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Date: 11/16/07 02:20 AM

83 Responses to Robert Dziekanski Tasered in Canadian Airport

  1. Profile photo of Devin88
    Devin88 Male 18-29
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    November 15, 2007 at 8:37 pm
    Link: Robert Dziekanski Tasered in Canadian Airport - Don`t Tase Me, eh?
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    missaquafina Female 18-29
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    November 16, 2007 at 2:24 am
    he died from it

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    FIRST_poster Male 18-29
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    November 16, 2007 at 2:25 am
    i didnt understnd what happened here
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    LordJonathan Male 70 & Over
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    November 16, 2007 at 2:27 am
    I was just going to say I heard on the news it killed him.

    I bet he evacuated his bowels. :-D

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    FIRST_poster Male 18-29
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    November 16, 2007 at 2:28 am
    that snot funnyto see someone being tazered to death!!!
    this is unnecessary
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    AKappy Male 18-29
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    November 16, 2007 at 2:28 am
    I feel like "don`t tase me" is an ineffective way to avoid being tased.

    Is it just me, or does every anonymous person behind a camera in situations like this sound exactly the same?

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    WDanC Male 18-29
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    November 16, 2007 at 2:37 am
    It is the same guy. It`s the tase muse.
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    _Mouse_ Female 18-29
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    November 16, 2007 at 2:39 am
    That`s terrible. Did they just tase him because they couldn`t understand him? If he could`ve spoken english and told them why he was acting the way he was acting maybe they wouldn`t have.

    Maybe they would have.

    And what was that women saying in the beginning?

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    jebler Male 18-29
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    November 16, 2007 at 2:48 am
    its hard to tell thru the glare on the glass but it looked like he had something in his hand and he wasnt cooperating with them. even if you dont skeep the same language its easy to tell that someone is a police officer no matter what European country you may be in. the same for english speeching countrys around the world. this reminds me of a link from some time back. let me find it...
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    Nidonemo Male 18-29
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    November 16, 2007 at 2:50 am
    According to the report it was his first (but unfortunately, last) flight.

    <i>Robert Dziekanski, 40, went on a rampage on October 14 after arriving on a flight from Germany and waiting for 10 hours for his mother. He died minutes after the police action.</i>

    Rampage? ...more like a temper fit. Hardly a rampage.

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    bigthemat Male 18-29
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    November 16, 2007 at 2:51 am
    It was a stapler. One news report I read said he "held a stapler in a threatening manner" so they killed him.

    Guns don`t kill people. Irrational cops with tasers do.

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    jebler Male 18-29
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    November 16, 2007 at 2:52 am
    cant find it on iab but it was in a link at some point.

    i still laugh every time i think about that. even tho its fake and it has no meaning.

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    lilpunk1302 Male 13-17
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    November 16, 2007 at 2:54 am
    Ok well lemme clear some things up.
    1. This happened at Vancouver International Airport in Vancouver, BC, Canada
    2. He DID die
    3. This was a Polish man trying to immigrate into Canada
    4. The actual reasoning for the tazer is very odd, here`s what happened(from what I`ve been able to piece together, no one seems to be stating the whle story)

    So this man gets upset at something, calls the police(CLEARLY, there`s a recording of him calling the police for some reason) a couple seconds/minutes later, he starts getting pissed off, one thing leads to another and he`s surrounded by 4 armed RCMP officers(RCMP = Federal cops, not local)
    Now by this point there are dozens of possibilities as to what the cops can do, they can negotiate, they can tackle him if needed.
    And yet...
    Yet they decide to tazer him.

    I`ll say that again, 4 cops surrounding an unarmed man(who seems a little to big to be able to fight back too effectively) and they decide to tazer...

    Questions welco

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    Berserk505 Male 18-29
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    November 16, 2007 at 2:54 am
    This makes me angry just watching this...

