Exoskeleton Turns Humans Into Terminators

Submitted by: Narvos 9 years ago Science

An experimental robotic exoskeleton turns grunts into super-soldiers.
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Male 1,244
I want one!

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Male 458
"You really think we`re going to see these mass produced?"
thats what they said about the airplane
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Female 262
*Yells* Propaganda!
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Male 205
oi! the counter said i was exactly 1000 chars
whatever

to finish:
military is probably the worst possible use for this thing

transhumanism ftw

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Male 205
Converse... you say you dont believe in god, so i guess you also dont believe in a soul or any of that other poo?

in that case, how is a human different from a robot?

could you not build a perfect copy of a human and spark it up in whatever way stops it from being dead? is that a human or a robot?


also.
do animals have free will?
where does free will start and reaction to stimuli stop?
you say robots dont have free will because they are programmed, whos to say we arnt programmed also?
it really is UNBELIEVABLE how predictable humans actually are

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to the peoples assuming that we will be smart enough to build failsafes into the armageddon style tech: as it gets cheaper and cheaper and more and more common place some twat will just go down to radioshack and build himself one without the failsafes, or just write some virus for it or whatever (not that i think there will be an "end of the world" ever)

all advancing tech is good no matter what

milit

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Female 681
sc-fi movies coming to life?????
thats interesting
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Female 546
STAR WAAAAAARS
Omg
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Male 35
Baalthazaq I am in almost full agreement with all of your past arguments, where are you getting this info I`m just curious. But heres my catch, if we are human, and tissue is copyable as you said some aspects of what you could define free will as is, and our understanding of neuroscience advances enough, we can literally tear out the part of the brain, the electrical transactions between neurons and place it into some form of computer, because then at the very core we will understand how to REPLICATE free will, but possibly not understand HOW it works.
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Female 943
those are gonna be 10 times less bulkier in like 50 years.
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Male 2
Alright by just replying to these comments and arguing expresses free will unless you want to get all religious about and say god planned out every second of our lives...
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Male 6
weird....
PEACE MESSAGE
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Male 1,270
Emotions, Baalthazaq, emotions!!

From the moment we`re born we`re told what`s right and wrong, good and bad. Obviously you can `teach` this to a machine, but then the machine becomes nothing but a copy of the creators feelings, not its own.

Free will doesn`t do anything to human behaviour, it IS human behaviour.

A robot is programmed, already dissipating any notion of free will. You can`t `make something think for itself`...because it`s a contradiction of terms.

That`s why people fail on the belief of god AND free will. You can`t have both. And seeing as free will is clearly evident, it renders the existence of a creator both pointless and impossible (in terms).

When things are built (such as robots), the creater imprints his or her feelings, emotions, ideology, etc onto it. This isn`t free will, because it`s being told what to do.

Let me put it this way:

Humans - No creator - Free will due to no imprinting

Robots - Creator - Imprinting from creator

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Male 1,623
I wonder if he can jump with that poo on.
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Male 275
LittleMissQT: Wow...just like Super Mario

Yeah, I don`t remember a hydraulic powered exoskeleton anywhere in Mario )-|

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Female 1,330
Wow...just like Super Mario
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Male 608
holy crap. i are WANT!!!!
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Male 196
AnwarNova: Seriously, you guys need to stop being so damn paranoid. Science fiction IS the only place where robots suddenly try to take over the world. We can easily program robots not to have any of those feelings. Advancing technology is a GOOD thing.
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Female 296
WMDs-R-Bad - mate, I wasn`t ragging. I did say I suppose someone else would have gotten round to it, kthnx. Plus me best mate is American.

Also - I`m an only child. And if I were to be drafter, provided I believed in what my people were fighting for, I`d be proud to die for England. Patriotism, dude.

Plus I really dislike robots. Metal freaks me out. >_>

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Female 1,572
It`s a spartan.....O_0
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Male 1,623
I want one for Christmas.
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Male 46
nerb. There is going to be a major war. A ground war between Russia, China, and India against the EU. Your whole family will be drafted. You, your parents, your uncles, cousins, brothers, sisters, almost everybody. You will be split up and then probably get killed. As you will be lying on the cold, hard ground dying, you will be pissed at your military for not supplying these robots to your military before hand. Your army`s response would be that everyone was getting too lazy and not active enough.
That was sort of a joke, sort of. I am just saying why have your 18 yr old brother get drafter into the army if an event comes up. Which is pretty predictable in Iran. America is a great country and for you to be ragging on it is retarded. We are the economic, military, and political superpower in this world. just because we have an ape as president doesn`t make us all retarded.
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Male 275
Shiruba:`why those tech are always geared towards war? :<
I could imagine people building space stations, lifting containers, saving people from burning buildings.

