will begin in 3, 2, 1.
At no time, including the girl that answered the door, were the cops invited in. No gestures were made that could have been interpreted as an invitation. These cops just decied to do what they wanted, when they wanted, and then lied to cover their asses.
And cops wonder why 95% of the public hates them.
I F U C K I N G HATE COPS.
Im at a college party. Weed is being smoked (as is in 90% of the parties in California). This apartment is on the 9th floor, the only window that is open leads to a central ventilation shaft that can`t be accessed by people. A cop knocks on the door (which was also chained shut inside) and a girl opens the door w/o openning the chain. The cops says "Open the door NOW" in a loud authorative manner. So she does. As the cop starts to step thru the doorway, the owner comes to the front and immediately says "Out, you have not been invited in my house, you are not welcome here". The cops ignore him and proceed immediately to the back room (where the tv/stereo and most of the party goers were) Subsequently several people were arrested for possesion of marijuana. Weeks later an attourney hired to look into the matter obtained all the reports and documentation associated witht the bust. Right there in plain english the cops told their superiors they were invi
The officer`s entire attitude is summed up by `I though "I`m not playing this game any more"`, as though he just couldn`t be bothered to do anything else. He could have just walked over to the guy and stopped him getting in his car, and if necessary he could easily have restrained him. Someone said earlier that being tasered is more humane than that - I know what I`d prefer...
Why was he even telling the guy to get on the floor and pointing the taser at him in the first place? He should have instructed without threat, and/or cuffed him against th
During a busy day on the beach a fight broke out on one end of the boardwalk in Pacific Beach. Cops showed up via car, bycicle, and four wheelers. As the cops search for the perps, another man jumps on the four wheeler and drives it into the surf and runs down the beach. An innocent bystander runs to try and save the four wheeler, and low and behold cops throw this man to the ground and vilnetly handcuff all while 50 bystanders are telling them his wasn`t the guy, he was tying TO HELP. 1) Why did they throw him to the ground and violently handcuff him without issuing A SINGLE GOD DAMN instruction to the man. They didn`t say "Freeze" or "Lay Down" or "Halt your under arrest" they just violently throw him down, in front of his wife and kids, and looks liked total hyper-active unprofessional bumbling idiots. Even 30 minutes later, trying to save face, these cops still have this poor man in handcuffs in front of hundreds of people, including h
San Diego, CA: An off duty police officer got "scared" in a dark alley and shot a San Diego Charger linebacker like 7 times. A prominent member of the community with no record at all.
My sister and her husbands are cops in Kansas City and they tell me how cops let other cops get away with speeding and DUI`s on an almost weekly basis. Total horsepoo.
Its time for cops to be made to follow the rules and regulations like every other citizen.
I personally cant drating stand cops. I hate them. Im tired of getting harassed, vehicle searched, etc.. all w/o provication. Im a working professional with a graduate degree from Cal, Im always respectfull to cops but time and time again I find myself getting harassed and illegally searched in California.
I`m flat drating tired of cops thinking they are above the law
He was told he was under arrest and to put his hands behind his back. He didn`t. So, do you think it would have been dangerous to grab the guy and fight him on the side of the highway?
*stands and applauds*
"Better yet, let`s live in fear of being shot on any traffic stop."
Alright, you are retarded. You`re the exact type of idiot I was talking about. You seem to think that cops are drating judges.
Of course, lets also consider what qualifications one needs to become a cop. A high school diploma, average physical shape and citizenship? A few months of training? And lets not forget that a dangerous job with comparably low compensation attracts only the best and the brightest. And no, they`re not human and never make mistakes or take advantage of their authority!
Seriously, let`s just become zombies and refuse to challenge authority. Better yet, let`s live in fear of being shot on any traffic stop.
"If everyone would just do what cops tell them to, cops wouldn`t carry any weapons ever!"
Let`s give them absolute power and hope they`re not corrupted! Seriously!
If he`s not in danger, he doesn`t get to use it. Tazer is NOT a tool for compliance, it`s a non-lethal tool of defense!
As horrifying as that sounds, guess what? The fact still remains, if everyone followed cop`s orders, no one would get shot even under my rule.
