Update on Papers Please (Circuit City Guy)

Submitted by: buddy 10 years ago in
http://www.michaelrighi.com/2007/09/20/success/

The guy who refused to show his receipt at Circuit City cuts a deal and gets charges dropped.
There are 105 comments:
Male 93
Oh for f sake. Yes, he called the cops. My point was that any involvement of law enforcement on their end was a moot point since they had not witnessed a theft going on. He was calling because he felt he was being unlawfully detained.

And Digitalmatse thank you for leaving as you have not had any points to make beyond "Ooo you make me mad you bad man", good to be rid of someone like you.

BubbaLuvSpon you really don`t think before you type do you kid?

"theft is a felony, and therefore you don`t have to witness it to arrest"

Lovely.. so if something is stolen in a store, they can arrest EVERYBODY in the store? What, they can`t? They need PROBABLE CAUSE? Like, say a witness or a video tape? God you are fing stupid to say something like that. There is no expectation to produce a receipt after you leave the cashier unless you choose. There is no LAW that requires it. Thus it`s your RIGHT to not obey a request for it. Simple, even for you kid

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Female 1,407
Well the caption told me all I wanted to know. Nice.
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Male 126
I guarantee that you will have some insults thrown at me after this is posted which just strengthens my point. If you ever find a way to talk in a calm way, then maybe you will be less hated in this discussion forum. Have you noticed that even the people who agree with your side have not sided with you? Try to figure out why that is...
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Male 126
"Since they denied that he stole anything, they basically called a cop for no good reason"

That quote right there shows me that you didn`t understand what had happened at all. The store did not call the police, he called the police to let the store leave.

And as for this "debate" I`m just going to leave it because you simply do not know how to conduct a debate. It is to argue points in an intelligent and respectful way, which you clearly have not shown. It was interesting how you completely ignored my point about your arrogance, which tells me that you do not care about it or feel that it is justified in some way. Kid, you need to learn how to properly debate before you start. The reason there are a majority of people here who feel that you are annoying is because of the way in which you speak, NOT the point that you are arguing. Until then, I`m just going to stop now because this is pointless.

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Male 159
Look here dippoo... In OH it`s "Reasonable Cause"... that means, if the average person, by means of the suspects actions, would have reason to believe that he may have stolen something. Then they can detain him for further investigation. There`s a difference. We don`t know excatly what his actions were in that store, so we can`t say that they didn`t have reasonable cause, can we? We have one side, HIS... and forgive me if my opinion is that his story might be a bit bias.

The store did not call the police, the jackass called the police... FYI

Just a side note... theft is a felony, and therefore you don`t have to witness it to arrest. If I see a man standing over another man in a side alley, the man on the ground is bleeding, the man standing is holding a gun. You didn`t see him shoot the guy. You heard a shot, the picture you see resembles that of a murder scene. What do you do? Murder and theft are both felonies.

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Male 902
FREE FALLIN`!

YEAH, I`M FREEEEEEEE!


FREE FALLIN`!

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Male 93
BubbaLuvSpon,

An anology is if someone bumps into me in a store and then I notice my wallet is missing.. so I tackle and detain the person who bumped me. After all I noticed my wallet missing after they bumped me, reasonable that they took my wallet right? So when the cops show up and find out that he does NOT have my wallet I could face charges of illegally detaining someone and possibly assault.

You have to SEE someone steal an item have probable cause for a citizen`s arrest. Suspicion is not enough. You will notice that we do not try people because we suspect them of a crime, we need proof, wether an eye witness or a video tape. You should note in this case they dropped all charges because they lacked either of those things, that is the lesson here.

You are free to not show your recipt, go to 12 different cashiers and exit without being detained. If they see you steal something fine, call the cops and detain you. Otherwise step aside.

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Male 93
Bubbalove,

Listen to legally detain someone you have to have probable cause.. Saying NO to a receipt check is NOT probable cause. The law requires that you SEE the person place something in their pockets (or wherever they hide something)and then attempt to leave the store. Unless you are trying to assume that between the cashier and the exit this guy magically stole something.

He also ASKED the store if he was being accused of theft, and they said NO. Still they called the police. Since they denied that he stole anything, they basically called a cop for no good reason. This led to the cop showing that he did not know the law very well when it comes to identification requirements.

Probable Cause is in place to avoid the mentality you have, which is simply if you suspect someone you can detain them.

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Male 159
That would not go well with me. THAT`S why I asked that question! You throw around the words that you do, and then accuse others of being an internet bully. You talk down to people, and you throw insults around with your keyboard, that you sit in front of all day long. What do you call that??

BTW... say hi to Mommy and Daddy for me

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Male 159
Anyone over the age of 16, I believe, must have some kind of government ID. Don`t quote me on the age though, since it`s been some time since I`ve read that particular statute. So, when the officer requested an ID, during the course of his investigation, it was a lawful request. Not following that lawful request is obstruction. Again, that`s IN law. I couldn`t find the specific law addressing that particular issue for Ohio.

