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but it is kinda forced on you from a young age, i mean they made me sing hymns every wednesday at my primary school and didn`t give you a choice
thank god for free will ;)
What an idiot you guys are. Catholics ARE Christians, by definition. In fact, they make up half of the world`s 2 billion Christians, and are much more numerous than any other group.
This is like saying "Baptists and Christians are two different religions", or "Sunnis and Muslims are two different religions". Research what you`re talking about before you start spouting sh*te.
"bombsquad505 Wrote:Wow, and the Catholic religion wonders why they`re losing members...If this lady is truly a Christian, maybe she should try using compassion and understanding and a little less of the f-word."Catholics and Christians are two different religions, with sort-of different views. One has saints that the other believes is unnecessary. One is with ceremonies (reading from the bible), while the other has praising and singing christian rock or new age or whatever it was.I don`t know much about either, but I left Catholism, Catholicism, Catholisti-- f*cking whatever, when I was 6. That is how I know a bit of it, from memory I guess.
At least I`ll SAY I believe.
As for names, I think it best for you to avoid drawing conclusions of people based on an internet handle.
Pronunciation: \`kris-məs\ Function: noun Etymology: Middle English Christemasse, from Old English Cristes mæsse, literally, Christ`s mass
1 : a Christian feast on December 25 or among some Eastern Orthodox Christians on January 7 that commemorates the birth of Christ and is usually observed as a legal holiday.
Please note that the definition of Christmas is NOT a holiday to spend quality time with family and buy presents for each other in the name of happiness and whatnot.
ok, no christmas presents, omg how devastating.
And please cite your historical sources as you go.
Kudos to you, Aretsuku-kun. Pay no attention to Mrjimmycm trying to shoot you down because of your age.
"When everything else falls apart, Christianity is the only thing left standing."WTF?christianity started like a dozen wars in the past, and destryoed several cultures(especially ones in that women had equal rights as men).Take some history classes and maybe you`d know a thing or two about your own religion.
So, you`re saying that you would disown your son because he chooses to believe something different from you? Would you disown him because his favorite type of cake is different? It`s not something you can prove, and it`s not something for you to choose. If he`s going to make a choice between religion with the consequences of eternal punishment in Hell or going to Heaven, then it`s his choice!
Guess freedom of speech bugs you too. Maybe we should just make Christianity the official religion?
What gives you the right to decide what somebody else believes?
typical idiot parental bartering
they can s*ck my d*ck
Just had to add that I completly agree with you Kureifox
By the way, my family celebrates Christmas as well.
And the more I think about it, the mother absolutely had the right to talk to him that way. That`s why she`s the parent and he`s the child. Sure the whole Christmas threat was a little stupid, but that`s not the point. Parents provide the roof over his head, the clothes on his back, and the food on the table. And until that kid is 18, he`s a representive of the parents and he will he will go to church if they tell him to. End of story. He can "think" when he`s 18 and out on his own. And the same goes for atheist parents who don`t want their kid going to church. Respect starts at home. And the father needs to grow a set. It`s obvious who wears the pants in that family.
P.S. If you`re between the ages of 13-17, please keep your parenting advice to yourself.
CONCLUSION: It wasn´t the kid who recorded this
Proofs only exist in mathematics. So "burden of evidence" is accurate. "Burden of proof" is an impossibility.
Maybe not a billion dollar - but that AMOUNT of money yes.
"I don`t need science to prove something to me"Science provides evidence. To ignore science is to live in the Bronze Age.The burden of evidence is on the believer. You need to provide evidence of god. There is NONE. There is no more evidence for a god as there is for Santa Claus or the Flying Spaghetti Monster. You are deluded. It is as simple as that. I didn`t choose not to believe. It`s not a choice of will.
OR maybe the mother is just having difficulty with her children. We don`t know what it is by 30 seconds of a clip. She could be a really good mother who has reached her end because of this kids behaviour. This happens to parents all the time. I`m sure even you remember getting a strip taken out of you for some reason. So lets be realistic here.
^^ Maybe when you`re the mothers age and have kids you`ll understand.
Find out what you believe. there`s thousands of religions. Find yours. And if you find it, Question it again. And just because you found yours, doesn`t mean everyone has the same thoughts. Don`t push it on other people.
