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Date: 10/02/07 02:16 AM

141 Responses to Dove Onslaught

  1. Profile photo of look215
    look215 Male 18-29
    1084 posts
    October 2, 2007 at 12:57 am
    Link: Dove Onslaught - In case you were wondering why girls have so many body issues.
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    jinxiejae Female 30-39
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    October 2, 2007 at 2:27 am
    i love the dove industry. f**** you skinny ass supermodels!
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    chikoori Female 18-29
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    October 2, 2007 at 2:30 am
    The sound effects when it showed the plastic surgery bit were gross.
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    rpm2004 Male 18-29
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    October 2, 2007 at 2:30 am
    Guys have body issues too but we`re told that we`re not supposed to so it adds a layer of guilt for being "different".

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    CmdrBittles Female 18-29
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    October 2, 2007 at 2:31 am
    I like Dove commercials. I think they`re very well made.
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    10Bears Male 30-39
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    October 2, 2007 at 2:33 am
    surely though Dove are part of the beauty industry too!?
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    PianoMan21 Male 18-29
    315 posts
    October 2, 2007 at 2:38 am
    They must be joking! People can`t be that sensitive. Not a chance. No - wait. I forgot where I was living for a moment.
    Self esteem is about as prevalent as intelligence around here... what a shame.
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    xViTAMiN22 Male 18-29
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    October 2, 2007 at 2:41 am
    Yeah...But how would it be if we all of a sudden stopped editting pictures and videos..?
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    LKJSlain Female 18-29
    648 posts
    October 2, 2007 at 2:41 am
    The difference rpm2004 is that MOST men don`t have an issue with their spouse looking at P0rn on the net when their husband isn`t around. It`s GIRLS who find their cheating BF`S, and husbands looking at all of the "fake" "plastic" "sexualized" CRAP! You`re not going to find MANY (I know their out there, but there is NO comparison) women looking at muscular/FAKE men all day and doing inappropriate acts with themselves while viewing that material. The problem is that women feel that they all HAVE to look that way, because men send the message that we do. Because when we`re not around, all men want is "a size zero with big boobs" ... we`re apparently not enough JUST the way we are... THAT`S the problem. ALSO that women are bombarded by images where-ever they go about "what is appropriate" to be "glamourous" & a "star". Exactly the way this commercial portrayed. You never see a regular woman in hollywood... how do yo
  10. Profile photo of LKJSlain
    LKJSlain Female 18-29
    648 posts
    October 2, 2007 at 2:42 am

    how do you think these 2 things combined (p0rn & ads) mess with our heads?
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    iwcu Male 18-29
    126 posts
    October 2, 2007 at 2:45 am
    LKJSlain: "You never see a regular woman in hollywood"
    Would anyone here seriously want to be one of those attention seeking drug addicts? Normal women always look the best.
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    JaundiceCake Female 18-29
    674 posts
    October 2, 2007 at 2:47 am
    Humans are obsessed with symmetry. Even as babies, we prefer to look at pretty people rather than ugly ones.

    Scary... and sad. I wish we were all on our four legs again with less priorities.

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    Ianislevi Male 18-29
    209 posts
    October 2, 2007 at 2:57 am
    LKJ: Trust me. Us watching p0rn does not make us look at all women like that. I`ll admit, some men are insatiable bastards that look at all women as "below average", but most of us realize that those women we see aren`t actual women. If a Man is dating you, you`re more beautiful than anyone. Don`t try to be like those models. I`m sure that 99% of men would prefer to have sex with someone with skin, flesh, and body heat, than stare at a picture or video. We watch porn because it`s sex, not necessarily because the women are beutiful.
  14. Profile photo of PianoMan21
    PianoMan21 Male 18-29
    315 posts
    October 2, 2007 at 2:59 am
    The fact of the matter is: "pretty" people are - well - pretty. Physical attractiveness is a pretty good springboard for a relationship. Why? Because it`s the first thing we see. Sure, there are people who are beautiful on the inside. But there are also people who look just as good on the outside, and those are what at least most of us strive for. Not as a prize or a trophy, but because it`s what we`re programmed to want.

    Oh, and LKJSlain: "inappropriate acts" - Really?

  15. Profile photo of lockedup
    lockedup Female 18-29
    299 posts
    October 2, 2007 at 3:05 am
    Hey, women have porn addiction too. Are they freaks too? Along with men who have self-image issues?
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    sum41chck911 Female 13-17
    199 posts
    October 2, 2007 at 3:05 am
    i have issues about myself, i really dont like myself at all, but i try to, yet i still cant, sucks.....and dove gave me eczema, but its gone i dont use there stuff anymore...
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    LordJonathan Male 70 & Over
    1348 posts
    October 2, 2007 at 3:19 am
    Heres my take on women: Don`t trust anything that bleeds for days and doesn`t die.
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    extreamh Female 13-17
    251 posts
    October 2, 2007 at 3:21 am
    well its true.im never gona do that!its to painful!
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    jackass681 Male 13-17
    55 posts
    October 2, 2007 at 3:35 am
    god thats stupid. all you girls that let this stuff affect you are stupid.
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    WolfStar Female 18-29
    455 posts
    October 2, 2007 at 4:06 am
    ^^jackass by name, jackass by nature...

    I love Dove ads. They make me happy.

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    Declan191919 Male 13-17
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    October 2, 2007 at 4:10 am
    Hey girls thats what women should look like. If you dont dont bash them lose some weight and get less ugly
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    Declan191919 Male 13-17
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    October 2, 2007 at 4:11 am
    Oh and LordJonathan we all watch family guy
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    catapilrgirl Female 30-39
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    October 2, 2007 at 4:49 am
    i think dove is great and their ads are sooo refreshing when women really do get bombarded everyday with the images like they portrayed. unfortunatly the products themselves usually suck though lol my skin broke out too, sum41.
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    jebler Male 18-29
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    October 2, 2007 at 4:50 am
    masturbating is no more inappropriate then eating a sandwich. girls masturbate to. some girls start masturbating years before boys are physically able if they want to or not. as for the porn ya alot of people watch porn. i cant speak for all men but i wouldnt touch a porn star with a 12 foot pole. i wouldnt want to talk to a porn star on the phone. its fun to watch but most girls in porn look nasty compared to a average girl on the street.

    also the largest collection of porn movies ive ever seen owned by one person belonged to a friends mother.

    if you are saying masturbation is inappropriat because a man has a girl friend/wife so he shouldnt need to get the drat over your self. you probably broke up with some guy cause you couldnt see past your insecuritys and understand that him masturbating wile watching porn has nothing to do with your or your relationship with him and became bitter over it.