Lastly, my previous statement about punching you in the face. I was simply asking a question. I was taking a poll of people who would like to punch you, due to your arrogance. I was quite surprised when nobody else spoke up, although I have a feeling there are several who would jump at the chance. Even though I`m not a violent person, by nature, I think you could easily bring that out in me. Judging by your words, I`m thinking you are the type of person who would be inclined to get into a person`s face while throwing around your idiotic talk.

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Male 159
Soooo... you want me to address the issues. Here`s the issue. According to the Ohio law that I read, when an employee of a business has reason to believe that a person has shoplifted, they have the right to detain that person. Now, before you go spewing off at the mouth, and say they didn`t have any reason to believe, we don`t know that. All we know is that he purchased two items at two different registers, and would not allow the viewing of his bag or the reciept. Did he, without knowing, have the same pattern in the store of a shoplifter? We don`t know. Is it possible? SURE! So, if the employee had a reason to believe he was a shoplifter, he could LEGALLY detain that person for further investigation.

The other matter, the police and the ID. I could not find a definitive answer in OH law on this one. I do know that, in Indiana (if you ever want to visit, let me know), if an officer requests an ID during his investigation, and you refuse, you`re going to jail.

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Male 93
BubbaLuvSpon,

Again kid thanks for trying. You ignored the point I make about you saying you wanted to hit me in the face, thus you are an internet tough guy. Really nice job not addressing this issue because you are a cowardly little waste of time.

Also thank you for not addressing my points about civil rights, awareness of the law and the concern over corporate intrusion into personal privacy. Continue to stick your pudgy fingers in your ears and spew a load of crap because you are too cowardly to admit your an idiot and internet tough guy.

Thank you for reminding me of why I post, because retards like you have no ability to address issues without going off target and whining and stamping your feet because you have nothing intelligent to argue or say. Thanks kid :)

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Male 2
continued:

Tell him to speak with his attorney. The story reflected exactly what his attorney said, and he said it at least four times. In fact, he said that it was very important that I say that the police did no wrong.
I attempted to reach Mr. Righi several times and he told me to speak with his attorney. THat’s what I did.
Please note, Mr. Righi has NOT contacted me and said there was a problem. His attorney has not contacted me either. Perhaps he’s trying to save face on his blog.
Mike Sangiacomo
(Sangiacomo being the writer of the article claiming Mr. Righi - through his lawyer - was insistent that the PD did nothing wrong.)

In short (again regardless of how I feel about what happened), it is important to gather info. from as many places as possible before making a call on what really transpired.

Also - that was my first time taking a quotation from another site . . . I had no idea all those punctuation characters would come

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Male 2
Here is simply a question:

Regardless of how I feel about Mr. Righi`s actions on the matter with CC OR the Police, do we really know all the facts to the case? Of course we can read what has been written by this person - but that information can be totally one-sided. My point is that it would be interesting to understand EXACTLY what took place (info. from all sides), as well as know EXACTLY what the applicable laws are (as they differ for each state on presentation of identification).

Several people posted comments regarding Mr. Righi`s assertion that his local newspaper "lied" when reporting that he “agreed that a police officer did nothing wrong in arresting [me] after [I] refused to show [my] driver’s license.”

When these people (again supposedly, because I did not do it myself) contacted the newspaper they were given this response:

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Male 159
Iamnotbored2... I`m just going to point out a few things, then I`m done with you... KID!

I made this observation while reviewing the posts on this topic. Of your 56 posts on IAB, 25 of them have been on this topic. Without doing the math, it appears that you`ve posted, on average, a comment about every 20 minutes. With that in mind, I`m going to try to help you out...

Look around you... go ahead... look. Do you see a doorway? Open that door and take a look at those stairs. See if you can gather up the courage to walk up those stairs. When you make it to the top, say hello to Mom and Dad, and ask to borrow their paper. (Assure them they can finish their crossword when you`re done) Turn to the back of that paper, and there you`ll find listings for jobs AND apartments. I`m sure Mom and Dad will miss you living in their basement, but it`s for the better. I know, it`s a scary thought. Here at IAB, we`ll stand behind you! We`ll miss all of your superior postings, but we`ll be fine.

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Male 93
digitlmaste,

Please just don`t waste anyone elses time. You whine and whine about this guy wasting peoples time. You lack the intelligence to understand that your rights should not be given away just so you can leave a store 10 seconds quicker. If you wish to give in to whatever corporations ask of you then fine kid, do it. But for gods sake stop your unintelligent rambling about how unless EVERYBODY stands up for their rights then the individuals are wasting their time. How about you go back to middleschool and start looking over the huge number of individuals in this country that have changed the laws and public awareness of them.

And thank you for ignoring my points about the new awareness of the police about identity requirements, the awareness of the public about the right to leave a store without illegal detainment and the awareness that private property does not mean the store can do anything it wants.

Feel free to whine some more and ignore my valid points.