    What ever happened to the good ol` days when the boys in blue (this case white and black) would just use force without these stupid gadgets. Now it seems that they`re anxious to use this "taser" on just about anyone. Don`t they understand that the amount of electricity in one of those suckers can cause cardiac arrest or many more symptoms to people with heart problems? There were alternatives to solving this matter but it seems that the taser is just another quick and easy way to handle matters now a days. Makes me want to scream "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    LordJonathan Male 70 & Over
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    November 16, 2007 at 3:11 am
    Using pepper spray should be implemented first and if that has no effect then possibly the taser.

    Oh and another thing why do people have a hard time spelling taser? I know it sounds like it should have a Z in it but it doesn`t.

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    Zerocyde Male 18-29
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    November 16, 2007 at 3:11 am
    Ohh great, another tazer video. Now all I`m gonna hear for the next fudgein week is; "OMG COPZ R EVIL LOL THEY SHUD ALL DIE LOL I HAT THEM!"

    It`s fudgein easy being an armchair human rights advocate isn`t it? Get off your ass? Goto school? Become an engineer? Design a safer tazer? Become a politician? Make some changes?

    No drat that, cops are just evil, lets kill them all, then the world will be a lot better.

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    Harkannin Male 18-29
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    November 16, 2007 at 3:16 am
    Did that one cop on the right hit him with a billy-club after he was tasered and pinned down?
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    bigthemat Male 18-29
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    November 16, 2007 at 3:27 am
    nah, it is one of those extendo batons. you gotta smack em on the ground so they, um, well, they don`t fold. i am tired and can`t think of the opposite of telescoping. does this make any sense?
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    teatimecream Female 60-69
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    November 16, 2007 at 3:51 am
    The Southpark Canada song is running through my mind now...
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    Harkannin Male 18-29
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    November 16, 2007 at 4:02 am
    Oh, I see. Thanks bigthemat.
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    punk1n Male 18-29
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    November 16, 2007 at 5:25 am
    So who was talking sht to Americans for using tasers in that one other video?)-|
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    beng_uk Male 30-39
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    November 16, 2007 at 5:42 am
    Yay snuff video on i-am-bored!
    Ya do know the guy is dead at the end of this for you entertainment?
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    Eichenkatze Male 18-29
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    November 16, 2007 at 6:00 am
    Thats just wrong. Didn`t seem like he was doing anything at all. He jumped when they first fired it, and then realized what was going on, moved to get away and they fired another round at him which got him and then from there it got worse. Poor guy, f*cking airport rent-a-cop security.
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    yankee15 Male 30-39
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    November 16, 2007 at 8:19 am
    Don`t taze me comrade!
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    kongen Male 18-29
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    November 16, 2007 at 9:22 am
    F u c k this...
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    patchouly Male 40-49
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    November 16, 2007 at 9:38 am
    beng_uk is right. This is a snuff film. You have just watched a guy die. Thanks IAB, great way to start my day...

    By the way beng_uk, is that a Timex Sinclair in your avatar?

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    Lorah Female 18-29
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    November 16, 2007 at 9:54 am
    why is this on here ? :S
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    November 16, 2007 at 10:08 am
    Well that`s sickening! The cops gave him like 10 seconds before they blasted him. The shocked him for far longer than the 5 seconds you`re supposed to not exceed, then with 3 guys on top of him they blast him again?
    Much as I support the RCMP and acknowledge that they have a hard time of it & often find themselves in dangerous situations, this guy was clearly no threat to anyone! They didn`t even attempt to find a translator? They didn`t ask the people gathered if anyone knew him?
    Sad but true, those 4 cops deserve jail, this was murder... And the 2 security guys urgently need to be fired.
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    nodar Male 18-29
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    November 16, 2007 at 10:59 am
    if i was a cop id tazer the poo out of people every chance i got.
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    fancylad Male 30-39
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    November 16, 2007 at 12:32 pm
    patchouly: doesn`t there have to be sex involved for it to be a snuff film?
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    SpoonFork Male 30-39
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    November 16, 2007 at 12:48 pm
    I heard the reporters on one station say they were looking into the cause of death. Huh?! How about being tazered, numbnuts?
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    pinker Female 18-29
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    November 16, 2007 at 1:17 pm
    I can`t believe someone put this on a webside for amusment. This happend just an hour away from where i live, an airport I use. This isn`t amusing, it`s horrifying.
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    beng_uk Male 30-39
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    November 16, 2007 at 2:12 pm
    "A snuff film, or snuff movie, depicts the actual killing of a human being - a human sacrifice (without the aid of special effects or other trickery) perpetrated for the medium of film for the purpose of entertainment and distribution."