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    lorddalvidii Male 13-17
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    October 2, 2007 at 4:59 am
    very well made; i hate fashion
  26. Profile photo of R_U_Kidding
    R_U_Kidding Male 18-29
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    October 2, 2007 at 5:01 am
    Hey, I`ll admit to having body issues. Hell, comparing myself to the Alleged Male Ideal is a depressingly daily ritual.

    FYI, jackass681 and Declan191919: Good luck ever getting laid. Without paying cash up-front, anyway.

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    loljessifa Female 18-29
    264 posts
    October 2, 2007 at 5:41 am
    I really like the dove adverts.
    They make you feel better about having a belly and lumpy bits.
    I don`t like my body, personally, but i don`t really care. I have a boyfriend who loves me for me, regardless of if i`m slim (Like i was last year) or have a belly (Like now).
  28. Profile photo of unknownbeing
    unknownbeing Male 13-17
    298 posts
    October 2, 2007 at 5:45 am
    for a minute i thought it was a screamer at the start lol cuz you saw some girl doing nothing and then hear, " here it cooooomes, here it coooooomes!"
  29. Profile photo of manorrd
    manorrd Male 30-39
    2372 posts
    October 2, 2007 at 6:08 am
    Ha ha.

    LKJSlain...sounds like your head has been well and truly "messed with"!

  30. Profile photo of sponn
    sponn Female 18-29
    53 posts
    October 2, 2007 at 6:17 am
    So all this is the fault of men, and porn, and ads?

    Gee, I think girls are responsible for a lot of these problems all by themselves. It`s always easy to point the finger, isn`t it.

    Either way, cool ad. I like the message!

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    Kateness777 Female 18-29
    36 posts
    October 2, 2007 at 6:44 am
    Declan191919: You`re being sarcastic, right? You HAVE to be, right? Because if you`re not...well, I think R_U_Kidding said it best.:P
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    tgirl149 Female 13-17
    525 posts
    October 2, 2007 at 7:15 am
    women arent even naturally blonde anymore, they bleach their hair, and they can get colored eye contacts to get prettier eyes, etc. Stupid women are all processed now =[
  33. Profile photo of Ditas
    Ditas Female 18-29
    313 posts
    October 2, 2007 at 8:08 am
    no sponn, there are a lot of causes for being insecure. Like having a friend who is naturally skinny with big boobs... when you`re out with her, boys only notice her, not you. also some girls are born already insecure, they never feel good enough. But then, there are so many natural things that happen during our lives that tv hides and tries to make them look bad... For example, having acne,growing curves, sexuality... I think that we should only blame tv adverts and people who agree with them.(boys AND girls)
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    Ditas Female 18-29
    313 posts
    October 2, 2007 at 8:12 am
    And yes, women masturbate and watch porn too! this just reminded me of a friend(male) who asked me if girls farted and burped... -.- LOL
  35. Profile photo of pui
    pui Female 18-29
    3575 posts
    October 2, 2007 at 8:38 am
    I think masturbation is great

    I think porn is not.

    porn does not equal masterbation.

  36. Profile photo of pui
    pui Female 18-29
    3575 posts
    October 2, 2007 at 8:44 am
    Plus this video is more just about the general media, not the porn industry. Everywhere women look there seems to be this need to be "thinner, leaner, tighter, softer". Someone or something is always telling you that you need to be this and and that... mostly they tell you this just so you will their buy products, but it still does damage on self esteem and body image.
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    x13purplesta Female 30-39
    235 posts
    October 2, 2007 at 9:05 am
    As a woman with a young daughter, I am well aware of what messages she is getting. I try to focus on health, kindness and brains rather than looks but I still have people telling her "You`re so pretty" "Your hair is beautiful...so curly" and I always have to add "and she likes math" or something so she will not be focused on looks. If you are born pretty or beautiful, good for you. Just be something more.
    PS..I love the sites where you can see the `before` airbrushing shots. That helps to prove that looks can be decieving.
  38. Profile photo of patchouly
    patchouly Male 40-49
    4746 posts
    October 2, 2007 at 9:12 am
    These commercials are great. Women need to regain their self-esteem. Nothing is worse then a person who has lost their self-esteem.

    I`m married now, but if I were still single, I`d rather go out with a "real" person then one of those fake bimbos any day. A lot of guys feel that way.

    Feel good about yourself for who you are and don`t let anyone try to take that away from you.

  39. Profile photo of BabiiGirl93
    BabiiGirl93 Female 13-17
    441 posts
    October 2, 2007 at 10:16 am
    I luvv these commercials...I have always thought i wuz ugly...cuz i pretty much am compared 2 da beautiful people i seen on tv.kudos to dove for trying 2 make a difference but the way i look at myself isnt gonna change but hopefully it will 4 sum1 else
  40. Profile photo of Itsdude56
    Itsdude56 Male 13-17
    889 posts
    October 2, 2007 at 10:24 am
    body modification - sick
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    envyrain Female 18-29
    155 posts
    October 2, 2007 at 10:46 am
    This commercial is great. I`m feel very strongly about things like this and I would like to become some kind of spokesperson on unrealistic body images and eating disorders. I`ve had friends with anorexia and I never could understand it. The things they do with ads are ridiculous and I just want girls to be able to love and flaunt their bodies. There`s always going to be a man out there that loves the exact body type that you have. But you have to love it first.

    However, when it comes to p0rn, I have absolutely nothing against it. I watch it, but I certainly don`t watch it for the women or (definitely not) the men, I watch it because it`s sex. Sex is fun to watch. And of course there are guys who become addicted and can`t have a good relationship, but I did an experiment in my Psych class and found that guys who watched porn in moderation had the longest lasting and most successful relationships. So there you go.