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Male 93
digitalmaste,

Well if you truly believe it is a waste of time to be proven "right" when it comes to your rights as a citizen, well that says it all. God forbid if a citizen is aware of his rights and chooses not to roll over when confronted with authority figures. Thank god we have people like you who value expendience of a SHOPPING EXPERIENCE over your RIGHTS AS A U.S. CITIZEN.

Your pathetic sheep mentality of "it can only change if many cases such as this arise and this law becomes public knowledge. If/Until that happens and all of America knows not to check a person`s bags as they leave, I will continue to see this as a wasteful effort."

Well you moron how can many cases occur if NOBODY EVER TRIES you idiot? Care to explain the logic? Oh wait, there IS NONE. If people like him NEVER TRY, then we will never see change you retard. If you spent any time looking at our legal history, it is single case precidents that help change the law.

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Male 126
And btw, there are a lot of other things than "pointing out fallacies in peoples logic and statements" that make you arrogant. There`s your condescending tone, the fact that you constantly say "kid" etc.
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Male 126
I still think that it was unnecessary to waste that much time on such a frivolous matter. The time taken to fight this battle on a reason such as this does not gain him anything but the feeling that he was right and to me anyone that wastes their time.
And to the fact that this case has opened other people`s minds, I do not think that the general public would get into a long legal battle such as this just to prove a point to a store and some police. If they go to another store, this will reoccur and it can only change if many cases such as this arise and this law becomes public knowledge. If/Until that happens and all of America knows not to check a person`s bags as they leave, I will continue to see this as a wasteful effort.
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Male 93
BubbaLuvSpon,

Yes I do assume you are a internet tough guy. You indicated that you would like to punch me if possible. Well kid the use of violence is an act of toughness. Since you are typing on the internet, where you have 100% anonymity you can post offensive and threatening comments like that without me anyone nearby to call you on it kid. Thus you are acting like a internet tough guy, simple enough to follow even for someone slow like you.

As for my arrogance, if pointing out fallacies in peoples logic and statements is arrogant, so be it. Rather that then a weak minded nancy boy like you kid.

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Male 159
Well, Iamnotbored2, don`t assume that just because someone makes a comment such as mine, that they are an "internet tough guy".

Also, just to clear things up, your self-proclaimed "smarts" is not what makes the thought of hurting you so appealing. Your arrogance is what brings on the thoughts of violence.

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Male 93
DigitalMaste:

And please do not respond that you do not care if it was legal or not the guy was a jerk. If you feel that way fine, I prefer to know what is legal and what is not as opposed to the guys mental state. Frankly you do not know him and neither do I, he may be a jerk or a saint. The issue has always been with legal aspects of this case

The case has opened many peoples eyes to what their rights are, the laws regarding illegally detaining someone and what officers can ask for in terms of identification. If you truly think those 3 things are a waste of time then you are clueless and sad as I think you are. Better men and women then you have given up a great deal of time to ensure that the rules of law in these areas are clear. To suggest that they wasted their time shows a juvenile mind.

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Male 93
DigitalMaste:

No it proved quite a bit. It proved that you do NOT have to show anything after you make a legal purchase. It shows that store`s policies do NOT trump individual rights. It also proved that some police are ignorant of the laws they uphold. You assume this guy did it BECAUSE HE CAN, well yes he did it because he could. He also may have just not wanted to reach into his bag or wallet, he may have been in a hurry (he had family waitin for him). Whatever the reason, he was correct in terms of the law and that is what matters. The sad fact that you say "did not prove anything" shows how ignorant you are.

Care to argue? The store now knows it cannot detain or intimidate folks for not showing receipts. The cops, and I assure you the whole department, has been reminded that a Drivers ID is not required when you are not driving and that you only need to provide name, address and soc. security.

And of course that individual rights are not trumped by store policy.

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Male 126
I dont see what the big deal is, its an extremely small insignificant thing, and the police invading your house for 15 seconds isn`t a good comparison to this simply because a house is not as insignificant as a bad of groceries. There are private things in your house that you would not want to show other people and they would not know about it anyways. A bag of stuff you bought in a store isn`t a big deal because it is stuff you just bought, and the people have seen it anyways. Don`t get me wrong, it is still illegal, but its a ridiculous thing to not show something that you JUST BOUGHT. It`s just the guy being conceited, doing something JUST BECUASE HE CAN. It would be much simpler to show the guy the bag, cause less trouble for everyone with a much simpler result.
What did he get from his lawsuit? A lot of time and money wasted, that`s what. They still got to check the bag, and the cop still saw his license.
It was a waste of time that did not prove anything.
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Male 93
BubbaLuvSpon,

I would love to meet up with you internet tough guy, I am sure the sight of your blubbering ass hauling itself outside for the first time in years would be a sight, much like a pale white whale beaching itself on the shore.

Also nice to see since you can`t come up with any intelligent answer your resort to "Huh, this feller is smart, we should hit him". Good show kid.