    And yes patchouly its a ZX81 as sold in the UK in erm 1981 ;)

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    BubbaLuvSpon Male 30-39
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    November 16, 2007 at 2:18 pm
    As someone pointed out... it`s TASER! Actually, T.A.S.E.R. Thomas A. Smith Electric Rifle. I just wanted people to know that I knew that.

    I was once all for the taser being used. I`ve been tased, and I`ve seen many people tased. The more I hear about people dropping dead after being tased is starting to make me wonder. I think it`s time to put the tasers away and get back to some good `ole fist-a-cuffs! I was always more of a "hands-on" kind of guy anyway.

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    Nidonemo Male 18-29
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    November 16, 2007 at 3:01 pm
    Guys, it wasn`t until someone posted a link to the news story that we knew what it was.
  36. Profile photo of Devin88
    Devin88 Male 18-29
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    November 16, 2007 at 3:33 pm
    Hey, when I posted this, I said something more serious. I am bored then decides to try and make it funny by putting a Canadian stereotype as a description instead. I posted this link to bring the world more aware of the Police and RCMP that abuse their power (police brutality, etc).. not to have people laugh or say "well f this". Pinker, I am feeling the same as you. This a shocking, ridiculous and unnecessary use of a taser gun.
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    redawn Female 50-59
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    November 16, 2007 at 4:27 pm
    now you all have to ask yourself. . .what will you do if you see it happen in front of you.

    Will you speak up? Help your fellow human? Or capture the torture on video. . .What would you want someone to do for you or yours?

    I think it is important that light is shed on this and if that means it is up on the net. . .I would hope somewhere it helps someone. . .

    peace by peace, Dawn

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    tundralost Female 18-29
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    November 16, 2007 at 6:00 pm
    Who is running this site?? immature frat boys I think.
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    PayN8tention Male 18-29
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    November 16, 2007 at 6:24 pm
    Why did the guy start taping in the first place, and why was he giggling before anything actually happened is what I want to know....
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    Xomb13 Female 18-29
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    November 16, 2007 at 6:26 pm
    Shows how stupid police can be
    They taser someone because they can`t understand them
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    itsgalf Male 18-29
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    November 16, 2007 at 6:27 pm
    IAB: I thought you`re not supposed to show videos that end in death?
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    wyrwich Male 18-29
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    November 16, 2007 at 6:43 pm
    This is F***iNG terrible. This guy was speaking another language so instead of trying to calm him down and call an interpreter, they tasered him. Police F***iNG brutality. Police are a corrupt system, too many of them get away with too much. I know there are some good cops, and i respect them. But you get people who think they are above the law. It`s bulls**t. F**K the Police!
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    PayN8tention Male 18-29
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    November 16, 2007 at 7:00 pm
    Zerocyde- I won`t even try to take your post seriously. If you do happen to read this, try reading that one line just above your post. Ya, that`s pretty sad. What is even more sad is that it`s been nearly 600 posts for you, and you still haven`t grasped the concept of the swear filter.

    kongan- The swear filter isn`t a fun little obstacle IAB put there so you can bypass it. You get warned which leads to banning. Just thought you might care to know that seeing that you don`t look like a spammy alter (judging by an actual avy and the 84 posts)

    beng, patchouly, pinker- The video isn`t under the catagory of entertainment. It`s under News & Politics. So no, this video wasn`t intended to be entertaining.

    Bubbla- T.A.S.E.R. Thomas A. Smith Electric Rifle. Hmm, I never knew that stood for something. That`s kinda cool :-D. Thanks

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    cybercow Male 30-39
    106 posts
    November 16, 2007 at 7:10 pm
    The guy was having a psychotic attack. Instead of just grabbing him and slapping handcuffs on, they felt the need to use weapons on him.