But nope, they want to load Ammo faster, they want to load missiles faster, they want gatling gun infantry.

There goes all my faith in humankind :<`

I know what you mean dude. Their logic would probably be that the exoskeleton being used in war would probably help save lives, but then again, the same applies to it being used to save people from burning buildings like you said. I`ve also lost my faith in humanity :/

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Male 1,590
Didn`t Logan use one in Dark Angel?
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Female 965
Could he break through a brick wall in that thing? And if he can, would he get hurt?
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Male 957
Man this is so cool!

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Male 108
why those tech are always geared towards war? :<

I could imagine people building space stations, lifting containers, saving people from burning buildings.

But nope, they want to load Ammo faster, they want to load missiles faster, they want gatling gun infantry.

There goes all my faith in humankind :<

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Male 6
rather than war, why don`t they use these things for constructions purposes or something? same amount of power as some machinery with alot more accuracy...
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Male 211
NICE!!!!!
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Male 4,246
There is only one thing to say:

I AM IRONMAN!!!

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Male 275
Ah yeah, I Robot. One of mt favourite films. Thanks Baalthazaq.
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Male 3,255
Bout dratin time. We don`t live that long, and I wanna see all the sci-fi poo before I die.
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Female 434
"robots cannot ever take over or anything like that either- because we cannot grant free will, we can just randomize functions, or create to respond to stimuli."

Just as some others have said, robots /are/ getting free will.
A robot even got out of the building it was being held in by itself.
I think that could definitely be considered `free will`.

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Male 1,275
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Male 135
they probably wouldnt be automated for many years. Look at asimo. and if you think about it, if they WERE automated, do you really think they would be stupid enough to A. program into them anything but command following functions B. not have emergency shut downs. come on, if some 18 year old kid can figure that its required, they are definetly do the same...
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Male 4,547
ConverseUK. You`re not describing free will.

Don`t just go "But people are squishy, and have emotions, and etc etc."

Tell me what you think free will *does*.
Tell me why we cannot eventually copy it.

That`s why I said "If you can describe it, we can copy it". Most people just throw out "free will" as a really vague concept.

Some say it`s our moral compass. (Copyable).
Some say it`s our ability to modify what we think. (Copyable).
Some say "it`s the reason we do things". (Vague and doesn`t say what it actually changes).
Some say "it`s our emotions". (Vague, but individually copyable).
Some say "it`s just a feeling I get". (Vague. Possibly gas. Copyable.)
etc.

Either free will *does* something to human behaviour which we can copy, or it doesn`t and we don`t need to include it to make it behave human.

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Male 126
I wouldn`t worry about the free will thing, and It`s not going to the battlefield any time soon. Were putting too much into Airburst Weapons and land-warrior to put this on the footsloggers back.
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Male 180
i could actually see this as more of a labor force type thing, like for the air craft carrier deck workers and what not or air force crews. they always have to carry around heavy stuff. i dont see this as a combat thing. its not fast or athletic enough
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Male 742
*ahem* STFU ABOUT FREE WILL AND $HIT AND ENJOY THE CRAZY AWESOME ROBOT-SUIT THINGY!!!!!!!!!!
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Male 742
I want to rip out someones trachea with the claw on that thing.
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Male 199
*goes to options* *turns off freewill* there problem solved, you see I`m sure most *intellegent* people would install some sort of back up system that they can just overthrow free will from and make sure it`s integrated, or something so that if they learn to take it out they die.(btw sims refrence)
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Male 4,290
I reckon you could make it super jump in a way similar to these things, but using hydraulics. wouldn`t be too hard if they`re that far ahead with the rest of the technology, and you could use it to run faster too.
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Male 329
dear santa.....
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Male 1,204
"wow... Halo anyone???"

same thing i was thinking. i actually saw this in a popular science magazine a couple years back...

and if robots do become more powerful, one EMP wave to end em all, tehn we can start over at step 1! yay :D

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Male 149
ConverseUK wins.
Period.
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Male 430
awesome I wanna get one
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Male 133
Whoever mentioned a "super jump" might be disappointed. A super jump wouldn`t require tons of power as much as tons of speed, and the suit follows the users movement and does not increase it. If it did, it wouldn`t be too long before someone accidentally rips their own arm off.
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Male 133
I`ve had this exact idea for quite some time. I`m glad someone finally is putting into practice!
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Male 195
thats awesome, i really dont see the harm in a few exoskeletons, especially in dangerous environments
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Male 1,270
Baalthazaq, are you saying that `robots` will learn free will?