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Male 159
ok, show of hands... Who wants to punch Iamnotbored2 in the face?
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Male 93
Corporations have no guiding moral or ethical compass. They are in the buisneiss of making money. Thus the problems of corporations getting goods made in less then ideal factory conditions in China and other countries. The lack of training for their employees about shoppers rights is another case. It`s much easier to pay the legal fees for a few small infractions of peoples rights then spend more money on security or training all their employees. People like this fellow who actually stop and say "No, I`m not going to show you anything, I have done nothing wrong" should be commended for reminding us what our rights are.

Regardless, you are free to think this fellow wasted his time. However how many tens of thousands of people who read this article have been reminded that they do NOT give up their rights when they enter a store. That stores have to have reasonable cause before detaining someone.

All of these things are good to remember.

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Male 93
Shapiro,

Your examples are not analogous.

Eating all you want at an ALL YOU CAN EAT buffet is hardly a crime. You may get fat but otherwise there is no issue here.

Pulling a break on a subway for fun physically endangers passengers, creates a atmosphere of fear and is illegal. Allowing someone to walk out of your store does not endanger anyone, does not create an atmosphere of fear and is not illegal.

You cannot seem to come up with any reasonable reason why this fellow should have been detained because he chose not to show a receipt. You agree that is his right, but somehow get upset that he exercised his right to leave without being illegally detained. I find this odd and nonsensical. Just because something is not important to YOU do not assume it has no importance. The little things for YOU are not little to everyone else. I for one DO worry about the power corporations have in this country. See the most recent China-lead problem as an example of corporate power abu

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Male 22
Iamnotbored2,

I think the thing that frustrates me is, YES, he does have the right to deny a search of his Circuit City bag, but why stand up for your rights over something like that? Its like going to an all you can eat buffet and taking all of the food, just for the purpose of showing you have the right to. Or going on a subway and pulling the E-break, just because you have the right to. Sure, other people are dramatically inconvenienced by it. But so what, you have the right to do it, so you should show everyone, right?

Pick your battles...I say stand up for your rights when you really need to, don`t worry about the little things. Wait until a cop illegally enters your home, and then go to court. Don`t waste your and their time over something like checking a plastic bag with 2 items in it. It`s not worth it.

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Male 93
(continued)

and as someone who is over 30 I find the lack of thought put into these statement absurd. How anyone who has any basic understanding of history can suggest that, amoung other things, that if you have nothing to hide you should allow authority figures to search your person without probable cause. Comments such as these show a severely uneducated mind at play and I will continue to point that out. I see no reason not to point out logical, legal and moral flaws in people posting. People choose to post their opinions on here and as such deserve to have those opinions held up to logic and ethics.

It is not my problem that people are ignorant and post without thinking or researching anything, however do not cry foul when they are corrected. They chose to post, I have the freedom to respond and will continue to do so.

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Male 93
Shapiro,

When people present their views on a public forum expect criticism. The views often repeat several misunderstandings of the law.

One is that private companies that run a public business can search you if they want to. This is not true, you do not give up your rights no matter what a stores policy is.

Another common statement is that since the search would only take a few seconds that people should just give in and do it. This places convenience over an individuals rights which is a horrible precident to set.

Another fundamental view is that the gentleman in question was upset over the store asking to see his receipt. This is not the case. Stores can ask anything they like, it was when they attempted to detain him by blocking his car and following him out of the store that the problem arose. The police officer was also wrong is his assumption that you must provide a drivers license as proof of I.D. You do not unless you are driving.

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Male 22
Are you really 30-39? All you have been doing is insulting people when they present their views, as long as their views are different from yours.
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Male 93
pui,

pui -"I still think that guy is conceited and a bit of a jerk.

He is smart though."

You began your comments by insulting this fellow twice, then followed up with "he is smart though" as if to make up for it. You began by insulting him, not by saying "brave, intelligent and has a very good head on his shoulders".

Were I to comment "Pui is egotistical, flighty and a crappy person...... oh but she is kinda friendly".. what impression do you get? I started off with several negative remarks followed by one positive one. That is how you presented your opinion, which as you pointed out you do not need to back up, because after all how silly of me to think you might have a reason behind your comments.

I suggest if wish to present a more fair and honest view of someone you not start of by slamming them with negative remarks and then expecting people to think you feel differently. Try spending a few seconds thinking about what you say and

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Male 93
kikyo,

Of course, why let a little thing like convenience get in the way of your rights as a citizen. Perhaps one day you learn that standing up for yourself and your rights is worth paying some fees. Of course you must not be very bright yourself if you think that money is the issue here. The dangers of corporations, which will always have more money then an individual, is very real. Why do you think there has been a great deal of legislature in the past 10 years trying to stop corporations from buying out politicians with hundreds of thousands of dollars in donations. The fact is that you come off as an idiot, since you seem to lack the basic understanding of an individuals rights and assume that convenience trumps those rights. I`m guessing we will never see you standing up for anything because you are much happier not having to think at all and will simply do what you are told like a simpleminded child.