  42. Profile photo of Moenkie
    Moenkie Male 18-29
    312 posts
    October 2, 2007 at 10:48 am
    As much as Dove likes to act like it`s not part of the beauty companies, it is, but this video does make a great point, and regardless of what Dove`s angle might be, they make a great point.
  43. Profile photo of Ani187
    Ani187 Female 30-39
    4448 posts
    October 2, 2007 at 10:53 am
    That commercial made me feel bad.... Thanks Dove. Jerks, making me self conscious.
  44. Profile photo of ZenDragon
    ZenDragon Female 18-29
    229 posts
    October 2, 2007 at 10:59 am
    I don`t care if a person`s nose is crooked, but if she`s overweight, that`s a health problem.
  45. Profile photo of bobrocks665
    bobrocks665 Female 70 & Over
    21 posts
    October 2, 2007 at 11:06 am
    Looks aren`t everything. If they were, ugly people wouldn`t get married.
  46. Profile photo of tayreed
    tayreed Male 13-17
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    October 2, 2007 at 11:08 am
    Kudos to Patchouley. Well said!
    ;-)
  47. Profile photo of tayreed
    tayreed Male 13-17
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    October 2, 2007 at 11:10 am
    i realize that im not the best looking guy in the world (lol), but it doesnt really matter. Someone will love me for who i am, not for the image that I portray..
  48. Profile photo of tayreed
    tayreed Male 13-17
    243 posts
    October 2, 2007 at 11:11 am
    do you concur?
  49. Profile photo of GothicQueen
    GothicQueen Male 13-17
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    October 2, 2007 at 11:54 am
    i love this ad because it is so true. I`m losing weight now though (i even have a waist line now!) but the hard thing is keeping your priorites straight. Like losing weight for health and not just for looks.

    It`s just difficult for woman these days because you have commercials, infomercials, and ads on billboards, in magazines, in newspapers, online, on buses, on the radio telling woman that they NEED to have tight skin, they NEED to be wrinkle free, they NEED to be a size 5, they NEED to have fuller lips, they NEED to have big boobs, they NEED to be tan, they NEED to have a small nose, they NEED to have a flat stomach, they NEED to have baby smoothe skin and the list goes on and on and on. and if you don`t have ANY of these things you will NEVER find love, you will NEVER be happy, you will NEVER have a good life.

    I understand its hard for guys in certain ways but you will never understand how much more difficult it is for us woman

  50. Profile photo of paigan
    paigan Female 18-29
    66 posts
    October 2, 2007 at 12:17 pm
    that was a pretty awesome add. i like how it didnt just focus on the skinny/overweight thing
  51. Profile photo of bigfatpig
    bigfatpig Male 18-29
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    October 2, 2007 at 12:33 pm
    I`ve never known a bloke to say `does my stomach look big in this? Just f*cking get over it. If you have self confidence issues, KEEP THEM TO YOURSELF BECAUSE IT IS SOOOOOO BORING. If you`re fat and you dont like it, F*CKING DIET FATTY!!! -and stop whinging about how there are pictures of slim girls everywhere. No one is going to advertise, lets say, a shampoo by showing a big fat sweaty minger washing it`s hair. It doesn`t take much to stay in reasonable shape and look after yourself a bit. The moral is, if you can`t even manage/be bothered to do that, then you are probably not capable/bothered to do much else. (in my experience this is generally true). You get out what you put into life. If you want to sit on the sofa all day eating pies and drinking coke, dont moan when you see an ad featuring someone that eats healthy and gets down the gym once in a while. Oh, and if you`re `normal` but just unhappy with yourself, go get some f*cking therapy and stop moaning.
  52. Profile photo of MuseofSatie
    MuseofSatie Female 18-29
    67 posts
    October 2, 2007 at 12:48 pm
    "Gee, I think girls are responsible for a lot of these problems all by themselves. It`s always easy to point the finger, isn`t it."

    Agreed. Women create most of the problems that they project on men.

    I have my moments of insecurity. I only recently (in the past four years) became comfortable with how I look and accepted the fact that I`m attractive, but no amount of ads featuring supermodels is going to change that for me.

  53. Profile photo of pui
    pui Female 18-29
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    October 2, 2007 at 12:59 pm
    bigfatpig, the name suits you well.

    The truth is though that the women shown in these commercials are NOT AVERAGE, NOR NORMAL. The average model is 5`8", 120 lbs and has a BMI of 18 or less. The AVERAGE WOMAN is 5`4", 120-145 lbs and has a BMI between 18.5 and 24.5. The average is the definition of "healthy", the models are the definition of beauty.

    This shows that there is a lie going on in the media. The media makes it look like these models ARE the norm when it is IMPOSSIBLE to look like that.

    THAT is where the problem is.

  54. Profile photo of Ditas
    Ditas Female 18-29
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    October 2, 2007 at 1:03 pm
    pui :
    well said, i couldn`t have said it better :-)
  55. Profile photo of almightybob1
    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    October 2, 2007 at 1:15 pm
    No need to get nasty, pui. It`s people calling other people big fat pigs that causes issues!

    Some people are more susceptible to peer pressure than others, and some people have lower self-esteem than others. If you are, you`re not going to be satisfied no matter how hot you look. And let`s be honest, there`s not many things more unattractive than low self-esteem. Who cares what people in adverts look like? You never see a fat ugly Calvin Klein model, but it doesn`t make me think that every other guy apart from me looks like one, because I can use my eyes and see other people around me.