    There were three of them, and he was unarmed. They could have just arrested him and taken him to a hospital for evaluation.

    Cops these days are too trigger happy.

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    CheesyQueso Female 18-29
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    November 16, 2007 at 8:07 pm
    if he hadnt died so many people would be like good he deserved to be tased
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    Itsdude56 Male 13-17
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    November 16, 2007 at 9:43 pm
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    powpowking Male 13-17
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    November 16, 2007 at 10:34 pm
    Why settle with a tazer...lets use blunt objects next time..and then slowly scalp him...and eat his bowels..YAY!!! GO LAW AND SECURITY ENFORCEMENT!!! because they are all like
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    kodkilla Male 18-29
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    November 16, 2007 at 11:26 pm
    I`m getting sick and tired of people badmothing police officer! They put thier life on the line to protect us and themselves! But a lot of you people here say "I hate cops..." "Cops are gay..." Ect... Those people desever so much respect, that it sickens me to hear/read this crap! A example of what would be as so: A police office - I`m pretty sure it was in Phx,AZ, which is where I live - got shot and killed, because he was stopping a J-walker. The man who shot him was an illegal alien, who was in a gang by the way, who didn`t want to be deported AGAIN! You people here would say, "Thank God that cop was shot!" or "He deserved it!" and that pisses me off! To the video: Maybe it`s just me, but didn`t the guy have something in his hand when the police showed up? I can`t tell and I don`t want to reload the video.
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    nursesue Female 30-39
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    November 16, 2007 at 11:59 pm
    I Live in Vancouver and I SUPPORT the RCMP!! They were protecting the public, they have a job to do. He was clearly psychotic and unprecitable, hence DANGEROUS. I work in corrections, and when someone like him who is clearly threatening and hostile, it can take 7 people to safetly restrain. They did what they thought was safe to do, now, lets say they did not, and then he injuyed, maimed, killed one of them or a civilian, then you would all be saying why did the police not do anything. The police are highly trained in these situraitons, and they handled it with integrity, safely and I APPLAUD them
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    pat125 Male 18-29
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    November 17, 2007 at 12:36 am
    Stupid American police with their brutality and trigger-happy use of a taser...oh wait..
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    Boadicea Female 18-29
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    November 17, 2007 at 1:24 am
    nursesue: I hope that if you`re ever in a foreign airport and confused/disoriented/whatever, that some highly trained police taser YOU safely and with integrity. And when you die, I`m sure many people will applaud them for their heroic efforts. You sadden me.
    Supporting the RCMP is one thing, but supporting people who needlessly killed somebody with unnecessary force just because they happen to be RCMP is another.
    Support the cops who are actually doing their jobs with integrity. I hope these ones are sent to jail.
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    nursesue Female 30-39
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    November 17, 2007 at 4:08 am
    Sorry Boadicea, where you there? DId you see what happened? I hve travelled all over the world, and been to many forgien airports, and if I was screaming and threatening I would expect the police to restrain me, and I did not comply, further action would have to be taken. And, FYI, people do not DIE from tasers, if they did, we would be hearing about numerous deaths, he apparently had a medical complication or was high on drugs. Again, I stand up for the police they risk their lifes everyday to PROTECT YOU! Terrorism, crime and gang activity is rampid, they had to take action and GOOD FOR THEM!! GREAT JOB VANCOUVER RCMP, AGAIN,YOU ARE HEROS
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    Bajatar Female 40-49
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    November 17, 2007 at 4:28 am
    Welcome to Democracy 2.0. "Non-lethal" weapons usually don`t kill but they sometimes do. They`re the perfect tool of oppression nowadays: sanctioned by governments yet lethal enough to prevent people from opposing officials. Would you want to risk getting tasered and killed if you`d helped him? They might as well play russian roulette with a gun pointing at you.
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    BadTr8s Male 30-39
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    November 17, 2007 at 5:24 am
    The man trashed a TV. He then picked up a chair waved it around and proceeded to smash things up. Are those the actions of a reasonable man waiting for an interpreter? Even if I spoke Polish, I would have steered clear from that guy.