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Female 36
He`s still an idiot regardless of his intentions. If he had waited the 10 seconds and let them check his receipt, the police wouldn`t have been involved and he wouldn`t of had to pay upwards $10,000 in legal fee`s. Yeah, that takes smarts.
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Female 3,574
first of, just because I personally have the impression this guy is a conceited person does not mean I don`t agree with him about what he thought was right and it does not mean I think he did the wrong thing. I actually think this person is also brave, intelligent and has a very good head on his shoulders. I was simply stating an opinion, and a personal impression (which is pretty hard to describe, honestly) does not have to be justified... especially when the fact that I find him conceited means absolutely nothing at the bottom of it all.

Secondly, no need to throw fire at me! I`m really a very nice person, and I think you would like me upon getting to know me better. :) I do not think I deserve such ill feelings!

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Female 441
glad i got the update i found it 2 be a realy interesting story
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Male 274
Answer to all your questions. What isn`t?


Again What if I slapped you. What if I stab you. What if I shot you? What if...............


Stop hiding, behind `What if` No matter how you type your response. It still a "WHAT IF"

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Male 22
"I assume you would not mind if police or perhaps your boss or supervisor came into your home whenever they liked, just to make sure you were not doing anything wrong, after all you have nothing to hide right?"

See, thats where you compare apples and oranges. They just want to check the guy`s receipt to make sure it matches up with what he bought. Isn`t that simple and justified? Whats the benefit of making a big deal over something so trivial? You can say you`re giving up your precious right to not show someone a bag of 2 items, but in the end when it looks like it`s going to come to thousands in legal expenses because the cop`s a dick, doesn`t it make sense to just let it go?

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Male 274
Iamnotbored2

Very good post

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Male 93
BigWaFu,

I guess the billions of man hours that people in this country have spent to codify our rights and how the laws relate to them were just a waste of time eh? Thank the gods we have someone as bright as you to sum it up with "if you aren`t a thief you have nothing to hide". That way you could be pulled over with NO probable cause just to see if you did anything wrong. GREAT. What a wonderfull country that would be, one without any individual rights to privacy or presumption of innocence! Assume anyone who says no to an authority figure MUST be hiding something! Just brilliant.

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Male 274
Kenny you have no IDEA what the INTERNET is.
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Male 93
BigWaFuu,

Try reading the article. The argument was NOT over him being ASKED to show his receipt. Stores can ASK for anything they like. However they attempted do detain him physically when he refused as is HIS RIGHT. Also, again since you can`t seem to read, you do NOT GIVE UP YOUR RIGHTS just because you are on private property. Also, thank you for saying the most amazing stupid thing "if you aren`t a thief you have nothing to hide"... I assume you would not mind if police or perhaps your boss or supervisor came into your home whenever they liked, just to make sure you were not doing anything wrong, after all you have nothing to hide right? How about being asked to turn out you pockets everytime you leave a store? How about asking for proof of I.D. whenever you leave ANY store to make sure your a legal citizen? What you fail to understand is that citizen`s have rights here in this country and when you detain someone illegally it`s a problem.

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Male 274
BigWaFuu

Think about what you just typed.

So you would not mind being stopped.

"sorry Sir I need to check your receipt.)

That would me fine, if the person had 25 items, This was just two. 2

DUEX


just two

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Male 1,825
hehe, its the internet, pride and truthfullness is not expected
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Male 274
Kenny your a fake, you make no sense what so ever!!!

At least Pappy has some PRIDE.

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Male 1,162
People who agree with this man or think it`s somehow "terribly unconstitutional" to show your receipt are probably thieves themselves.
How stupid do you have to be to fight the police for a stupid ass receipt?
Who cares about this guy, he`s an attention whore and people who side with him need to grow up. Your rights arent being destroyed just because someone asks you to see a receipt.
2 seconds, that`s all it takes.
You`re on private property, it`s not a right to shop at WalMart.. No where in the law does it say WalMart has to sell you anything and if a condition of purchasing items at WalMart is to show your receipt, then that`s what you have to do. It`s to stop the thieves, and if you arent a thief you have nothing to hide.
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Male 93
Pui,

thank you for stating the obvious, as it seems it`s the only thing within your grasp. Of course you can add anything you like, however telling someone to `stop` doing anything implies you have some kind of authority, which you do not have at all. It is so nice to see that your opinion of his being conceited is based off of... apparently nothing. You don`t seem to be able to quote any thing this person said or did that deserves such a comment. Then again you seem to believe that people should respect your views even when they are without basis and you lack the common courtesy of backing them up. So please keep posting your flighty opinions as much as you like, you seem all the more foolish for doing so.

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Male 1,455
I can`t believe people honestly think he deserved to be arrested. What part of ILLEGAL ARREST do you not understand? If it isn`t legal, then it doesn`t matter if he deserved it or not; it`s still against the law!
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Female 3,574
Well he comes off as being quite conceited. It`s just my opinion.

If strangers do not care what any other stranger says, then why say anything over the internet at all?