  56. Profile photo of pui
    pui Female 18-29
    3575 posts
    October 2, 2007 at 1:18 pm
    he called himself a big fat pig. And I was hardly as nasty as HE was.
  57. Profile photo of AnneBonney
    AnneBonney Female 18-29
    107 posts
    October 2, 2007 at 1:24 pm
    I would just like to point out that fat does not equal unhealthy. People (women especially) require fat to function properly. Yo-yo dieting is the REAL cause of death when it comes to obesity issues. I know several women who fit into the `obese` category who are as healthy as any other woman, because they don`t diet.
  58. Profile photo of almightybob1
    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    October 2, 2007 at 1:36 pm
    I know pui, I was only joking :)
  59. Profile photo of Grossen
    Grossen Male 18-29
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    October 2, 2007 at 1:47 pm
    Yep...that`s modern advertisements using sex as a selling point. I know a girl who actually does look like one of those models (but isn`t a model...and she`s quite crazy, but in a good way). So, it`s not impossible to look that way; you just have to be BORN that way. The fact of the matter is that people don`t realize their genetics play a big part in how they are going to look as they age and develop. People who are most susceptible to these beautifiers and slimming product ads are people who are either not aware that they can`t look perfect, or people who look fine and just can`t tolerate that they aren`t the ones in the ad. I know that not everyone can look perfect. I know that I cannot look perfect. I know that the models can`t look perfect! Most of what you see in those ads is airbrushing, be it of shape correction, skin-tone, or freckles (I think freckles are hot). The best we can do is take care of ourselves, and feel good about who we are. Stop pointing the finger...
  60. Profile photo of Grossen
    Grossen Male 18-29
    455 posts
    October 2, 2007 at 1:48 pm
    ...at outside sources. Don`t shift the blame, just forge on and be a good person.
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    Robinski9 Female 30-39
    67 posts
    October 2, 2007 at 1:51 pm
    Two reactions to this. First, I have a 10 month old daughter and was thinking of a tummy tuck later but maybe I won`t now. I don`t want her to be obsessed with her appeance. Second, Dove is still just trying to sell us crap but using reverse psychology. They`re actually making us feel back about feeling bad about ourselves, if that makes sense.
  62. Profile photo of Willowpuff
    Willowpuff Female 18-29
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    October 2, 2007 at 1:55 pm
    Hear hear.
  63. Profile photo of PianoMan21
    PianoMan21 Male 18-29
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    October 2, 2007 at 2:08 pm
    bigfatpig is right. There`s a point when one must own up for their own actions. I see ads of attractive men. I`d rank myself as a solid average or slightly better. But, then again, I have very good self esteem - almost narcissism. These ads don`t make me look at myself and develop a complex. Many women are buying into the mentality that BECAUSE they`re women, they need to be affected by these "fake" women. Well, to those who say these women don`t exist, I`d like to ask you exactly who is in the ad. They do exist. You`re jealous. And you don`t have the self esteem to know that you can win the world over without changing a thing but your attitude. The catch - doing that goes against all that you`ve been taught to stand for. Way to play to stereotypes, most women.
  64. Profile photo of Dodo-
    Dodo- Male 18-29
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    October 2, 2007 at 2:13 pm
    strong message
  65. Profile photo of pui
    pui Female 18-29
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    October 2, 2007 at 2:27 pm
    k :)
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    bigfatpig Male 18-29
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    October 2, 2007 at 2:42 pm
    pui `he called himself a big fat pig. And I was hardly as nasty as HE was.`

    Ha ha ha, some people are UN-BELIEVABLE!! This whole comment page is making me laugh.

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    bigfatpig Male 18-29
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    October 2, 2007 at 2:43 pm
    By the way, pui, you look really pretty but sound really dull. Now THATS the norm.
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    letsgopoping Male 18-29
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    October 2, 2007 at 3:10 pm
    amazing...
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    crazymagemia Female 18-29
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    October 2, 2007 at 3:18 pm
    may i just add:
    size zero is icky. :-)
  70. Profile photo of AnneBonney
    AnneBonney Female 18-29
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    October 2, 2007 at 3:30 pm
    @ Pianoman: Tell me, if someone says to you, every single day from the day you are born, "You are ugly. No one will love you unless you are pretty. You have no value unless you are thin. You are completely imperfect." will you grow up to believe it? I know the answer to be yes. Any girl who has stared at the diet pill shelf at Wal-Mart knows what I am talking about. The message that girls recieve from DAY 1 is that we need to be `fixed` in order to gain love, success, money...anything. Do I know this to be a fallacy? Absolutely. It took me 17 something years to gain control over that little voice in the back of my head, but I finally feel like I can love myself.

    There is no one to blame, no fingers to point. The structure of modern western society inherently favors men. Woo hoo. The saddest part about the beauty industry is, IMHO, how it drives women apart. Girls, we are the ones who can change this. But we have to work together.

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    AnneBonney Female 18-29
    107 posts
    October 2, 2007 at 3:33 pm
    "How to begin? Let`s be shameless. Be greedy. Pursue pleasure. Avoid pain. Wear and touch and eat and drink what we feel like. Tolerate other women`s choices. Seek out sex we do want and fight fiercely against sex we do not want. Choose our own causes. And once we break through and change the rules so our sense of our own beauty cannot be shaken, sing that beauty and dress it up and flaunt it and revel in it: In sensual politics, female is beautiful."
    -Naomi Wolf, The Beauty Myth
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    pikkutiikeri Female 18-29
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    October 2, 2007 at 3:53 pm
    About the women in the ads, in case you didn`t know, PHOTOSHOPPED! The supermodels are skinny though but they aren`t healthy. Or even fertile for that matter. I know all this, but still I compare myself to those freaks every day, because all I`ve heard all my life is how you have to be skinny and pretty and young to succeed in life. No one ever loves the smart but plain girl.

    Take a look at movies or TV. 99% of famous and succesful women are beautiful stick insects. Only a few manage to keep their career when they age and become flabby. And men then? Old men can have great careers! If you look at some of the most celebrated male actors (Jack Nicolson and Robert DeNiro and Harvey Keitel and so forth and so on) they are hardly the pictures of youth and health.

