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While the focus on self-esteem can get out of hand, I think you’re missing the point. We do not live in a vacuum. As women, we are exposed to these images on a daily basis. Think about how you would feel if everyday, year after year, you were exposed to images of half-naked men with big muscles in every newspaper, magazine, website, and television show you watched. You can’t tell me that wouldn’t have an impact on you.
I’m not a fan of body fascism no matter what the body type. Nor do I expect mass media to use “unattractive” models. But so many people compare themselves to images that are altered and unrealistic. It’s something to take notice of.
Lmao...good one! But anyways...yeah great commercial.
Whenever I used to feel "below average" I listened to the song "Just Be" by Tiesto. At least read over the lyrics and think about them ladies (and guys)...they`re very true.
that`s all... :)
Girls: Everyone read The Beauty Myth, by Naomi Wolf. It`s an amazing text. It`ll piss you off, but in the good way. Also, researching the development of standards for women isn`t a bad idea. Knowing how we were expected to behave in ages past helps us to understand today`s expectations.
I think the Dove ads are great, because I`m sick of hearing about size 0 models making themselves ill with bulimia and anorexia etc., eating less than 500 calories a day and things like that. There`s no way our kids should be exposed to that.
I disagree, the media tries to tell us how to look and what to wear, they even change that up whenever they can to keep selling stuff...and it works.
oh, and how did this vid get turned into a discussion about masterbation? a bit random don`t you think?
Good for you. But not everyone is you.
As for the baby thing, i`m not so sure they know what they`re doing and i`m pretty sure that sex is not on their minds.
Either way, this commercial was interesting, reminded me a lot of those anti drug stuff and etc. This is technically a very pressing issue in america as many girls suffer from anorexia and belemia because of peer pressure or from stuff like beauty ads.
1. In our society, to be thin is to be healthy and is synonymous with beauty. It`s projected at us everywhere. By older women when we are small, by boys and later men, by tv ads, by supermodels, by people who notice especially thin people, etc, etc.
2. Dieting is addictive. it makes you feel good. Therefore, once begun, it is a very difficult habit to break.
3 Around the time we are 12, we put on about 10 pounds, usually in the belly, thighs, butt, and breasts. Girls are suddenly MUCH bigger than they are used to. This messes with our heads so we think we are getting fat when we are not.
Oh and btw, (this was bothering me) Girls do not masturbate "years before boys are capable." Boys masturbate as babies. They begin before girls by a few months. Ever heard of penis clutching. It`s common in toddlers and is simply baby masturbation.
Now that I have that off my chest...
I don`t know where those of you who say that Dove is promoting obesity got that, but I guarantee that is NOT the point of their ads. ALSO, the ideal present in media is not healthy. Being so thin your bones stick out is NOT healthy. Being overweight is not healthy either, I would never advocate obesity. But dieting dangerously, getting surgery, taking pills, going on extreme starvation diets...these things are not healthy either. Beauty at any cost, thinness at any cost is NOT health.
(Unless you`re part of the 10% of people who just look like that. I`m not talking to you. I know what it is to have friends say "jokingly" `I hate you` just because you can`t seem to gain any weight no matter what you try.)
bottom line, media affects you
Just because you`re not necessarily one of the super skinny, "not normal" people doesn`t mean that they don`t exist.
.....Well it would be, wouldn`t it.
but really, people aren`t going to change anytime soon.. we`re all screwed over unless we find it in ourselves to get over all the hype in the media.. We`re the only ones who can change it within ourselves, not always other people..
ATLEAST THEY`RE TRYING.
My friend made an interesting comment the other day. She saw one of the photos it a magazine and said "I hate these adverts, they make me feel like a freak". My friend is naturally v.slim (UK size 6 are too big for her) and very beautiful. I think she realised how regular adverts make me and and my other friends feel everyday.
And sociological theory is the bedrock of this entire debate. You said "the influence of society is pretty damn strong, and difficult to ignore." That`s sociological theory.Oh, and you didn`t say the media makes women do things. I did.
Sheesh. Show me a real man and I`ll show you someone who wants a real woman.