This is just a comment board. I am free to add anything I want, whether or not it meets up to your standards.

whoever you are.

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Male 93
Pui,

Please, do not attempt to dictate yourself to me. I do not care what you think, unless you have something intelligent to add to the conversation beyond "he is smart though". Stating "oh stop bickering you two" implies that strangers care what you say, which is sadly not the case.

Oh and in what way was the guy conceited or a jerk?

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Female 3,574
oh and stop bickering, you two.
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Female 3,574
I still think that guy is conceited and a bit of a jerk.

He is smart though.

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Male 93
kenny_f,

kenny_f - "there is nothing more beutiful than rock to a cops face"

kenny_f -"what a suprise, being a little bi*ch pays off in our legal system"

So again, care to explain why you think hitting a cop in the face with a stone is the best thing in life? How about why standing up for your rights makes you a b#tch? Really I`d like to hear your rational behind these statements.

p.s. if your 14 why does your profile say 18-29? I`m guessing more internet tough guy mentality.

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Male 1,825
ooo this is regressing farther and farther into pathetic school ground insults. so this is the part where you question my sexuality? smooth. so who is creepier me, or a 30 something having lengthy conversation with a fourteen year old?
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Male 93
kenny_f,

nice to see you think of me so often kid. It`s creepy. Any comment on your violent fantasies about cops or your lack of understanding about our rights? I`m guessing probably not.

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Male 1,825
eveennn sadder. im still in question of your sex because of your total bitchieness
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Male 93
Ahhhh... a lovely attempt kenny_f, however you seen men do not have menstrual cycles, so men cannot PMS. I can only assume you fell asleep during biology kid. But again thank you crying about your hurt feelings and ignoring the gathering evidence of your stupidity.
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Male 1,825
you really need to find better stuff to do. this is just getting sad. So apparently your mother`s basement isnt a pussy magnet, that doesnt mean you have to pms on iab
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Male 93
Oh and hellervon don`t worry about if kenny_f ever gets arrested, I`m sure he`s underage and will have mom come and bail him out.

"what a suprise, being a little bi*ch pays off in our legal system" - kenny_f

See kenny_f really has no idea about how our laws or rights work. So he is unable to fathom why anyone would not give in to authority figures like he always does. He equates standing up for your rights as "being a little bi*ch". He would much rather be told what he can and cannot do, it makes his small little world that much easier.

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Male 93
o = oh, opion = opinion, kenny_f = internet tough kid who tries to get it up by fantasizing about violence against cops :)

Oh and kid, thanks for avoiding my question. Figured you were just acting tough before. Now I know.

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Male 1,825
o and the opion of an internet prick matters
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Male 756
hellervon,

I don`t know that I have done the best for my country; I do know that I have tried, and that my mission has not yet ended. Maybe then I shall be able to say that, or hope that I can.

Btw, it`s "Martial Law".

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Male 93
kenny_f,

It does not matter if letting them search you does harm or not, you can choose to waive your rights but do not expect others to do so. Also just because other options for shopping exist does not mean that you should expect to be treated like a criminal when you enter any given store.

Of course your the same internet tough kid who said hitting a cop in the face with a brick is your highest ambition in life, so no one really cares what you think kid.

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Male 1,289
holly crap! did you see the amount of comments on that article...lol
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Male 1,825
i hate to comply with all the sh*t, but it really wouldnt do that much harm. or you could just not shop at big nazi retailers
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Male 93
digitalmaste:

actually no the point of rights is not improve the conditions of life for all people. Rights are about the individual, not the group. If they were about the group then we would presume guilty instead of innocent and just hold 10 people suspected of a crime in jail to catch 1 criminal. The group does not outweigh the individual in this country.

And anyone who says "it may be illegal but it is such an insignificant thing it would not matter" is an idiot. What a great idea for law enforcement, it may be illegal but if only takes a few minutes, who cares? Wonderfull idea there kiddo. So if the cops want to come in your house and look around without probable cause it`s ok if they do it in less then 15 seconds?

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Male 126
What a retard this guy is. The entire point of having rights if to make it improve the conditions of life for people. If he makes a big deal of of stupidity like this, then he is just making this more difficult for himself and everyone involved and he is not getting anything out of it. And don`t start saying "if they can do this, then they will start taking away ALL rights" because then is when you make a complaint. It may be illegal but it is such an insignificant thing it would not matter. If it was a big deal like a loss of money of something else, then I would agree to his battle, but in this case, it is better to just show the damn receipt!
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Female 2,244
Yay! Good for him, sticking it to The Man. Any company that treats their customers like criminals doesn`t deserve to have customers. Although I hate to say that because I like Circuit City. But I find Best Buy are the worst ones about treating you like you stole something in the empty space between the cash registers and the door.
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Male 295
Michael Reghi has left a legacy. It is in the millions of Americans and thousands of police officers who now know about the law.

The next time one of them are asked for a drivers licence, they may not comply and that`s saying something.