  73. Profile photo of hannah_h
    hannah_h Female 13-17
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    October 2, 2007 at 3:53 pm
    I liked the song, what`s it called?
  74. Profile photo of PianoMan21
    PianoMan21 Male 18-29
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    October 2, 2007 at 3:53 pm
    AnneBonney:
    Please. All it takes is the tiniest hint of self respect and anyone - even women - can get that they aren`t being told to be the ad. They are told the product will help them enhance what they have. I see advertising for makeup and the message I see is "enhance yourself." It doesn`t say "better yourself" or "cover up yourself." They use attractive women, because that`s what women want to be. Of course, the problem begins that most women are never satisfied with themselves to begin with. And it`s not because of advertising, but from the stereotypical portrait if insecurity in women permeating the social construct.
    Do you know how these companies make money? They play off of insecurity. They don`t have to say you`re not pretty enough. You say it for them. I said before, I admire the attractiveness of some men, but it doesn`t make me see myself any less than what I am, which in my eyes is pretty damn perfect.
    Cont`d...
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    PianoMan21 Male 18-29
    315 posts
    October 2, 2007 at 3:56 pm
    Cont`d from previous.
    If women were to employ as much self respect and self esteem as they did self deprecation, there wouldn`t be a standard of attractiveness. No one makes you don your bustle and corset. Hell, no one makes you anything except worry about yourselves. You don`t even need the someone else to do that! I know plenty of women who have heads on their shoulders and couldn`t care less how "pretty" someone thinks they are, because they know they`re beautiful to themselves. And although people like you constantly stress "that`s all that matters," it`s quite clear that the opposite holds more ground to you than you`d ever let on.
  76. Profile photo of RecycleElf
    RecycleElf Male 18-29
    3622 posts
    October 2, 2007 at 4:06 pm
    *applouds* *whistles* *applouds some more*
  77. Profile photo of AnneBonney
    AnneBonney Female 18-29
    107 posts
    October 2, 2007 at 4:12 pm
    Did you even finish reading my post? I was pointing out a cultural phenomenon that many women (not just myself) experience.

    Furthermore, the ultimate point I tried to make (which you seemed to miss) is that women must take it upon ourselves to change standards. We should accept responsibility for our feelings of inadequacy, we should recognize that we are 100% responsible for how we feel and how we respond to the media circus. That is how change will happen.

    (I don`t want to argue sociological theory with you, because I`m pretty sure that would get nowhere. But the influence of society is pretty damn strong, and difficult to ignore. Oh, and when did I say the media MAKES women do things?

  78. Profile photo of clockwork208
    clockwork208 Male 30-39
    835 posts
    October 2, 2007 at 4:19 pm
    Women are just as much to blame, if they let low self-esteem make their decisions for them.

    Sheesh. Show me a real man and I`ll show you someone who wants a real woman.

    Morons.

  79. Profile photo of PianoMan21
    PianoMan21 Male 18-29
    315 posts
    October 2, 2007 at 4:27 pm
    AB:
    What you said was that Western culture favors men and it`s up to women to "work together" to "change this."
    You also stated that "every girl who has stared at the diet pill shelf" should know what you are talking about. You actually used the very stereotype I cited as the problem here. I comprehended your post just fine.

    And sociological theory is the bedrock of this entire debate. You said "the influence of society is pretty damn strong, and difficult to ignore." That`s sociological theory.
    Oh, and you didn`t say the media makes women do things. I did.

  80. Profile photo of psychostacey
    psychostacey Female 13-17
    18 posts
    October 2, 2007 at 4:51 pm
    I love these dove adverts and use dove products everyday, not just because of the positive message, but I also think they are good quality. Has anyone seen the dove ad where they start with an average girl and show all the processes of hair, makeup and digital alteration before her photo on the bill board at the end.

    My friend made an interesting comment the other day. She saw one of the photos it a magazine and said "I hate these adverts, they make me feel like a freak". My friend is naturally v.slim (UK size 6 are too big for her) and very beautiful. I think she realised how regular adverts make me and and my other friends feel everyday.

  81. Profile photo of HaruHaru
    HaruHaru Female 13-17
    1066 posts
    October 2, 2007 at 4:52 pm
    Go Dove.

    but really, people aren`t going to change anytime soon.. we`re all screwed over unless we find it in ourselves to get over all the hype in the media.. We`re the only ones who can change it within ourselves, not always other people..

    ATLEAST THEY`RE TRYING.

  82. Profile photo of mindtrap115
    mindtrap115 Female 13-17
    3 posts
    October 2, 2007 at 5:15 pm
    I really don`t think it`s guys telling us we should look like this. instead, it`s women telling us that we have to look like this because thats what guys will want. And when these are the kind of messages we get from a very young age, it`s no wonder girls become so insecure.
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    HoneyBaby62 Female 13-17
    273 posts
    October 2, 2007 at 6:22 pm
    That was pretty touching.
  84. Profile photo of bigfatpig
    bigfatpig Male 18-29
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    October 2, 2007 at 6:23 pm
    Almost every girl i have known has been insecure about something. Girls, great to shag, but you really should avoid talking to them too much, it will only annoy you.
  85. Profile photo of waty
    waty Male 30-39
    18 posts
    October 2, 2007 at 6:23 pm
    Dude, the chicks in that add were totally hot!!
  86. Profile photo of wtfneonazis
    wtfneonazis Male 13-17
    37 posts
    October 2, 2007 at 6:27 pm
    Obesity is a much bigger problem then anorexia (at least in the u.s, I don`t see why we shouldn`t put pressure on women to be thin, it could save lives. Plus it is not the media which makes the culture, those magazines would never have sold in the first place if women were not naturally concerned with their body image. These Dove ads mainly provide obese women righteous indignation and excuses for not working to drop to a healthy weight.
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    bigfatpig Male 18-29
    352 posts
    October 2, 2007 at 6:29 pm
    ^^ "Obesity is a much bigger problem then anorexia "


    .....Well it would be, wouldn`t it.

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    swtdreams285 Female 18-29
    1408 posts
    October 2, 2007 at 6:37 pm
    Even better than the last Dove ad. Great work!
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    mntsfam Female 13-17
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    October 2, 2007 at 6:51 pm
    jinxiejae i agree
  90. Profile photo of insanepirate
    insanepirate Female 18-29
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    October 2, 2007 at 7:08 pm
    I love Dove products, and these advertisements make me love them more.
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    mntsfam Female 13-17
    197 posts
    October 2, 2007 at 7:09 pm
    jinxiejae i agree
  92. Profile photo of MuseofSatie
    MuseofSatie Female 18-29
    67 posts
    October 2, 2007 at 7:30 pm
    Again, what`s with people seemingly being unable to believe that SKINNY, HEALTHY GIRLS DO EXIST? Yes, the average weight for North American women now is between 140 and 160 (not 125 and 145). However, just because someone`s genetic makeup has them hover right around the 110 area (while being, say, 5`6", in my case) doesn`t mean that they`re a freak or that they`re unhealthy and/or starving themselves.