Hope that helps.
God Bless o:-)
Well I have, but you didn`t understand it the first time.
The Jews do not have the same concept of God as Christians.
Jews believe he did not send his only begotten son to save mankind. Jews believe he wants Saturday kept holy. Jews believe he hates the eating of Pork. Jews believe he wants the guys circumcised. Etc, etc, etc.
So your argument about him having Multiple personalities works just as well between Jews and Christians (and even between Christian sects) as it does between Christians and Muslims.
Yet you`re only applying it to Muslims.
"Science has the correct kind of wrong". According to you, science`s very fundamentals are utterly wrong. Any science relies on the idea that the universe has rules at it`s core.
If that`s wrong, science is wrong, full stop.
You`re basically being a nihilist. You`re applying a logic you don`t even believe in yourself. If you really believed in the whole "the universe has no rules" crap, you`d try walking through the walls instead of trying the doors.
1) Discounting Catholics from Christianity turns it from the world`s most populous religion into a virtual cult. You drop from being an almost 2 Billion strong religion to less than Hinduism/Bhuddism/Atheism/Islam/Etc etc etc.
2) In what way did Ishmael start Islam? Any teachings anywhere that survived? No. At best you can claim he helped rebuild the Kabah, but if you do that then your ONLY sources also say that Abraham was with him, AND that the foundations were built by Adam.
You`re believing only the convenient for your unfounded argument.
Couldn`t put it better myself :-)(Even I though I`m Catholic, I respect religious freedom)
whatever the word is... (racist but not for race- for religion)
Or, in conclusion, a dick.
Go for it Michael!
What? Religion didn`t explain E=MC^2; religion didn`t explain quantum mechanics; hell, religion couldn`t even explain anything smaller than what was seen.
Religion is almost wrong all of the time. Science is wrong pretty much all of the time as well, but science at least attempts to be as approximate to right as it can. Science is wrong in the right direction. Religion is just wrong.
Kind of sucks for my grandfather- he was born on Christmas, so every year growing up he got just one present to cover both. Now he`s a bitter old fart.
And beside that, you make a very good point about the woman wanting control. She tries through Christmas presents, through threat of eternal Hell, and et cetera. Nowadays that`s all the control she has- violence could make things ugly very quickly.
A wise man once said: "People arguing over whose religion is the right one are just a bunch of children fighting over who`s invisible friend is strongest."
She needs to take a chill pill and stop forcing people to do things her way.
My Mom just tries to deny it. Like her pretending I`m still Christian is going to get me to read the bible and pray every night. Yeah, no.
"No! it`s not ok!"
She`s so intelligent. seriously. I told my mom i was buddhist. (directly from catholicism) and she didn`t care at all. It`s these people that make people want to leave christianity. Everybody just automatically accepts it, nobody questions it. How can they?
But whatever. Its only your life that you`re wasting.
I`m a theology student. I can`t help but point out people`s inaccuracies when it comes to what they think they believe in.
It wasn`t that bad, besides the fact that she cursed.
And btw, "So you just ST0PPED BELIEVING IN SANTA?!" would be a better argument.
And I don`t care what people believe, I honestly don`t. I just don`t like people who try to say that Science can back up religious claims. Because it can`t. End of story."
Good point dude, im not saying I don`t believe in god, im just saying it pisses me off when people are so afraid of god that they start spewing all this BS onto other people. And I Especially hate it when They try to about scientific evidence say that god exists blah blah blah. what a load of crap.
And I don`t care what people believe, I honestly don`t. I just don`t like people who try to say that Science can back up religious claims. Because it can`t. End of story.
And no, catholics are NOT christians, they`re DEFINITELY going a different way, especially in the last hundred years or so. (Most of the catholics I speak with now, lean more on New Age)
I did not SAY that Ishmael was the first muslim, I said that if you track back, it can be tracked to Ishmael. He was the start of the faith.
As for whatever else you just said. I have no idea what you`re talking about. The point is that the religion of muslims have twisted the idea of God, it is not the same God. And to say it is, would be to say that God has multiple personalities, and hence, has no ability to be just and true, or kind and merciful.
People have opinions in what they believe, get used to it, welcome to the real world.