And if idiots like the guy in this video knew that that was an option, they would be FAR less likly to disobey in the first place.
When you coddle anything, it flourishes, even ignorance.
WhY WHY WHY WHY WHY?!??!?! Do so many drating morons (like this guy) out there believe that cops are drating judges? Why the drating hell would you try to argue the validity of the speeding ticket with the cop?!?! Its like getting into a screaming match with your mailman because you don`t agree with your drating phone bill!
If everyone would just do what cops tell them to, cops wouldn`t carry any weapons ever!
Maybe if you`re Bruce drating Lee! Are you drating retarded? Do you honestly thing that the job of a cop is to bring exciting UFC action to your car door? No moron. I`m sorry that you don`t give a drat about the safety of our law enforcers, but some people do.
A cop`s job isn`t to roam the streets looking for people who do things that cop personally doesn`t like, and then challenging them to a dratin duel to decide weather or not the cops beliefs are to be upheld.
There is law. Cops look for people not following the law. If they find one, the cop is to either issue a citation or detain them to be judged by a *gasp* judge at a latter time.
IF YOUR DUMB ASS DOES NOT FOLLOW THE ORDERS OF THE COP TO THE dratING LETTER, THEN YOU GET FORCED TO. End of drating story.
Makes me want to smack patridiot upside the head. Why do you say that? because only one of them can be wrong? Look back a page and read the story behind this. By UHP`s own admission, they`re only authorized to use tasers when a person is a danger to himself or others.
Cops DON`T have any right to taser you for walking in the opposite direction. There was nothing in the driver`s demeanor that would suggest he was or was becoming violent.
I`m not making any excuse for the driver acting stupid (look a few posts above), but...
The cop is a power-corrupted non-nice individual. His real gripe was that the driver was not doing exactly as told. Instead of explaining about challenging a ticket in traffic court.Read about what power does to people:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_pr...
rule #2: Don`t be a prick. The squeaky wheel may get the grease at WalMart. Use your brain and realize the cop isn`t trying to earn your business. Be nice to the cop, don`t give a lame excuse, and you may just get a warning.
rule #3: Do what the cop tells you to do. He/she doesn`t know you from Adam and his/her #1 priority is to go home at the end of the shift. There is no room for assumption when their life may be on the line. Expect them to use force or taser if you resist their commands.
The cop did nothing wrong in this video. The driver, however, was a classic textbook moron.
I`ve met some prick officers, this isn`t one of them.
In the original case Miranda was arrested for rape and confessed while in custody. However, he was not aware of his right to remain silent, and the case was thrown out of court. Now, Miranda rights are a requirement before any interrogation. The reason they are usually read at the time of arrest, is because it is not uncommon for a perp to make incriminating statements before an interrogation.
On the situation itself: the driver is legally at fault for disobeying instructions. He does not realize that the cop already made up his mind about his guilt, which is why he was pulled over, so arguing is pointless. He should sign the ticket and contest it in traffic court.
The cop obviously exceeded reasonable force and should suffer the consequences.
Don`t think an officer is pointing the taser at you to show you his new toy. He`s going to use it if you don`t listen.
As pointed out, reading someone their rights is done when questioning them. "You have the right to remain silent..." Doesn`t have anything to do with being arrested.
It`s scary how people will shout out what they "know" to be the law, and be completely wrong. Too many people get their law degree from Law & Order or CSI.
Hmmm... That guy is being very melodramatic about the situation. What a puss if that really was the scariest thing in his life! Ah well... The guy was a dick and the cop was a little to fast on the draw, but that`s just me. Oh and for those of you who say how horrible it is for the cop to teaser an "unarmed man" should become a cop. You see how many people are "unarmed" when you arrest them. How was the cop suppose to know he was unarmed or getting his gun or whatever? Being a cop is a dangerous job and I would rather see an office kill someone then vise-versa.
Are you aware that cops are allowed to lie to you and tell you all kinds of things in order to get you to confess? Always telling what the cop says can get you into more trouble than you were if you`d just shut up.
When the cop tells you to put your hands on the car or gives you a reasonable command, dont turn your back on the officer and walk away. If he`s holding a damn tazer at you, you stop and do as he asks.