    Just because you`re not necessarily one of the super skinny, "not normal" people doesn`t mean that they don`t exist.

  93. Profile photo of SilentxEm
    SilentxEm Female 60-69
    670 posts
    October 2, 2007 at 7:34 pm
    "Humans are obsessed with symmetry. Even as babies, we prefer to look at pretty people rather than ugly ones."
    It`s more about simplicity than beauty. And there`s been a study that people with higher IQs find a wider variety of people attractive.
    "masturbating is no more inappropriate then eating a sandwich."
    I must agree. Honestly, I don`t get the whole getting mad over your boyfriend looking at porn. It`s in their DNA to `procreate` with as many people as possible. Wouldn`t you rather them just jack-off than actually cheat?
    And yes, men have body-image problems, too. But I think women are more pressured to be like models than men. You see more `ugly` male actors than `ugly` female actors (or actresses,if you prefer).
    And lastly, I do like the ad. I think that diversity amongst women is so much more attractive than us all looking the same. Same for men.
  94. Profile photo of fliGhtRisk
    fliGhtRisk Female 18-29
    1 post
    October 2, 2007 at 7:36 pm
    I agree with wtfneonazis. I feel like these ads make women think that it`s ok to stop caring about their weight. I`m not saying that they should try to emulate runway models... it`s not about trying to be someone else. Regardless of our own biological limitations, we should all strive to be as healthy and fit as possible. It seems like Dove is trying to tell overweight women that being slim is wrong. Most skinny girls are naturally that way. Anorexics are not the majority by far. How is negatively targeting a different group of people helping the body image problem at all? I hate these ads. I no longer purchase Dove products.
  95. Profile photo of ballin462
    ballin462 Male 13-17
    61 posts
    October 2, 2007 at 7:59 pm
    i was going out with a girl last year who was 85 pounds. i got some sliders with her and i ordered fries. i gave her a burger and she said she wasn`t hungry anymore. so, i go "how bout fries?". she takes them. l8r @ my house, we were watching a movie and a fry fell out of her pocket. she hid all the fries in her pocket. i noticed. she was obsessed with vogue magazine, etc.

    bottom line, media affects you

  96. Profile photo of ballin462
    ballin462 Male 13-17
    61 posts
    October 2, 2007 at 8:02 pm
    god... we were only 12
  97. Profile photo of MuseofSatie
    MuseofSatie Female 18-29
    67 posts
    October 2, 2007 at 8:11 pm
    How does a 12 year-old even lift a copy of Vogue? Not to mention it`s an incredibly dull magazine, especially when compared to other ones more geared towards teenagers/preteens (CosmoGirl, Seventeen, etc).
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    Blakcat71388 Female 18-29
    876 posts
    October 2, 2007 at 8:41 pm
    That was soooo good. ^^
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    ImNoGod Male 18-29
    1149 posts
    October 2, 2007 at 8:46 pm
    lame...
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    shiggin Female 13-17
    1470 posts
    October 2, 2007 at 9:26 pm
    Dove is a part of the Media, even though they have these comercials, I still see comercials with skinny beautiful girls.
    There just trying to get more busness because they want to do "Good things"
  101. Profile photo of AnneBonney
    AnneBonney Female 18-29
    107 posts
    October 2, 2007 at 9:40 pm
    BEING THIN AND BEING HEALTHY ARE NOT THE SAME DAMN THING!!!!!

    Now that I have that off my chest...

    I don`t know where those of you who say that Dove is promoting obesity got that, but I guarantee that is NOT the point of their ads. ALSO, the ideal present in media is not healthy. Being so thin your bones stick out is NOT healthy. Being overweight is not healthy either, I would never advocate obesity. But dieting dangerously, getting surgery, taking pills, going on extreme starvation diets...these things are not healthy either. Beauty at any cost, thinness at any cost is NOT health.

    (Unless you`re part of the 10% of people who just look like that. I`m not talking to you. I know what it is to have friends say "jokingly" `I hate you` just because you can`t seem to gain any weight no matter what you try.)

  102. Profile photo of GothicQueen
    GothicQueen Male 13-17
    4376 posts
    October 2, 2007 at 10:28 pm
    the sad thing about the media is that i used to be anorexic when i was around 12 and sometimes i look back and think that it was the happiest time of my life. I had to wear a double zero, every thing i put on fit me but i was always cold, my hair was thin, and i was getting bed sores on my shoulders from the bone rubbing against me. i was 5`5 and 98lbs. but like i said im learning now to be healthy not just to be "beautiful"
  103. Profile photo of BroadwayLove
    BroadwayLove Female 18-29
    187 posts
    October 2, 2007 at 10:36 pm
    The problem is not simple. there are several reasons why women struggle with weight and beauty issues.

    1. In our society, to be thin is to be healthy and is synonymous with beauty. It`s projected at us everywhere. By older women when we are small, by boys and later men, by tv ads, by supermodels, by people who notice especially thin people, etc, etc.

    2. Dieting is addictive. it makes you feel good. Therefore, once begun, it is a very difficult habit to break.

    3 Around the time we are 12, we put on about 10 pounds, usually in the belly, thighs, butt, and breasts. Girls are suddenly MUCH bigger than they are used to. This messes with our heads so we think we are getting fat when we are not.


    Oh and btw, (this was bothering me) Girls do not masturbate "years before boys are capable." Boys masturbate as babies. They begin before girls by a few months. Ever heard of penis clutching. It`s common in toddlers and is simply baby masturbation.

  104. Profile photo of Bekll
    Bekll Female 18-29
    1984 posts
    October 2, 2007 at 11:04 pm
    Um... my parents never talked to me about this sort of thing. And guess freakin` what? I don`t get sucked into this stuff and I ahev VERY high self esteem!

  105. Profile photo of Kureifox
    Kureifox Male 18-29
    18 posts
    October 2, 2007 at 11:06 pm
    BroadwayLove, I think what he meant was that boys are technically "incapable" of masturbating in their younger years as they have not created any sperm yet, and masturbation is usually considered masturbation when ejaculation can occur.

    As for the baby thing, i`m not so sure they know what they`re doing and i`m pretty sure that sex is not on their minds.