    Security communicated his tirade when requesting backup, so officers on scene already knew that they were dealing with a dangerous man. Yes a man who smashe TVs and throw chairs is dangerous. Imagine if that guy threw a chair and it hit a baby?

    When the officers confronted him, hands on holsters, arms outstretched, the man could be seen completely ignoring them. I understand that there was a language barrier, but if I went to Polish Airport, smashed a T.V. and a chair, and 4 Polish cops surrounded me with hands on their holsters, I’d stop and put my hands up whether I understood them or not.

    The man was uncooperative and dangerous to other people. It’s unfortunate that he died, but the police acted well within their limits.

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    Neagle Male 30-39
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    November 17, 2007 at 7:39 am
    NOTE: Don`t throw a hissy b_itch fit in an airport, period.
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    mrtatulas Male 18-29
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    November 17, 2007 at 9:58 am
    While I don`t disagree that the man was being irrational, I think the whole situation was handled poorly. Surrounding him like the four policemen did is the most threatening thing they could possibly have done. No doubt pointing the gun at him didn`t help either. And really, the use of a taser is a huge responsibility, the policemen were well aware that there was a risk involved in using it (or they shouldn`t be allowed to use one). They should have turned off the current as soon as he hit the ground, and they should`ve checked his heart rate. I think cops should definitely have extensive training including some medical training before they are allowed to use these weapons which are in my opinion deadlier than an actual gun in the sense that no matter where the person is hit he has a chance of dying. Way too unpredictable. 300 people is it now? That`s enough to warrant the taser`s retirement, hell, 1 death would`ve been enough.
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    mrtatulas Male 18-29
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    November 17, 2007 at 10:02 am
    Also, working at an international airport, I think people should be a little bit more knowledgeable, enough to know that polish sounds way different from russian, enough to know that the word "passport" means the same thing in nearly every language, enough to know that travel to a new place can be very stressful, especially if you can`t speak the language. The police took action way too soon.

    That being said, I wonder what the guy was going to do with all those chairs. And why did his mom not show up for 10 HOURS?!

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    mrtatulas Male 18-29
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    November 17, 2007 at 10:06 am
    Oh, and, I`m pretty damn sure this wouldn`t have happened before 9/11.

    Nursesue: Give that a read...

    (That article was posted last year... I believe that number has doubled since then)

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    mrtatulas Male 18-29
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    November 17, 2007 at 10:08 am
    haha, I just read your entire post, nursesue. "High on drugs"? "Terrorism"? IN VANCOUVER? Please. This was unnecessary use of force, other actions could`ve been taken to defuse the situation. Even if he had not died, this would`ve been bad enough. He was obviously frightened and confused.
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    Devin88 Male 18-29
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    November 17, 2007 at 10:47 am
    The guy did see when the four officers walked in, and he kind of shruged his shoulders in defeat. They advances on him, he backed up, and they tasered him. All he wanted to do was see his poor mother! She told him to wait at the baggage claim, and he did, but she forgot to tell him to go out the doors, and he literally waited there for ten hours.
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    Devin88 Male 18-29
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    November 17, 2007 at 10:48 am
    I don`t know, but if I were stranded in a country in which I couldn`t speak the language, I would not know what I would do.
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    Overmann Male 18-29
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    November 17, 2007 at 3:32 pm
    This is vastly inappropriate. Why was the footage of an imminent death posted here on IAB? I remember having similar complaints about the footage of a criminal being shot by a sniper, which was duly and responsibly taken down. Nothing is gained and potentially all is lost leaving this clip up here. I kindly ask that it be removed.
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    sarajayne33 Female 13-17
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    November 17, 2007 at 4:47 pm
    okay. so this is why i hate police.
    why the hell do they have to use force on everyone.
    its okay in some circumstances where a guy has a weapon and refuses to put it down.

    but this poor guy didnt speak english and clearly didnt do ANYTHING wrong.
    and then they ask him to put his hands behind his back WHILE BEING TASERD how the f u c k are you supposed to do that.