He only has the tazer for his safety. There are traffic stops that go like this and end up in murder.
That would suck. Lol.
See my previous comment. It`s not.
I even linked to the paragraph so you wouldn`t have to read the article.
All he was doing was asking and by law the officer has to respond how fast he was going...
AND...he didn`t warn him before he was about to taser him.
They get their pay from us, they should respect us way more than that. They are public servants.
Seriously, don`t give people legal advice when you don`t know what you`re on about.
WRONG. Flat out wrong.
Source:"However, police are only required to warn an individual whom they intend to subject to custodial interrogation at the police station, in a police vehicle or when detained. Arrests can occur without questioning and without the Miranda warning"
Tasering it not necessary humane at all. It can be quite lethal. What if the man had something such as a pacemaker? Or if the taser had caused a heart attack or seizure? If the man had attacked him or begun resisting than I can see how this would be legitimate, but I did not see him begin any physcial altercation begin. Being pissy with someone is not a good enough reason to taser someone. And because he tasered and attempted arrest without a reading of the man`s rights the case could be well be dropped and the man allowed to sue the department.
One stupid cop injures an entire squadron because of his own idiocy.
Ohh and F.U.C.K. CENSORSHIP while I`m at it.
This actually reminds me of a post I made earlier...every word of it can be used in this video as well.
i think the guy being tasered was not to unreasonable. he should stayed out of the car and not move around. but the cop didn`t warn him or read him his rights.the whole thing could be dropped now.
If the officer had to follow you for a quarter-mile or more until you noticed him in your rearview mirror, he may be unhappy. You were guilty of "contempt of cop," which happens when you don`t do whatever it is an officer wants you to do. Regardless, it is not a good idea for you to act in a similar manner.
Source 1:The traffic ticket contains an actual notice to you of a pending court date at which you must appear. By signing the ticket, you are providing an acknowledgment of receipt of the "notice to appear." Since the officer is charging you with a violation of law, he could take you into custody.... It is better to sign the traffic ticket and go about your business pending the court date. By signing the traffic ticket, you remain free and retain the right to show up at the hearing to contest the issuance of the citation or summons.
A person is free to refuse to sign the traffic ticket; however, the police officer is free to place him/her under arrest and take him/her into custody.
If I were the guy, I would sue the state for $100 million.
I HOPE SOMEBODY SHOOTS HIM!!
THIS IS WHY ALL COPS SHOULD DIE !!
Incidentally Quedas, most cops in the states are TASERED as part of their training so they know/understand what it feels like.
You can argue your case in traffic court, there`s no reason to be a bitch to the traffic cop and give him a hard time. Incidentally, it`s not like most people, or the police dept, or even he himself felt he was doing anything wrong. It`s his own videotape and he knows it`s running.
It`s not unreasonable force if there`s no less force he could use, and quite frankly at that stage he had a choice of becoming physical or tasering the guy. Tasering is the more humane of the two.
Anyway, the taser was designed to prevent physical combat.
From the very beginning, the driver was "asking for it". Why argue with the officer? Oh yeah, because he`s an idiot.
Also, the officer did not do a good job of explaining what was going on. "Going a little fast, huh" and "Sir, I monitored you driving 55 (or whatever) in a 40 mph zone" is not the same thing. The second tells the guy excatly why he`s being stopped.
I don`t know about Utah, but where I live, people don`t have to legally sign a speeding ticket. Now, if it was Reckless Driving, yes, they do, but not speeding. If he could take the guy to jail over not signing the ticket, he should have attempted to explain that before getting him out of the car. (Not that the driver would have listened)
Lastly, the officer was WAY to quick on pulling the taser. "Johnny Two-Tokes" should know that the taser was designed t
By the way, the speeding ticket was not `alleged.` The matter of whether he was actually speeding was alleged. The ticket was more than real.
"America, your freedom is slipping away."
You guys have terrible, terrible cops.
This guy will probably be given leave with pay. Or a slap on the wrist.
"I am pointing this at you so that should you not follow the command I am giving while pointing this at you, I will fire it" "Oh poo I thought you were just holding it at me".
RESPECT MY AUTHORATAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!