Nothing you can say will ever change someone who`s arguing back with you about their beliefs, so stop.
Funny that she would mention confirmation, cuz i`m supposed to do that this spring, and my mom told me yesterday taht i dont have to cuz it would be hypocrisy
i love my mom :)
ok.....that woman is a non-nice individual....bitch!!
any other agnostics on here? people always ask me what it is win i say im agnostic and then say "you mean atheist" win i explain it. i hate being grouped with atheists. they are as bad as the religious nuts. why is everything absolute on both sides? ther is no way in science or religion to prove or disprove the existance of any god like being.
why do you need the promise of heaven and the threat of damnation to be a good person? on that note why would the christian god who is forgiving and what not say "live this way and be this kind of person or go to hell" that doesnt sound like a caring forgiving god to me. win i say hell im not talking about the image you get from cartoons and poo of an eternally burning place of torture and punishment. im talking about the least corrupted version i know of that describes it as a place without gods love.
I bet those two mormon kids on bikes had moms like this, you know, the kids that got their asses handed to them in the McD`s Parking Lot by the Bible Bashing Brotha.
That`s a good one from mom.
Not a believer but, "You`re not gonna get presents for christmas" would sure turn me.
Religion has all the answers, and is wrong some of the time. Science has a couple of answers, and is right most of the time.
Religion has the advantage of being a complete system, whereas science has the advantage of being a more restrictive system.
(For all you comp programmers out there, Science == BFS, Religion == DFS. Unfortunately, as with all Depth First Searches, Religion has more tendency to get caught in an infinite loop. ;))
Is he serious about being an athiest? We`ll see when Christmas, Easter, and other christian holidays pass. :-P
Science, deary, has come up with the theory of a multiverse which is based basically on the fact that this universe is astronomically unlikely unless a) It`s been guided, or b) there are several of them.
Science, deary, tells you that certain things have a rotational symmetry of 1/2.
Alas. There`s a bit more faith involved in science than sunrises. Jeez, some people get so wound up and offended about the things they believe in huh. ;)
Anyways, when I told my mom I didn`t believe in God, she told me that he does in fact exist, so I respect her right to believe, because honestly, when she dies, she goes to heaven, when I die, I go to nowhere...which is far scarier than hell. So good for her.
I wouldn`t be surprised if it`s people like these that are causing people to give up on religon...
But, if the sun were not to rise, we`d compile a new model to explain the lack of the sunrise. The religious would continue down the path, and merely deny the sun didn`t rise that day. :P
I apologize... just in a b*tchy mood this morning...
The two are entirely different. For one, science itself *is* (and read the above sentence a few times if you still feel like arguing) based on faith for a great deal. Any inductive leap is essentially a leap of faith.
Mine was cool when I said no god plz :)
Have you ever seen one billion dollars stacked up at once? No, so you don`t have any evidence it exists, but you still believe someone has one billion dollars, right?
I don`t need science to prove something to me, and more importantly I don`t need you to agree with what I know to be true. I know God exists, can I prove it to you? Nope. By the same token, can you prove God doesn`t exist? Nope.
I believe. That is all that is important to me, agree with me or disagree with me, that is your choice which by the way is God`s greatest gift to you, the right to choose what you believe and the right to choose how you show that belief.
There is only one God, and he is greater than any one religion.
We both know he went to our school, we both know he was in our English class, we both know he went out with a girl called Tracy, we both know he wanted to be a Lawyer.
I say "I think he`s in Washington now" and you say "No way, I heard he moved to India".
We`re not suddenly talking about two different Bobs. It`s the same Bob. It`s just one of us (or both of us) is wrong about what Bob (or to take the earlier example, God) finally ended up doing.
Let me be clear here.Jews believe in the same historical God, but with different final attributes. Muslims believe in the same historical God, but with different final attributes.
1) Muslims believe the teaching of Islam started with Adam, and carried on through Moses/Jesus/Abraham/Noah/Etc. Are you thinking of another God who built the Arc, created Adam, helped Moses free the Israelites?
2) Ishmael is considered the first Arab, not the first Muslim. Religiously, Adam was the first Muslim. Historically, Mohammed was.
Faith is believing without evidence. So you`re deluded. The OPPOSITE of expanding your mind.