    F U C K the police who do this. for real.

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    xp Male 30-39
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    November 17, 2007 at 5:00 pm
    We live in a police state now. Not just in the USA but all over the world. We are truly f*cked if we don`t wake up and start electing people who will change this behavior. <BR><BR>
    I don`t blame the cops themselves, they are simply bullies with small penises who never got the love and attention they needed as children. A few dozen years in prison would help rehabilitate asshats like that- and if not, hey at least they`d be off the street during that time.
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    BubbaLuvSpon Male 30-39
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    November 17, 2007 at 7:40 pm
    When people stop doing stupid things that cause the police to make ANY type of decision, good or bad, THEN we`ll be in a better place.

    xp, your take on the "police" shows me that you don`t have much of a brain to think with.

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    Qpax Male 18-29
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    November 17, 2007 at 8:10 pm
    Okay, I appreciate that the police have a difficult and dangerous job, and they usually have the best of intentions. Also that the guy was hardly acting peacefully; for those reasons, I`ll never make such sweeping statements as `I hate the police`, or whatever. But tasers are dangerous weapons, and should only be used as a last resort; I`m pretty sure police here are trained with that in mind - aren`t they everywhere?

    The guy had a small object in his hand (someone said a stapler, although I don`t know if that`s right), and was throwing a temper tantrum. He didn`t threaten or attack anyone. Hardly enough of a reason to severely injure him, especially when they could easily have tackled him to the ground.

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    Qpax Male 18-29
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    November 17, 2007 at 8:10 pm
    There always seem to be two sides to these debates - `I hate the police` and `The police are always right`. The former fail to realise that these are not generally deliberate incidents, and the latter fail to realise that there are grades of appropriate behaviour - you can`t say that `he shouldn`t have been doing it`, because while that is true, it doesn`t mean that the police are allowed to do whatever they want to the guy, for the same reason you can`t shoot someone for jaywalking. Hardly on the same scale, but it`s the same principle.

    And I actually laughed out loud when someone up there said `tasers don`t kill people`. It doesn`t happen a lot, but still...How ignorant.

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    CheesyQueso Female 18-29
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    November 17, 2007 at 9:22 pm
    id rather be tackled and bruised than tasered
  69. Profile photo of xp
    xp Male 30-39
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    November 17, 2007 at 10:12 pm
    Bubba, did I hit a nerve there? It wasn`t directed at you ok? It was directed at the four officers who killed a man simply for walking away from them. There is no morality so depraved that this is an acceptable response, except in the minds of sociopaths perhaps.
    Why is it that when a citizen breaks the law they deserve to die at the hands of police, but if the police kill an innocent person they are just doing their job and deserve nothing? What if the criminals are police? What then? A uniform does not impart moral superiority, intelligence, or superpowers. They are just human beings like the man they killed for no reason.
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    BubbaLuvSpon Male 30-39
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    November 17, 2007 at 11:02 pm
    So, you think the intentions of the officers were to kill the man? If that was the case, why not just shoot him, and do away with the chance he may live? Also, to say that they killed an "innocent" man is a bit of a stretch. Did the man deserve to die? From what I saw, no. Does that make him innocent? No!

    Now that I read back, it appears that your comments were directed at the officers involved in the video. My statements were made believing that you thought that way of all officers. Now that I think about it, the officers were acting as they had been trained. Officers are not trained that a taser is a lethal weapon. If the officers were acting as they were trained, then I`m to assume that you group all such officers together. That being said, you ARE speaking of all officers. My above post stands as posted.