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Male 93
Robock,

it is not common sense and it is not done everywhere. After you buy something you do not have to prove that you bought it. When I leave the grocery store I am not checked at the exit. When I buy a salad I am not checked as I leave. I am not checked when I leave the bank. I am not checked when I buy a book at the bookstore. Nor should I be. If you see someone steal something, then detain them. If you need more security or people on the floor then hire them. However, do not assume I am a criminal when I leave after I purchase something at the register. I do not have to wait to leave the store, regardless of what you may request of me.

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Male 317
it is good that he stand up against unlawfull acts. But i think that store should be allowed to check your bag. It is comon sense and done everywhere.
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Male 93
Sepiroth,

Listen buisness can NOT override your rights as a citizen. Saying "buisness`s reserve the right.." does not mean ANYTHING. They have the right to refuse service, they have the right to ban you from their store, they can have their employees detain people as a citizen arrest if they witness a theft. However, they cannot detain you from leaving just for refusing to show your receipt.

They can say "we reserve the right to get kiss and hugs before you leave the store", doesn`t mean it`s ok for them to demand kisses and hugs when you try to leave.

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Male 159
hellervon, so you`re comparing an officer attempting to investigate a possible crime to a person sitting in a house not causing a scene? I guess if you want to make that comparison, then yeah... damn the man!!

For that matter, why should we be made to register our vehicles? Why should we be made to purchase insurance for that vehicle? Why should we even have to get a drivers license before we drive on the streets? If I pay my taxes that go for the construction of those streets, I should be able to use them as I see fit, and if I want to drive my car right down the street without a license, by golly, do it.

And another thing... what`s with all these traffic laws. Who says I have to keep my speed under 55. Who says I have to drive on a certain side of the street. Who says I have to yield to that kid crossing the street? Blah blah blah...

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Male 274
He purchased two things, ONLY two things.
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Male 274
Pappy,

Just for you to think, from one leather neck to another. If you weren`t a Marine. You still did your best for your Country!!!

From the Halls of Montezuma
To the Shores of Tripoli;
We will fight our country`s battles
In the air, on land and sea;
First to fight for right and freedom
And to keep our honor clean;
We are proud to claim the title
of United States Marine.

Our flag`s unfurled to every breeze
From dawn to setting sun;
We have fought in ev`ry clime and place
Where we could take a gun;
In the snow of far-off Northern lands
And in sunny tropic scenes;
You will find us always on the job--
The United States Marines.

Here`s health to you and to our Corps
Which we are proud to serve
In many a strife we`ve fought for life
And never lost our nerve;
If the Army and the Navy
Ever look on Heaven`s scenes;
They will find the streets are guarded
By United States Marines.

But we are not under Marshall Law!!!

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Male 73
He was right,and the screwed up system is what made the whole thing such an ordeal. It`s THEIR fault.
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Male 955
Businesses reserve certain rights such as the right to refuse service, and to ask for proof of receipt of goods. Regardless, this kid is retarded for wasting so many other peoples money and put his own family through stress for nothing.
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Male 274
It seems that most people accept and are for the police department. (Not saying that the Police are bad.) But there is a line, that is crossed. Would you answer your front door and if asked `Do you own this house` or give documents that prove you are and AMERICAN. And if you don`t you are arrested. Here is my pay-stub, here are the tax return for the last 5 years.

A small ignored crack in the wall, will bring the whole house down.

Know that is serious.

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Male 274
Kenny, I think it`s knowing your rights. Think about that when you get wrongly arrested.
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Female 1,492
seriously...was it that big of a deal? when i leave walmart with an item not in a bag, they have to check my receipt to make sure it`s not stolen. i mean, come on...it`s not that important enough to cause a big uproar over.
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Female 1,832
Although I agree with standing up for your rights, he shouldn`t have made such a big deal about it. If he was doing nothing wrong then don`t worry, show the ID or receipt or whatever!! Dude avoid a problem and stop using tax payer $$ in order make an issue out of something so trivial as an ID or receipt.
Damn, I just wanna kick his ass.
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Male 1,825
what a suprise, being a little bi*ch pays off in our legal system
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Male 159
Wait... what happened again?? Ahh, the sweet release of such trivial things from my mind...
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Male 274
We might forget the name, but the incident should never be forgotten.
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Male 159
So, now we can forget this man`s name and that this ever happened?
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Male 274
As I will
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Male 756
hellervon - You are entitled to your opinion, and I respect that. I also believe there is common sense, which some people are not willing to use. Common sense tells me where to draw the line and where/when to pick a fight. For this particular situation, I choose to abide by the simple request of the employee to view the receipt, just as I choose where/when to make a purchase.

Continue to call me an idiot if you need.