    Either way, this commercial was interesting, reminded me a lot of those anti drug stuff and etc. This is technically a very pressing issue in america as many girls suffer from anorexia and belemia because of peer pressure or from stuff like beauty ads.

  106. Profile photo of teiso
    teiso Female 18-29
    674 posts
    October 2, 2007 at 11:09 pm
    "Um... my parents never talked to me about this sort of thing. And guess freakin` what? I don`t get sucked into this stuff and I ahev VERY high self esteem!"

    Good for you. But not everyone is you.

  107. Profile photo of thats_nifty
    thats_nifty Female 13-17
    416 posts
    October 2, 2007 at 11:10 pm
    I love these commercials! they make me happy. :)

    oh, and how did this vid get turned into a discussion about masterbation? a bit random don`t you think?

  108. Profile photo of AmyNicoleduh
    AmyNicoleduh Female 18-29
    1158 posts
    October 2, 2007 at 11:22 pm
    Patchouley = <3 Seriously.
  109. Profile photo of Suicism
    Suicism Male 18-29
    3625 posts
    October 2, 2007 at 11:29 pm
    I`ve said this before and I`ll say it again: if you want to stop the onslaught, you have to stop buying-into it first! The only reason it`s there is because, through the product-market, you display INTEREST in what celebrities are doing, what they are wearing, who they are going out with, and how much weight they`ve gained or lost. You prop-up the beauty industry by 1st of all CARING or taking to heart what it presents to you, and secondly by mindlessly supporting the tabloid/celeb industry! MOST of the men I see in television are portrayed in a way which DISGUSTS me, so I reject it! I don`t submit to it! A good parallel to this would be every guy shelling out thousands and overworking his body to the point of injury to become like the BOWFLEX guy. Do we do that? No. Do we complain about the very EXISTENCE of a bowflex guy? No, we just don`t buy a Bowflex if we can`t afford it or if we can, use it in a way that corresponds with our needs/objectives as an individual.
  110. Profile photo of Suicism
    Suicism Male 18-29
    3625 posts
    October 2, 2007 at 11:30 pm
    It`s great that Dove wants to prop-up the average woman`s self-esteem. It`s a noble campaign, but I believe that responsibility can only FUNDAMENTALLY fall on the shoulders of each individual woman; the same women who, ironically, should stop getting OFFENDED when I inform them that they don`t need to wear so much makeup in order to be beautiful -

    DUH!

  111. Profile photo of Lord_Savior
    Lord_Savior Male 18-29
    177 posts
    October 3, 2007 at 12:34 am
    LKJSlain, bullpoo like this is becoming about as abundant in America like broken dreams in Vietnam. Your acting like your 3 years old and are actually succeptable to this. If you *know* that thats not the way a woman really looks, geusstf what? Thats *not* what a woman typically looks like :O ::Ding Ding Ding!::. Dont act like are being abused, if clearly your demonstrating the knowledge that shields you from such marketing.
    Also, what exactly is inapropriate about choking the chicken? Is it not an act man, and animal, has been doing since having the means to do so? Do you realize how many more rapes and molestation there would be without a way to exert a very natural want? Please, ***please***, consider what your saying, or atleast re-read your posts before actually posting it for the world to see.
  112. Profile photo of totzz
    totzz Female 13-17
    75 posts
    October 3, 2007 at 12:43 am
    i love how dove is encouraging young girls not to focus on a perfect body.
    loved the ad!
  113. Profile photo of VictoryRider
    VictoryRider Male 40-49
    1461 posts
    October 3, 2007 at 12:47 am
    Not a bad idea. It seems it might help some from feeling the need to fit the stereotype that the media tries to create for teen girls and women.
  114. Profile photo of unreedemed
    unreedemed Male 13-17
    546 posts
    October 3, 2007 at 1:05 am
    Clever. I likey dat.
  115. Profile photo of wtfneonazis
    wtfneonazis Male 13-17
    37 posts
    October 3, 2007 at 1:12 am
    The media does not create the stereotype (most of the time), people do, the media just reflects it.
  116. Profile photo of VictoryRider
    VictoryRider Male 40-49
    1461 posts
    October 3, 2007 at 1:18 am
    On 10/3/2007 1:12:40 AM wtfneonazis wrote: The media does not create the stereotype (most of the time), people do, the media just reflects it.

    I disagree, the media tries to tell us how to look and what to wear, they even change that up whenever they can to keep selling stuff...and it works.

  117. Profile photo of sum41chck911
    sum41chck911 Female 13-17
    199 posts
    October 3, 2007 at 1:59 am
    i have to say, this is a good commercial, but i still am self conscious about myself, i do see other girls my age and i see what features they have that are better than mine, but then again i should be i guess, but i still do :)
  118. Profile photo of sum41chck911
    sum41chck911 Female 13-17
    199 posts
    October 3, 2007 at 2:00 am
    mistake.... i meant i "shouldnt be" :)
  119. Profile photo of Suicism
    Suicism Male 18-29
    3625 posts
    October 3, 2007 at 2:13 am
    ^ You know, you can always copy your last post, paste it into the field at the bottom, fix what needs to be changed, repost it and delete your old one (making sure no one has posted since); that way, you don`t need to waste time making these needless corrections later.
  120. Profile photo of vancouverite
    vancouverite Female 18-29
    250 posts
    October 3, 2007 at 2:40 am
    2 words: good add
  121. Profile photo of gilderof
    gilderof Female 18-29
    375 posts
    October 3, 2007 at 5:13 am
    Geez, what`s up with everyone today?! Arguments are flying left, right and centre. I think everyone needs to take a deep breath lol.

    I think the Dove ads are great, because I`m sick of hearing about size 0 models making themselves ill with bulimia and anorexia etc., eating less than 500 calories a day and things like that. There`s no way our kids should be exposed to that.

  122. Profile photo of wolfio
    wolfio Male 18-29
    90 posts
    October 3, 2007 at 7:54 am
    as motley crue once sang "girls girls girls"
  123. Profile photo of AnneBonney
    AnneBonney Female 18-29
    107 posts
    October 3, 2007 at 8:38 am
    How sweet and condescending, wolfio, thank you.