Are human actions not emotionally driven? Havn`t we been taught right and wrong, good and bad? How does a `robot` judge something? How does it use feelings and instincts when its not part of its `nature`?

They`re machines...task specific machines. If you order it to do something, it doesnt think about it or question why it has to do it, it just does it in the way it has been taught is best.

If you move your right arm, the suuit moves its right arm. It doesn`t stop and say "wait, WHY am I moving it? Who created me?"

Its just not in its nature.

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Male 47

this bot is about 4-5 years behind current technology. checkout http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSP46lWvx...

for the HAL (human assisted limbs) exoskeleton from Cyberdyne, yes Cyberdyne, if there is anyone out there named John or Sarah Connor; start worrying

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Female 165
That is so freakin` awesome. I want one!
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Female 1,002
Pretty cool...but a little freaky too.
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Male 4,547
Let me put this in a much shorter way.

If you can describe free will, you can copy it.

If you measure it by randomness, we can build true random number generators using decay of radioactive particles.

If you measure it by a set of rules. Those rules can be programmed in. This includes desires of any kind. In fact, if you look at agent oriented programming, it deals with desire quite frequently.

It is also possible to have a computer generate it`s desires dynamically.

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Male 4,547
GeN_Ex: Go watch "I, Robot". Isaac Aasimov thought about how we would put those controls into place and how robots would react, and in various AI simulations he has turned out to be worryingly right.

Nintendonut:
"Humans aren`t `programmed`. Computers are programmed, we can act randomly."

Actually you can`t demonstrate that at all.
Humans are demonstratively programmed. Whether you point to indoctrination, behaviorist reward/punishment systems, genetic indicators. The only question is whether we are entirely programmed, or if there is an element of free will in there as well.

As for human randomness,
1) Clumping occurs all the time. Humans are *not* good random number generators.
2) The ability for a human being to generate random numbers can be physically impaired. (Which suggests a physical, and therefore mimicable cause).

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Male 2,290
Yeah, and it can keep up that pace with probably 1,000 pounds and half an arsenal on its back.

So yeah...that`s running.

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Male 140
that was running?
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Male 2,290
Well, if the machine was capable of self-evolution, or had the capability to re-think things, then it could rewrite its own programming in a way. But, I think we`d design fail safes for that.
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Male 275
By the way, surely any machine we make that requires programming HAS to obey its programming? So if we programmed them not to harm anything with the common characteristics of a human then there is not any chance of any kind of chaos?

And please, correct me if I`m wrong. Not in a roostery way.

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Male 275
I just knew when I saw this that there`d be some people trying to act clever and get into complex situations they can`t really think their way into. Not all, some of you are right on the mark ;)

I won`t join in too much but I will say that if we go on to ignore any warnings or danger theories and really do make powerful sentient machines without devising some sort of fail-safe then we really are stupid.

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Male 1,254
Mmm...Power Armor fueled by personal nuclear cells and equipped with a Pulse Rifle.

Nuclear wasteland here I come!

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Male 695
No wait, they should make it a Hazardous Environment Suit! From Half Life! That would be so darn cool
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Male 695
That is leet beyond awesomeness. But they shouls make Samus` Power Suit around it (from Metroid yaknow)
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Male 227
I have a BIG feeling that 100 years from now the history in the books will be as following...

It all started in 2007...

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Male 10
great! now we can kill more people, more easily!
and the fun haven`t even started yet, just wait until it falls to the wrong hands!
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Male 658
I love how people think technology operates on the same principles as the sith.
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Female 161
i can`t wait till we get the techonology where we finally look like storm troopers/samus aran.

also, when you step out of the "autonomous" version, it will definitely attempt world domination.