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Male 522
Im glad he "won" sort of... It`s too bad they coerced him into signing that paper by harassing his family. Another example of how the law is used as a club on the population it is supposed to protect.
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Male 233
everyone should be more like this guy.
i agree with thisidrocks and dynapyre, he had every right to do this. he stood up for what was right, and he wasn`t a senseless ass about it once others were brought into the picture.

for those of you who think he should "stop his whining," it takes one small domino to knock a slightly bigger one down, then that one to knock an even bigger one down.

our rights are being taken away, and dammit when i get to the point where im on my own after high school and after college, i wanna have a fair fighting chance

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Male 274
Pappy with what you just wrote you have called yourself an idiot. Seems that you are about rights, how many had to suffer just to have the rights we have now? What if nothing had been done? I am proud to be an American. But there are some Policies that are just wrong, and I am on Micheal side on this, till it is proven, That we are people and not numbers. The people that hurt others go free, but yet the others that do no wrong are effected. If your so strong as saying that you believe in GOD, the USA, and the FLAG. Well maybe you need to rethink what all that means. My thought about the USA and the FLAG is freedom of not being stopped for not doing anything wrong. As far as God, that is between you and him. If I were god I would kick you out, and I sure the devil would love you. You sir are the IDIOT.
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Male 773
yeah i dunno, he was right to start with, refusing to do something he was allowed to refuse, but then he started getting greedy
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Male 274
He stated that
it was store policy. I then told him that all I have is my passport which is accepted as identification in every country in the world, But your store will not accept it. The manager then proceeded to tell me that the check number was to low, it had to be above 500. I thought to myself, well my fault for using my debit card most of the time. (I know some are thinking, why didn`t you just use your debit
card . Simple answer I had pulled it out of my wallet the night before to make an online purchase and had forgot to put it back.)
I then asked the manager for a copy of this policy. With he came back saying that is was private only for employees of the business.
After about 10 minutes I started to get bored, so I asked for my check back, tore it up and walked out of the store. I simply went to a store that gladly took my check with me showing them my passport. For those who are wondering the check was for $5.34.
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Male 756
Part 1 - He was right, the policeman was wrong, his family was the true victim, and he didn`t care as long as he proved his point. He was an idiot.

Part 2 - He was right, the policeman was wrong, his family was the true victim, and it took a wake-up call at 2:00AM from a family member to get him to come to his OWN senses.

He is still an idiot.

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Male 274
I have to say that businesses and the police are fixated with a drivers
license. I personally do not have a drivers license, but I do have a passport. A passport should be enough to tell the person looking at it , that I am a US citizen freely able to go around the world. (With the proper VISA) It doesn`t seem to help having the type of Identification
when I want to wright a simple check at a major grocery store. After filling out the check and handing it over to the teller, I was asked for my drivers license. I told the teller that I can do better and handed her my passport. (Opened to the page that has all my information on it) After a
second or two of the teller looking at the information, I point out were the ID number is on the passport. The teller is still having problems
with this universal type of identification. So she calls over the manager. Who proceeds to tell me that I will have to furnish a drivers license in order for them to accept my check. He stated t
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Male 1,455
Glassjawdave, what would you say if your company started to deduct half of your salary as a `generous donation`? You don`t need to `stand up` for your rights. You`d need to just stop whining about `the man` and deal with it.

It`s not the fact that he actively hates having his bags checked. It`s that it`s ILLEGAL for them to require you to show your bag. If you let them commit ILLEGAL acts now, it will only get worse, to the point where companies can do anything they want to the people.

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Female 706
It was on some levels foolish of this man to fight so hard for a rather simple matter, but he was right. There is no law that he violated.
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Male 18
I wonder how many people who called this guy an idiot and a con man will come out in support of his actions now that he`s won his case. (Makes me glad that I`m on record as calling him a patriot in part one.)
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Male 550
I agree that a man should stand up to his own right, but personally I would have just shown the receipt and get it over with. I dislike getting into any sort of trouble, even if I`m not doing anything wrong.
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Male 92
If you ask me, this guy walks around looking for an excuse to "stand up" for his rights. Showing a receipt? WHO THE HECK CARES! Get the sand out of your vagina and stop whining about "the man."
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Male 411
I agree with dynaprye, our rights are being trampled on as we speak. The Emmy`s being censored when the the nominee wins, their acceptance speech get`s censored. Not to mention the incident at the the "Don`t tase me bro!" guy. I mean why did he get arrested? He only asked a few questions. If anything, they should for now on post warning signs saying "If you ask controversial questions, you will get arrested and tased.
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Male 114
we SHOULD care, thisidrocks, because being denied your rights in America is unconstitutional, something I wouldn`t expect you to know anything about. in his post telling about the situation he tells exactly why he does this, and it`s a perfectly good enough reason why you should care as well. to blindly sumbit to a police officer`s orders although it`s unlawful brings a the mindset of fearing authority when it shouldn`t be done. please think before posting.
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Male 162
i mean. yeah. but why would we really care how some guy got out of a situation like this?
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Male 36
smart man
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Male 10,115
Link: Update on Papers Please (Circuit City Guy) [Rate Link] - The guy who refused to show his receipt at Circuit City cuts a deal and gets charges dropped.
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