Furthermore, the ultimate point I tried to make (which you seemed to miss) is that women must take it upon ourselves to change standards. We should accept responsibility for our feelings of inadequacy, we should recognize that we are 100% responsible for how we feel and how we respond to the media circus. That is how change will happen.
(I don`t want to argue sociological theory with you, because I`m pretty sure that would get nowhere. But the influence of society is pretty damn strong, and difficult to ignore. Oh, and when did I say the media MAKES women do things?
Take a look at movies or TV. 99% of famous and succesful women are beautiful stick insects. Only a few manage to keep their career when they age and become flabby. And men then? Old men can have great careers! If you look at some of the most celebrated male actors (Jack Nicolson and Robert DeNiro and Harvey Keitel and so forth and so on) they are hardly the pictures of youth and health.
There is no one to blame, no fingers to point. The structure of modern western society inherently favors men. Woo hoo. The saddest part about the beauty industry is, IMHO, how it drives women apart. Girls, we are the ones who can change this. But we have to work together.
Ha ha ha, some people are UN-BELIEVABLE!! This whole comment page is making me laugh.
Some people are more susceptible to peer pressure than others, and some people have lower self-esteem than others. If you are, you`re not going to be satisfied no matter how hot you look. And let`s be honest, there`s not many things more unattractive than low self-esteem. Who cares what people in adverts look like? You never see a fat ugly Calvin Klein model, but it doesn`t make me think that every other guy apart from me looks like one, because I can use my eyes and see other people around me.
The truth is though that the women shown in these commercials are NOT AVERAGE, NOR NORMAL. The average model is 5`8", 120 lbs and has a BMI of 18 or less. The AVERAGE WOMAN is 5`4", 120-145 lbs and has a BMI between 18.5 and 24.5. The average is the definition of "healthy", the models are the definition of beauty.
This shows that there is a lie going on in the media. The media makes it look like these models ARE the norm when it is IMPOSSIBLE to look like that.
THAT is where the problem is.
Agreed. Women create most of the problems that they project on men.
I have my moments of insecurity. I only recently (in the past four years) became comfortable with how I look and accepted the fact that I`m attractive, but no amount of ads featuring supermodels is going to change that for me.
It`s just difficult for woman these days because you have commercials, infomercials, and ads on billboards, in magazines, in newspapers, online, on buses, on the radio telling woman that they NEED to have tight skin, they NEED to be wrinkle free, they NEED to be a size 5, they NEED to have fuller lips, they NEED to have big boobs, they NEED to be tan, they NEED to have a small nose, they NEED to have a flat stomach, they NEED to have baby smoothe skin and the list goes on and on and on. and if you don`t have ANY of these things you will NEVER find love, you will NEVER be happy, you will NEVER have a good life.
I understand its hard for guys in certain ways but you will never understand how much more difficult it is for us woman
However, when it comes to p0rn, I have absolutely nothing against it. I watch it, but I certainly don`t watch it for the women or (definitely not) the men, I watch it because it`s sex. Sex is fun to watch. And of course there are guys who become addicted and can`t have a good relationship, but I did an experiment in my Psych class and found that guys who watched porn in moderation had the longest lasting and most successful relationships. So there you go.
I`m married now, but if I were still single, I`d rather go out with a "real" person then one of those fake bimbos any day. A lot of guys feel that way.
Feel good about yourself for who you are and don`t let anyone try to take that away from you.
I think porn is not.
porn does not equal masterbation.
Gee, I think girls are responsible for a lot of these problems all by themselves. It`s always easy to point the finger, isn`t it.
Either way, cool ad. I like the message!
LKJSlain...sounds like your head has been well and truly "messed with"!
FYI, jackass681 and Declan191919: Good luck ever getting laid. Without paying cash up-front, anyway.
also the largest collection of porn movies ive ever seen owned by one person belonged to a friends mother.
if you are saying masturbation is inappropriat because a man has a girl friend/wife so he shouldnt need to get the drat over your self. you probably broke up with some guy cause you couldnt see past your insecuritys and understand that him masturbating wile watching porn has nothing to do with your or your relationship with him and became bitter over it.
I love Dove ads. They make me happy.
Oh, and LKJSlain: "inappropriate acts" - Really?
Scary... and sad. I wish we were all on our four legs again with less priorities.