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Male 130
This is not a good thing at all. Some day war won`t exsist, it will just be one side with superior weapons slaughtering the enemy. In fact, that is pretty much the way it is now.
Think about it. We are so intent on making our soldiers invulnerable and powerfull that we forget why we are doing this and who exactly the people are that we need to be killing. The question of who is right and who is wrong becomes totally irrelevent in war now. As soon as the better equipped side decides to attack its enemy, thats it. No consideration of which side is right, no consideration of whether or not we need to kill the enemy, just instant slaughter followed speedily by a police state.
The United States is powerfull enough now that we don`t need to worry about the actual warfare anymore and should start concentrating on the big picture.
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Male 3,431
My biggest issue with this is the tendency people have to becoming totally dependent on technology only to have it fail at a bad time and be left essentially helpless. Powering such a system is no mean feat.

My Laptop gets around three hours of use out of it`s battery and it`s draw is minimal, it isn`t running servos and actuators. What sort of life expectancy does one get out of an exoskeleton powersource?

If the military is smart they will start out using these units in supply and repair shops then as the system is refined and perfected move it to the battlefield.

But that is expecting the military to be smart.

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Male 813
"lol this idea is ok, but what if it gets wet and short circuits or what if it rusts? are they expecting to use that robot only on clear sky days when its absolutly perfect outside? It needs some protection... but anyway... were just another step to the crysis body suit, and then its hello super jump..."

Ya because it is going to be designed that poorly in the first place right? God you`re stupid.

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Male 2,199
lol this idea is ok, but what if it gets wet and short circuits or what if it rusts? are they expecting to use that robot only on clear sky days when its absolutly perfect outside? It needs some protection... but anyway... were just another step to the crysis body suit, and then its hello super jump...
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Male 1,029
halo sucks, CS or DOD way better.
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Agreed. COD 4, for me.
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Male 277
i WANT ONE OF THOSE!! :P also.. reminds me of the suits in Command And Conquer Tiberium Wars where u have special suits which enable like.. super jumps and stuff... 1337 if u ask me.. hah
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Male 98
say hello to master Chief
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Male 113
DAMN! I mean, damn. The future of military is going to be awesome.


Yes, better than Halo 3

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Male 516
(I mena, imagine the speed of workers increased by 10, and their comfortibility, too)
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Male 516
This is great, it has endless potential
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Male 416
Future of combat, with upcoming ghost recon like warvisions like in Ghost recon and exosckeleton`s this could make some pretty kickass marines. It could be increddible usefull for squads, each having 1 exosceleton soldiers for ammunition aid, lifting possilbe obstacles out of the way and using heavy weapons, and the rest get`s command via an commandvision system of some kind and so they work together. Awsome. :)
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Male 149
1. EMP
2. Disease

I think I`ll just sit on the EMP and wait.

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Male 26
i want one of those!
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Male 901
Where can I buy one?

This was probably the most amazing thing I`ve ever seen. AND I`VE SEEN IT ALL MAN!

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Male 111
"You can`t even demonstrate that you have free will to begin with. That`s why we have psychology, because humans react to stimuli pretty predictably. It`s based on how they`re programmed."
You cannot demonstrate either way whether or not we have free will, so do not just assume we don`t. There are arguments both ways and to just say "you can`t demonstrate we have free will" DOES NOT mean we don`t have it. You`re failing to look at the other side of the argument.

And one more thing - humans aren`t `programmed`. Computers are programmed, we can act randomly. I`m not going to start a massive debate on free will but trust me, there is no `right answer` as to whether or not we have it.

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Male 724
" Incidentally, the real issue here is cost. You really think we`re going to see these mass produced? Special forces maybe, but when not all the soldiers in Iraq are being given proper bulletproofed vests (What are they? $2000 tops?), I really doubt we`re going to see them in 100x minimum exoskeletons. "

QFT

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Male 458
i wanted to see some push-ups!!!
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Male 896
One last thing, I agree with Baalthazaq.
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Male 896
Power suit > all other power suits. MC wouldn`t stand a chance against someone from Enclave.
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Male 896
Oh drat yeah! One step closer to having my Power Armor! Then I could take a tank shell to the chest and just keep walking as it a kid hit me with a spit wad.

Advanced Power Armor Mk II, here I come.

PS: A cookie to anyone who has played Fallout and got that reference.

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Male 313
Halo`s Spartan is on the way
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Male 27
Looks a little bit more sophisticated than the big bulky yellow lifter on Aliens ...
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Male 140
"bassstud09
Male, 18-29, Southern US
85 Posts Friday, November 23, 2007 2:56:53 AM
halo sucks, CS or DOD way better.