And Christmas celebrates the birth of Christ. Hence the name CHRISTmas. It really is that simple. Since when can non-followers of a religion hi-jack that religion`s holiday and say it actually celebrates something completely different? That makes no sense at all, it`s madness!!!
LKJSlain^^ "yup... if I lived in that house, I`d be an atheist TOO! haha... Or at least a CHRISTIAN and not a catholic."
Surely catholics ARE christians (i.e. anyone who believes in Christ as "Son of God")?
JEWS existed before Christ, they wanted a savior (actually they asked for a king) But, they all believed in the same "GOD" "GOD THE FATHER" Jews denied that Jesus was the son of God (as it was biblically prophesied that they would) But, they still believe in the same "GOD" the father. We (Christians and jews) agree on who God the Father is. And many Jews ARE actually "masionic" which means that they believe that Jesus was indeed the messiah. As far as muslims go, they believed in the same God as well, UP until a certain point. Which is why they can make the claim that they believe in Abraham and Isaac, YES, because that`s where it stopped. Ishmael was the start of the muslim religion, because Abraham did NOT obey God. (Isaac was the promise, Ishmael was not) And Ishmael was sent out into the wilderness where he became his OWN people. MUSLIMS believe that "THEY" are the promis, because they come from Ishmael. And that`s whe
As far as Christmas goes, my whole family are atheists. To us, Christmas - or Xmas, or Yule, etc - is really just about eating lots of nice food, coming together with family and sharing gifts.
Most, if not all, religions have a similar festive holiday. Most have decorations, gifts and feasts (ie "fe(a)stivities"). That isn`t limited to deity-worshiping groups, either.
But then, with Xmas so commercialised these days, how can anyone say it is just a religious period any more. Almost everyone celebrates it, not ju
They don`t understand what they believe. They go to church and "read" the bible, say a bunch of stuff in latin, and believe a lot of "religious superstition" but, they don`t actually study things like science, and history, and actually preach on things that are MEANINGFUL to someones life. This video is a great example. (What mom believes in God and starts yelling the F word at her son?) Catholics also do NOT encourage a relationship with Jesus Christ OR with God. A lot of it is just superstition. "Holy water" "Crucfixes" "praying to saints" "talents" "hail marys" "being celbate all your life to preach" (not even biblical) none of which get you to heaven. Also, she`s threatening no presnets? Presents have NOTHIN
My family isn`t religious and I don`t really believe in God but we still celebrate Christmas. I know it was all about the birth of Jesus and stuff but I just see it as a nice holiday for everyone to have fun rather than anything religious. I just asked my mum if we would still celebrate Christmas if we weren`t religious (she was brought up Catholic but isn`t sure about God) and she said she doesn`t know. I think we probably would.
And interesting that you should mention Bull...., as one of the fertility festivals celebrated by hanging bull testicles from trees.
Wrong in every possible way, there is no rationalization of that claim.Jews specifically deny Christ. Yet you qualify them as worshiping the same God. Muslims worship the god of Abraham/Jacob/Etc AND Christ, yet you qualify them as worshiping a different God.
The only additional qualifier you can put in is whether or not their version of events is correct, which which from a Christian perspective can either exclude both Jews and Muslims, or neither.
It`s just another example of "It doesn`t matter which God they say they`re worshiping, all that matters is what God *I* say they`re worshiping". Believe it or not, you`re not qualified to make that assertion.
I want to go up to that woman and tell her Catholicism is NOT okay, and give her like no reason why.
God, I want to slap that woman.
This video is old, though. Like over a year old.
Whoever was running the camera should have let it run longer, I actually want to see how this turned out.
However, to see the mother`s point of view:She very obviously believes that being Catholic will save you from an eternity in Hell, and through her eyes, he just accepted an eternity in Hell.I think it would be anyone`s response to at least say something. She was just caught up in her fear for her son`s soul and let her emotions take reign.
Another thing... Dad needs to grow a pair! Dad should be in charge of that house, and not mom. At the very least, he needs to be supporting mommy dearest!
Lastly, Christmas is about the birth of Christ. If you are celebrating some other event, call it as such. CHRISTmas celebrates Christ.