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    Muncherific1 Female 30-39
    65 posts
    November 17, 2007 at 11:46 pm
    I`d like to add that I hear about this every morning on my radio - I live in Victoria BC. The police are giving an official "NO COMMENT" regarding this issue until the full investigation can be done. From what information I hear on the news every day, the police officers involved did NOT intend for this man to die, and feel awful about what happened. Now this in no way makes it ok, but I think it was just a situation that got WAAAY out of control, and some really really bad choices were made by all parties. I say shame on everybody who has been jumping to conclusions about this. When the investigation is done, I`m sure we will all hear about it on CNN, so I`m thinking that in the meantime, if a police officer stops me for any reason I will be giving my full and complete co-operation!
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    xp Male 30-39
    522 posts
    November 18, 2007 at 12:10 am
    Heres a tip: If you don`t want someone to die don`t shoot them full of 100,000 volts of electricity and then sit on their chest. Nazi`s were trained to act a certain way too. That doesn`t mean I`m gonna give them a pass. This isn`t rocket science folks.

    This man was confused, tired and in a country where he didn`t speak the language. Four jack booted thugs came rushing in, yelling and brandishing weapons. All he did was try to move away from them, and then they killed him without a second thought.

    Did you watch a different video than I did? I simply cannot imagine a mind so twisted, depraved and evil that could consider this acceptable.

    As much as the taser companies state that Tasers are non lethal, it is simply not true. Tasers are deadly weapons. They kill people every day and cops know this.
    Those cops should feel awful. Imagine how the guy`s mother feels. Thugs killed her kid with impunity and are still walking around

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    Grossen Male 18-29
    455 posts
    November 18, 2007 at 2:11 am
    A taser is a weapon. All weapons have some form of lethality, be it ever so slight that the conditions needed are present. All weapons should be treated as lethal, and a taser is actually considered to be a LESS-lethal weapon; like a beanbag fired from a shotgun, or that wondrous projectile also known as the rubber bullet.
    The man was throwing a tantrum, much like a toddler. He may have needed to be restrained, but there wasn`t a need to light him up like an electric chandelier. I disagree with the methods of those police, but I understand what they were trying to do. However, in this case, the end does not justify the means.
    I`d not like to see this video on the listing the next time I come on to IAB. It literally shows the death of a man in an airport, and despite its categorization as news, the title attempts to add brevity by poking fun at the idiot who was tased at the John Kerry conference. This man died. This is wrong.
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    nursesue Female 30-39
    175 posts
    November 18, 2007 at 3:01 am
    Here is a thought for you all, would you think differently if they had tasered a homeless drug addict who was acting irrational and unpredicatalbe? I think in all honestly you would not be on the band wagon that you are on. I stand in support of the police. For those of you who do NOT work in corrections or have any dealing/knowledge of dealing with out of conttrol people should rethink what you are saying. Do you relly think if they said "Oh please sir, please quit throwing furntiure, that is not nice", that would have stopped it. And I agree with the post that some lanuguage is universal, throwing furniture/tv and yelling in a airport is wrong in any country, language barrier, do not think so, it was quite evident he was wrong and when the police came, any rational person, no matter what language would have stopped. The police did what they thought was right to protect at the time, again, I support the police
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    November 18, 2007 at 11:15 am
    Must disagree with you, nursesue. The problem that caused this man`s death was that the 4 officers ignored their training and did the wrong thing! Simply blasting away at a guy who`s trappeed and cannot escape or harm others is so obviously wrong it ain`t funny. They gave him like 5 seconds to obey orders? Un-real.
    What about talking? They made no efforts (in the video, as far as we know) at all to communicate. The airport reta-cops thought he was speaking Russian, they obviously didn`t do anything either. A woman is shown talking with him, no one asked her what was wrong with the man???
    And as for the man taking the video, he laughs because he has NO IDEA the cops are about to attack and kill this man, duh! The filmer was comming home from China to be with his dieing father, btw.
    So for 10 hours no one in this Canadian "international airport" helped this man, and then he`s killed by 4 "highly trained" officers. Sickening.
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    xp Male 30-39
    522 posts
    November 18, 2007 at 1:04 pm
    Nurse: no I wouldn`t feel differently if the guy was homeless, mentally ill or addicted to drugs. I don`t assign different values on human life according to social status and wealth. Furthermore, I find is morally repulsive to do so.