And these are kick ass!!!

robots cannot ever take over or anything like that either- because we cannot grant free will, we can just randomize functions, or create to respond to stimuli."
OK, 3 things wrong with that.
1. Halo is better then both of those games you mentioned, if you had PLAYED it, then you would have known that.
2. The issue was about an exo-skeleton, which cannot be seen in CS or DOD, but in Halo, Master Chief (The main character) wears one just like this, but enclosed.
3. It is becoming possible to grant robots free will, to allow them to observe the environment around them and perform any action they desire. We can tell them what to do, and we program functions that limit what else they can do, but, even now, it is scientifically possible to grant a robot with free will.

Now to prepare for the oncoming robot re

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Male 888
*weapons sorry
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Male 888
games ftw...soon they will invent the wepaons in every war game! AND vehicles!
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Female 296
1000 characters just isn`t enough for a rant. =D
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Female 296
Oh. Dear.
Many Gundam thoughts are now running through my head. *waves at hyeonkim0805* Now, what was it they said, and it really was a very good point... Oh yeah. War - people = no bloodshed, but war - people also = no meaning. It just becomes a game.
I think this a is a VERY BAD IDEA and I`m not surprised it`s America that`s doing it, either. *sigh* Though, to be fair, pretty much anywhere else would do the same eventually.
My thoughts - we keep computers, scrap any vaugely humanoid robots and anything with supposedly randomised functions, and start to think about getting off our lazy arses and doing stuff OURSELVES. Honestly, when robots take care of everything, what are we going to do? We`ll be bored, not to mention skint `cause we won`t have jobs. ¬_¬ And there`s enough robot!films and robot!books out there to warn us off making stuff like this isn`t there?
Yes, their muscles would waste away if they spent too long in that thing. Which just further adds to th
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Male 2,076
This was, as foreseen by science fiction writers, inevitable.

I`m scared, and most of you should be as well, technology is advancing at incredible speed--at some point we`re going to turn around and discover we aren`t capable of controlling what we`ve created. People should read science fiction more.

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Male 902
I see Baalthazaq is still trying to prod some tards into thinking. Courage I`ll never have.

At this rate though, they should have these exoskeletons looking cool and working better than I can imagine by the time I take over the world. Perfect, my army will destroy you all in your frail human bodies.

I may have to rig up some with flamethrower crotches.

Just because I hate you all.

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Male 667
WoW amazing~ this is like Gundam...
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Male 4,547
"robots cannot ever take over or anything like that either- because we cannot grant free will, we can just randomize functions, or create to respond to stimuli."

Actually at the current rate (and see Moore`s Law for this), we should be able to build a $1000 comp that is more powerful than the human mind. By 2040.

Keep the pattern going, and we`ll be able to build a $1000 computer more powerful than the human race before 2080.

The idea that we can`t give computers "free will" is a joke. You can`t even demonstrate that you have free will to begin with. That`s why we have psychology, because humans react to stimuli pretty predictably. It`s based on how they`re programmed.

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Female 3,562
Best link on IAB in a long time
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Male 192
halo sucks, CS or DOD way better.


And these are kick ass!!!

robots cannot ever take over or anything like that either- because we cannot grant free will, we can just randomize functions, or create to respond to stimuli.

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Female 700
wow... Halo anyone???
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Female 299
This isn`t really a good thing. If people get too dependant on things like this, their muscles will start to get weak.
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Male 4,547
Rcjdude: Actually, if you watch the whole thing they`re making them autonomous too. Do you really think it`s better to be inside something that`s autonomous?

Incidentally, the real issue here is cost. You really think we`re going to see these mass produced? Special forces maybe, but when not all the soldiers in Iraq are being given proper bulletproofed vests (What are they? $2000 tops?), I really doubt we`re going to see them in 100x minimum exoskeletons.

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Male 46
Terminators are robots.. these are people. Kinda like in the pc game crysis.
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Female 648
Didn`t these morons see "The Terminator" movies? This is not a GOOD thing...
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Female 170
War is going to start resembling video games... that`s pretty interesting.
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Female 105
Odd...
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Male 39
Link: Exoskeleton Turns Humans Into Terminators [Rate Link] - An experimental robotic exoskeleton turns grunts into super-soldiers.
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