    Girls: Everyone read The Beauty Myth, by Naomi Wolf. It`s an amazing text. It`ll piss you off, but in the good way. Also, researching the development of standards for women isn`t a bad idea. Knowing how we were expected to behave in ages past helps us to understand today`s expectations.

  124. Profile photo of khendri3
    khendri3 Female 18-29
    34 posts
    October 3, 2007 at 9:30 am
    i liked this a lot... dove`s campaign for real beauty is pretty amazing
  125. Profile photo of Sco_Thistle
    Sco_Thistle Female 18-29
    59 posts
    October 3, 2007 at 12:23 pm
    "Obesity is a much bigger problem then anorexia "
    .....Well it would be, wouldn`t it."

    Lmao...good one! But anyways...yeah great commercial.

    Whenever I used to feel "below average" I listened to the song "Just Be" by Tiesto. At least read over the lyrics and think about them ladies (and guys)...they`re very true.

    that`s all... :)

  126. Profile photo of gorgack2000
    gorgack2000 Male 13-17
    4683 posts
    October 3, 2007 at 12:31 pm
    Do you reckon they aired this in Hollywood?
  127. Profile photo of Sco_Thistle
    Sco_Thistle Female 18-29
    59 posts
    October 3, 2007 at 2:37 pm
    Haha...probably...but would they pay attention to it?...nope. :) Oh well. lol
  128. Profile photo of Gunit1
    Gunit1 Female 13-17
    851 posts
    October 3, 2007 at 3:59 pm
    Well, it`s true....... and that`s sad.
  129. Profile photo of DudeGuy
    DudeGuy Male 13-17
    211 posts
    October 3, 2007 at 4:57 pm
    good on dove, it`sa good idea.
  130. Profile photo of LochNess-Abz
    LochNess-Abz Female 13-17
    815 posts
    October 3, 2007 at 5:26 pm
    Oh bloody sexist fags. And to think i used to listen to you before i realised that not all boys are like that.
  131. Profile photo of jhonmayer1
    jhonmayer1 Male 18-29
    1289 posts
    October 3, 2007 at 10:33 pm
    i need to lose some weight....

    damn...

  132. Profile photo of Felicity21
    Felicity21 Female 13-17
    38 posts
    October 4, 2007 at 5:22 am
    people in those ads starve themselves to be thin, and they are critisized and thats fine. But what about the naturally slim girls? They dont deserve to be treated like they are. People think its mean to pay out a fat person but its fine to pay out a skinny person.. well we have feelings too.. Some of you in here are saying skinny people are retards and other mean comments like that.. Well some of us are naturally like it ,so grow up and get a life or end your own already.
  133. Profile photo of NumbuhZero
    NumbuhZero Female 18-29
    878 posts
    October 4, 2007 at 7:41 pm
    I need to lose 10 pounds.
    D;
  134. Profile photo of Olragix
    Olragix Male 18-29
    1080 posts
    October 4, 2007 at 8:20 pm
    =/
  135. Profile photo of greened
    greened Male 18-29
    25 posts
    October 5, 2007 at 3:47 am
    Sure, you can blame guys... for some of it, but in all honesty, blame other girls instead. Little girls are being taught by their mothers early on to wear make-up and exercise to be fit, not their dads. Girls pressure each others into being the most fit and best looking, you don`t need guys for that. It`s probably your perception of what you think guys want that drives you into blaming us. One issue is really only that we CAN alter ourselves from ugly to beauty queen today. If someone has small breasts and make an implant and you have even smaller breasts than she did, what will that make you feel about yourself? No, men get too much blame for this. And also, men have a lot of pressures as well, there`s just no talking about it in society.
  136. Profile photo of bookwurm2010
    bookwurm2010 Female 13-17
    37 posts
    October 6, 2007 at 10:59 pm
    Pianoman21:
    How can someone have their self-appreciation, when they are told that they are nothing because of how they look? There are two kinds of people: those who listen to the masses and those who don`t. Unfortunately, many of us do listen to the masses, and not enough of us don`t.
  137. Profile photo of geek_kittie
    geek_kittie Female 30-39
    66 posts
    October 7, 2007 at 3:23 pm
    “They must be joking! People can`t be that sensitive. Not a chance. No - wait. I forgot where I was living for a moment. Self esteem is about as prevalent as intelligence around here... what a shame.”

    While the focus on self-esteem can get out of hand, I think you’re missing the point. We do not live in a vacuum. As women, we are exposed to these images on a daily basis. Think about how you would feel if everyday, year after year, you were exposed to images of half-naked men with big muscles in every newspaper, magazine, website, and television show you watched. You can’t tell me that wouldn’t have an impact on you.

    I’m not a fan of body fascism no matter what the body type. Nor do I expect mass media to use “unattractive” models. But so many people compare themselves to images that are altered and unrealistic. It’s something to take notice of.

  138. Profile photo of clashrocker
    clashrocker Female 13-17
    133 posts
    October 8, 2007 at 5:33 am
    On 10/4/2007 5:22:53 AM Felicity21 wrote: people in those ads starve themselves to be thin, and they are critisized and thats fine. But what about the naturally slim girls? They dont deserve to be treated like they are. People think its mean to pay out a fat person but its fine to pay out a skinny person.. well we have feelings too.. Some of you in here are saying skinny people are retards and other mean comments like that.. Well some of us are naturally like it ,so grow up and get a life or end your own already.
    I`ve never understood the complaints of skinny girls, you`re pretty much idolized by the media. STFU and go eat a pasta dinner.
  139. Profile photo of beadyfish
    beadyfish Female 13-17
    10 posts
    October 8, 2007 at 5:17 pm
    amazing piece of advertisement. my english prof would be so glad. (not to mention ms bordo)
  140. Profile photo of Felicity21
    Felicity21 Female 13-17
    38 posts
    October 14, 2007 at 3:18 am
    Clashrocker: Thats exactly what im talking about! You assume all slim girls starve themselves, when some are actually healthy, and are naturally slim. No wonder you are imature and arrogant your not even an adult yet, so grow up already, and stop critisizing!
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    trashcan7 Male 13-17
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    May 14, 2009 at 5:53 pm
    This video has been removed due to terms of use violation.

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