    And no, I don`t think yelling at him in a language he doesn`t speak is going to make him stop his behavior. I do however think that getting an interpreter to find out why he is upset might be a good first step. Ten hours should be enough time to find a Polish speaker and find out what the guy`s problem is.

    What were the police protecting exactly? Chairs? Computers? The guy had been there ten hours, if he was going to hurt someone he would have done it by then. I didn`t see him threaten anyone.

    Supporting the police is fine, they have hard jobs. But my job is hard too and I don`t get to kill people that annoy me and get away with it. I would go to jail, just like these officers should.

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    nursesue Female 30-39
    175 posts
    November 18, 2007 at 2:42 pm
    People are going to disagree and debate this forever. We all have our personal thoughts and values - and I repsect others opinions. I still stand in support of the police. I live here in Vancouver, and perhaps I have a better understanding of all the facts. I will not go on about how I think the police were justified, as they gave him enough time and warning, threatening like that in any country is wrong, and I support our police department for putting themselfs at risk to protect you and me.
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    xp Male 30-39
    522 posts
    November 18, 2007 at 4:13 pm
    The facts are this:

    A polish dude was in the airport and couldn`t leave.
    Nobody spoke polish, nobody bothered to find a polish speaker.
    He got frustrated and started causing a scene.
    Four cops killed him.

    What am I missing? Is causing a scene punishable buy death without a trial in Canada?

    I thought the US was bad.

    What were the risks to the cops? That he might staple them? Or yell at them in Polish? The DUDE IS FU(KING DEAD! They murdered him. I don`t think you understand this.

    46 seconds warning. 46 SECONDS! In a language he doesn`t understand. You call that "enough time and warning" Are you insane?

    What if four large Russians can up to you with weapons and started yelling in Russian at you, what would you do?

    What if it was your son?

    Whose to say someone in your family isn`t next? Will you support the police then? Or do you not care unless it affects you directly?

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    nursesue Female 30-39
    175 posts
    November 18, 2007 at 4:23 pm
    I would be inpublic, throw furniture, threaten and yell and then when poicle/security approached me I would not continuie to throw furniture and threaten, it seems like you are saying because he did not speak english it was alright to vent frutrations by yelling, screaming and smashing furntirue, did not know that that was an acceptable way of voicing frustration in poland, wow, again, I support the police. No one should be yelling scream8ing throwing stuff in public like that, it does not matter that you do not understand the language, pretty common sense if you ask me
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    BubbaLuvSpon Male 30-39
    159 posts
    November 18, 2007 at 5:32 pm
    So, you really think the police intended to kill the man? Don`t they carry guns? Couldn`t they have just filled him with lead? Why risk him surviving, like the thousands of people have, myself included?

    My last point, then I`m done with this conversation... No matter where I`m at, and what the situation is, if 4 men come up to me with weapons drawn, I`m putting my hands up, and slowly laying on the ground. Same thing ANY reasonable person would do.

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    Grossen Male 18-29
    455 posts
    November 18, 2007 at 5:41 pm
    Nurse, he had completely stopped doing anything like that by the time the cops arrived. He did throw a tantrum, and any man that age should know better than to vent his frustrations in an airport baggage claim, but he had calmed down a great deal by the time the cops got to him. It`s a great thing to have faith in police. Hell, I still trust police in my own nation. But is it such a crime to lose faith in the four officers who killed this man?
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    kodkilla Male 18-29
    15 posts
    November 18, 2007 at 8:23 pm
    JESUS PEOPLE! Come on! The man was unpredictable! He could have injured a police officer! Now if I was that man and I had officers pointing guns at me I would put my hands over my head and fall to my knees. I would not turn away, which could be construed as a threat! I will admit that the police used a little too much force, but tasering him once seemed fair! You idiots saying that the police meant to kill him should kill themselves for such stupidity!
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    SamusRules Male 18-29
    13 posts
    November 21, 2007 at 2:48 am
    Well said, kodkilla. I agree.

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