If this lady is truly a Christian, maybe she should try using compassion and understanding and a little less of the f-word.
As a christian, I worship the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob as do the Jews. I would consider a muslim to be heathen because they worship the god of Muhammad who is, in fact, the devil. The bible says, "Those who worship other gods worship demons and devils."
I would consider myself and fantical Christian as well and yelling and and swearing isn`t going to change their minds. If anything it will do the opposite. At least he didn`t tell her that he was gay.
She should just buy him a bible every Christmas.
He stopped believing in god and his mum got pissed.
I lol`d at how the dad just sat there and enjoyed the show.
Exactly.Christmas isn`t really about Christ anymore anyways.It`s about giving your families gifts and stuffing your face full of food now.Samhain, or Halloween, also heavily relies on the pagan beliefs and rituals.
Whoever filmed that wins at life.
But for realz-- I bet both sides could have handled it better. The mom probably should have not exploded, but the kid probably shouldn`t have brought it up to begin with. I bet he`s not even a real atheist, rather, one of those who do it because it`s "cool."
Plus, if he wanted to piss off his mom more, he should have calmly said ok as if her screaming didn`t affect him. Some kids just don`t know how to push their parent`s buttons. It`s sad really :P
I never said it "evolved," and I never said that Christmas was pagan. All I said was that decorating the F*ckin tree was a practice that Celtic pagans participated in during Yule, and then all the bullsh*t started....
That statement is only only meant for you if you were talking to ME. If you weren`t talking to me, then completely disregard it and have a wonderful day. :D
Like yesterday we celebrated a colleagues birthday a couple of days early because she wasn`t going to be in the office on her birthday. That doesn`t mean we`re suddenly celebrating "Sarah going to France" day.
But I guess that doesn`t make a point as much as pretending Christmas is pagan...
P.S. I don`t celebrate Christmas, and I`m not a Christian.
My mom is at a mid-point between Spartan117A`s mom and this mom. She doesn`t necessarily support my choice of Atheism but she also doesn`t argue it.
I don`t dispute the Roman holiday, but ancient Celtic Pagans also had Yule. That`s all I was saying... My beliefs are mainly rooted in Celtic paganism and reverence for nature.
The way you use the word Pagan comes off as derogatory; as a negative term. And your sarcasm isn`t appreciated.
I wasn`t planning on going "in-depth" on any ancient customs; all I wanted to do was state that Christmas had pagan roots... that`s all.
"Oh breakfast!""Dang it, an argument""Oh coffee!"*sips on it*
The Christmas holiday we celebrate today is actually based on a roman feast called Saturnalia. It was a holiday dedicated to the harvest god, Saturn that included gambling, team games, and gift exchanges. The Christmas tree also has it`s origins in the feast of Saturnalia and was decorated with offerings to the god.
The Roman Emperor Aurelian is believed to be responsible for the present date of the Christmas holiday, it once being a festival for adherrents of the Sol Invictus sect.
When Western Europe was in the process of conversion to Christianity, the early missionaries mixed the new Christian holidays with the old faiths to help the converted better understand the significance of such. Like you said, Easter is a mix of both Northern European, Roman, and Christian customs.
Anyways, that parental unit reminds me of why religion can be scary, and frankly, more reason for me to be atheist, just to piss off people like that, especially when they try to tell me I`m wrong, but can`t prove it. (By no means am I saying that religion is wrong, but if you can`t prove atheism wrong, it can be right.)
So, yeah... there ya go.
It`s kinda funny that the people who would take offense to being considered Christian are likely the first people to complain if the holiday is taken away from them.
Down with Catholocism.
I almost busted a gut when I heard the christmas bit!
Go for it Michael. If thats what you believe in. Thats what you believe. If you were religious? Whatever floats your boat.
By choosing to believe something else? Since when did one`s PERSONAL belief become a family activity? I thought the mind and thought processes of one person was their own and only their own.
probably because it undermines the family as a unit.
"Ok Mom, either you`re going to give me my presents, or I`m sacrificing Jenny to Satan and using the dinner table as the altar.....you`re choice."
OMG people who believe that their religion and their religions alone is right are annoying and retarded.
I`ve said my peace.
All, that kid won`t get presents for Christmas.